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Luda-Chris
2002-01-14, 06:47 AM
Pretty Self Explanitory. Both were their Leaders Right Hand Men/Robots, so who do u think is the Better Decepticon ?
Personally I think Cyclonus is, He was a much more developed character with more honourable traits.

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Blaster_86
2002-01-14, 08:05 AM
CYCLONUS MORE DEVELOPED?????? Your joking right? Starscream by far.

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RID Scourge
2002-01-14, 08:13 AM
Starscream was much better because he was sneaky, and seditious. There is no room for loyalty in trying to become the top Decepticon. If he were stronger, he would have been Decepticon leader, and made the Autobots into dust. he should have tried to posess Galvatron's body, rebuilt his old body with a few upgrades, and then disposed of Galvatron's body in some way that would have eliminated Galvatron.

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Decepticon Soundwave
2002-01-14, 08:40 AM
I'd bet my money on Starscream. Like PaladinPrime said, Starscream was much more sneaky and seditious. Personally i don't think there are many bots that could take on Starscream. And Cyclonous is not one of them.

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Luda-Chris
2002-01-14, 10:56 AM
I should point out ive never read the comic.
Starscream in the cartoon was always annoying to me, and he always failed at getting rid of Megatron who I found twice as annoying. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm............. This si Probably why I like Season 3 so much

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Auntie Slag
2002-01-14, 11:03 AM
Would this be a normal Cyclonus vs. Starscream?

Or would it be Cyclonus when he had additional strength via Unicron? Galvatron Cyclonus and Scourge seemed a bit tougher when they had the unlimited strength of Unicron to draw from. "I was forged in the fires of a God", Cyclonus once said as he was trashing Hound.

After the movie, he reverted to your average Decepticon it would seem.

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Quickswitch6
2002-01-14, 07:55 PM
Starscream. No question

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Quick Switch
2002-01-14, 09:11 PM
Starscream.

The Pride of the Cybertronian War Academy vs... 'The Warrior'. That's it.

Starscream had a very long history of both scientific and military training.

Cyclonus has the (possible) memories of Skywarp and Bombshell. What comes with that, one supposes, are either one's meager fighting ability.

Of course, the knowledge of Unicron might help, but that again might not. After all, what does a planet eater know about warfare?

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ThunderCracker84
2002-01-14, 09:13 PM
Undoubtedly Starscream

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Redstreak
2002-01-14, 11:34 PM
Starscream.

He is quite simply, the man.

I'll say it again; Starscream all the way.

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Wheeljack X
2002-01-14, 11:37 PM
Id say Cyclonus, he seemed like a major badass

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Shrapnel Clone
2002-01-15, 12:12 AM
Cyclonus. Screamer would scream, whine and run away....

Blitzwing
2002-01-15, 12:26 AM
I think Starscream was the better Decepticon because he embodied so much of what the Decepticons were about. Treachery, Decite, Cunning and Malice were all evident in Starscream's Character. Cyclonus, on the other hand, only seemed to be intrested in helping the Decepticons because Galvatron was leader of them.

As far as a fight would go, I think a lot of people underestimate Cyclonus' fighting capabilities. The guy is an interstellar jet to start out with. Starscream is just an F-15. Cyclonus was able to shoot down an entire Autobot shuttle on his own. Starscream probably wouldn't be able to put a whole in the thing. The only way Starscream would be able to beat Cyclonus in a fight is if he fought dirty, and even then Cyclonus would probably be to smart to let Starscream get away with any of his cheap tricks.

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Computron
2002-01-15, 12:41 AM
u lot have got to be kidding me, Cyclonus, the greatest Decepticon around vs Starscream, a former scientist and worlds greatest moaner. I mean just about any of the Autobot cars (Jazz, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker etc..) could best Starscream and often did whereas Cyclonus was matched only be the likes of Magnus

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Auntie Slag
2002-01-15, 01:02 AM
The only people I recall Cyclonus fighting were Hound, Magnus and Death's Head.

One out of three ain't bad, but it ain't too good either.

That said, a pure one on one battle with these two would be a sight to behold. Or, how about a three way with Soundwave? even better http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif

Blaster_86
2002-01-15, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Computron:
(Jazz, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker


Those three could beat alot of people http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/wink.gif.

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Auntie Slag
2002-01-15, 01:11 AM
They could take N*Sync http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/wink.gif

Blaster_86
2002-01-15, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Windcharger:
They could take N*Sync http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/wink.gif

Them too. Jazz would just play their music back to them and kill them.

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cosmotron
2002-01-15, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by Windcharger:
The only people I recall Cyclonus fighting were Hound, Magnus and Death's Head.

One out of three ain't bad, but it ain't too good either.

That said, a pure one on one battle with these two would be a sight to behold. Or, how about a three way with Soundwave? even better http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif

well thats in the comic. i still think cyclonus would be tough enough to handle ss
and cartoon cyclonus would easily waste him.

in the cartoon, cyclonus was second to galvatron


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Auntie Slag
2002-01-15, 09:32 AM
In the cartoon, would you say that Starscream is second to Megatron? or would it still be Soundwave, like in the comics?

Soundwave didn't have the same amount of presence in the cartoons as he did in the comics, decepticon rank-wise. Then again, its been ages since I've seen the cartoons (6 or 7 years now), and my memories have faded a lot.

Sixswitch
2002-01-15, 12:46 PM
Nope, Starscream was certainly second to Megatron in the cartoon. It's a hard pic, I'd go for Starscream though, on account of him having guns sticking out of his arms.

Incidentally, are those bombs that he uses in Fire on the Mountain mentioned anywhere else? You know, the ones that come out of his chest plating at the start.

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Auntie Slag
2002-01-15, 02:22 PM
I didn't know about that,

Anyway, I'd be a bit inclined to go for Starscream in this bout. He is a very accomplished tactician and fighter, quick witted too, according to his specs.

How did your exam go by the way Sixswitch? Got the rest of the day off now?

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Sixswitch
2002-01-15, 02:26 PM
Yup indeed. My next one's on Thursday now, and then (the sadists among you would laugh), I have an exam on Saturday(!!), and not only that, but at 9AM(!!!!).

The Examination Board at Cardiff Uni are truly the spawn of Satan. It means I have to get up at 7AM(!!!!!) to walk the 1.5 miles from Talybont to the Computer Science department. Bastids. All of 'em.

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OmegaDenmad
2002-01-16, 01:51 AM
Cyclonus seems more focused... and since he is an upgraded seeker/insecticon (you know what I mean...), he would probably have the advantage in everything.

That, and I hate Starscream. http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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cosmotron
2002-01-16, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by Windcharger:
In the cartoon, would you say that Starscream is second to Megatron? or would it still be Soundwave, like in the comics?

Soundwave didn't have the same amount of presence in the cartoons as he did in the comics, decepticon rank-wise. Then again, its been ages since I've seen the cartoons (6 or 7 years now), and my memories have faded a lot.

at times, ss was, but in the cartoon, ss was never a match for the better autbot fighters.
he def was not in the megatron/optimus powerhouse league.
cyclonus was



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Starscreamer
2002-01-17, 06:04 AM
yea your right starscream was a total weakling lol i mean he only bested the entire con army off camera to become leader. only megs/galvy is more powerful. even the mighty shockwave bowed down to screamer in the toon. lest we forget that screamer is immortal. cyclonus doesnt stand a chance

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Blaster_86
2002-01-17, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by Starscreamer:
he only bested the entire con army off camera to become leader.



He waited for the fight to end and claimed it because he was the only onefully functional left standing. He hid in the corner while the fight happened.

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Quarnzimus Prime
2002-01-17, 06:39 AM
its a tough question. I think that Cyclonus would destroy Starscream 6 times ova....if he could actually hit Starscream. SS's speed is unmatched by any other jet (in the cartoon anyway) and even though he is only an f-15, he can still (somehow) travel into space. Personality wise, Starscream stayed the same through everything, Cyclonus changed his voice and personality about 3 times in 2 seasons. Frist his voice was deep, and he sounded more like Prime with the words he said (or was givin). as an example in 'Starscreams Ghoast' he said the line 'What madness has pessesed Scourge?' and in the Rebirth he said 'So long suckers!' almost like a mafia boss! But maybe thats just me being picky. And starscream has a Nullray, if he hit Cyclonus with it, he'd be a sitting duck...for about 3 min!! by the way what the hell is an 'oxadating laser'?

Auntie Slag
2002-01-17, 09:29 AM
"and even though he is only an f-15, he can still (somehow) travel into space."

This is a good point Quarnzimus Prime, though I think a good answer is that he only resembles an f-15, and there the similarity ends. For example, early on in the UK comics, he takes on a human airbase full of f-15's, and he easily outguns and outmanouvers the lot of 'em. He's got far more power & manouverability than a standard f-15. And, seeing as TF's don't require oxygen, and, guessing he's got super strong heat shielding and such, maybe it wouldn't have been such hassle for him to fly into space (though I suspect this could just be a colossal oversight on behalf of the animators) http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif

I lament the fact that Starscream, as time went on, became nothing more than a 'missile with a mouth' as Soundwave put it. He was in fact sneaky, cunning, very intelligent and a master tactician/strategist. None of these things was he seen to exhibit. Did they think that we, as kids would not have been able to understand such concepts?
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Sixswitch
2002-01-17, 09:44 AM
Keep in mind that Screamer used to be a pyramid ship Cybertronian fighter ship. So who knows what weird aline skills he may have (as it goes, Every transformer can survive in space).

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2002-01-17, 09:58 AM
Ah good, that's one bit of the puzzle solved then http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif

So they can survive in space, but do you think they could survive the intense forces and heat of leaving/entering the earths atmosphere? or any planets atmosphere for that matter?

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Luda-Chris
2002-01-17, 11:48 AM
Screamer isnt immortal
Screamer is dead, thats how u become a ghost
Remember the most satisfying part of the movie,When Galvy incinnirates Screamer ,hes dead.
Screamer may be a Strategist/Scienttist, but wear talkin one on one,so that dosent have much account, Cyclonus was the better transfomer, Just not as liked as much by the fans

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BlueBlaster
2002-01-17, 04:26 PM
Starscream!
Starscream would cheat at any rate,so he would win with his sneaky tricks.

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Sixswitch
2002-01-17, 04:37 PM
Well, I would assume so Windcharger. The Transformers are pretty tough after all, and in Countdown to Extinction, he makes at least one trip from Cybertron to Earth.

Edit: Starscream's spark is immortal, and since it's possible to build new bodies for Transformers, then in essence, he's immortal.

And I will always say Starscream's better, although I do like Cyclonus's transformation. That jet looks awesome.

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Blaster_86
2002-01-17, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Luda-Chris:
Screamer isnt immortal
Spark was immortal


have much account, Cyclonus was the better
Transformer

No he wasn't.


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Sixswitch
2002-01-17, 05:43 PM
I'm sure I just said that... (or typed it, rather)

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Auntie Slag
2002-01-17, 06:56 PM
Um,

I was just checking out the comics again, and I came across two interesting bits;

Cyclonus beats Megatron to the floor in issue 80, and beats Starscream up to get information in issue 85.

However, I hasten to add that this was during the time that Unicron was still alive. Though Galvatron, Cyclonus & Scourge had time-jumped back to 1986 and believed themselves to be out of Unicrons reach and influence. I don't know if this was the case, and whether they were still drawing a significant amount of their power from Unicron at that point, as Unicron certainly knew where they were and what they were up to, as he sent Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr back in time to stop them.

Once Unicron was out of the picture, was Cyclonus still playing the tough guy to the same degree?
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Starscreamsghost
2002-01-17, 07:38 PM
Starscream's one of my favorites, but...

CARTOON: Starscream takes it. Cyclonus was powerful, to be sure, but had they both existed pre-movie, Starscream would have been held in higher rank by the Decepticons. Cyclonus was more similar to Soundwave, loyal and rarely bested in battle but not demonstrated to be all that great in battle, either. Starscream would have used his dirty tactics and won.

COMIC: Even if he weren't able to pull on the power of Unicron, Cyclonus is still superior to Starscream, assuming Screamer isn't using some type of foreign power (Underbase, Matrix, Taco Bell, what have you).

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RID Scourge
2002-01-17, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Luda-Chris:
Screamer isnt immortal
Screamer is dead, thats how u become a ghost
Remember the most satisfying part of the movie,When Galvy incinnirates Screamer ,hes dead.
Screamer may be a Strategist/Scienttist, but wear talkin one on one,so that dosent have much account, Cyclonus was the better transfomer, Just not as liked as much by the fans



Starscream has a new body built for him. Which brings up an interesting point.

How did he go back to the Beast Wars? Since he was too busy harassing Galvatron in the post movie, I figure that he did it while he was busted on the Ark for that 4 million year period. That's assuming that he had the Starscream's Ghost powers back then.

I just got a funny picture in my head of Starscream posessing Cyclonus, and making him hit himself, all the while saying "quit hittin' yourself." http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Djar][aCho
2002-01-20, 06:44 AM
cyclonus, please,
one forged of the essence of the chaos bringer, or an f-16 with obvious feminine qualities . okay sure cyclonus was a cross dresser, but gosh darnit, marilyn manson and alice cooper prooved that that can be cool :-)
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The Green Knight
2002-01-27, 10:36 AM
I figured I probably should comment on this, despite how silly it is.

"I long for the day when we will be able to attack honorably." - Cyclonus, "Starscream's Ghost"

Mr. Honor is going up against the most cunning and underhanded Decepticon who ever lived. He doesn't stand a chance. Being a Decepticon and having honor don't mix. It's a bad enough liability to have just when fighting the Autobots, who also have honor (except for the Dinobots.) But to go up against Starscream? Man, that's like wrapping yourself in gasoline-soaked rags and fighting the Human Torch.

Computron
2002-01-27, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by PaladinPrime

How did he go back to the Beast Wars? Since he was too busy harassing Galvatron in the post movie, I figure that he did it while he was busted on the Ark for that 4 million year period. That's assuming that he had the Starscream's Ghost powers back then.


Basically when screamer got blasted by galvatron he went back to the beast wars. Then at the end he is seen floating through space to eventually get to the story "starscreams ghost"

And I cannot seriously believe how much you are not gving cyclonus credit. Cyclonus was in th eMagnus, Rodimus (and thus Prime) league of battlers. He was the most powerfull of the Decepticons on Charr (bar Galvatron) and even if u goto the comics he could draw his power from Unicron through times and various Dimensions. As such just like Galvatron he was constantly being powered.

Sure Screamer got to the top of the ladder but Motormaster could of beaten him for peats sake, screamer got so high by stabbing people in the back. Cyclonis got so high cause he was one kickass warrior

The Green Knight
2002-01-27, 02:00 PM
What are you talking about? Cyclonus was created in the movie and put in his place as Galvatron's right hand man almost immediately thereafter. He never fought anyone to get where he was.

And as for maintaining his position of power, well, look at the alternatives to him: Scourge was a coward, the Sweeps were cowards AND idiots, and Soundwave wasn't as good at sucking up like Cyclonus was (plus I don't think Galvatron held Soundwave in the high regards that Megatron did. I'd agree with the theory that Soundwave stood idly by and let him get dumped into space, and that Megatron never forgave him for that, and he still holds onto that sentiment as Galvatron.)

If you think about it, who would want to challange Cyclonus' for his rank anyway? If someone took his place, they'd have to be around Galvatron all the time, deal with his lunacy, and withstand all the abuse he dishes out.