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dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron
2001-12-03, 10:57 PM
I just watched the Agenda part 3 and right before when Megatron blew off Optimus Prime's head he said, "Unwilling though I was to follow my namesakes' instructions, it has all come down to this. The ultimate risk for the ultimate prize. A day of recogning for those who made us slaves." I don't know if this has been discussed but I thought that was Megatron's intention of coming to earth in the first place. If that was what he was unwilling to do, then what was his original agenda, and why did he finally decide to take out Optimus Prime when he could have done it a long time before that. (He had the disk and the location of the arc way before Black Arachnia made a copy for herself and destroyed the disk.) Gimmie your thoughts.

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Halfshell
2001-12-03, 11:04 PM
The disk contained a message explaining a plan to change history by destroying the Autobots.

BW Megs intended to follow that plan, but kept it secret by going on the pretext of an Energon hunt. Whether all the crew knew the original plan is unclear (evidence can be provided that Dinobot and Tarry knew).

The reasons he didn't destroy Prime are varied, it was always the last resort.

Moving immediately would have alerted the Maximals to his plan. Far better to move cunningly and attempt to alter the past in a different way. Yeeeess.

Trashing the Ark always carried the risk of destroying the Decepticons as well (cf Tarantulus' plan).

That do?

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Computron
2001-12-03, 11:06 PM
Initially he came to Earth in search of a great Energy suply in which to rebuild the predacon empire and take back Cybertron. The Planet they were looking for was Earth as the disk gave its location and told of loads of energon. Megatron didn't want to do it at first as he aint stupid and knew it would mess up the time line if he did

However by Agenda pt 3 all wa salmost lost, his troops defeated he had but one last option, to follow g1 megatrons plan and destroy Optimus in the hope without him the Autobots would lose and the Predacons would end up ruling Cybertron

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Osku
2001-12-04, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Brendocon:
The disk contained a message explaining a plan to change history by destroying the Autobots.

BW Megs intended to follow that plan, but kept it secret by going on the pretext of an Energon hunt
Was it his intention in the first place to go back in time? To earth yes, but into the past? Where was it said?

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Computron
2001-12-05, 11:41 PM
hey Brend, I think we need this answered, did meg initially plan to change time or was it only when his initial plan of getting energon to reclaim cybertron for the predacons had failed

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sprites touch
2001-12-05, 11:53 PM
I'm not sure as to the preds knowing their history that well, and having it all planed that well.
I guess megs knew that the disc was valuable but didn't know exactly what was on it, and going back through time was unintentional, or he would have made sure now one folows.

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dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron
2001-12-08, 01:14 AM
Trashing the Ark always carried the risk of destroying the Decepticons as well (cf Tarantulus' plan).

That leads to another question of mine. Why the hell did Tarantulus try to destroy the ark with Decepticons and Autobots inside? If his ancestors were neither of them then with whom can we trace back his lineage to? What do you guys think? Personally I believe that maybe his ancestors were the Quintisons.

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sprites touch
2001-12-08, 07:49 PM
Just beacuse he has few extra apendages in beast mode, doesn't make him a quint.
He doesn't have to be from a difrent faction, he could well come from the desepticons, just not those crushing with Megtron 4 Milion years in the past. That would mean it's no risk for him destroying the ark.

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dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron
2001-12-08, 10:14 PM
he could well come from the desepticons, just not those crushing with Megtron 4 Milion years in the past

If this is true and he is from Decepticon lineage, then why risk blowing up the ark carrying the Decepticons?! What will that gain him? An insurance that his ancestors are doomed? Doesn't make sense man. Now to my theory: we know the Quints built Autobots and Decepticons and they always tried to retake Cybertron. What if Tarantulus was a Quint decendant and was sent to destroy the ark? What would that do? Well for one Megatron, Optimus and the rest of them would be dead, leaving not too many great warriors to defend Cybertron from the Quints, giving them the upper hand. Second, it just sounds better that he came from the Quints instead of Decepticons. =)
What do you guys think, eh?

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Computron
2001-12-09, 03:10 AM
going back to Tarrantulas's origin:

In one episode Megatron referred to him as a spawn of Unicron. Now this may just mean an insult but it is plausable that Tarrantulas has originated from one of Unicrons sub races (its unlikely galvatron and co were the only ones he ever created).

The other theory (and the one I follow) is that heis origins lie with the G2 Decepticons led by the Liege Maximo. The G2 Cons left Cybertron shortly after Megatron and started conquering other parts of the galaxy in secret from the rest of the cybertrons. They were eventually defeated in the comics by the combined power of the Autobots and Decepticons (and ultimatly the matrix). If Optimus and Co were destroyed prior to this it is very likely the G2 Cons would have taken over Cybertron and their descendants would now be the dominant race.

Another pointer is that Tarrantulas seems to know a lot about the vok and it is clear that no Cybertronian (tf from cybertron) knows about them. For this to be the case his anscesters would either have explored and conquered vast ammounts of space (the G2 cons) or be from a demi-god like Unicron who would know other omnipotent powers like the vok

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Osku
2001-12-09, 08:41 AM
If you follow the the cartoon continuity it could be thougth he was descendant of the cybertron´s decepticons. If Prime & co hadn´t returned cybertron would have been ruled by Shockwave´s iron fist http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Seriously Computron´s choice of theory seems to be the most logical. Or maybe it´s just because I´m a comic follower...

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Pun-3X
2001-12-09, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron:
If this is true and he is from Decepticon lineage, then why risk blowing up the ark carrying the Decepticons?! What will that gain him? An insurance that his ancestors are doomed? Doesn't make sense man.

It does if you know your Con history. Without those on the Autobot shuttle, in either Cartoon OR comic continuity, The Decepticons had control of Cybertron. So why wake up an entire ship who's outcome could reverse that situation? This is if Tarry were from a Decepticon origin on Cybertron before the Ark crashed.

But I really go with the Liege Maximo theory. (as stated by comps)

I DO NOT go with the "Unicron Spawn" comment being true. Please, it was as off-handed as "Welcome to the Darkside," which--before you start arguing that point--was DENOUNCED by the writers at one of the Botcons as the name of the Pred ship.

Besides, the G2 'Con Spawn idea is much more creative. http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/wink.gif

CounterPunch
2002-01-04, 10:07 PM
Ne1 wanna know my theory -

Here we go - Tarantulus is a direct descendant of Unicron, when he found out that the predacons were on earth in the past he thought he could change the future by destroying the ark.

The Reason

If he was able to destroy the ark the matrix of leadership would be destroyed and no one would be able to stand against unicron when he attacks cybertron and destroys it. Thus making Unicron the greatest creation ever and obviously the same to all his descendants.

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CounterPunch
2002-01-04, 10:12 PM
Possession

For anyone who has seen the BW episode possession in which starscreams spark possesses waspinator I have a question.

Starscream obviosly knew he was on earth because he would have recognized the geography, why on earth didnt he find the ark (in "ghost" form)possess himself of that time kill Megatron while he was still deactivated leave his own body while its still deactivated, leaving the original Starscream of that time to lead the Decepticons.



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StoneCold Skywarp
2002-01-04, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by CounterPunch:
Starscream obviosly knew he was on earth because he would have recognized the geography, why on earth didnt he find the ark (in "ghost" form)possess himself of that time kill Megatron while he was still deactivated leave his own body while its still deactivated, leaving the original Starscream of that time to lead the Decepticons.


Cos that would've made for an awful story http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/wink.gif

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2002-01-04, 11:21 PM
yup, it would have been a great tactical move, and thus way beyond the limited intelligence of Starscream j/k http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif


Weren't the G2 Decepticons destroyed by the Swarm before there were any Predacons/Maximals? And wouldn't this make that theory impossible?

sprites touch
2002-01-05, 03:53 AM
I was wondering, why did even Megatron got the crew men that he did, I mean for the maxies, rattrap is a demolition explosive expert, rhinox a tech guy, cheetor could be a "student" or tranie, so they do form a good expedition. Megs guys seem incompetant, so why are they even there?

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dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron
2002-01-09, 06:58 PM
Not all of Megs' group were stupid. I mean he originally had dinobot, who's a skilled warrior. He had Scorpinok, who was very loyal and followed orders. He had Tarantulus who was the smarter one. Terrorsaur who was cunning, but devious and who followed his own agenda. The only incompetent one was Waspinator, but even he was loyal to Megs. Megs really didn't have that bad of a crew if you ask me.

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Computron
2002-01-09, 07:34 PM
Megatrons crew wern't actually that bad considering what he did wasn't sanctioned by the Predacons so they all were breakaways

Dinobot was a superb warrior, perhaps even the greatest Predacon warrior who wanted to see the Predacons back on top

Scorponok was loyal and was a great fighter (in hand to hand as well as his missiles)

Tarrantulas was the brains

Waspinator was loyal to Megatron and was basically cannon fodder and as for Terrorsaur, well one will always try to unsurp (its the predacon/ decepticon way) you so Megatron made sure the one who would try it was incompetent so wouldn't pose a threat

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dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron
2002-01-09, 10:03 PM
Glad that you agree with me Computron! http://tfarchive2.com/ubb/smile.gif

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sprites touch
2002-01-10, 08:06 AM
I suppose that puts my mind at ease over the incometancy of his cruw, though I still wonder , with Megs charisma, who would he've picked other than these guys, say anyother pred from the toy line pre TM?

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