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deej
2004-05-10, 12:24 PM
From this article (http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=2603):

Been wondering who Energon Mirage is/where he comes from?

well, according to the above article, he's none other than....


Tidal Wave reformatted!

Sucks to be him eh? to go from an uber-huge battleship, to a small-ish gunship...





Also a mention in the article for those who read the EN comic, that we won't be seeing Scorpy & Megs go head to head till issue #30 or so....

(W)underBoy
2004-05-10, 01:29 PM
So its true

Demolisher became a dumptruck
Tidalwave becomes a boat (Baywatch repaint please, with an inflateble pamela).
Cyclonus becomes snowcat

Like the ideas, but i find it a bit out of character. in nearly every show the decepticons/destron/predacons had agressive alternate modes (millitary vehicles, tanks, insekts, monsters). Now they have more autobot like alternate modes, apart from tidal wave that is.

The Wild One
2004-05-10, 03:04 PM
Tidal Wave I can see. Overly damaged by raw energon, his stats did show he bacame weak. Reformating was just a matter of time. Now making him smaller is what sucks.

dedicon
2004-05-10, 06:32 PM
so,unicron(or at least,the energon within him) gave cyclonus, the crazy chopper,a good guys alt mode(gi joe were the good guys in the show with the same name),pink visors and a couple of skis.
then he took the militery assult vehicle demolishor,made him a dump truck and gave him a sharticon face.
and last but not least,he takes a huge warship, turns it to a gunboat that can bearly fit 2 terrorcons and gives him a shorter name to boot..so his dialog in the cartoon will be cut to half....


man,unicron is evil...

RED EVIL
2004-05-10, 09:22 PM
dumb ideas...... wouldn't have been better if some of these characters were add ons to the Decepticon army? or at least everyone could have been reformatted at the same time.......


I like the look of Mirage i think he is cool just i hate the idea of him being tidal wave reformatted when tidal wave was cool b4 and now he will be less than he was.

The Wild One
2004-05-11, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by RED EVIL
dumb ideas...... wouldn't have been better if some of these characters were add ons to the Decepticon army? or at least everyone could have been reformatted at the same time.......


I like the look of Mirage i think he is cool just i hate the idea of him being tidal wave reformatted when tidal wave was cool b4 and now he will be less than he was.

On tida wave, it was inevitable because was rendered weak from energon damage. (At least according to the profile.)

dedicon
2004-05-11, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by The Wild One
On tida wave, it was inevitable because was rendered weak from energon damage. (At least according to the profile.)

from hasbro profiles:
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/PAGE.bios/CARD.TIDAL%20WAVE/dn/default.cfm


'His continued exposure to raw energon caused excessive damage to various parts of his body. These damaged parts were eventually replaced with pure energon, boosting TIDAL WAVE'S strength and making him nearly invincible"

it sounds like he is stronger,not weaker.
face it:unicron is just evil

The Wild One
2004-05-11, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by dedicon
from hasbro profiles:
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/PAGE.bios/CARD.TIDAL%20WAVE/dn/default.cfm


'His continued exposure to raw energon caused excessive damage to various parts of his body. These damaged parts were eventually replaced with pure energon, boosting TIDAL WAVE'S strength and making him nearly invincible"

it sounds like he is stronger,not weaker.
face it:unicron is just evil

His stats show he is weak though. Leave to hasbro to screw it up.

the_escaflowne_2k
2004-05-11, 05:11 PM
assuming the stats are right for Mirage on the hasbro website than it can be seen that whilst being shrunk in size mirages stats beat those of Tidal Waves on 5 occasions, one stat is the same and 2 stats are lower after the transition. It could just be like the transition from Atomic Bombs to Nuclear Bombs, a significant increase in power but (because of advances in technology) a decrease in size .

Transfannabeel
2004-05-12, 01:55 AM
http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21992

I deserve some props.:p

The Wild One
2004-05-12, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Transfannabeel
http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21992

I deserve some props.:p

The Wild One dishes out some props. THE RUBBER CHICKEN:D :p

deej
2004-05-12, 03:16 AM
nice call :P

just curious to see what triggers it happening... perhaps some "grimlock's new brain" esque shennanigans result in it happening? :P

Reflector
2004-05-12, 05:54 AM
Bah. Why can't we just have new original characters? It's not like Tidal Wave's so popular that the character crossover will make Mirage sell any better. Same complaint goes for Hoist, Snow Cat, and Thundercracker (sort of). What's next - Scavenger becomes Landime, Blurr becomes Prowl, and Red Alert becomes Ironhide?

Bah.

EDIT: I've heard Omega Supreme is actually a reformatted Unicron, too. Seriously.

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Windrazor
2004-05-12, 06:10 AM
Well.. I can sort of half way see how that happens.. at least demolisher turning into the dump truck.. and cyclonus turning into snowcat stayed in the deluxe size... This Mirage toy.. does anybody know what size it will be? If its to remain similar in size to Tidal Wave I believe it would have to be an Ultra size... If it comes in a Ultra sized box.. then I'll be at least half way happy.. As long as its not all screwed up like Hasbro did in Beast machines.. i mean.. Gawd... what on earth were they thinking???? They made Silverbolt a fricken small basic figure.. and Nightscream a Ultra figure???? what the h3ll???? I was hoping they were going to come out with Nightscream being a deluxe figure, and Silverbolt a Ultra figure.. With Energon.. I'm still pleased with the majority of the items.. even the changes.. their not all that bad.. I did see a Demolisher finally in stores.. I probably should have picked him up, cuz I just saw the one there.. I hope its not a rare item....

dedicon
2004-05-12, 07:48 AM
mirage is mega size(like ironhide/jetfire/shockblast/cliffjumper)

Windrazor
2004-05-12, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by dedicon
mirage is mega size(like ironhide/jetfire/shockblast/cliffjumper)

Is that known as factual? Or mere speculation?

Rookwise
2004-05-12, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
This Mirage toy.. does anybody know what size it will be? If its to remain similar in size to Tidal Wave I believe it would have to be an Ultra size

My Mirage figure arrived a week ago (bagged it for 10) and he is the height of the armada seekers (skywarp etc) in robot mode but a lot slimmer/sleeker.

He takes AAA size batteries which are not included and activates a sound when the buton which raises the front torpedo's up is pressed.

Colour scheme is ok. Nice face sculpt. Be careful of the legs though when transforming him to robot as they come off very easily by the knee joint.

The front part of the boat sticks out behind him in robot mode similar to Scorponok's tail section does thus meaning he takes up some space.

Would rate him about 7/8 overall



Have just bagged Landmine also (15).

The Wild One
2004-05-12, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by deej
nice call :P

just curious to see what triggers it happening... perhaps some "grimlock's new brain" esque shennanigans result in it happening? :P



:D A smart tidal wave. That could be cool; if done right. Lots of power and brains, can be scary.

Windrazor
2004-05-12, 06:22 PM
I just seen a few of these up for auction on eBay.... Kinda cool lookin.. oh well.. so he lost a lil weight.. still looks like a keeper...

Thundercracker1
2004-05-13, 02:11 AM
I JUST got mine from the local Wal-mart. I actually like it a lot. The transformation is a little odd at fist, but by no means hard. Totally worth the price.

Dead Man Wade
2004-05-13, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Windrazor
what on earth were they thinking???? They made Silverbolt a fricken small basic figure.. and Nightscream a Ultra figure???? what the h3ll???? I was hoping they were going to come out with Nightscream being a deluxe figure, and Silverbolt a Ultra figure..

Okay. Do you really think you could handle that much red and orange?

If they made him show accurate, and didn't make his alt mode look like ass, I would've bought it.

As it stands, however, I'm glad he's as small as he is. I felt ripped off paying six dollars for it.

EDIT: Just for good measure- http://tfarchive.com/toys/beastmachines/bm_silverbolt.php

Windrazor
2004-05-13, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by fort_max
Okay. Do you really think you could handle that much red and orange?....

EDIT: Just for good measure- http://tfarchive.com/toys/beastmachines/bm_silverbolt.php

Umm... yeah.. but then again.. I liked the whole wolf/eagle thing.. of course.. the Beast Machines figures sucked.. and he pretty much reverted into JUST an eagle form.. but I still got a soft spot for the guy.. maybe its the whole.... knightly tone of him.. ;)

Dragon Warrior Steve
2004-05-17, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Reflector
Bah. Why can't we just have new original characters? It's not like Tidal Wave's so popular that the character crossover will make Mirage sell any better. Same complaint goes for Hoist, Snow Cat, and Thundercracker (sort of). What's next - Scavenger becomes Landime, Blurr becomes Prowl, and Red Alert becomes Ironhide?

Bah.

EDIT: I've heard Omega Supreme is actually a reformatted Unicron, too. Seriously.

...

That's my opinion as well. I hate this.

deej
2004-05-17, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Reflector
EDIT: I've heard Omega Supreme is actually a reformatted Unicron, too. Seriously.

...


please tell me you're kidding... I know it's not april 1, but you could still be having a lend?

Reflector
2004-05-17, 03:03 AM
Yes. I'm kidding.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised. "They're both big!" seems as strong a logical case for two toys being the same character as "They're both boats!". But anyhow.

deej
2004-05-17, 06:16 AM
At least we know Shockblast is a completely new character :)

Tempest
2004-05-17, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by fort_max


EDIT: Just for good measure- http://tfarchive.com/toys/beastmachines/bm_silverbolt.php

IT BURNS ... MY EYES ... ARGHHH!!!

Damn ... if it coul,d that thing should fly into the damn sun.

Windrazor
2004-05-18, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Tempest
IT BURNS ... MY EYES ... ARGHHH!!!

Damn ... if it coul,d that thing should fly into the damn sun.

Yeah yeah yeah... I know.. its pretty damn ugly.. Thats why I was hoping they'd make a bigger and better Silverbolt. Soft of as they did with Optimus Primal. His deluxe version looked like crap, but his mega and super figures looked pretty good.

Deluxe BM Optimus Primal (http://tfarchive.com/toys/beastmachines/bm_optimusprimal.php)

Mega sized Blast Punch Optimus Primal (http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BlastPunchOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm)

Air Attack Optimus Primal (http://www.tfu.info/2002/Maximal/SupremeOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm)

I'm not sure what everybody else thought about the variations of the 3, but I hated the deluxe figure... thought the mega one was ok, but liked the Air Attack Primal much much better. I wish they made at least 1 bigger sized show accurate Silverbolt. Perhaps, a Mega or Ultra sized figure.