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Nevermore
2004-05-26, 04:17 PM
EDIT: Original source of the pic without watermark
http://groups.msn.com/rlhmnqs8dd8puj7pei4uc8vrg4/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=88079&LastModified=4675473828619975824

He's white. Yay. teh r0XX0r.

EDIT!
1) Meister now up at HLJ:
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK12482

The red version looks like early concept designs.

2) Remolded Smokescreen as well:
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK12483

And yes, the grey parts are proto parts.

EDIT 3: Okay. This is insane.

From Digital Toys (http://www.digital-toys.com/transformers.html):
Hello all,

Yesterday in our newsletter we broke the news about the upcoming BT-07 and BT-08 Binaltechs from Takara. First up is the BT-08 Mazda RX-8, we've confirmed both variants, a WHITE and a WINE RED version will be available this August/September, pictures and pre-orders are posted!! For those of you who already pre-ordered, simply send us an e-mail and let us know which one you would like. Second is the BT-07 2004 Subaru WRC featuring new color, bumper, wheel, & air tech!! Also, there will be FOUR VARIANTS!! In addition to the #7 and #8 variants on the side door, there will be LIMITED VARIANTS with #1 and #2 on the side doors!! New pics and pre-orders posted, the pics on these are probably not the final product, but these awesome releases will be LIMITED are not to be missed!! Pre-order yours today!! We've checked around and appear to be the FIRST ONLINE STORE to bring you this information!! Visit us today!!

Two color variants for Meister? Four variants for the remolded Smokescreen?!? :wall:

Denyer
2004-05-26, 04:46 PM
I like. I like very much.

Transfannabeel
2004-05-26, 04:46 PM
yeah, they probably are photoshop, but it looks good in those colors.

Shockmeister
2004-05-26, 04:52 PM
Woah...when I read Nevermore's post, the way he worded it made me think it would look crap...but that's surprisingly nice.

Rookwise
2004-05-26, 04:57 PM
looks nice

DrEvil
2004-05-26, 04:59 PM
I think its a PS but it would be cool if he were released like that.

We can only hope

Arcee
2004-05-26, 05:03 PM
White Meister would r0XX0r. :)

Adams
2004-05-26, 05:33 PM
He is beautiful in those colours...

Nevermore
2004-05-26, 06:14 PM
Here's the pic without a watermark. Just trying to check into the source...

Ubergen
2004-05-26, 06:24 PM
I wonder if he'll have the number 4 or any of his stripes?

Nevermore
2004-05-26, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Ubergen
I wonder if he'll have the number 4 or any of his stripes?

Uh, dude... which stripes? :confused:

I don't see any...

DrEvil
2004-05-26, 06:27 PM
He means on the G1 Jazz's hood/bonnet

It would be a nice touch but i doubt it

Civ
2004-05-26, 06:48 PM
It looks nice from where I'm sitting. Is it just me or does this figure have ankle articulation unlike Streak and Smokescreen? If that's the case, then it'll be a lot easier to pose him.

Nevermore
2004-05-26, 06:51 PM
The original source (http://groups.msn.com/rlhmnqs8dd8puj7pei4uc8vrg4/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=88079&LastModified=4675473828619975824) of the pic, finally...
According to Remy, it's real. :smokin:

DrEvil
2004-05-26, 06:54 PM
Well that really is just Prime. Its real...

Jazz in his true colours... now all it needs is a Scatman Crothers voicebox and we got this cat rollin.:D

Really does look almost perfect on picture... but will the toy match up :confused:

Ubergen
2004-05-26, 07:02 PM
I'll definitely be picking this one up

Sideswipe
2004-05-27, 08:23 AM
I dont think its finished, and i think that they are goiing to put bit more detail into it, but its cool.....

On a side note, i have so far only seen 2 types of alternators (or basic molds). Smokescreen (classic hood-for-cest style, used on Meister, Smokescreen, Silverstreak, and hound, and the Bonnet-on-the-back-of-the-legs, on tracks, sideswipe, and dead end)

has anyone else noticed

Nevermore
2004-05-27, 11:04 AM
Well duh, dude, there's only so many ways you can have a detailed, realistic car transform into a fully articulated robot without sacrifices in either mode...

Cliffjumper
2004-05-27, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
Well duh, dude, there's only so many ways you can have a detailed, realistic car transform into a fully articulated robot without sacrifices in either mode...

Which doesn't actually make the criticism any less valid. There's only so many ways you can make a figure turn into a jet, robot and interchageable limb while keeping the price at a budget bracket. Does this make the little Aerialbots excusable from criticism?

Nevermore
2004-05-27, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Which doesn't actually make the criticism any less valid. There's only so many ways you can make a figure turn into a jet, robot and interchageable limb while keeping the price at a budget bracket. Does this make the little Aerialbots excusable from criticism?

No, the Aerialbot molds were inferior to begin with. Smokescren/Streak isn't.

Cliffjumper
2004-05-27, 05:44 PM
That's not the point. Sideswipe made the valid observation that the moulds have followed a couple of basic configurations. You said this was inherent from needing realism and articulation. Putting aside that it isn't, it's still pretty unavoidable that they do have roughly similar transformations. For example, if I do bother getting Meister [which I doubt I will] I'm willing to wager I could transform him without instructions, just from experience with Smokescreen.

What you would seem to be saying is that if a single design is good enough, it's acceptable to not try very hard from that point on.

Nevermore
2004-05-27, 06:20 PM
For those interested:

I mailed Mazda asking whether they are planning on updating their promotional page for the RX-8 Alternator in order to reflect the name/color scheme choice. Here's the answer:

Dear Torsten,

Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you.

I'd recommend contact Hasbro directly for more information regarding the RX-8 Transformer at www.hasbro.com.

Also, out Internet team does plan on updating our website. However, they are currently working on other updates.

[snippet about taking a survey blah blah]

Regards,

Lisa Lasky
Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business

So, in total, "we can't tell you anything more, but please make sure you check in again at a later date."

Windrazor
2004-05-27, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
The original source (http://groups.msn.com/rlhmnqs8dd8puj7pei4uc8vrg4/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=88079&LastModified=4675473828619975824) of the pic, finally...
According to Remy, it's real. :smokin:

Umm.. what is the original source again? You posted the link to that MSN Group twice. Unfortunately I'm not good at reading all the japanese they have there. Was there supposed to be another link? It's actually surprising to see it to be in white instead of the assumed red color for the longest time. It doesn't look bad at all.. and make his head stand out.. .but it still seems like its unfinished, or missing something... The white looks... well.. too plain right now... The figure does look to have the same transformation as smokescreen/silverstreak though.

Nevermore
2004-05-27, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
Umm.. what is the original source again? You posted the link to that MSN Group twice.

I edited my original post which originally linked to a watermarked version of the pic.

Unfortunately I'm not good at reading all the japanese they have there. Was there supposed to be another link?

Yes. See above.

Denyer
2004-05-27, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
I'm willing to wager I could transform him without instructions, just from experience with Smokescreen. What are these instructions of which you speak?

Cliffjumper
2004-05-27, 11:23 PM
Show-off. It was actually partially because I didn't want to break the sod... and also because Ashra was going "make sure you follow the instructions", the way feeble women do. Aren't women feeble?

Windrazor
2004-05-28, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Nevermore
I edited my original post which originally linked to a watermarked version of the pic.

Uhhh.. ok.. so you are saying that the msn groups location that you got the picture from is the original source? Shouldn't there be a better source such as from Takara or Hasbro?

Nevermore
2004-05-28, 08:02 AM
"Original source" i.e. "where it originally leaked".

Sideswipe
2004-05-28, 09:02 AM
There are so many ways to make a car transform hey!!

Just look at the Robots Bros from Rid for an example of what i mean, though i do have to agree after a while you run out of ideas...

What happened to the classic car-hood-on0chest (ala G1 sideswipe), or the car roof for chest, and bonnet for feet(ala G1 Sunstreaker)

No, Im not a G1 refugee with a net connection, just someone who thinks that hasbro could perhaps be a little more crative

Windrazor
2004-05-28, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Nevermore
"Original source" i.e. "where it originally leaked".

Ahh.. ok.. so original source that you know of. That picture had to of come from somewhere.. and I guess I'm questioning where that picture originally came from.

Originally posted by Sideswipe
There are so many ways to make a car transform hey!!

Just look at the Robots Bros from Rid for an example of what i mean, though i do have to agree after a while you run out of ideas...

What happened to the classic car-hood-on0chest (ala G1 sideswipe), or the car roof for chest, and bonnet for feet(ala G1 Sunstreaker)

No, Im not a G1 refugee with a net connection, just someone who thinks that hasbro could perhaps be a little more creative.


Hey Sideswipe.. I hear what you are saying. You would think they might have other ideas for it, but then, what would they do? And how difficult might the transformations be? What age group would they be aiming at? Because a kid 12 and under probably won't have the patience to deal with extra transformations if it gets too difficult. Of course there is just so much you can do with a Transformer.. BTW.. don't worry bout being a G1 Refugee/Fanboy or whatever. Because in reality we are all fanboys (or girls) .. otherwise, why are we posting on here?

Cliffjumper
2004-05-28, 12:35 PM
To be honest, I can think of two or three rough configuartions that'd fit the specs, and be no more complex than Alt Smokescreen. I'll see if I can draw rough versions [my art skills suck] and scan them in to illustrate... Though two very loose descriptions with be "Alternator Lightspeed" and "Alternator Throttlebot" arrangements. Yes, let's all mock the poseability of those etc... But I really do think either rough layout could be tweaked to give a good Alternator.

EDIT: G1 Downshift might be a better starting illustration than Lightspeed.

Denyer
2004-05-28, 01:21 PM
The 'Throttlebot' arrangement would work well if they do a smaller car.

At the moment, we're likely to see sports cars as the focus, as those are the models manufacturers want pushed. That we've already seen Hound probably indicates we're going to see more variety, but probably in a low ratio. The licensing fees for the cars dent profits.

Alternators Sideswipe & Dead End already demonstrated that the "bonnet on chest" arrangement will probably see some use. It's just a case of changing the pivot point.

dedicon
2004-05-28, 02:18 PM
do you actually want an alternator with sidebruns transformation?
cause personally,i dont.

Cliffjumper
2004-05-28, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by dedicon
do you actually want an alternator with sidebruns transformation?
cause personally,i dont.

Did anyone say that? No... it's merely an example of a range giving detail and poseability from three totally different transformational sequences. That much about the Car Brothers is undeniable.

Nevermore
2004-05-28, 05:17 PM
New! The Meister pics are real. Now shown at at HLJ:
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK12482

The red version looks like early concept designs.

Also up at HLJ: Remolded Smokescreen as well:
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK12483

I also edited the first post for those who didn't see the thread yet.

Windrazor
2004-05-28, 09:36 PM
Well.. I'm still working on the true origin of the pictures... Talking to a guy from Japan that said it came from Takara's wholesale department. I'll hopefully have a link for you.

Denyer
2004-05-28, 09:46 PM
Red would make a nicer Sidewipe than Sideswipe, IMO.

Nevermore
2004-05-29, 04:01 PM
Okay. This is insane.

From Digital Toys (http://www.digital-toys.com/transformers.html):
Hello all,

Yesterday in our newsletter we broke the news about the upcoming BT-07 and BT-08 Binaltechs from Takara. First up is the BT-08 Mazda RX-8, we've confirmed both variants, a WHITE and a WINE RED version will be available this August/September, pictures and pre-orders are posted!! For those of you who already pre-ordered, simply send us an e-mail and let us know which one you would like. Second is the BT-07 2004 Subaru WRC featuring new color, bumper, wheel, & air tech!! Also, there will be FOUR VARIANTS!! In addition to the #7 and #8 variants on the side door, there will be LIMITED VARIANTS with #1 and #2 on the side doors!! New pics and pre-orders posted, the pics on these are probably not the final product, but these awesome releases will be LIMITED are not to be missed!! Pre-order yours today!! We've checked around and appear to be the FIRST ONLINE STORE to bring you this information!! Visit us today!!

Two color variants for Meister? Four variants for the remolded Smokescreen?!? :wall:

Windrazor
2004-05-29, 08:56 PM
I had seen a comment by someone at one time that there were supposed to be 3 versions of Meister. I don't know how much truth is held in that. Or even that there are 4 or so variations of BT-07. I did try to find out where the pictures of the white Meister came from. It sounds as if it was sent by email from Takara to wholesalers.

Nevermore
2004-05-29, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
I had seen a comment by someone at one time that there were supposed to be 3 versions of Meister. I don't know how much truth is held in that. Or even that there are 4 or so variations of BT-07. It seems a little outlandish that they would produce 4 variations of a figure but not make diecast figures.. Gah.. how this keeps going in a big circle..

http://tabman.bei.t-online.de/detour.gif

THESE ARE NOT THE HASBRO VERSIONS.

These are the Takara versions. Wich means Takara producing multiple variants for each toy has **** to do with Hasbro not releasing diecast Alternators.

Quit whining, for ****'s sake. If you want diecast, import Binaltech.

Denyer
2004-05-29, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
It seems a little outlandish that they would produce 4 variations of a figure but not make diecast figures.. What are you talking about? This is Takara, not Hasbro. They are making die-cast, and they are selling to a culture which appreciates "lucky dip" and limited release items, which is what the door versions are.

edit: Nevermind, beaten to it.

Transfannabeel
2004-05-30, 12:29 AM
Thought I'd post this rumor instead of starting a new thread about it:http://adctalk.com/index.php?showtopic=1965373

Wonder if its true.

Cliffjumper
2004-05-30, 01:42 AM
http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24023

Transfannabeel
2004-05-30, 03:24 PM
sorry about that.

Nevermore
2004-05-31, 11:18 PM
HLJ have updated their preorder page for Meister (http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK12482):
Please note that Meister comes in either red or white, but these colour variants are treated as identical items by the manufacturer. As a result, we are unable to honour requests for specific colours, nor can we guarantee which colour you will receive in your order. Please order only if you are willing to accept either variant.

Hrrrm. Giving you the opportunity to chose from two versions is one thing, random "lucky draw" selections isn't. :(

Denyer
2004-05-31, 11:41 PM
Cue mass loss of business.

Nevermore
2004-05-31, 11:48 PM
And I'm certain Archonia won't discriminate either... They didn't offer a choice for the original Smokescreen variations, though I didn't care back then (and got #7, which I'm pretty happy about). In this case, however, I'd pretty much prefer a white Meister. Hmm. Either I try ordering via Remy (he offered me the option a while ago), or I try "lucky draw" with Archonia and try swapping with someone who wanted a red one yet got a white one if my luck fails...

Denyer
2004-06-01, 12:02 AM
Both'll be nice, but demand for the white is going to be far higher simply because there's already a red Alternator out there (even if I don't really like him...) Add in close resemblance to Jazz and the red is going to attract completists and casual store trade.

Nevermore
2004-06-02, 06:02 PM
Slightly better (i.e. non-deformed) pics of Meister at Archonia (http://www.archonia.com/index.php?page=article&aid=25601)...

Nevermore
2004-06-05, 08:00 PM
Allspark (http://boards.allspark.com/index.php?act=ST&f=41&t=45191) has considerably higher resolution pics, although there appears to be something wrong with their image codec, note all those weird square boxes across the pics...

Windrazor
2004-06-05, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
Allspark (http://boards.allspark.com/index.php?act=ST&f=41&t=45191) has considerably higher resolution pics, although there appears to be something wrong with their image codec, note all those weird square boxes across the pics...

Looks as if the Subaru WRC 2004 model is still in its prototype stage. its definitely different but not too much different. I'm surprised that if they are going to make 4 versions (1,2,7,8) Why not just go and make all the numbers. Is it actually set in stone as to if Takara is actually making all of these versions? Including the Red Wine Meister? It'd be nice to see all of these versions make it thru Hasbro as well. But then again, if Hasbro isn't going to do Binaltech versions, or even put out the #7 car with Smokescreen, I have a feeling they won't be making all of these variations either.

Nevermore
2004-06-05, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
Looks as if the Subaru WRC 2004 model is still in its prototype stage.

Those are actually the same pictures HLJ posted last week, only in higher resolution.

I'm surprised that if they are going to make 4 versions (1,2,7,8) Why not just go and make all the numbers.

Hmm, maybe because the Impreza doesn't drive around with #3, or #5 on its doors?

Is it actually set in stone as to if Takara is actually making all of these versions?

Why should they announce it if they are not going to do it?

Including the Red Wine Meister?

I'll explain that on my site soon. Wait a few hours until I properly transferred the Meister page into the new design.

It'd be nice to see all of these versions make it thru Hasbro as well.

And people already complain about all the Takara variations...

But then again, if Hasbro isn't going to do Binaltech versions, or even put out the #7 car with Smokescreen

Didn't they already announce they were going to do a running change to the #7 version in the near future?

Cliffjumper
2004-06-05, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
. I'm surprised that if they are going to make 4 versions (1,2,7,8) Why not just go and make all the numbers.

Because 1, 2, 7 & 8 are the numbers the car's used. 7 & 8 last season, 1 & 2 this season.

Denyer
2004-06-05, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Windrazor
Why not just go and make all the numbers. People really haven't grasped the concept of Alternators, have they?

Incidentally, I'd guess the release of Meister the US sees will be the white one.