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Nevermore
2005-06-08, 06:03 PM
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/thread75868.html

Waiting for pics...

Knightdramon
2005-06-08, 06:11 PM
I know it's still pretty early, but I hope he comes out as a binaltech as well. Great news though.

[hope the bt version doesn't cost as much as 8000 yen, lol]

Brave Maximus
2005-06-08, 07:10 PM
Does anyone find it mildly weird that Hasbro is releasing (and announcing) an Alternator BEFORE Takara does with the Binaltech?

I wonder if this supports the idea that Takara is dropping the BT line. Either way, it does seem to be a favourable indication that Hasbro is going to continue to bring out new moulds (and ones that can be nicely repainted to nausium).

Now, if they can release something past Dead End in Canada, I'd be happy.

italo-con
2005-06-08, 07:40 PM
heres a pic of a 2005 toyota mpv that ironhide is supposed to be modeled after...


http://www.outofrange.net/blogarchive/archives/toyotapreviampv.jpg

AutobotJazz
2005-06-08, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by italo-con
heres a pic of a 2005 toyota mpv that ironhide is supposed to be modeled after...


http://www.outofrange.net/blogarchive/archives/toyotapreviampv.jpg

I hope that in the name of all that is good in this world that he looks nothing like a bloody people carrier. I know he was a delivery van in G1 but do they have to make him some so undesirable in the Alternator line....no! I reckon he'd make a cool pickup or a different 4x4 jeep-like vehicle.


Or an ice cream van.

RID Scourge
2005-06-08, 08:32 PM
Ooh! Ice cream! :)

Eh, unless he's freakin' awesome, I'm not getting anymore alts after Shockers and Decepticharge.

Bodycount
2005-06-08, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Brave Maximus
Does anyone find it mildly weird that Hasbro is releasing (and announcing) an Alternator BEFORE Takara does with the Binaltech?

I wonder if this supports the idea that Takara is dropping the BT line. Either way, it does seem to be a favourable indication that Hasbro is going to continue to bring out new moulds (and ones that can be nicely repainted to nausium).

Now, if they can release something past Dead End in Canada, I'd be happy.

Ironhide is not official, it's black market prototype theft, as usual.

Hasbro usually announces Alternators first...the past what..8 Alternators have been announced in the US first.

Nevermore
2005-06-08, 08:44 PM
Plus, ever since Windcharger, Alternators HAVE been released way ahead of their respective Binaltech counterparts.

Knightdramon
2005-06-08, 08:50 PM
Takara is not dropping the Bts, it's just that Alternators are announced and produced faster.

It's much faster to produce a toy molded in coloured plastic, toss it in a big red box, throw some poorly illustrated instructions and call it a day ;)

Bts have to have all the paperwork ready, the latest story chapter written etc. Plus they have to come out with 'spaces' in-between so that people can afford them.

At least that's what I think...

EDIT-Check page six of Nev's link. Finally revealled...

Nevermore
2005-06-08, 09:12 PM
Images?

http://www.toymania.com/toybuzz/messages/75004.shtml

Koolbeans X-treme
2005-06-08, 09:22 PM
but damn, does it have to be a scion? i would have rathered, ven a suburban, ...................acutually that would have been pretty damn kool

AutobotJazz
2005-06-08, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
Images?

http://www.toymania.com/toybuzz/messages/75004.shtml

I'm a bit shocked to say this but thats not half bad. Decent head sculpt with a chunky look to the rest of it. Confused though. What model is it? I dont think we have them in the UK?

Also he has to be red.

And an ice cream van.....

Nevermore
2005-06-08, 10:18 PM
Scion xB.
Aka Toyota bB in Japan.

AutobotJazz
2005-06-08, 11:09 PM
Cheers for that. Pretty cool mold though.

Almighty Galvatron
2005-06-08, 11:21 PM
Kinda ugly vehicle mode, although I'd rather something ugly from Japan than a fugly American designed alt mode. Thank Prime he isn't going to end up as that monstrosity of a ute that Dodge produces.

Another plus from this is that it might give HasTak more options in terms of who they can look to for licences for further toys

Tempest
2005-06-09, 01:28 AM
I don't know why, the second I saw him I wanted him. I want that mould. For some mysterious reason, I want that damn Ironhide, I haven't been this giddy about an Alt since Deadend.

Koolbeans X-treme
2005-06-09, 01:38 AM
hehe, probably becasue (a) its a new mold, and it looks good, and (b) you finally get an ironhide with a head

DrSpengler
2005-06-09, 02:29 AM
God, not a Scion...

Civ
2005-06-09, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by DrSpengler
God, not a Scion...

It could be worse, he could be a Honda Element.

I don't think the figure looks that bad and I'm glad they're using a more plain looking vehicle since that will help his disguise. He's definitely on my want list.

DrSpengler
2005-06-09, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Civ
It could be worse, he could be a Honda Element.


The Honda Element makes baby Jesus cry.

Ravage
2005-06-09, 03:44 AM
Of course Scion is owned by Toyota which makes me wonder about more ideas. Trailbreaker as a Tundra for example.

Pun-3X
2005-06-09, 03:51 AM
Ugh! I have HATED the Scion since its introduction. Man, I got excited when I saw the pic of the MPV too. That would have been a lot more fitting.

I'm not usually one to post this way, but :wall:

GAH!

Clay
2005-06-09, 04:32 AM
At least he has a head, now...

Knightdramon
2005-06-09, 09:24 AM
Be glad we're getting a van in a line where the biggest vehicle so far had been a jeep.

I'm looking forward to him. Thanks to this line, I can finally have a complete "G1" collection of cars.

Scarrita
2005-06-09, 10:44 AM
Scion or no... I don't give a rat's ass. It's friggin' Ironhide, he was my very first Transformer and you can bet your sweet Aunt Mary's ass that I'm getting this one.

/wonder if he'll have that little black square on his roof as on the old alt mode.

Zisteau
2005-06-09, 11:28 AM
While I really can't stand Scions, that robot mode is spot-on. :up:

BigMaki
2005-06-09, 11:53 AM
I know a couple people who will be grabbing that one instantly, what with being able to have a TF of their car and all. I kind of like it.

Brimstone
2005-06-09, 01:20 PM
Oh yea...the cube on wheels... :(

Well, anyway...it's Ironhide, so that's cool. Although his arms are pretty skimpy and he looks kinda funky without a mouth (that may just be the glare though).

Well, for now, I'm quite disappointed. Maybe the finished (preferably red) version will look better.

RID Scourge
2005-06-09, 01:30 PM
Looks good, but not enough for me to buy it. Maybe if they make a Decepticon version that looks cool.

Ghirox
2005-06-09, 01:54 PM
Not the best choice possible - the color scheme is probably not the definitive one and probably the finished product will be better, but i'm pondering about the rumored alt pick up - can ironhide fit in some sort of pick up vehicle mode? TBH, probably another model could be a better choice

Bountyhunter
2005-06-09, 03:07 PM
Its about time! He could have been as ugly as prowl and I'd still have to have him. Ironhide is back! I like the ides of a remold as Brawn. He was another one where the toy did not match the character.

Scarrita
2005-06-09, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Ghirox
can ironhide fit in some sort of pick up vehicle mode?

Look at that head, it's Ironhide for sure. Although I too would have preferred the Dodge Ram pickup truck for his alt mode... That thing just looks tough. But he's getting a Scion... Too bad, so sad.

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 05:19 PM
There's people claiming the head sculpt is looking more like Skids...

Brimstone
2005-06-09, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
There's people claiming the head sculpt is looking more like Skids... Oh yeah! I'd agree with that. I bet this is supposed to be Skids and not Ironhide. (the alt mode certainly fits better if it's Skids...and you're right, that head sculpt certainly has more in common with Skids than it does Ironhide).

Okay...now I'm excited about this Alternator. :)

Denyer
2005-06-09, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
There's people claiming the head sculpt is looking more like Skids... Could well be. Now, what does that say about Skids that almost everyone jumps to the conclusion that it's Ironhide regardless of the vehicle?

'Course, we may see both characters from the mould.

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 06:28 PM
More pics!

http://www.sgcollect.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42330&st=45

phoenixliger
2005-06-09, 07:32 PM
Im not big on the altmode but the robot design is sweet.

My question is what other transformers can use this mold. The scoin makes no sence for Ratchet(ambulance), Trail breaker, and Brawn there off road vehicles. perhaps gears would fit the mold but I cant think of a single Decepticon although Motormaster would be funny.

Knightdramon
2005-06-09, 07:49 PM
It's funny how half the excitement of seeing a new alternator mould is who the remould can\will be.

Let's join the game :D

Remould can be either Ratchet or Brawn [trailbreaker was "lost" as BT 09], or Motormaster\Soundwave. I'm guessing [bt story] that wheeljack got angry after losing windcharger to the clutches of the cons, so he rebuilt their security officer. ;)

Billy Barrew
2005-06-09, 07:59 PM
I cant think of a single Decepticon although Motormaster would be funny.

I was thinking Motormaster would look good as a black Ford Mustang with some silver trim and his purple sword.

Brimstone
2005-06-09, 08:10 PM
But Motormaster won't be silver/black/purple. Following the thoery of the current Stunticons...Motormaster will have to be maroon/black/gold. :D

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 08:25 PM
http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm

Civ
2005-06-09, 08:38 PM
For an easier comparison of the three Autobots in question:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/RagingCalm/Scion_Alt_Head3.jpg

Yes, I know the Skids cartoon head is blurry but it was the best I could find without excessive searching.

EDIT: Skids cartoon head fixed. Thanks, Nevermore.

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 08:50 PM
http://www.transformersforever.com/newtfsitefiles/TFsite5-2001/imagegallery/G1%20Images/Season%202%20part%202/Ep45%20Quest%20for%20Survival/watermarked/bitmap%2089.jpg

Koolbeans X-treme
2005-06-09, 09:20 PM
[trailbreaker was "lost" as BT 09],

When did that happen? i dont remmeber ever reading that in the BT story, speaking of which anyboady know where i can find it updated to the newest BT out?

losing windcharger to the clutches of the cons

also when did that happen??

and finally to add my opinion, i dont think they would make this guy perceptor, call it my own hunch. I kept thinking it was ironhide, but once you guys mentioned that it could be skids, it seems to make a whole lot more sense.

especally when the blue coloring (http://images.autobytel.com/cyber/186356/iF0523B_1.jpg) looks a whole lot better then the red (http://www.cfcl.com/~vlb/weblog/images/scionred.jpg) it also looks a whole lot more like skids in the alt mode then ironhide

Denyer
2005-06-09, 09:40 PM
Pretty similar to the TFU model too...

http://tfarchive.com/comics/resources/universe/Autobot/skids.jpg

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme
When did that happen? i dont remmeber ever reading that in the BT story

http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/swindle/booklet.shtml

To get Swindle's body frame, the Decepticons took control of the BT-09 exostructure being developed for the Autobots at the Central City Institute of Technology, along with its project team, and forced the team to complete it. Therefore, a few of its function terminals, such as the force field emitter and jamming wave transmission panels, were left behind offline.
[...]
*The Japanese text uses the phrase "force barrier emitter," as the Japanese dub of the original series used the phrase "force barrier" to refer to Trailbreaker's special power (though there were times when they also used "force field"). *Central City is a fictional city from the two-part episode "Megatron's Master Plan."

Oh, and this (http://tfarchive.com/hosted/files/trailbreaker.jpg). And this (http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=BTC+Complete+Guide&pic=BTC3-03.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=25).

Case closed.

Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme
speaking of which anyboady know where i can find it updated to the newest BT out?

Opening your eyes and scrolling down the first page of the news forum might have given you this... (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30818)

Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme
also when did that happen??

Here (http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=BTC+Complete+Guide&pic=BTC-complete16.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0). And here (http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=BTC+Complete+Guide&pic=BTC-complete18.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0). And here (http://www.hlj.com/product/TAK64265).

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 10:42 PM
Hmm...

AutobotJazz
2005-06-09, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Civ
It could be worse, he could be a Honda Element.


Hmmmm....never seen it but what if they went back to Ironhide's roots and made him a red Ford Transit....bleugh!!!!

Civ
2005-06-09, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by AutobotJazz
Hmmmm....never seen it but what if they went back to Ironhide's roots and made him a red Ford Transit....bleugh!!!!

Click here (http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/honda_element_2005/4306/model_overview.html?refsrc=iy/model/honda+element) and behold! Make sure you have a bucket or toilet nearby though once you do see it.

AutobotJazz
2005-06-09, 11:16 PM
*bit woozy*

Thats just wrong. I see what you mean. That should never have made it past the concept stage, and all who designed it should me tarred and feathered.

Koolbeans X-treme
2005-06-09, 11:28 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme
also when did that happen??
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Here. And here. And here.

um, what does that prove? i still dont get it. does that mean windercharger was turned into someone else?

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme
um, what does that prove? i still dont get it. does that mean windercharger was turned into someone else?

It means that Wildrider/"Decepticharge" has a head sculpt that was originally intended to be Windcharger.

Just like Swindle has a Trailbreaker head.
And Dead End has a Sunstreaker head.

Rookwise
2005-06-09, 11:42 PM
There is an alternator Ironhide prototype available on Ebay

Edit: Post edited. Sorry Nevermore. Wont post links again.

Nevermore
2005-06-09, 11:44 PM
I would have preferred not posting that link until the auction had ended...
What exactly is the auction link supposed to contribute? We've seen pics already. The only one the auction link is currently helping is the seller.

Denyer
2005-06-09, 11:52 PM
Well, for one thing I've asked the guy if it says Ironhide on the toy...

Nevermore
2005-06-10, 12:01 AM
I doubt it'll say anything at such an early stage.

Rookwise: Posting links is okay. I just don't like personally posting links to auctions for stolen prototypes that are still running.

This is not a board policy, though, so it's still up to your personal judgment. It's just that I prefer not posting that sort of eBay links. :)

Rookwise
2005-06-10, 12:24 AM
Ok. Didn't notice if the listing had ended or not. Will repost it after it's ended if its ok.

Denyer
2005-06-10, 12:30 AM
Interestingly, there were five in that that auction. Are whole batches getting nicked, or is this waste salvage?

Denyer
2005-06-10, 04:59 AM
Info from the seller:hi, this is a test shot and there is no indication "ironhide" anywhere but on the actual product, the name is shown on the vehicle plate. as for now, it's confirmed as ironhide for its face in robot mode. thanks.In other words, we're still guessing... though it's a reasonable guess.

Zisteau
2005-06-10, 06:49 AM
Please be Skids and not Ironhide, please be Skids and not Ironhide. How can you NOT give Ironhide the giant pickup truck model?

Nevermore
2005-06-10, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Rookwise
Ok. Didn't notice if the listing had ended or not. Will repost it after it's ended if its ok.

As I said: It's not a board policy, I was merely vocing my opinion. :)

Brimstone
2005-06-10, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
Pretty similar to the TFU model too...

http://tfarchive.com/comics/resources/universe/Autobot/skids.jpg Note, too, that Skids gun in this picture (in his right hand) closely resembles the gun in the supposed Ironhide prototypes hand.

Not that this proves anything either...

Brimstone
2005-06-10, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
Hmm... What's this new picture from?

(EDIT: Sorry for the double post)

Rookwise
2005-06-10, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Brimstone
What's this new picture from?

(EDIT: Sorry for the double post)


Thats 'young' Ironhide from the Dreamwave War Within comics.

optimusskids
2005-06-10, 10:39 PM
If that mould turns up in red , I'm afraid I'm going to keep thinking Royal Mail . Maybe Reprolabels could do a nice sticker set lol.

"Prahme I cant possibly deliver all these letters by 9am "

phoenixliger
2005-06-11, 12:25 AM
I don,t see them using the scion for ratchet. Gears yes but he would be it, there is no decepticon that fits. Motor master no but that would be funny.

I think an Escalade would have been the perfect Alt mode just no spinners please

Brimstone
2005-06-11, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by Rookwise
Thats 'young' Ironhide from the Dreamwave War Within comics. Ah...interesting. Well, I guess time will tell. I hope it doesn't end up being Ironhide, but if it does...it's not like I won't buy it. :)

Cassettacon 27
2005-06-11, 05:09 PM
I have a hard time seeing him as a van now since many van models are being replaced with S.U.V's (In Canada at least).

Just what we need to see, Ironhide as an S.U.V.
"I'm Ironhide. Second in command of the Autobots, an' winner of the Soccer Mom of the year award in 1993." :D

BattleLeppard
2005-06-11, 09:19 PM
Ironhide
http://cars.ign.com/articles/424/424269p1.html

Skids
http://cars.ign.com/articles/501/501319p1.html

Ratchet
http://www.scionlife.com/features/2004005/

Brawn
http://www.shinestreet.com/special/SCION/

Kup! :-)
http://www.car.ee/wallpapers/scion/scion-t2b-concept/294/
http://cars.ign.com/articles/601/601748p1.html

I learn to appreciate the Scion xB model.
It' a great departure from the sporty car idea.

I cannot think which Decepticons could be
made out of this mold yet.

Knightdramon
2005-06-11, 10:00 PM
The "Kup design" simply sucks. It's concept and all, but releasing a car like that is not a wise move, unless it's cheap.

As for Decepticons, we're taught to think outside the boundaries, so possible nominates could be...

Motormaster, Soundwave, Onslaught, Brawl. We're all so intent on thinking on the stunticons, that we forgot all about Swindle's comrades.

However, we can also expect a lame Brawn\Ratchet\Skids.

Heinrad
2005-06-12, 02:26 AM
I'm bound to get shouted down for this one, but.... why not just go with his original vehicle mode? He's supposed to be the oldest Autobot, so why give him a "new" design?

RID Scourge
2005-06-12, 02:46 AM
Well, the story behind it is that current manufacturers are making new bodies for them to replace the old, damaged ones. Otherwise, your suggestion could work.

Heinrad
2005-06-12, 05:52 AM
But vans are passe. Otherwise they could just go with the Toyota Previa(if Toyota's still making them), and call it solved.

Sir Auros
2005-06-12, 06:34 AM
I like it and I hope it's going to be Ironhide. Nice to get a decent toy for one of my personal favorites.

Hopefully this may lead to other, non-sporty vehicles like trucks and whatnot.

Nevermore
2005-06-12, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by RID Scourge
Well, the story behind it is that current manufacturers are making new bodies for them to replace the old, damaged ones. Otherwise, your suggestion could work.

The general real-world idea behind the entire line is licensed vehicles, as in "currently available", and not "20 years old".

optimusskids
2005-06-12, 11:25 AM
We will just have to wait and see. Not sure where this vans are passe thing is coming from still seems to be plenty around can't see a plumber opting for a People Carrier really and white SUV man doesnt have much of a ring to it. Although White SUVvie Luvvie might be the new cliche.

EDIT

Its probably a regional thing You've got way more Pick up's Stateside

RID Scourge
2005-06-12, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
The general real-world idea behind the entire line is licensed vehicles, as in "currently available", and not "20 years old".

Which is what I said in the first sentence. Current manufacturers making new bodies for tfs.

Pun-3X
2005-06-12, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Sir Auros
Hopefully this may lead to other, non-sporty vehicles like trucks and whatnot.

I'm actually hoping they do one for the Nissan Titan. Possible Trailbreaker/Gears/Hoist(lesser extent) character for that one.

Knightdramon
2005-06-12, 06:10 PM
I think one of the reasons we're not seeing physically larger cars [the scion is not wider or longer than a mustang] is exactly that; their size.

When this mould was first announced, I thought it would be bigger than the rest, and thus more expensive. However, I read that it's about the same as an S2000 in size. So, they're [in my opinion] looking for any models small enough to fit in the binaltech boxes without upping the price. Think about it when suggesting Hummers, SUV's etc.

Brimstone
2005-06-12, 06:28 PM
What about the Hummer H3? Still looks like a big tough SUV (for Brawn or someone similar) yet it's not the grotesque monstrosity that the H2 is. :)

optimusskids
2005-06-12, 07:46 PM
They've run through the Autobot cars quite quickly So they've a few minibot cars to upgrade then they're into the realm of vans and trucks. They can't really do bumblebee as anything else but a Beetle though.

Would love to see an updated Landrover for Brawn etc but i think they're owned by a German company . They still anti transformers or have they thawed a bit ?


I forgot they've got a few Throttlebots they could do I could see Rollbar as a Hound repaint.

Would also love to see construction equipment

Hopefully Hasbro could get on to Caterpillar , JCB et Al and we could have constructicons, autobot double targetmasters , wideload even a upgraded autobot constuction patrol. Lost of repaints there.
plus if they came up with a basic truck chassis we could have
Inferno, Onslaught ,Grapple, Hotspot etc they'd just need to upgrade the payload on the back the heads and the paint scheme.

RUNAMOK
2005-06-14, 09:23 AM
juts to let you guys know, there has surfaced a protopype on E-bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=753&item=5981047955&rd=1

but it looks just like the other pictures

optimusskids
2005-06-14, 07:24 PM
Nominates Crankcase for repaint possibility.

Theres even a sort of synchrocity

Skids has vast memory banks

Crankcase is data collector also with vast data banks

Koolbeans X-treme
2005-06-14, 07:42 PM
actually crankcase wuld be perfect. http://www.tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Crankcase/crankcase.htm look at the car mode. it even resembles an xB

BattleLeppard
2005-06-14, 09:13 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by Koolbeans X-treme

actually crankcase wuld be perfect.
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After extensive browsing on TFU, that was exactly my thought too.

And for non-vehicle Decepticons I would consider Soundwave (as some of you already mentioned) and Reflector (Spectro, Spyglass, Viewfinder) based on the boxy shape. Or maybe a new funky name like Energoncharge... to personalize a fatty energon cube. >:-)

optimusskids
2005-06-25, 05:32 PM
They could do a roof rack or something that could convert to his 2 shoulder mounted guns for Crankcase's G1 look . Do Scions do roof racks?? Plus it would differentiate him from Skids

Darth Zax
2005-06-25, 07:28 PM
is anyone sure it's ironhide:eyebrow:
it also could be:
ratchet (and ironhide ofcourse, or a decepticon repaint as they did with dead end)
hoist
trailbreaker
hot rod :confused:

Darth Shrapnel
2005-06-25, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Darth Zax
is anyone sure it's ironhide:eyebrow:
it also could be:
ratchet (and ironhide ofcourse, or a decepticon repaint as they did with dead end)
hoist
trailbreaker
hot rod :confused:

Definitely not Hoist.
Trailbreaker`s body was stolen and used for Swindle.

optimusskids
2005-06-25, 11:25 PM
Nothing to stop the Bots who had there bodies stolen having a second one built , especially if theyve all got this nasty disease.