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Sir Auros
2006-08-28, 04:17 AM
PLEASE TAG STORY SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.

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Like so.
Thanks.

Since I bought the 6" War Within Prime, which is a toy BTW, I've been rereading my War Within books. I'm assuming IDW has commented on The War Within and what they can/might/will do with it or with a similar concept, so what has been said on the matter?

Denyer
2006-08-28, 04:35 AM
First off, Stormbringer has a few designs (not many, but a few) that
are similar to War Within, on account of Don drawing both series. Mostly just Prime, and of course WW was set millions of years in the past -- Stormbringer's "now" in IDW continuity.

Continuations of WW... Furman is said to be keen, but there's the twin issues of ongoing legal dispute over some DW material (not sure about the specifics) and IDW being more busy doing their own continuity/material.

My personal guess is that they'd do a completion straight-to-trade.

Sir Auros
2006-12-17, 05:54 AM
I was going to be lazy and start a thread asking for people to help me fill in the holes in what I need (the comic shop that ships me comics has been shoddy), but that answered all my questions.

It seems I just need the two Spotlight features after Shockwave and the new miniseries. Damn nice of them to restart their numbering. Makes things easy and doesn't at all make it seem like their license holding is as transitory as Dreamwave's.

Denyer
2006-12-17, 06:37 PM
Apart from the spotlights (which in theory can be read in any order, although the Nightbeat one is probably going to be fairly important in the long run) there's an overall continuity number next to the barcode, which should help a bit.

http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/numbering.php

Retailers basically won't touch an ongoing after Dreamwave.

I'm currently being about as tactful as an electrified cattle prod in suggesting that an "issues in this continuity" guide be added to every issue of every title in it...

http://forums.idwpublishing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=21;t=2567;st=220
http://forums.idwpublishing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=21;t=2553;st=0

In my view, it is a problem -- there's too much product out there for people to get a grip on what fits where without some hand-holding. Whereas most people were motivated enough and had time to follow things as kids, it's infeasible for a lot of people to do so now.

Mind if I move this into a public forum? More people might notice it and chime in.

Sir Auros
2006-12-18, 12:13 AM
Go ahead and shift this wherever you see fit.

I'm kind of worried because they really are shoving as much out as quickly as they possibly can and just skimming over the books (as a casual comics fan would be likely to do), I still needed to come here to figure out the continuity.

Nevermore
2006-12-18, 11:50 AM
I don't really understand what's so difficult about it.

The "main title" is a sequence of mini-series (Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation) with an internal numbering next to the barcode. The Spotlight one-shots (can anyone tell me why Shockwave was #1, Nightbeat #2 and then Hot Rod dropped any numbering?) are part of the same continuity. That's it.

Beast Wars: The Gathering was set in the BW cartoon continuity (or the IDW version of it), Evolutions: Hearts of Steel was its own continuity, Generations features reprints of old Marvel stories, and the Animated Movie Adaption should be self-explanatory.

Osku
2006-12-18, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Nevermore
I don't really understand what's so difficult about it.

The "main title" is a sequence of mini-series (Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation) with an internal numbering next to the barcode. The Spotlight one-shots (can anyone tell me why Shockwave was #1, Nightbeat #2 and then Hot Rod dropped any numbering?) are part of the same continuity. That's it.

Beast Wars: The Gathering was set in the BW cartoon continuity (or the IDW version of it), Evolutions: Hearts of Steel was its own continuity, Generations features reprints of old Marvel stories, and the Animated Movie Adaption should be self-explanatory.
It's clear if one has followed IDW comics from the beginning. If one wants to jump in now, that's quite a lot of stuff. I understand how it can be a bit difficult at first to put all in correct context.

It doesn't make it easier that IDW is reprinting Dreamwave's material. For example Dreamwave's first "War Within" mini-series is even made by same writer and penciler as IDW's "Stormbringer".

Cliffjumper
2006-12-18, 03:42 PM
Yeh, it might not be confusing for someone who, say, spends a higher-than-average chunk of their time monitoring a TF news forum, but if you go into a comic shop and pick up some sequentially numbered TF comics, you could end up with bits of two different storylines. The DW comic numbering system is as plain as Jennifer Garner to me, as I got them all as they came out, followed the BB posts and wrote a bloody guide on the things. For some guy looking in the T section of Forbidden Planet? Not so.

Really, if you were to have Stormbringer #1 and Infiltration #2 in a rack together, what's to say it's not just a story title in Ye Olde Style, with these comics being TF #1 and TF #2? 'Impulse' buyers probably make a significant slice of the TF comic market, especially as the buzz about the film and Classics gathers a few lapsed fans to the book (which is, to be honest, the best bet for sustaining any sort of readership). Nah, sod the more casual buyers, you can understand the system if you read some web-pages or find some arcane system in the bar-codes (numbering comics is so passe, it's all in the barcodes now, how else will the market stay elitist and slowly collapse in on itself?), what are they whining about?

Halfshell
2006-12-18, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
For some guy looking in the T section of Forbidden Planet? Not so.

I've seen it happen. Not even the FP operative seemed to know what was going on... she handed him the Shockwave spotlight safe in the knowledge that "this is new out, it's #1". Bloody Generations or whatever they're calling the reprint series doesn't help either.

Cliffjumper
2006-12-18, 05:50 PM
I saw it in the DW days, too - Armada #1, G1 #2, WW #3, packed together as "Transformers 1-3" at a Forbidden Planet... Yeh, you (i.e. a vague "you", not Brend, who isn't doing so) can blame employees if you like, but that's missing the point a fair bit

The IDW stuff isn't even dated, is it? Hell, it doesn't help that the last two licencees have cover logos with only one letter's difference, I expect. I know that would be comparitively meaningless, what with it being pretty much accepted that a monthly comic can now appear at quarterly intervals, but it's another indicator gone (and one I remember, back in the day, being very helpful telling Heroes Reborn issues from Heroes Return issues).

I know the pros and cons of the obvious approach that would solve some problems (Infiltration #1.1, Escalation #2.1, etc.), and I don't have a solution (maybe maxi-series, so there's less chance of two #1s being on sale side by side in places with small back-issue stocks?), but to pretend there isn't a problem when intelligent people with no small amount of knowledge about modern comics and is a board regular finds it confusing? When someone finds it necessary to create a roadmap in the first place? That's a problem. To someone who's just got some Paramount DVDs having grown out of the stuff post-Movie, and has a gander next time they're in a comic store, even Beast Wars and Evolutions can sound like issue titles/taglines, and looking at cover scans, the Infiltration subtitle isn't even in the banner logo, it's along the bottom of the page, where traditionally comics often carry some random text.

Why exactly did the Spotlight comics need a number on the cover anyway if they're all #1? Seriously? I mean, looking at the one-shots I have from various other eras, I guess it's some sort of industry standard/requirement for it to be "Spotlight: Tailgate #1" on the little infobox inside the comic (you know, the one you have to find to work out which year your IDW comic is dated...), but why does this have to be on the cover?

Halfshell
2006-12-18, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Yeh, you (i.e. a vague "you", not Brend, who isn't doing so) can blame employees if you like, but that's missing the point a fair bit

I think anybody blaming employees is being unnecessarily harsh. I mean I dare say keeping track of the X-Men titles is a big enough chore, so why would they devote valuable brain time to memorising the run-order of a niche 80s nostalgia title?

The IDW stuff isn't even dated, is it?

Aye. It's tucked away in the barcode info - "ITEM CODE: MMMYY" As Nevermore noted, Stormbringer and Escalation have got a cumulative number next to the barcode, too... but without knowing what it means I'd be pretty stumped as to its significance.

Why exactly did the Spotlight comics need a number on the cover anyway if they're all #1?

Having a quick glance at my copies... Shockwave is #1, Nightbeat #2... then Hot Rod doesn't seem to be numbered at all. And seeing as it's the only series that has the Mini's title at the top, that makes it all the more strange. "Right, I can definitely tell that these are part of the same series... but the numbering stops after #2... sod it, I'll wait for the TPB."

Commander Shockwav
2006-12-19, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
[B]
I'm currently being about as tactful as an electrified cattle prod in suggesting that an "issues in this continuity" guide be added to every issue of every title in it...
[B]

Hey, I'm with you on that.

I think IDW is making a mistake in not including some sort of timeline in the back of each issue.

Dark Horse got hundreds of dollars from my pocket for that very reason with their timeline in the back of their Star Wars series. Never would have bit if it weren't for that.

I think it's crucial in getting fans aboard. Now that the continuity is expanding, we need something like a timeline to keep things straight.

inflatable dalek
2006-12-19, 08:39 PM
When I used to get the He-Man comics the constant renumbering deffinately buggered the hell out of me- I'd have to actually look inside the comic to make sure it was a new issue and not an old one in a cover I hadn't seen before, and theefore can feel sympathy for anyone baffled by it.

Aen't they droping the numbering from Generations after 12? I'm assuming they were worried about the implications of their longest running TF comic (any comic?) being a reprint of other people's stuff...

Cliffjumper
2006-12-31, 07:04 PM
Either that or none of them can count higher than 12.

While it wouldn't help in terms of explaining which mini-series take place after which, making the numbering and the mini-series title a little more intertwined wouldn't hurt - Infiltration 3 of 6, Stormbringer 1 of 4, etc. It might sound a bit daft if you know this is Infiltration #3 of a 6-issue Infiltration mini-series, but beyond the odd bit of snobbishness I can't see the harm it would do.

Their other option would be to name the continuities a bit more plainly. It'd mean some clunky naming and the like, but it could work.

EDIT: Multiple covers create a hell of a problem, too.

optimusskids
2006-12-31, 08:26 PM
I like the roadmap myself before getting into the IDW stuff the last time i'd got a comic was back in the Marvel days when 1 cover = 1 issue.

The clearer the better and the more likely you are to tempt nostalgic ex tf-fans back into the fold and keep them interested.

Halfshell
2007-01-01, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
[BAen't they droping the numbering from Generations after 12? I'm assuming they were worried about the implications of their longest running TF comic (any comic?) being a reprint of other people's stuff... [/B]

More startling (I think) is the fact that we're getting a Generations TPB.

I mean what the ****? Or are the Titan trades discontinued now or something?

Aardvark
2007-01-01, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Brendocon
More startling (I think) is the fact that we're getting a Generations TPB.

I mean what the ****? Or are the Titan trades discontinued now or something?
And it contains the first six issues, IIRC -- so if you replace "Warrior School" with "I, Robot-Master", you get the Cybertron Redux TPB.

Well, it does make it a better collection of stories, I'll give it that, yet, I can't help but feel ":eyebrow:" about it.

Gouki
2007-01-02, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Brendocon
More startling (I think) is the fact that we're getting a Generations TPB.

I mean what the ****? Or are the Titan trades discontinued now or something?

I thought they might be, considering how expensive they seem to be around my area.

Ozz
2007-01-02, 12:15 PM
I believe I read somewhere Titan doesn't have the license to do another prints.

Denyer
2007-01-02, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Brendocon
I mean what the ****? Or are the Titan trades discontinued now or something? They're definitely not in print, although there are a lot of copies in circulation. Titan's license was for three or four years and as far as I'm aware has expired -- but whereas they had their own agreements with Marvel, there are apparently problems with IDW reprinting stuff containing trademarks.

inflatable dalek
2007-01-04, 02:03 PM
Furman's said the Titan reprint of Issue 3 (guest staring Spider-Man if anyone doesn't know...) very nearly didn't happen and it took a lot of negotiation- And I imagin the restrictions would be even greater on Marvel's flagship character appearing in a actual comic published by a rival. Certainly more than IDW can afford...

Gouki
2007-01-06, 05:48 AM
Because I'm stupid and decided to get the trades in order, I have pretty much all of the Budinskay Titans trades. I just want the Furman G1 and G2 trades. Which I would kill for IDW to release. I haven't read them, and everyone says they're excellent work, especially for a toy comic.

I mean, there aren't really any characters or settings or anything owned by Marvel in those issues, are there? Besides the fact that were published by Marvel, that is.

inflatable dalek
2007-01-06, 02:27 PM
I think Circuit Breaker and the Neo Nights would be Marvel owned characters, but I believe Ms. Beller has allready been in a Generations, so Marvel most likely doesn't care (same goes for G.B. Blackrock).

Gouki
2007-01-07, 12:55 AM
Circuit Breaker appears in Furman's run/G2? Interesting, I had no idea.

Gouki
2007-04-08, 12:09 PM
So. I'm very much interested in getting these because they're cheap, and small. So they save me space and money, which can only be a good thing. The problem is, I'm apprehensive about how the art looks black and white, and how the general quality of the books are. So, how do the IDW 'manga' columes hold up? Are they worth the cash, or should I pay the extra $10 to get the larger trades?

Denyer
2007-04-08, 03:36 PM
Infiltration is four-tone:

http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/TF_INF_Manga_Cover.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0001.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0002.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0003.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0004.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0005.jpg

Stormbringer is, IIRC, black-and-white inks. Paper stock shouldn't be a problem -- everything I've seen of IDW's has been printed on good stuff.

If you're buying from somewhere like Amazon the difference should be less than ten bucks and you might as well as get the coloured versions.

edit: Stormbringer's also greyscale --

http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TF-StormMANGA-cov.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg01.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg02.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg03.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg04.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg05.jpg

inflatable dalek
2007-04-08, 03:43 PM
I'd still go for the colour version for preference, there's a huge difference between black and white art and art that hasn't been coloured and Su's stuf is very much the latter.

another tf fan
2007-04-08, 11:41 PM
I gotta agree with Dalek here.

The Movie Prequel B&W on the other hand was great, because the dark colors can blurr the images, but the deep contrast of the B&W showed Don's drawings off well. It was just B&W, though, not greyscale.

Gouki
2007-04-09, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by Denyer
Infiltration is four-tone:

http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/TF_INF_Manga_Cover.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0001.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0002.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0003.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0004.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/1129/M-TF0005.jpg

Stormbringer is, IIRC, black-and-white inks. Paper stock shouldn't be a problem -- everything I've seen of IDW's has been printed on good stuff.

If you're buying from somewhere like Amazon the difference should be less than ten bucks and you might as well as get the coloured versions.

edit: Stormbringer's also greyscale --

http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TF-StormMANGA-cov.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg01.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg02.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg03.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg04.jpg
http://www.idwpublishing.com/images/newreleases/0411/TFstorm1pg05.jpg

Looks good, for the most part (Stormbringer looks a little dark, though). I think I'll look into getting these, just a shame they aren't colour digests like the super-cheap Marvel ones (<3 Runaways Digests).

Nah, I'll be buying from some local comic stores, and the prices are I'm talking about are in $AU.

Ozz
2007-04-09, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Gouki
just a shame they aren't colour digests like the super-cheap Marvel ones (<3 Runaways Digests).

A real shame is that when Marvel releases something in digests (which I can't make myself to import because the idea sound wank) they don't make it into normal TPBs. Ant-Man - :(

inflatable dalek
2007-04-10, 04:36 PM
Surely Ant-Man's the one character who's comic should be released in a shrunk down form?

Jetfire
2007-04-10, 08:29 PM
Not read any Transformers since the start of the ongoing at Dreamwave. As it imploded so Pat Lee could pay strippers and not artists due to debt, I gave up and lost interest in TFs for a while (See how many TF relate posts I've made in the lats few years) not having anything to keep me tied to 'em as well as the fact comic collecting is bloody expensive now.

However I'm under the impression the new comics and contunity has actually bene quite good. Could some one give me a brief overview of how good the stories have been so far, brief story summaries an some basic info on how the new contunity connects/doesn't connect with the old ones.

Cheers.

Ozz
2007-04-10, 08:47 PM
Strangely enough, what you look for is on the site: http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/

Reviews and synopsisisi.... summaries.

It's entirely new continuity, from updated character designs to different story (and reason) of them coming to Earth.

I'm always two, three months behind, but what I've read so far I liked or liked very much. :)

Jetfire
2007-04-10, 09:41 PM
I saw, HENCE THE TERM BRIEF!. There is to much there to digest the whole thing quickly.

Nevermore
2007-04-10, 10:29 PM
It's quite a good story thus far, actually.

To catch up, you actually only need to read the "main series", which consists of various mini-series, and the Spotlight one-shots.

The main series starts with Infiltration (six issues plus a #0 prologue), continues with Stormbringer (four issues) and currently runs through Escalation (six issues, five released thus far). Infiltration (issues 0-6) and Stormbringer are both available as paperbacks already, and an Escalation TPB has also been announced. Following Escalation, we will get four issues of "Megatron: Origin", followed by the next six-part miniseries named "Devastation".

The one-shots thus far encompass Shockwave, Nightbeat, Hot Rod, Sixshot, Ultra Magnus and Soundwave. Kup, Galvatron and Optimus Prime are next. The first five Spotlights (Shockwave through Ultra Magnus) are slated to be released in TPB form this June.

Infiltration (written by Simon Furman; art by E.J. Su) starts on modern day (2006/07) Earth. The Transformers are here, hidden among us for at least two years, although references are made to previous activities on Earth on their behalf (which are further explored in the Shockwave and Soundwave Spotlight issues). Three young humans (significantly older than the numaerous brats from the more recent Japanese-written Transformers cartoon shows) find themselves involved in the conflict between a Decepticon infiltration group headed by Starscream and an Autobot battalion under Prowl's command. Starscream discoveres a potent Energon derivate (whose origins are also explained in the Shockwave Spotlight issue) and uses it to challenge Megatron, who has arrived on Earth to oversee affairs in person. Meanwhile, a mysterious human organization is stalking the Transformers, particularly the Autobots. Story's decent, a fresh start for newcomers and old school fans alike. E.J. Su redesigned the Autobots and Decepticons with new, modern-day Earth modes and corresponding robot modes that look like they could actually transform into those vehicles.

Stormbringer (written by Furman; art by Don Figueroa) is set concurrently to the events in Infiltration. Picking up a strange energy signature, Jetfire and the Technobots return to Cybertron, which had been rendered uninhabitable a long time ago had therefore been abandoned. They soon find themselves ambushed by a cult of Decepticons headed by Bludgeon, who seek to revive Thunderwing, who in turn had been the cause of Cybertron's current condition in the first place. When Thunderwing is reawakened, he starts tearing apart planet Nebulos and subsequently returns to Cybertron, where Optimus Prime, the Wreckers and a squadron of Decepticons (including Razorclaw's Predacons) have to try and stop his rampage once and for all. Story was kinda dull, but still better than a lot of what Dreamwave had put out. Don obviously used the experience he gained from the War Within redesigns and provides every with new Cybertronian modes, with a few of them (most notably Optimus Prime) being improved versions of the War Within designs. Needless to say, the story is set in the same universe as Infiltration and has no ties whatsoever to War Within or anything else from the Dreamwave-verse.

Escalation (written by Furman; art by E.J. Su) picks up where Infiltration ended. The shady organization named the "Machination" ambushes the Autobots and seemingly kills Sunstreaker and the human riding inside him. While the two remaining humans and a few Autobots try to track down those responsible, Megatron moves to the new stage by causing an international conflict between two rivalling nations, hoping to cause it to escalate into a global conflict. In order to get ahold of one of his puppets he uses to further the conflict, which is the key to all of his other human facsimiles worldwide, the Autobots require the help of reinforcements, which is where some of the characters from the Spotlights come into play. Story's been pretty fun, and E.J. Su just gave us the most awesomely choereographed Optimus Prime/Megatron battle ever.

Spotlight: Shockwave (written by Furman; Art by Nick Roche) explains the origins of the Super-Energon from Infiltration/Escalation) and also features a battle between Shockwave and the Dynobots (pre-Dinobots) on prehistoric Earth. Story's fun, and Nicke's art gives me a nice Geoff Senior vibe.

Spotlight: Nightbeat (written by Furman; art by M.D. Bright) features Nightbeat trying to uncover an ancient mystery that leads him to a planet whose indigeneous populace is technologically further advanced than us humans. However, it turns out Nightbeat has put his nose into a secret that would have better be left buried. Story's probably better in retrospect once we've seen how it fits into the grander scheme of things. Art's kinda bleh - hard to believe this is the same artist that drew the classic "Are All Dead" cover.

Spotlight: Hot Rod (written by Furman; art by Nick Roche) features Hot Rod on a mission to make up for past mistakes. Flashback show him on a failed mission that ended in most of his companions dying and the last one being taken prisoner by the Decepticons. In the present day, Hot Rod tries to free his comrade. Story's fun, whereas the art takes some time to get used to. It's a radically different style than Roche employed in "Shockwave".

Spotlight: Sixshot (written by Furman; art by Rob Ruffolo) features Sixshot's encounter with a group of alien killing machines named the Reapers. Story's kinda so-so, and of all the Spotlights, this one is the only one that currently has no direct ties to the ongoing story: Art is surprisingly okay for Ruffolo's standards, but not really "good" either.

Spotlight: Ultra Magnus (written by Furman; art by Robby Musso) features Ultra Magnus tracking down the notorious Decepticon arms trader Swindle, who, in exchange for his freedom, points Ultra Magnus to the whereabouts of his arch-nemesis, Scorponok, who is in cahoots with an industrialist from planet Nebulos (the story takes place prior to Stormbringer) named Mo Zarak. At the current point it's not confirmed, but there are hints that this issue might explain some of the backgrounds of the mysterious Machination group from Infiltration/Escalation. Story's okay, art's somewhat blocky.

Spotlight: Soundwave (written by Furman; art by Marcelo Matere) is a sequel of sorts to the Shockwave issue and a prequel to Stormbringer. In 1984, Soundwave follows Bludgeon and his cult to Earth, where he uncovers their plans to revive Thunderwing. So Soundwave and his cassettes must do the heroic thing and stop the rogue Decepticons from unleashing the cerature that destroyed Cybertron. Story's somewhat thin (but not necessarily bad), art suffers mostly from some severe scale inconsistencies.

Megatimus
2007-04-11, 06:12 PM
That's a good summary, here's the one I wrote, needless to say, on the Free Encyclopedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transformers_%28IDW_Publishing%29

Denyer
2007-04-11, 09:19 PM
I'm a bit more keen on more of the art, but I'd concur with most of Torsten's assessments.

Yeah, I think we've reached the point of wanting overviews in the comics section along with the full reviews.

Denyer
2007-04-11, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
Continuations of WW... Furman is said to be keen, but there's the twin issues of ongoing legal dispute over some DW material (not sure about the specifics) and IDW being more busy doing their own continuity/material.
By the by, bit of an update on that:

http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=366

If it can be cleared, the unpublished stuff might be serialised at Wildfur.

inflatable dalek
2007-04-21, 01:07 PM
It also seems that all the main continuity stuff up till the end of Escalation is going to be done in one big honking book, which might well be a ghood place to start Jets.

Denyer
2007-04-21, 01:31 PM
Infiltration, Stormbringer, the first five Spotlights and Escalation. Hardcover, probably works out cheaper than the individual issues.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FTransformers-Premiere-Vol-Hc%2Fdp%2F1600101186%2F&tag=virtualdebr04-21&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738

More info: http://idwpublishing.com/titles/tf-collections.shtml

inflatable dalek
2007-04-21, 01:34 PM
I might pick it up myself at some point, there's nothing I love more than big honking book.

Megatimus
2007-04-21, 01:39 PM
That'd be a great place for newcomers to start, if they can afford it.

LKW
2007-04-21, 02:56 PM
Just another note to Jetfire (or anyone else considering the new series) - Simon Furman is really at the top of his game here. Everything seems to have been very thoroughly thought-out, planned and plotted well in-advance. And his dialogue has grown immensely. I just received a couple more Titan UK trades in the mail (Way of the Warrior and Dinobot Hunt - the shipment was slowed a month while waiting for Amazon to get more copies of Space Pirates back in; they finally gave up and sent me the first two, saying that Pirates will take another month to come in), and while they're quite interesting, his dialogue has the largely familiar feel of much of his '80s writing. When I read the first issue or two of IDW's Infiltration, in contrast, I couldn't believe that Furman had written some of the dialogue there - very fresh and different from what he'd done before. And it's continued to avoid not just cliched Furmanisms, but any sort of familiarity of phrasing or pacing. Nice job of self-improvement on Mr. Furman's part, in my opinion.

Cliffjumper
2007-05-05, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
Infiltration, Stormbringer, the first five Spotlights and Escalation. Hardcover, probably works out cheaper than the individual issues.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FTransformers-Premiere-Vol-Hc%2Fdp%2F1600101186%2F&tag=virtualdebr04-21&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738

More info: http://idwpublishing.com/titles/tf-collections.shtml

Tempting, though hardbacks of six issues tend to be ungodly expensive... for £25~, though, I'd nab this. Not hopeful it'll be that cheap, though...

zigzagger
2007-05-07, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Denyer
Infiltration, Stormbringer, the first five Spotlights and Escalation. Hardcover, probably works out cheaper than the individual issues.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FTransformers-Premiere-Vol-Hc%2Fdp%2F1600101186%2F&tag=virtualdebr04-21&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738

More info: http://idwpublishing.com/titles/tf-collections.shtml

Hmm, really? Just might pick that up. True, I already own all those issues, but it would be nice to have them all in one neat little collection, rather than in a messy pile of 22-pagers - hardly bookshelf friendly.

Denyer
2007-05-07, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Tempting, though hardbacks of six issues tend to be ungodly expensive... for £25~, though, I'd nab this. Not hopeful it'll be that cheap, though... Almost... it's a shade over thirty ($63) at Amazon.com -- unlikely we'll get it at the US price though, because bookstores know we're mugs in this country.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=thetransforme-20&path=tg/detail/-/1600101186/

Cliffjumper
2007-05-07, 08:22 PM
Arsebiscuits. I'll plumb for the plain ol' Escalation trade, despite some c*nt doing his best to spoil it, and just stick with the singles, bypassing Hot Rod and Sixshot...

Denyer
2007-05-07, 08:53 PM
Hot Rod was very fun, IMO, Sixshot nothing special.

inflatable dalek
2007-05-08, 12:33 PM
Sixshot is also going to be essential to future storylines.

Denyer
2007-05-08, 12:41 PM
Doesn't make it a good issue, though -- and without getting into spoilers, Furman's going to have to recap the connection between Sixshot and [group].

thebatwoman616
2007-05-13, 01:41 AM
as someone who is not new to transformers but has just recently purchased many of the tpbs
i'm curious is there a certain order to read them in to understand the mythos? if so could someone please help me out
Thank you

Ozz
2007-05-13, 09:26 AM
Thing is, currently you have three (or four) different continuities available in TPBs.

1) American Marvel series from the 80s.
2) Brittish Marvel series from the 80s, issues of which were slotted in between reprinted American issues. You don't need UK one to read US one, but the UK one expands the US one and generally has better stories.
3) Various series published by DreamWave in 2002-2004.
4) The current one, publihsed by IDW.

Take a look in these links:

http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/marvel/reprints/
http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/dreamwave/
http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/

so that you find out which series you have bought, and then if you have more questions, we'll help. :)

The detailed reviews naturally contain spoilers, so consider yourself warned.

thebatwoman616
2007-05-13, 02:35 PM
Transformers vs G.I. Joe 1 and 2
Transformers Beast Wars The Gathering
Transformers Cybertron Balancing Act
Transformers Armada vol 1 and 2
Transformers The Animated Movie tpb
Transformers Gen 1 volume 1 and 2
Transformers Infiltration
Transformers Stormbringer
Transformers War Within volume 1 and 2

they all say they r IDW but that some of them were previously from dreamwave.
so if there is an order for these trades thanks for any more help anyone can give.

Denyer
2007-05-13, 09:31 PM
IDW are keeping material in print so that people who have holes in their collection (or just want something different) will be able to get it -- some of the Dreamwave books had low print runs because the company was heading into bankruptcy.

Of what you've got, I suggest these reading orders --

Transformers Infiltration
Transformers Stormbringer
^ These are new IDW continuity, which is ongoing and will continue in TPBs titled Spotlights and Escalation.

Transformers Beast Wars The Gathering
^ This is set in the continuity the American Beast Wars TV show was. There'll probably be more comics following on later this year, after the new movie hype dies down.

Transformers The Animated Movie tpb
^ This is an adaptation of the 1986 cartoon movie by IDW, released to coincide with its 20th anniversary.

Transformers Gen 1 volume 1
Transformers War Within volume 1
Transformers Gen 1 volume 2
Transformers War Within volume 2
^ These are Dreamwave's own continuity, which are fairly self-contained.

Transformers vs G.I. Joe 1 and 2
^ These were a collaboration between Dreamwave and Devil's Due. They're in continuity with each other.

Transformers Armada vol 1 and 2
^ These are fiction Dreamwave produced to tie into the Armada toyline by Hasbro.

Transformers Cybertron Balancing Act
^ This is a story produced by the official Transformers fan club, which has some continuity with other convention and fan club things but is essentially just a bunch of fight scenes and appearances by rare toys. The club is publishing it as a TPB with the assistance of IDW.

Most of the books aren't in the same universes/timelines.

Welcome to the board.

thebatwoman616
2007-05-13, 09:43 PM
Thank you to both posters who helped me out with the trades i really really appreciate it and if anyone has any other reading suggestions please feel free to let me know

thanks again

Denyer
2007-05-13, 10:00 PM
No problem. If you can find them (eg, Amazon) I'd recommend pretty much any of the books in the right-hand column on this page --

http://tfarchive.com/comics/marvel/reprints/

-- or the two G2 books underneath. "Way of the Warrior" would be a good volume to start with as it's cheap/small/portable/good. It's largely about a Decepticon who defects to the Autobots following the events in a big catastrophe. Even if you don't know some of the characters it should be easy enough to follow -- I managed it fine when I was younger and didn't, anyway. "Earthforce" is also particularly recommended, but the short stories in are often more whimsical or played for laughs. As with most things, it's a matter of personal taste.

I'll merge this into the general questions thread in a day or two:
http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37537

thebatwoman616
2007-05-13, 11:12 PM
Ok here is another question regarding the various cartoons
i'm only really into the gen 1 cartoon and watch that often.
but i was curious if Peter Cullen has always provided the voice of Optimus or if others took over the part as the different series were released?

Denyer
2007-05-13, 11:28 PM
He did the voice of the original American cartoon character up to ~1988. The Optimus Prime in the RiD/Armada/Energon/Cybertron cartoons (produced ~2000 and onwards) isn't the same character as the original one.

Hasbro keep reusing the name on toys (ditto Megatron, Starscream, etc) because people know it and because if they don't they'll lose the trademark.

thebatwoman616
2007-05-14, 02:45 AM
why are female tf's so few and seem to be disliked by male tf's, i always loved arcee and the other few girls that were in the g1 cartoon

inflatable dalek
2007-05-14, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
[B]Transformers The Animated Movie tpb
^ This is an adaptation of the 1986 cartoon movie by IDW, released to coincide with its 20th anniversary.[B]

You'd also be far better of watching the Movie than reading this stageringly bad adaption. In fact, you'd be better of watching the bit of damp in the cealing than reading this. Tis bobbins.

Denyer
2007-05-14, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by thebatwoman616
why are female tf's so few and seem to be disliked by male tf's, i always loved arcee and the other few girls that were in the g1 cartoon "Female" robots were added to the original show at the request of the TV networks at the time, who thought it would cross-market and win them a few more girls as fans. (Possibly after they saw the success of Masters Of The Universe and other shows. It'd also mean fewer squabbles in homes about what was going to be watched on TV, since in the early 80s multiple TVs in a household was less common.)

The "in show" reason was that Transformers were initially created by another alien race who sold them as servants and troops. Presumably the other races they were selling them to preferred some to look/act male, some female, etc. Then the TFs broke free from their creators, but some of the behavioural programming stuck.

Personally I like my robots a bit less human (i.e. without implied sex/dating, and without clichés such as female=pastel colours) and prefer the Marvel comics, where Transformers had a different origin, Arcee was built to try to improve public relations with humans, etc.

Most of the series since the 80s (Beast Wars, Cybertron, etc) have at least a couple of "female" robots as characters, but not enough to put the main demographic of preteen boys off the toys/cartoons. As with books and other forms of fiction, girls tend to relate better to "male" protagonists than boys do to "female" ones.

LKW
2007-05-14, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
You'd also be far better of watching the Movie than reading this stageringly bad adaption.

OTOH, in my opinion, thebatwoman616, the adaptation is better than the original movie in several ways. Dalek and I not seeing eye-to-eye on the series actually worked out well as we both reviewed it for this site, providing a nice pair of contrasting opinions. (As you've already bought the adaptation, you might want to wait until after you've read it before giving any look to our reviews, as they give away at least some highlights and changes.)

If nothing else, feel glad that you didn't get the old Marvel Comics adaptation. Now that was a truly, truly "staggeringly bad adaptation". In fact, Dalek should know better than to apply that phrase to anything else in a world where that thing exists ;)

Oh, and welcome to the Archive :)

Clogs
2007-05-15, 12:48 PM
Welcome, thebatwoman616! We need more grrls!

I have no idea where in the world you live, but if it's the UK, you should be able to pick up a lot of the TF tpbs at The Works for little more than a fiver a pop - less in many instances. That's how I've completed my collection!

Female Transformers? A sore point to some. Many of us have tried to rationalise this. Hang around with us long enough and I'm sure the topic will crop up many times!

:) :) :)

Sir Auros
2007-05-17, 12:06 AM
Yeah, Denyer, Hound, and myself beat that horse to death back in 2004.

EDIT - Here it is. (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27742)

Cliffjumper
2007-05-27, 06:43 PM
Gobots ****ing owned Transformers when it came to female characters. On every other front, the Gobot cartoon lost massively, like an animated version of Lancaster City, but no-one, but no-one, had robotits.

inflatable dalek
2007-05-27, 07:05 PM
So now Escalation is out in trade in all good shops how long before it gets the Clify treatment?

Cliffjumper
2007-05-27, 07:08 PM
Is it out? Dunno, loads of Tintin and Gobots to buy at the mo...

inflatable dalek
2007-05-27, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Is it out? Dunno, loads of Tintin and Gobots to buy at the mo...

It was in Forbiden Planet up Brum yesterday, with a slightly odd choice of the Hardhead/Adtrotrain cover. Surely you own all Go-Bots ever by now?

Denyer
2007-05-27, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Gobots ****ing owned Transformers when it came to female characters. It made far more sense in Gobots, since they used to be organics and uploaded themselves into robot bodies... (IIRC.)

Cliffjumper
2007-05-27, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
It made far more sense in Gobots, since they used to be organics and uploaded themselves into robot bodies... (IIRC.)

Though Crasher still wore make-up, which was odd as Pathfinder etc. didn't bother.

Didn't hurt that aside from the Worst Gobot Scene ever (imagine how bad that is for a minute) the gender of the Gobots was hardly referred to either way... Or that the girls acted, and were treated, pretty much the same as the others (i.e. they were ignored most of the time).

EDIT: And I'm still after Tail-Pipe (for which I need a lottery win and an unwitting dupe in America), Zod, a couple of Dread Launchers, a couple of Secret Riders and most of Monsterous. I think then I'll have all of the Western line... Well, apart from all the stuff Bandai just put out with "Robo Machine" on the box like Robo Kong, the Arm Machine and bloody Dancougar...

Denyer
2007-05-27, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Though Crasher still wore make-up, which was odd as Pathfinder etc. didn't bother. Are we sure Crasher wasn't just her world's Tim Curry? (If less talented.)

Cliffjumper
2007-05-27, 08:53 PM
http://tgr59ca.tripod.com/crasher/

No, not really...

inflatable dalek
2007-05-29, 01:12 PM
She actually looks more like she's wearing a Batman Forever style Robin mask...

*BARRAGE*
2007-05-30, 04:28 AM
I'l be honest, i am not as adept about transformers as i would like to be... that being stated, my buddy just mentioned to me that there was a comic out there set in wwI or wwII, and i am wondering where to find images of the version of these bots, if at all possible (help!)

DrSpengler
2007-05-30, 04:35 AM
It's possible he was referring to Dreamwave's GI Joe vs the Transformers miniseries that took place in WWII:

http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/dreamwave/guide/?s=tf_joe_vol_1

He might also have been confused and been thinking of Hearts of Steel, which took place during the Industrial Revolution:

http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/guide.php?s=heartsofsteel

inflatable dalek
2007-05-30, 03:30 PM
Niether one is really worth your time really. And strangely the characters in the Joe crossover tend to look more like walking junk heaps rather than the character designs you'll find in the trade.

Zisteau
2007-05-31, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Niether one is really worth your time really. And strangely the characters in the Joe crossover tend to look more like walking junk heaps rather than the character designs you'll find in the trade.

I thought the WWII TF/JIJoe crossover was fantastic. Its well worth the read, especially if you like Jae Lee's artwork.

Denyer
2007-05-31, 01:16 AM
I prefer "core" continuity books but enjoyed both series, personally.

inflatable dalek
2007-05-31, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Zisteau
I thought the WWII TF/JIJoe crossover was fantastic. Its well worth the read, especially if you like Jae Lee's artwork.

"And by droping the Matrix on the floor everyone dies".

Ballplayer
2007-07-03, 01:13 PM
Just read the Transformers Animated Movie adaption of IDW...

and I quite like it, too bad they didn't put some more stuff in like the Omega Supreme page at the ark.

Then I started thinking, might be cool if they would adapt other episodes as well... like Five Faces of Darkness, Ghost in the Machine or Dark Awakening...

They could even do an inbetween comic, between season 2 and the movie. Forget Scramble City this could be quite cool...

Not saying this should be a continous line, but some stories once and a while would be great.

so just a thought what do you guys think?

Chip1123
2007-11-21, 03:07 PM
Ok- so recently I was made aware of the difference in DW and IDW, as I had picked up both (the IDW reprints of the DW series). Which series are considered in each continuity?

I have picked up the Escalation and Infiltration series, as well as 2 War-Within Series and the book that contains Spotlight Shockwave, Ultra Magnus, Hot Rod, etc.

I also have the Beast Wars Gathering and Hearts of Steel - the TF's are all trains... kinda odd...

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Unicron
2007-11-21, 03:40 PM
War-Within is one of the Dreamwave series, and thus part of their continuity. Of course, with Dreamwave no longer existing, don't expect more from them.

Infiltration, Escalation, Devastation, and the Spotlights are all part of the main IDW Continuity.

Hearts of Steel is its own mini-series. If you're familiar with DCs Elseworlds stuff or Marvel's What If, that's basically what it is.

As for Beast Wars Gathering, thats a part of the Beast Wars continuity, I guess.

Halfshell
2007-11-21, 03:43 PM
IDW "G1" Continuity:
- Infiltration
- Stormbringer
- Spotlights (ongoing, one collection available)
- Escalation
- Devastation (ongoing)

- Megatron Origin (not yet collected)

IDW Beast Wars:
- The Gathering
- The Ascending (ongoing)
- Sourcebook (ongoing)

Other stuff:
- Evolutions: Hearts of Steel
- Live Action Movie Prequel
- Live Action Movie Adaptation
- Animated Movie Adaptation

There's also some stuff reprinted from other publishers (Marvel, Marvel UK, Dreamwave).
- Best of UK, Best of Dinobots, Generations, War Within, "Gen One, vol 2" etc

All the stuff that's reprints from another publisher is easy to spot, as it has a blue header to the TPB with "An IDW Production" (or something). Basically, if it's got that, it's not part of their main stuff.

Denyer
2007-11-21, 04:45 PM
Am I actually being that unclear (http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/) with the layout?

Chip1123
2007-11-21, 05:09 PM
never saw that page, sorry. thanks for helping guys!

Denyer
2007-11-25, 06:57 PM
I should probably make a token page for the DW TPB reprints, though, since it's IDW that's doing them and pages are there for their Marvel reprints...

Banzaitron
2007-12-01, 10:58 PM
I love me some Transformers comics, but I only buy the trade paperbacks (they're easier to take care of and have no ads) does anyone know when the Trade Paperbacks for the Beast Wars source books, Devestation, and any others are coming out?

zigzagger
2007-12-02, 01:00 AM
Well, the Beast Wars: Ascending and the second volume of Transformers: Spotlights TPBs are scheduled to ship February. Though, take into mind that because this information comes from IDW's solicitation page, the dates are tentative. But I'd imagine that they'll see release around that general ball park anyway. As for the Devastation and Beast Wars: Sourcebook TPBs, since they are both scheduled to end February, my guess would be between March and May, since that seems to be the pattern of TPB releases (that they follow a month or two after the individual issues conclude). That is just a guess, though. There's no confirmation when they will be just yet.

Banzaitron
2007-12-02, 01:20 AM
thanks zigzagger. Darn the long wait!

adamtrion
2008-02-04, 04:12 PM
I saw something about it on Amazon a couple of month ago but did hear anything abput it resently. Did IDW cancelled the TPB?

Denyer
2008-02-04, 05:05 PM
I know it went to the printers. Any delay is likely to be a result of international shipping and customs (i.e. the shipment of books getting to the US after being printed in another country.)

As far as I know the decision was made to print in colour rather than B&W, and a second volume will be out later in the year.

Amazon solicits are required six months in advance, which isn't a good fit with the comics industry. Amazon also don't usually update information when it's made available.

Ravage
2008-02-10, 02:54 PM
Picked up the TPB yesturday enjoyed Megatron Origins going to Read Stormbringer 2 sometime but I do rather enjoy the designs for the G1 Transformers in it.

Wish I could find Strombringer 1, are there any other TPBs I should keep an eye out for or amazon?

Denyer
2008-02-10, 04:28 PM
Wish I could find Strombringer 1
I think you've got it a bit confused... Stormbringer is the name of the second story.

Currently it's --

Infiltration
Stormbringer
Escalation
Devastation

And the following fit in around those stories --

Spotlights Volume 1
Spotlights Volume 2
Megatron Origin

More info (the box at the top left) -- http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/

Halfshell
2008-02-10, 05:27 PM
enjoyed Megatron Origins

Get off of my intarwebz.

Spotlight 1 was published between/alongside Stormbringer and Escalation. Spotlight 2 alongside/after Escalation.

Prob best to read SL1 between Storm and Esc, SL2 between Esc and Dev.

Ravage
2008-02-11, 04:50 AM
Oh didn't know that :)

Thanks for the updates, either way though I've enjoyed the storylines even if I seem to be in the middle of the line :)

Starfield
2008-02-18, 10:37 PM
I'm new to buying comic in the comic shop. What does it mean that Spotlight: Arcee is due out on Wednesday? Can I expect it to be in the store a couple of days later?

Thanks!

Denyer
2008-02-18, 10:42 PM
In the US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. Thursday is usually a fairly safe bet. Not sure about distribution in the rest of the world.

Where're you? :)

Starfield
2008-02-18, 10:47 PM
In the US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. Thursday is usually a fairly safe bet. Not sure about distribution in the rest of the world.

Where're you? :)Thanks!

I'm from Michigan

DestronPrime
2008-05-07, 11:29 PM
Michigan pratically equals Canada in this type of equation so, yeah Thursdays good. Now I've bought comics before, but I usually stick to one-shots and miniseries, so how should I go about buying the IDW series. I know about the barcode thing but there's that compilation for the for Infiltration 0-6, Stormbringer 1-4, Spotlights 1-5, Escalation 1-6. Or I could just buy them all seperately... Which would obviously cost more.

Also can I get the Spotlights, without spoiling too much, because I know they fall into the story fairly prominently but is it that bad?

Denyer
2008-05-07, 11:46 PM
The first volume of spotlights is pretty standalone. Several in the second volume tie into Stormbringer and Escalation somewhat. It depends on how much you care about spoilers; they aren't major ones, really, mostly things like who's involved and where they are...

For someone just starting out, I'd suggest borrowing/downloading a bit of stuff to establish whether you like the general vibe -- ideally a mix of Earth and non-Earth stuff -- then getting the big hardback from somewhere such as Amazon that'll give you a respectable discount and free shipping. Gets you caught up on a large chunk of story in a nice package.

DestronPrime
2008-05-08, 09:43 PM
Alright, well I think I'll get them all seperately, in the end, since I'm actually not paying too much more, and I don't like reading a book that I can't actually hold. Heh. Also I've read a bunch of the previews, and I like it.

Denyer
2008-05-08, 10:21 PM
I don't like reading a book that I can't actually hold. Heh.
Yeah, some people just aren't keen on huge books, like portable stuff, etc.

Escalation's between print runs at the moment, but it looks as if Amazon.ca marketplace has some for reasonable prices. Actually, get all four (or most) from Amazon directly and it should be cheaper than the hardback if my math's okay.

Purple-is-Evil
2008-05-28, 07:52 PM
why are female tf's so few and seem to be disliked by male tf's, i always loved arcee and the other few girls that were in the g1 cartoon


Arcee has her own spotlight coming up doesn't she? I liked her... I even like the new bike toy she has out..

That said I really like what IDW is doing. Sometimes the writting is a bit confusing, and for someone just starting out finding the order can be a little off.

Did anyone else think of Hearts of Steel, whose plot I found lacking but designs HOT, kind of like the Marvel "What if" series?

About the IDW comics though, I had read spotlight I, then Hearts of Steel, then Megatron Orgins (dear lord when I saw they were coming out with that I thought my eyes would fly out of my head). I had no idea they were parts of the new IDW universe, namely Escalation and what not. That said I still enjoyed the spotlights a lot.

So far there are a few plot holes and continuity issues...

I think its nice that they are restarting the series, the artwork is just wow over all. I spend hours just looking at that a lot of the time.:D

Hmm I haven't picked up Strombringer yet, is that a good read?

Denyer
2008-05-28, 08:02 PM
Arcee hit stores in February. :)

Hearts of Steel I found entertaining enough fluff, and wasn't let down by the wrap-up. Not really a big fan of alt-universe stuff of any description. Stormbringer fits well with Infiltration, showing the broader scope of the war.

The publishing order and lack of official guidance for how things fit together has been brought up more than a few times -- I think IDW wants to give the impression it can be read in any order, which is at odds with how most comics geeks actually approach a title. We like structure and knowing where things fit in. The upcoming "All Hail Megatron" storyline is aimed at being a jumping on point.

Blackjack
2008-05-29, 11:03 AM
Okay... Here's a little speculation.

Megatron and Galvatron are now different characteres, and I'm thrilled by it, instead of the normally reincarnation stock storylines.

Here's a thought... Will Bumblebee and Goldbug be the same characters? Howabout Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime? or Optimus Prime and Powermaster Prime?

Post your thoughts here...

Rack 'n Ruin
2008-05-29, 11:11 AM
Scooby & the gang will all turn up in Clay's Mystery Machine and reveal that everyone (yes, absolutely everyone) is in fact that nice old caretaker, Mr. Feeny, wearing a mask.

Curses! He would have got away with it if it weren't for those pesky kids!

Cliffjumper
2008-05-29, 12:38 PM
I'd be very surprised if we saw any of those others, TBH. The difference is Megatron and Galvatron have always been shown to be largely separate characters anyway - beyond Galvatron having Megatron's memories, and a few design simularities, there's not much to actually connect them without the stories.

The others are less distinct - Goldbug is simply Bumblebee in a new body, and the name-change is pretty arbitrary (I mean, I'm not even sure why Hasbro actually bothered)... he arguably gets a bit more confidence from having a face that looks like a radiator, but beyond that...

Physical attributes aside, PM Prime is also just Prime upgraded. I don't think Furman's fan-wanky enough to include God Ginrai either - while he is all about recycling ideas, they tend to be his own ones from the 1980s (or Bob Budiansky's that he nicked in the 1980s). Segue - who else breathed a huge sigh of relief when Nemesis Prime was shown to not be some sort of Black Optimus?

Rodimus is basically just Hot Rod grown up too - again, little grounds for a distinct personality. I don't think they'll use him at all, TBH, unless Furmn does some crazy "the whole story's been a flashback from the future" thing, and if they did they'd use the Hot Rod link for narrative purposes. Also, in character model form, Rodimus has always looked too close to Hot Rod for it to be pulled off without being confusing.

Starfield
2008-05-29, 02:00 PM
Interesting thought about Goldbug. I think it would be more likely if the Throttlebots were being used as some sort of special team. Goldbug could just show up as part of the team. But there hasn't been much special teamy stuff so far and I kind of like it that way.

If you think about it in terms of altmode, however, Goldbug is another yellow Beetle. E. J. Su already redesigned Bumblebee, he would have to come up with some way to make another yellow Beetle distinctive (maybe make him shiny gold colored) or just give him a Cybertronian altmode.

Oh, one more thing, Bumblebee doesn't have the insecrue youngster personality this time, so there would be little point to a more mature upgrade, which would make the Goldbug concept pretty useless unless it was a separate character, meaning Goldbug is free to be used. I think it would be cool if they used him.

Edit: Give Goldbug Bumblebee's G1 cartoon Cybertronian mode. That would be sweet! Edit 2: And make a toy! :D

Blackjack
2008-05-29, 11:59 PM
Makes sense, Cliffjumper...:)

Blackjack
2008-05-30, 12:04 AM
Yet another speculation from me...

I am wondering. Ever since Transformers first come out, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe is ALWAYS been twin brothers, although never explained why. (Other than a short 'spark-splitting' explanation in MTMTE or Ultimate Guide... I forgot which)

Now in IDW, ol' Sunny is a Headmaster. Sideswipe will have a Revelations spotlight soon, and I am wondering.

The way to explain the twin relationship of them? Make Sideswipe a headmaster. Who is the partner? Hunter's twin brother, of course.

That way, Simon Furman can easily explain the brotherly relationship between them. Just a thought.

Civ
2008-05-30, 12:08 AM
Hunter has a twin brother? And why must Sunstreaker and Sideswipe be brothers in this continuity? Simply because it's always been that way for G1 Swipe and Sunny doesn't mean it has to continue. A close connection is fine like really good best friends but I don't see why they have to be brothers.

Blackjack
2008-05-30, 12:09 AM
:)Just a speculation of what Furman might do if he wants to make them brothers.

And no, Hunter doesn't have a twin brother. At least until Furman introduced him.

Denyer
2008-05-30, 12:24 AM
I've never seen the 'brotherly' bond as anything more than being constructed at the same time (or roughly at the same time) and then fighting and sharing other experiences together in the face of adversity. The Wreckers could be described as a fraternity, but I don't think any of the relationships need to be direct analogues of the familial and other groupings/links flesh creatures have. In this case, it's easy to take it as non-figurative language for the IDWverse.

Damolisher
2008-05-30, 02:48 AM
Well, they are lifeforms, which means it was done via robosex... *Gets shot*

Seriously, yeah, I've always used the "whoever created them is their parent" thing in my fanfictions, but I dunno what Furman'd do.

Civ
2008-05-30, 03:16 AM
I dunno what Furman'd do.

Maybe another experiment done by Jhiaxus? Sorta like what he did to Arcee.

Damolisher
2008-05-30, 03:20 AM
That too is a good idea.

inflatable dalek
2008-05-30, 06:48 AM
Well, they are lifeforms, which means it was done via robosex... *Gets shot*

Old, very old.


For what it's worth, Hail and Farewell only mentions Hunter having a sister.

starlord
2008-05-30, 07:00 AM
This sounds a lot like Starscream's twin Sunstorm.

Halfshell
2008-05-30, 07:57 AM
The notion of Sideswipe and Sunstreaker as brothers predates Sunstorm by a looooong way.

Unicron
2008-05-31, 01:29 AM
I suppose if they wanted, that whole Magnificence thing could be used to give Hot Rod the "pimping out" into Rodimus without having to involve the Matrix. Could be interesting if he starts running around, calling himself Prime for no good reason, being drunk on power.

But then I remember I'm an idiot...

starlord
2008-05-31, 02:10 AM
There has been speculation that megs and galvy also were two different characters since galvy has mental problems.He actually might not be the future Megatron only thinks he is like someone who thinks he is george washington or Jesus Christ.

Blackjack
2008-06-03, 09:55 AM
Yep, I think Sunny and Swipey are experiments, created by Jhiaxus but not knowing that they are, and it will be revealed in Revelations: Sideswipe. That would make a good story.

On the other hand, it is not too hard to introduce Hunter's sibling without any fuss. Prime example: Marvel's Spike Witwicky, created for Fort Max.

I know this sounds dumb, but what is Hail and Farewell?

Halfshell
2008-06-03, 10:05 AM
Furman-written Mosaic.

http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/mosaic-a-go-go/

Prowl1984
2008-07-04, 07:06 PM
ok, i've recently decided to start buying the IDW G1 tpb's. i had no trouble in acquiring infiltration, a simple amazon marketplace jobbie, but when it came to ordering Spotlight V1 and Stormbringer they were either unavailable or would take loads of time to arrive. stormbringer's taking about 7 weeks from forbidden planet and i just can't seem to get hold of Spotlight unless i order from the states which i prefer not to do. my local comicbook shop doesn't have them and neither do any of the ones in cardiff. it seems to be that these are the only two that aren't easily available, does anyone happen to know if they're being reprinted or something?

Denyer
2008-07-04, 07:26 PM
Yeah, stuff'll get reprinted -- IDW's generally very good about keeping material in circulation... it's likely to be a problem with communication between the Diamond Books distribution folks (which is separate from the comics division) and the publisher. Means there's a bit of a gap before new stock is ordered. Plus Amazon's communication with warehouses is, in and of itself, quite prone to delays.

I can mail someone and try to find out if they actually are in print -- if you live near one it's worth showing the ISBN number to a local bookstore who can order things in, as this may just be Amazon's organisation.

Likewise Infiltration seems to be out of stock for Amazon UK, but in for Amazon US.

inflatable dalek
2008-07-04, 09:20 PM
When I was getting a couple of the books, including Spotlight V1 as Christmas presents I found it impossible to get Escalation and had to go via Ebay in the end.

[I'm going to move this into new comics, but not merge it with the pre-existing volume 1 thread incase people avoiding spoilers want to ask about availability as well]

Prowl1984
2008-07-04, 09:21 PM
ahh cheers for the info! looks like i'll have to wait it out! unfortunately there aren't any "local" bookstores near me asides from major ones like waterstones who have failed to acquire it1 may take the isbn into WHSmith though and see if they have any luck!

inflatable dalek
2008-07-04, 09:28 PM
And now I think of it, my Mate has had to make his last few purchases from his local Forbidden Planet, the normal bookshops don't seem to be carrying the IDW trades at all now (I think something about distribution rights with regards to titan's stuff was mentioned a while back, can't recall exactly though).

Dinobot
2008-08-07, 10:30 PM
Haven't read IDW yet - can it be fitted in with the Marvel series (or any other continuity for that matter) or is it its own universe?

Halfshell
2008-08-07, 10:35 PM
No.

No way, shape or form.

Complete reboot.

Dinobot
2008-08-07, 10:50 PM
Good to know.:up:

Prowl1984
2008-09-14, 07:40 PM
why is it so goddamn hard toget hold of spotlight volume 1 and escalation in tpb??? it's driving me up the wall, i got infiltration and stormbringer easily but i just can't get hold of the other two, not even ebay or IDW have them. does anyone know of any other channels i can go through asides from amazon and forbidden planet international?

secretcode
2008-09-14, 07:53 PM
BarnesandNoble.com worked for me a few weeks back.

Old Peter
2008-09-14, 08:05 PM
I got mine a month ago from Borders.com.

Old Peter

inflatable dalek
2008-09-14, 08:15 PM
They're still hard to get in the UK? I had a similar problem getting Escalation as a Christmas present, went down the Ebay route in the end. I'd just assumed it was between print runs.

-Mainframe-
2008-09-15, 08:03 AM
Comic shop (http://www.oneshallstand.com/shop.html)

Denyer
2008-09-15, 11:16 AM
Steve doesn't tend to stock TPBs...

Prowl1984
2008-09-15, 11:28 AM
cheers guys, just ordered spotlight volume 1 from borders, just need to get escalation on payday or when i go to london next week and i'll be sorted! they're the only two that seem to be constantly out of stock!

Grufflock
2008-10-17, 01:47 PM
I've just finished Spotlight:Sideswipe, and I loved it. I could spend ages talking about what was good and what was not, but I think thats been covered a fair bit.

As all that seems to be coming out for a while now is AHM and Movieverse stuff, I think I'm gonna take a backseat and wait until Maxy Dinos gets out there. AHM, IMHO is not worth the monthy buy, and I've never really been a fan of the movie comics.


Unless AHM starts giving out free IDW-based Classic Fortress Maximus......


Thoughts?

zigzagger
2008-10-17, 02:21 PM
As all that seems to be coming out for a while now is AHM and Movieverse stuff, I think I'm gonna take a backseat and wait until Maxy Dinos gets out there.
Well, you won't be taking backseat for too long really - it arrives early December.

Revelation - Well, given the restraints it had to overcome, the first two issues were quite enjoyable I thought, while the last two (to echo so many others and myself) should've went towards the more obvious choices of characters to spotlight. The unexpected appearance of - what I'm slowly coming to admit as - an ill-conceived plot-device (< lacking a proper word here) that showed up out of nowhere didn't help matters, I felt. As far as how it could've been executed - ehhhh - I'm feeling lazy, and Dalek explained it well in the Sideswipe thread. It was fine though.

As for AHM....Yeah, its complete bilge, if not semi-decent eye candy. But the masochist is me is curious as to how McCarthy will handle the Autobots in the next two issues (though this Drift fellow doesn't interest me in the slightest). To me, AHM is like walking past a scene of a gory accident - it's gruesome, but I can't help but look. I've set the bar pretty low, anyway. I won't be completely taken off guard if it resorts to the usual Sunbowisms and machismo characterisations. Might get a good laugh out of it.

Commander Shockwav
2008-10-17, 02:40 PM
Definitely sticking with IDW's Transformers.

Not a movieverse fan myself either.

But for the past two years, IDW has given us some decent reads, with occasional great ones. We've got Maximum Dinobots coming up as well as The Thirteen.

And yes, I'm still holding out hope that AHM will evolve into something worthwhile, as I do see potential there. I see what Shane is going for, I've enjoyed some of the character portrayals and the dialogue. There's still a chance to save face.

So yes, I'm still in.

Terome
2008-10-17, 05:01 PM
I've been reading AHM in the shop since the second issue, but with the Animated comic (Man, 'Animated,' as a subtitle, really hasn't grown on me) being pretty enjoyable, Maximum Dinobots looking to be interesting and the Spotlights going back to their regular format, I'll be sinking my patronage into the company itself for a while longer. Though I'm not holding out much hope for The Thirteen being anything other than the usual multiverse balls.

NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE
2008-10-17, 05:11 PM
I'm enjoying it so far, I still need to get to the comic store to pick up Sideswipe.

While the Movieverse is a little uninteresting I don't mind reading it.

Now those Animated books....:wall:

Knightdramon
2008-10-17, 05:44 PM
Personally, can't wait for the movieverse comics, want to see how AHM goes on and am curious about Max dinobots. So no break for me, at all.

Grufflock
2008-10-17, 06:13 PM
Well, you won't be taking backseat for too long really - it arrives early December.

Just realised I'd read the information there wrong. Thought it wasn't out till next year..... same with spotlight Blur


(Man, 'Animated,' as a subtitle, really hasn't grown on me)

I read it as TFA and think about it being a comic based on these forums......

Basicly, if AHM starts picking up, I'll get all excited and start getting back issues, but the feeling of the slap in the face that AHM is really annoys me.. after all, the Tion saga (for saga it is) was Target 2006 good. It was better than both TWW and the fantastic Worlds Collide storyline, both of which I perversely class as comics greatness. Then we ignore the rest of DW.

I don't see, with Tion ending so abruptly, how either Maxy Dinos or 13 can resolve any of the threads, but thats just be being pessimistic.

Denyer
2008-10-19, 09:42 PM
Anybody else done with IDW?
No, just with AHM from what I've seen of it. IMO it's extremely poor entertainment value for money as singles, and there isn't any reason to pick it up in trade either unless the writing improves.

Hennessy
2008-10-19, 10:47 PM
Not a fan of the movieverse, but sticking with AHM. Looking forward to MD and The 13.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-20, 07:56 AM
Well, I've expressed some of my increasing apathy elsewhere at length. I am continuing to enjoy the Titan comic for what it is though, good knock around harmless fun. The the quality from issue to issue can be all over the place for some reason it comes out on top enough to make it a enjoyable read. If only they weren't reprinting Origin...

But no, I'm keeping with them due to me firmly expecting them not to be around much longer (though the fact they're guarenteed a sales bump for the film stuff every couple of years may keep 'em churning the stuff out). Still, at least we got a few years and some decent comics out of them. If I were a GI Joe fan I'd be very concerned at getting even that much by their Kamikarzi plan to lauch the range with 50 titles.

You know, considering I'm enough of a Doctor Who comics completeist to be buying Battles In Time every fortnight but have never had any interest in any of IDW's stuff whatsoever says a lot about how little I care for anything they do at this stage.

zigzagger
2008-10-20, 11:45 AM
Yeah. And to continue on from my earlier list, the only title that even has me remotely interested at the moment is Maximum Dinobots. I'll wait and see how that all wraps up before I throw my hands up in defeat. Quite honestly, the whole Thirteen palaver has me wanting to run for cover. It scares me. It scares me a lot.

Denyer
2008-10-20, 05:43 PM
You know, considering I'm enough of a Doctor Who comics completeist to be buying Battles In Time every fortnight but have never had any interest in any of IDW's stuff whatsoever says a lot about how little I care for anything they do at this stage.
The Forgotten seems fun from the bits I've skimmed. Will probably check it out in trade. Know anything about Morrison's run on the old Who comics?

DrSpengler
2008-10-20, 06:33 PM
I have a really hard time letting go of books that I've been subscribed to for a long period of time. After a fashion I just buy the book out of loyalty/collector's syndrome, regardless of quality. It took all my might to drop Army of Darkness and Cable & Deadpool, books that had just gotten so terrible I hadn't enjoyed nearly a year's worth of stories.

With IDW, I've gradually started weening myself off their secondary Transformers titles. I dropped all the Movieverse books (when they had two movieverse titles out at a once, I figured it was time to put my foot down). I own scans of most of their Best of UK reprints and the actual issues for most of their Classics stuff, so I've no interest in them.

I'll keep reading their Animated title, but only because that one has been really good.

As for the main Transformers continuity? I dunno. Even with all the behind the scenes malarky that went on, I still feel like Revelations was a downright terrible read. All Hail Megatron has been underwhelming, too. I don't even know what to think of Maximum Dinobots.

I may drop the books, but it won't be easy. If IDW would just consolidate their main continuity to a single title, I would be so much happier. Alas, that sort of thing has never been in their business plan.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-20, 07:43 PM
The Forgotten seems fun from the bits I've skimmed. Will probably check it out in trade.

The problem I had with the first series they did is it was written by Gary Russell. Splendid chap, excellent editor, script editor producer and child actor but everything he's directly written I've found to be complete and utter crap. The framing sequence of The Forgotten put me off, partially because it reaked of a cop out lack of confidence in just doing a Doctor Spotlight comic without having to shove Tennant in every issue, but mainly because its the same "amnisiac Doctor relives past adventures to regain memory" idea as The Eight Doctors. Never a good idea, especially as the memory loss Doctor has been done to death in the last ten years across the various spin offs as different writers tried desperately to take something from the TV movie they could use as a starting point.


Know anything about Morrison's run on the old Who comics?


Two stories, one of which is a enjoyable but throwaway jaunt through the Tardis and the other is completely and utterly insane fanwankfest to the point you suspect its a giant piss take (and some of the plastering over continuity issues makes no sense, the Cybermen in The Invasion don't recognise the Doctor and Jamie from their auras, they recognise them from photographs). If they're colouring Ridgeways art (which is intended to be read in B&W and won't look as good in colour) your best off spending a bit more on the trade which also gives you several other strips, inclduing a couple of Furman ones.

I'd actually forgotten about The 13, and like Ziggy I share that sinking feeling about it. If nothing else, the implication across several of the issues so far that Cybertron had a similar origin to Gorlam Prime is a lot more interesting and subtle than any rehash would have been.

Red Dave Prime
2008-10-21, 09:31 AM
I tend not to buy the movie titles because I havent really gotten into the universe it represents. Animated looks lovely but I havent gotten any appeall for reading a comic based on it (the show itself is childishly fun enough :swirly:) As for the main book..

I think I like it because its Transformers. The quality is a bit all over the place in terms of scriping and I agree with the above points about revelations that despite all the background going-ons, they could have done a better job. A lot of the problems with pacing came about because of plot points within the four issues themselves.

If I was to judge the IDW comics on being Transformer comics, their fun and I dont mind the faults as I'm only getting a new issue every month or so. But compared to other comics, the series is lacking in character development, plot and dialogue.

Memorable characters from the furman run that arent influenced by what you read/ saw in other series? I'd be pushed to think of many. Arcee was interesting, Cyclonus was good, the initial megatron & soundwave charcters was good and then I struggle. The plots have been good but in trying to have so much going on I felt that plots became more simplistic and therefore less interesting. When you think of how infiltration started (all serious) and then by the end the ultra-covert decepticons base is shown to be A HUGE METAL FORTRESS BULIT INTO A M'F**KING WALL WITH A GIANT PURPLE F**KING LOGO ON IT... . I've also felt that furman writes almost as if its a hollywood script and he's worried about the FX budget. Its a comic book format man, use it!

As for all AHM? I see it as being no more or less then furmans work. It keeps me reading and I want to see what happens. But I couldnt recommend it to non-tf comic fans. Much like the rest of IDWs output.

Denyer
2008-10-21, 05:37 PM
The framing sequence of The Forgotten put me off, partially because it reaked of a cop out lack of confidence in just doing a Doctor Spotlight comic without having to shove Tennant in every issue, but mainly because its the same "amnisiac Doctor relives past adventures to regain memory" idea as The Eight Doctors. Never a good idea, especially as the memory loss Doctor has been done to death in the last ten years across the various spin offs as different writers tried desperately to take something from the TV movie they could use as a starting point.
Hmm. Not having delved that far into the TV series, I rather like the idea of having comic book visuals to go with the story... kinda like with New Frontier.

snavej
2008-10-21, 06:19 PM
'A HUGE METAL FORTRESS BULIT INTO A M'F**KING WALL WITH A GIANT PURPLE F**KING LOGO ON IT.'

Yeah, for God's sake Furman, what were you thinking? Put the damned thing deep underground! The Autobots put their ship in a big lake, which was considerably better than in plain sight!

Bond villains were quite often much better at hiding their bases.

Denyer
2008-10-21, 06:34 PM
When you think of how infiltration started (all serious) and then by the end the ultra-covert decepticons base is shown to be A HUGE METAL FORTRESS BULIT INTO A M'F**KING WALL WITH A GIANT PURPLE F**KING LOGO ON IT...
Starscream discovered the energon ore and moved from the previous more concealed base -- seeing little reason to hide activities. Megs felt similarly once juiced up on the end product.

They've also got sensor jammers, holographic tech, etc.

snavej
2008-10-22, 02:43 PM
True, they have that power and technology. Perhaps the cloaking should have been reflected in the artistic depiction of the base: a hazy look or dotted lines are the usual methods. I was confused and so were other readers, probably. I was worried that a hiker or someone in a small plane would find the base, alert the military and thus start an attack.

Tramp
2008-10-25, 07:00 AM
Me? I'm definitely looking forward to The Thirteen. The complete origin story has never been fully told yet, only bits and pieces, and I, for one, really want the whole story told.

Catalyst Dragon
2008-11-02, 10:54 PM
OK so I've never really been a comic book reader and I've only read two or three TF comics (Spotlight: Ramjet #1 & 2 of the 2007 movie), so...

If I wanted to start with a series that is G1 style, what would you guys suggest?

Preferably one that is finished(i.e. all issuse have been printed.)

Terome
2008-11-03, 12:15 AM
There's enough of the IDW run to keep you occupied for an afternoon or two ...

Here's (http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/roadmap.php) the roadmap to the individual issues. Basically, start with 'Infiltration,' then move onto 'Spotlight: Volume One,' then 'Stormbringer' and get back to us with your progress.

As for why you should be reading these: It is (or was - it's currently going through a bit of a rough patch) probably the most coherent and interesting series of Transformers comics that are close to hand. And they boast a lot of strong art from E.J Su, Nick Roche and M.D Bright. The Ramjet Spotlight you read was set in this same continuity, but it was just a fun standalone story and not really representative of the bulk of the continuum.

poyguimogul
2008-11-03, 01:44 AM
Dreamwave Transformers G1 Vol.1 + Vol.2
*also available from IDW. Drawn by Pat Lee

For the first Vol.1 the individual Issue #1 is better then the TPB as there is a build up, that is seperated by an advertisement, that is really nice suspense builder. The tpb lacks the advertisement, so the effect is lost.

Denyer
2008-11-03, 07:45 AM
If I wanted to start with a series that is G1 style, what would you guys suggest?

Preferably one that is finished(i.e. all issuse have been printed.)
Dreamwave certainly qualifies, being cancelled due to bankruptcy, but it's pretty bollocks.

I'd suggest picking up Infiltration and Stormbringer and seeing if you like them.

Starfield
2008-11-03, 08:05 PM
How is the Devil's Due G.I. Joe crossover?

Denyer
2008-11-03, 08:09 PM
It depends how much you like throwaway fluff. Taken for what it is, it's probably quite fun. The same could be said for Dreamwave's G1 series (except DWG1 has some pretty godawfully proportioned art for the first two volumes.) Black Horizon in particular is wacky as anything...

Catalyst Dragon
2008-11-03, 08:37 PM
I saw this UK TF that had the Dinobots on the cover, I didn't really like the artwork in it. I don't know what for sure but it just irked me.

Denyer
2008-11-03, 08:48 PM
http://tfarchive.com/comics/marvel/?s=uk_041_050#47

Dinobot Hunt is a very early UK story, back before standard art models were established.

Story-wise it's pretty decent...

http://tfarchive.com/comics/titan/reprints/review.php?tpb=dinobothunt

(IDW have their own TPB, which basically just adds a US story to the contents IIRC. I need to go back and fill in some site pages for IDW series when I have time.)

zigzagger
2008-11-03, 10:18 PM
And here's an additional opinion....

How is the Devil's Due G.I. Joe crossover?

As far as the Devil's Due stuff goes, which I finally got around to reading, if you keep in mind that it's meant (at least how I read them) to be empty but campy Joe-centric fun, they're harmless enough. Though, having also finally gotten around to reading the infamous "Combat Ratchet" story from the 2nd volume myself, I nearly had a conniption fit - but I guess it was meant to show the versatility of the character, so whatever. Over the top and kind of fun, but don't expect anything profound (edit: I personally wasn't a fan of them, but horses for courses and all that jazz). If I had to chose one of the more relatively recent Joe/TF crossovers, I'd probably have to go with the Dreamwave 1st volume run. There were a few shortcomings (particularly the haphazard conclusion), but it was enjoyable enough, it kind of has a "dark" and gritty premise, and if you like eye-candy, Jae Lee's pencils are quite sharp - so I thought. However, availability of the trade seems scarce from what I can tell.

As for the other IDW reprints of the Dreamwave volumes - Personally, I'd wait for the 3rd Volume to be released (edit: it's the Sunstorm saga, due sometime early next year). Surprisingly alright reading, has some nice character focus, plus Superstar Pat Lee at this point is no longer penciling (unless you include the bits he did in #0. I'm not even sure that will be included with upcoming trade or not). Plenty folks seemed to like the War Within series (Volumes 1 and 2), though I was kind of impartial to them. Pity about Volume 3, it seemed to be moving in a fairly decent direction before the aforementioned bankruptcy. Don't expect it to be reissued any time soon though, but with a little sleuthing the individual 3 issues can be found easily enough.

As far as IDW trades - I'll have to echo what has already been recommended. Start with Stormbringer and Infiltration to get a feel for things, then go on from there. It comes with my recommendations, but there have been plenty of duly notable gripes from some. Gauge it for yourself, really :)

starlord
2008-12-27, 08:31 AM
Is there and do you feel uncomfortable about it?

Cliffjumper
2008-12-27, 09:04 AM
I badly want a shot of whatever you're having.

inflatable dalek
2008-12-27, 11:39 AM
I am frequently disapointed whenever there's dialouge suggestive of a good comic only for it all to go tits up soon after.

Ackula
2008-12-27, 12:15 PM
this thread is highly suggestive to me as to why i need to stop drinking and reading these posts, lest my brain oozes from its socket

Blackjack
2008-12-27, 02:47 PM
suggestive language? What do you mean?