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inflatable dalek
2006-12-31, 04:25 PM
Mod note: if you're not up-to-date on your reading and want to remain spoiler-free, this isn't the thread for you. Feel free to start a new thread in this forum and it'll be merged only after the question(s) have been answered and conversation has run its course. :)

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Well, we've now had our first full year of IDW's Formies output, with...errr twentyish new comics, a fair few reprints and the demonspawn that is the Movie adaption.

So are we all liking it so far? What've then done well? What have they buggered up and what do we want in 2007?

Denyer
2006-12-31, 05:04 PM
I enjoyed Infiltration, though I think if it could've been stage-managed that way, three double size issues would've reduced a lot of the frustrations people had with it. There were problems either with deadlines or the colouring work, but I felt it captured the "robots in disguise" storyline it was aiming for and am glad that a mainly non-explosions arc was given chance in the most appropriate place.

First three spotlights I've thoroughly enjoyed, ditto Escalation so far. Stormbringer was put together very competently, and gave us the "stuff on other planets" to back Infiltration up, but its main plot points were supporting -- i.e. that Cybertron's uninhabitable in this continuity, super energon -- rather than dramatically moving the story forwards.

Beast Wars left me rather cold with the time travel and phasing plot devices, plus a lot of characters stuffed in... felt a bit like the Dreamwave BW plot outline with some stuff cut out. Beautiful visuals.

Hearts of Steel was fun. Doesn't leave me eagerly anticipating further Evolutions stories, and my main interest is core continuity, but it didn't annoy me to the extent it seems to have some others. Different expectations?

Generations has yet to reprint anything that interests me. Whilst the upcoming Target: 2006 is a good pick for most Americans who won't have read it, I do hope things move forward to reprint genuinely rare material that would get people excited about the title.

I think there's still time to salvage the Animated Movie comic for those not satisfied with a straightforward adaptation: do a single (possibly double size) Evolutions book that fills in the gap between the end of the show second season and the movie...

Personally I'd probably go with the following points...

- first-person narrative "how did it all change so quickly?" (possibly by Prime? whilst on a moonbase waiting for things to be ready?)
- flashback to war on Earth intensifying, some major casualties on both sides (Aerialbots, Stunticons, etc. stasis-locked and stacked in life support pods.)
- flashback: an energy source discovered by Shockwave ends the fuel crisis; the Decepticons abandon Earth and strengthen their grip on Cybertron. The Autobots prove their peaceful intentions to Earth's governments and give the appearance of building and fortifying Autobot City in case the Decepticons return.
- flashback: the Autobots track a distress signal to the edge of the galaxy... hey look, it's Magnus, Kup, Springer and everyone else. With this sudden increased manpower, they're also able to covertly establish production facilities on Cybertron's moons.
- end first-person narrative
- back to present: the Decepticons have been keeping tabs for some time, waiting for the best moment to strike.

I love the fact IDW put themselves out there as people rather than a company front, and they've done a good job of drip-feeding news, new artwork and announcements so that there's always something added to check back for.

I think they may have underestimated how confusing the multiple titles and multiple numbering issue (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37537) is for the average punter who's standing in a comics shop looking at the racks and trying to work out what books they should pick up. That's something I'd like to see worked on in 2007. Fan sites are all very well, but only a fraction of the possible audience is checking out that sort of stuff.

The prospect of more Spotlights and a TMUK bod writing as well as drawing one has me excited for next year, and I'm interested to see what IDW will make of the movie universe in the prequel (probably shan't bother picking up the new movie adaptation itself, but the prequel is an additional part of the story.)

Overall I'm very happy -- the company take a spread of ideas on board whilst still sticking to their guns, and are prepared to try new things.

inflatable dalek
2006-12-31, 05:18 PM
I hadn't heard generations was doing T:2006 (slightly to late for it to be topical...). Whilst it's very much the obvious choice to start UK reprints with I'm suprised they're going to give over half the years issues to one story (unless they're doing more than two parts an issue?). Hopefully it'll give sales a huge boost and we'll see lots of the unreprinted UK stuff in there as well.

Osku
2006-12-31, 06:32 PM
I liked Infiltration and didn't mind the slow approach. For a long while I felt like I'm reading something genuinely new stuff. Feeling I've missed after Dreamwave's Armada comic.

To be honest Stormbringer didn't catch my interest. Some nice ideas/concepts but I hated the "mindless über-powerful threat".

First two Spotlights were good, but Hot Rod one was too predictable. Judging by what I've seen of Sixshot and Ultra Magnus from previews my expectations are quite low for those issues.

Eagerly waiting for my Escalation issues to arrive. I've tried to avoid spoilers, but the general feel I've had is that it's improvement from Infiltration.

Beast Wars was a slight disappointment. I didn't mind non-show characters getting spotlight, but the mini-series was crammed too full of characters. About the only characters that got more exposure were Razorbeast and Magmatron and of those Magmatron is gone. Little continuity errors bugged me as well (for example transmetal2 figures appearing before transmetal2 driver was introduced). Nice visuals, but I'd have appreciated a little less bright colours. Felt like I was reading a comic meant for kids.

Hearts of Steel was a big disappointement for me. 'What if' stories were something I was most interested, but the writing felt like unfinished draft. Replacement artist in issue 3 didn't help either.

Skipped movie issues as I saw no point in the mini-series.

Picked the Generations issues reprinting Blaster & co. vs. Straxus story, which wasn't printed in Finnish version. Unless IDW reprints UK material I don't have, I'm not getting it.

Cliffjumper
2006-12-31, 06:57 PM
Is Escalation out? Might have to get that at some point.

Cliffjumper
2006-12-31, 07:21 PM
I like what IDW are trying to do with the main book, but on what I've read I haven't been blown away by how they've done it... Infiltration has some great ideas, but is pretty badly scripted for a monthly (well, give or take) series... it'll probably read a bit better as a TPB, but a) so did The Prime Directive and b) I wasn't buying a ****ing TPB.

Stormbringer I enjoyed much more. OTT and slightly cheesy, but it actually had something approaching a consistent pace, rather than Infiltration's point-and-squirt approach.

The two Spotlights I've bothered reading have been pretty good as well, showing that they'd probably be better off with shorter, well-connected but self-contained stories (a la Marvel... most Marvel issues hang together as singles or as part of the larger continuity through being interesting from either angle... I doubt I'd be as hooked picking up Infiltration #3 at random as I was in 2000 finding scans of 'Prey' at Liam K's site [my childhood memories were all but gone at this point] - think about it, Infiltration is roughly the same length as T2006 or half of the G2 run) rather than stretching stuff out so they don't need to think up a new title for the TPB...

The other titles have been largely pointless, though. I can't see the BW mini as having especially pleased anyone. Evolutions was basically pointless - overlong for something of that type, a pretty thin premise stretched to breaking point, and looking increasingly stupid left on its' own with Hearts of Steel. Generations seems equally pointless - they're reprinting inferior, common material from a random starting point. They either should have gone for the cream, or the rare stuff (c'mon Man of Iron!), especially as the book has potential for packaging isolated stories rather than picking a jump-on point.

On the other side of things, they come across as an approachable and down-to-Earth bunch, even if they lay it on a bit thick at times and the letters page is an embarassment still.

kupimus aka(clocker)
2006-12-31, 07:45 PM
i think idw have done a great job so far..its difficult to create something new when all the stories u could do have been done. but ive enjoyed the ongoing and the spotlights. generations probably has been a bit pointless so far and the movie ap is a wasted opputunity. i liked beast wars and evolutions though

Krypto
2006-12-31, 10:06 PM
Oh - first post - hello all!

I've thought IDW have had a cracker of a year, with something for everyone, improving content, a tight main universe with a few bits and pieces outside that, a solid team setup for the movie prelude and adaptation, rolling along nicely. Probably the most consistent quality TF wise since G2.

Also, I can't believe "Man of Iron" is rare. It was reprinted in the US and in several UK issues, its far from the rarest UK only story! The Annual strips and stories are easily the rarest.

DrSpengler
2006-12-31, 10:39 PM
I suppose my one real complaint is that I'd like a little more variety in the authors. Furman's writing almost everything, and while he's typically good, it wouldn't hurt to bring in some other people for fresh ideas.


Infiltration: Didn't really dig it at the time since all I wanted was robots and all I got was psycho emo bitch. Rereading it all at once after other Transformers books were out, giving me the robot fix I needed, I appreciated the pacing of the story a bit better. Still don't love the arc and I still loathe Verity.

Stormbringer: Loved the art and the Pretenders, the ending was typical Furman, though. "Hey, I guess Thunderwing wasn't so tough after all apparently.". Pretty art, though.

Spotlight: The best of IDW's stuff, so far. Pretty much what I've always want, a Transformers anthology series focusing on individual characters. Haven't been disappointed by an issue yet and I've been enjoying all the characters they've put the spotlight on. The fact that the issues have actual effects on continuity and events in other titles is icing on the cake.

Hearts of Steel: A lot of fun for what it was, I just hated the ending. It was more something to look at and chuckle with; I didn't think it ever took itself that seriously. I mean, Mark Twain beating Ravage should be proof of that.

Beast Wars the Gathering: I loved it at the time, but that's because I love Beast Wars. Looking at it from another perspective, though, it kinda sucked. Not a lot of people outside the intense Transformers fandom are gonna give a damn about all those obscure Beast Wars toys making their fiction debut, and even *I* didn't care so much because I never owned any of their toys. The only thing I really loved about it was Magmatron, thoughhe got defeated in typical Furman fashion.


Looking back, I'm enjoying IDW's offerings over Dreamwave's. I just wish they'd give others a turn at writing books beside Furman.

Warcry
2007-01-01, 07:41 AM
I suppose I'm in the minority here; IDW's output to date hasn't excited me all that much. It's a couple notches above most of the dreck that Dreamwave inflicted on us, but so far I think it's fallen short of what it could be.

Beast Wars was a wash. I certainly can't think of any other TF minis that started off so well and fell so quickly into mediocrity and beyond. The first issue promised us Magmatron and his small band of renegade Preds against Razorclaw and a handful of Maximals, but by the first page of the second issue Mags had every non-show BW Predacon under his command. None of his minions got any characterization at all, whilst Mags himself came off as a poor immitation of BW Megs. Razorbeast and his Maximals fared better, but the whole thing was undermined by Furman's utter inability to properly think through the ramifications of time travel. Not to mention the pointless additions of Grimlock and Ravage. *sigh* :(


The main continuity has worked out a lot better. IDW made a good decision in 'simplifying' the story and zeroing in on what the 'Robots in Disguise' catchphrase really means. Their take on the strategic paradigm of the Autobot/Decepticon conflict is interesting, too. But that said...none of what we've actually seen has really been all that different from previous incarnations of the G1 universe. For all it's potential, the IDWverse so far has really just been Simon Furman playing with his favourite characters (Prime, Megs, Prowl, Ratchet, Starscream, Shockwave, Grimlock, Nightbeat, Hot Rod, Bludgeon, etc...) in front of new backgrounds. He writes them well and he's made an interesting story out of it so far, but I can't shake the feeling that I've seen all of it before.

What would I like in 2007? Less focus on Furman's favourites and more page time given to a couple of Autobots or Decepticons who haven't been given serious characterization in previous continuities. It almost doesn't matter who...we've seen a few non-traditional characters pop up in promising locations already, but none of them have really done anything yet. If Searchlight, Hardhead and Banzai-Tron (for example) got promoted to permanant main character status, it would do a lot for my interest in the book.

Ozz
2007-01-01, 10:08 AM
I'm liking IDW's main continuity's so far, though can't say I've really been blown away. The closest to that was Shockwave, which was great (fantastic Shockwave and Grimlock). The rest is average to good stuff that is worth my money. Out of two mini-series ,I liked Infiltration probably more than Stormbringer - I'm not really sold on robots kicking the crap out of each other (I mean, I like it, but that's not essential and is not the only thing I'm looking for) and am not a big fan of Figueroa. Su's art I really dig, even if some robots look a bit weird in the face departament (Sunstreaker comes to mind). I hope that Escalation will be the place where the fun really starts.

As for other series, I only read Beast Wars and didn't care for it, so I'm sticking to the main continuity, unless something really grabs my interest.

I'd happily see new writers on main series', as long as there's someone above them keeping them tight in continuity with themselves

Osku
2007-01-01, 12:10 PM
One thing I forgot to add. While it's impossible to avoid spoilers (draw conclusions) from the "Escalation" covers, en the whole the cover choices seem more to my liking than with "Infiltration".

Both #1 and #2 covers seem to relate to story inside and covers are made in similar style -> after this miniseries is over I'll propably have a nice set of covers instead of mixed lot of pretty pictures (Infiltration). :)

LKW
2007-01-04, 01:32 AM
Overall, I'm very well-pleased with IDW's take on The Transformers and I'm excited to see where they're going. (Though, it hasn't gotten me down to the store to pick up Escalation #2 and Six-Shot yet. Soon...)

I've liked all of their main continuity titles. Wasn't interested enough in Beast Wars in general, and all unknowns in particular, to pick that title up; and didn't really like what I saw of Hearts of Steel. I have found some stuff of worth in the TF Animated Movie adaptation... Generations has been largely a waste to date - when some of the worst TF comics ever have been among the reprints, that's not a good sign. (Maybe they were going for the most infamous issues?) It IS very good that they're going to UK material next; though, as I have the Target:2006 TPB, I'm not sure if I'll be picking up those issues, myself.

Personally, besides possibly the odd one-shot (as we are getting), I don't want to see anyone else writing this. I don't trust anyone but Furman to handle this new continuity he's establishing.

inflatable dalek
2007-01-04, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Cliffjumper
Is Escalation out? Might have to get that at some point.

Good to see my reviews have shaken the online community to it's core once more...

I'm hoping that the next BW mini will very quickly pass the end of the TV show so we no longer have to worry why the two sides don't just team up anymore (and Furman will have to come up with a damn good reason why the new Maximals would just sit about watching when Megatron looks likely to win the War with the Nemesis).

I'd also agree with LKW that having Furman write the main continuity books is probably the best bet- It avoids what happened at Dreamwave where the various writters contradicted themselves all over the place. Though there's no reason not to have new blood in the odd Spotlight of Evolutions...

Sir Auros
2007-05-03, 04:26 AM
...I am going to ask that you rescind your Transformers fan card and will ban you permanently.*

*Or until you start reading the current books (ok, you can ignore the reprints) and bask in the fresh familiarity and/or creativity.

Zisteau
2007-05-03, 06:02 AM
Um, shouldn't this go in the comics forum?


/ducks for cover

Hound
2007-05-03, 06:29 AM
Yeah, shouldn't this go in the TF comics forum?

Don't look at me, I'm not moving it. That takes like 5 mouse clicks, you know how much porn I could be looking at with 5 mouse clicks?

Ozz
2007-05-03, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Hound
Yeah, shouldn't this go in the TF comics forum?

And if it went there how would those people who don't read the comics hence probably not even visit that forum heard about the new Auros' law? C'mon, it's obvious. How did you get the mod job again? ;)

Halfshell
2007-05-03, 09:17 AM
I've got a pile of them that I haven't read yet. I'll get there in the end, though.

And the fact that I've not read them yet means I'm avoiding the comics forum. Perfectly illustrating:

a) Auros' logic
b) Hound's stupidity

[/is off to find that howned picture and bookmark it for future use]

inflatable dalek
2007-05-03, 09:42 AM
I am reading the comic, but do not have a fan card. From where do I get it?

And the card.

RID Scourge
2007-05-03, 01:24 PM
Well, after classics stops, I'm finished with the toys, and if I were to really start reading comics again, I'd want to catch up on all the GI Joe stuff I've missed over the last three years (I'd probably skip reloaded until I'd caught up).

How many issues of the IDW stuff have been released, so far?

Ozz
2007-05-03, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by RID Scourge
How many issues of the IDW stuff have been released, so far?

http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/roadmap.php

Cliffjumper
2007-05-03, 01:57 PM
Waiting for Escalation to come out in trade before reading it, see if that way it isn't the drawn-out brainfart Infiltration was.

Denyer
2007-05-03, 02:52 PM
Is good. Mind you, I liked Infiltration for the ideas and didn't mind the squishies.

RID Scourge
2007-05-03, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Ozz
http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/roadmap.php

That's quite a lot. Thank goodness for trades. Any non-main storys that you guys recommend? I'll probably look at the main stuff and the Beast Wars books fo' sho' (probably should pick up the titan TFUK TPBs that I never got around to pick up. Something like Dinobot Hunt, Prey and Second Generation). Might look at Hearts of Steel, as well, if I find myself getting a crack-like addiction. Going to avoid the movie stuffs until I see the movie, I think.

Am I right in assuming the trades collect everything from a given series (ie Infiltration has everything from that infiltration books), and what's the difference between the trades and the "manga" trades (ie, Infiltration vs Infiltration Manga)?

Also, would the strikethrough font indicate a title that's been cancelled?

Cliffjumper
2007-05-03, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
Is good. Mind you, I liked Infiltration for the ideas and didn't mind the squishies.

I liked the ideas and the set-up of the universe. I didn't like the inconsistent pace, and flaccid action scenes (and before anyone goes for a good old out-of-context barracking of that one, I'm not after a book of mindless fight scenes, but when there is action is should have some, well, action to it - given the comic's textbook apeing of the Ultimate books, it rather jars when you have typical Furman "Must... dictate my actions in the middle of battle" scenes thrown in). It's as good a start as to any other TF comic for sure (G2 notwithstanding, for obvious reasons), but that says more about the failings of all the others... my biggest problems with Infiltration are it didn't come close to justifying seven issues, and Verity is just plain painful, but we already know I think this, and I'm going to get like whatsface with Victory if I carry on like this.

Denyer
2007-05-03, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by RID Scourge
That's quite a lot.
It's not that much really -- there are two TPBs out now (Inf, Stormbringer) and will be two more soon (some spotlights, Esc.)

Originally posted by RID Scourge
Any non-main storys that you guys recommend? I'll probably look at the main stuff and the Beast Wars books fo' sho'
I was a bit disappointed with BW -- the story is already complicated enough by time travel, without working in more characters active on old Earth. You might enjoy it more if you're already a BW fan and enjoy non-show characters and it'll certainly read better in trade.

Hearts Of Steel is throwaway fun, worth a couple of reads.

I like Spotlight issues best, as they work into the main storylines well and are (other than that) standalone tales.

Originally posted by RID Scourge
Am I right in assuming the trades collect everything from a given series (ie Infiltration has everything from that infiltration books)
Yup. Except the Spotlights one due out, since there've been more Spotlights released. The first trade is the first five Spotlights, and on the site I'm sorting things by the way they're collected so's it'll be easy to follow.

Originally posted by RID Scourge
what's the difference between the trades and the "manga" trades (ie, Infiltration vs Infiltration Manga)?Size, and the "manga" ones are graytone. Since the TPBs are cheaper on Amazon anyway, I'd strongly recommend the full size books.

Originally posted by RID Scourge
Also, would the strikethrough font indicate a title that's been cancelled? Yeah, and hit (or hover over for details) the link next to it for more info, unless you see it a short distance below on the list, meaning it's just a schedule change.

The DWG1V3 trade is off, for now, as it's been determined some of the material needed is in legal limbo. The DW Profiles book will happen, we're told, but is on hold whilst they figure out logistics (whether anything should be altered) and do movie stuff. BW stuff is also coming after the summer rush.

Civ
2007-05-03, 04:18 PM
I've liked most of what I read so for in the IDWverse. Infiltration, what I've read so far in Escalation, Spotlights, Stormbringer, and Beast Wars. Biggest disappointments for me thus far were the Hearts of Steel and '86 movie adaptation comics. I still need to read the Kup spotlight, the last two issues of Escalation, and the '07 movie prequels.

RID Scourge
2007-05-03, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
It's not that much really -- there are two TPBs out now (Inf, Stormbringer) and will be two more soon (some spotlights, Esc.)

Good to know. I'll probably snatch up everything on a trade-by-trade basis, if possible. Much easier to store.

I was a bit disappointed with BW -- the story is already complicated enough by time travel, without working in more characters active on old Earth. You might enjoy it more if you're already a BW fan and enjoy non-show characters and it'll certainly read better in trade.

Yeah, I have a feeling a lot of my enjoyment is going to be in being able to revisit the world of BW, so even if the story is decent at best, it should be a good romp.

Yup. Except the Spotlights one due out, since there've been more Spotlights released. The first trade is the first five Spotlights, and on the site I'm sorting things by the way they're collected so's it'll be easy to follow.

Ah. Excellent.

Size, and the "manga" ones are graytone. Since the TPBs are cheaper on Amazon anyway, I'd strongly recommend the full size books.

Ah, in other words, it's the same story but designed to fit more with the collection of someone, who collects mangs? Good to know. Yeah, I think I'll prefer the full-sized ones, myself.

Yeah, and hit (or hover over for details) the link next to it for more info, unless you see it a short distance below on the list, meaning it's just a schedule change.

The DWG1V3 trade is off, for now, as it's been determined some of the material needed is in legal limbo. The DW Profiles book will happen, we're told, but is on hold whilst they figure out logistics (whether anything should be altered) and do movie stuff. BW stuff is also coming after the summer rush.

Ah. I see. going to probably unload my DW stuff and pretend it didn't happen, for the most part.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to hit up this stuff after I sort out my move (moving at the end of this month, so my main focus is on getting rid of stuff. Very tempted to haul a bunch of comics to a local comic shop, say "Happy free comic book day," and be rid of them (I'm gonna keep my marvel stuff and my joe books (excluding the doubles I've gotten from buying multiple comic packs for customs) and a few random tpb'd stories, like infinity gauntlet-might even get rid of the non-bagged (bagged, I've got the complete run, minus 1-2 G1s, a TFU, and 3-4 G2 issues) marvel tf issues, and eventually pick up the titan trades).

Hound
2007-05-03, 05:08 PM
Again I'm asking. Shouldn't discussion about TF comics be placed in the forum set aside for TF comic discussion?

I'm not seeing how "Doesn't read new TF comics" must equal "Does not see threads from 'New TF Comic' forum".

I'm just saying...

Denyer
2007-05-03, 05:29 PM
Incidentally, people who are picking up the trades: come and talk about 'em in the forum when you have. No reason the talkback threads shouldn't be used just because they were started a while back.

Sir Auros
2007-05-03, 07:59 PM
I chose to put it here because it wouldn't have the visibility in the comics forum that it would here, and given that the current comics have their own forum, it would be preaching to the converted.

another tf fan
2007-05-03, 09:15 PM
I have a fan card, but it always gets lost behind my Radio Shack Battery Club card.

ooh, that reminds me, I need batteries.

Zisteau
2007-05-04, 02:39 AM
Escalation has been a lot better than Infiltration. The art has been both consistently better and more consistent, as has the writing and pacing. Oh, and the Spotlights are a great idea, haven't read one yet I didn't like.

Zisteau
2007-05-04, 02:44 AM
Guess I need to dip into these sub forums more often.

Halfshell
2007-05-04, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Hound
I'm not seeing how "Doesn't read new TF comics" must equal "Does not see threads from 'New TF Comic' forum".

Because we're avoiding the New TF Comic forum so we can read them spoiler-free at a later point?

Sades
2007-05-04, 09:51 AM
Moved, with redirect left in GD [and apologies to Auros]. Should stay up about the same amount of time it would have had it not been moved and you don't have to go through the comics forum to access it.

Sir Auros
2007-06-24, 04:12 AM
See no reason to start a new thread...

I'm finally caught up to date on IDW's continuity (bought the Stormbringer TPB since I can never remember which issue I'm missing when I'm at a comic shop), and I really have to say they're doing a phenomenal job. I couldn't be happier with the way the comics are going unless they came out quicker.

It seems clear to me that they created a reasonably complex, detailed mythology that was similar to what came before, but also their own prior to selling a single issue. In other words, they're completely unlike DW.

Denyer
2007-06-24, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Sir Auros
See no reason to start a new thread... Start one if the discussion moves on to 2007 issues, since the thrust of Dalek's question was an end-of-year recap on what people liked and what they'd like to see this year... no reason we have to wait until the end of 2007 for another one, though...

Halfshell
2007-10-15, 09:51 AM
Quick question - can't recall off hand and will probably forget if I try to save it for looking into later...

Where's the Matrix in the IDW G1verse? Am I right in my thinking that it's still [presumably] in the possession of Nova Prime? Given that Galvatron probably didn't say "you wanna send that back home?" before plunging them through the portal...

zigzagger
2007-10-16, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Halfshell
Where's the Matrix in the IDW G1verse? Am I right in my thinking that it's still [presumably] in the possession of Nova Prime? Given that Galvatron probably didn't say "you wanna send that back home?" before plunging them through the portal...
What do we know currently:
- Well, during Galvatron's internal monologue (Spotlight: Galvatron, during the whole "Like a door, blah, blah, blah" bit), he did say that a Prime "carried" it, and since Nova Prime was on board the first Ark with the likes of Jhiaxus and Galvatron before it plunged into the Dead Universe, it is a possibility Nova has it in his possession. It being left behind is a possibility, but that seems a bit silly, doesn't it. Besides, there's no indication that Sentinel Prime ever carried the relic either.

- The current Prime hasn't mentioned, nor have we seen, carrying any sort of relic, glowing blue disco-ball, or some other plot device. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Then again, it has not been established what exactly the matrix is in the IDW-verse. Maybe it isn't so much a tangible thing, maybe it's, as the current Prime stated on similar subject, more of an encapsulated ideal, etc., kind of like what the earlier Marvel issues did. I suppose that's a bit of a let down, though.

Screw it, I'm going with Nova, it has been (scantly) implied that he had something in his possession.

Terome
2007-10-16, 06:50 AM
Optimus also referred to Primes at being 'Guardians Of -The- Matrix' in his Spotlight. Notable because Galvatron described the Matrix as being 'his' [Nova Prime's].

Watta mystery!

inflatable dalek
2007-10-22, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek

I'm hoping that the next BW mini will very quickly pass the end of the TV show so we no longer have to worry why the two sides don't just team up anymore (and Furman will have to come up with a damn good reason why the new Maximals would just sit about watching when Megatron looks likely to win the War with the Nemesis).

Furman should have listened to me. :( Mind, placement with the TV show is the least of the new arcs problems...

As for the Matrix... it hadn't even occured to me Optiums didn't have it. I'd assumed Nova had either left it behind, it was a Computer Program ala the original comic take or some other McGuffins. Nova having it could actually be both a nice twist and a interesting development as long as it avoids recapping the "Evil Matrix!!!!!!" stuff...


[Now this thread has been merged with one discussing 2007 comics Denyer's earlier post telling people to start a new one if that's what they wanted to do should be edited or we'll start looking like a mad house, a mad house...]

inflatable dalek
2007-12-22, 04:30 PM
With the last of this years comics now out (I don't think there's anything after BW 3 anyway), it's time for the second Annual Archive look back at the last 12 months. What do you think worked, what didn't, where you'd like to see the line go from here... Share your brains.

Denyer
2007-12-22, 05:39 PM
First highlight was Spotlight: Kup, with a fan on both art and script.

Escalation saw a confrontation that had a lot of gravitas, but the disadvantage of what Furman's doing with the main arc is that each notch forward makes it seem that less happened in the previous ones. The gaps between series are really not helping in that respect.

Movie Prequel got off to a good start, but I was hoping for something like Titan served up... the movie story already had lots of flashback (and was widely known by that point by anyone who'd be reading a prequel comic as issues) so there wasn't as much impact as could've been got from some "Autobots hunt the Allspark across the galaxy" stories. It's done better than any of the other series by dint of being for sale in supermarkets, though -- we aren't really the main audience.

Marvel's TF/Avengers got the initial benefit of the doubt, but was ****.

Megatron: Origin was disappointing, had problems with writing, art, colouring and editing. Since that was the main event of the year, bookended by the Earth arc chunks, it's fallen a bit flat overall.

Spotlight: Ramjet was notable as a bit of offbeat fun.

Devastation is going well so far, but my prediction for the remaining three issues is it'll end on a cliffhanger with lots more players entering the game but not having time to do much. Again, this doesn't suit the bloody long gaps between Earth arcs.

I'm looking forward to spotlights and possibly the conclusion I anticipate for what we saw in the teasers that have been released so far. As far as the main story goes, it's great that it's open-ended, but Furman is telegraphing his intentions a little too bluntly. Of course, where it'll lead us (big conflict aside) is still wide open. Hopefully not too much towards mysticism rather than science...

zigzagger
2007-12-23, 02:03 AM
Spotlight: Soundwave, though not the greatest thing released this past year, was good fun. I really appreciated the tie-ins with Stormbringer and Spotlight: Shockwave - especially the latter. Though I was initially more excited about the seeing the Dead Universe material finally being fleshed out (I think the whole Nemesis Prime thing kind of spoiled some of it for me. Still want to see Jhiaxus though), the Skywatch, etc, material is looking more and more appealing, and 2008 is sounding like it is going to be a great year for it.

The greatness that was Spotlight: Kup has been mentioned here and several times else where, so I'll refrain from going into it. It would seem that general opinion for this and the more satirical sided Spotlight: Ramjet, both of which were written by folks other than Furman, has been well received and I think it is (long) due time for Furman to share some of the writing duties.

Escalation overall was good, particularly the first half with an exciting versus battle in the second, but I personally did not like the conclusion. Megatron's humiliating defeat and his "Oh yeah? Well, I'll show you" reprisal was a bit anti-climatic (kind of cartoony too). Just wasn't satisfied, which made the 4 month gap between Escalation and Devastation just agonizing. I suppose the purpose of this was to establish how the character would appear in Devastation, but I would have like to have seen more of this "calm" and "measured" Megatron that we saw for such a brief time.

Spotlight: Galvatron provided some nifty bits of info, including the revelation that Galvatron was an ancient Cybertronian, not a reformatted Megatron. My issue with this Spotlight was that it just didn't feel like a Spotlight of a particular character, as it was more so part of a larger story. Which wasn't necessarily a bad thing, I just didn't get enough insight of who Galvatron is/was to appease my fickle desires.

Spotlight: Optimus Prime started out really promising (about the first 8 pages, I'd say). Then Monstructor showed up and all went down hill, which really distracted from the two other characters from being developed and hindered the overall story in a huge way. Far too many coincidences occurred, which in effect spoiled a decent start.

Spotlight: Ramjet.....it was entertaining.

Beast Wars: The Ascending so far, in my opinion, has been rather dull. I said it once already; the story thus far is a superfluous cast of characters fighting each other under the pretense of something far more profound and interesting. Actual story progression has been slow, and I'm still not sure what the **** is going on half the time other than anthropomorphic battling.

Devastation so far, the first three issues have been pretty action packed with no sign of losing momentum. The Sixshot/Ratchet chase was just wonderful fun, and I am actually anxious to see Starscream shake up the Decepticon status quo. The story could benefit being a bit more dense however, what with the soon to be arriving characters, would offer a bit more room for the multiple plots simultaneously unfolding.

inflatable dalek
2007-12-24, 09:31 PM
The year started and ended hugely well, but for me the Summer Months were an extreme letdown. Optimus Prime and Galvatron were the best on offer and even they didn't rise up above OK, whilst Origin and Man and Machine were tripe of the highest order.

I found that after the first issue the Prequel comic was instantly forgettable, to the point that having now read to the end of issue 2 again in the Titan reprints it hit me I had no idea whatsoever whan was going to happen next beyond there being a Decepticon/Sector 7 fight that didn't seem to fit in with what we're told in the film very well (ie: Sector 7 are just dull Men in Black rather than more interesting nutters).

Sunstreaker2
2007-12-24, 11:09 PM
The Spotlights were pretty good. Personally, I'd like to see a Spotlight of Cliffjumper, since Cliffjumper rulez. Go Cliffjumper!

MegatronIDW
2008-01-19, 01:04 PM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT



Please tell me you all know whose silhouette that is on the cover?

Yep, look's like Scorponok is gonna be making a return appearanc ein the pages of Grimlock's spotlight issue. Makes you wonder how he and Grimlock know each other. Although, as Grimlock is on earth and Scorponok is too (C'mon people is there ANYONE who doesn't know it's him leading the Machination?) Maybe he's gonna be the one who revives the Dinobot's from their stasis lock. The preview does hint that the spotlight takes place AFTER the battle with Shockwave, so maybe the MAchination get a hold of Grimlock by attacking the Eureka dig. From what we've seen of Skywatch they seem pretty incompetent so I can't see them standing a chance against the Machiantion.

Denyer
2008-01-19, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by MegatronIDW
C'mon people is there ANYONE who doesn't know it's him leading the Machination? Since it's been confirmed by Devastation TPB solicitations, it's no longer speculation and is a spoiler. Use appropriate markings rather than just a line of text directly above the post.

Cover here for those who haven't seen it:
http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/covers.php?dgallery=browse&page=Spotlights+V3

Red Dave Prime
2008-01-19, 02:55 PM
Going by devastation number 4 I'd be guessing that Grimlock and shockwave are under skywatch control (altough the fact they've lost control of lazerbeak and Ravage already may point to them not being as advanced as the machination)

Halfshell
2008-01-23, 02:04 PM
Going by devastation number 4 I'd be guessing that Grimlock and shockwave are under skywatch control (altough the fact they've lost control of lazerbeak and Ravage already may point to them not being as advanced as the machination)

Well, considering that the Machination is run by a Transformer, whereas Skywatch is a bunch of humans stumbling about in the dark, trying to control something they (probably) don't really understand... I'd say their not being as advanced is a given.

Red Dave Prime
2008-01-23, 06:08 PM
Quite True that. Also going by Dev #4, they seem to be working from a run down factory which may mean they are only a small covert arm of the goverment. 'Course I'm just assuming their goverment.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-23, 08:49 PM
Wait.... So Scorponok is the head of the Machination? OMG!

Red Dave Prime
2008-01-23, 09:39 PM
All you sarky bastards will be surprised when it turns out to be sch.. sch.. Shrapnel! Clearly controlling the humans with bombshell. Its obvious

MegatronIDW
2008-01-25, 08:01 PM
As the idiots who run Skywatch can't even control Ravage and Laerbeak, whow ants to bet Grimlock breaks free in the first page of his Spotlight. As for Shockwave...well, how do you like your primitve fleshlings, medium rare or well done?

DirtDigger324
2008-02-04, 07:19 AM
I am curious about the pretender process in IDW? I have Stormbringer number 1 and Soundwave spotlight but I need to know will the pretender process be anything remotely like that of masterforce or of the G1 comics from Marvel? Will they look like their toy selves once they acquire their shells? I have a couple of Pretenders toys and I like the new concept. It did take me a while to notice why Bomb-Burst looked so different but realizing that it was a combination of his shell look and his robot mode I understood a little better. It would be neat to see these new pretenders gain the control that is needed to be Pure Pretenders in IDW.

inflatable dalek
2008-02-04, 07:52 AM
So far Stormbringer the last chronological appearance of alive Pretenders in the IDWverse (though Soundwave despite being set earlier was published latter), though Thunderwing's dead body has made a cameo appearance. At the moment the tech seems to have been filled up "Sit that didn't work".

zigzagger
2008-02-04, 08:04 AM
Well, I don't want to spoil too much, since you are in the process of reading Stormbringer (and yes, Spotlight: Soundwave does tie into it a little bit). Basically, in the IDW-verse, "pretender" technology (which it isn't even referred to that in Stormbringer, let alone ever to my knowledge) was developed by Thunderwing. His plan was to create these exo-forms, or carapaces, that were originally intended to protect Cybetronians from the planet's harsh environments, a result from the centuries of war. The process involved the grafting of cybernetic tissue used from live subjects, creating a "symbiotic carapace". Somehow it is linked to the neo-cortex of the wearer, thus becoming a part of the wearer as well. I got the impression that it was permanent, but it is not indicated either way, only suggested. The process caused Thunderwing to go mad, then went on a planet wide rampage.

Does that help explain it better?

EDIT

As far as how the characters look; characters like Bomb-Burst or Bludgeon have simply received complete make-overs in the IDW-verse. Some dramatically different than in previous continuities (especially Bludgeon). Has nothing to do with the pretender process, I don't think.

zigzagger
2008-02-16, 04:00 AM
To those who may be interested, the Transformers Spotlight TPB is due to ship the 20th of this month.
According to....an annoymous source?
http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=3245&start=45
Check back later for confirmation

edit:
Confirmed for Wednesday
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=11134

Starfield
2008-02-16, 08:30 PM
Decepticons have their infiltration schemes to strip planets of recourses, but what do Autobots do?

I'm waiting for Spotlight 2 TPB, so if there are hints in there about it in there, I don't know about it.

Clogs
2008-02-16, 10:56 PM
Decepticons have their infiltration schemes to strip planets of recourses, but what do Autobots do?

I'm waiting for Spotlight 2 TPB, so if there are hints in there about it in there, I don't know about it.

Pre-paid electricity cards?

Or just plain tapping The Ark's power supply?

That was always a bit of a poser in the original cartoon series. Presumably the 'Cons required more power, being flight-capable, and no one would sign them up to a utilities plan...

Rossum
2008-02-17, 04:09 AM
I assume that in the cartoon, they just politely ask for it. They're generally seen as heroes, after all. Or maybe they are powered by virtue and good thoughts...

In IDW's series, I bet they sneak it from the planets they're inhabiting as much as the Decepticons do--they just use more subtle means, and avoid the Decepticons' eventual slash-and-burn tactics. Or maybe they do regular raids of Decepticon storehouses.

Rurudyne
2008-02-17, 05:27 AM
Well, the thing is, you see, in G1 neither Spike nor his Dad noticed the long extension cord that ran over to their house.

starlord
2008-02-17, 05:34 AM
They are given to them by the grateful earthlings who are glad that that the autobots ask for their energy or pay for it by protecting them from those decepticons.

Warcry
2008-02-17, 07:07 AM
That was always a bit of a poser in the original cartoon series. Presumably the 'Cons required more power, being flight-capable, and no one would sign them up to a utilities plan...
In the cartoon, the Autobots probably didn't have much trouble getting power. After all, they were parked on top of an active volcano. It would have been a lazy afternoon's work for Wheeljack to throw together a geothermal generator that syphoned off some energy from the volcano and fed it into the Ark.

The IDW Autobots don't have it so easy, though. I suspect they get some resources from grateful worlds that they've saved from Decepticon infiltration (assuming they ever actually save these worlds...on Earth, at least, it seems more like they're playing for a draw), but that can't be enough to keep them going. They might mine uranium and the like from uninhabited worlds to power their starships and command hubs, but gigantic solar collection arrays, cold fusion generators and other cliche sci-fi technologies are likely, too.

zigzagger
2008-02-17, 09:45 AM
....but gigantic solar collection arrays, cold fusion generators and other cliche sci-fi technologies are likely, too.
I'm inclined to agree with this. I'm not even sure if Cybertronians can use resources on Earth as a power source in the IDW-verse, other than Ore-13, which was put there by Shockwave before or after the Ice Age. Megatron at one point even complains that Cybertronians have been living off of energy substitutes/derivatives for quite a long period, since energon is naturally occurring on Cybertron, which at the moment is uninhabitable.

LKW
2008-02-17, 03:49 PM
Well, the thing is, you see, in G1 neither Spike nor his Dad noticed the long extension cord that ran over to their house.

HAHAHA!

By the way - good question, Starfield :up:

inflatable dalek
2008-02-17, 04:10 PM
The implication so far seems to be that before coming to Earth both sides were using increasingly sub par Energon substitutes that were affecting their overall performance.

Starfield
2008-02-17, 06:25 PM
Thanks for the ideas!

It makes sense that the Autobots gather sub-standard energy from here and there. The long extension cord idea actually makes sense if you don't take it literally. They probably have to divert some resources from the planets they are helping.

The Arks and other spacecraft would take a lot of fuel but they don't necessarily need Energon. The Autobots could probably find fuel for them pretty easily enough in asteroids or whatever.

Cliffjumper
2008-03-20, 05:51 PM
Really enjoyed this batch [of Spotlights]. Much better than the main series for the large part.

Soundwave was marvellous. Entirely taken from the Marvel characterisation, but really nice to have it all distilled into one focused story rather than spread across a few frames in a hundred issues.

Kup was also really good, actually lived up to the hype, which was a pleasant surprise. Terrific art and a wonderful execution of a fairly simple concept - top work for Springer to boot, and very darkly funny (the various 'conversations' with half of Outback).

Optimus Prime - IMO, the weakest of the bunch. Started off as a nice showcase for Optimus - nice to get inside his head a little - but then it lost focus a little on him. It's a respectable story for the most part, but if it's a Spotlight, the subject probably shouldn't be the third most interesting character in it from a main cast of three...

Galvatron - excellent menacing little piece of work. I love the way he's totally separate from Megatron (well, not the same person at any rate), and it's great to see him as someone who isn't a raving lunatic. Furman tapped just the right amount of the Marvel US version, as well - the small rebellion and so on.

Ramjet - my favourite of the whole bunch... very funny, kind-of like a book-length version of Professor Chalker from X-Factor. It's a great bit of fun, with Ramjet's insane plans, means and ambitions just like "OLD SKOOL" Megatron, and then, WAM, a stark illustration that the Decepticons aren't the same bunch of tits we've had for most of the past 25 years. At the same time, Ramjet's such a ludicrously optimistic chap you can't help but concur at the end - "Harsh" :\

Aardvark
2008-03-20, 06:51 PM
Well I'm not really into Transformers as a whole anymore, but seeing as the thread's revived, I thought I'd chip in:

Probably the most consistent trade IDW's produced. Though the first volume does a much better job at being self-contained.

In terms of Transformers comics, we get some good characterisation and variety. Spotlight: Kup is the only issue since G2 that has approached something that I'd consider genuinely unique and different to what we've seen before. Felt like I was reading a comic as opposed to a "Transformers comic". Best issue in the collection.

Ramjet's a lot of fun and brings in some much needed lighthearted relief. Furman's on point with Galvatron and Soundwave -- which is especially true for the latter, though it's not quite on par with Shockwave. I've mentioned this before but the Prime issue is my least favourite Spotlight issue so far (Haven't read most of the current batch).

To be brutally honest, I don't think it has any redeeming qualities. Felt that not only did it fail as a standalone tale, but as a story in its own right. Bland characters, a bland fight and without meaning to sound disrespectful, bland, lifeless art from Don. Just my opinion, mind. :)

Hurray for me.

inflatable dalek
2008-03-20, 08:48 PM
Soundwave was marvellous. Entirely taken from the Marvel characterisation, but really nice to have it all distilled into one focused story rather than spread across a few frames in a hundred issues.

Tis a shame Megatron Origin pissed all over it by writing him exactly the same as in the bloody cartoon.

Halfshell
2008-03-22, 06:57 PM
Soundwave was marvellous. Entirely taken from the Marvel characterisation, but really nice to have it all distilled into one focused story rather than spread across a few frames in a hundred issues.

Yeah, maybe it's my dodgy memory, but is this the first time he's actually shown to be a blackmailing bastard? And nicely balanced with the "greater good" aspect that made him so ****ing awesome in Space Pirates.

Optimus Prime - IMO, the weakest of the bunch. Started off as a nice showcase for Optimus - nice to get inside his head a little - but then it lost focus a little on him. It's a respectable story for the most part, but if it's a Spotlight, the subject probably shouldn't be the third most interesting character in it from a main cast of three...

It's a dodgy state of affairs where an entire on-screen cast can be completely upstaged just by mention of another character.

At the same time, Ramjet's such a ludicrously optimistic chap you can't help but concur at the end - "Harsh" :\

I think that issue's a great example of how to do a standalone piece, but still make it mesh with the ongoing story.

Not phenomenally harsh, though, seeing as Megatron's basically bitchslapping him for the exact same reason he trashed the MCs. ;) KNOW YOUR ROLE. :o

Cliffjumper
2008-03-22, 07:39 PM
Aye, but it was more than he's the first non-big rolling interesting Decepticon we've seen since... erm, ever. Did like the way he was basically deluded to the end, though - normally when Megatron crashes in on Screamer or Blitzwing or whoever it's all "No, Mighty Megatron, you don't undertsand, some fellatio will make things clearer". Ramjet's all "So, bitch, you come to get your arse kicked?"

Yeah, maybe it's my dodgy memory, but is this the first time he's actually shown to be a blackmailing bastard?

That Earthforce one where he tricks Wildrider into getting blown up by Megatron's the first.

Denyer
2008-03-22, 08:11 PM
Yeah, maybe it's my dodgy memory
Secrets! One of the best of the UK B&W...

Halfshell
2008-04-26, 02:44 PM
See what I did there?

Wahey. Let's have a no-holds barred discussion about what we expect in Revelations, then.

According to reports from the IDW panel at BotCon (http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3893), the Dead Universe cast is going to be rounded out by two more characters (in addition to Novamesis Prime, Galvatron, Jhiaxus and Cyclonus) who we'll likely meet in Spotlight Cyclonus.

Who do we reckon they'll be then? I'm guessing not Thunderwing and Sixshot, as that would be cheating. The Micromasters are presumably drones if my interpretation is correct... so who've we not met yet that could fit the bill?

Rook?
Scourge?

They tie in with the thematic so far. But they're all characters who are traditionally Decepticons (or allied) upto now, aren't they?

Why not round out the Movie-related characters with Blurr? Or Wreck-Gar?

Maybe Sky-Lynx? How insane would that be? We've still not seen Octane yet.

We've been gipped out of the Firecons in Spotlight Wheelie... maybe they're being held off so that Cindersaur can help conquer the universe.

We all know that Fangry sucks enough to be one of them. But Dirge was a herald of Unicron alongside Galvy back in Armada... we've met the other two coneheads, but not him yet. Maybe there's a reason.

The Horrorcons are yet to appear. Or how about a character from over in the Japanese line?

Lots and lots of candidates. Who do you reckon it'll be? Who do you want it to be?

Also...
- What is the Magnificence?
- What's the endgame for Nightbeat and Hardhead on Gorlam Prime?
- Which Decepticons will be foisted into a gestalt and what will become of Monstructor?
- Could that last one have anything to do with Devastator being listed in the cast list for All Hail Megatron in the Focus issue?
- Which issue will feature Arcee's brutal death as she attempts to take down Jhiaxus?

DISCUSSINATION!!!

inflatable dalek
2008-04-26, 04:34 PM
Nightbeat will betray everyone, then die redeeming himself, Galvatron will turn on Nemesis Prime and reveal his own super sexy cool agenda (pretty much a non brainer that), and I'm guessing something will happen to stop the Autobots coming back to Earth at the end.

Aardvark
2008-04-26, 05:13 PM
I'm guessing due to the limited amount of issues and the general "0mg factor", one of the two will be someone we've seen before. I'm thinking Doubledealer as he has a Spotlight on the way and has the whole Magnificence thing goin' for him. Moreover, it would also be a slick, trpilez0r bluff -- somewhat redeeming the predictability of "Spotlight: Hot Rod" in the process.

Halfshell
2008-04-26, 07:03 PM
I'm guessing due to the limited amount of issues and the general "0mg factor", one of the two will be someone we've seen before. I'm thinking Doubledealer as he has a Spotlight on the way and has the whole Magnificence thing goin' for him. Moreover, it would also be a slick, trpilez0r bluff -- somewhat redeeming the predictability of "Spotlight: Hot Rod" in the process.

I'd buy that idea for a dollar.

And it'd make more sense of the pencils for what's possibly page 1, with the flashback to Nemesis Prime watching Stormbringer.

Warcry
2008-04-26, 09:11 PM
Who do we reckon they'll be then?
With Galvatron and Cyclonus both on the list, I'd be really surprised if Scourge wasn't one of the two.

Doubledealer may well be working for the Dead Universe crew, what with being a mercenary with no loyalty to anyone but himself. But I'm pretty sure these two new characters are supposed to be of the 'undead' variety like Galvatron and he's shown no sign of that so far. I suspect someone in Banzaitron's crew is a Dead Universe agent, anyway, because otherwise I'm not sure how the Magnificence plot will tie in with the rest of the Revelations stuff.

Dirge would be a good choice as well. His obsession with death would fit right in thematically with the Dead Universe storyline, and it would be nice to include a character who wasn't shown as an ultra-powerful force to be reckoned with in the past.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dead Universe cast rounded out with characters who've been shown with supernatural abilities in the past, either. Bugly and Mindwipe are the two that jump to mind right off the bat, and adding the 'undead' attribute to their already formidable skills would make both of them incredably dangerous. But at the same time I'm not sure those two and their abilities would fit in smoothly with the more-realistic TF universe IDW has shown us so far. I'm quite fond of both characters, though, so that's probably the direction I'd lean if I were writing this.

What's the endgame for Nightbeat and Hardhead on Gorlam Prime?
Everyone is thinking that Hardhead is going to have to take down Nightbeat, but what if it's the other way around? Killing off the title character in his own Spotlight would be so counter-intuitive that I, for one, fully expect it to be used purely for shock value at some point.

Which Decepticons will be foisted into a gestalt and what will become of Monstructor?
Could that last one have anything to do with Devastator being listed in the cast list for All Hail Megatron in the Focus issue?
Assuming that's not an error and Devestator is going to show up (and what with the ZOMG G1! feel of the AHM previews, I'd be shocked if he didn't) it pretty much has to, doesn't it? Where else would they have gotten gestalt technology? I wouldn't be surprised if the Monsters were dissected by Banzaitron's minions to figure out exactly how they work.

As an aside, I have to say that I hope Devestator's appearance doesn't herald the arrival of all of the classic boring and predictable G1 combiners. If Sunstreaker can be a Headmaster, surely we could have a random combiner made up of Quake, Ruckus, Thrust, Gutcruncher and Needlenose?

And if not, I hope they least shuffle up the rosters a little bit when they patently don't make any sense. It's amazing to see the lengths people on the IDW board are willing to go to find a way to shoehorn Swindle in with the Combaticons, even though it would make no sense at all in the IDW universe.

optimusskids
2008-04-26, 10:10 PM
Swap Swindle for Gutcruncher maybe

Hmm Combatibots

Hound
Guzzle
Warpath
Powerglide
Hardhead

Blitzwing
2008-04-27, 01:28 AM
As for Devestator appearing in AHM, I'm pretty sure that can be chalked up to McCarthy not paying attention to anything going on in IDW so far. Hopefully the combiner tech will be made available to everyone during the Revelations Saga so that it will be covered. And hopefully it won't be made into overkill right away.

Halfshell
2008-04-27, 11:24 AM
Dirge would be a good choice as well. His obsession with death would fit right in thematically with the Dead Universe storyline, and it would be nice to include a character who wasn't shown as an ultra-powerful force to be reckoned with in the past.

Well he was part of an ultra-powerful force to be reckoned with in the past. Not that I can recall him actually doing much himself in Worlds Collide, but anywho...

Good call on Bugly and Mindwipe. What with Bludgeon having been a herald alongside Galvatron last time out, it'd make a sense for one of his Chaos Trinity buddies to be switched in. Bugly doesn't really have the name value, though. Actually was it Bugly? I really should check these things before I start typing...

Killing off the title character in his own Spotlight would be so counter-intuitive that I, for one, fully expect it to be used purely for shock value at some point.

Wouldn't surprise me. We've had three Spotlights that end with the central character put on ice indefinitely (Shockwave, Soundwave, Kup), and Ramjet's fate could easily be surmised as the same.

I half expect "teh stunning climax" of the Wheelie issue to be his death. They'll make us actually like him, then do what everybody was clamouring for beforehand.

Maybe Wheelie'll be one of the Dead Universe cast?

As an aside, I have to say that I hope Devestator's appearance doesn't herald the arrival of all of the classic boring and predictable G1 combiners. If Sunstreaker can be a Headmaster, surely we could have a random combiner made up of Quake, Ruckus, Thrust, Gutcruncher and Needlenose?

Good god I'd love to see that last one.

I'd think Computron would pretty much be a given, considering the prominent role the Technobots have played both as a unit and in the analysis of the gestalt tech. Computron would be a sensible counterpoint to Devastator... beyond that, I'd be happy to not see another combiner appear ever.

Aardvark
2008-04-27, 11:57 AM
I had hoped we wouldn't be seeing Devastator any time soon (Well Gestalts in general, tbh). He's one of the lea interesting Combiners -- moreover, he's one of the most nonsensical. Seeing as the Terrorcons have already been painted as a bunch of lame Sixshot groupies, I guess they'd be my choice if I had to pick one of the traditional Gestalt units to receive the 'giant kibble monster of death' treatment. They're loopy terrorists with a thirst for destruction who want to be as badaaaz as Sixshot -- I'd say they'd be more than happy to let themselves be guinea pigs in order to gain that sort of power.

As for Mindwipe and Bugly -- I doubt it. I think Furman's going to go for either shock value and/or big names.

It's weird actually, IDW have played pretty much all the (Western), big b@D 'Con cards, despite having more in the deck than the Autobots. Trypticon was seen fighting alongside Prime, Megs and Omega in a flashback in Stormbringer so who knows what the hell his role is in the IDW-verse.



Maybe Wheelie'll be one of the Dead Universe cast?

Well the plot's Klaus' idea, so I somehow doubt it. (:

Halfshell
2008-04-27, 12:08 PM
It's weird actually, IDW have played pretty much all the (Western), big b@D 'Con cards

Except for the Duocons and Firecons. They're obviously saving those for something big in the future.

I'm not that surprised by Devastator, tbh. The prototype gestalt is a six-man team, so it makes sense for the attempt to duplicate it to run off the same basis.

And I can't really see them going with LeoCaesar. :-/

Warcry
2008-04-27, 07:04 PM
Good call on Bugly and Mindwipe. What with Bludgeon having been a herald alongside Galvatron last time out, it'd make a sense for one of his Chaos Trinity buddies to be switched in. Bugly doesn't really have the name value, though. Actually was it Bugly? I really should check these things before I start typing...
It was Bugly, yeah. He owned Shockwave with one hit during the fight with him and Jetfire, but IIRC he just kinda...stood in the background and let Bludgeon and Mindwipe do all the cool stuff for the rest of the series.

If Yomtov had been doing the book, the poor guy would have ended up block-coloured 90% of the time.

Wouldn't surprise me. We've had three Spotlights that end with the central character put on ice indefinitely (Shockwave, Soundwave, Kup), and Ramjet's fate could easily be surmised as the same.
The only one of those that really works on those terms is Kup, though. Ramjet was obviously going to wind up scrapped from Page One, and Shockwave and Soundwave's stories had epilogue sequences that made it blazingly clear that the title characters would be returning.

An ending of "character gets blasted, narration cuts off in mid-sentence, fade to black" is more along the lines of what I was thinking. :)

I'd think Computron would pretty much be a given, considering the prominent role the Technobots have played both as a unit and in the analysis of the gestalt tech. Computron would be a sensible counterpoint to Devastator... beyond that, I'd be happy to not see another combiner appear ever.
I was really hoping they'd never show up, actually. Some of the most interesting characters in the TF universe are a part of gestalt teams, and it really annoys me that the only characterization 90% of them will ever get is "he turns into the left arm of this bigger guy".

Not that them not combining would necessarily mean they'd get any more exposure as characters, but at least that way we'd know that we'd never see the team walking around combined for an entire miniseries like in the DW books.

I'm not that surprised by Devastator, tbh. The prototype gestalt is a six-man team, so it makes sense for the attempt to duplicate it to run off the same basis.
But is it really a good idea to subject six useful engineers to a process that drove the last group of subjects off the deep end?

Halfshell
2008-04-27, 07:18 PM
I was really hoping they'd never show up, actually.

Mmm. It was going along quite nicely until Monstructor turned up. Though I was getting annoyed at the fact that most of the teams were still moving about as one unit anyway. Okay, so they're not walking about combined, but the Terrorcons may as well have been in the Sixshot Spotlight for all the attention they got...

But is it really a good idea to subject six useful engineers to a process that drove the last group of subjects off the deep end?

Hell no. The Constructicons are the sort of group who'd try everything they could to engineer the process to work, but there's no way they'd use themselves as guinea pigs as far as I'd see.

The Terrorcons in a desperate bid for popularity, yes. The Predacons, maybe, as they'd be prepared to take the risks involved. The Combaticons once they knew the process was stable and worked, probably. But the Constructicons aren't really best suited characterwise by any stretch.

I have massive difficulty seeing somebody like Hook sacrificing any degree of cognitive control. "Okay, we've pooled our strength... but I'm in charge, dammit. I don't have to listen to you... no, no - listen, I know what I'm doing. Shut up."

Warcry
2008-04-28, 03:24 AM
Though I was getting annoyed at the fact that most of the teams were still moving about as one unit anyway.
How many gestalt members have we seen in a non-cameo role without their teammates so far? Just Silverbolt and Swindle?

In a lot of ways I think IDW have squandered the benefits of their clean slate of a universe by keeping so many established character groupings (gestalts, Dinobots, Wreckers, etc...) together.

The Terrorcons in a desperate bid for popularity, yes. The Predacons, maybe, as they'd be prepared to take the risks involved. The Combaticons once they knew the process was stable and worked, probably. But the Constructicons aren't really best suited characterwise by any stretch.
It's not even so much a question of character for me as it is one of why their superiors would want them as guinea pigs. When you're trying to make a super-warrior you want the components to be soldiers themselves, not an engineering team.

Halfshell
2008-04-28, 08:03 AM
How many gestalt members have we seen in a non-cameo role without their teammates so far? Just Silverbolt and Swindle?

Blades had a [relatively, given the nature of most appearances] decent role in Megs Origin.

In a lot of ways I think IDW have squandered the benefits of their clean slate of a universe by keeping so many established character groupings (gestalts, Dinobots, Wreckers, etc...) together.

Oh, definitely. Even if it's not so bad as Dreamwave's criteria for being on the Cybertronian Council being "are you a second year Autobot car", it is slightly disappointing that the crew of the Ark-27 is the Targetmasters and Triggerbots. Predacons aside, the crew of the Thanatos is probably the best example of diversity we've seen so far, and that wasn't really anything out of the ordinary.

When you're trying to make a super-warrior you want the components to be soldiers themselves, not an engineering team.

Oh yes.

Stunnabot2280
2008-05-02, 12:35 PM
Sorry if someone asked this already...

Something interesting I've noticed about the sizes of two of our favorite oversized transformers:

Fortress Maximus: In "Spotlight: Arcee", Fort Max's robot mode is only slightly taller than Jetfire, and we don't get a chance to see how large his alt mode is.

Scorpinok: In Devestation #6, Scorpinok is very big, but not so much that he can't fit inside a room of a large factory. In "Spotlight: Grimlock", his robot mode is only slightly taller than Grimlock's. His alt mode is big enough to hold Grimlock in one claw, whereas his alt mode in the cartoon or comic continuity would make Grimlock look like a lil' bug.

Basically, I'm wondering if the folks at IDW are planning on doing something to them later on so that they both end up being the ginormous, small-city size that they were in the cartoon/comics, or if they just plan on having them remain as-is for this continuity. Any thoughts?

On another note, I was always curious: As far as the cartoon/comics are concerned, were Fort Max and Scorpinok supposed to be the same size as Metroplex and Trypticon?

Cliffjumper
2008-05-02, 02:24 PM
In Ye Olde Marvel comics, Fort Max and Scorponok were always more-or-less normal size - a bit taller than the rank and file, but only in the same sort of way, say, Ultra Magnus was in the cartoon. Trypticon was a bit bigger - I think roughly to scale with his toy when compared to the Dinobot figures. Metroplex's one comic appearance showed him to be bloody massive - possibly bigger than in the cartoon.

Always got the impression Scorponok and Max were smaller in the cartoon, but then the scale for the show was especially out of whack.

Stunnabot2280
2008-05-02, 03:16 PM
Ah, I see. I never really read any of the old Marvel TF comics, so I kinda assumed (wrong, of course) that they were portrayed the same way as in the cartoon. I always knew that there were plenty of things different in the comics than from the cartoon (Dinobots' origin, Grimlock being bad@$$ instead of comic relief, Megatron and Galvatron being two different bots, etc), but now I'm getting that "You THINK you know, but you have no idea" feeling.

Cliffjumper
2008-05-02, 03:32 PM
Heh, no worries. Not many big Transformers get much of a role in the comic - at least not while retaining their size, anyway. I guess that it's difficult to use something that sort of size regularly within the format - big battles like the regular Trypticon/Metroplex smackdowns would lose a lot in a few frames, and aside from that there'd be little for them to do. Those two got to be a bit bigger due to only appearing a couple of times, but FM and Scorponok were decided upon in the comic as new leaders of each side (the Movie characters not being used in the Marvel US material), so I guess they had to be made small to actually interact with their troops (Marvel did try to keep Omega Supreme in BIG SIZE, with the daft result that he'd be talking to Blaster or someone and only his leg would be in frame, with a speech bubble pointing up).

I guess drawing big robots surrounded by smaller ones was also a lot harder before digital publishing kicked in - artists today have the option of drawing a fully-detailed Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme, and then just shrinking Prime down and dropping him into the frame alongside the larger one. Back in the day, they'd have to hand-draw the little ones as well...

At one point in the comic, Brainstorm did create a larger body for Fort Max, and he did appear a *little* bigger for a while, before gradually shrinking back to how he was.

Simon Furman, who wrote a fair chunk of the Marvel before he started doing IDW G1, has always been a bit of one for making most Transformers more or less physically equal anyway - it can work nicely for things such as the Marvel UK incarnation of Galvatron, where he's able to tear through everyone else without any obvious sign of being bigger and better.

inflatable dalek
2008-05-02, 06:54 PM
Based on the look of him I'd say IDW Fort Max turns into something very similar to Armada Megs. Dreamwave Max was unique in that even though his body ws roughly the same size as in Marvel/IDW his forehead was 500% bigger.

slartibartfast
2008-05-02, 07:16 PM
scale us an issue enen wors tahn mairio kart.oversized characters can b trivcky to charcteridse, having prime gtalking to a gkneecap is a bit lacking.

althought I t might be a interseting area to ecplire, scale often just gets in the way of storytelling, big is poswergful, maybe nonthing more.

yay for theread-+jacking

MegatronIDW
2008-05-05, 07:30 PM
I'm thinking that the Hrdhead spotlight will have Nightbeat trying to figure out how to rid himself of the control...and then Hardhead just shoots him. He's been billed as a no nonsense problem solver and to cold bloodedly kill a team mate would make for a pretty powerful ending as well as reinforce the more mature, morally gray nature of the Autobots in the continuity.

The Magnificence is, I'm thinking, some kind of end game weapon that the Dead Universee guys are going to bring into play. With the name I'm wondering if it might be some kind of vampiric device that drains the life out of planets and feeds it into the "Dead Universe".

I'd love to see some obscure character be rendered bad ass by the Dead Universe plotline for the final two slots. One of those G2 characters that never got a proper chance to shine in the original comics maybe.

Devastator is a lock for the first combiner. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Bruticus and Predaking before too long given that the characters that make them up are already working together.

And what makes youso sure Arcee is going to be killed? Given what I saw of her I'd say Jhiaxus is the one who should be worried about going for "The big shutdown".

Halfshell
2008-05-06, 09:39 AM
And what makes youso sure Arcee is going to be killed?

Primarily it was an outlandish statement designed to provoke discussion.

But mostly because it's how I'd play it. Arcee's a psychopathic zealot who's obsessed with vengeance... she has nothing beyond Jhiaxus. Sure, we could deal with future plot strands where she tries to come to terms with her new place in the universe... but personally I think the poetry of the situation calls for her glorious sacrificial death at some point in proceedings.

zigzagger
2008-05-06, 10:30 AM
...the Dead Universe cast is going to be rounded out by two more characters (in addition to Novamesis Prime, Galvatron, Jhiaxus and Cyclonus) who we'll likely meet in Spotlight Cyclonus.Didn't Furman say that Liege Maximo will be showing up at some point? Does that count?


Why not round out the Movie-related characters with Blurr? Or Wreck-Gar?Now Wreck-Gar would be a nifty choice. The character is serviceable, and yet is underexposed (well, in contrast to the more iconic characters). I'd imagine he'd actually fit in quite nicely with the Dead Universe cast, though I am not making any speculations there, just be an interesting twist on the character people tend to recognise as the guy who watches too much television. Would shatter that preconceived notion real quick. Just brainstorming, but one possible G1 throwback (because people like them for some reason ;)) that could work well with the DU material is the quasi-indestructible ability that some of the Junkions used in the original cartoon. Plus, he has a few screws loose, potentially giving the character an element of tragedy. It worked for Kup with satisfying results, in my opinion.

Blitzwing
2008-05-06, 02:55 PM
I think that Wreck-Gar would make a good Spotlight character, but not in the "Dead Universe/Revelations" Saga. There are many different ways you can re-invent someone like him, but he would be better suited for a more light-hearted story, I think.

MegatronIDW
2008-05-12, 05:28 PM
Primarily it was an outlandish statement designed to provoke discussion.

But mostly because it's how I'd play it. Arcee's a psychopathic zealot who's obsessed with vengeance... she has nothing beyond Jhiaxus. Sure, we could deal with future plot strands where she tries to come to terms with her new place in the universe... but personally I think the poetry of the situation calls for her glorious sacrificial death at some point in proceedings.

I don't doubt she may well die in this arc. I just don't think Jhiaxus will kill her. She may well sacrifice herself to take him down but to build her up just to have her fail would be too anti climatic.

inflatable dalek
2008-05-12, 05:31 PM
Considering the build up was crap her death would be a welcome relief really.

Rossum
2008-05-13, 02:09 AM
I don't know, I'd like to see what she can do once Jhiaxus is no longer an issue. The Autobots need a good crazy-dangerous fighter on their side, now that Sunstreaker is all headmastered up. Plus, unless she gets a ton of storytime, her death is going to have pretty low impact. "Oh Arcee died? Huh. Man, she sure was mad all the time."

Halfshell
2008-05-13, 07:50 AM
It'd still be more than Outback got.

At least Outback's based on an actual toy, rather than being created solely for demographic purposes..

inflatable dalek
2008-05-13, 07:58 AM
Mind, Outback contributed more there than Wheeljack Jazz has in all his IDW showings.

Halfshell
2008-05-15, 03:12 PM
And still they killed him. See - nobody is safe!

By the looks of the most recent script wrap, it seems we'll get the return of everybody's favourite skull faced assassin.

Oh yes, I said there'd be spoilers. And now there are.

Bludgeon will be up and running and facing off with Jetfire by issue 4. What do we reckon to that, then?

Last we saw, he was a prisoner in Garrus-9. What would change that? The Dead Universe team setting Thunderwing loose on the planet, perhaps? Maybe a desperate roll of the dice by Fortress Maximus to consult with the only other TF to even remotely comprehend the Pretender technology?

Exciting!!!!

Discuss!

Oh, and in celebration of the big Nightbeat & Hardhead vs. The Population of Gorlam Prime (who have been turned into Transformers) showdown in issue 2. Who's your favourite Micromaster?

inflatable dalek
2008-05-15, 04:28 PM
That one who could fist things at long range.

Halfshell
2008-05-15, 04:31 PM
Aah. Moonrock.

MegatronIDW
2008-05-23, 06:58 PM
YEAH BOY!

Knew Bludgeon would be back, espcecially after his amazing new look Pretender shell (Okay, MOSTLY new look) and pitting him against Jetfire makes sense. The two are opposite in attitudes AND ideologies. Jetfire is a scientist, logical and rational, wheras Bludgeon is obsessed with mysticism and magic, as evidenced by his belief that "Sacrificing" planets would restore the "Spirit of Cybertron" and his groups cult like worship of Thunderwing.

So is he one of the new Dead Universe characters Furman mentioned? Did he mean "New" in the sense that they were new to the Dead Universe or new as in they were never before seen characters? In which case he might mean Six Shot and Bludegon which would fit neatly with the "Four Horsemen" idea someone brought up a while back. Galvatron is "Plague" as evidenced by his "Death Touch". Six Shot is "War" as that is all he was built for. Bludgeon is "Death" because...well, anyone whose fammiliar with the tradional depiction of Death should know why Bludegon fits nicely. And Cyclonus...famine? Maybe he can drain Energon from other Transformer's?

Y'know, I really hope this is what Furman has planned. The idea of a Transformers "Four horsemen of the Apocalypse" is pretty cool IMO. And the three we've seen so far (Assuming Bludgeon is one of them, which seems likely) seem to fit the pattern.

MegatronIDW
2008-05-23, 07:08 PM
First of all OMG: Denyer has "What ho, God's of the abyss" as part of his sig. Black Dossier wasn't as good as I hoped but that was worth the price all by itself. Haven't laughed that hard since Dubya's last attempt to seriously adress the nation and pretend he wasn't an inbred ass clown who rigged the votes.
Getting back on topic: Overall a good selection of Spotlight's. Optimus Prime and Galvatron nicely laid the foundation for the Revelation's saga, while giving us good character a moments. A Galvatron very different from the original (Never understood why the fans said he was too simmilar to his original self. Beside the whole" Rebellious herald" bit he's VERY different. For one thing he has no real desire to do harm to anyone from what i've seen. He does what he does to deceive his masters. Amoral perhaps but not the sociopath of the comics/cartoon). Soundwave was a great chance to see the double dealing mercenary in action. And Optimus Prime was good becaus eit gave us a peak into Op's head and helped explain why he sometimes seems so aloof from the others. He's forced to by the prssure of command, unable to show weakness in front of his fellow Autobot's for fear of damging morale.
Ramjet could be the weak link but I liked it. A fun little one shot in the mold of the "Comedy" G1 and Marvel tales (The good ones, not the ones about "Mechanibals" and space wrestlers)
with a blackly humerous twist. It may have started out as a comedy, with brain damaged facsimiles and jive talking androids but it's ll fun and games untils someone loses an eye...an arm...a leg...a head...

Blackjack
2008-05-31, 06:10 AM
In my opinion, Revelations will be featuring on the Combiners. They have been popping out everywhere. the Predacons, Swindle, the Combaticons, Silverbolt, Blades, the Constructicons, Airraid (cameo in Meg origin), the Stunticons (Meg Origin)....

I'm betting Thunderwing and Sixshot coming to be used as mindless drones by Novamesis Prime.

Scourge is surely in. Cyclonus and Galvatron.... They come in one set with Scourge.

More Micromasters are comfirmed by Furman in the Devastation TPB, so I'm expecting the more major patrols to be used (i.e. Roadhandler's patrol, Blackjack's patrol, Storm Cloud's patrol, Mudslinger's patrol, Countdown, Skystalker....)

Drivaaar
2008-05-31, 02:49 PM
There's definetely loads of Micromasters in Revelation. I'm not a MM expert, but the majority of them show up at some point or other, there's something like 30 of them I think.... little bastards to colour.

Blackjack
2008-06-03, 09:48 AM
My bet is that Blackjack and his Decepticon Race Track Patrol (my favourites, by the way, that's why I call myself Blackjack), which have been used to capture Nightbeat, will appear again as filler troops for the Dead Universe.

Roadhandler is the guy that fists things. He and Mudslinger's Off Road Patrol are major Autobot Patrols, I'm sure they will appear. Big Daddy's Hot Rod Patrol could also be used easily.

The Decepticon Air Strike Patrol (Storm Cloud, Whisper et al) and the Autobot Rescue Patrol (Stakeout, Fixit et al) will be my next best bet. Countdown, Groundshaker, Skystalker and Skyhammer have been used as major characters in DW's Micromasters too.

In my opinion, Micromasters will be tiny, fast mindless slaves for the dead universe, as well as from using Thunderwing, Bludgeon and Sixshot zombies. Go Micros!

As for Bludgeon, I am speculating that his Pretender body still exists, and locked down in Garrus 9. Hey, if they put Arcee's lightsabers there, why not put a pretender armor there? Otherwise, Galvy stole it along with Thunderwing's body. Fine and simple.

Starfield
2008-06-05, 02:34 PM
I really like Hot Rod in the IDWverse. He is one of the most developed characters for sure. However there are some mysteries about him. His character doesn't quite make sense to me. He is screaming for a more developed back-story.

He seems to have a phenomenally high rank. Why? While this matches his Tech Spec, he doesn't seem the type of bot that would rise that high in an Optimus Prime organization. The way he's written, it is more like he has his rank by privilege. Like he has connections to influential members of high Cybertronian families, or something. He acts like he takes power and authority for granted. He acts a bit like a spoiled prince.

He also came out of nowhere in Escalation and pretty much bumped Jazz out of the picture. IMO, his presence did a bit to undermine what has been established in Infiltration. Infiltration spent a lot of time establishing the Earth Team. Jazz was the Special Ops agent on the Earth team. He spent at least four years there getting to know the territory. He also spent that time learning to work with Wheeljack as a team. Hot Rod shows up and is given the same mission as Jazz had before. Search and rescue for a thrashed Autobot with Wheeljack. It should have been Jazz's mission. It totally demolished Jazz as a character and turned him into a second-string lightweight when Prime called Hot Rod in to take his place. TFTM all over again. :(

I know we were meant to get the feeling that the Earth Team as in over their heads, but they should have just had Prime call in reinforcements to help them do their job, and not call in elites to take over because they weren't up to it.

Imagine Transformers Animated if the Ultra Magus showed up and started calling in Elite Guard to do the missions of Prime's crew and you pretty much have Infiltration/Escalation.

Halfshell
2008-06-05, 02:47 PM
His character doesn't quite make sense to me. He is screaming for a more developed back-story.

He's got somewhat of a backstory, in regards to his Spotlight at any rate. Certainly more of a backstory than other characters.

He seems to have a phenomenally high rank.

Does he? Hadn't noticed. He's lead field missions, but beyond that...

The way he's written, it is more like he has his rank by privilege. Like he has connections to influential members of high Cybertronian families, or something.

No idea where that impression's come from.

He acts like he takes power and authority for granted. He acts a bit like a spoiled prince.

... you've read his Spotlight, yeah? Because his actions within are the complete opposite of what you're describing.

Hot Rod shows up and is given the same mission as Jazz had before. Search and rescue for a thrashed Autobot with Wheeljack.

Noooo... Hot Rod turned up as part of the reinforcements when Optimus Prime realised how advanced the situation on Earth was. His first mission was assisting in the capture of the FC in Brasnya.

I'm not saying that Jazz couldn't have been given the spot rescuing Wheeljack. But you seem to be skipping randomly over events here.

It should have been Jazz's mission. It totally demolished Jazz as a character and turned him into a second-string lightweight when Prime called Hot Rod in to take his place. TFTM all over again. :(

Or maybe Prime thought Jazz would be more useful shifting Ark-19 than Hot Rod. Being as Jazz is more familiar with the ship and Hot Rod only just arrived. Who's the faster of the two? Who can get to Ironhide first?

I know we were meant to get the feeling that the Earth Team as in over their heads, but they should have just had Prime call in reinforcements to help them do their job, and not call in elites to take over because they weren't up to it.

That's what they did. Yeah, the three brought in were specialists in certain fields, but Hot Rod's a different sort of Ops Agent to Jazz. His actions in his Spotlight illustrate why he may be better suited to a retrieval scenario.

Starfield
2008-06-05, 03:30 PM
That's what they did. Yeah, the three brought in were specialists in certain fields, but Hot Rod's a different sort of Ops Agent to Jazz. His actions in his Spotlight illustrate why he may be better suited to a retrieval scenario.I guess I'm just biased towards Jazz because he was one of my favorites. The Earth Team didn't have heavy artillery or a detective so Prime called Hardhead and Nightbeat. But they did have a Special Ops guy, although I suppose it would be fair to say Jazz was never solidly established as the Special Ops guy in anything but his Tech Spec. I would say that Jazz's familiarity with Earth would have made him a better choice for that mission than his familiarity with the Ark would make him for flying it around (are Arks that different from each other?), but that is my opinion and not Prime's.
Does he [have a phenomenally high rank]? Hadn't noticed. He's lead field missions, but beyond that...Hot Rod outranks Prowl in Escallation and Prowl outranks Springer in Spotlight: Kup, so his rank is pretty high anyway.... you've read his Spotlight, yeah? Because his actions within are the complete opposite of what you're describing.I get the impression that he takes it for granted that he has authority, with little chance of being demoted, even though he is not entirely comfortable with having that authority and thinks he has to prove to others that he deserves the authority he has, instead of already having proved himself worthy of his rank.

dotCommunism
2008-06-05, 07:30 PM
Hot Rod outranks Prowl in Escallation and Prowl outranks Springer in Spotlight: Kup, so his rank is pretty high anyway.

Does he actually outrank Prowl? Prowl just says that he doesn't outrank Hot Rod, which could also mean they're the same rank or that Hot Rod is outside of the traditional command structure due to his role. Of course the command structure itself seems pretty ill-defined in general.

I think you could make the case that rather than having authority, Hot Rod's mainly a free agent within the Autobot ranks. Due to his ability and specialization, he's allowed to mainly operate on his own, especially due to his authority issues (which I'm not sure is necessarily supported by this version of the character) and the trauma he underwent when his entire team was wiped out in his spotlight.

Chip1123
2008-06-05, 09:00 PM
Due to his ability and specialization, he's allowed to mainly operate on his own

makes sense as to why he was allowed to stay behind on Earth when the others left...

Blackjack
2008-06-06, 07:33 AM
Heck, Jazz and Hardhead are the only (earthbound) Autobots without any decent or solid role yet, acting as filler soldiers with 'speech patterns'. (Jazz being human-esque, Hardhead being triggerhappy and hardheaded). Furman is playing favouritism here, leaning more towards Ratchet, Hot Rod, Prime, Bumblebee and Prowl.

As for the earthbound Decepticons... Only Megatron, Starscream, BLitzwing, Astrotrain, Ramjet and (maybe) Skywarp with characterization. Thundercrackah, Runabout and Runamuck are just... fodder.

Halfshell
2008-06-06, 12:17 PM
Heck, Jazz and Hardhead are the only (earthbound) Autobots without any decent or solid role yet

Latter should change soon.

Starfield
2008-06-06, 02:07 PM
Does he actually outrank Prowl? Prowl just says that he doesn't outrank Hot Rod, which could also mean they're the same rank or that Hot Rod is outside of the traditional command structure due to his role. Of course the command structure itself seems pretty ill-defined in general.

I think you could make the case that rather than having authority, Hot Rod's mainly a free agent within the Autobot ranks. Due to his ability and specialization, he's allowed to mainly operate on his own, especially due to his authority issues (which I'm not sure is necessarily supported by this version of the character) and the trauma he underwent when his entire team was wiped out in his spotlight.You are making me feel better about Hot Rod. I understand his character more. It makes sense if he is somewhat outside of the general command structure. He doesn't follow Prime's lead. Nightbeat told him Prime didn't give orders to orbital jump into the action in Brasnya, but he did anyway, and, as Chip1123 said, he stayed behind on Earth. Ultra Magus isn't a regular troop either.

This doesn't mean I'm not still a little dissappointed that he edged Jazz out of the special mission, but Hod Rod is far more interesting in IDW, so let him at it.

dotCommunism
2008-06-06, 06:58 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is that Hot Rod being on that mission instead of Jazz is probably just a plot device to get Hot Rod away from the rest of the team so that he could stay behind on Earth. Of course who knows what the point was of having Hot Rod stay on Earth. Hopefully we'll know sometime this year.

Vincent
2008-07-02, 12:47 PM
Jesus Christ, how good a TF comic can you write?

I am so far loving IDW's work. Consistent plots, great characterization, fitting dialogue and character interaction that meshes beautifully.

However, I have to say that Spotlight: Kup is the best IDW I have yet read. The monologue is striking and detailed and gives you a nice shot of the (robo?) psyche.

And the art, though not polished and perfectly proportioned, is just at home with this particular issue.

Sorry if this has been reviewed already, but I just needed to share.

Blackjack
2008-08-09, 12:02 PM
A little thing I noticed... Sixshot's sole appearance is in Spotlight Sixshot and the devastation miniseries.

In all of this, he only showed five modes: Robot, jet, wolf, gun and tank. Except for on one of the spotlight covers, the 'Armored Car' mode was never shown. Not even on the splash page showcasing all of Sixshot's modes.

Of course, as with Astrotrain, it might not be shown at the early stages... What do you think?

Cliffjumper
2008-08-09, 12:24 PM
In the case of Sixshot, I guess it's more through lack of panels - unless there's a specific reason to use it, it's not hugely important... I mean, a lot of IDW Transformers might as well be Action Masters anyway (a common trait for Furman comics) for the amount they transform. If it was a more dramatic mode, I'd think it was maybe some sort of finishing mode (like the shitty 7th mode in Headmasters, and possibly accompanied by a Millar-lite line like "Why do you think I'm called Sixshot?" as he utterly destroys some no mark, who would then obviously be thrown in a CR chamber and be basically fine), but I can't see them bothering for arguably the plainest mode.

'Sides which, I doubt we're going to see much of the feller from now on.

Halfshell
2008-08-09, 01:30 PM
Mmm. I mean it's not like it has any destructive purpose. And that's what the montage page in the Spotlight were showcasing.

Just imagine the drama:

- The tank mode blows shit up!
- The wolf mode chases shit down!
- The giant gun blows shit up!
- The jet mode shoots shit down!
- The armoured car mode... uhm... drives about a bit.

It doesn't really equate well to TEH CARNAGE that they were trying to put across. It's the most redundant mode he's got. Well, aside from WINGWOLF!!!11, which is basically just his jet mode with a face on it. God, Headmasters needs burning.

Can't see it featuring too heavily in his next appearance either, presuming it's in the capacity I expect.

Jaynz
2008-08-09, 02:00 PM
Honestly, considering how the comics have been, I'm surprised they showed him in any alternative mode at all (except maybe jet)...

Dreadwing
2008-10-03, 02:04 AM
First off, where the hell is Spotlight Sideswipe? Its now a month overdue. After the cop out plot device with "the magnificence" I want to see how wonderfully everything will wrap up already.

When All Hail Megatron and Maximum Dinobots are finished, whats next? Is Furman going to be writing G1 still? Is McCarthy going to contnue his tales? Is G1 Just going to be done? Do you think after this, we might actually get an ongoing series? I think it would be cool if, and they are almost doing it now, if they had two ongoing series, one for the autobots and one for the decepticons. Sometimes stories could intertwine, other times they may have nothing to do with eachother. That is basically whats happening now with AHM and revelations/dinobots. McCarthy has the decepticons and Furman has the Autobots. Heaven forbid they do something creative.

I have talked with my local comics dealer and he says its making it harder on him and his customers by having a new #1 every 4 to 6 months. With all the reprints, movie line, animated line, and multiple G1 lines, we get a new #1 almost every month. That gets old and annoying real fast. I always have to clear up which series it is I actually want. I dont want to see #1, I want to see #100. We would be half way there by now if IDW werent jerks. They even dropped the continuity numbering from the barcodes! Now unless youve been following from the beginning, you have no idea what fits where!

Has anyone else noticed that, with the major exception of Devastation #6, the Revelations arc has been told almost entirely in the spotlights? Its almost as if Furman took what would have been the next 6 part arc and extended it to 10 or 11 parts by doing the spotlights. I thought of this when I was reading some of the spotlights and realised Spotlight Doubledealer is a direct sequel to Spotlight Hotrod, Spotlight Hardhead sequels Spotlight Nightbeat, Cyclonus sequels Galvatron, Arcee is almost a sequel to Prime. Its kind of neat that we get to see concurrent events in the same continuity at the same time.

There is one character that seems more deserving than anyone to get a spotlight and has not. That would be Starscream. He has more personality and schemes than anyone else in in tf line.

Jaynz
2008-10-03, 02:22 AM
I got to admit, I lost interest in the IDW series... pretty much at launch, really. They just felt like every other damn comic book on the shelves, lots of 'pin up' art, half-assed writing, stupid story-arcs, and ANGST! Not the 'angst from war' stuff which, ya know, a lot of the audience these days might be able to relate to, but the Hollywood-style angst where people get moody when they don't get Starbucks in the morning.

I kid, a little, but I never really found IDW interesting. Too much wankery, too little solid material. No one's talking about the 'great moments' in the supposedly 'mature' comic, the great characters... occaisionally it's 'guess the lame plot twist'.

Feh. I admit, I dislike it because I know I could do much better. :)

Denyer
2008-10-03, 02:35 AM
I have talked with my local comics dealer and he says its making it harder on him and his customers by having a new #1 every 4 to 6 months. With all the reprints, movie line, animated line, and multiple G1 lines, we get a new #1 almost every month. That gets old and annoying real fast. I always have to clear up which series it is I actually want. I dont want to see #1, I want to see #100. We would be half way there by now if IDW werent jerks. They even dropped the continuity numbering from the barcodes! Now unless youve been following from the beginning, you have no idea what fits where!
There are two separate issues there... starting as an ongoing, it's likely sales would've tailed off more quickly than they have; the comic launched on the back of a cancelled ongoing series from DW and consultation with retailers at the time supported miniseries. However, the subsequent saturation of titles, lack of reading guide in the comics, long gaps between miniseries, and lack of clear labelling on titles to show at a glance which are reprints / non-IDW reprints / etc. are all confusing or off-putting to potential readers.

I don't think, on current evidence, that AHM is going to finish at #12 with healthy sales -- having what's effectively an ongoing isn't necessarily a good thing.

Sideswipe is down for October 8th, and has been for some time. It's the price paid for painted interior art. It's not going to get great sales regardless -- putting the title out as Spotlights has ensured some retailers won't even touch it -- so we may as well wait and have the presentation got right.

After that... well, cynics might suggest that it isn't coincidence that MD has been pushed back to December whilst attempts are made to attract more attention to AHM, but it's as likely to be schedules. The loss of momentum between Devastation and MD will probably have another knock-on effect on sales, so whether we'll see much more is debatable.

A couple more issues (or some serious scaling back of subplots by Furman) and Revelation could've gone out much more gracefully, so the handling has been a great shame and a poor way to treat readers who've invested in following the arc for several years.

lots of 'pin up' art,
Which series were you pretending to pay attention to?

Jaynz
2008-10-03, 02:42 AM
Which series were you pretending to pay attention to?

Whatever introduced life-eating Galvatron. And, yes, that's as much as I was paying attention. Seriously... people are paid to write that crap?

Rossum
2008-10-03, 02:57 AM
...and ANGST! Not the 'angst from war' stuff which, ya know, a lot of the audience these days might be able to relate to, but the Hollywood-style angst where people get moody when they don't get Starbucks in the morning.


Aside from too much focus on Verity (which was dropped by the end of Infiltration), there hasn't been a lot of angst that I can see. Maybe Spotlights Kup and Hot Rod, but those could be classified 'war angst'.

Has anyone else noticed that, with the major exception of Devastation #6, the Revelations arc has been told almost entirely in the spotlights? Its almost as if Furman took what would have been the next 6 part arc and extended it to 10 or 11 parts by doing the spotlights. I thought of this when I was reading some of the spotlights and realised Spotlight Doubledealer is a direct sequel to Spotlight Hotrod, Spotlight Hardhead sequels Spotlight Nightbeat, Cyclonus sequels Galvatron, Arcee is almost a sequel to Prime. Its kind of neat that we get to see concurrent events in the same continuity at the same time.

The Spotlights have done a really good job of showing the wider TF universe beyond Earth and Cybertron and it's smart way to bring in other characters. But tying them heavily into the main continuity, without explicitly saying so, might not have been a good idea. It's proven confusing for some people (from what I've seen) and it's stuffed in a few too many plot threads to follow comfortably.

-Mainframe-
2008-10-03, 04:00 AM
I finally found almost every issue I have. :up:


So, everything is going to change and there will be an entirely new continuity?

Patapsco
2008-10-03, 09:43 AM
I finally found almost every issue I have. :up:


So, everything is going to change and there will be an entirely new continuity?

well... yes and no. It's still in the same continuity, just dropping some of the major plot points that have been in play since the start of Infiltration. I believe it's name is All Fail Megatron or something

Halfshell
2008-10-03, 09:45 AM
First off, where the hell is Spotlight Sideswipe? Its now a month overdue.

No it's not.

It was solicited for September.

Doubledealer was out on 20th August, so optimistically the next issue would have been out on the 17th September (four weeks later). More realistically, the 24th. In fact, it's coming out on 6th October.

How "the hell" does two weeks late count as "a month overdue"?

-Mainframe-
2008-10-03, 06:37 PM
well... yes and no. It's still in the same continuity, just dropping some of the major plot points that have been in play since the start of Infiltration. I believe it's name is All Fail Megatron or something

I was just reading Infiltration last night.

Hopefully, not much changes and what does change is for the better.

Commander Shockwav
2008-10-03, 07:52 PM
I said it before, I'll say it again.

One of the big reasons why so many fans feel "meh" about what IDW has produced is because of Simon's monotonous dialogue.

There really isn't much weakness in the plot. But the way to make things dynamic is to make the dialogue dynamic.

With time, Furmanisms have more and more impact on our enjoyment, to the point where you envision Simon talking, and not the actual characters.

That, and the six month gaps, in my mind, are most responsible for some of the lukewarm reception out there.

wolfbolt86
2008-10-04, 03:27 AM
Besides the gaps between the series releases, the only other thing I have a major grip is the somewhat lack of action in the series.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-04, 11:27 AM
At the moment I'm finding it hard to care anymore. I'll keep up with AHM mainly out of a morbid sense of curiosity but also because I don't expect the line to last much longer past the end of it and having come this far... My main hope is that Sideswipe pulss everything together well.

Halfshell
2008-10-08, 08:40 PM
Right minions, you know it's Desperate Measures time if I'm asking for your help, but be some absolute dears and tell me who the two characters I've subtley ringed in yellow are.

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For those wondering, the panel is from page 8 of Revelation Part 3. Ta muchly.

Anybody who helps gets to not get shouted at by me for the rest of the year. Maybe?

Cliffjumper
2008-10-08, 08:50 PM
Is they Decepticons? If yes, the left one in the middle may be Road Pig, or even Skyjack. If Autobots... Doublecross?

Halfshell
2008-10-08, 08:55 PM
They're Autobots. Doublecross was my first instinct, but upon comparison to toy/character models, I couldn't get it. I think the colours were inverted or something... a while back that I investigated it.

Left to right, we've got:
Catilla, Fastlane [or Cloudraker], Steppericochet, [pass], Searchlight, Cosmos, Cloudraker [or Fastlane], [pass] and Skyfall

Cliffjumper
2008-10-08, 09:26 PM
The kibble on his back really does look very Doublecross to me the more I look at it... how fixed are the IDW character models? Are they shifting all over the place, a la Dreamwave? Shame we don't get a really good look at his hands.

Sizzle, maybe? It'd be pretty radical, but I'm drawing a blank on other red/dark Autobots.

For the other chap... wasn't one of the Really Dragging It Out Autobot Pretenders green and brown? Crossblades?

zigzagger
2008-10-08, 09:34 PM
[pass] (the first one)

Though the colour scheme does seem to match the silver War Within Bluestreak, we know that he is blue in the IDW-verse so scratch that. The only other design (a Cybertronian-ized version of an original, of course) I could see matching this, and hasn't already been mentioned, is Crosscut. He has the headlight boobies and the colours seem to be in about the right place. That's a stretch though, since he's kind of an obscure character. But then so was Stepper/Richochet not too long ago (well, sort of), and it looks like he's there too (like you said).

Halfshell
2008-10-08, 09:41 PM
Gah.

Crosscut works, ish. But has silver thighs and a red groin, as does Doublecross.

Not that he can't be miscoloured, it's just... odd. I can't think of any other candidates, though.

Sunstreaker2
2008-10-12, 12:12 AM
Why does Furman bring in new characters only to kill them? Is it some misguided effort to not have to explain the characters? Outback, Leadfoot, Autobot Drench, various other characters...It would have been cool to see the more obscure, but it seems IDW's plans only involve stuff related to the Dead Universe.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-12, 06:28 PM
Outback wasn't killed by Furman. To be honest, if a story specifically requires someone get killed I'd rather it be a toy based character who isn't likely to do anything anyway rather than a generic. Not only does it make their impending demise less obvious (QV Team Non Entity in Spotlight: Hot Rod) but its probably a bit easier on the artist as well to draw a established face rather than spend time designing a new one.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-12, 06:45 PM
Good to see I'm not the only one who was put in mind of WW Prowl/Bluestreak...

I'm wondering if the colourist thought the second guy was supposed to be Hoist as featured on the previous page? The green/yellow/orange matches and he's standing in about the right place...

Sunstreaker2
2008-10-12, 08:52 PM
Outback wasn't killed by Furman. To be honest, if a story specifically requires someone get killed I'd rather it be a toy based character who isn't likely to do anything anyway rather than a generic. Not only does it make their impending demise less obvious (QV Team Non Entity in Spotlight: Hot Rod) but its probably a bit easier on the artist as well to draw a established face rather than spend time designing a new one.

But it ruins the opportunity for character to be given to the more obscure guys! We'll never know what AM Treadshot or Autobot Drench or Leadfoot or Clench was like because they DIED IMMEDIATELY. And IDW seems so ready to kill off characters that they had to create a new character (Fastback) to avoid having to explain how Outback could be in two places at once, and then killed HIM so they wouldn't have to explain just where he came from! IDW's redshirting of everyone who isn't Optimus, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker, or a Dead Universe guy is getting annoying.

Energon Hot Shot
2008-10-12, 09:34 PM
EDIT: Nevermind.



I agree with inflatable dalek. I'd rather have an existing character who isn't likely to have a noticeable role die instead of an obvious generic. It adds a little surprise, unlike in the original Star Trek where you're just waiting for the two redshirts Kirk brought along to get killed.

Denyer
2008-10-12, 09:45 PM
IDW is supposed to be retconning Megatron Origin out of the main continuity,
Source?

Energon Hot Shot
2008-10-12, 11:05 PM
Source?

I just finished looking around for where I read that, but I came up empty-handed. Take what I said as a grain of salt.

Civ
2008-10-13, 01:39 AM
Wow. I guess I'm the oddball. I've been really enjoying the IDW-verse quite a bit. AHM and all, with the exception of Megatron: Origin, which I thought wasn't as good as it should've been.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-13, 09:03 AM
But it ruins the opportunity for character to be given to the more obscure guys! We'll never know what AM Treadshot or Autobot Drench or Leadfoot or Clench was like because they DIED IMMEDIATELY.

We're a long way from being out of completely obscure characters to work with. Any story you might tell with Drench or Treadshot would work just as well with... well just about any of their respective contemporaries because they're such blank slates. It would have no effect on the story being told and is just a minor cosmetic detail as nice as it is for us any when we see that special toy only they love get that special treatment.

And look at the equally obscure characters introduced with Leadfoot, Skram and Road Rocket despite not being dead and featuring in several issues have less well developed personalities than he did. They're pure plot functions. Even Banzaitron, who has probably done best out of all the previously unused characters featured so far, has only managed a few dozen lines at most over three or four pages where he's been more concerned with expositioning at people than establishing a distinct character ("Most likely supposed to be played by Andrew Robinson" pretty much sums him up) despite him doing it with a degree of style.

And would Galvatron have been a better comic if Hound's team had been Skraam, Road Rocket and Whoremonger? At least as is there's a one in three chance of any of them being this weeks sacrificial lamb.


Treadshot's not dead the last time we see him either, though I will be highly surprised if we ever get a firm answer either way.

And IDW seems so ready to kill off characters that they had to create a new character (Fastback) to avoid having to explain how Outback could be in two places at once, and then killed HIM so they wouldn't have to explain just where he came from!

So your argument against IDW killing off Outback straight away in his first appearance his that it later stopped him being killed off straight away in his second appearance? It's worth noting that several Autobots who are seen is stories set later but published earlier are seemingly killed in Origin, that's not a problem with the way the company picks and chooses who buys the farm, it's a problem with either Milne or Holmes forgetting their writing a bloody prequel and not actually checking who's been in the modern day stuff first.

And let us not forget, despite being dead for the entirety of the issue Outback is a far more memorable character in Kup than anyone in Origin, except perhaps the fusion cannon. [Though I wouldn't personally put Outback on the same non entity level as the other characters you mentioned, decent minor but memoerable roles in the original cartoon and comics means he's had as big a moment in the sun as he's ever likely to get].

One other factor to consider is that if any writer in the future does feel a desperate need to feature all of Rotor Force they can contrive to bring them back with a "Whew, lucky we found the cure for that Dead universe funny handshaek eh?" line. Though these days I suspect they'd just hope we wouldn't notice (look at Blaster/Stormbringer for some serious fudging around a non dead character).

POTENTIAL [BUT VAGUE] SPOILERS FOR RECENT ISSUES!!!! DO NOT READ ON IF YOU WISH TO BE COMPLETELY UNSPOILERISED!!!!!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU CRY!!!!



IDW's redshirting of everyone who isn't Optimus, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker, or a Dead Universe guy is getting annoying.



Without going into specific spoilers, some of your annoyances are over with now. And if I want to be really nitpicky, the Dead Universe guys have been technically dead since we first met them...
I do appreciate the irony of you hating the fact Sunstreaker hasn't died as far as you've read yet though.

Blackjack
2008-10-13, 12:41 PM
The one on the right looks like a Throttlebot/Minibot to me... But the design I cannot recognize...

The one on the left is Sprocket I think, or one of the action masters.

A miscoloured WW Smokescreen/Bluestreak is the most logical choice though. :D

Patapsco
2008-10-13, 01:00 PM
I've actually enjoyed most of the IDW stuff so far except Megatron: Origin which still makes my brain freeze after the twelth or so read. Is it just me or do massive pages of plot development seem missing?

Anyway, I may be in the minority but I loved Infiltration as a scene setter but I can also appreciate the criticisms that came its way. By the same point, Devastation irks me no end as the whole thing seems like a mess pretty much from the second Sixshot arrives on Earth all the way through to its far-too-rushed conclusion. My biggest gripe is still with the Reapers, as there could have been another way of getting Sixshot into the story with the same doubts towards the Decepticon cause without involving an alien race of killing machines.

Halfshell
2008-10-13, 05:03 PM
The one on the left is Sprocket I think, or one of the action masters.

Sorry, don't see that at all... unless you're talking about the guy on the far left, who's Catilla.

Halfshell
2008-10-14, 01:02 PM
Wow. I guess I'm the oddball.

Finally you realise.

Civ
2008-10-14, 10:58 PM
Finally you realise.

Yep, only took 30 years to figure that out.

another tf fan
2008-10-15, 01:07 AM
I think some of the unsolved plotlines in SIDESWIPE will be revealed in AHM.

NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE
2008-10-16, 05:11 AM
I'm enjoying IDW's continutity my big issue is I needed to go back and reread all the series and one shots over again, I kind a forgot what had gone on from issue to issue and series to series.

Must be getting old.

inflatable dalek
2008-10-31, 08:43 PM
So what do we think will happen, what do we want to happen and what shouldn't ever be allowed?

Obviously for it not to suck will be the main one. I'd like Furman to concetrate on finishing the stories he's started rather than starting 50 new threads that clog up the plot and result in everything not getting resolved properly. I'd like a decent resolution to the dangling Magnificence plotline.

I'd also like it all to lead seamlessly into AHM. I doubt this.

zigzagger
2008-11-02, 10:07 PM
Let's see here.....which threads remain?
Surprisingly, I've notice the remaining material seems to overlap quite nicely, so hopefully (emphasis on hope) things will come together nicely.

Here is my little wish list (maybe I’ll add more as discussion grows)….

The Dinobots: Really, I just hope the Dinobots actually receive significant page time, and not be managed in Revelation-esque manner. Trivial as it may sound, the title of this book has been a concern of mine - albeit a rather minor one. It does set the expectations rather high (particularly for first timers). I'd hazard a guess that the choice of the mini's title was more of a marketing decision (edit: chances are I could be very wrong, it just strikes me that way), though, personally, some contrived "-tion" title probably would have suit this mini better, as MD seems awfully constricting considering what needs to be wrapped up here. I'm hoping for a nice balance between what is being advertised and what back-story needs to be told.

Shockwave: This, of all things, I'm expecting to receive proper closure. I will be disappointed if it doesn't. Very disappointed. That is all I really have to say here.

Soundwave: I'm not nearly as concerned with this one, since I can't imagine it taking up nearly as much page time as the others threads, but some resolution would be oh so lovely. Plus, Furman actually writes a nifty Soundwave. It would be nice to know at some point when he was retrieved by Ravage and Laserbeak (rather than it being construed off-panel!!!!), how he undoes the imposed alt-mode lock, and maybe how he reunites with Megatron's merry little band - who are preparing for their family vacation to New York City. I'd be nice not to have to theorize how he got from being a tape deck in some kids room, to watching Frenzy eviscerate humans in AHM a year later.

Huntstreaker: I'd like some explanations here, especially since, by the looks of things, the original Sunstreaker appears to have a body again in AHM. Plus, of the three main human characters, I favored Hunter the most. I'd be saddened to see him lost in the shuffle. And really, I wouldn't mind a nice send off for Verity and Jimmy as well.
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Terome
2008-11-02, 10:35 PM
I'd like to find out the purpose of the Dinobots, myself. In the Shockwave Spotlight, they seemed to be hideously well-equipped, almost entirely self-sufficient and able to waltz around the galaxy mucking about with high-import members of the opposing army without anything more than a cross word from Prime. There's a lot to be divined here about how the Autobots operate and what their actual goals are.

Also, I wonder if that 'Machination Empire' mentioned in Revelation is going to be a part of Maximum Dinobots or is a placeholder for a future series... I've a horrible feeling that Scorponok and his whole thing is going to be put to bed at the end of this series, which would be another unnecessary truncation up on the big old board.

And Snarl. He's my favourite. Because Stegosauruses are my favourite. That's how it works.

inflatable dalek
2008-11-03, 08:22 AM
Soundwave: I'm not nearly as concerned with this one, since I can't imagine it taking up nearly as much page time as the others threads, but some resolution would be oh so lovely. Plus, Furman actually writes a nifty Soundwave. It would be nice to know at some point when he was retrieved by Ravage and Laserbeak (rather than it being construed off-panel!!!!), how he undoes the imposed alt-mode lock, and maybe how he reunites with Megatron's merry little band - who are preparing for their family vacation to New York City. I'd be nice not to have to theorize how he got from being a tape deck in some kids room, to watching Frenzy eviscerate humans in AHM a year later.

Plus they need to do the thing where loosing a drinking game forces him to talk like a twat for a year.

And really, I wouldn't mind a nice send off for Verity and Jimmy as well.


They would have been with Prime's crew still the whole time wouldn't they (unless Ratchet had to throw them off the ship half dead)? Assuming the two titles are supposed to be happening at the same time I can't see them getting any more screen time than just been dropped off at the end.

The fact the Decepticons have a puppet poised to become the next US President needs to be at least shut down as well [I bet wherever Furman was originally going with that has been shunted to the President Allen plot in the UK comic).

Starfield
2008-11-03, 05:06 PM
They would have been with Prime's crew still the whole time wouldn't they (unless Ratchet had to throw them off the ship half dead)? Assuming the two titles are supposed to be happening at the same time I can't see them getting any more screen time than just been dropped off at the end.Which brings up another point. Ratchet and Jazz are somewhat conspicuously absent from Revelation. They were last seen with Jimmy and Verity. Maybe they got dropped off on somewhere safe to guard the humans during thier recovery? Seems like a stretch to use Jazz as guard duty while the whole Revelation thing was going on, but he was absent...

Speaking of Jazz, that brings up another minor point. Is there a good reason he seemed to be promoted?

Red Dave Prime
2008-11-03, 10:46 PM
I'll b e curious how this works out. Hopefully there is some sense in the planning of issues here as we know certain things have/ have not happened thanks to AHM. Hot Rod wont be destroyed yet Furman on his blog seemed to be hyping Him being bashed up bad. I dont see Shockwave getting m ore then a bit part thanks to jetfires speech at the end of revelations either (he'll be freed I'm sure but I guess he wont have much more of an effect on the series.)

Possibly we'll see one or more of the dinobots bit the dust. But I doubt that. Scorponoks headmasters are the most likely casualties with maybe the big guy himself.

Maybe its because we are already past the point in the plotlines wth AHM but this has gone from being an event series to being more of a fill in the gaps story. And that aint right surely?

Blackjack
2008-11-04, 09:44 AM
What I want to see resolved in Maxi Dinos:

-Soundwave (same with ziggy)

-Shockwave (same with ziggy)

-Ramjet. A little afternote to what Megatron did with Ramjet's remains would be nice. As well as what happens to little MC.

-The Constructicons and Insecticons must be shown to get to earth, and the Constructicons must be able to get the secret of combination, just for the sake of continuity.

-Hot Rod and Huntstreaker should meet IMO.

-The vengeance-seeking Blaster must appear. At all costs.

-While Furman had given Grimlock and Swoop glorious characterization in the past, Sludge and Snarl and Slag have not, so I'll appreciate if the trio gets more screen time. My fave Dino is still Swoop though.

CounterPunch
2008-11-11, 12:13 PM
OK,

So, in the past few days I've read Infiltration, Escalation, Devastation, Stormbringer and the first 15 issues of Spotlight (Shockwave-Wheelie) and I have come to some conclusions -

I did like In/Esc/Dev for the most part, I know alot of people had their issues but I enjoyed a more espionage take on TF (with the galactic war aspect taking place in other books)

Most of the issues of Spotlight have been VERY VERY good, with the exception of Mirage and one or two others.

The quality of artwork in IDW is brilliant E J Su has produced some fantastic work, Guidi brilliant, Don is great as usual, Roches artwork is imaginitive original and just a joy to view.

Milne is the biggest flaw, not necessarily in terms of his pencils, but the need to constantly make every page look almost black renders the ability to read the story properly quite difficult.

While I did say that Don is great as usual I do have a gripe -

Whats with them not inking his pencils? His work just looks so murky nowadays compared to the G1 ongoing which IMHO looked amazing.

Oh and, I'm sorry, I was a massive fan of him when I was an active member of the TF art community BUT I'm really getting turned off of reading books based on Josh Burchams colours, Spotlight Shockwave and Wheelie were good, but everything else I've read (where I've noticed its him colouring) hes covered every page in over the top glowing effects, scatter effects, covered anything in a dirty grainy texture. He just feels the need to cover everything in some weird textured glow. He's a talented colourist, no doubt, but I feel his reliance of glow effects can SERIOUSLY detract from his work, its better when it's muted and doesnt look like he went through and used ever effects brush Photoshop has.

It just feels his colours overpower the pencils (especially when he does them on Dons art work, which as previously stated isnt being inked)

Prowl1984
2008-11-11, 12:38 PM
well i would be enjoying it right now but my massive problem with IDW is how hard it is to get hold of the Escalation and Spotlight Vol.1 TPBs i've been trying for 4 months...

Cliffjumper
2008-11-11, 03:45 PM
Is it only four months? I feel like I've been hearing about that for four years...

Erm, my problems with IDW TF... I dunno, do I really need to say? I'll try and bullet-point...

- Spectacularly inconsistent pacing
- An inability to decide if it's an adult-orientated thriller (careful, militaristic approaches by both sides, and so on) or a kids' comic (Formersovietrepublicya, Avril Lavigne and the Amazing Adventure Kids)
- 4.672 parallel plot threads, none of which have gone anywhere interesting.
- A complete failure to marry fascinating ideas with similarly interesting stories
- A reluctance to up the stakes due to massive amounts of character armour. Had no-one stopped Furman's rampage of mediocrity, I suspect Nightbeat would have turned up okay after a spell in a CR chamber.
- Men in black. Because it is 1998, and people still love that stuff.
- Attention-whore spotlights
- Self-contained mini-series that you need to read other self-contained mini-series to have a chance of understanding, which feature no closure and sometimes no advancement of the plot whatsoever (Devastation is basically "the Autobots and Decepticons have a bit of a scuffle, no harm done"), and are duller than Treadshot A1.

- Actually, my biggest issue with IDW TF is that someone finally gave Furman all the stuff he's been bitching about wanting, like complete control and the chance to build a universe from the ground up, and he blew it, delivering a few years' worth of largely mediocre comics so that the publishers had to replace him with Don Glut. Thanks, Furman.

CounterPunch
2008-11-11, 08:46 PM
- Actually, my biggest issue with IDW TF is that someone finally gave Furman all the stuff he's been bitching about wanting, like complete control and the chance to build a universe from the ground up, and he blew it, delivering a few years' worth of largely mediocre comics so that the publishers had to replace him with Don Glut. Thanks, Furman.

Thats something else Ive thought about as well, Furmans been given free reign with this to build a cohesive universe, and while, for the mostt part it does tie together, it just doesnt feel like it, Stormbringer just doesnt feel like it takes place in the same universe as Infiltration...

Maybe thats actually the point, half of their output feel like DW relics, while half feel like genuine attempts to do their own thang.

Rossum
2008-11-12, 07:00 AM
- Attention-whore spotlights


Oh come on.

Cliffjumper
2008-11-12, 01:45 PM
Oh come on.

Wheelie and Arcee were both shoehorned into the universe for an attention-grabbing solicit.

Patapsco
2008-11-12, 03:37 PM
The only part I have huge, huge problems with is Devastation. I appreciate the much slower pace of Infiltration and the build in Escalation and expected Devastation to be six issues of robot killing and, well, devastation. What I got was plot threads picking up then dropping, useless plot devices (Hello Reapers!), stuff being sorted off panel and more importantly, not enough actual devastation. Another thing I found jarring was the art shift halfway through, mainly because I like Su's work on the main title, but thats a minor quibble compared to the whole mound of, well, mish mash that Devastation ended up. Other than that, I've had minor quibbles with the other parts of the series but not enough to truely dislike or hate it completely. And no, I haven't picked up either Revelations or All Hail Megatron yet, mainly because I'm skint.

Raksha
2008-11-21, 03:57 PM
So, what do people think about the fact that the Swarm will be appearing
I found bits of G2 interesting but the Swarm were a fairly generic faceless, personality devoid threat so I'm not thrilled that their going to be taking the spotlight in the series. Of course Mcarthy might put an interesting twist on them

snavej
2008-11-21, 04:07 PM
The Swarm: similar to 'The Warm' but with the extra zing of 'S'. We may see this doo-dah explained more fully in AHM. I like explanations.

MeGrimlock
2008-11-21, 04:14 PM
Not sure this should be in News, however... G2? You wish.
I'd say it's Sunbow time again and that the Swarm is a bunch of Insecticon Clones :P

snavej
2008-11-21, 04:35 PM
It might be a bunch of tiny Michael Bays demanding more action and explosions.

zigzagger
2008-11-21, 06:45 PM
Not sure this should be in News
Yeah, I'm going to say that it is not. Moved

Grufflock
2008-11-22, 03:40 AM
If true, could be intresting. if not, possibly for the better.

Denyer
2008-12-02, 07:18 AM
Update: Furman interview at Comic Book Resources --

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19100

Quickie before I head off to work...

http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5018

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2199/maxdinos01day01ly5xe9.jpg

More teasers in this week following and next!

MeGrimlock
2008-12-02, 09:50 AM
It's available on Deviant Art too (and I'm placing here a link, just because I love this image :) ) :
http://th08.deviantart.com/fs39/150/f/2008/336/d/c/DINO_DAYS_1_by_Transformers_Mosaic.jpg (http://transformers-mosaic.deviantart.com/art/DINO-DAYS-1-105200793)

There is so much energy in this art. And I know I'm going to love the story.

Blackjack
2008-12-03, 04:09 AM
OooOOoooooOOooh!

I think I'm gonna love Maxie Dinos. Was reading the Marvel reprints when I came into this thread. Between the rest of IDW's input (Stormbringer, EJ Su and Nick Roche come to mind) and this, the artwork of TFs have really gone far. Gonna love this series...

Unless it causes more continuity problems, of course. :p:p

MeGrimlock
2008-12-03, 07:45 AM
The new teaser is panel one of page 2 (just panel one):

http://th03.deviantart.com/fs38/150/i/2008/337/5/3/DINO_DAYS_2_by_Transformers_Mosaic.jpg (http://transformers-mosaic.deviantart.com/art/DINO-DAYS-2-105270379)

Cliffjumper
2008-12-03, 09:31 AM
"Maximum mayhem"? Stan Lee writing this one?

inflatable dalek
2008-12-03, 09:36 AM
He could only be an improvement on the recent Furman?McCarthy outtput.

Great art from Roche, lets hope that unlike Sideswipe the pwetty pictures aren't a desperate attempt to polish a turd of a script.

MeGrimlock
2008-12-05, 07:48 AM
Slag and Sludge:
http://th08.deviantart.com/fs38/150/f/2008/338/1/c/DINO_DAYS_3_by_Transformers_Mosaic.jpg (http://transformers-mosaic.deviantart.com/art/DINO-DAYS-3-105353422) http://th09.deviantart.com/fs38/150/i/2008/339/5/b/DINO_DAYS_4_by_Transformers_Mosaic.jpg (http://transformers-mosaic.deviantart.com/art/DINO-DAYS-4-105415249)

Halfshell
2008-12-05, 08:57 AM
Great art from Roche, lets hope that unlike Sideswipe the pwetty pictures aren't a desperate attempt to polish a turd of a script.

I think the phrases "Dynobots woz ere" and "we came, we saw, we trampled" may contain an indication re the answer...

Cliffjumper
2008-12-05, 09:02 AM
Aye... the worst bit is these are considered the kind of lines to get everyone amped about the thing. "Me Grimlock Badass" all over again.

What's the difference between Furman and McCarthy that had us all so wound up again?

inflatable dalek
2008-12-05, 09:11 AM
Perhaps it'll turn out the Dynobots first woke up in Roman times to give Tacticus (hopefully I've not muddled him with the Discworld version) that quote so it isn't a horribly anachronistic crap attempt to be funny? No?

Cliffjumper
2008-12-05, 09:19 AM
Well, either you've got the Roman one wrong (Tacitus) or you've got the real Tacticus' race wrong (both were Greek). Asterix guest-star Julie C was the man who nailed the actual quote. Still, it was a good joke so I'll let it ride.

inflatable dalek
2008-12-05, 09:23 AM
Asterix guest-star Julie C was the man who nailed the actual quote.

Was that the same night he did the "fisting Normon Lamont" gag? Actually,l I'd pay good money if the Dynobots used that quote instead...

zigzagger
2008-12-06, 02:43 AM
Already mentioned this in the Comic Hub, but here goes...
Chris Ryall has posted a 5-page preview on his blog.

Touch it. It's "Dino-mite" according to the blog entry. (http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/2008/12/dino-mite.html)

Cliffjumper
2008-12-06, 07:46 AM
It's "Dino-mite" according to the blog entry. (http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/2008/12/dino-mite.html)

I trust Ryall, he's never been one to resort to hyperbole to sell mediocre comics.

inflatable dalek
2008-12-06, 12:34 PM
Couldn't most of that have been covered by the recap page?

Denyer
2008-12-07, 12:31 PM
What's the difference between Furman and McCarthy that had us all so wound up again?
With a story like this, a different flavour of nostalgia.

More generally, Furman doesn't tend to put his foot in things when in public, and there's some substance beyond kewl kwotes and fight scenes. He also tends to build on earlier work, however gnarly the connections get, rather than throw it out of the window because he can't be bothered.

Cliffjumper
2008-12-07, 03:33 PM
Like when he switched to the US book and didn't just junk the Cybertronian stuff he'd spent years on in the UK series despite there being every opportunity to bring it in and not have Cybertron be the size of a football with a population of nine, right?

I'd argue the substance > kewl quotes ratio has declined considerably, as has the substance > kewl concept ratio ("Let's tell the world what I think of female Autobots!" "Why, what does it have to do with the story?" "**** you, I want to tell the world what I think of female Autobots!").

Plus that really is some awful dialogue, and it's quite worrying that frames of the Dinobots (sorry, Dynobots...) smashing shit up and spouting banal crap is being chosen to push this...

Denyer
2008-12-07, 03:56 PM
Like when he switched to the US book and didn't just junk the Cybertronian stuff he'd spent years on in the UK series despite there being every opportunity to bring it in and not have Cybertron be the size of a football with a population of nine, right?
It's established by Xaaron that he still has a resistance, ergo Cybertron still has some kind of population. A few months from cancellation and with the requirement to get ActionMasters into the comic isn't really the time to start going "hey, you remember The Smelting Pool and other stray glimpses of Cybertron? there might be some kind of society still existing top-side rather than digging as far into the planet as it can as fast as it can, and I want to show you it..."

Bringing Xaaron across was a start, and had a sudden wrap not been called for we might have seen the resistance brought out of the depths. Or the intention may have been that most were killed by the pointy mechs (that was a rather weak side-plot to have started up, as was spending an issue tying off Galvatron rather than just calling him dead.)

The concept book (Revelation, Expansion, etc) got cancelled -- Maximum Dinobots is unlikely to be much more than a knock-around title, and if does turn out to be more than that I'll be quite happy.

Halfshell
2008-12-07, 04:15 PM
Couldn't most of that have been covered by the recap page?

Do the recap blurbs get carried over to the trades?

inflatable dalek
2008-12-07, 05:03 PM
Do the recap blurbs get carried over to the trades?

Is there any reason they couldn't put one in the trade?

Cliffjumper
2008-12-07, 06:18 PM
It's established by Xaaron that he still has a resistance, ergo Cybertron still has some kind of population. A few months from cancellation and with the requirement to get ActionMasters into the comic isn't really the time to start going "hey, you remember The Smelting Pool and other stray glimpses of Cybertron? there might be some kind of society still existing top-side rather than digging as far into the planet as it can as fast as it can, and I want to show you it..."

It's more that Cybertron (which let's not forget, was huge in the comics - certainly big enough that you couldn't see the curve of the planet in the middle-distance) and it's population are so obviously reduced that it's difficult to take it seriously. I'm not saying there should have been an issue devoted to Whirl kicking around Cybertron with Pipes (though it would have been preferable to "The Last Autobot"), but not contradicting things for no apparent reason (I mean, just make Unicron bigger...) would have been a lovely touch.

Bringing Xaaron across was a start, and had a sudden wrap not been called for we might have seen the resistance brought out of the depths. Or the intention may have been that most were killed by the pointy mechs (that was a rather weak side-plot to have started up, as was spending an issue tying off Galvatron rather than just calling him dead.)

I personally think you're giving a bit too much credit there... the underworld dwellers are just desperate "Shit, what are we going to do now?" material... TBH, between them, another desperate attempt to make Fortress Maximus interesting, Grimlock's idiotic leadership (which made both him and Prime look stupid), the implication that Unicron's herald could be killed by a dunk in some chilly water and Optimus getting resurrected after about half an hour, I'm not sure I wouldn't have been happier with it ending at #75. The only particularly good bit in the last five issues is Ratchet lamping Starscream, and TBH even that got screwed up as Megatron and Starscream survived, meaning Ratchet simply found a complicated, melodramatic way of killing Shockwave...

The concept book (Revelation, Expansion, etc) got cancelled -- Maximum Dinobots is unlikely to be much more than a knock-around title, and if does turn out to be more than that I'll be quite happy.

I like knock-around - I read Asterix the Gaul and have half of Voltron on DVD. Dialogue that doesn't make me wince with its' faux-cool posturing is generally a no-no for knock-around.

Halfshell
2008-12-07, 08:38 PM
Is there any reason they couldn't put one in the trade?

Is that a "no"?

inflatable dalek
2008-12-07, 09:25 PM
Is that a "no"?

It's a "If they had any sense they'd put one in", even casual readers dipping in and out of the book ae likely hyperthetical now. Mind, whilst I've brought trades for people as presents I've never actually looked inside so can't say for sure that they never have in the past. This just needs to hit the ground running a bit more than doing a extended recap/meet the characters sequence.

Red Dave Prime
2008-12-08, 11:27 PM
Just a quick jab but on one page Grimlock describes Earth as a dismal speck of a planet (fair enough I suppose in the grand scheme of things) but then frets about Megatrons Decepticon Army about to conquer earth (oh nos!) on the next page. Erm, if its a shit hole of a planet who cares?

Anyway, I have to say the art looks great. Theres nothing much of the storyline to be seen for the moment in those five pages (after all, its all just recap)

Brings me to thinking but are half of the pages connected to grimlock and the machination storyline recap pages? Considering how little has gone on it seems like they keep telling us what happened.

Halfshell
2008-12-09, 09:15 AM
It's a "If they had any sense they'd put one in", even casual readers dipping in and out of the book ae likely hyperthetical now. Mind, whilst I've brought trades for people as presents I've never actually looked inside so can't say for sure that they never have in the past.

It's a "I have no idea" then. Helpful.

Twas a genuine question. Still actually stands. Only people who actually have the answer from now on please?

CounterPunch
2008-12-10, 10:20 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19100

little article there bout Furman and Max Dinos

Denyer
2008-12-10, 07:21 PM
Neat.

And congratulations to IDW for breaking all links to their forum that reference the directory it was in rather than a subdomain.

Dreadwing
2008-12-16, 01:36 AM
[QUOTE=Denyer;628407]There are two separate issues there... starting as an ongoing, it's likely sales would've tailed off more quickly than they have; the comic launched on the back of a cancelled ongoing series from DW and consultation with retailers at the time supported miniseries.QUOTE]

Has everyone forgotten that DW also put out an ongoing for Armada/Energon? If I remember right, That came out consistantly every month from the time DW got the liscense until they shut down.

Having an ongoing makes it more fun to collect the books. A #1 feels like it is worth something when the series keeps going. Imagine if X-Men or Detective Comics had Restarted for every story arc.

zigzagger
2009-02-01, 01:17 AM
For those who may be interested, the Transformers: Revelation TPB is due to arrive February 4th along with All Hail Megatron #7.

Read discussions for the individual issues here:

Cyclonus: http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=44173
Hardhead: http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=44414
Doubledealer: http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=44699
Sideswipe: http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=45143

limabean
2009-02-12, 06:14 PM
seeing as how i was the colourist i think i should be able to help

Catilla, Fastlane, Stepper, Silverstreak, Searchlight,Cosmos, Cloudraker, Hoist Skyfall

it wasnt hoist on page 7 either, thought it would be fun to sneak in a cameo for a bkg character called crackshot from spotlight hot rod


oh and i looooves me some obscure characters

Halfshell
2009-02-12, 06:50 PM
seeing as how i was the colourist i think i should be able to help

Your facts are useless against me!

Er... I mean "you'd be the one who'd know!"

oh and i looooves me some obscure characters

Oh, don't we all. It's half the fun!

Cheers for that. Though I'm inclined to say that Silverstreak is technically cheating, I'll let you off on the grounds that you could just have let me stew in my own juices and never said. Top stuff. :)

Good work team! Limabean wins this thread.

inflatable dalek
2009-02-12, 09:19 PM
limabean I love you in a slightly wrong way.

Auntie Slag
2009-02-12, 10:00 PM
Yeah, he ain't no tracer.

How do you get into colouring and so on as a job? I always used to stay in the lines as a kid. All the other muppets scribbled their colour willy nilly over the page.

Actually all I really want to know is, is it a really cool job or does it have a negative impact on your love for Transformers? I'm guessing you are a fan right?

Inside the lines, just mention my name if there's a spare job going, nudge nudge:poke:

Patapsco
2009-02-15, 11:41 PM
mine arrived Friday morning from Amazon. I'll probably need another read through to give a full perspective though

Denyer
2009-02-16, 06:28 PM
Maybe we should have a general Spotlights trades/overview thread, for those who want to discuss them as a whole?

Maybe split the "Which spotlight do you want to see next?" thread and merge this to the Spotlight index one?

Cliffjumper
2009-02-16, 06:57 PM
QQ I've been wondering about since Stormbringer: if four issue trades are seemingly perfectly viable, why were Infiltration/Escalation/Devastation terminally stretched to six issues each?

zigzagger
2009-02-16, 07:02 PM
Just to make sure I'm on the same page - you want to split up the index page and place the individual links into their corresponding TPB volume thread (four, eventually to be five, TPB threads)?

Denyer
2009-02-16, 07:16 PM
Nah, just have somewhere people can talk about spotlights in general - and the stickied spotlight index thread seems as good a place as any. Or does the general IDW spoiler discussion thread serve that purpose?

why were Infiltration/Escalation/Devastation terminally stretched to six issues each?
Blame can probably be apportioned equally between Furman and the editors. I don't think Infiltration runs long, personally -- but it suffers from lack of wrap-up and the gap between it and Escalation. Escalation and Devastation then suffer from subplot-itis, bogging down each strand.

Cliffjumper
2009-02-16, 07:33 PM
I dunno, I re-read what I have recently in order, and it suffers more now, IMO - due to the large focus on the kids, and their none-too-subtle side-tracking. Don't get me wrong, I thought they were crap and was glad to see them move aside in favour of characters with personalities (y'know, personalities devised by Bob... ;)), but then it makes it a bit of a waste that they were given such a central role early on at the expense of the long-term plot. My problem with the pacing of Infiltration I've banged on about before - it's the jarring switches between decompression and infodump - if they'd picked one or the other, it'd have been more successful.

For my money, they got Stormbringer and Infiltration the wrong way round... maybe not in terms of content exactly, but more in terms of approach - they should have published a balls-to-the-wall action and intigue fest first, then produced something a little more experimental, maybe repackaged as a 'first contact' series, a little later in rough parallel.

With the benefit of hindsight, it's hard not to see the whole of the Dead Furmanverse as a steady backpedal from Infiltration. I'm not sure what wider critical response to the series was, but Infiltration features a lot of concepts and techniques that would be backscaled or dropped for the rest of the series - Escalation especially has a real sense of "Shit, we'd better get on with this!" to it, and Devastation had so much in it that it came back round and in the end was about basically nothing - that one especially reeks of frantic rewriting to the point of losing cohesion and any central thrust. It's all subplots and no real... above... plot.

inflatable dalek
2009-02-16, 09:32 PM
You could basically write a book on the seemingly obvious mistakes they made over the last couple of years. I haven't reread Infiltration for a while, I enjoyed the slow build up at the time but now I suspect everything wasted on Verity and Jimmy is going to seem nothing but pointless. I wouldn't even be surprised in Maximum Dinobots completely ignores their final fate, it's more the sort of thing I can see being done by the AHM Coda series.

Patapsco
2009-02-16, 10:45 PM
I can see why the kids needed to be in Infiltration, if only to give a more, well, human attitude to what was happening. But by as soon as Hunter went missing in Escalation, Furman should have offed the kids and sent Ironhide into the missing file with Sunstreaker or even killed him outright, thereby eliminating the need for the half dozen plot threads running through Devastation and possibly giving it a bit more streamlining. Hell, the main continuity didn't have one single death until the Battlechargers bought it right at the end of Devastation, at least kill someone off to give a sense of threat.

zigzagger
2009-02-17, 01:16 AM
Nah, just have somewhere people can talk about spotlights in general - and the stickied spotlight index thread seems as good a place as any. Or does the general IDW spoiler discussion thread serve that purpose?

What you did works. I like the idea of the index being a simple go-to thread with the discussion seperate.

Red Dave Prime
2009-02-17, 08:31 PM
I felt the furman stuff suffered from having too much going on without anything being the main plot. It was one thing to lay seeds for futher plots but the spotlights were there for that. Surely the series should have made more sense with its arcs. Each one should have been far less open ended and the machination should have been left aside, only showing up slightly as devastation came to a close.

Still, A for effort and all that...

Halfshell
2009-02-17, 09:32 PM
Hell, the main continuity didn't have one single death until the Battlechargers bought it right at the end of Devastation

Ruckus, Skullcruncher, Roadgrabber and Crankcase are all presumably killed on Nebulos.
Iguanus at the very least goes into stasis lock, as does Bludgeon
Backbeat, Gizmo, Download (quite definitively, but being made-up that's allowed)
Outback (fairly cut[in half] and dried) and the bulk of Siren's extraction team
Leadfoot (indisputably)
Ramjet (and his mini constructicons! :()

And that's before you get into the argument of whether or not Bludgeon and Sixshot count as being dead. It's clear from Jhiaxus' manipulation of their bodies that there was nobody home, though it's possible in the case of the former they never bothered freeing his spark from custody.

You can make a case for Ramjet's survival given that his head and spark core survive, but that just serves to illustrate how damn difficult it is to even define the notion of death in the series.

Cliffjumper
2009-02-17, 09:45 PM
...especially with the introduction of Magic Make 'Em Alive Cupboards. Which really helped the drama, oh yes.

Halfshell
2009-02-17, 09:51 PM
I mean Runabout's fate is really no worse than what was scripted for Ultra Magnus in TF:TM. And that was fixed in about two minutes with a bottle of wax by the Magical Telly Addict Pikeybots.

It's a shame that the Megatron who took no shit and blasted Starscream to bits quickly reverted to type by sticking him in the freezer for no apparant reason other than to give him another chance for betrayal later. Kind of undermined the fresh approach to the character.

Red Dave Prime
2009-02-17, 11:49 PM
Magic Make 'Em Alive Cupboards

Glad they have a new name. More subtle.

Rossum
2009-02-18, 03:05 AM
Is it really such a big deal that the characters do or don't die? I've been thinking it over, and I think the only time it really bothered me was with Ironhide in Devastation, and that's because it was so built up. Otherwise, I'm pretty OK with accepting that Transformers in general are extremely tough suckers and hard to kill even with their own weaponry. Plus, it means you don't have to read the story while trying to guess "who is the author going to kill in order to show us that the story is Serious Business?" The drama of death and destruction moves on to the planets and species where their battles take place.

Cliffjumper
2009-02-18, 05:47 AM
It does rob suspense, though, doesn't it? "Will Bumblebee survive his battle with Starscream? Actually, it doesn't matter, they can just bring him back if he doesn't. Enjoy!".