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zigzagger
2007-09-30, 10:37 PM
Okay, I am just going to go ahead a put these up even if the book ends up being further delayed....again

After a rather lengthy wait, IDW's Beast Wars story arc finally continues. This is your all purpose Beast Wars: The Ascending #1 reaction thread. Place your praise and/or revilement here.

Purportedly scheduled to hit the shelves October 3rd according to IDW. Check back later for confirmation, etc.

edit
confirmed to ship according to CNI
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10452

zigzagger
2007-10-04, 07:44 AM
Though I hadn't read The Gathering (I got as far as finishing the first issue) I felt compelled to pick up The Ascending #1...probably because it was sitting right next to Devastation #1. Nevertheless, I felt IDW's Beasties deserved a chance.

Keeping in mind that I passed on The Gathering (though there is a nice synopsis on the opposite side of the cover), there were moments through out the issue where the story kind of felt cluttered, not feeling entirely sure what was going on half of the time. It's not as if the issue was bad by any means, it's just that the pacing felt really...awkward. Must be those damn temporal shunts!

The Magmatron narrative/sub-plot, however, was wonderfully executed in how he weaved in and out each setting/time frame as an observer. Though his imprisonment within a temporal limbo was of his own doing (sort of), his tale strikes me as tragic in a way. Honestly, thus far, he is the only character that I have seen thus far that really intrigues me. I'm curious to see what direction this goes (and to some extent the development of Shokaract as well, since it ties into Magmatron's plight).

Seems like a decent introductory chapter, though I'll definitely have to re-read this one, perhaps when the second issue arrives. Even with a fair amount of dialogue, and the occasional narratives provided by Magmatron which shed light on some of the confusion here, it just seems unnecessarily complicated at this point in the game. Though the the fate of Magmatron is revealed to the reader, the rest of the issue is dominated by the Maximal/Predacon battle(s), not much else really happened.
3 out 5

inflatable dalek
2007-10-05, 09:06 PM
I think I need to reread this one as the ending completely meh'd me- Unicron has teamed up with someone I've never heard off! DUH DUH DUH! It also speant a bit to long re-establishing the situation on Earth without adding anything new to it. And I'm still not sure why the Maximal's don't just de-phase themselves, leaving the Predacons out of time and then hitch a lift with Optimus Primal.

Ostentatious
2007-10-08, 05:38 PM
I'll have to say that I enjoyed the musings of ethereal Magmatron. But my complaints remain in the realm of the inclusion of Japanese characters. The reuse of character designs will get annoying, e.g. Drillbit and Drillnuts. One Predacon, the other a Maximal, yet both have the same body. Long lost brothers? *gasp*

Let's all just hope it doesn't go that way.
Also, I thought the coloring was a little bland compared to "The Gathering" but whatever.

Terome
2007-10-08, 05:48 PM
I think I figured it out. Simon Furman is pulling an Alan Moore. Only a man who stives to imitate the giddy excesses of Top 10 or The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen would cast a shiny blue convention exclusive that starred in a famously atrocious comic a decade previously as a main role in what could be a perfectly reasonable Beast Wars story. I bet Moon will turn up, too.

Now that I am in that mindset, I think I now like The Gathering.

But only just!

Nevermore
2007-10-09, 01:14 PM
Overall, I found this issue dull. Not really a step up from "The Gathering" at all. Too many characters, too little characterization. I mean, even GRIMLOCK doesn't really get fleshed out. As with The Gathering, a significantly smaller cast would have served this format a lot better. It worked for -ation, after all.

Vida
2007-10-10, 10:21 PM
Some of you mentioned you wanted to read the gathering so I figured I'd put this warning... not that I think its much of a spoiler (or that there is even much to spoil in that ark).

***********The Gathering Spoilers******************

I have a problem with Magmatron gathering an "army" here. Its just supposed to be the crew of the Axlon on Earth. Even if it was a massive ship (which it wasnt), I dont think it could hold enough of an army to overthrow cybertron. Weak plot point IMO.

But I do like the Magmatron floating around side plot as well of the inclusion of Unicron.

-Tony Vida; TK 3204; Austin, Tx

Philister
2007-10-11, 01:41 PM
Like I wrote in the Sourcebook thread, I really do hope Furman manages to tie all these different Beast-series together into a coherent whole.

Though I have to say that the first issue was pretty confusing. And that's from someone who knows who/what "Shokaract" and "Angolmois" are.

zigzagger
2007-10-15, 02:25 AM
This is your all purpose Beast Wars: The Ascending #2 reaction thread. Shower it with praise and/or venom right here.

Due to ship October 17th according CNI.
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10536
Subject to change, of course.

EDIT:
Seeing that the release of the 2nd issue appears to be a lot sooner than one might expect, here is the reaction/discussion thread for the first issue (http://www.tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40720)

DrSpengler
2007-10-18, 01:39 PM
Definately enjoying this series more so far than the Gathering.

The Blentrons were just about the only thing I really enjoyed when I sat through Beast Wars Neo, so I was all giddy seeing them show up in #2. Rartorarta was always my favorite, too, so watching him **** up Razorbeast was a treat.

I expect that Furman has depowered the Blentrons for the Ascending, since they were ****ing INVINCIBLE in Beast Wars Neo. A fight with them wouldn't really last long.

zigzagger
2007-10-20, 12:38 PM
My primary concern with the issue, and possibly the series as a whole, is the plethora of characters that continue to be squeezed into an already overpopulated cast, resulting in a lot of the characters coming across as rather generic. Honestly, having The Pack show up on Earth really didn't advance the story on Earth all too much, other than giving a reason to have Stampy in there; it was the Magmatron sub-plot, once again, that has given some cohesion to the story unfolding on Earth. Another high point is the other set of characters situated on Cybertron. Big Convoy's discovery of the Angolmois, aside from it being the source of Shokaract's addiction ("Bring me more!'), has some lovely exposition, particularly while BC reiterates what he thinks what has occurred. The Imperium was a nifty little addition. A nod to the Tripredicus Counsel, I take it.
Overall, it certainly made some sense out of the first issue, but still is plagued by its clutter. The pacing this time around was more steady despite the clutter issue, while the Cybertron sub-plot looks quite promising.
[edited: after rereading it...an average rating for an average story]
3 out 5

inflatable dalek
2007-10-20, 03:44 PM
So I take it the Prowl, Ironhide and Silverbolt on Cybertron are supposed to be the G1 versions? Are those looks based on toys? I'm not sure of the wisdom of having two Prowl's in the comic (My Two Prowls indeed...).

Not much is happening is it? The insane amount of characters means half of each issue seems given over to pointless fight scenes to try and give them something to do. I still have no idea who Shocaract is, nor why i should care about his Unicron team up. Same goes for the Angomolis, which annoyingly is introduced as if I should know all about it and be as shocked as everyone else (I don't know if it's from fan fic as well like Shocky...).

DrSpengler
2007-10-20, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Same goes for the Angomolis, which annoyingly is introduced as if I should know all about it and be as shocked as everyone else (I don't know if it's from fan fic as well like Shocky...).

Angolmois energy was actually the main plot device during BWII and Neo. Basically, it's the lifefore of Unicron that got sent hurtling through time and space and he blew up in the Movie.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Angolmois

inflatable dalek
2007-10-21, 06:56 PM
Well, two Prowl's is at least one to many. I'm wondering if Furman will actually have the balls to keep Razorbeast evil (and thus give someone else a chance to play leader), or if he'll bottle it.

And the Unicron ooze thing could have been made a lot clearer. The issue makes it look as if Big Convoy and co think it's just a drug of some sort...

Knightdramon
2007-10-29, 08:10 PM
Furman has certainly tied botcon continuities and japanese ones together, hence Shockaract and the green energy thing.

Anybody else got an Ultra Magnus vibe from Big Convoy? In some of the panels he reminded me a lot of him, especially the colouring of the area around the chest.

What I find really stupid is the inclusion of identical characters\toys. I mean, is Apache really necessary when he's just like B'Boom?

Overall, I really enjoyed this issue. One plot question, however...how come Magmatron saw the chaos that went on in Cybertron's near future, but not what Megatron is about to unleash in the coming days\weeks?

zigzagger
2007-12-10, 03:43 AM
This is your all purpose Beast Wars: The Ascending #3 reaction and discussion thread. Come, tell us what you thought.

Scheduled to ship December 12th according to CNI
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10816
Date subject to change

zigzagger
2007-12-14, 05:14 AM
Hmm. A bit more dense, which is usually a good thing, but considering this is the second to last issue of this arc, it seems to have come a bit too late. Though there is some progression: Shokaract makes his move on Cybertron, while the Maximal and Predacons on earth allign. That, essentially, is about it. The threat of Shokaract continues to come across as less apocalyptic as suggested. The plan so far, as I read it, is that Shokaract, or whomever, is looking to exploit the Angolmois addictive properties to throw Cybretron into a frenzied chaos. What this has to do with Unicron will most likely be revealed next issue...if it does at all. Shokaract attacks Big Convoy's group as they continue to investigate traces of the dark substance - tears Tasmania Kid in half too - but how this ties into the overall scheme of things has yet to be revealed, and I fear this revelation will feel a bit rushed by the time the fourth issue arrives. Since the three current issues have focused primarily on various battles, not enough room has been left to further develop the story in any significant way,only in small random bits. It's still, well, kind of all over the place and it is still not entire clear what is going on other than a superfluous amount of characters fighting each other. I'm left with the feeling that, and this is my opinion, when I read The Ascending, it genuinely feels like its a story about battling toys (as the license suggests) under the pretense of something more deep and profound.
3 out 5
2.5 out of 5

Nevermore
2007-12-22, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by zigzagger
It's still, well, kind of all over the place and it is still not entire clear what is going on other than a superfluous amount of characters fighting each other. I'm left with the feeling that, and this is my opinion, when I read The Ascending, it genuinely feels like its a story about battling toys (as the license suggests) under the pretense of something more deep and profound.

That's pretty much how I perceived it. Big "yawn" from me. None of the so-called characters in this book do ANYTHING for me. Not even Ravage.

inflatable dalek
2007-12-22, 04:25 PM
It'll be Friday before I can get this, I'm completely non plussed about it though. Shame really that seems to be the common view considering how anticipated BW comics were originally and how well the first couple of issues of The gathering were.

Nevermore
2007-12-23, 02:59 PM
I found IDW's Beast Wars utterly disappointing from issue 1.

A bunch of nobodies doing nothing of importance,w ritten by someone who doesn't know what made the Beast WarsTV show great and drawn by someone who has apparently never seen an animal in his entire life.

inflatable dalek
2007-12-29, 04:26 PM
Are there two Simon Furman's? One writing the brilliant main IDW stuff and the one knocking out this tired old crap? They need to either make this a weekly comic or cull 3/4's of the cast because it seems the only way Furman can find anything for this number of players to do is just to have them fight for pages on end.

And there's still no in issue explanation for what Angolmois is, are IDW expecting Spengs to contact every reader and tell them the plot of the Japanese shows?

Osku
2008-01-06, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Are there two Simon Furman's? One writing the brilliant main IDW stuff and the one knocking out this tired old crap? They need to either make this a weekly comic or cull 3/4's of the cast because it seems the only way Furman can find anything for this number of players to do is just to have them fight for pages on end.

And there's still no in issue explanation for what Angolmois is, are IDW expecting Spengs to contact every reader and tell them the plot of the Japanese shows?
My thoughts are quite the same. The first mini-series was a bit meh, and this hasn't interested me at all. Almost the only thing that has made me smile on these issues was Stampy doing an impersonation of Max (the psychotic bunny from "Sam & Max" comic book and pc-game).

To be honest I downloaded scans for this mini-series, for following reasons.
1) I was offline for few months, the time series was started
2) I found out IDW had made a publishing decision to make customers buy two issues of #1 if they don't want only a half of the picture.
3) Reviews have been not-so-promising.

But sadly I'm a borderline completist when it comes to BW, so I'll be buying the TPB. But if IDW decides to put out more BW material, I'd hope they'd give it to someone else than Furman.

Nevermore
2008-01-06, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Osku
But if IDW decides to put out more BW material, I'd hope they'd give it to someone else than Furman or Ben Yee.

Fixed.

Osku
2008-01-06, 01:49 PM
I assume you're pointing to BW Sourcebook? I've avoided reviews discussion of the profiles after I found out that the first two issues had errors. Waiting for the TPB in this case as well.

It's pity surely, but I'm fed up getting unfinished product from IDW. As I buy my issues from NTFA store that is all the time one or two months behind, it makes no real difference to wait for some time more.

Still following IDW's main continuity though. :)

inflatable dalek
2008-01-06, 07:30 PM
Yee's apparently acting as a plot advisor on this title as well, hence getting some of the blame.

zigzagger
2008-01-07, 06:38 AM
The fourth and final issue of Beast Wars: The Ascending is finally here. Will there be some last minute plot twists or developments to wrap things up? I'm sure you're shivering with antici....pation.
....Ahem
This is your all purpose, no holds barred, Beast Wars: The Ascending #4 reaction and discussion thread. Have fun.

Scheduled to ship the 9th of January according to CNI
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10922

inflatable dalek
2008-01-07, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by zigzagger
The fourth and final issue of Beast Wars: The Ascending is finally here. Will there be some last minute plot twists or developments to wrap things up? I'm sure you're shivering with antici....pation.

But maybee the rain... isn't really to blame... for the fact the first three issues were ****ing ****e.

zigzagger
2008-01-10, 08:54 PM
The issue reads particularly quick, which really is a shame considering that the overall story desperately needed substance, something, to structure the plethora of battles around other than the assumption that the reader has prior knowledge of the Japanese series or Botcon exclusives. Here, like the previous issues, little insight is offered to who Shokaract is/was, who meets an anti-climatic and rather disappointing demise (Basically, Magmatron reveals to Shokaract that he is a tool, thus kills himself). The threat of Shokaract is never realised or felt by the reader, and to meet an end this way seemed like a complete and utter waste. Other characters are killed off as well, but since little has been invested in them one isn't particularly left grieving the loss. Following in suit with the previous issues, there is plenty of action, but in the end there is still not much else to say about it, or Ascending on whole.
2 out 5

inflatable dalek
2008-01-12, 03:31 PM
Welllllll, at some point soon I'm going to reread all the BW comics in the hope of a moment of perfect clarity where I'll go "HA HA! That's what's going on!". I'm not very hopeful though.

What I don't get is, The Gathering seemed to be setting up effectively a BW spin off that could run for a long time (there's hardly any point in so many characters if they didn't plan to tell a lot of tales) but The Ascending shuts all that down. At the end the lead hero is dead, the lead villain seemingly in custody (though what will happen to Magmatron is left irritatingly unmentioned, when he shows up again everyone treats him like Uncle Joe) and the Earth trapped Transformers are either back on Cybertron, dead, or waiting to be picked up. There's no where to go from here without going through the motions of setting up a backstory again. Very odd.

Good things about this issue: Razorbeast dying, and seemingly staying dead.

Bad things:

The backs tory and basic plot continues to go unexplained. Was it a deliberate joke that even ShakkaKhan doesn't know his own part in the plot and has to have it explained to him? Shame he decided to kill himself before asking Magmatron about all the other unexplained stuff...

The Anti-Matrix. Yawn.

Who the hell is Bump?

Why did they add to confussion over keeping track of all the characters by having another Prowl and Silverbolt in issue 2 when they went on to contribute nothing to the remaining issues?

Grimlock.

The bad arse heralds of Unicron... running away like scardey girls at the end.

The "everything great.... OR IS IT?!?!?!!!????!!!!" ending that doesn't bother to tie up any of the loose ends properly.

Nevermore
2008-01-17, 12:15 AM
To quote M Sipher over at the Allspark:

OH NO APOCALYPSE

DIE DIE NOBODIES

(pretty art tho)

MORE APOCALYPSE AND DEATH OF NOBODIES AND APOCALYPSE.

END.

Essentially, that's all it was.

Oh, and Razorbeast, the character with the most characterization (not that this necessarily means much in the IDW Beast Wars-verse), was killed off. Off-panel.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-17, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by Nevermore

Oh, and Razorbeast, the character with the most characterization (not that this necessarily means much in the IDW Beast Wars-verse), was killed off. Off-panel.

Not to mention that the most established character spent half the mini as a foaming at the mouth loonie.

Lambda prime
2008-01-23, 05:27 PM
Good god can Furman do anything besides kill a character in a explosion?
That said I wouldnt even call over 90% of the cast 'characters' I could care about

Terome
2008-01-23, 05:32 PM
Explosions, plane crashes and long falls = completely safe.

zigzagger
2008-02-11, 04:04 AM
For those who are still interested (or brave), the Beast Wars: The Ascending TPB is due to ship February 13th.
CNI's shipping schedule (http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=11105)

starlord
2008-04-27, 10:58 PM
In the cartoon, there were one predacon team and maximal so it made sense that dinobot joined the maximal.In the comic version, there were two predacon armies,one lead by Megatron and another by Magmatron. Wouldn't make sense if dinobot join them instead unless he had something against Magmatron or someone there in his group? It would understandable considering that preds do fight each other?

Halfshell
2008-04-28, 08:10 AM
1) Magmatron didn't show up until after Dinobot's death.

2) The cartoon cast weren't aware of his presence anyway.

inflatable dalek
2008-04-28, 03:04 PM
3) The comics were crap and are best ignored by all sane persons really.


You should love them.

Neuronutter
2008-04-28, 08:54 PM
3) The comics were crap and are best ignored by all sane persons really.


You should love them.

IDW's comics yeah? What was wrong with them? I thought The Gathering was great, I thoroughly enjoyed it and I didn't even know much about BW. Ascending wasn't so good, but I really like The Gathering.

Halfshell
2008-04-28, 09:03 PM
Don't waste arguing with Dalek about the BW stuff. Just remember he's a Trekkie and dismiss his opinion out of hand, like the rest of us do.

inflatable dalek
2008-04-29, 06:39 AM
Don't waste arguing with Dalek about the BW stuff. Just remember he's a Trekkie and dismiss his opinion out of hand, like the rest of us do.

But you didn't think much of the BW comics either did you? Or at least not enough to get past the first issue of the second mini IIRC. Are you sure you're not a closet Trekkie?

Ackula
2009-03-06, 07:17 AM
Well, I'm not one to usually necropost, but I think I will. I just read all the IDW Beast Wars comics over the course of the last few days, and I really liked them. Granted I have never read an IDW comic before now, unless you count those awful Movie comics.

I will agree that there were a ton of characters that most people don't seem to know much about, but to me it was so very cool. The BW II and BW Neo series are two of my favorites and I have saw most of the episodes and braved the fansubs and fandubs for whats available out there, so I wasn't having too hard of a time following along.

I think they did a pretty good job of consolidating several continuities into one, but I will agree that for the casual reader, there should have been more explanation for things such as Angolmois.

Is there any word on IDW making any more BW comics? And what other IDW stuff should I check out?

Neuronutter
2009-03-06, 01:56 PM
The word on more IDW BW comics is that they are going to do some more, just not for a while. IIRC there was a large gap between the first two arcs, and they were a while ago now, so don't expect any soon. Having said that we have next to no info about what's coming in the second half of the year so you never know.

And if you've never read any IDW comics before don't judge the rest by the movie comics, though I do like ROS and the current run. Anyway, give the main G1 comics a look - I'd start with Infiltration, though it's a little slow, then read Escalation, Stormbringer and the first couple of round of Spotlights. They're very good. LMK if you do get them, what you think and if you want to know what to pick up after.