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zigzagger
2007-09-30, 10:45 PM
Okay, I am just going to go ahead a put these up even if the book ends up being further delayed....again

After a rather lengthy wait, the promised sourcebook containing profiles for all your beloved and hated Beasties is finally here (hopefully). This is your all purpose Beast Wars: Sourcebook #1 reaction thread. Place your praise and/or revilement here.

Purportedly scheduled to hit the shelves October 3rd according to IDW. Check back later for confirmation, etc.

edit
confirmed to ship according to CNI
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10452

Philister
2007-10-01, 11:00 AM
Really looking forward to the Sourcebook. Does anyone know whether it'll just feature the Gathering cast or will also have stuff on the original TV cast?

zigzagger
2007-10-01, 05:28 PM
Sorry if I caused any confusion moving your post to the Sourcebook thread (was originally in the Devastation thread). Seemed more appropiate here.

Anyhow, as far as I understand the Sourcebook will feature all, if not most, of the characters from the Beast Wars universe(s) (i.e. toylines, cartoons, etc). Characters from the Japanese series will be featured as well (pretty sure anyway, don't see why not since they've already been featured in the ongoing). However, Beast Machines characters (I'm pretty sure anyway, though I could be wrong ) will not receive profiles in the Sourcebook, which is a shame I suppose.

DrSpengler
2007-10-03, 04:28 PM
Just went through mine reading only the bios (I'll give it a more thorough once over later). Good stuff and I'm eagerly awaiting the future installments.

Also one thing I noticed, they nicked my motto for Autocrusher/crasher! That's kinda cool. I guess that means the people at IDW read my BWII/Neo profiles.

...which is kind of embarassing, considering how poorly written most of them are.

Brimstone
2007-10-05, 04:53 PM
There are definately characters from the Japanese shows. I am a little confused by the not beast characters though (like Dirge and others). How did they figure into the Beast Wars?

My biggest disappointment, though was Big Convoy (even the art wasn't that great for him). On a personal note, although I've gotten used to the term "Convoy" it has still always felt like the Japanese version of Prime or Prime is the English translation of Convoy (not literaly, I know). But I could have lived with "Convoy." What I really didn't like was his first name "Big." It just doesn't work very well, IMO. The name Big Convoy sounds more like a literally translated term and not the name of one of the leaders of the Maximals. Not that I have a better name, but there has to be something better than "big" that means the same thing. Hell, even Maximus Convoy would have been better (even if it does borrow from another's name).

At least with Lio Convoy, it sounds better (although I still would have preferred Lio Prime or Lio Primal). I'm not saying they needed to follow the Optimus/Rodimus moniker pattern...but anything would have been better than "big." :(

Other than that, though, it was a great read. Beast Wars was my favorite series (as a show) so this will be a nice addition to the ol' collection.

DrSpengler
2007-10-05, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Brimstone
There are definately characters from the Japanese shows. I am a little confused by the not beast characters though (like Dirge and others). How did they figure into the Beast Wars?

One of the themes of BWII was "nature vs. industry", which is why all the Maximals in that series were animals while all the Predacons were either machines or (later) cyborgs.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-05, 09:03 PM
Only had chance for a flick and so far it seems a bit meh. Why include two of Chettor's bodies but not the third? Why come up with bloody awful fanwank in order to make the Transmetal toys of Black Arachnia and Airrazor "canon" when they not only have no bearing on the show whatsoever and don't even get a drawing here? I can only assume that Furman might actually be planning to do something with them in the comic, but I really hope not as the idea sucks. "When Black Arachnia had a nap in season 1 the Vok made a Transmetal copy of her which they hid".

And why's Magmatron on the cover?

One thing it might have done with- considering it's dealing with the cast of three different shows on three different planets it might have soothed my troubled brow to clarify which show they're from in the name/rank/sub group bit (perhaps by naming the planet they're fighting/living on?).

DrSpengler
2007-10-05, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek

One thing it might have done with- considering it's dealing with the cast of three different shows on three different planets it might have soothed my troubled brow to clarify which show they're from in the name/rank/sub group bit (perhaps by naming the planet they're fighting/living on?).

Apparantly Furman's current Beast Wars stories take place after "a version" of the events of BWII and Neo. The Pax Cybertonia was signed after Big Convoy and Magmatron made piece. Whether the attack by Unicron and the Blentrons happened in "this version" of those events or not, who knows.

Yeah, it's wacky. But my guess is they couldn't include "is fighting on Gaia" because that part of the story was already over and done with.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-05, 09:15 PM
It would have helped then if they hadn't talked about the events of the TV shows in the present tense ("Repaint X allways polishes Galvatrons shoes on a Tuesday") as it makes it all sound concurrent...

I am hoping this will stand up better on a full read though. The entry for the purple Inferno repaint made zero sense to me though I have to say- Is it talking about stuff that's going to happen in the Ascending or stuff that happened in whatever cartoon the baddywithasillyname came from?

DrSpengler
2007-10-05, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek

I am hoping this will stand up better on a full read though. The entry for the purple Inferno repaint made zero sense to me though I have to say- Is it talking about stuff that's going to happen in the Ascending or stuff that happened in whatever cartoon the baddywithasillyname came from?

If you mean Antagony, she was created by Psycho Bitch Raksha for some Botcon comics ages ago. Parts of Antagony's bio in the sourcebook seem to be commentary on her notoriously insane creator, particularly the bit in "weaknesses" about Antagony overestimating her worth in the grand scheme of things etc.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-05, 09:27 PM
Is the character even a toy then? Or just a convention exclusive? I know Furman's determined to get every character ever into the comic but that's pushing it.

Actually, I wonder if Furman/The Guy Who Probably wrote all of it really used your motto/s because they thought you'd just translated the Japanese ones?

DrSpengler
2007-10-05, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Is the character even a toy then? Or just a convention exclusive? I know Furman's determined to get every character ever into the comic but that's pushing it.

Yeah (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Antagony), apparntly she was the 1998 BotCon exclusive. Which makes her about as important as one of the Happy Meal exclusives.

Actually, I wonder if Furman/The Guy Who Probably wrote all of it really used your motto/s because they thought you'd just translated the Japanese ones?

That's what the people who upload the bull**** at Wikipedia Prime seem to think. I dunno if it's still like that, and I can't be damned to check, but for a while Big Convoy's and Magmatron's articles had "and his motto is blah blah blah".

No, that's not their motto, that's just crap some kid in high school wrote 5 years ago.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-06, 06:13 AM
On reflection, a really good glossery in issue 4 could solve most of the problems I have with this, lets hope we get one.

Nevermore
2007-10-09, 03:20 PM
Why does Archadis copy G1 Jazz's motto?

Who do B'Boom and Apache look nearly identical, while BB gets a new, entirely made up color scheme for no apparent reason?

Why does Archadis get a double-page spread, while characters with multiple incarnations get crammed into a single page entry?

What's up with Dinobot's and Blackarachnia's colors?

Really, for something that's supposedly been in the works for over a year, that's quite a lot of errors. And the writing is... not so great. Inconsistent, loads of pointless fanw*nk and loads of errors. Me no like.

DrSpengler
2007-10-09, 03:56 PM
Here are some links of interest:

http://www.bwtf.com/cbreviews/idw/bwsourcebook1/

Ben Yee reviews the book and gives some behind the scenes info and opinions. Apparantly, BB's and Blackarachnia's colorschemes were a complete error and he hopes to have that fixed for the trade.

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=37742&view=findpost&p=757979

Dan Khanna chimes in with some news that furthers the "rushed and halfassed" viewpoints. Apparantly, a number of the artist credits were incorrect; he receives credit for art he didn't do and doesn't receive credit for art he actually provided.


Man, one issue and they screwed up this much?

zigzagger
2007-10-09, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by DrSpengler
Here are some links of interest:
http://www.bwtf.com/cbreviews/idw/bwsourcebook1/

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=37742&view=findpost&p=757979



And to go along side with that, an explanation from Chris Ryall;
http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=2512

edit: Now, if only he'd post a public apology in regards to Megatron: Origin ;)

DrSpengler
2007-10-09, 05:58 PM
I appreciate Ryall's apology and I do believe that he never wanted the book to go out with so many errors.


However, I'm not the type who buys individual issues and then buys the TPB. So once again, I feel like I'm being punished for supporting a book during it's initial release by receiving the inferior product. I felt that way with the Animated Movie adaptation and I feel that way now. If this is IDW's standard business plan then I may just quit buying the individual issues and wait for the TPBs from now on, since at least that way I won't get shafted with tons of errors and what-not.

According to Ryall, #2 may contain more of the same editorial errors, but with luck #3-4 will be up to snuff. I hope that's the case.

Denyer
2007-10-09, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by DrSpengler
However, I'm not the type who buys individual issues and then buys the TPB. So once again, I feel like I'm being punished for supporting a book during it's initial release by receiving the inferior product. I felt that way with the Animated Movie adaptation and I feel that way now. If this is IDW's standard business plan then I may just quit buying the individual issues and wait for the TPBs from now on, sense at least that way I won't get shafted with tons of errors and what-not. I think "standard business plan" is putting it a bit strongly, but there are too many things that have slipped past editing in the last year or so, and have been pointing out for a while now that hearing things'll be fixed at a later stage is the last thing that will go down well with issue-buyers.

The only way I'll jack in buying issues is if part of the main story becomes trade-only (like the second DW preview was reserved for the V1 TPB a few years back.) That'd really sour things. But I think a lot of others would stop buying sooner for other reasons, including not expecting a 'finished' product if they follow singles. That's a dangerous perception to let build.

DrSpengler
2007-10-09, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Denyer
I think "standard business plan" is putting it a bit strongly,

Yeah, that was mostly some bitter snark on my part. I just don't like getting burned twice in a row.

I suppose I AM grateful that they've only let this sort of thing happen in their "back-up" books and not their main line Transformers series. I'd hate to be told that I need to buy the Devastation TPB just because issue #3 was riddled with coloring errors, speech bubble errors and spelling errors.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-10, 05:45 AM
I don't mind them correcting errors for the trade versions, but I am annoyed at the suggestion in the Ben Yee article that art for more alt variations on the characters will be included in the trade. Makes buying the issues pointless.

This made me laugh as well:

Some of the elements in those shows would not work in a more serious Western based universe.

That's the serious Western based Universe that did an episode about Rhinox's farts? Is there anything sillier in the Japanese stuff?


originally posted by da Spengly one
Yeah, apparntly she was the 1998 BotCon exclusive. Which makes her about as important as one of the Happy Meal exclusives.

Idid insist however that the McDonalds Beast Wars toys be included
:eek:

EDIT: And if Ryall didn't have the time to edit the issue properly he should have handed the Editors job to someone else (which by the sound of that post would seem to be what he has done, who's this Andrew?)

Second Edit: [I'm Editlicious]

In regards to this:

Just because Powermaster Optimus Prime and Ginrai use the same sculpt, with almost the exact same color scheme - are they the same character? Certainly not. And that is the rationale we used when using both Apache and B'Boom or Bighorn and Bonecrusher etc.

That rational falls apart as there's no official fiction that tries to claim Powermaster Prime and God Ginrai co-exsist within the same continuity despite looking exactly the same.

zigzagger
2007-10-10, 08:52 PM
Yeah, I guess it's taking awhile longer for the new editors, which were supposedly added during IDW's management shift (it was something like that, though I thought it was more of an editor change rather than management - it's a bit unclear), to get into the groove of things as IDW continues to reorganize itself. Though, I gotta say, the details of this have been somewhat ambiguous, which from a business perspective I suppose (extreme emphasis of "suppose") I can see why.

Then again, the Sourcebook was not the first of these minor discrepancies that we've seen in the last few months that required a good editorial (or Ryall) look over ;)

Originally posted by inflatable dalek

That rational falls apart as there's no official fiction that tries to claim Powermaster Prime and God Ginrai co-exsist within the same continuity despite looking exactly the same.

No...must fight...the urge....were-dork urges resurfacing

Well, technically, the pairing of both identities kind-of-sort-of was canonized in Dreamwave's MTMTE profile of Powermaster Optimus Prime. While the Cybertronian body is referred to as Optimus Prime, his little Powermaster buddy is referred to as Ginrai, rather than Hi-Q. Though, I think it may of been miss spelled. I'm on campus right now, so I can't consult my MTMTE Vol.2 book I have stashed away somewhere at home. Then again...who/what the hell is Dreamwave?

removes coke-bottle lenses, put contacts back on

There...I'm pretty again.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-11, 07:08 AM
He is indeed called Ginrai- but isn't the character described pretty much Hi-Q? I'm betting someone looked at the reissue packaging to remind themselves of the name...

Plus, merging the characters is fine (and is what the Source book could have done in the event of a Japanese toy that's exactly the same as a US one- Use the Yank name but if he played a big role in BWII use that for inspiration)- This is like DW doing two seperate enteries for PM Prime and Ginrai with near identical art bar one being a lighter shade of red.

Or worse, doing seperate entries for Cosmos and Adams...

Philister
2007-10-11, 01:36 PM
I have little to add to what others have already written here. I'm rather disappointed with this sourcebook so far. Less because of the lackluster art and poor editing, but more because I once again see a Dreamwave-trend resurfacing here: Trying to cram too many in-jokes and divergent continuities into a single whole.

I hope Furman actually manages to unite the various Beast-series into a cohesive whole, but I for one remain skeptical at this point.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-18, 06:11 PM
I've now read this properly, it really is a bit crap isn't it?

The TV Characters are especially a let down, rather than profiles they just bget synopses of what they did on telly with a little bit of fanwankery thrown in. They also seem to get the worse drawing as well, it's with a leaden heart I greeted the return of the Pat Lee pose with Dinobot...

zigzagger
2007-10-29, 07:55 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook #2 reaction thread. More profiles of all your beloved or hated Beasties here for you to squeal or moan over.

Due to ship Halloween according to CNI shipping schedule. (http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=10616)
Date subject to change

DrSpengler
2007-10-31, 05:51 PM
Wow. Did Yee and Furman even *watch* Beast Wars II or Neo?

The bios for the Japanese characters in the first book were pretty much on the money, but this issue...what the hell happened?

Mantis being a cheerful and upbeat life of the party? The guy was a bloodthirsty loner maniac!

Hydra being confident and modest? No mention of his psychotic fear of being left alone?

Guiledart being underhanded, scheming and impossible to trust? The guy was loyal to a fault!

Hardhead being a competant drill instructor? He was borderline retarded!

No mention whatsoever of Elephorca's ability to warp time and space?

A bio on Moon with no mention of Artemis? Actually, I can let that one slide.


I'm sorry, I know they wanted to expand on the characters and add depth, but completely changing the personalities was uncalled for.

Also, Grimlock's profile art is freakin' hideus.

inflatable dalek
2007-10-31, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by DrSpengler
Wow. Did Yee and Furman even *watch* Beast Wars II or Neo?


Why would he need to when he could just get the nearest rabid fanboy to write those for him?

Terome
2007-10-31, 11:47 PM
Wow. Did Yee and Furman even *watch* Beast Wars II or Neo?

Nope. (http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/beasts-shot/#comments)

DrSpengler
2007-11-01, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Terome
Nope. (http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/beasts-shot/#comments)

Originally posted by Simon Furman

I'd second that. It'd be great to see a UK translation/edition of BW II and Neo. I've never seen them myself.

*head explodes*

Brimstone
2007-11-01, 02:22 PM
I didn't realize that Grimlock had a prime-esque head, so that was a surprise. And it certainly seemed to imply that Ironhide is the G1 Ironhide. But uh...how are they going to explain Silverbolt? Because the picture certainly didn't look like the Silverbolt from Beast Wars...so, wtf? There's two called Silverbolt?

Trypticon was a surprise as well (although he was a repaint).

My biggest disappointment was that they let things like the term "Destrons" slip through.

Seriously, did they even edit the damn thing before it went to print? What a friggin' joke.

Terome
2007-11-01, 02:27 PM
I think 'Destron' here refers specfically to Galvatron's faction. Might be wrong about that, though.

Chris McFeely
2007-11-01, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Brimstone
But uh...how are they going to explain Silverbolt? Because the picture certainly didn't look like the Silverbolt from Beast Wars...so, wtf? There's two called Silverbolt?

Yup. There's the Fuzor who appeared in the cartoon, and there's the eagle-component of Magnaboss, just as there are two Prowls - the TM2 owl, and the lion-component of Magnaboss. For the sourcebook, they've decided "OMGWTF WOODNT IT BE KOOL IF THEY WERE THE GEEWUN GUYS."

DrSpengler
2007-11-02, 09:46 PM
Bass X20 over at the Allspark copied and pasted my first post at the IDW forums and got this response from Yee:

Originally posted by Ben Yee

on the issue of "changed personalities", some personalities worked better than others. Did I have a mathematical formula to determine which? No. As with most creative endeavors, you have to go with your gut. To take one instance from above - Hardhead. Yes, I know he was dumb as toast on the show. When I watched the episodes with him in it, he had that sorta big eyed dumb stare and it was burned into my brain and I simply did not feel I could write a serious character profile on someone who is not the brightest bulb in the building.

What I did was elevate him yes, but I also left in that he's not the greatest original thinker so that a "bit" of his less-than-perfect intellect remained, but he didn't become a joke (there's only one Predacon I want that to happen to, and he appears in the last issue).

As for Artemis - we didn't forget about her. She gets an entry in the glossary.

I fully understand the need to "adjust" the characters to make them work in this new Beast Wars universe. However, absolute overhauling isn't the right thing to do.

Look at the profiles for the Jointrons, they're about what I'd like to see. They're still fun-loving party goers with certain individual traits intact, but they aren't a trio of Frito Banditos anymore. Stuff like Motorarm being a professional sportsman is fine (in the cartoon he was a sumo wrestler, which is real silly, so I can understand the need to make him an ambiguous "sportsman"), keeping a certain element intact but adjusting it to fit the less ridiculous world they're trying to create.

But taking a character who is a bloodthirsty lunatic and turning him into Mr. Niceguy?

Nooooo thank you.

inflatable dalek
2007-11-02, 11:56 PM
The whole "including Japanese versions of the toys even when they're exactly the same as their western counterparts" hits its low with Magmaboss and Magmaboss II right next to each other. Now, if the latter played a part in the Japanese media (and based on the text I'm assuming he did, it'll be worrying if it's all made up out of nothing...) and the former has never appeared in any media why not just include the Japanese guy? Oh wait, then they couldn't have Prowl and company be the G1 characters. The annoying thing is the page wasted on a near identical drawing could have been given over to including one of Megatron's other bodies. And speaking of which- If they really only had the space for two what idiot thought including the crocodile body at the expense of one of the ones to actually feature in the fiction?

zigzagger
2008-01-01, 12:34 AM
Finally, the third collection of profiles for all your favorite or loathed anthropomorphic pals is here. This is your all purpose, no holds barred, Beast Wars Sourcebook #3 reaction and discussion thread. Have fun.
The third issue of the Sourcebook is due to ship the 4th of January according diamond comics' shipping schedule.
http://www.diamondcomics.com/support/previews_docs/orderforms/shipping_010408kf.pdf

DrSpengler
2008-01-04, 08:08 PM
Read through the Japanese profiles first, like always.

I was a bit impressed (for the first time ever), as it seems with this issue Yee has finally decided to cut the bull**** and stop making up completely new personalities for all the Japanese characters. The characters are all pretty identical to their source characterizations, albeit with a few things either added or left out (no mention is made of Saberback's sorcery or Rockbuster's friendship with Big Convoy, for example).

Still, he left in quite a few things I was certain he'd eliminate for being "too silly", such as Scylla's crush on Scuba.

Yee also added on to some vaguer back stories about the characters, adding depth to them. For instance, Powerhug's backstory states that he suffered a defeat at the hands of the Autorollers and now hates them for it, while Yee embelished on that with some stuff about a martial arts dojo and murdered students.

Anyhow, I hope this "no bull****" direction continues into the last issue, as the completely made-up bios were my biggest complaint about the previous two installments.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-05, 05:51 PM
Mine has yet to come in due to New Year delays. Is there actually a TV character on the front of this one?

inflatable dalek
2008-01-15, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Mine has yet to come in due to New Year delays. Is there actually a TV character on the front of this one?

And so there was.

Still all the same problems- As with Megatron if they didn't have enough room for all the Primal toys they should have just included the ones in the cartoon rather than batboy. And there's still no need to include convoluted back story to be able to include Transmetal forms for characters that never had them (the Rhinox one is insane). And is that a Binaltech reference in the Prowl 2 bio?

Nevermore
2008-01-17, 12:19 AM
Yes. Magnaboss-Prowl is G1 Prowl. Transmetal prowil is Binaltech prowl, who is Chip Chase in Prowl's body. Yawn.

So which other G1 characters were on the Axalon? *yawn*

And that guy who drew Silverbolt... ARGH. It doesn't help that his attempts to justify his choice of art style over at TFW2005 only made it worse.

Essentially, IDW doesn't seem to have an editor that cares a flying **** about Beast Wars as long as the issues come out in time.

Someone should try and sneak in a few boobs and see if they get caught.

And Ben Yee, nice guy as he might be, can't seem to write anything even remotely entertaining. He's almost writing the profiles as if they were his reviews.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-17, 08:04 AM
And another complaint from earlier issues that still stands is that the TV characters just get synopses of their on screen activities rather than personalities.

Damolisher
2008-01-18, 09:19 PM
Ah, it's great to see an homage to Ravage's old "NAME" Mode... *Rolls eyes*

Seriously, who the hell is doing the creative control on these? First, we've got on the back cover "From Optimus Minor to Silverbolt", when Onyx Primal is the first profile. They missed out Scourge's profile, Optimus is missing his Transmetal 1 mode, BUT they have Bat Primal instead, with no references to the Bat Mode. And, as I just said, under the picture of Ravage, the caption for his tape mode says "NAME".

inflatable dalek
2008-01-19, 01:13 AM
Actually, the profile for Primal does mention the bat, it just does so in a stupid way.

Damolisher
2008-01-19, 07:34 PM
Ah, ok, I'll have to re-read his profile. But you have to admit, the mistakes these dudes have made on these books have been pretty sloppy. I mean, these are bloody expensive books (They cost $17 over here in New Zealand), and yet they contain the lowest quality artwork from some of the artists with some of the worst colouring and factual cock-ups this side of continuing to let the Olsen Twins make movies.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-20, 03:25 AM
If you really dislike the books- Don't buy them. That is the most powerful weapon you have. I'm only carrying on with this series because my comic book guy hasn't realised he should be charging more for them so I'm only paying the price of a normal comic for them.

Denyer
2008-01-20, 03:37 AM
Maybe he just thinks you're purty.

inflatable dalek
2008-01-20, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Denyer
Maybe he just thinks you're purty.

No ones told him you can't smoke in shops anymore either. I like to think he's living in yesterday and charging me the apropiate price.

Damolisher
2008-01-21, 12:28 AM
I'm buying them because they're alright, amidst the ****-ups.

zigzagger
2008-02-03, 08:39 PM
The final collection of profiles for all your favourite or hated fuzzy and scaly pals has arrived. This is your all purpose Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook #4 reaction and discussion thread.
Discuss now. This I command!

Due to arrive February 6th according to CNI's shipping schedule.
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=223&itemid=11079

DrSpengler
2008-02-07, 02:45 AM
Whatever happened to that glossary Yee was talking about? The one that would have Artemis and Navi in it. Whatever. I really don't care. I'm just glad it's over.

Also, I like how for the first two issues, Ben Yee wrote all the Japanese characters with completely made up personalities just because he felt like it, then for the last two issues he chose to stay true to their actual characterizations.

Honestly, I WISH Furman had written the Japanese character bios, as he's stated that he's never seen any of the Japanese shows, which would at least give him an excuse to write the characters all wrong.

Yee has claimed to have sat down and watched every character's spotlight episode before writing their bio then subsequently ignoring their characterization becuase *he* didn't like it.

Yee is doing the exact same thing the people at Takara did when they imported Beast Wars ten years ago. They changed personalities and even genders for no solid reason other than they felt like it. Yee is doing the same.

It wasn't cool when Japan did it and it's not cool when Yee did it.

zigzagger
2008-02-08, 05:18 AM
Out of morbid curiosity, I decided to pick this up since it was sitting next to Devastation #5. I hadn't seen the previous three books, and was waiting to see how the TPB would shape up. Still, I wanted to see what all the fuss was over.

Strange the attention the US television series characters receive over the slightly more obscure characters. The profiles for the most part are fun, but they're far from brilliant. I mean, they're not really bios, but summaries of their roles on in the television series, including deaths.

Curious that TM Tarantulas is coloured grey and black (wasn't it some exclusive color scheme of some sort), or that his "motorcycle" mode looks more like a jet. Though "errors" such as those didn't irk me as it has others, I have to admit the colouring is bit sloppy and kind of ugly at moments.

I'm still not entirely keen on the idea of Botcon exclusive characters becoming...well, you know...the "C" word. That's just me, though. I'm sorry, but it's just a bit too wanky for my tastes.

Halfshell
2008-02-08, 09:50 AM
Curious that TM Tarantulas is coloured grey and black (wasn't it some exclusive color scheme of some sort)

Fox Kids TM. Though at least they've gone with an actual existing colour scheme, rather than just painting him neon orange, like they did with BB.

I'm still not entirely keen on the idea of Botcon exclusive characters becoming...well, you know...the "C" word. That's just me, though. I'm sorry, but it's just a bit too wanky for my tastes.

They were canon from the moment they got a Hasbro-made toy. Whether they're part of main continuity or not is a matter of personal opinion.

The IDW stuff can't coexist with the 3H stuff anymore than it can the Japanese stuff. We've been given a situation with BW where we can effectively cherrypick our own personal canon - something that didn't really exist with BW before. Which means we no longer get idiots stumbling in claiming that The Wreckers is an irrefutable part of the main continuity.

This is a good thing.

zigzagger
2008-02-09, 02:27 AM
This is a good thing.
Oh, alright. A well point made. After all, Furman did write some of the exclusive stories where these characters originate from, so it is not that much of a surprise that he'd want to include them in the sourcebook (unless that was Yee's doing). Though, there was probably other motivations for including them too, but still....

inflatable dalek
2008-02-09, 11:03 AM
They were canon from the moment they got a Hasbro-made toy.

Surely to be a part of a canon it would actually have to feature in the fiction of that canon rather than just being a toy? So Shokaract became part of the convention comic canon as soon as he featured in one of the issues, but merely having a toy doesn't make them part of the story.

Halfshell
2008-02-09, 11:38 AM
Tech specs, bitch.

By your logic, Hubcap isn't real.

inflatable dalek
2008-02-09, 12:01 PM
Tech specs, bitch.

By your logic, Hubcap isn't real.

Hubcap has been in comics (in the "all the the Bumblebee repaints at Bumper's funeral" Origin bit and I suspect he was in a DW crowd scene at one point).

Still a good point though- So what of toys without techspecs, or any fiction appearences? Are they "canon"?

zigzagger
2008-09-04, 09:47 AM
Yeah, I felt the need to do this....

Alright, so out of curiosity, I thought "m'eh, why not" and picked up the TPB. I already have the original four issues, but I wanted to see what changes had been made to the TPB for myself, and if Ryall's apology statement (I think it was Ryall) had held true :)

First, art and colouring issues:

So, yeah, MOST of the colouring "errors" have been corrected (sans TM Tarantulas of course, since technically his black/grey scheme did exist...somewhere). Though some of the, umm, sloppier entries from the original releases remain intact, but I guess the more "important" concerns have been addressed here. Characters such as BB and Blackarachnia are done up as folks have come to recognise them (i.e. not being coloured entirely orange). Also, from what I can tell, new (or unused?) artwork has been added to many of the profiles, such as actually depicting all versions/modes of the characters (Airazor, Cheetor, etc), while profiles such as Dinobot actually receiving new artwork. So for example, Cybershark's original four-issue entry depicts only his Transmetal humanoid body with, oddly, his corresponding alternate mode being the non-transmetal hammerhead shark - the new entry now has both (bot and shark modes). Though this is the case with most of the other profiles, Megatron still doesn't receive new/unused visuals for his profiled Transmetal versions that some folks mourned the lack of, but the same artwork of his gator body.

Hmmm...

As for the text, from what I can tell, it remains the same. Profiles of characters who appeared in the U.S series still read like synopses of their roles in the series rather than being actual character bios, while Japanese characters (from what I have read from other posters, anyway. My knowledge is somewhat scant on that matter) still boast "revised" profiles for no apparent reason other than...umm...just because the writers felt so? So, in short, not much has changed in this respect. However, the TPB version does have a 7 page glossary. I suppose this is a nifty little consolation...well, assuming if certain ninnernetz people don't read too heavily into it, it's kind of a fun addition. It even explains what the hell Angolmois is - which is a pity, since this glossary section wasn't released around the time Ascending originally hit the shelves....though, really, it probably wouldn't have improved the overall story. Like, at all :(

And that's all I got for now.

inflatable dalek
2008-09-04, 07:43 PM
So it's gone from complete car wreak to merely mediocre?

zigzagger
2008-09-05, 07:34 AM
So it's gone from complete car wreak to merely mediocre?

Mmm, basically. Though it's a bit shallow at moments, it really is harmless fun in the since that MTMTE was, sans the really corny entries spoken through Ironhide, Starscream, or whoever.

I guess my previous post could be used, with some tweaking of course, as a possible review for the Sourcebook since none were written. I'll come up with a list of who is featured, as well as the creative team involved when I find the time.

Clay
2009-05-20, 07:21 PM
Right, so I finally bought the IDW Beast Wars compilation (the book with both miniseries, the character profiles, and the glossary).

I had read "The Gathering" before and liked it ok, but this was the first time I've read "The Ascending." It's alright... it's neat how they could build parallel tensions in two different locales that are actually tens of thousands of years apart. However, the whole "destruction of Cyberton upon failure" plot has been overdone, yeah? I think I would have liked it more if the stakes were smaller. The exposition dialouge to drop character names seemed really clumsy, too.

Anyway, I don't usually read comics, but am I wrong in thinking that the use of bold text to add emphasis is done seemingly at random? It makes little or no sense when read aloud.

Savannahtron
2009-05-20, 07:23 PM
Right, so I finally bought the IDW Beast Wars compilation (the book with both miniseries, the character profiles, and the glossary).

I had read "The Gathering" before and liked it ok, but this was the first time I've read "The Ascending." It's alright... it's neat how they could build parallel tensions in two different locales that are actually tens of thousands of years apart. However, the whole "destruction of Cyberton upon failure" plot has been overdone, yeah? I think I would have liked it more if the stakes were smaller. The exposition dialouge to drop character names seemed really clumsy, too.

Anyway, I don't usually read comics, but am I wrong in thinking that the use of bold text to add emphasis is done seemingly at random? It makes little or no sense when read aloud.

Yes