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zigzagger
2008-06-13, 04:19 AM
Closing the third volume of Transformers: Spotlights is Wheelie, living it up in his very own spotlight. This is your all purpose Spotlight: Wheelie reaction and discussion thread. Will the years of stigmatisation finally be lifted off our small orange friend? Maybe. But letís think positive anyway. Anyone who resorts to using tired and overplayed Wheelie gags here will be fed to ravenous pigs. Enjoy!
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Due to ship along with Spotlight:Cyclonus June 18th according to grahamcrackers.com release schedule
http://grahamcrackers.com/newcomics.htm

Blackjack
2008-06-13, 06:25 AM
Wheelie's spotlight. This is gonna be fun. Either it is going to be good, or very bad. Let's hope he doesn't rhyme, or many flak will come from me. Heh heh heh.

zigzagger
2008-06-13, 02:57 PM
Wheelie's spotlight. This is gonna be fun. Either it is going to be good, or very bad. Let's hope he doesn't rhyme, or many flak will come from me. Heh heh heh.

Yeah, I'm optimistic (about both Spotlights coming out the 18th, actually). I have hight hopes for this one. It will at least be fun. Though the survivalist angle has sort have been used before, it will be nice to see it fleshed out a bit more.

Hennessy
2008-06-13, 03:04 PM
I'm just glad that these are finally coming out, it's been a minute since I've read anything TF.

Blackjack
2008-06-14, 02:36 PM
Reflector is being used, am I correct?

zigzagger
2008-06-15, 02:52 AM
Yep.

Commander Shockwav
2008-06-18, 08:47 PM
Well, this was Castaway meets Transformers, wasn't it?

It's a fun little tale, but I'm glad I read Spotlight:Cyclonus after this one and not before, or I could see myself being much too harsh in my evaluation of it.

Storywise, it's a fun read. It's a good example of what Spotlight's should strive for, that is, presenting a self-contained tale where we see the main character take a journey of sorts to become something he or she wasn't at the stories beginning. I think we get that here, along with a clever little twist at the end with Wheelie's trickery that brought a smile to my face. Good riddance, Reflector.

Art was good, but not great, IMO. Clearly, Don, E.J. and Guido are in a league of their own when it comes to drawing bots, but Klaus does an effective enough job with the pencilling here and it's good to have him as another option.

Enter the Quints. Sigh. Never been a fan of them, but who knows? If Wheelie can shine as a character, why not them?

A fun, stand-alone "B-" tale, and I find myself not being the Wheelie hater I once was.

(But if he starts that rhyming up again, count me out)

zigzagger
2008-06-19, 12:28 AM
That was simply delightful! Just as I had hoped. Not necessarily the most exceptional of Spotlights to date (pretty damn close), but still delightful. Memorable too. Dialogue heavy, mostly spoken through internal monologue, Wheelie tells a rather touching story. The plot is very much character driven, not once deviating from Wheelie's story. In this respect, the book fulfills it duty as a Spotlight, and in my opinion, does it quite well. Wheelie is an interesting character - he's humble, flawed, real and at moments quite funny (Wheelie retrieving his arm from Chaosterous' dung pile after a failed attempt to entreat the creature with the universal greeting was an amusing moment). Wheelie plays the survivalist role well, and I was pleased to see this fleshed out further here.

One minor niggle was Varta's universal translator chip "with a twist". It's purpose, cute as it was, seemed almost unnecessary in relation to the story (i.e. similar to Grimlock's supposedly damaged vocal processor in his Spotlight). EDIT: Okay, it's not really that unnecessary. It helped him communicate with Varta, making it somewhat relevant to the story's survivalist theme. And is it safe to assume the image on the final panel means we'll be seeing the Quintessons at some point? I'll reserve judgment of that to a later time.

This was a very unique tale that finally makes Wheelie an interesting character, in my opinion. It 's a wonderfully fun diversion if you are willing to look past the character's history (and the rhyming, brief as it was). Yes, ziggy liked it.
4/4.5 out of 5 (maybe more upon the second reading)

Halfshell
2008-06-19, 12:08 PM
Good fun, with a whacking great two fingers up at continuity.

Hardly surprising that Wheelie was picked ahead of Bumper, seeing as he's dead. And I think that applies to Scrounge too. Unless that was, like, the joke or something. Personally I prefer to view it as step one on the road to completely retconning Morigin out of existence.

Interesting to see how McCarthy's going to justify Reflector in AHM now. Though I forsee a "they had teh teleport all along but forgot!!11" loophole.

Yayyyyyyyy.

Reason for the rhyming's not brilliant, but at least it's an actual reason. Which is more than we got before. Hot Spot's two words, isn't it? Eh, and Banzai-Tron has a hyphen... bugger it.

Was all braced for the "penultimate page reveal" that Furmo's been teasing. Evidently we're including the "how to draw" (or whatever) page that comes after the story in that count... very confused.

But... was hoping we wouldn't see them. Was bound to happen eventually. And it does tie Wheelie back into the previous incarnations. Wild Boy of Quintessa indeedz.

zigzagger
2008-06-20, 04:22 AM
Hardly surprising that Wheelie was picked ahead of Bumper, seeing as he's dead. And I think that applies to Scrounge too. Unless that was, like, the joke or something. Personally I prefer to view it as step one on the road to completely retconning Morigin out of existence.

I have to admit, that panel kind of irked me. Yes, I understood that it was stressing that Wheelie was grossly under appreciated and that this treatment would lead to him proving his worth, but come on...he was reluctantly picked over Roller (and the other two, as already mentioned, are dead. That is, if you're willing to include Megatron:Origin as in continuity). I guess it was kind of funny...sort of. It made me frown. Poor Wheelie :( But, I guess that's why I liked Wheelie here - he's a bit of loser, which makes him believable to an extent.

Red Dave Prime
2008-06-20, 06:50 PM
Yeah, this was a good one. It stands alone well but possibly leads into future plots. I liked the messed up arm idea (altough why are all the organic animals trying to eat him?). The conflict with the cons is brief but works. If reflector is in the AHM I'm confused how things are all linked. Maybe the reflector character is a clone or something.

One thought that did come to me though. In Spotlight:Optimus, prime recieves the communication from wheelie. Either he doesnt act on it (which is being a bit of a dickhead) or the next time we see wheelie (and the other inhabitants of the planet) will be when the rescue crew arrive.

Regarding the quints, I dont mind them being in the IDW world but they'll need a major overhaul to be interesting. Lets face it, for non-toy characters they were heavily used in both cartoon and comic.

Vida
2008-06-20, 07:45 PM
I really liked this one. I thought it was going to be terrible but Wheelie came out likable which an amazing feat all on its own.

I have a question though. If memory serves, all the other Spotlights have little bios of the character on the backside of the cover. The comic I got just has a big orange spot where text has typically been in the past. Did they just skip out on that this time around?

-Tony Vida; TK 3204; Austin, Tx

inflatable dalek
2008-06-21, 05:29 PM
A hugely enjoyable romp, it did cheat a bit with the alien giving his name off panel so they didn't have to think of a rhyme for it, but it was still great guns.

IDW's atrocious editing continues though, no misplaced speech bubbles this time and I'll charitably assume they're trying to retcon Origin out of continuity, But someone along the line should have said "Actually guys, we're planning to use Reflector in AHM so could you either not kill them so hard or feature the Firecons instead?"

Denyer
2008-06-22, 01:17 PM
Brilliant, especially the details that go above and beyond such as the retro cover. Sumptuous art and colours throughout, stacks of text, more big-picture stuff relating to the Autobot war effort, and some genuinely gripping character writing. Plus whilst the Quints don't need to be anything more than long-lost buried remnants in this continuity, the nod's nice.

The issue as a whole really shows the care and attention that's been given to putting it together. Solid work by Klaus/Simon/Josh, and is this the first regular issue Denton's edited?

4.5/5

Red Dave Prime
2008-06-22, 07:25 PM
A re-read of this has me thinking it might be set further in the future. This would allow the incidents of AHM to pass with the spybots fleeing earth in their ship and crashing on wheelies world (quintessa?) The wheelie issue covers a lot of ground going from the great war to when he crashes, anoher long spell until the decepticons appear and then another year before the end of the issue.

Halfshell
2008-06-22, 07:35 PM
Though it being current ties in with Wheelie's appearance in Spotlight Optimus Prime.

Red Dave Prime
2008-06-22, 07:40 PM
Actually no. Prime gets image of wheelie just before the start of the devastation arc but that happens near the start of wheelies adventures. Seeing as at least a year passes by the time we get to the finish, the end of wheelie must be happening some months after the devastation arc (which, altough dragged over 6 issues only takes place over a few hours)

The IDW universe needs star dates! :)

Vida
2008-06-23, 01:36 AM
I posted this in the Spotlight Wheelie thread but I feel its been overlooked. In my copy of spotlight wheelie there is no descrtiption/bio of wheelie on the inside/backside of the cover where there has been on all the other spotlights. Is this so with everyone else's issues?

-Tony Vida; TK 3204; Austin Tx

zigzagger
2008-06-23, 02:39 AM
It's not in my copy either (and from what I gathered reading elsewhere, that's just how they were all printed). I have the B cover variant though, so I'm not sure if it is different with the other (I some how doubt it, though do correct me). The way I figured it, because this bio is basically on the front of the B cover, perhaps may be the reason why it did not appear on the inside. Though, that really doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, that's all I got.

EDIT: Think I'll move this back with the rest of the Spotlight: Wheelie thread and just leave the re-directory up for a while.

slartibartfast
2008-06-23, 02:05 PM
That was simply delightful! I loved it. Thoroughly enjoyable, if I may join in the consensus.

Was waiting eagerly for this. Picking one of the most annoying characters of the series sort of foretold they were likely to pull something out of the hat in the same vein as Kup. It works mighty fine. Well paced throughout too.

Great work guys.

zigzagger
2008-06-23, 05:53 PM
Yay! Starti joins the discussion. You are now one with the Hub. Will we be seeing more of you in here? Oh, do say yes.

slartibartfast
2008-06-23, 07:10 PM
Of course! I've finally caught up on most of G1 since marvel, I'm no longer a one-horse cart!

and I.. er, I missed you too.

Halfshell
2008-06-24, 03:33 PM
Actually no. Prime gets image of wheelie just before the start of the devastation arc but that happens near the start of wheelies adventures.

Relies on the assumption that the message is received at the time of transmission. We've no idea how long it takes to get there.

Seeing as at least a year passes

Year's a pretty meaningless term in this context. Is that an Earth year? A Cybertronian year? A year for the planet Wheelie's marooned on? All of the above?

The timeline cannae take the strain.

Red Dave Prime
2008-06-24, 05:51 PM
Both good points there. Seeing as how most of the space conversations are done face to face and in real time it would have to be a massive distance if wheelies message is taking time to get through, altough he does have limited tech. And the year thing is one I didnt notice at all.

Timelines = confused. seriously IDW, star dates please!!

another tf fan
2008-07-03, 01:22 AM
yeah, I din't have much hope for the Wheelie Spotlight, but it was actually very good.

Loved the drawing of Wheelie flippin the bird.

Blackjack
2008-07-03, 04:32 AM
Timelines sure confusing. Spotlight Optimus Prime happened before Galvatron, it appears. Very confusing!

Chaosteros appear to be based on 'Chaos' of the G1 episode of the same name.

Halfshell
2008-07-03, 12:01 PM
Timelines sure confusing. Spotlight Optimus Prime happened before Galvatron, it appears. Very confusing!

Nah, they're concurrent. OP starts a little before the events of Galvy - he's off seeing Omega when Sideswipe's trying to get hold of him.

Obviously Galvy makes more sense read after OP, but I'm glad they were published that way round - adds a better air of mystery to the Galvatron issue. Some things are better when you don't know what's going on.

Though those are both from v2.

Blitzwing
2008-07-04, 01:35 AM
Got it a little late, but I loved the Wheelie spotlight.

I liked how they showed what happens to a Transformer's alt-mode when it damages a limb and doesn't repair it properly. Would be cool to see that kind of thing happen to other bots down the line.

The Reflector bots didn't really get much time to show who they were other than some random goons. I guess you can only fit in so much into one issue though.

I think they can easily revisit this storyline and bring in the Quints. If done right, they can make for some interesting characters. I wonder if the planet he is on is what is left of Quintessa?

mechanix81
2008-07-11, 03:12 PM
Just got this. I thought it was ok, but was a bit too similar to Kup in terms of setup, and not as intriguing in execution. Something that continues to impress me here is the art. If anything the IDW TF art style is moving closer to the Marvel run. I wonder if this is reactionary from the DW era, or just a coincidence.

Cliffjumper
2008-08-05, 02:19 PM
Right, I get the idea that merging the individual spotlights gets rid of clutter, but everyone realises this thread is basically impossible to read, yeh? There could be explanations for my usual whingeing in here, but working out which spotlight the phrase "this spotlight" refers to can be a bit tricky.

Mirage - WTF is my first-reading response. I'm not 100% sure whether I understood what exactly was happening, but I'm 100% sure there's nothing important in there for me to care either way.

Grimlock - So, Wolverine broke out of Weapon X. Good for him. Thing made me sad though - I regularly forget the Machination and their tacky, napkin-scribbled motives exist. Until they show up. And Abraham Dante? What, did he feel obliged to become a super-villain after being christened that? Is that what it says inside his undies? A Brasnya-sized bullet through Furman's earlier pretensions (though he has been better-behaved since he wrote The Young Avengers out, to be fair). And do IDW actually have any editing staff, or are they all too busy playing "Get the Strawman" on the board to check how to spell "Strength"?

Wheelie - Studenty premise and use of the old "human phrase with TF word plonked in" a la the cartoon got me off on this one on the wrong foot, I'm afraid. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good - just someone taking Wheelie and thinking "Hmm, how can I make him tolerable?", which is pretty easy if anyone actually wants to do it.

Sorry to the peeps who went to effort so I could catch up, but I felt those were three of the weaker Spotlights :(

zigzagger
2008-08-05, 10:16 PM
Right, I get the idea that merging the individual spotlights gets rid of clutter, but everyone realises this thread is basically impossible to read, yeh?
I suppose we could keep them seperate, rather than merge them after the volume has completed itself. Personally, merging would work nicely if, say, it was some where indicated where the post originated from, maybe in the title box. But I am not aware of there being such a feature, meaning it would do this automatically upon merging. I think the purpose of doing so is for the sake of the TPBs. I'll brainstorm and see if there is a better way to organise the threads here, if possible.

Denyer, if you happen to be around that is, what do you think?

Wheelie - Studenty premise and use of the old "human phrase with TF word plonked in" a la the cartoon got me off on this one on the wrong foot, I'm afraid. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good - just someone taking Wheelie and thinking "Hmm, how can I make him tolerable?", which is pretty easy if anyone actually wants to do it.Mind, it's all about personal preference, but I am curious (i.e. not criticizing, just genuinely curious, so be nice to me ;)) as to why you thought Wheelie was one of the weaker Spotlights. I thought it was great fun! Was it too pretentious? I could see that maybe.

Cliffjumper
2008-08-06, 04:42 AM
Nah, it was more a little bit... obvious, if you get me. Wheelie's only really disliked for his annoying voice and immature behaviour - it's a simple thing to subvert, you just don't write him as a spastic child and hope most readers have blocked out Frank Welker's second-worse performance. I mean, I never watch anything he featured prominently in anyway (is it me, or was Wheelie really not in the cartoon much at all?), so I've never particularly disliked him - the brief role in the comic and the story book that touched on the same ground twenty-plus years ago are my main memories of the character. For a fresh universe, IDW's stuff trades too much on subverting what's gone before, and it gets dull after a while.

It's on the same level as whichever one of Devil's Due's hacks gave us BADASS COMBAT RATCHET in one of the Joe crossovers. The plot and story weren't bad (though once again 22 wasted pages with the end of the line getting closer), but it was too clever by half - you can see Furman (or whoever wrote the thing) going "Heh, I've made Wheelie vaguely likable and given him a bit of a story, how amazing am I?". Competent, but little more - like most of IDW's output to date, there were a few great ideas in there, but it didn't add up to much.

Re: the threads... maybe lock the old ones, and have the first post of the TPB thread contain links? Not ideal, but then this thread is worthless as an archive due to the relatively close publishing of some of the issues (plus some causing more debate than others).

Halfshell
2008-08-06, 08:02 AM
(is it me, or was Wheelie really not in the cartoon much at all?)

I think most of the intarweb bile comes from people who sat for hours downloading Headmasters (back when episode downloading was a magical treat), expecting some fantastical space epic, only to get The Wheelie & Daniel Show.

They then convinced themselves that it would have been TEH AWESOME if not for The Dub Being Crap Wheelie.

Cliffjumper
2008-08-06, 04:26 PM
Headmasters does uncannily combine the worst of both Western and Japanese cartoons, doesn't it?

Denyer
2008-09-06, 11:57 AM
if, say, it was some where indicated where the post originated from, maybe in the title box.
vBulletin has "threaded" and "hybrid" views (a bit like newsgroup discussion) that basically do this, but they tend to confuse people so they're turned off here...

I don't have a problem following the conversations (or at least think I don't -- we'll see if that's the case when I try to split this lot) but if it's causing other people problems, we'll try an alternative. Thread per story, as originally created, and an index for the threads.