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Denyer
2008-05-04, 01:23 PM
I think early copies were circulating at BotCon, but the mass-market release should be out this Wednesday.

(Spoiler) reviews:

http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3841

Preview:

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inflatable dalek
2008-05-04, 03:26 PM
The current issue of SFX (Hellboy 2 cover) reviews it, apparently it spends too much time recapping the film (in case anyone hasn't seen this obscure motion picture) and Alex Milne has the artistic talent of a slug.

electro girl
2008-05-04, 05:20 PM
when will it be out in the uk?

Denyer
2008-05-04, 06:31 PM
There are occasionally delays, but generally we get stuff at the same time as the US. A big comics store will have their stock out on Wednesday, smaller ones might take until Thursday or Friday.

The first issue is apparently big on recapping things from a Decepticon perspective, and the series a five-parter (AFAIK) rather than four to accommodate that angle.

Alex Milne has the artistic talent of a slug.
After finally picking up and reading the adaptation issues I quite enjoyed the thing; it'd been long enough since I saw the film that I wasn't directly comparing, and the main irritation was characters not looking remotely like the actors. It'd suit the target audience; i.e. kids looking to cover the movie story in another format.

Milne wouldn't have been my choice of artist for a project that sold in such volume, though. His stuff after Megatron: Origin has been an improvement... I don't think it's so much his art that's the problem here as that the pre-Earth movie designs suck. Sticking a different artist on doesn't help that.

edit: And to qualify, by 'suck' I'm talking about the over-complicated paneling that relies on dicing small segments up and involving a great many counterweights in transformation. Very messy and indistinct visually, which the faces don't help.

zigzagger
2008-05-05, 07:22 AM
Ah, finally got an official date on this one. Its scheduled release had changed a few times, if I recall.

I'm not sure if I am going to get this one yet. The movie continuity just hasn't interested me all that much. Not to say that what I have been able to read was that bad. Just never been all that excited about it.



Milne wouldn't have been my choice of artist for a project that sold in such volume, though. His stuff after Megatron: Origin has been an improvement... I don't think it's so much his art that's the problem here as that the pre-Earth movie designs suck. Sticking a different artist on doesn't help that.

Considering how busy the movie designs already are, and how busy Milne's style tends to be, does sound like a bit of an eye strain. I even had a few eye squinting and turning the book sideways moments when I read Spotlight: Arcee. Though, in all fairness, these preview pages aren't too bad.

Denyer
2008-05-05, 06:23 PM
Yeah, they're as decent as the movie designs get, on the whole -- and clear colouring helps, particularly that Autobot shuttle exterior and characters such as Cosmos and Cliffjumper. It seems that Hasbro have relaxed the pre-movie restrictions on characters having brightly coloured pre-Earth forms.

inflatable dalek
2008-05-10, 04:25 PM
Plod plod plod... This could have been done in about half the pages really. I really didn't need a recap of the film (and will anyone reading it do so?) and the only new stuff-- the evacuation of Cybertron-- was all so obvious it didn't really need showing.

So little actually happens it's hard to find anything else to say really. Though it's a surprise they're reprinting the UK stuff as a tie into this considering the two are fairly inconpatible in lots and lots of ways beyond the name of the tank. Which makes the tie into Ghosts of Yesterday all the stranger (though at least they didn't use the names Ark and Nemesis here).

Commander Shockwav
2008-05-11, 11:17 PM
I read the issue last night, and was underwhelmed. Not because the art or story were bad, per se, but the characters as presented by the movie have next to zero appeal outside of a computer-animated medium.

They all look the same, all spiky with indecipherable facial expression.

Again, not the fault of any of the creative team on this book. But their task is an uphill battle.

A very steep uphill battle.

So how does one overcome this and make it worthwhile to buy this? Well, I think the next few issues must focus on characterization. These bots have to exude some character more than ever given their physical drawbacks.

The goal should be to make us care. Somewhat akin to Wilson in the film Castaway starring Tom Hanks. Here we have an inanimate object with just a painted on face and palm fiber hair who does absolutely nothing. Yet, by the end, we actually see Wilson as alive, as something with substance and purpose. And we care.

Yeah, it's a tough task, but that's kind of the analogy I think can be made here, because these guys just have no clarity or expression.

More than ever in any other TF genre, they are machines. Somehow, the writers have to overcome this.

Denyer
2008-05-12, 12:30 AM
I don't think adding characterisations of others who had the names earlier is the way to go, really. Conversely I'd be interested in something like a Barricade spotlight that dealt purely with pre-Allspark-crisis movie universe Cybertron; something genuinely new plus a character who isn't just riffing on an existing one.

Blitzwing
2008-05-14, 02:57 AM
I liked seeing Starscream's perspective of what happened in the movie, especially since he was my favorite character to appear in it. It was also nice to see the Decepticons get a few lines besides "All hail Megatron!"

I was thinking that Starscream was one of the jets that shot down Megatron, it's cool that he at least thought about it. He seems to be a lot more level headed than he is in some of his other incarnations.

Also, I abolutely loved the line on the last page.

"We all know what conquest is made of." Of course we do... "the ashes of one's enemies!"

It is a slow start to the series, but it looks like it has some promise.

starlord
2008-05-15, 02:58 PM
Cool, I can't wait to read it!

zigzagger
2008-05-31, 01:06 AM
Back for more duplicitous deeds, this is your all purpose, no holds barred, Reign of Starscream #2 reaction and discussion thread. Come, tell us what you thought...before I start shooting hostages.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3622/27zg0.gif

Due to arrive in your scaly fanboy/girl tentacles June 4th according to TFW2005.com's anonymous source.
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/transformers-comic-releases-for-june-4-2008-165001/
Stay tuned for confirmation.

Denyer
2008-05-31, 01:11 AM
And indeed regular sources: http://grahamcrackers.com/newcomics.htm

Some speculative ones for books further ahead:

http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4023&start=15

zigzagger
2008-05-31, 01:19 AM
Some speculative ones for books further ahead:

http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4023&start=15

Hmm. Wheelie and Cyclonus for the 18th? We'll see if that holds. I assumed one would have been released early June, while the other (presumably Cyclonus) see a end of June release. It'd be nice if the above is correct, though.

Blitzwing
2008-06-09, 09:46 PM
So, I liked it. The story follows Starscream very closely and he's so far been a character that can handle that much screen time. I liked the interaction he had with Thundercracker as his underling. Also liked how the Sector 7 guy just "popped" inside of his cockpit as he was heading to space.

Looking forward to next issue, looks like Arcee, Cliffjumper and Cosmos (among others) are about to get into the action.

another tf fan
2008-06-09, 10:57 PM
So I was right , That was Cosmos.

So cool to see the non-movie toys getting used here. Loved that Hardtop showed up.

Nevermore
2008-06-10, 06:01 PM
There's also Smokescreen (Fast Action Battlers Jazz repaint).

another tf fan
2008-06-11, 05:56 PM
cool, i didn't notice smokescreen before.

inflatable dalek
2008-06-16, 07:17 PM
Mmmm, still felt and bit inconsequential and slow to me. The first two issues could easily have been merged into one easily enough...

zigzagger
2008-07-10, 10:21 PM
Back for even more duplicitous deeds, this is your all purpose Reign of Starscream #3 reaction and discussion thread. Play nice.

Due to ship along with Spotlight: Hardhead July 16th according to grahamcrackers.com shipping schedule
http://www.grahamcrackers.com/newcomics.htm
(http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/diamond-comic-distributors-shipping-list-for-71608-165342/)

Blitzwing
2008-07-18, 01:28 AM
The comic is moving along nicely. Nice to see Arcee get some monlogue, I wonder if her personality will stay the same in TF2.

I'm starting to realize that the character designs are really not doing it for me. It's not that the artist is bad... it's just that these designs are no good for the comic book medium. The designs look great on the big screen, but not on the page.

inflatable dalek
2008-07-18, 01:35 PM
Christ on a bike, Milne's art really suffers when he has to do anything more complicated than having characters stand there doing nothing doesn't it? Actually it suffers a fair bit when they're just doing that.

The whole story still feels like a gratuitous attempt to get every single movie toy into the comic with scant regard for anything else.

zigzagger
2008-07-18, 05:07 PM
Christ on a bike, Milne's art really suffers when he has to do anything more complicated than having characters stand there doing nothing doesn't it?


I'm starting to realize that the character designs are really not doing it for me. It's not that the artist is bad... it's just that these designs are no good for the comic book medium.
Personally, I think it is a combination of the artists style and the movie characters. Milne's penciling tends to be rather busy (which I imagine is no easy feat for colourists), with a bit too much care to detail. The movie designs are also quite busy, sometimes difficult to distinguish what is what. Put both these two elements together and, I am sorry to say this, but you get quite the eye strain. At least I think so.

inflatable dalek
2008-07-18, 05:13 PM
The single worst moment is when Arcee is having this big inner monologue whilst squating as if having a crafty pee behind a rock whilst holding a gun that seems about twice as large as her body. [Mind, no ones said "She" "Her" or any other female pronouns so far, are we in asexual territory here?]

I'm also vaguely surprised the Movie Autobots can't instantly switch off their audio receptors like Prime's crew did in Dim and Distant Thunder.

Nevermore
2008-07-24, 02:40 PM
The robots weren't the problem for me... but DEAR GOOD SOMEONE PLEASE TEACH ALEX MILNE HOW TO DRAW HUMAN FACES. Seriously.

That Sector Seven leader guy on page 15 looks like some clone creature straight out of a Pat Lee comic after a hairdryer exploded in his face. Also, I originally thought his moustache was is mouth in the second panel. And then that anime reject chick next to him. And that soldier guy with his unnatural body posture and facial expressions. He looks is if he were bluescreened into that scene. Really, those humans loook HORRIBLE.

Story's surprisingly good. Starscream's character is nicely fleshed out, better than the G1 cartoon stereotype we got in "All Lame Megatron".

Same for Arcee. This is a good characterization, unlike Furman's crazy psychopathic emo killer chick from the Spotlights.

Halfshell
2008-07-24, 02:51 PM
Same for Arcee. This is a good characterization, unlike Furman's crazy psychopathic emo killer chick from the Spotlights.

She's emo... how, exactly?

zigzagger
2008-07-24, 08:25 PM
She's emo... how, exactly?

Umm...her mascara is running on the variant cover? That is, like, so emo. Probably crying after writing bad Goth poetry or reading one of Poppy Z. Brite's earlier novels ;)

zigzagger
2008-08-09, 11:47 PM
This is your all purpose Reign of Starscream #4 reaction and discussion thread.
Due to arrive August 13th according to grahamcrackers.com shipping schedule.
http://www.grahamcrackers.com/newcomics.htm

Blackjack
2008-08-12, 11:45 AM
Let's hope they kill off more Transformers this time.

Actually, come to think of it, the reason they killed Hardtop, Smokescreen, Air Raid and the others might be because they are preventing them from being used in the sequel.

Let the Real Gear robots appear... and die. very. slowly. and horribly. :D

Blitzwing
2008-08-19, 12:33 AM
So yeah... I'm starting to agree with those that think this series has become nothing but an excuse to give exposure to all the movie toys that didn't appear in the actual movie. This issue seemed to roll out a new character on almost every page. And sadly, they were unable to make me care at all about any of them.

Starscream continues to drift from interesting character to his old G1 persona. I was hoping that this version of him might be able to break his usual character mold, but he seems to be drifting back to his old egotistical self.

I'm still wondering if any of these events will be referenced or acknowledged at all in Revenge of the Fallen.

inflatable dalek
2008-08-19, 08:52 AM
There are bucket loads of really odd looking characters here, the Energon repaints should play more to Milne's [Tesco value lager] strengths but he's taken the in theory laudable but in practice insane decision to try and make them look as much like the Movie designs as possible which results in a hidious bastard hybrid monster look to half the characters. I didn't even realise that was supposed to be Signal Flare till he was called by name, I thought it was a Scrounge homage from the yellow colour scheme and his one arm being differently shaped to the other...

Also, there's a chap on Arcee's rescue team who looks exactly like Warpath (who in turn looks like Movie Ironhide) in Starscreams prison which doesn't help.

As for plot, precious little has happened yet has it? At this late stage I get the horrid feeling all the stuff with Wreckage [You know, the stuff tying into the DVD comic that doesn't actually fit in with the film at all] and Sector 7 is set up for the next mini rather than anything that's going to be dealt with here.

And Crankcase showing up for one line only to be bitch slapped into muteness ["AHA! But it's cleaver subtext because Megatron did the same to Bumblebee!" I hear you cry, "Who cares?" I reply] is by far the worst example yet of the shoving toy characters in thing Blitzwing mentions.

Oh, and Boo for confirmation that Elita-One (and by extension Arcee) are "She" after the last few issues avoiding the pronoun. More pink girlies, because if they're pink they have to be girls oh yes, how marvellous.

This doesn't seem to be getting much feedback, are most people not bothering?

EDIT:


I'm still wondering if any of these events will be referenced or acknowledged at all in Revenge of the Fallen.

I suspect either everyone who might let on to the actual film characters this has happened will die, or the next storyline will find some way to wrap everything up in a "Let us never talk of this again" way.

Considering IDW have been working from draft scripts I wouldn't be totally surprised if the biggest thing related to the Earth characters- Sector 7 having been building their own Transformers- is something the Sequel will be using, but by the same token I equally wouldn't be surprised if there's no connection. I'm just not the surprising type.

Blackjack
2008-08-19, 09:06 AM
Haven't picked this up, waiting for the TPB to come out. Not that individual comics actually come into this country...

Anyway, looked at some pics in the net. Never thought Crankcase was Crankcase. Thought he was a Movie-ized Skids.

More Fembots? Holy crap.

Nevermore
2008-08-19, 05:40 PM
Oddly, I liked it quite a bit. Was a more enjoyable read than the Movie Prequel mini or the *gasp* Movie Adaption.

The Sleeper
2008-08-20, 01:12 AM
I liked emo death Arcee... it was better then the fluffy pink bunny arcee with the human fetish thats on the g1 cartoon... Seriously

zigzagger
2008-08-23, 06:56 AM
Surprisingly early, this is your all purpose Reign of Starscream #5 reaction and discussion thread. Due the arrive in your sweaty fanboy/girl hands the 27th of August according to grahamcrackers.com shipping schedule.
http://www.grahamcrackers.com/newcomics.htm

inflatable dalek
2008-08-23, 11:20 AM
Christ, that's supersexy fast. If they can knock issues out in two weeks I guess I could well be owing IDW that apology for the All Hail Megatron thing after all...

Though if Milne has been rushing the art to get it out this fast, well... would we be able to tell the difference?

Blackjack
2008-09-04, 12:11 PM
I dunno. In my opinion, Alex Milne's art is good. WAIT DONT KILL ME FIRST.

It's the layering and Milne's penchant for easter eggs and overdetailing. While the art in itself is good in standalone pictures like covers, they often overlap and don't do good justice to action scenes. The scene where Starscream throws Sentinel Prime down, the scene where Megs slaps Bumblejumper, the scene where (Movie) Prime whams Barricade so dramatically are good examples.

Over Easter eggs are also confusing, especially in Origin. All those Monstructors and Crashers and Skyquakes and Seawings and Red Alerts are confusing us. Overdetailing detracts us from the true main characters, making us confused who's supposed to be the main characters, who's supposed to be cameos, who's supposed to be generics and so on.

Nevermore
2008-09-04, 08:42 PM
Satisfying resolution. Nifty story, interesting characterization. Might I add that screenwriter Roberto Orci also considered the writing for RoS "good stuff" over at TFW2005 a few weeks ago, particularly its depiction of Starscream? Quite possible that the Starscream we're going to see in the sequel might actually be somewhat similar to the one seen in this mini.

Milne's art, which was okay for the most part of this mini (as long as he wasn't drawing humans), suffered a little in this issue, but it was still passable.

Blitzwing
2008-09-05, 05:24 AM
So overall the mini was a nice little story that added to the personalities of Starscream and, to a lesser extent, Arcee.

The art wasn't great in my opinion though. I guess I'm just not a fan of the Movie designs drawn on paper.

The main downside to it was that the story was pretty much a throwaway. Nothing that happened will really effect my opinion of the Movieverse.

inflatable dalek
2008-09-06, 03:53 PM
Well, that was all kind of pointless wasn't it? No seeming need for any of that Sector 7 stuff, the new Allspark did jack shit (I was assuming it would fail, but in a catastrophic way that would require much effort to bring under control, instead in just went, in the words of origin Megatron, "Hhn" and fizzled out).

Whilst there was some hilarity from Arcee's rescue mission failing within thirty seconds of it starting it did mean the Autobots might as well have stayed home, all they achieved was deactivating the Drones which basically meant Starscream lived to fight another day.

Oh, and look, here's Brad Mick back writing a page uncredited. "I still function" my bleeding arse.

Confused messy art didn't help either (how many actual Decepticons were in the crowd and how many were drones?). Is Starscream supposed to be on the Moon at the end?

Terome
2008-09-11, 11:32 AM
I quite liked this series to be honest. It was a brave stab at trying something different and slightly interesting with Starscream & The Movie Bunch, but I reckon it suffered from all the fan-nods and quotes from the tech specs and such. There was an uneasy pattern of 'Hey, this isn't the old Starscream,' clashing with, 'But he occasionally quotes the old Starscream verbatim for contrived reasons!'

Still, I like the idea of him messing things up completely despite putting a lot of time and effort and resources behind his plan. Poor old Starscream. Chin up, here comes the next movie.

They should really get someone in to simplify those designs, though. I don't mind them when they're moving about or in some approximation of three dimensions, but they need some pared down character models if they insist on using Milne on upcoming movieverse comics.

And Dalek, I think he's supposed to be on Mars at the end but the Earth is spirally uncontrollably out of orbit on the fast track to the Oort Cloud. Or maybe the atmosphere of Mars refracts light so that the sky acts as a giant telescope. That would be pretty neat if that was true, actually.

Commander Shockwav
2008-09-11, 02:43 PM
I thought it was quite good given the characters all look like walking contorted scrap heaps without facial expression.

I would say Mowry pulled it off here, really.

inflatable dalek
2008-09-11, 08:16 PM
They should really get someone in to simplify those designs, though. I don't mind them when they're moving about or in some approximation of three dimensions, but they need some pared down character models if they insist on using Milne on upcoming movieverse comics.

I think the Titan comic has shown its more than possible to make the Movie designs work in a comic with the right artist (usually the ones who go more toy based ironically enough). The problem really is Milne isn't one of them.

zigzagger
2008-11-19, 10:27 PM
Okay, so I finally got around to reading this, initially being reluctant to approach the Movie-verse (or rather, not being all that interested in it). While having some fresh blood take up the writing duties is quite refreshing, I had one quibble with the series overall - that being the conclusion. While the Autobots featured here do make some advances as far as long term story progression is concerned, I felt, in the grander scheme of things, there wasn't any serious repercussions left behind by the title character himself. He starts off as being the lone Decepticon on Earth, carries out his grandiose scheme and along the way we get a good feel of the character, but by the end he's back to almost exactly where he was in the first issue. Now, while RoS for the most part was a decent romp, it being a nice and dense read with some lovely characterisations, the conclusion in #5, in my opinion, made the events from the first four issues seem rather immaterial and, really, kind of pointless. Unless I'm missing something here, and I'm willing admit to that if that is the case. Thumbs up, however, for Arcee.

Blackjack
2008-12-11, 08:24 AM
Read the TPB finally.

Reign of Starscream is... different, frankly, from anything previously. Not bad, but could do without all the flashbacks.

Brawl. Hah.

Alex Milne's art doesn't really rank as bad as Megatron Origin or the Movie Adaptation, but probably it is helped by the colorist. But all the Cybertron/Energon repaints (Warpath et al) received some redesigns. Some like Wingblade and Ramjet and Breakaway are... nice, as well as Blackout/Cosmos/Arcee's cybertronian alternate modes. But Elita-One's face is horrendous.

The bonuses are many in this TPB compared to, say Infiltration, I'm happy to say. A commentary (which is quite short, but gave some interesting tidbits. Including a 'Vortex' generic character--which appeared right after Arcee shot the fake Allspark--not being random designs, Mowry confirming that Wreckage being foreshadowing). With no less than ten pages of Alex Milnes sketches (including some scary face designs, Seeker alt modes and whatnot) and a roll call--which neglected some other characters.

Cosmos was unexpected.

And there's some insight on the difference between drones and Dreadwing/Payload.