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Knightdramon
2009-02-07, 09:10 AM
Long story short; those of you who do not own a Bandai Soul of Chogokin figure yet, do so. You'll be surprised how a plastic transformers fan can succumb to the beauty and heft of die-cast when it does not hinder limbs, articulation, and does not chip like crazy.

I'm thinking of adding little reviews and making lists of all available and forthcoming chogokin toys [not only manufactured by bandai] in this thread.

Will be making short reviews for Daimos, God Mars and Ideon within the weekend, more to follow.

Cliffjumper
2009-02-07, 09:34 AM
Daimos really does sound tasty. The only one that's left me slightly let down so far is Combattler, and that's simply because Voltes is soooo much better (but then there's something like six years between them). Diecast + modern engineering + excellent articulation + quality = incredible win. The main problem, I suspect, is that very few of them turn into lame sportscars...

Rattrap's tail
2009-03-10, 04:20 PM
I am in part. liking the new EVA's with armor that you can take off the being. I have been started loving them since I saw their Design compared to other Robots from 1995. (it should be noted that I am indeed a bit crazy...)

Knightdramon
2009-03-10, 04:36 PM
Had Eva 01 with removable armour but had to sell it, now I got 02 from a friend as a birthday gift. Really great articulation and stability. Plus the gun options are limitless!

Rattrap's tail
2009-03-17, 04:49 PM
Who's the better one??? I can't chose between them because they both look really awesome. I am only scared that if I had one, I would lose a part of it...

I envy you...

Knightdramon
2009-03-17, 11:05 PM
Well they each have their up and downs. Eva 01 is undoubtedly more iconic and has a simper accessories set-up [riffle and handgun and knives if I remember correctly], EVA 02 has tons of guns, ranging from bazookas to riffles to vibration knives to lances to axes to a white positron gun. Only negative I found in '02 is that the openings on the head that reveal the full burst face are painted a different red than the rest of the figure.

Since they all use the same body and differ in accessories and head sculpts, I'd say get the one you like best. I wasn't going to wait any more for a release of a SPEC 03, but I will get one when it's made. Then there's the OVA versions...just pick the one you like the most, really :D

Rattrap's tail
2009-03-19, 06:00 PM
I believe I found it: SOC SPEC EVA UNIT-01 XS-01R, that R means extra accesoires to make him even better. I would really like an UNIT-3 SPEC edition but for now, I am just gonna love the one mentioned above, do the same with Unit-2 and I am gonna ignore UNIT-00 which looks daft in my opinion.

Knightdramon
2009-03-19, 07:08 PM
R means renewal version, it's supposed to have some newly designed joints for more fluid movement and less strain. I don't suppose they're going for R versions of 02 or 00 any moment now, though. Seeing as they're separate serial releases in the line, and the SPEC line is almost half-dominated by Evas as it is, it would be waaaay overkill...

Cliffjumper
2009-03-19, 07:30 PM
Like Mazinger?

Zeeks
2009-03-19, 07:58 PM
humorous intro to post:

http://kendeson.com/php6/images/products/toys/bandai/gx-08/gx08.jpg

Shooting Boobies. I luv it.

Reading this thread, I thought the EVA 01 thing looked familiar..........turns out I bastardized a few back in the day.........

http://www.tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=40258

After looking at a few of these guys on cliffy's site, it reminds me of a show I used to watch called Grandizer or something.........man, I always hoped I could find it on DVD. There was others.........um, Guyking, danguard V, and this one guy who split into three different modules. Can't remember the name.

Cliffjumper
2009-03-19, 09:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Five - semi-official Shogun Warriors tie-in.

Rattrap's tail
2009-03-24, 03:04 PM
humorous intro to post:

http://kendeson.com/php6/images/products/toys/bandai/gx-08/gx08.jpg

Shooting Boobies. I luv it.

Reading this thread, I thought the EVA 01 thing looked familiar..........turns out I bastardized a few back in the day.........

http://www.tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=40258

After looking at a few of these guys on cliffy's site, it reminds me of a show I used to watch called Grandizer or something.........man, I always hoped I could find it on DVD. There was others.........um, Guyking, danguard V, and this one guy who split into three different modules. Can't remember the name.

WOW! Never thought of those! Nicely done.

secretcode
2009-03-24, 03:25 PM
Death by tits... That's how I want to go out.

I'm tempted to buy something from the line, but everything I see from it is so damn expensive.

Cliffjumper
2009-03-24, 07:10 PM
I dunno, you want a toy robot done properly, you have to pay the money. Ideon costs ~$200 because it's simply the best robot toy ever made. Transformers are cheap because, by and large, they're shit. The price of things like SoC means the designers don't have to compromise on materials, detail, proper arms, stuff like that. Voltes V is worth a look and probably won't cost much more than a Takara 'Masterpiece'.

secretcode
2009-03-24, 07:33 PM
I understand that, but it's getting the money that's the problem. Most of the ones I've seen look awesome.

Knightdramon
2009-03-25, 01:46 PM
BBTS has a sale at the moment, some of the newer ones can be aquired for cheap. Got myself another SPEC Eva, and will get Jeeg later on.

Rattrap's tail
2009-04-02, 01:49 PM
BBTS has a sale at the moment, some of the newer ones can be aquired for cheap. Got myself another SPEC Eva, and will get Jeeg later on.

I heard JEEG has Problems with Stability and Poseability due to his Magnets.

Ackula
2009-04-02, 02:47 PM
I dunno, you want a toy robot done properly, you have to pay the money. Ideon costs ~$200 because it's simply the best robot toy ever made. Transformers are cheap because, by and large, they're shit. The price of things like SoC means the designers don't have to compromise on materials, detail, proper arms, stuff like that. Voltes V is worth a look and probably won't cost much more than a Takara 'Masterpiece'.

I don't know man, I respect your opinion, but I'm really glad Transformers don't cost $200. I understand the concept of a superior collectible versus a child's toy, but I personally would never be able to afford such a collectible, ironically because I am a parent for the most part. And as a parent I come in contact with a pretty wide range of toys from lots of manufacturers, and honestly Transformer toys are not that shitty in comparison to most toys out there.

I am glad that Hasbro are able to keep the price down on their figures so that I can actually have a shot at owning them. Don't get me wrong, if I had nothing else to spend money on other than myself, I'd probably be more inclined to spend $100+ on a collectible. I still can't really say I would though in all honesty, there are always things that I need more than things I want, and the things I need tend to cost more.

Cliffjumper
2009-04-13, 12:35 PM
I'm glad there are cheaper alternatives out there for people, don't get me wrong. I'm more referring to collector-orientated stuff like Masterpiece or Binaltech.

Rattrap's tail
2009-04-17, 02:27 AM
Well, apart from Grimlock and OP, I think that the other Masterpieces are pretty much Shitpieces compared to SOC's that cost the same. I am sorry to say it (no offense) but if I look at Megs, I see a flimsy,top-heavy guy. If I look at say a "normal" SOC EVA UNIT-01 I see a collectors item that's pretty flimsy too(due to those trillions of accesoires...) but also a figure that doesn't suffer from overweight due to a Scope with a Red LED that try's to be a cannon, which makes it at least poseable without too many problems. Am I right, or am I wrong????

On a really other piece of topic, I would like to see a SOC-SPEC Gurren-Lagann.

Cliffjumper
2009-08-20, 11:11 PM
Sar got me Soc Getter Poseidon for my birthday - he's super-awesome with jam =)

http://www.nippofan-magazine.it/nippofan/toys/immagini/GetterPoseidon_1.JPG

Weighs a ton, and doesn't do much beyond look cool. But boy, does he do that well. I'm so tempted to get the other two, even though I don't like them...

Knightdramon
2009-08-21, 01:40 AM
I'm holding out for the getter dragon mass production ver. that's coming out this fall, probably this paves the road for the rest of the getter bots getting released\redesigned.

Got the super expensive Dyugengar\Aussenteiser set this past week for a bargain price, not too bad but much less "toy-ish" than the rest of my SOCs. Dyugengar has like a dozen sharp points you can really pierce yourself on, and whilst the horse-bot is an awesome example of a bulky, sturdy die-cast marvel, his horse mode leaves a lot to be desired. Both are somewhat undersized, they're a tad smaller than Tetsujin 28, and he's one of my smallest SOCs.

It's a trend though, all the newest SOCs get a hefty -40/50% off within months of release.

Oh, if you haven't got it yet, that robot damashi Turn -X...also on clearance. Meant to pm you about it days ago.

Cliffjumper
2009-08-21, 09:03 AM
Oooh, might have to get the Turn X in preparation... Though I'll need to drum up some funds first :o

http://www.betatoys.com/uploaded/soc-gx33.jpg

Though my SoC Leopaldon turned up this morning (after a very frustrating transaction... I paid about 10 days ago, received a dispatch notification on Wednesday with an invalid tracking number, had no word from the seller and it lands today having dispatched about a week ago with a totally different number), which frees up my Popy version for raising funds. The SoC is maybe a little smaller than I expected (shame that so much emphasis is put on a bog-standard Spider-Man figure - I know Spider-Man was the real star of the series, but it's a shame no-one went "People can get a Spider-Man toy anywhere, let's make the robot bigger instead"), but still really rather good - very poseable for a blocky design. The arms are maybe a bit of a cheat, but I'm chuffed with him.

Cliffjumper
2009-08-29, 05:33 PM
And now Zambot 3: -

http://www.nippofan-magazine.it/nippofan/toys/immagini/Zambot-GRUPPO1.JPG


A little bit like Combattler in places - the combined form us a bit dicey around the legs - but the design is miles better. Not quite on the same level as the later Voltes/Ideon combiners, being very reliant on swapping parts in and out, but still drop-dead gorgeous. Zambo Ace is good enough to be a figure in his own right.

Knightdramon
2009-08-30, 12:41 AM
Glad to see you're still pursuing the toyline ;)

I'm definitely holding out for future releases, but would never say no to some old ones. Still trying to find a decently priced Gold Lightan and Dancougar.

Strangely enough, I'm seeing the only one I don't want [Combatter V] for around 50 USD shipped...

Cliffjumper
2009-09-01, 08:47 PM
Combattler might be worth a punt at that - the new one doesn't seem to have any massive changes, and he looks alright with Voltes and Daimos... but yeh, the thing's very, very flawed - there's a clear development arc in terms of engineering from Combattler to Zambot to Voltes to Ideon as they learn things. Dancougar's early release (and price!) is putting me off him a bit, TBH, just because the early Combattler shows that the line got off to a bit of a slow start... When you think about it, some of the figures are ten years old now.

Got Gold Lightan today, and he's awesome fun. The only slight problems are with the material - 1) he gets marks all over him if you handle him and 2) gold-plated balls for the fists to attach to are great for looks, but it is actually quite hard to pop the hands on and off. But he comes in a presentation box! That's awesome. Just bear in mind that he is only about 5" tall...

Clay
2009-09-17, 02:18 PM
What is Chogokin, anyway? I was looking at this thing (http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN932997), which seems to be epically expensive and long-gone, but it seems to come with bows and arrows as well as swords and stuff.

Is Chogokin a tv show in Japan or something? I really don't know.

Cliffjumper
2009-09-17, 02:33 PM
Chogokin was the catch-all name for Popy's line of diecast robots (er, think similar to Revoltech now - robots from all sorts of different series under an overall banner), starting with Mazinger Z and properly running until about 1983; the label's since been revived occasionally for things like the Super Sentai robots and the Kadoh Senshi Gundam figures, as well as the odd Super Robot show like Aquarion or God Raideen.

It was really the first of its' kind, and led to a ton of imitations from Clover, Takatoku, Nomura and even Takara - Diaclone started off as a cheapo non-licensed way of doing Super Robots until they hopped on the Kanzen Henkei bandwagon with the Car Robot figures. It was also an innovator in stuff like ongoing serial codes for the figures, and (sadly) black repaints.

The name itself is the space-age material Mazinger Z's made of in the cartoon, roughly meaning "super alloy" - Chogokin figures always have a fairly decent diecast content (but beyond that can be anything from Robocon (http://www.toyboxdx.com/datafiles/data/popy_data/ga/ga14.htm) to ZZ-Gundam (http://counter-x.net/gundam/chogokin/msz010_zz-gundam/index.html), with a lot inbetween).

Selected figures formed the bulk of the American Shogun Warriors and Godaikin lines.



...read my site, dammit! Or at least ToyboxDX's line overview (http://www.toyboxdx.com/datafiles/data/popy_data/popy_index.htm).


Soul of Chogokin is basically an updating making the most of the popular super-robots of the period with modern tech and an eye on the collectors' market (though it features a number of robots that weren't originally Chogokin, like Ideon [Tomy], Zambot-3 [Clover], Black Ox, Baifanku [Machine Robo] - I believe licensing rights for the figures are generally sorted via the animation companies who devised or co-devised them, so Bandai's ties with Sunrise and Ashii get them some stuff it didn't at the same time; on the other hand they seem to have lost several, such as Gardian and maybe Golion/Dairugger).

Clay
2009-09-19, 12:58 AM
...read my site, dammit! Or at least ToyboxDX's line overview (http://www.toyboxdx.com/datafiles/data/popy_data/popy_index.htm).

Soul of Chogokin is basically an updating making the most of the popular super-robots of the period with modern tech and an eye on the collectors' market (though it features a number of robots that weren't originally Chogokin, like Ideon [Tomy], Zambot-3 [Clover], Black Ox, Baifanku [Machine Robo] - I believe licensing rights for the figures are generally sorted via the animation companies who devised or co-devised them, so Bandai's ties with Sunrise and Ashii get them some stuff it didn't at the same time; on the other hand they seem to have lost several, such as Gardian and maybe Golion/Dairugger).

OK, so my current understanding is this:

Chogokin = line of super robot toys by Popy in Japan; catch-all brand containing some originals and some optioned merchandise from models owned by animation companies. Late 1970s/early 1980s

GoDaiKin = Bandai, Popy's parent, attempts to market Chogokin in United States and elsewhere, mostly unsuccessfully due to high cost and not having the rights to the models to commission a new show/commercial. Early 1980s.

Bandai later reabsorbs Popy.

Soul of Chogokin = Bandai's line of remakes two decades later, with some new additions from lines and missing some originals. 2000s.

Is that about right? The only original figure that I'm at all familiar with is GoLion by way of Voltron. None of the other Japanese shows or robots mentioned ring familiar.

Rattrap's tail
2009-10-14, 06:26 PM
Go to CollectionDX and search for Chogokin. You'll find whatever robot you want to find. Not only stuff Cliffjumper mentioned but also stuff like Voltron and Golion. In fact, it's worth checking out for almost every robot toy, since they cover anything except for Bionicle...

Sunstreaker2
2009-10-16, 10:45 PM
Screw GoLion.

I want Dairugger XV.

Cliffjumper
2009-10-17, 02:18 PM
Bandai might not be able to get the rights for either - I've heard it mentioned on a couple of boards that Toei might have sold the rights to WEP for Voltron lock, stock and barrel, as Dairugger and (especially) Golion were disasters in Japan and they had no further use for them (hence that nasty Masterpiece Voltron being made by Toynami). Of course, it's difficult to gauge because both were so unpopular in Japan they might not get near the Soul of Chogokin series anyway (like the way, say, Laserion or Vavilos aren't likely to feature).

Belated note to Clay - yeh, you've got it :)

Knightdramon
2009-10-18, 12:09 PM
Actually, the most recent Big-O was not popular at all in Japan and made it into the series...I'd say it's mostly random coupled with poll options. Of course it makes more sense to release, say, Getter Robo than an obscure third tier mecha into the line [just wish TF fans would understand this for the MP line].

...And the toynami Voltron ain't THAT bad [provided you get a plastic version and keep it on a different shelf from the SOCs so the difference in quality is not apparent] :lol:

Cliffjumper
2009-10-18, 12:24 PM
It's more the... spikeyness of it, which is a weird one as the Voltrons are incredibly boxy on screen... but then I really dislike Golion/Lion Voltron - the only reason the original toy is palatable to me is because it's a big boxy eighties robot.

You're right in the choices being a bit random... I always gathered that the 1980s Tetsujin 28 was a similar flop only really remembered for the Chokinzoku toy, but the SoC seems to have done alright.

The biggest problem is that Dairugger XV would be insanely complex if done to the same standards as the rest of the line, and would probably cost an absolute fortune...