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zigzagger
2009-11-16, 07:41 PM
Introducing the "all new" Transformers ongoing, with story by Mike Costa (G.I. Joe: Cobra) and art by Don Figueroa.

This is your all purpose Transformers #1 reaction and discussion thread. Come share with us.

Scheduled for November 18th.

Preview pages @ previewsworld.com (http://www.previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=216&ai=88936&ssd=).

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Also, three more spoiler pages @ comicbookresources.com (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23587). If you haven’t seen them already, be warned.

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Auntie Slag
2009-11-16, 08:44 PM
Blimey, that must be half the comic! Looks like good fun to me, the art is nice. I particularly like the Breakdown in the Sunstreaker/Sideswipe mould, as well as the fact that they went to the trouble of thinking up someone like Breakdown to be the first Decepticon to appear.

Wonder if it'll last 332 issues?

And an Autobot protecting a Decepticon, whilst probably not new, is still really nice to see. I'm sure Prowl'll get shot in the ear for his troubles but it's all in good fun.

Good to see Ironhide finally getting killed too. Bye you rusty old rather boring character, you.Should've died in Target: 2006.:wave:

Halfshell
2009-11-16, 11:23 PM
I think I've said all I really can on the subject of the ongoing.

If I stay in this thread just to throw abuse and bile at people who think it's good, that's trolling, isn't it?

What if I read it in Forbidden Planet? I'll be qualified to spit venom at all and sundry then, won't I?

andersonh1
2009-11-17, 01:18 AM
I like the art, and I like the genuine threat level of the humans, at least against a random Transformer here and there. What I need to know is why the Autobots are hanging around on Earth, and why Prowl does something that I'd normally expect just about anyone other than him to do. Breaking cover is a little rash and impulsive for logical Prowl, but it is interesting that he's trying to help a Decepticon, so I'm curious about the rest of situation.

And they had to kill off Ironhide, didn't they? :down:

Commander Shockwav
2009-11-18, 10:17 PM
Actually, not a bad start.

As an introductory issue, it accomplishes in 22 pages what AHM couldn't accomplish in six issues. It sets the tone and premise for the new direction the story will take, not beating around the bush.

Where do we stand? The war is over. The Decepticons (save a few scattered 'third-stringers) have left. The humans have figured out a way to take down the Transformers, forcing them into hiding. And of course, Ironhide is dead, after which Optimus Prime rescinds his leadership role (thankfully, not by committing suicide for sacrificing virtual reality lives in a video game).

Not much in the way of characterization, but then, most first issues just lay down the foundation, which I think this one does a nice job of.

What's promising? Costa isn't going to shy away from using lesser known bots, which is nice. We see Breakdown and Streetwise. Even Windcharger gets a mention. And of course, Don's work is again a thing of beauty. I didn't find the mouths of the bots to be as distracting as others. I think Don's ability to draw action and fights scenes more than makes up for any of the facial shortcomings that might be present.

What's concerning? Well, Prime comes off as a bit of a wuss, doesn't he? Just kind of throws his hands in the air and gives up. I mean, I understand where the frustration comes from in losing his close friend. But maybe doing this later in the series would have more of an impact. Again, I think it's more a tactic to set this new direction up. I personally am glad Prime is out of the way (again), as it always gives other bots a time to shine.

All in all, I'd say a good start. Nothing earth-shattering, but at least this time, unlike with AHM, things happen.

The question will be "Will we care?"

andersonh1
2009-11-18, 10:53 PM
Seems to me I've seen your review elsewhere... :)


Issue #1

Where to begin? Just about half the book has been made available online in the past few weeks, including the death of Ironhide, so thereís very little thatís unexpected in this first issue. Even the ending is one of those ďI saw it comingĒ type twists. Not that it isnít effective, and where the story goes from here is hard to predict, so in that sense itís successful as a cliffhanger. But I wonder if IDW let too much of the story out before the issue itself was available, reducing anticipation and limiting the surprise factor. Enough pieces of the puzzle were made available that it became possible to guess how the rest of the issue would play out, and indeed it wasnít all that different from what I had imagined would happen.

After a brief summary of events, the issue begins at a point two years after the finale of ďAll Hail MegatronĒ, which leaves time for much of the destruction caused by the Decepticons in that story to be cleaned up and repaired. For reasons that are still not entirely clear, the Autobots have not only remained in hiding on Earth during that time, but have built up their forces. The humans donít want them, and have developed very effective weaponry to combat any Transformer they find, Autobot or Decepticon. Prime apparently believes that the Autobot presence is necessary in case the Decepticons return, a point of view with which Hot Rod disagrees vehemently. Given what happens during the story, Iíd have to agree with Hot Rodís point of view. Thereís no real reason for the Autobots to be on Earth at this point. Meaning that everything that happens during this issue was unnecessary, rendering Primeís poor judgment doubly tragic.

One of the things I donít care for is the return of the old doubtful Optimus Prime, who is unsure of himself and his decisions. This characterization hearkens back to the old Marvel comics days where Prime constantly questioned his decisions and seemed at times unwilling to take decisive action. It may be that Hot Rodís accusations hit home, and that the death of Ironhide hits really hard, but Iíve always preferred to see Prime portrayed as a confident leader, one who could realistically and believably inspire his troops. However, his decision to resign and to surrender to the humans is very interesting, and potentially very unwise given what happened to Sunstreaker at the hands of the Machination, and given how the humans have clearly been reverse-engineering Transformer technology for their own defense. Prime could turn out to be the latest resource in the human war against Transformers.

But resigning may well have been exactly the right thing to do. Clearly while Prime badly underestimates his human opponents, Spike has the measure of his. Heís either aware or gambles that the threat of death to Breakdown would draw out any hidden Transformers in the area. Spike outmaneuvers Prime and captures Prowl, who is then used as bait to draw in a rescue team. And incidentally, Iíve defended Prowlís laudable respect for life that leads him to defend even a Decepticon, but as the logical tactician of the group he really should have seen this coming. His response is not typical of Prowl at all, and I may be forced to concede that it is indeed a case of bad characterization. However, the reveal that Streetwise was there with him is a nice surprise.

The art is excellent, as Iíve come to expect from Don Figeroa. There has been a lot of complaining about the new style, particularly the faces, but Iíve decided that I prefer the new look even to Donís work from Dreamwave and earlier IDW stories. I really like the detail heís put into the faces and joints of the robots. The colors are bright and almost cartoony in some cases, which is quite a contrast with the tone of the story itself.

So whatís the bottom line? Prime and Prowl mess up, Ironhide is killed during the rescue attempt, and Prime resigns as leader and surrenders to the humans. One would be hard pressed to argue that the pace of this issue is decompressed in any way. A lot happens and happens quickly, and that may be just what the series needs. I donít entirely agree with the portrayal of some of the characters, or agree that they should even be where they are, but despite that the story successfully depicts a group of Autobots who donít really know what to do now that the war is over and they are on the losing end. In searching for a purpose, they end up making things worse for themselves. Iím curious to see where things go from here. I canít say Iím 100% enthused about the new direction, but I did enjoy it and I am interested in the story, so thatís enough to keep me reading.

Commander Shockwav
2009-11-19, 11:34 PM
One would be hard pressed to argue that the pace of this issue is decompressed in any way. A lot happens and happens quickly, and that may be just what the series needs.

Despite some drawbacks, I think the reasons you mention above are the reasons I enjoyed this issue overall. It's been a while since we've had an issue go somewhere, with some meat to it (Roche's work in Coda aside).

andersonh1
2009-11-20, 02:47 AM
Despite some drawbacks, I think the reasons you mention above are the reasons I enjoyed this issue overall. It's been a while since we've had an issue go somewhere, with some meat to it (Roche's work in Coda aside).

I only read All Hail Megatron in trade paperback form (apart from issues 1 and 12) and I thought the pace was good in that format. But it's a nice change to have so much happen in a single comic issue, and things that feel significant.

The Autobots have lost two staunch pillars of support for them and their cause. That's a good springboard to send some of the other characters off in interesting directions. It's just too bad that it's all predicated on Prowl making a very out of character blunder. Still, it's the first issue and I think Costa deserves some slack while he gets a handle on the characters.

Auntie Slag
2009-11-20, 05:39 PM
Ironhide was a pillar of support?

Actually I quite liked his depiction in All Hail Megatron, if only for the ramblings between Jazz, Prowl & himself. Banter between robots who aren't leaders/Wreckers or Flavour of the month is so rare that I really relish the odd occasion when it is. Cue the minibots in the Sludge portion of 'Dinobot Hunt', or Ravage & Windcharger's off-kilter repartee in 'Raiders of the Last Ark'.

See? Sad that I go back to such old stuff to make a tired point. Ok, IDW's Jazz spotlight I really liked, and um... the Skids/Charlene love thing.

So yeah, Ironhide... wanker.

Ironhide sub-banter with others... really quite nice actually.

If they want to chat I'd much rather they chatted with Wheeljack, Hound or Smokescreen any day.

Red Dave Prime
2009-11-21, 01:36 PM
Straight off, I have to say I loved the double spread page battlescene. Granted its a battle that never happened and is just a splash to show off all the different transformers but the re-designs are fantastic in some cases. I'm still not sold on the faces (altough the characters with masks or visors come across much better) but there are some brilliant models in that pick. Ravage, Lazerbeak, Grimlock and Devastator all looked great. Pity that 3 of that 4 are story wise out of commission (altough I'm sure they'll show up anyway)

The art overall is great. Get past the face problem and its clear, dynamic and serves the story.

The set-up also works as something different. Theres a clear feeling that the autobots arent an army anymore, more of a left-over A-team of sorts. Wether any of us long term readers buy into the war ending with Megatrons "death" in AHM, but it isnt too hard too follow the idea that the decepticons decimated the autobots only to lose their head commander and degenerate into a mass of seperate, self-serving factions. Granted I'm assuming a lot there but its believeable.

The humans as aggressors also is a nice twist. This isnt just some mysterious goverment side project - ALL humanity would appear to be on gaurd against the transformers and welcome the skywatch forces.

And while the practicality of the mech suits may be questioned, we're dealing with a fiction of living giant robots so I can see that the humans in mech suits will allow for more dramatic moments. Spike can go one on one with Prowl lets say.

Some have also had a problem with the scene where Iron hide eats a massive blast in his chest but Hot-rod mearly gets a few peppered shots to his torso in the next panel. Reading it now, I'm fairly certain that its not a tank that Hot rods picked up but the Turret cannon that shot Ironhide (mounted on a tank). Makes a bit more sense in my head if I see it thta way. Anyway, So far so good.

The issue itself reads well enough, if a tad rushed. But it still falls into the IDW of having a good idea but not looking to how it could maybe be told in a more sensible manner. Primes crisis of confidence is a fine, if over-used idea. But the set-up could have worked better. He just sees another casualty and walks. For me, it could have gone something like this: Instead have Prime trying to console Hot Rod over losing another man under his command (bearing in mind Hot-rods original spotlight) only to have Hot-rod publicly lay as much blame an prime as himself for keeping the autobots in such a dangerous and pointless position. When no autobot jumps to primes defence prime could realise that he has lost the confidence of his troops which was his main strength as a leader. Then his depature would make a bit more sense. As it is, it just feels like he walks out and no-one seems too troubled by his deceision.

Equally the set-up to get Prowl as bait doesnt work. By accounts, Skywatch already have Gears and windcharger captured - why not just flaunt them for rescue? Some have questioned Prowls reaction but I dont see it as him saving a decepticon, more worrying that if the autobots do it to a con, they will likewise do it to an autobot. Its not too much of a jump that he would stand up. However, Prowl starts off in New york but manages to be nearby when Breakdown makes his move in Milan, New Mexico - and Spike was planning on this?

Overall, I got a kick out of this, and will be tunning in for issue 2 but the above bothers me. The direction is fine but a little more thinking in the set-ups might result in a better comic. And I feel that acknowledging whats happened to a previous character (in this case Hot-Rod) would benefit the story without taking away from it, while not alienating new readers.

andersonh1
2009-11-21, 04:47 PM
Ironhide was a pillar of support?

In a morale sort of way, sure. Unless I'm conflating continuities here, Ironhide's always been the older guy who is liked by just about everyone and who has been around forever. The others look up to him. The same is true of Prime. Now they're both gone.

Terome
2009-11-21, 10:24 PM
Read this in the shop today expecting it to be horrendously awful and was quite surprised that it was a fairly decent comic. I seem to be immune to the lash against Don's New Faces that is going around lately, but this was not a bad opening issue on its own terms. I thought the Prowl action was off kilter and that someone should really have twigged by now that Hot Rod is a dangerous idiot, but if seen from the point of view of a fresh start, I am intrigued.

Didn't buy it though. I bought Joe Daly's Red Monkey collection instead because it is better drawn, better written and is a lot funnier. But I thought it was significant that I had very few complaints.

Dreadwing
2009-11-25, 08:39 PM
Well thats bizarre, an issue of Transformers that people dont despise.

I liked it, mostly.

My biggest complaint is that the decepticons have apparantly been sidelined entirely. While we see what has happened to the autobots, I would also like to see what the decepticons are doing now that they have won (yes i know that was supposed to be AHM but we all saw what happened there). I dont like the idea of a years worth of storyline revolving around Prime and Spike, with a random decepticon in one pannel.

Looking forward more to Roches Wreckers books.

MeGrimlock
2009-12-02, 09:36 AM
Hmm, I'm perplexed.

Optimus wants to stay on Earth because the Decepticons could return. Why could they return? No explanation. Why Earth? Couldn't they return on ANY of the countless planets they devastated in all these millennia? Or we're back to the old Sunbow cartoon, where only Cybertron and Earth existed in the galaxy? (Not true, that cartoon had MORE planets than this comic).
And I thought that someone said the Decepticons were defeated.

I'm not saying that the writers will not explain these "mysteries" in the next issues, but right now this entire story feels heavily contrived: Optimus is the cause of his own disgrace, because he insists to remain on Earth even if he has no real reason to do so. Looks like pretty obtuse a behavior, for the greatest Autobot military leader. ("Let's stay here, I have a feeling that the writers are working on something that I cannot possibly know, but I'm sure it will happen and we need to be here for that.")

I got the feeling that the writers were just in a hurry to remove Optimus Prime from the scene and turn the humans into a real danger to the Autobots... wait, is this Infiltration/Escalation reloaded?

MeGrimlock
2009-12-02, 12:38 PM
And what with Prowl's sudden dumbness? He wasn't able to predict that the whole business was a Skywatch's trap? Very naive, from such a cold and logic calculator...
And since when does he care so much for a single Decepticon life, after his cynical approach described by the excellent comic written and drawn by Nick Roche?

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-02, 02:20 PM
Hmm, I'm perplexed.

Optimus wants to stay on Earth because the Decepticons could return. Why could they return? No explanation. Why Earth?

I'm not saying that the writers will not explain these "mysteries" in the next issues...


Apparently, we will be finding out the real reason shortly. I don't think Costa would give us that dumb of an explanation for why Prime is so fixed on staying on Earth.

MeGrimlock
2009-12-02, 02:31 PM
I have the same expectations: trouble is, in this issue I could find is no hint that there's something more to that. I got the feeling that the writer was still improvising. I'm not sure I can explain that, but I was hoping for dialogues that gave a vague idea of something hidden or kept secret in this situation.
Instead, we have a emo-Optimus who cannot explain his reasons, cannot come up with a reasonable excuse and ends up with a sort of breakdown that makes him surrender (probably a ploy to get to Spike and start talking?)

Heinrad
2009-12-02, 03:50 PM
If Megs got taken down by Spike at the end of AHM, Prime may have seen staying on Earth as a way to help protect it from the inevitable backlash.

Of course, with Screamer in charge, he may not really need to worry about said backlash......

MeGrimlock
2009-12-02, 04:06 PM
And the 'cons are supposed to be defeated (I can't imagine why, since the Autobots just defeated the Earth-bound Decepticons, and not all the other groups that defeated all the other Autobots posts in the galaxy, as dialogues in AHM explained without showing these events).
Well, ultimately I don't really care about this comic: probably this is the reason why I am not able to move over these minor issues.

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-03, 11:30 PM
I have the same expectations: trouble is, in this issue I could find is no hint that there's something more to that. I got the feeling that the writer was still improvising. I'm not sure I can explain that, but I was hoping for dialogues that gave a vague idea of something hidden or kept secret in this situation.

I'm getting this from the creators, can't remember if it was Costa or Schmidt, but they verified that there is a reason why Earth is so crucial and that it will be revealed later why the Autobots have to stay there.

MeGrimlock
2009-12-04, 08:00 AM
I wonder if Optimus Prime knows this reasons and tries to keep it hidden with lame lies.
The other Autobots do not seem to be aware of this reason (otherwise, they would not question Optimus about his choice to remain on Earth). Weird thing is that they do not point out that Optimus' excuses are incredibly weak.

Hm. I think I'm turning into a troll.

inflatable dalek
2009-12-04, 11:35 PM
Well, that was firmly OK. The art mostly works OK, most of the script is OK. Overall it's as OK as it's possible to be without being a daytime soap opera.

There are some worrying bits however. The basic setup is exactly how it was back in Infiltration, we've taken four years to wind up back on square one except it's more stupid. The Autobots aren't just hiding amongst us, they're actually pretending to be our cars? Wtf? Is this a RID comic?

Prowl's moment is insanely out of character with how he was portrayed just a few months ago as well. Remember how back when the AHM debarcle started we were told inter series continuity was entirely down to the editors rather than the writers? Well the letter's page makes a great fuss it takes three people to edit the TF range. Three people to screw up a simple thing like having a character behave consistantly from issue to issue. Why not do this with Mirage in keeping with his prior behaviour? Or Streetwise who's basically a blank slate as far as the IDWverse is concerned? Why bugger about with Prowl but leave Spike such a complete cock?

Plus you've got the problem of the Autobots being on Earth still makes no sense. Fair enough, everyone points this out to Prime. But everyone seems to think the war is over and they should just be kicking about and relaxing. Rather than, say, dealing with the fact the Decepticons have actually won the war in the galaxy killed all the Autobots in space (bar the Throtlebots. And Metroplex. And the Trion crew. And Omega Supreme. And Hot Rod. And Streetwise) and are now plotting to take over creation.

Red Dave Prime
2009-12-05, 03:54 AM
Plus you've got the problem of the Autobots being on Earth still makes no sense. Fair enough, everyone points this out to Prime. But everyone seems to think the war is over and they should just be kicking about and relaxing. Rather than, say, dealing with the fact the Decepticons have actually won the war in the galaxy killed all the Autobots in space (bar the Throtlebots. And Metroplex. And the Trion crew. And Omega Supreme. And Hot Rod. And Streetwise) and are now plotting to take over creation

Very true, but I got the feeling from the coda series that the decepticons are in disaray with no figurehead (at least 3 were brought up in starscreams coda - starscream himself, rampage and soundwave) In the course of 3 years its easy to imagine how the cons have pulled themselves apart to the point were the only threat they pose is to themselves. Worse case scenario (and this is IDW here) is that the decepticons are shown to have made no advancement either way. But maybe IDW will try something new with the scenario. I think its fair to say that most transformer fans are tired of starscream plotting to be leader. Even taking sunbow and marvels works out of the equation IDW have run that story twice (infiltration & AHM) I'd be very impressed if IDWs new decepticons turn out to be lead by Rampage with maybe soundwave as a background defector. With the durability of IDW bots it wouldnt be too out of place to have Soundwave keeping megs in cold storage to one day lead again, even maybe as a puppet leader (ala kup and prowls relationship - well at least in the coda series)

For whats its worth, If they can keep everything coherent from here on out, I can forgive the odd change in character - altough prowls was very poorly done and as stated above could have been achieved with numerous other characters. Another case for me of IDW hitting a good general idea but not taking 10 minutes to think it through.

inflatable dalek
2009-12-05, 01:26 PM
If the Decepticons are supposed to have performed an epic own goal and snatched defeat from total victory because they're been a bit of a leadership spat despite the total lack of opposition the Coda issues should have been better used to convey it. It's something that might happen from after the end of the Starscream story, but even if the Decepticons did break up into smaller in fighting factions that would still leave the Autobots with lots of different enemies to fight instead of just one.

It's not even breaking the "Show, don't tell" rule as we're not being told, we're having to infer.

What odds the volcano the Autobots' secret base is under (woot, that's a difference from Inflitration! They're no longer under a lake) being Mount St. Helen's?

Oh, and considering the recent interview with the editorially incompetent Schmidt ("No really, mixing up the Machination and Skywatch was a cunning deliberate plan rather than me having sawdust for brains") where he went to great pains to say that the people who don't like IDW's current stuff are a very, very small minority and they've got some secret super method of telling there are billions of fans who love the new direction... Why bother giving over part of the letter's page to "No really, we're not ignoring any past continuity on purpose at all, honest. Please still love us", just to try and appease that minority?

Though of course, the Skywatch thing would have to count as "On purpose".

I have to say I'm annoyed I've read the preview for issue 2, as the shitness of the opening page has retroactively killed my slightly building enthusiasm once more.

zigzagger
2009-12-08, 01:21 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers #2 reaction and discussion thread. Come share with us.

Scheduled for December 9th.

Preview pages @ newsarama.com (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=32253).

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andersonh1
2009-12-10, 12:33 AM
Nice. A definite improvement on the already good first issue. Weíre moving away from the setup/establishment phase and into different stories as various characters choose the direction they want to go. I like where Costa is taking the characters.

With Prime gone, the Autobots have to choose a new leader. In a military unit, Iíd have expected the second in command to step up and take the job, but I guess thatís not the way things work in the Autobot military. About half the group want to remain on Earth, while the other half, who follow Hot Rodís example, want to blow the joint and go anywhere but Earth. Problem is, the only way they can leave is if Omega Supreme takes them, and he wonít go without Prime.

We get to see a few other Decepticons who are still on Earth, with Scrapper and Swindle among them. They attack the Autobots on sight, and the Autobots return fire, but ultimately the battle ends when Hot Rod and Swindle decide that with the war over, thereís no reason to fight. They all just want to leave Earth and go home, or whatever the equivalent is with Cybertron out of the picture. Plot wise, this could be a very interesting direction to go. Iíve often wondered just how certain militant Transformers could possibly adjust to peacetime, and if Costa actually takes some time to explore that type of situation, then Iím all for it. Weíve never really seen the Transformers post-war. Thereís a lot of potential here.

Continuity looks good to me, though Iím sure the nitpickers will find plenty of faults somewhere. They always do. Cybertron is still uninhabitable so itís not an option as a place to settle, Omega Supreme is still on Earth, Scavenger wants revenge on Omega Supreme (presumably after the events of AHM #12), Ultra Magnus still considers himself the enforcer of the Tyrest AccordsÖ though with the war over, should the accords still apply? Prowl gives a bit of a justification for his defense of Breakdown last issue. And so on. A number of little details like that jumped out at me during my initial reading of the issue. I get so tired of reading ďAHM isnít in continuityĒ complaints, so I hope we donít go through that all over again with the ongoing. It seems very apparent to me that attempts are being made to very visibly remain true to all thatís come before this story, so I have to applaud Costa for that.

And in the end, who gets voted leader of the group remaining on Earth? In any other continuity, it wouldnít be believable, but here itís entirely possible that Bumblebee is known and trusted to the point that heíd win such a contest. Hey, the US elected a senator with a paper thin record and no executive experience to the Presidency last November, so why wouldn't the Autobots elect a spy to be their leader? The Autobots at least know Bumblebee and know what heís capable of, so heís not entirely a shot in the dark. That being the case, itís yet another interesting twist to throw at the reader. Itís not just a cliffhanger, itís potentially a major bit of development for the character of Bumblebee, and thatís always welcome.

I have to end with Spike, the major who knows there are good and bad Transformers out there but doesnít care. The guy who expects a counterattack after the capture of Prowl, and yet leaves his troops to deal with it on their own while heís picking up chicks with his alien car. The guy who looks like he is indeed going to suffer some consequences for his irresponsible actions.

Making the main human character in a Transformers comic the very opposite of likable and heroic is an unusual choice. This is not good old familiar Spike; this is a jerk who I really donít like. Heís also potentially far more interesting and has plenty of room for growth, if Costa chooses to take the character somewhere.

In the end, this issue leaves me wanting to know what happens next. Thatís the type of feeling Iíd like to have after just about any issue that I read. Iím calling it a success.

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-10, 02:58 AM
Having a TF comic that takes longer than a minute to read is certainly a welcome change. That's the first sign that something positive is happening here.

But there are other signs as well. This second issue further sets the stage for things to come, which IMO, look to be entertaining. There's something very "UK Marvel" about all of this, which I think is a good thing.

I think what lends itself to feeling like one of the fun UK Marvel romps of times past are two main elements. Already we are seeing an Bot/Con alliance shaping up. Very Furman UK. And secondly, the dialogue. It certainly has it's lighthearted moments, which I admit, brought a smile to my face. Been a while since that happened.

Loving the focus on character and character interaction here. It's going to be key in making this ongoing worth it to me.

On top of that, of course, is Don's fabulous work. Say what you will about the faces, I'm digging this new style. I think it lends itself to creating an overall more serious tone, a far departure from that old cartoony feel that has been done to death. Trying something new is always a risk, but then, it's the taking of those risks creatively that can lead to better and brighter things.

Some things were annoying, like calling Octane "Tankor" and Bluestreak "Silverstreak" for the sake of the toy. No doubt Hasbro mandate. Minor quibble, so I'll let it slide. And of course, the humans continue to have little appeal. Does Bumblebee as leader make sense? Hmmm. Not sure, but given the departure of so many other more worthy bots, it might not be so far-fetched a selection. No doubt this is what the Bumblebee mini will hit on.

All in all, I'm digging this. Best stuff since Roche's spotlights. Give it a "B+". Looking forward to how the whole Magnus thing plays out.

inflatable dalek
2009-12-10, 09:47 AM
Continuity looks good to me, though I’m sure the nitpickers will find plenty of faults somewhere.

Have no fear, the first page of the preview is so insanely mind blowingly stupid it'll take a super effort to read anything beyond that.

And most people's complaints about AHM wasn't that it wasn't in continuity, but that it used continuity badly. Which isn't the same thing.

EDIT @ SHockwav: Am I reading that right and they call Bluestreak Sliverstreak? Seriously? Even though he's already appeared under the old name back in Blaster? If so, I'd say randomly renaming a character without a in-fiction explanation counts as more than a minor continuity thing surely? I wonder why the other out-of-copyright-for-toys names are still in use?

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-10, 06:18 PM
Have no fear, the first page of the preview is so insanely mind blowingly stupid it'll take a super effort to read anything beyond that.


If it's any consolation, that first page is the low point of the issue.

And yes, you read it right. Silverstreak. The only reason I can think of why they might have used it was as a marketing effort for the toy.

Brimstone
2009-12-10, 07:32 PM
My local comic store told me "next week" for this book. Looks like everyone else got it though.

What a load of crap. They've been telling me "next week" for a month now, too, for Classic GI Joe #6.

Red Dave Prime
2009-12-10, 09:21 PM
Its still positive. But Some things irk. Bumblebees election doesnt make sense. In the last AHM coda Bumblebee had to be rescued from a bunch of humans - but is now seen as leader material? Cant buy that guys. Prowl following Hot Rod and leaving behind the autobot cause? Definitely cant buy that. Omega Supreme "Hiding" in a canyon in america? er....

BUT!! The overall vibe is good. Really getting to like the art. As I've said before when its a face with a little gimmick like wheeljack or swindle it looks decent. The more mundane faces tend to still blend. The action scene is done well and while hot rod is clearly IDWs wolverine (there is no doubt after this issue) he suits the role (continuity aside)

The dialogue is decent and if you hadnt read previous series and just started with this nothing would jar too much, bar the pace with which prime was removed from the plot. There is a also a decent idea being set-up with the lose of factions of any real meaning. It could lead somewhere new.

Its been a positive 2 issues. If the biggest problem you have is that it doesnt slot exactly into what has come before, you should think about giving it a try (at least read it while in your comic shop :)). Its much more promising and intriguing then AHM and hopefully wont meander into a tangled mess like furmans run.

Auntie Slag
2009-12-11, 03:31 PM
I'm not too crazy on their little glowing blue dots for eyes and the fact that all their faces would make for a great line in fantasy cheese-graters (you missed a trick there Guido, what with it being Christmas an' all. I'd have collected the set).

I'm quite enjoying the story. Quite why anyone would want to follow the turd-on-a-stick that is Hot Rod is beyond me. But then, stacks of them followed Grimlock for a while. Still, don't want to applaud somewhat lazy, cliche'd writing.

Could be worse; Megatron throwing Hound at Sentinel Prime in Megatron:Origin for example. Line, distance and angle seem to curry no favour on Cybertron.

I think Patrick Swayze should cameo and lead them through a combination of Dirty Dancing and Roadhouse-style fighting.

Red Dave Prime
2009-12-11, 04:47 PM
Could be worse; Megatron throwing Hound at Sentinel Prime in Megatron:Origin for example. Line, distance and angle seem to curry no favour on Cybertron.


That fight was easily the worst laid out I have seen... ever! Until you typed that I wasnt sure if it was hound that was thrown. And he looks dead! And As you say, the angle is impossible! And how the hell does megatron got outta the way of Sentinal Primes Blast and up to where Hound is, and disable him in the space of a few seconds.

I could wither on but hey...

Auntie Slag
2009-12-11, 04:54 PM
Not to mention that Sentinel managed to look different in practically every panel!

Starfield
2009-12-11, 05:48 PM
These Autobots must be fans of the Movie franchise. There is no other reason they would elect Bumblebee. Name recognition. They elected the movie star in a popularity contest.

Auntie Slag
2009-12-12, 11:46 AM
There was lots of Bumblebee love in the old comics too. The two-part story 'Plight of the Bumblee' proved that Shockwave knew how important the 'Bee was to the Autobots (as well as being as easy win), and sure enough even prominent dogs like Jetfire were happy to get their asses kicked to protect him.

He probably gets the most presents at Christmas too.

And Prime loves him ('Crisis of Command' story), and he inspires good mate-age (Blaster because he missed Scrounge, Wreck-Gar because he's a tinkerer, Prime because um... Outback was on Cybertron etc).

I guess what I mean is, you'd go to war over Bumblebee, but you'd probably have a half-full audience and polite eulogy for Prowl or Sunstreaker.

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-13, 03:09 AM
Quite why anyone would want to follow the turd-on-a-stick that is Hot Rod is beyond me.

Probably because he actually makes sense.

I mean, let's face it. If I were an Autobot, I'd want to get the hell of Earth at this point too.

It's Prime that seems to be acting illogical thus far.

inflatable dalek
2009-12-13, 03:46 AM
I mean, let's face it. If I were an Autobot, I'd want to get the hell of Earth at this point too.


Ore 13?

Commander Shockwav
2009-12-13, 10:47 PM
Ore 13?

Doesn't exist. Just a pink elephant after AHM.

andersonh1
2009-12-14, 02:04 AM
And most people's complaints about AHM wasn't that it wasn't in continuity, but that it used continuity badly. Which isn't the same thing.

That's fair enough. I suppose what I was thinking of when I wrote that were the people who called McCarthy a liar to his face when, just to pick one example, he described the writing process, and talked about how Sunstreaker was the traitor from very early on in that process. Things of that nature. In other words, not valid criticism of the story itself, but the mindless vitriol and attacks on the author that I hope can be avoided on this new series.

I was concerned that Don's new art style might be the target this time around, but the complaints over that seem to be lessening. We'll see how that plays out.

inflatable dalek
2009-12-14, 08:08 AM
Though calling him a liar to his face is perhaps a bit harsh as there's no way to disprove it wasn't planned all along (calling him out on some of the unsupported claims he made about the inaccuracy of the official sales figures is fair enough though) t's actually much kinder to McCarthy to assume that the Sunstreaker thing was a last minuet change. Because if it wasn't, if it was planned like that right from the start that's an extraordinarily inept bit of plotting. Having your traitor stand around doing nothing for six issues before ramming him into the action in a non subtle way five seconds before his treachery is revealed is just piss poor.

Housewife2000
2009-12-14, 12:02 PM
Just read #1 and #2 back to back and I enjoyed them. The concept, dialogue, plot and execution are all strong, and faces aside, I love the art.

Of course, the continuity is terrible Ė thereís no escaping the fact that the creators are not reading / acknowledging their predecessors or contemporaries work (Ore 13 from Infiltration and Prowlís characterisation from AHM #15 respectively) and thatís pretty shocking.

Spike is very unlikeable, and in terms of military realism heís a joke, but like Andersonh1 Iím hoping that this is the beginning of a more interesting character arc for the character as he gets to know Prime and matures / stands up to his face changing Dad etc.

Bottom line is, by removing both faction leaders and opening up the idea of the Transformers dealing with the end of their war, the direction of the series really interests me, in a way AHM never did.

Lonewyrm
2009-12-14, 02:47 PM
I'm enjoying this so far anyway, I think the effect of having the franchise overhauled so often throughout the years makes me more disposed to just viewing this separately from AHM.

I've a specific question about #2 though, on page 5, bottom panel, who is the bot behind Jazz? I was leaning towards Ultra Magnus, until he was ruled out at the end of the issue. Looks like the nightwatch redeco of movie Prime, but I'm drawing a blank for who it's meant to represent.

Rack 'n Ruin
2009-12-14, 05:18 PM
[QUOTE=Lonewyrm;673828]I've a specific question about #2 though, on page 5, bottom panel, who is the bot behind Jazz? [QUOTE]

Looks like Grimlock to me, but I haven't read the comic in question so he may be a ridiculous suggestion...

Terome
2009-12-14, 07:29 PM
Perused a copy of this and it continues to not be horrible. I much prefer the art of that Chee fellow though.

I can't penetrate the in-universe reason for Bumblebee being nominated as leader over guys like Silverbolt, but it's an interesting new development that is clearly rooted in the fact that this is the Sunbow Bumblebee, not the IDW one.

Strangely, while I was not tempted to entirely agree with the art complaints on the first issue and previews, I caught myself quite taken aback by how bad it all looks here, especially when there's a showy-off, flashy moment like that inexplicable half-page of Cliffjumper pointing to himself about half way through.

Thought the scene with the Decepticons was gold though. Swindle and Hot Rod are exactly the kind of scum who float to the top in real-life situations like these. Hot Rod reminds me of the warlords who carved out territories in Balklands in the 90's and Swindle would be right at home as a minor king during the Crusades.

Ore-13 is definitely the biggest of all the elephants in the room, continuity wise, with the question of Omega's fuel consumption being a plot point, but I guess that's that.

Liking the look of the Bumblebee series and the general feel of this set-up. I'm almost sure that this relaunch is being handled very well, even if it is not really for me.

Red Dave Prime
2009-12-14, 10:00 PM
Isnt it possible that the dead universe bots used up or contaminated the ore 13 supplies? It was the reason they had to use earth anyway. That would at least explain the removal of the best reason for the decepticons to return to earth...

andersonh1
2009-12-15, 01:32 AM
t's actually much kinder to McCarthy to assume that the Sunstreaker thing was a last minuet change. Because if it wasn't, if it was planned like that right from the start that's an extraordinarily inept bit of plotting. Having your traitor stand around doing nothing for six issues before ramming him into the action in a non subtle way five seconds before his treachery is revealed is just piss poor.

I don't really agree, but I don't want to rehash AHM all over again. Let's just hope the new series is more to everyone's liking.

Dreadwing
2009-12-25, 06:17 AM
Ore-13 is definitely the biggest of all the elephants in the room, continuity wise, with the question of Omega's fuel consumption being a plot point, but I guess that's that.

I dont remember the autobots ever useing ore13. They fought thunderwing and Megatron when both were juiced on it. And then the dead universe crew was mining it. Seems to be a vilians only plot device. Since theres no robovilians (only the humans) theres no need to mention it.

or...

The decepticons took it all while they were on earth and it was just another thing that happened off pannel that McCarthy never mentioned.

Or...

Prime may have banned it or just never told any of the current cast of autobots about it.

or...

The reboot may have phased it out. Does continuum mention it anywhere?

or...

The current writer doesnt care.

BeastWars 4ever
2010-01-03, 02:20 AM
I really loved this issue. Both issues so far, actually. Here is my full review: http://tfzonethetransformersblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/transformers-ongoing-2-review.html

zigzagger
2010-01-12, 10:40 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers #3 reaction and discussion thread.

Out January 13.

Preview pages @ newsarama.com (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=32796).

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Auntie Slag
2010-01-12, 10:53 PM
Heh, now Magnus is acting like Robert Stack.(Robert Stack as Elliot Ness I mean).

And Seaspray's design; Tre-mucho mizola Don. Whatta guy. Do hope we see more of S.S. (as I'm sure H.R. would call him).

[Edit]Bugger, Wildrider beat me to it.

Sades
2010-01-12, 11:00 PM
It's been a couple of years (iirc) since I've read anything current comics-wise, so I have no idea what's going on. I'm intrigued.

Commander Shockwav
2010-01-14, 03:51 PM
Another nice issue.

Skimpy on the action side, but on the character-focus side of things, it's exactly what I want to see. Though I will say Jetfire seemed out of sorts.

Loved the Swindle and Blurr moments. Awesome.

Art great, as usual. I wonder if Don made Huffer the ugliest bot I have ever seen on purpose.

Give it a "B". Issue read quick and not much plot progression, but still enjoyed it. Three issues in, things are still looking good to me.

Red Dave Prime
2010-01-14, 08:29 PM
Still not too bad. Theres a few niggles (silly stuff like the electric cage on prime when he really should have been immobilized) but theres also some nice touches. Swindles little wink is nicely drawn and really shows some character. Still reckon that robots with specific facial parts work better then those with the standard face under Dons style. Hoist, Beach Comber, Swindle all look much better then hot-rod, mirage etc.

We also get another human character - and if he doesnt get promoted ahead of spike by his dad, which then leads to Spike seeing the light and helping the autobots I'll be amazed. Reminded me a bit of circut breaker with the power suit and could well be annoying - and not in the intended way.

So, still going well. I was a bit confused by the tagline for the next issue though - didnt everyone see thundercracker in the second issue?

fantomdranzerx
2010-01-16, 12:13 AM
Looks pretty good. I'm really liking Don's new style. His mouths seem to just need some fixing; everything else looks pretty good to me. :)

kupimus aka(clocker)
2010-01-17, 11:45 AM
just read tf 3 and i thought it was ok. i liked that someone actually escaped the humans attack, rather than them all just being captured. i liked it when ultra magnus transformed. i think jetfire doesnt look as good as in stormbringer. i think its his ankles. do you think the deceps hot rods helping will combine into demenacus?

zigzagger
2010-02-23, 03:06 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers #4 Spotlight: Thundercracker reaction and discussion thread.

Out February 24.

Preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1002/23/idwfirsts.htm)

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Commander Shockwav
2010-02-24, 10:54 PM
If ever there were a statement issue to reaffirm my faith in the writing talents of Mike Costa, this is it.

Simply put, this is the most intelligently written TF comic to date since Roche gave us the Kup spotlight. For the past three years, I have been begging IDW to push the envelope that much further, and reach out to the readers who approach life from a bit more of a mature angle than what we are usually given from a toy-based comic. Costa has answered that challenge in spades here.

To start, Thundercracker's internal musings are the perfect example of how to use inner monologue effectively. If I wasn't a fan of TC before, I am now. Costa is able to take that ambiguity of feelings that Thundercracker possesses and that the tech specs and McCarthy practically pushed into our faces, and delves much deeper into TC's pysche to explain what that very ambiguity is based on. Clearly, it's based on an intellect that appreciates, in a philosophical way, the finer points of life. In this sense, TC actually comes off as being so much more superior to his fellow Decepticons, Megatron included. In fact, he himself comes to that self-realization of Megatron's real weakness.

And somehow, Costa is able to sandwhich in between this both plot progression and nods to past continuity ala Nick Roche. For example, Swindle's look of abject horror as he makes out, who else, but his nemesis Ultra Magnus making his way over the horizon. Swindle is yet another expertly written character here, as you can see Hotrod unsuspectingly about to get, well, swindled.

I really can't say enough good about this issue. But I'm going to say more anyway. :) Don is the man. If anyone can convey a sense of power to the TF, it's him. Another great job.

Give it an "A+", the perfect example of what I want out of a TF comic book. IF LSOTW and this issue are any indication of what IDW has got in store for us, it's a damn good time to be a TF fan. :)

Red Dave Prime
2010-02-26, 12:00 AM
Certainly the best issue from Costa, I dont think I'll go quite as far as the commander with my praise but its a good read.

Thundercracker is nicely done. His reasoning is well thought out and fits. Thats a rare feat in IDW of late. The basic plot also rolls along well enough, swindle once again being nicely done. Hot rod/ rodimus is starting to find his feet a bit better - less of the wolverine-lite of earlier issues. And unlike the Bumblebee series, his failures to spoot him being led are done a bit better. Altough I'd argue that considering he had to contend with doubledealer, he'd be a bit more on gaurd.

The link to LSOTW with prowl and magnus doesnt seem to make much sense to me. It doesnt seem to be fitting right and I wonder if it was always the plan or if it just came up in one script and the other had to accomadate it. Magnus himself is still far too ridgid in his "I am DE LAW!" mentality. His character seems to be based solely on his first spotlight. If you read LSOTW 2 and Ongoing 4 , it could be 2 different characters. Having said that, the direction with Magnus is interesting and could led to some good stuff so I can excuse it.

But it points to the main problem Costa and all the other writers have to contend with. The plotline has been so tossed around that its hard to get characters to sync up over the various arcs. Hot rod is in his third incarnation. That says a lot.

But this issue at least seems to indicate that Costa is into his characters even if they dont quite fit what other writers have done. Hopefully he'll get long enough that these problems become less and less as he makes them his own. IDW could certainly ease this task by making sure other writers follow costas basic character outlines - Bumblebee #2s fan reaction shows what happens when you let 2 writers go off on their own in comics which feature the same universe and characters.

A few niggles - Surely Octane (tankor) was around when Thundercracker had his moment of betrayal - after all, he dropped the bomb that thundercracker caught! And Dons humans look a bit weird. Really starting to enjoy the re-designs though.

Overall 4 energon cubes with 1 being for the optimism this issue creates :)

LKW
2010-03-14, 05:52 AM
Well, that was good enough to... get me to buy next issue.

Which is actually an improvement, as I may not have even picked up this issue if I hadn't read the positive feedback people here had to the preview pages. But, there was some to like here, with Thundercracker providing an interesting focus character. And I liked the origin of "Rodimus Prime", though Rod correcting Ultra Magnus about it still made him come off as kind of an insufferable prick. (Possibly intentionally...) And I do find myself interested in seeing the Stunticons show up - they feel underutilized, at least in comics...

But, I'm still not much of a fan of the human race in TF being anything more than helpless, impotent spectators (or, at most, nuisances). And I still find these re-designs to be grotesquely unpleasant, and likely to ultimately help drive me off. And this series, along with AHM and tie-ins (and Megatron Origins) is still being filed in a separate place from the (favored) rest of IDW's "G1" in my collection.

Still, it's getting me to buy at least one more issue of "Ongoing". And that's as much as any TF series, save Wreckers, can get from me at this point.

Housewife2000
2010-03-18, 03:26 PM
I really enjoyed it. The ongoing plot is a lot more interesting than the standard Prime v Megs setup, and I think it will be a shame if they reset each faction's authority in a few issues time.

I love Don's art in terms of its fantastic detail and cleverly thought out transforms and redesigns, but I still think his body language and facial acting need a little more oomph.

Terome
2010-03-19, 12:39 AM
I thought that was a pretty big step in the right direction. Not brilliant, but definitely something more resembling a comic I'd like to read.

But wow, whoever's doing those faction symbol additions needs to step away from the computer, step outside into the fresh air and stay there forever.

kupimus aka(clocker)
2010-03-20, 09:22 AM
yeah, it was alright.

zigzagger
2010-03-30, 08:45 PM
Transformers #5 reaction thread.

Out March 31st.

Preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1003/30/idwfirsts.htm).

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Commander Shockwav
2010-03-31, 09:42 PM
On the negative, it read very short. The pacing of this series is much akin to Infiltration, as it is now apparent this story could easily be told in four issues. The most frustrating thing about the issue is the wasted page space. It's absolutely glaring. I mean, seriously, why waste an entire first page on a picture of an army base? Why waste half a page on Spike holding a bigass gun out a car window? I'll tell you why. Six issues equal a trade, not four.

A second negative is the predictability of what's unfolding. The cover solicits for future issues certainly don't help. We knew the Stunticons were going to get Breakdown back. We knew Swindle was going to screw over Hot Rod and gestaltify the Stunticons. Yet, those were the 'surprise' features of this issue. With LSOTW, we are pretty much in the dark. Anything can happen. That's how it should be.

There are still some positives that have been consistent throughout the series. Don's art being one. Whereas I complained about the wasted page splashes above, if you're going to use a double-page spread on something, that Menasor combining shot is the way to do it. Awesome. It's nice to see Costa bring back some actual significance to the combiners. They seem to be the threat they were meant to be. (thankfully consistent with what Simon did with Monstructor).

I really like the novel concept that, despite the technical superiority of the TF race, they are far less able to adapt to pressures that have an emotional foundation. Their failure to grasp this offers an intriguing explanation for why a war can actually last for millions of years. They are machines, and as such, have a difficult time 'going against their programming', so to speak. Only after witnessing Earth and it's populace does Prime now fathom this, and like Thundercracker, comes to realize that the TF have much to learn in the ways of true adaptation. Quite ironic, really. I give Costa credit for this take.

In the end though, have to give it a "C+". Pace slow, content lacking, predictable events make it harder for me to enjoy what's positive in it. And as I said with Infiltration before this, it will read much better as a trade.

On the plus side, it looks like the next issue will be a hoot.
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Springer85
2010-03-31, 10:57 PM
How has this series been so far? I have to say that I kinda like the art, but haven't picked up an issue yet. Should I? :)

Blackjack
2010-04-05, 10:44 AM
How has this series been so far? I have to say that I kinda like the art, but haven't picked up an issue yet. Should I? :)

No. Not as individual books anyway. It's not as bad as the Bumblebee miniseries or AHM, but it's nothing spectacular either. Nothing new ever comes up. Just by glancing in the previews or the reaction threads or TFWaki, it's nothing that haven't been done before. Humans catching Transformers has been done from the olden days of Marvel. Hot Rod being a prick has been done. Ironhide dying has been done. Autobots and Decepticons working together has been done. Shifty human idiots ****ing up Transformers have been done to death. And Spike being a brainless, macho womanizer isn't something great.

Ultimately it's like the first two -ion series, or even the first half of AHM (the second half is so much dirge that it's painful even looking at it), that you need to read it in TPB format to get some good pacing.

Go for Last Stand of the Wreckers. You're a Springer fan, you'll love it.

Commander Shockwav
2010-04-05, 05:45 PM
Ultimately it's like the first two -ion series...that you need to read it in TPB format to get some good pacing.


Agree with this. Infiltration was soooo much better read as a trade. This will be too.

MeGrimlock
2010-04-14, 07:25 AM
So, earthlings are special. They are superior to every other species in the galaxy.
The Transformers met countless species on countless planet; Gorlamites and Nebulans alone seems to suggest that a highly complex form of evolution took place on their planets as well, and they clearly are resilient and clever, since they survived so far; they are even more advanced than earthlings.
The Decepticons deployed their Infiltration plan on a wide number of inhabited plants (as described in Infiltration).
But only now Thundercracker realizes that, and only with earthlings. Every other species in the universe is window dressings, I guess.
And he does that by watching tv. Thank the gods he did not watch reality shows instead of sit com and documentaries.

My distinct feeling is that the writer was asked by the editors to make Earth special but without using the Ore 13 subplot; the writer did the best he could with the minimal effort, by:
- dumbing down Cybertronians (yes, they live a lot, yes they have unsurpassed science, yes they interacted with dozens or hundreds of civilizations and experienced thing we cannot imagine, but they... well, they are just pretty thick when it comes to learning... learning what? To survive million years while fighting an interstellar war against a merciless and unstoppable enemy devoid of any ethics? No, they need to see earthlings to understand. meh?)
- using a very old (and mushy) rhetoric about humanity being the best of the best but without explaining why any other species in the galaxy is inferior even if they have reached greater heights.
Of course, this is just my opinion and I have absolutely no "proof" about my feeling: I'm sorry to be so negative, but it's the (disturbing) message I'm getting.

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-14, 11:04 AM
Just to play devils advocate, most of the races seen in the IDW comics so far may have advanced tech and what-not but they all seem to be one cultured (as in imagine if earth was all american... no, seriously). I've also always got the impression that these planets are much smaller, kinda like star trek planets. I realise that this is more for the sake of writing then actually setting up the humans as special but it could be argued that by being such a large and diverse race, humans are unique in the galaxy.

MeGrimlock
2010-04-14, 11:30 AM
I get what you mean, I've read something like that in DC Comics.

Housewife2000
2010-04-14, 03:56 PM
I'll also play Devil's Advocate for a second and suggest that Thundercracker may never have visited another populated planet in this continuity before. And who's to say that having your more philosophical warriors sympathising with the locals isn't a regular problem for the Decepticon army? There could be a whole missing subplot from Stormbringer where Skullcruncher earned a week in the brig for watching Nebulos' Nurse Jackie.

I'd also point out that despite their advanced technology, fighting a war that lasts millions of years while not really changing in personality or maturity does suggest that the Transformers are really, really bad at learning anything.

MeGrimlock
2010-04-14, 04:00 PM
I'm having an hard time believing that Thundercracker was always and only among Decepticons for... what... millions of years? While all his comrades carried on Infiltrations on a vast number of planets.

I'd also point out that despite their advanced technology, fighting a war that lasts millions of years while not really changing in personality or maturity does suggest that the Transformers are really, really bad at learning anything.

That's another point that sound contrived (to me, at least), just like the fact that Thundercracker would never have met or known of other species (did he live under a dome?): the writers seem to be forcing these limitations to the Transformers, just in order to justify what's going on on Earth.

Housewife2000
2010-04-14, 04:36 PM
Don't get me wrong – I think that not learning anything is really contrived too. Ultimately, that's why the "millions of years" concept is a dead weight around the franchise's fiction – it suggests the Transformers have all lived practically forever, roaming the universe, getting in adventures and basically being Kane from Kung Fu, except they never act like sage, wise, ancient immortals. Transformer characterisations work best on the basis that they're occasionally immature, inexperienced and plagued by the same weaknesses, ignorance and faults we have.

OK, quick digression to state the obvious: all fiction is really about things we experience as humans – whether we're talking about Vulcans, Time Lords or Transformers. We need to relate to their situations. The Transformers franchise has survived this long because its characters aren't really alien robots – they've got relatable human personalities. Starscream's cowardly and ambitious, Prime's noble and kind (and increasingly violent) etc. They're not all-knowing, all-seeing faultless Gods – they're people like us who happen to look like big shiny killer robots. It's the same reason the stories of the Greek Gods endure: they're really everyday soap opera tales of immorality, feuding and debauchery that have a Technicolor, super-powered twist.

From a writer's POV, living forever and experiencing everything is a complete dead end: your characters need to grow and change and they can only do that by moving out of their comfort zones, experiencing new things and learning lessons along the way. The Thundercracker story follows in the same steps as so much of Transformer fiction – the outsider appraising our world for the first time, learning what it has to offer and changing their initial assumption - see Bumblebee and Spike/Buster/Sam/Sari or even Ratchet/Verity from this continuity. What makes this issue's story interesting to me is that they use a Decepticon instead of an Autobot and do it well. Sure, I have to ignore the "millions of years" back-story, but I've had to do that since 1984, so no big shakes.

MeGrimlock
2010-04-15, 09:00 AM
I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but this was handled a tad too bluntly for my tastes.
Maybe if Thundercracker had not spoken in absolutes, but instead in comparison statements, by examining the features of earthlings and those of other species they had met before-- well, he would not have come out as an exaggeratedly naive million-years-old alien, but instead as a reasonably seasoned traveller who is still able to find something new to marvel at in any new experience he has. And this would have given even more value to his findings on Earth.

It's a matter of shades, I think; and, as I said, I got the feeling here that the concept of humanity's uniqueness is handled with a club.
As for Thundercracker being so inexperienced, maybe the better explanation is an unspoken retcon: these Cybertronians did not go through all the Infiltration activities throughout the galaxy, they just left Cybertron and felt on Earth: everything else doesn't exist anymore.

edit: I'm repeating myself, I feel like a troll. :(

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-15, 07:15 PM
The million years thing is more than a bit stupid. But it is possible that transformers really dont learn and grow - they are manufactured, fully formed with personality ready to go from day one. Yes, they can adapt to tactics and surroundings but they will do it from the same basic starting point. If this is the case, its not that the humans are unique, more that the situation with no war to fight is causing them to actually look at the other inhabitants of the planets they invade - and earth happens to be the first one thundercracker really looks at.

Well, thats one possible idea anyway.

inflatable dalek
2010-04-15, 08:18 PM
The million years thing is more than a bit stupid. But it is possible that transformers really dont learn and grow - they are manufactured, fully formed with personality ready to go from day one. Yes, they can adapt to tactics and surroundings but they will do it from the same basic starting point. If this is the case, its not that the humans are unique, more that the situation with no war to fight is causing them to actually look at the other inhabitants of the planets they invade - and earth happens to be the first one thundercracker really looks at.

Well, thats one possible idea anyway.

If that's really what they're aiming for it's a huge mistake though, you can't have lead characters who don't change and learn, it's the antithesis of storytelling and drama. Which is very IDW really isn't it?

Cliffjumper
2010-04-15, 08:44 PM
Didn't some guy teach Starscream the value of Christmas something like 20 years ago?

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-15, 09:03 PM
you can't have lead characters who don't change and learn

Yeah, BUT what if the transformers only NOW start to change and learn because the great war is over...

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Yeah, I feel the next turn I take will lead me down a dead-end alley.

inflatable dalek
2010-04-15, 09:17 PM
Yeah, BUT what if the transformers only NOW start to change and learn because the great war is over...


Well, if we go with that it's taken them five years to get to the starting point of normal drama.

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-15, 10:03 PM
For some reason, My comic shop keeps giving me the andrew wildman covers.. and I have to say, I really like them. It'd be nice to see him do a whole issue. Magnus has so much more character on this cover then Dons style and much as I applaud his attempt for a change its fair to say that it just aint working. Swindle aside, too many of his faces show no real character.

Anyway, cracking onto this issue and I cant shake the feeling of dullness. It kinda reminds me of when Furman was building up the appearance of Scorponok - even though it was obvious ages ago who the big giant head was. Its the same here - its been clear that swindle would, erm, swindle Rodimus but it seems so by the numbers. Hot rod just comes across as stupid to fall for it. Having said that, when swindle does reveal his intentions its done very well. If they were brave enough IDW could easily do a mini run with swindle leading an outlaw band of transformers reeking havoc on earth and other planets.

Art is good with some nice touches (thunderwing in the background, Breakdown being reclaimed by the other stunticons, swindles face as he reveals he isnt rods pal after all). and a nice big splash for Menasor combining. But as said in other threads, the huge panels during the conversation between Prime and Spike really feel like padding.

And that conversation, while well enough written, doesnt really work for me. I'm just not getting Primes decision, he seems to be risking a lot just to see if his troops can grow without him.

Whatever about Furmans work, I used to look forward to the next issue. Not that this is bad, but its just not grabbing me.

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-15, 10:04 PM
your point?

Warcry
2010-04-15, 10:53 PM
The million years thing is more than a bit stupid.
Actually, has anything in the IDW continuity flat-out said that the war has been going on for millions of years? I can't remember anything, but my memory of the IDW stuff isn't that great. Or is it just an assumption that we've imported from the older versions of the G1 story?

'Four million years' worked in the 80s, but almost none of the characters were actually that old. Aside from Shockwave and Alpha Trion's gang in the cartoon and Xaaron in the comics, I don't think there were many characters who were explicitly stated to have spent all that time functional -- everyone else was either sleeping on the Ark, explicitly built afterwards, or introduced ambiguously enough that we really have no idea how old they are.

But if we're supposed to accept that, in the IDW-verse, these same characters have been fighting the same war for millions of years, doing the same jobs and fighting against the same people, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

zigzagger
2010-04-15, 11:30 PM
Actually, has anything in the IDW continuity flat-out said that the war has been going on for millions of years?
Mmm, not really. Nothing specific, anyway.

In Spotlight: Nightbeat, Nightbeat claims that Ark 1 launched "six-point two million meta-cycles" before the current era (not sure what those figures equate to). Likewise, I didn't get the impression of any kind of war happening in Spotlight: Galvatron where said launch is shown.

Though, take in mind that I'm referencing the Furman stuff. No telling how much of it is relevant nowadays.

MeGrimlock
2010-04-16, 06:50 AM
Hmm, in G2 comics, Optimus explained that the Transformers were more than simple machines because they felt a need to go beyond a pre-programmed set of responses and reactions... they were a species that could grow and learn, and evolve. This new Ongoing is just taking the easiest shortcut for everything: and it's just another side of the fact that IDW is aiming at coping the naivete of the old cartoon (or new movies).

Housewife2000
2010-04-16, 12:36 PM
Spotlight Shockwave is set roughly 600,000 years ago, when the war definitely was raging.

Whether it's millions or thousands of years, it doesn't make sense and it never has. In any incarnation of the franchise, the Transformers assume present day alt modes and interact with present day humans - there's no reason for them to have crashed on earth so long ago. I can only assume Denny O'Neil, Jim Shooter or Bob Budiansky was fascinated by the eruption of Mount St. Helens and had been hankering to tie it into the waking up of some ancient alien race. Which is kind of fair enough, but then why have a Cybertron that hasn't really changed in all that time?

While G1 got saddled with this, it's equally bizarre that later fictions have forced these millennia long gaps into their chronology. The movie-verse Autobots all arrive on earth in the present day, but the Sun Harvester, the Allspark and Megatron all arrive thousands of years ago. Since the Allspark and Megatron don't get discovered until less than a century ago, you're once again stuck with thousands of years in which the war wages without incident and nobody really develops.

Then in animated they say the Great War was millions of years ago, when a few decades could do the job just as well. Tomfoolery I tell you!

Paul053
2010-04-16, 03:28 PM
Watched the '86 movie again last night and found out an interesting coincident. When Hot Rod asked Wreck-Gar about how does he learn to talk like that, Wreck-Gar showed him the TV showing earth program. Guess robot by watching a TV can learn a lot.

Red Dave Prime
2010-04-18, 12:45 AM
The problem with that is that is that is a different plot line. Which, sadly, goes for about all of IDWs output. Hint boys: get a new writer, thats fine, but jesus H christ make him know what the readers have paid good ****ing money for.

minimus-minor
2010-04-18, 10:03 AM
Can't find reaction thread for this, so here's my thoughts at:

http://comicbookrevolution.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=330:transformers-05-review&catid=85:idw&Itemid=96

Cliffjumper
2010-04-18, 12:22 PM
Are you actually looking (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=48472)?

zigzagger
2010-04-28, 05:35 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers #6 reaction and discussion thread.

On sale April 28.

Preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1004/27/idwfirsts.htm).

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Red Dave Prime
2010-04-28, 12:21 PM
Possible I'll be getting 3 IDW comics come thursday - LSOTW and Prowl didnt come in last week cause Mums went to Iceland (and set off a volcano...)

:swirly::|:|

Guess which face relates to which comic?

Commander Shockwav
2010-04-28, 11:05 PM
Predictability's a bitch, innit?

So much was riding on this final issue. Would it surprise us? Would Costa throw us any curveballs? Unfortunately, no. Pretty much everything I figured would happen, happened. Which is not a good thing, IMO.

For the unindoctrinated new reader who lacks a strong familiarity with prior TF storylines of times past, it might be right up their alley, a nice introductory six issue miniseries featuring the classic generic "Prime Saves the Day" moment to bring them up to speed regarding what the Transformers universe has been about the past twenty years.

But for the well-informed TF fan who has come to expect more from his TF comic experience, for the fan who has read every TF issue from three different publishers spanning almost three decades, well, I find myself again in disappointment territory, to say the least.

I would describe this first arc like so many a TF story these past few years. Mediocre with a smattering of excellence here and there that finally ends in an underwhelming fashion.

Like Infiltration, this series suffered from being two to three issues too long. It will read better as a trade, but why should that be a saving grace? LSOTW reads just fine issue to issue without sacrificing character development. Why should this not be the case for the main TF title?

What's there to like? Swindle, Thundercracker, and Ultra Magnus all shine in this series, and their moments I found to be the most enjoyable in the series. Thankfully, their involvement in this arc helps to blunt the brain-numbing effect the two most annoying characters of this series have on the reader: Spike Witwicky and Optimus Prime.

Seriously, Prime has lost his mojo. I've been annoyed at Prime before for, well, being Prime. And I've accepted him and loved him for it. But his unencumbered talk-to-the-hand passive-agressivity in this series is taken to new nausea-inducing heights, especially in this issue. If I were an Autobot, I'd do exactly what Hot Rod did at the end. Speak nary a word, steal a ship, and get as far away from Optimus as possible.

Don's art is again fantastic, and the battle scenes with Menasor did not disappoint.

So yeah, overall, I'm disappointed. I think having seen the covers of upcoming issues posted around the web really hurt my experience. I don't think the story would have been quite as predictable. I avoid the solicits, and still the covers were enough to spoil whatever surprises might have been present.

As a series, I would say it wasn't bad. Issue #4 was fantastic and the others weren't bad. But I was hoping for some curveballs and surprises to conclude this arc, and didn't get any. I was hoping that by the end of this issue, I wouldn't be able to wait for the next.

But you know what? I can wait.

Give this issue a "B-", and the series a "C+" thus far.

Paul053
2010-04-29, 03:22 PM
@Commander Shockwav, this is a very nice review. True, I was very disappointed after finishing the last issue. The character development on Thundercracker is fun, but has he gone too far at the end? And to me, feels like Costa has made the three biggest Autobot leaders through the entire TF universe become three cry babies. Prime still cries after Ironhide's death and totally lost. Ultra Magnus is cocky in the beginning at trying to arrest people (bots) but down the road, his ship got stolen and stock on earth. Hot Rod cries for this is not supposed to be without saying why he really wants and needs to leave. Actually Hot Rod is totally right. This is not supposed to be the end of this mini series. I can't wait for the next issue to see if the guy who ask you to guess he still functions can wake everybody up.

Red Dave Prime
2010-05-17, 11:51 PM
Much better than I expected but still trips itself up. The Menasor character was nicely done and it was refreshing to see a super villian who is his own weakness. Kudos as well to bumblebees standing up to magnus - somewhat undoing the crap that was the bumblebee mini. Thundercrackers noble ideals could lead somewhere if they're brave enough. A showdown with Megatron would be quite interesting. And Swindle still looks like the con most deserving of attention. Glad he got away.

But the trips up glare. Rodimus seems to have such a messed up character that I cant see how it relates in any way to the Hot Rod in Furmanverse, AHM... hell, even the first issue of the ongoing.

Prime also irks. I'm not really sure what Costa is trying to do with him. He makes a heroic return and then ****s off again.

So first arc of the ongoing down and it still feels like the series is waiting to kick off. In and around it we've had a terrible Bumblebee Mini, an ok Prowl Spotlight, a somewhat promising start to Ironhide and a fantastic LSOTW. Take that last title out of the list and it looks worryingly mundane. And thats one thing a comic about giant shape-shifting robots shouls never be.

TMM
2010-07-10, 06:48 AM
Recently purchased this one, set after All Hail Megatron, and I must say, i love some of the designs in it - i love the cross between g1 and movie style - bumblebee inparticular looks awesome, part of me wishes this was the direction they went with the movies

Patapsco
2010-07-19, 07:52 AM
picked up the tpb, was moderately impressed and at the same time crushingly disappointed. Seems to be a lot of "let's run away" "let's not" "okay then" type dialogue and it gets quite tiring after a while. I also could have done with someone offing Hot Rod as every panel he opens his mouth I hated him more and more. Having said that, I did kind of like Prime's dialogue bits with Spike, Ultra Magnus being a complete prick and Menasor. Menasor is awesome.

Prowl1984
2010-08-04, 06:14 PM
Just finished the TPB, Loved Thundercracker and Swindle, hated almost everyone else. Anyone gonna put money down on Rodimus buggering off to claim the matrix? I've enjoyed IDW Hot Rod ever since his Spotlight issue, but now he's probably my least favorite character along with Spike...