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Cliffjumper
2010-07-09, 07:23 PM
So yeh, here's more pictures for you to tolerate.

Firstly, here's the fruits of a month's collecting:

Action Force (i.e. anyone I really like who appeared in the Marvel Weekly and had a half-plausible rewritten bio): -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Action_Force_Named.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Action_Force_Named.jpg)

G. I. Joe: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_GIJoeNamed.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=GIJoeNamed.jpg)

Cobra: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Cobra.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Cobra.jpg)

Vehicles That'd Fit In The Lightbox: -

HISS: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_HISS.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=HISS.jpg)

RAM: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_RAM.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=RAM.jpg)

Flight Pod: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_FlightPod.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=FlightPod.jpg)

Also got something from Revenge of Cobra - the Steel Crusher, which is about the only thing from the whole line which doesn't look like it's from some shitty xXx sequel: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_SteelCrusher1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=SteelCrusher1.jpg) http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_SteelCrusher2.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=SteelCrusher2.jpg)

Wildrider
2010-07-09, 08:24 PM
Wildrider likes this.

I'm coveting your Joes, Flint looks really awesome! I have a box full of old Joes and some TFs in the garage, no doubt fighitng a losing battle against spiders, danp and the occaisional renegade toad.

All my joes used to have a broken crothc though, i don't remember purpusely castrating them, my favourite toy of them all was probably Timber, was it Snake Eyes's wolf? Not sure about the lore behind why he has a wolf.

Snake Eyes was always very much the Wolverine of the Joe universe, in the comics i read I always liked how his face was portrayed as ravaged and his gentle pseudo romance with Scarlett.

I remember one story set in the 'nam, doesn't Snake Eyes get a phoshorous grenade in the face? It was during a hot day in the delta, we were on a long range patrol. My mind is foggy but I think Breaker was in the flashback and some other joes. One had a 'Thumper' grenade launcher, damn I'm having a rambling flashback!

Nice collection though, Beach Head remains awesome!

Cliffjumper
2010-07-09, 08:50 PM
Yeh, Quick-Kick's got the crotch thing, albeit in a fairly minor way. Like several of the older ones I bought him before I'd properly sampled the 25th anniversary ones, so he's probably going to get retired at some point (especiall as Quick-Kick's the one you really need to hold a pose or two).

Snake-Eyes is very much the Wolverine - great when I was a bit younger, bit fed up with him after having recently read the full run of the US comic and having him crammed down my throat. My memories if said run are blurring quite a bit, but I seem to remember just about everything happened to Snake-Eyes' face - IIRC he took some sort of weapon in the fizzog while on patrol in 'Nam (said patrol, by some quantum coincidence, also included Storm Shadow and Stalker-the-American-one...), and then the evac helicopter got hit and burning fuel hit him... in the face, obviously. I seem to remember it got reconstructed with plastic surgery at some point, only for him to get immediately captured by Cobra and have something poured on his face again - you'd think they'd cut his hands and feet off first, really.

I always kinda liked Beach Head from brief appearances in the Action Force comic, and for being the best thing in the movie, but having the little figure of him with its' tiny crossbow and badass scowl has kicked that into overdrive. Same thing happened with Firefly, who I adore - for some reason any masked figure is halfway there for me.

The strange thing is my collection is actually getting quite close to getting where I want it - I'm after Falcon, Jinx, Footloose, Covergirl, Frostbite, Lifeline, Cross Country, Mercer, Xamot & Tomax and then I think it's building up the Cobra red/blueshirts, upgrading to 25th anniversary figs and rounding up vehicles and bases... From about the 1980s film onwards the figures are pretty terrible.

Wildrider
2010-07-09, 09:16 PM
- for some reason any masked figure is halfway there for me.
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Aha I agree with you, i rmemebr getting a new wave of them as a kid and there wa sone guy who was essentially a SWAT guy in blue fatigues with a blue ski mask on as well, if memory serves he came with a silenced UZI and a knife that would slide into his backpack. Gah I forget his name.

Also had a guy called Sci-Fi who I vaguely remember him sniping someone with a laser rifle though a wall in a comic. Not as cool as Roadblock swanning round with a 50,cal, but freaking awesome for a nipper. Sci-Fi would have looked wicked army built actually in his green robo-cop/Tron get up.

I always liked Lifeline, I know you're after him, I do have him somewhere, loved him after seeing him in a comic, these were probably all in TF comics second string stories at the back. where he basically harnessed the power of Akiido to use everyones negative force back at them via defensive moves, More ninja posturing, but damn for a medic he looked like he had aviator shades on.

Cool ness.

Ah yes Stalker not breaker, Stalker was the one that wore those Falkland era jumpers with the trademark elbow patches and shoulder patches, whatever use they were.

Damn god help us if we ever get in a pub together, G.I.Joe reminsicing could last all night!

Cliffjumper
2010-07-09, 09:49 PM
Shockwave (http://www.yojoe.com/action/88/shockwave.shtml)? Yeh, he's got a cool 25th anniversary figure (http://www.yojoe.com/action/09/agu/shockblast3.shtml) too. The chap I just saw who I kinda want is Action Man (http://www.yojoe.com/action/04/actionman.shtml) - not particularly great version, but Christ that's a cool reference. The only other later character I'm half interested in is Big Ben (http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/bigben.shtml), just to recreate the awful Cor blimey, welcome to Judi Dench's Fish 'n' Chips dialogue Larry Hama gave him in the US comic.

Cheers for the offer of Lifeline, but I shooould have one on the way (won auctions don't count until they get here, law of tempting fate!). Love the way the comics and cartoon made a big fuss of him being a pacifist, yet he comes with a handgun... There's something about that funky red suit, though. Much more interesting than Doc, a bloke in fatigues with the least imaginative codename ever.

I kinda like US Stalker, but the pre-Hasbro UK Stalker was much cooler, and has nabbed the codename :o

inflatable dalek
2010-07-09, 10:08 PM
Jesus, what did I start with that first thread?

Was the Joe line getting a Shockwave part of some sort of elaborate name exchange for Crankcase?

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 08:45 AM
I loved my Joe Shockwave. Though part of me was slightly thrown by names being transferred cross-property, due to the comics occasionally sharing a universe.

I used to use him in my TF fights, pretending it was the Decepticon masquerading as a human.

I have pre-Hasbro Stalker's head currently sat on my desk, having found it in a bag of toy parts that I went through during the week. At least, I think that's what it is. The domino sleepmask in your pic looks like it sticks out more. Huh.

I didn't realise there was an actual Heavy Duty that they stole the name to give to New Roadblock. Why is Havok hiding at the back of your Joe picture with a red flak jacket on?

Didn't know the generic Cobra soldiers were actually sold as "The Enemy". That's a bit discriminatory, isn't it? I mean were kids expected to puppet Cobra Commander going "right, Enemy, it's time to attack something!"? Wacky.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-10, 08:52 AM
I have pre-Hasbro Stalker's head currently sat on my desk, having found it in a bag of toy parts that I went through during the week. At least, I think that's what it is. The domino sleepmask in your pic looks like it sticks out more. Huh.

If I'm remembering what Cliffy said in the other thread correctly that's actually a more recent Snake Eyes toy he's just decided to call Stalker as he already has the original for Snake Eyes duty. So the toy named Snake Eyes in the pictures was used as the Stalker toy whilst the one called Stalker has only ever been Snake Eyes.

The Joe Stalker seems to be played by Billy Dee Williams in the comic.

I don't think I've ever heard of Shockwave until this thread, was he actually in any of the stories that made their way into the Transformers comic?

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 09:02 AM
that's actually a more recent Snake Eyes toy he's just decided to call Stalker

I kinda like US Stalker, but the pre-Hasbro UK Stalker was much cooler, and has nabbed the codename

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/toys/002/sas/018/index.html
^^ Pre Hasbro Stalker.

And looking at it in profile, that is what I've got here. Well, its head as a trophy, anyway. I might get a pike.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-10, 09:17 AM
Ah yes, according to this post of the FULL FORCE thread:
http://tfarchive.com/community/showpost.php?p=687847&postcount=68

That's actually 25th Anniversary Snake Eyes impersonating Action Force Stalker [Unless cliffy changed his mind since then]. The description of Stalker on the Blood For The Baron site actually sounds more like Movie Snake Eyes, not very chatty because he chooses to be rather than because of comedy injuries.

Why the hell did they do a Doctor Mindbender with a shirt on? Don't they get the ripped manly chest is the main appeal of the character?

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 11:57 AM
I loved my Joe Shockwave. Though part of me was slightly thrown by names being transferred cross-property, due to the comics occasionally sharing a universe.

Still just as confusing, as newer ones also use "Shockblast"... Generally GI Joe doesn't seem to have suffered trademark-wise as Transformers - Mainframe seems to be about the only halfway big name change, though some of the early ones with simpler names have been modified a little (it's "Sgt. Breaker" now, a/o, so they generally sound less silly too). I guess it's because a lot of the characters have been in near-constant production.

I think the character was very late to the comic - the TF backup reprints were lagging quite some way behind the US stuff at the time. The British toyline was a year behind anyway because of the complicated 'handover' with Palitoy (who, IIRC, released most of the first couple of years of G. I. Joe heavily redecoed and renamed - which is where Quarrel, Stalker, Jammer, the Red Laser, Blades etc. come in), then released a bunch of them unchanged, then lost the licence - it looks like Hasbro UK decided to just start with a clean sweep and not really use many of the moulds Palitoy had already issued.

The domino sleepmask in your pic looks like it sticks out more. Huh.

Yeh, the new version is essentially a new mould, making the Stalker thing a bit tenuous outside of my mind - it basically comes down to do I want to spend £10-15 on a proper AF Stalker with loose arms, no accessories and relatively poor articulation, or less than that on a brand new one with articulation and weapons... I may at some point dab on the grey details. But then I might not - my other Snake-Eyes being dark grey and having detailing of his own means they don't look particularly alike (no more than, say, Flint and Tunnel Rat anyway).

Blood for the Baron is just an amazing site - whether you care for Action Force or not, you can't argue with the drive and depth of the thing. No sign of TPBs? **** it, we'll do them ourselves. Wow.

I didn't realise there was an actual Heavy Duty that they stole the name to give to New Roadblock. Why is Havok hiding at the back of your Joe picture with a red flak jacket on?

Yeh, I was surprised when he cropped up in the film, actually - my only guess is they wanted to save Roadblock for the sequel instead of a fairly crappy functional role (I'm guessing that's the reason the fairly forgettable Cover Girl got in the film too - there weren't going to be any wars started if they gave her a role which basically amounts to being a prop and then killed her off... that and it was a good reason to cast some dumb model who can't act), because he does seem to be basically the same character. Him and Havok-in-a-red-flak-jacket are job lot wins I don't have the numbers to replace yet, they and Recondo Who Doesn't Look Like Recondo tend to die fairly often.

Didn't know the generic Cobra soldiers were actually sold as "The Enemy". That's a bit discriminatory, isn't it? I mean were kids expected to puppet Cobra Commander going "right, Enemy, it's time to attack something!"? Wacky.

IIRC in the official Marvel profile book Cobra Commander's name is actually Enemy Commander too, though that might've been so they could have his rank/speciality as Cobra Commander on the next line. It's quite cool for the trooper, who has "Cobra - The Enemy" on his little stand.

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 12:20 PM
Blood for the Baron is just an amazing site - whether you care for Action Force or not, you can't argue with the drive and depth of the thing. No sign of TPBs? **** it, we'll do them ourselves. Wow.

At some point I do need to sit down and actually read through the entire history of the line, as I'm not quite sure where my Stalker came from, as is the case with a a few bits of the stuff I had. Most of it I bought from a toy store in Limassol that I loved going to... they just had racks of the figures inside the door. But then I've got stuff like a TeleViper and the Jeep Thing that I think were a hand-down lot from a friend's brother or something. And then there's Stalker, which is just random. Also some really cheap quality figures that are probably knock-offs that have similar neck engineering (simple one plane rotation as opposed to ball-joint), but who knows... maybe they were legit. I've got the remnants of a grey boat that isn't the right plastic for it to be AF, and also a spare head with a turban and a grimace. Same neck socket as Stalker. Constantly snapping rubber made me quite adept at completely dismantling figures and repairing them with some elastic bands, and often just cobbling them together into "new" characters... I remember being quite annoyed that Stalker didn't have the same engineering.

The hip joints, on the other hand, when they snapped I was ****ed and had to decide which toy would get sacrificed for the greater good.

Yeh, I was surprised when he cropped up in the film, actually - my only guess is they wanted to save Roadblock for the sequel instead of a fairly crappy functional role

See, I thought that Heavy Duty was Roadblock, but renamed for trademark reasons. Of course I could be wrong. I'd defer to your knowledge on that subject... I just see big black army guy and think Roadblock, and TF has conditioned me to just accept when names are different.

I seem to recall Cover Girl's role in the film being quite hyped... possibly just by the actress. All the usual stuff, y'know. "Challenging role... character's motivation... really got into her backstory... blah blah". Then she's in like two scenes, either giving somebody a clipboard or getting kebabed. Models, eh.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 12:46 PM
AFAIK there's nothing really stopping them from using Roadblock - figures are coming out quite regularly, and I'm not sure what else would stop them beyond trademark reasons - toys seem to be much more tightly regulated than film characters when it comes to this sort of thing. Really the character might've been a bit of a better fit for Duke's mate, albeit with some big changes (well, or not, considering they didn't seem to give a toss whether their versions of characters had anything whatsoever to do with the originals). I would, though, have thought exactly the same thing had I not got that Heavy Duty figure before seeing the film, and I bet a few people came out of it going "Why is Roadblock British?".

The film character weirdly reminded me more of Mother's Milk from The Boys, but there we go.


Looking at Action Force a bit, it seems it's got more than a little in common with Robo Machine, in that there's a clear bit where they were doing their own thing, and a clear bit where they're basically just putting American stuff in new boxes, and a hell of a muddle in the middle. On top of what Palitoy were doing, I'll bet there were all sorts of half-arsed licensing deals with other markets, and stock got shipped all over the place (as a further parallel, when Gobots started bombing in America, unsold stock was shipped to Europe - where Robo Machine was still doing pretty well - and sold completely unchanged, US cards and all - toyshops used to be a lot less organised and samey, there seemed to be a lot less rules stopping that sort of thing, and the UK especially was a bit of a dumping ground); then there's bootlegs and copycat lines...

Most of the Palitoy Action Force stuff had much less articulation than GI Joe stuff - arms were either straight or bent at the elbow, and necks only tended to move if the character was wearing something "open collar". IIRC the arms were a little softer as well. There's a serious fandom for the thing - watching on ebay UK, it's not uncommon for a basic SAS or Red Shadow figure to fetch more than pretty much any GI Joe.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-10, 12:49 PM
I seem to recall Cover Girl's role in the film being quite hyped... possibly just by the actress. All the usual stuff, y'know. "Challenging role... character's motivation... really got into her backstory... blah blah". Then she's in like two scenes, either giving somebody a clipboard or getting kebabed. Models, eh.

Yeah, during the Brosnan era the third and fourth Bond girls down the credits used to do the same. The one he improves his Dutch tongue on at the start of Tomorrow Never Dies was all over the press in the lead up to the films release despite only having three lines. Though if I were dating Bryan Adams I'd look for solace where I could as well.

I'd assumed Heavy Duty=Roadblock as well. Mainly because Halfshell told me so though.

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 01:05 PM
considering they didn't seem to give a toss whether their versions of characters had anything whatsoever to do with the originals [...] I bet a few people came out of it going "Why is Roadblock British?".

I doubt Roadblock's and Breaker's nationalities were really high up the list. Probably quite a way below "why is the Baroness Duke's ex, why is her brother Cobra Commander, why did she have to be mind-controlled rather than actually being evil, why did they waste Dr Mindbender like that, why did they give Cobra Commander an origin" and a dozen other insane things like that.

... I actually kinda want to watch it again right now, just because of how utterly senseless and shit it is. Especially the "AND NOW I AM COBRA COMMANDER AND YOUR FACE IS METAL ah we're in prison" ending.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 01:22 PM
I'm not so tempted, TBH - the '87 film fills the quota of "terrible film about GI Joe that railroads all the best characters" for me, and at least has Beach Head.

I honestly thought Cobra Commander was meant to be Dr. Mindbender for most of the scenes he was in - I just guessed I'd missed him being named. I mean, huge chunks of it just don't really make any sense - Duke and Ripcord have their funky codenames when they're just soldiers. If any of you ever join the army, I want you to try that - when you're out with your platoon getting shot by Iraqi dissidents, turn around and tell them your name isn't Private Jones, it's War Gunner. Then Hawk introduces himself with his real name... but Duke who's never heard of GI Joe knows his codename. Uh?

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 01:32 PM
I honestly thought Cobra Commander was meant to be Dr. Mindbender for most of the scenes he was in

So did I. Apparently the guy in the bunker whose experiments he saw (that turned him evil) was meant to be Mindbender.

Duke and Ripcord have their funky codenames when they're just soldiers. [...] Then Hawk introduces himself with his real name... but Duke who's never heard of GI Joe knows his codename. Uh?

Yep. Pretty much the exact same thing I picked at at the time. Huge swathes of it just don't add up at all. I think that's kinda why I liked it. Even though I shouldn't have. At all. For any reason.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 02:24 PM
I found Cobra Commander the most baffling thing in the film, TBH. Okay, GI Joe, I can see why someone who takes themselves too seriously would completely change them to the extent that you wonder what the ****ing point is, but Cobra Commander? He's a bastard in a mask who wants to take over the world via terrorism. What exactly needed reworking there?

Mind, the revelation that the Baroness, being a 'hot' Hollywood actress, couldn't just be an evil, greedy bitch wasn't good either - of course, she had to simply be confused. I did like the way they colour-coded her hair so we could tell when she was evil and when she was good, though, that would have been really handy if I was six.

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 03:06 PM
I was fully expecting it to turn out that Destro was secretly working for some shady behind the scenes nameless kingpin figure, which is all CC needs to be. Discovering that the crazy Doktor is in fact an evil genius who's manipulating everything so he can rule the world with nanobots and get a new mask... just trying far too hard.

But yeah, we couldn't just have "she thought Duke killed her brother, dabbled in the underworld to try and get her own back, found out she really really liked it so is now evil." No, they had to do that... then thrown in that she's actually being mind-controlled so everybody can get a happy ending. I half hoped that they'd have the balls to properly swerve it and reveal that she was only pretending to be mind-controlled to con Duke, and that she actually is free range evil. But noooo.

And where it really jumps the shark is that those two insane rewritten character histories are the same ****ing plot strand. The crazy evil Doctor IS her brother! So naturally she has to go off and be with her Real American Hero boyfriend, rather than sticking with the man whose presumed death led to it all. I mean Jesus Christ on a Harley.

Then again, insanely contrived interweaving backstories aren't exactly new. What was it? Cobra Commander blamed Snake Eyes for the death of his brother, so hired Firefly to kill him, Firefly in turn hired Zartan who accidentally killed Storm Shadow's uncle instead (because he was teaching Snake Eyes how to mimic peoples heartrates at the exact same moment Zartan used an arrow that hones in on peoples heartrates)?

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 03:32 PM
Yeh, that sorta goes back to the Wolverine thing, doesn't it? Everyone's interested in Snake-Eyes' origin. But you can't do flashbacks to Snake-Eyes kicking around with Jim and Eddie, he's got to be a childhood rival of Storm Shadow, in the same platoon as Stalker and so on, like the way it turns out Wolverine had flashback adventures with pretty much everyone in the Marvel Universe over the age of 18, they just didn't mention it until after he joined the X-Men...

Funny thing about Destro - I thought the pre-credits chap was laughably bad. After about two minutes of Cakebastard shouting "Hiya Leigh! Hiya pal!" and "Soapy Soutar, git in here and wash ma balls!" I drastically revised this evaluation and now think they cast them the wrong way round. But yeh, seeing as they basically doomed us to his gurning spastickery as main villain, it was weird to have another one shovelled on top in such a bizarre figure - a few shots of a masked man on the other end of a video line, that sort of thing, would have been much more effective.

And yeh, I was totally braced for a switchback from the Baroness, which would have been a great thing for the character, both in terms of acknowledging the original (in the comics especially they tend not to shy away from her being a real piece of work) and in making her a character in her own right other than Duke's Squeeze and Cobra Commander's Sister. Whereas the overall impression as filmed is that she's basically incapable of thinking or acting on her own.

The ending in general views like it was written to set up a bundle of sequels, then someone saw a rough cut and saw that was simply never going to happen and then rewrote the conclusion in five minutes flat so as not to look quite that stupid.

The worst thing is it's pretty much killed any hope of getting a half-decent film out of GI Joe now it's been moored in high-tech jizzery-twattery just when war films that weren't pious lectures on the obvious seemed to be on the front foot.

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 03:38 PM
Funny thing about Destro - I thought the pre-credits chap was laughably bad.

Not only was it awful, but it doesn't even have any bearing on the film. It gives backstory to the mask that Cakebastard's got knocking about, even if it's nothing that couldn't be handled in exposition... but he doesn't even end up donning the mask. Instead Stealth Reveal Cobra Commander just randomly decides to give him a metal face. I don't think he even bothers giving it any "you're proud of that mask, why don't we give you one of your own" supervillain bullshit.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 04:21 PM
The sheer amount of stupid decisions they made making the film is just flabbergasting. I'm not sure if they'd gone the other way it would have made it great or anything, it's too badly acted, directed, edited and plain ****ed from the base level due to nobody involved wanting to make a GI Joe film, instead preferring to take the money and make some random shit... But there would have been some positives, y'know? You could have said "I thought the bit where the Baroness has been stringing Duke along for the last reel and then turns on him once her arse is out of the fire was great, shame about the rest of it" instead of "Shame about all of it".

The most annoying thing about the bowlderising of the Baroness is that for something based on a kids' toyline, G.I. Joe was always pretty good to the female characters - they're usually portrayed as fairly capable and independant for the most part (I read somewhere that the Marvel comic actually had a fair few female readers for largely this reason).

Dammit, I want to buy Red Shadows now. They're farking expensive too...

Halfshell
2010-07-10, 04:32 PM
Well, I just bought the DVD set off Amazon. And Resolute. And preordered the new release of the animated film.

Bugger.

But at least I haven't bought Rise of Cobra on Blu Ray yet. Sadly this will happen eventually. It's really annoying knowing that I enjoyed a film with zero redeeming features. I just did. If only I knew why, I'd be happy.

The running flip bit with the accelerator suits is straight out of Ironhide in Mission City, too.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-10, 04:48 PM
Well, I just bought the DVD set off Amazon. And Resolute. And preordered the new release of the animated film.

Bugger.

Sorry.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-11, 02:46 AM
Well, I thought it was supposed to be a twist Rex turned out to be the master villain. Was I the only one fooled by him turning out to be Cobra Commander?

Halfshell
2010-07-11, 08:46 AM
Well, I thought it was supposed to be a twist Rex turned out to be the master villain. Was I the only one fooled by him turning out to be Cobra Commander?

"I honestly thought Cobra Commander was meant to be Dr. Mindbender for most of the scenes he was in"

"So did I. Apparently the guy in the bunker whose experiments he saw (that turned him evil) was meant to be Mindbender"

"Stealth Reveal Cobra Commander"

I think it's a fair bet you weren't alone in it.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-16, 07:48 PM
What's the difference between Flash and Zap?

Halfshell
2010-07-16, 08:21 PM
http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/flash.shtml
http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/zap.shtml

Er? Zap answers his PMs?

Cliffjumper
2010-07-16, 08:50 PM
Ooops.

So, the basic difference is one has a laser and one has a bazooka? Awesome.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-17, 08:17 PM
Recent buys:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Dragonfly-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Dragonfly-1.jpg)

Dragonfly with 25th anniversary Breaker (or Sgt. Breaker if you happen to be a lawyer), and Ye Olde Wild Bill seeing as the 25th version won't fit in the damn cockpit. Still, Olde Bill half-inched his successor's fancy removable jerkin anyway.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_CoverGirl-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=CoverGirl-1.jpg)

Cover Girl. I'm low on tanks, so she's got a motorbike for now.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_ForwardObs-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=ForwardObs-1.jpg)

Forward Observer Post, missing some bits and modelled by 25th Anniversary Dusty (who ****ing rocks).

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Barbecue-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Barbecue-1.jpg)

25th Anniversary Barbecue, now with the dexterity to really swing that fire-axe.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Outpost-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Outpost-1.jpg)

Beach Head trains the Rawhides in his usual calm fashion on a couple of bits of some outpost set.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_MissileBase-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=MissileBase-1.jpg)

25th Flint tackles the Cobra Missile Base.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_CLAW-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=CLAW-1.jpg)

CLAW!!!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Firing-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Firing-1.jpg)

Cobra firing range with 25th Crimson Guards. Make your own joke.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Observation1-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Observation1-1.jpg) http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Observation2-1.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Observation2-1.jpg)

Cobra Surveillance Port.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-18, 10:51 AM
Holy crap, Barbecue cut off some guys head!

Rookwise
2010-07-21, 12:03 AM
Some people were asking where Shockwave first appeared.
It actually wasn't in any Transformers comic. Shockwaves first UK comic appearance was in 1989 within the pages of The Incredible Hulk Presents which was a 12 issue run. The Action Force (later renamed GI Joe. The Action Force) strip was actually a reprint of the US GI Joe: Special Missions story.
Shortly after this. Shockwave appeared as a figure in the UK along with Spearhead and Max, Muskrat etc

The original Shockwave came in a blue SWAT uniform along with a silenced machine gun, backpack and knife.

I also seem to recall an awful retina burning green repaint version later on as well (Before the V2 Firefly figure).




There have been 46 different versions of Snake Eyes (not counting the various V1 international versions repainted as Cobra agents)
In Brazil, his head was recolored and used to create Cobra De Aço and the entire mold was used with a silver Cobra logo to create Cobra Invasor. The figure was also available without the Cobra logo as O Invasor. In Argentina, Snake Eyes was recolored in red and silver and released as Cobra Mortal and as a different version of Cobra Invasor.


I used to have a V1 (Stalker version), V2,V3 & V4 Snake Eyes. V4 being the worst painted in black,silver,red and bright blue and coming with bright orange weapons.
The V1 Snake Eyes (then known as Stalker in the UK) came with a 4x4 called the SAS Panther. The SAS Panther was a repaint of the GI Joe Vamp vehicle.



Original Marvel comics Snake Eyes background story:-

In the Marvel Comics' continuity Stalker, Storm Shadow, and Snake Eyes served together in the Vietnam War in a LRRP (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol) unit. Also serving on their LRRP team were Ramon Escobedo, Dickie Saperstein, and Wade Collins. While Snake Eyes served in combat, he always carried a picture of his twin sister with him in his hat for good luck. While on a mission, the LRRP team walked into a valley and stumbled into an encampment of North Vietnamese Army (NVA) soldiers. A firefight ensued, with Ramon, Dickie, and Wade all being killed (Wade Collins actually survives, and later joins Cobra, becoming Fred II of the Fred series Crimson Guardsmen). The rest of the team was able to make it out of the valley and to an LZ. As a helicopter arrived to pick up the surviving team members, the pursuing NVA opened fire, blinding Snake Eyes and severely damaging his vocal cords. Concerned for his friend, Storm Shadow went back for Snake Eyes. Running through heavy enemy fire, Storm Shadow was able to get Snake Eyes safely aboard the helicopter. Upon returning home from the war, Snake Eyes met with Colonel Hawk, who informed him that his family had been killed in a car accident (which coincidentally involved the brother of the man who would eventually become G.I. Joe's arch-foe, Cobra Commander). After some soul-searching, Snake Eyes went to study the ninja arts with Storm Shadow's family, the Arashikage Clan.
Snake Eyes’s ability to quickly learn skills especially impressed Storm Shadow’s uncle, the Hard Master. Over time, Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow became sword brothers, and unintentional rivals for the attention and favor of the Hard Master, who liked pitting them against one another to test their considerable skills. Though Snake Eyes often attempted to throw matches in order that his friend should save face in front of his family, the Hard Master was aware of Snake Eyes' ruse, and knew him to be the true victor. During one of Snake Eyes training sessions the Hard Master expressed his desire for Snake Eyes to take over leadership of the Arashikage ninja clan instead of his nephew, Storm Shadow. Snake Eyes refused, and the Hard Master continued with the lesson. It was at this point that Zartan (hired by Cobra Commander) mistakenly killed the Hard Master instead of Snake Eyes. Zartan used an arrow he stole from Storm Shadow, implicating him in the murder of his uncle. Storm Shadow chased Zartan, who was able to escape in a helicopter piloted by Firefly. With Storm Shadow believed responsible for the death of the Hard Master, the Arashikage ninja clan dissolved and Snake Eyes returned to America, where he took up residence in the High Sierra Mountains.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-23, 06:39 PM
Current collection: - http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/CounterXnet/Collection#

Halfshell
2010-07-23, 07:02 PM
Christ, the quality difference between the originals and the 25ths is staggering, isn't it?

Cliffjumper
2010-07-23, 07:10 PM
Just a bit, yeh.

Halfshell
2010-07-28, 04:43 PM
I'm glad to see that, for all the engineering enhancements they've made (moveable ****ing ankles!) Hasbro still haven't worked out that those black hoses are shit.

I remember now why so many of my old toys backpacks have traces of bluetac on them...

Cliffjumper
2010-07-28, 04:48 PM
Yup, Barbecue's is already splitting, having been bent at 90 degrees at the backpack attachment... Winningly, their solution seems to have been to simply leave the thing off Mainframe altogether. Eh.

Halfshell
2010-07-28, 04:52 PM
Actually, that's a plan. Off comes Barbecue's hose, away into the accessories bag with Roadblock's gun stand (he can barely hold the thing as it is) and ammo strip.

Now, figuring out how to get them onto the stands without looking like twats or falling over.

Barbecue, Mutt, Roadblock, Bazooka and Hawk, for the record.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-28, 05:03 PM
Eh, I just don't use the stands TBH - you get more variation that way, and most of them have pretty good balance. Plus some of them have weird crap written on them... I get the trademark thing, but can they really not legally put the proper names on the stands?

But then I have most of them standing on an oil rig, so...

Halfshell
2010-07-28, 05:48 PM
I think I may have to file them away, yeah. At least for the Joes. They give a bit of stability if you can get the positioning just right, but otherwise feh.

My Cobra troops will likely retain theirs to aid in the uniform rank and file formation I'm planning on. I'm building an army. An army I say!

Incidentally, if anybody in the US might happen to stumble across the Night Watch boxset in TRU... *whistles innocently*

[EDIT]
To make it relevant to the thread title...

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/FirstLotofJoes.jpg

Roadblock looks like he has learning difficulties.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-28, 06:17 PM
Nice! I really can't decide which Roadblock I'm going for, the first season or second season version... Oh, and don't drop one of Bazooka's missiles down the launcher. You can get it back out eventually, but only after blood, sweat and tears. Ordered General Hawk myself this morning... Vintage figs are alright when there's no alternative, but when the Joe's leader is a little chap with a giant green cup on his head something's got to give.

There're a couple of HK sellers who do respectable job lots of Cobra troopers - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360268209003 is one I've got on the way, bearing in mind the white webbing can be removed (shame they don't have at least one of the cameras just because it's a cute extra, but there we go). The only problem with the 25ths is getting Cobra generics in the same poses... No such problem with the old version I have, anyway...

EDIT: On-topic -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Mainframe.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Mainframe.jpg)
25th Mainframe, with modded original backpack.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_RockNRoll.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=RockNRoll.jpg)
25th Rock 'n' Roll

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Flash.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Flash.jpg)
25th Flash

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_FANG.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=FANG.jpg)
Original FANG, with Stinger driver because I still don't have a Stinger.

Halfshell
2010-07-28, 07:37 PM
Yay Mainframe! Need Dialtone too. :(

It's mad that we get eight different flavours of Nobody Vipers, yet no Jinx, Law, Lowlight, Cover Girl, Footloose or Lifeline.

As a sidebar, am I alone in thinking that the Para Viper looks godawful? Like they couldn't decide what gimmick to give it, so they gave it EVERYTHING in a Gary from Leon kinda way.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-28, 07:54 PM
Not mad on the Vipers, going with the regular-ish troopers where possible (the random G2 Vipers I have are probably ebay bound once I get some numbers... having a single Alley Viper and a single Sand Viper, with no plans to buy any more, seems a bit silly). The Elite Air Infantry look a bit mad, but seem to have substitutable normal hat...

Sadly, it looks like the 25th Dialtone was the Resolute-inspired multi-pack chicktone (also with Law in camos, which sort of missed the point). There was a passable G2 Cover Girl (http://www.yojoe.com/action/06/agentcourtneykrieger.shtml), but it would seem that this is rarer than rocking horse shit (the one version of the pack on ebay is a hundred quid, and I can't see Hannibal or a dull version of Spirit being the reason for that). If ti was a tenner, I'd go for it... And the RoC version looks literally nothing like her... So stupid; the original had a sort of simple irony to her - model becomes tank driver/mechanic, goes around in sensible fatigues. The film version presumably has the same model background, and goes on to be... Hawk's secretary. When you're less enlightened than the idiots putting together toyline bios in 1984...

I kinda like the original Jinx, because IIRC she was fairly consistently a foot shorter than anyone else (cf. when Falcon's pawing at her in the motor pool, or when Beachhead's kicking the shit out of her). She also has nail varnish, which is fantastic. Not that a 25th-style version with removable mask and NINJA articulation would be unwanted. It is kinda annoying that they've done five, ten versions of some characters and nothing of others (I mean, a lot of them have fresh toolings, so it's not just 'recolours are cheap').

That said, the Hunt for Cobra line seems to have the odd retro touch to it with guys like Rampage, so some stuff could crop up there - however, I wouldn't hold out for anyone particularly colourful thanks to that joyless turd of a film... Big thugs in body armour and awesome artillery are probably about the limit...

Halfshell
2010-07-28, 08:13 PM
The only Vipers I'm interested in are the regular ones. Got an Air Viper or two on the way, plus the pilot version of the regular. And the funky Extreme Conditions releases. Beyond that, they can all pretty much **** off. What with Vipers, Blueshirts, Drivers, Officers, HISS Drivers, Crimson Guards, Snow Serpents, Tele Vipers and BATS there's no real point to Alley Vipers and Night Creepers and other things.

Though the Python Officer looks kinda nifty.

As far as Jinx goes, surely they just need to do some resculpting and retooling on one of the countless other NINJA toys they've done. Eightyseven different Storm Shadows, the Red Ninjas, the Red Ninja Commander Blokey, the Ninja Viper. How about the one people actually give a toss about?

Cliffjumper
2010-07-28, 08:17 PM
Yeh, the red ninjas especially are weird... I can buy a couple of specialists, but having a whole army of the buggers? No thanks.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-29, 04:46 PM
Today's arrivals: -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Baroness.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Baroness.jpg)

The Baroness - still not perfect. Much better sculpt than V9, but I do wish they hadn't done the silver... The original looks so much better, flat black catsuit apart from the Cobra logo.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_Doc.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=Doc.jpg)

Doc - yeh, a bit "meh" just because he's not an especially interesting fella. I like the way he's got a flaregun and a flarezooka - I bet kids around the world would keep the character's pacifist ideals with those babies. Not that anyone under 26 would be interested in owning Doc anyway...

Halfshell
2010-07-29, 05:39 PM
Ah, Doc. The only time he was ever cool and it turned out to be a synthoid.

Oh look, more came today!
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/Second5Joes.jpg
Neither Flint nor Duke can really hold their weapons in more than a "I'm holding this to look badass, please don't make me point it because I can't" way. I'm not sure Flint can hold his shotgun at all. Some force may be required to "remould" their hands.

And some others...
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/First5Cobra.jpg
It's pure coincidence that they all came on the same day.

Camera's being a bit fussy today. Might be the lighting. Might be that I've never actually read the instruction book. So pics aren't quite perfect, but they do the job.

All today's arrivals in one shot!
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/GroupShot.jpg

And, as the last Robot Hero came in the same shipment and I had my camera out, I thought I may as well grab this shot (http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/Dinobots.jpg) as well.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-29, 05:46 PM
Heh, awesome lot, I love it when stuff turns up on the same day and you just get overload. Upgrading to a gloved Flint myself - the non-gloved one can only really do the port arms pose or unconvincingly wave the thing by its' handle, for what it's worth, and tends to spend most of his time pointing his tiny pistol at people. If he's got gloves, though, he can thump people.

Still not sure what Cobra Commander's spinal holster is all about. Oh, and did your Zartan come with a backpack? If not, I had one sent with my Baroness for some reason. I would tell the seller about his mistake, but he seriously overcharged me shipping, so **** him.

Halfshell
2010-07-29, 05:56 PM
Yeah, when I saw the bit on the Commander's back, I was like "ooh, that's nifty." Then I tried it and thought "actually... er... no."

Zartan did indeed come with his backpack, but it looks rubbish attached so it's been filed. Along with Storm Shadow's wacky grappling hook, Destro's briefcase that he can't hold and the array of weapons that come with Flint despite him barely having hands. Oh, and Duke's binoculars.

I did get a v10 Beachhead as well, but he popped up in the toon I realised I wanted the closed vest one, so've since ordered the Hall of Heroes edition. So he'll be going spare.

Odd how some of the stands have two pegs and some only have one. I think I prefer the one pegs.

inflatable dalek
2010-07-29, 08:05 PM
I want King Grimlock.





[Luckily I caught the slight misspelling of "want" that would have made this post very different...]

Hound
2010-07-30, 04:38 AM
So here's my very dirty looking MOBAT w/ Steeler driving and Grand Slam riding along.
http://tfahound.zoomshare.com/files/007.JPG

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 06:33 AM
Nice - I actually like a bit o' dust on vehicles sometimes, it's not like they'd be getting washed every day.

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 07:48 AM
I love that it's called a MOBAT in-universe.

"And this, General... is the MOBAT."
"Awesome, soldier. What's the name stand for?"
"Motorised Battle Tank."
"Motorised?"
"That's right, sir."
"As in... it's got a motor?"
"Yes, sir."
"As opposed to what?"
"Sir?"
"What do the other tanks run off?"
"They don't."
"What?"
"The other tanks... are just to look cool, sir. This is the only model we have that can actually be driven."
"You have one working tank."
"Yes sir."
"I'm Zartan. Thanks for the info."

Cue Cliffy shouting at me because tank engines aren't motors, or something.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 08:51 AM
It's accepted that 'motor' is interchangable with 'engine' in most cases, if nothing else to stop ridiculous overuse of the word 'engine' in Grand Prix reports. At least it is by me.

It's the Cobra ones that always make me smile, the way they just through hoops so the acronym is FANG or CLAW or whatever. Just say Cobra Commander decided to call the helicopter a Fang and be done with it, for Christ's sake. You don't need to specify that it's Fully Armed unless there's the Semi Armed variety, the lesser known SANG, around to confuse people...

You've got lots of "Hey, look out for that F.A.N.G*!"

[* = Fully Armed Negator Gyrocopter]

to look forward to when those scans hit, matey. Thankfully, Harry will also explain what A.S.A.P. and other complex acronyms stand for, so you're in safe hands.

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 09:15 AM
Phew. That's a relief.

I'm glad they got round Cobra Flight Pods not having a silly acronym in the cartoon by just calling them something completely different that happened to rhyme.

JUMP is probably my favourite silly acronym so far.

I'd swear they only released six of the Best of 80s DVD packs, if not for the dozens upon dozens of loose Paratroopers on eBay... Ultra Rare Alpine my arse...

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 09:24 AM
Yeh, I've managed to find Quick Kick for about the standard rate rather than the extortionate amount most were selling him at (which made me hugely glad an offer I'd put in on another one was declined), but still nothing reasonably-priced on Alpine... Damn Chinese factory thieves and their Cobra leanings. I'd take the hit on the one figure on the grounds I've had good deals on enough others to excuse it, but the only ones on there seem to be in the possession of the "make up overseas shipping" brigade, doubling the already extortionate price...

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 09:32 AM
Yeah, I snapped up Quick Kick quite cheap this week. $3 shipping as well. Nice.

Looking on eBay at the mo, I can find one 25th Alpine (as implied, labelled "Ultra Rare... which is clearly bullshit, there's just less people willing to sell them) for $25. Which, y'know, I might be tempted by if not for the fact that the shipping offered is another $31.

Am more than willing to wait it out on the figure. Or find a reasonably priced DVD pack because I'm quite tempted by the Cobra Commander with the white stripe helmet and two usable hands (plus the fact it's a cheeky Movie Credits homage set).

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 09:40 AM
Yeh, way I'm looking at it is I've only been doing this for, what, 6 weeks, and I've wasted enough money by jumping the gun on some inferior versions and overpriced stuff, time to be logical. The DVD set does seem to be fetching a little bit, but like you I'm tempted by some of the odds and sods like Duke's jetpack (almost accidentally bought that version loose until I realised he's permanently yelling "YO JOE!"), the CLAW and the TV camera, while more Cobra troopers never hurt. Plus the Commander's faceplate seems to be chromed, and there's nothing finer than chrome on a toy.

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 09:47 AM
and there's nothing finer than chrome on a toy.

Words I believe Takara has carved in stone above the entrance to their sweatshop. I mean labour camp. I mean factory.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 03:54 PM
Jesus, I'm not sure how YoJoe managed to class the Cobra Paratrooper's parachute as removable... It might be with scissors.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 04:01 PM
Ahh, no, got it... Not exactly pop-on pop-off, though.

Hound
2010-07-30, 04:07 PM
Hey! Talk more about the great picture I took!!!

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 04:41 PM
Very tanky. Well done Hound. Yay Steeler. Et cetera.

I love it when stuff turns up on the same day and you just get overload.

Conversely nothing came today and I'm sad. :(

Hound
2010-07-30, 05:20 PM
I should be getting the HAL today and hopefully the weapons for my Hardhead today too. Yay!

I'm torn on whether or not I should get the VAMP and Clutch next or like 3 or 4 of the figures instead.

I'm planning to get all of the '82 figures and vehicles and stop there. It all depends on whether or not I can stop or whether or not i need to get a HISS tank, a Skystriker, the Wolverine and the WHALE.

I so wish that I'd been able to get that USS Flagg from that one guy a couple years back.

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 05:58 PM
I so wish that I'd been able to get that USS Flagg from that one guy a couple years back.

Mmm. Flagg. Seriously, can you imagine trying to post one of those nowadays?

Just found a loose 25th Cutter for $10 shipped. Nice. Not sure if the hook and handle are held together by string or not, but for a bit of string I'm really not fussed. Saves me having to buy one of those boxsets and break it up.

Huh. If I can track down a Grunt, I'll have all the original thirteen Joes in 25th form. Well, once the others arrive, obviously. Not sure how that happened so quickly.

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 06:45 PM
I'd love to own the Flagg, but seeing as I doubt it ever came out here the shipping alone would be insane. What I must look into is what sort of boats came out in The Corps - for quasi-realistic stuff I'm not so fussed about brands, I'd love a patrol boat for Shipwreck to putter up and down rivers in

A tip for the Skystriker is you need display space for the thing - it's a beautiful toy, but just huge to the point of actually being quite difficult to do much with it. I've barely touched mine, but then that might just be because of the embarrassment that is my shitty Ace.

Halfshell
2010-07-30, 06:55 PM
I've just been through and worked out exactly what and how many Cobra generics I've got on the way. I'm actually scared.

I won't say a number now, I'll just wait until they're all here and post a pic. Yay? :)

Cliffjumper
2010-07-30, 07:02 PM
Heh, awesome... I find my "won" section alone pretty terrifying.

I've taken a punt on the updated Airtight, having found one at not too extortionate a price... It was just kinda gnawing at me. I'm hoping that with the silver goggles left off and the possibility of maybe jury-rigging the original's backpack might have results, especially if he's a little bulkier like the G2 figures and looks a bit closer in size to Barbecue... If not, I'm sure I can sell him for enough to cover getting the little pipe I'm missing for the original.

Halfshell
2010-07-31, 01:59 PM
Heh, awesome... I find my "won" section alone pretty terrifying.

I don't think it's fair that they tally up how much you've spent. :/

What's the difference between the regular 80s figures and the "G2" stuff?

Sidenote: Stubborn patience and refusal to be extorted pays off! My eminently sensible losing bid that I put in on a Best of the 80s DVD Pack resulted in me being emailed a second chance offer this morning. Result!

Cliffjumper
2010-07-31, 09:32 PM
What's the difference between the regular 80s figures and the "G2" stuff?

The G2 stuff takes a bit more variety in body proportions and the like, but without improving the articulation. If you can find ones that weren't in screwed-around colours they look passable alongside 25th figures, but very much as a 'for now' space-filler. About the only one that really fits that particular niche is Cover Girl - most of the better ones are of the likes of Cobra Commander, Flint, Roadblock, Tunnel Rat, Destro, Scarlett and so on who have since been superseded by the 25th stuff.

Sidenote: Stubborn patience and refusal to be extorted pays off! My eminently sensible losing bid that I put in on a Best of the 80s DVD Pack resulted in me being emailed a second chance offer this morning. Result!

Nice one!

Today's arrivals:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_cover_girl3_t.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=cover_girl3_t.jpg)

Wolverine tank for Cover Girl... Missing the top for the launcher-thing, but it stays on anyway. And it is Canadian, on the off-chance Sades is still out there persevering.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_steeler3_t.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=steeler3_t.jpg)

Armadillo with Steeler. Very cute, quite inspired to keep an eye out for cheap RoC Steel Panthers for an army of them... Great thing is the bucket-cockpit seems to find just about any type of figure. Steeler himself is a bit meh, only the head and webbing being different to Breaker - might have to get the tan version after all (especially as it's close to the Sunbow version). The webbing's a bugger, tending to drift so the pistol is smack in the middle of his chest rather than under the shoulder.

I like the mid/small sized vehicles - they might lack the detail and realism of the larger ones (there can't possibly be space on the Armadillo for all the machinery necessary), but they're a lot more fun.

Halfshell
2010-07-31, 09:41 PM
About the only one that really fits that particular niche is Cover Girl

Ah, the DTC one? Not sure on the floppy hair. Plus she seems to be only for the rich. Typical model.

Have this evening taken a step on a slippery slope - buying original figures for characters not covered by the 25th range. Cover Girl, Jinx and Zartan's siblings.

As you say, the two Joe girls are tiny anyway, so can probably get away with hiding away in the back. Plus I find the notion of the former model being the short dumpy one to be quite funny.

The main problem is that now I'm tempted by the notion of Convention Big Lob. To nearly round out the movie recruits. Boo!

Cliffjumper
2010-07-31, 09:52 PM
The vintage stuff has a certain... daintiness to it that's quite endearing - something about the finish and uniform nature appeals. The G2 stuff falls between two stools, lacking that sort of vintage charm, while not as dynamic as the 25th gear. The vintage stuff displays alright next to 25th figures as long as you place them alright - Cover Girl looks fine next to Breaker, not so much next to Bazooka.

I seem to remember Jinx is tiny in continuity anyway - she's not a bad fit with Falcon or Beachhead. She starts off as a teenager in the comic before rapidly aging between issues too...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/th_jinx2.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ActionForce/?action=view&current=jinx2.jpg)

Halfshell
2010-07-31, 09:57 PM
Awh, he looks like he's drunk and trying it on.

So realistic!

ZOMG
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Cliffjumper
2010-07-31, 10:05 PM
You'll be onto Ironblood next, you watch. I'd have one myself, but in my mind he's Cobra Commander, and I've got one of those.

And yeh, I spent ages trying to get them into a sort of friendly, understated hug, but that was about the only one where he doesn't seem to be sexually assaulting her. If you've not got Falcon yet, he has Flint Hands :( Shotguns just don't seem to work on the 25th stuff - because the rest of the figure looks so natural, you can't get away with the one-handed use like you could with the older stuff.

inflatable dalek
2010-08-01, 03:05 AM
Armadillo

Did that name get reused for a character for does that tank actually out rank Flint and Beachhead?

And is it me or does the name Z Force imply they're a bit shit?

Halfshell
2010-08-01, 09:18 AM
Did that name get reused for a character for does that tank actually out rank Flint and Beachhead?

There's a tank called The Armadillo.

Later there was a character called Armadillo. Came packed with the Rolling Thunder, iirc.

And is it me or does the name Z Force imply they're a bit shit?

It means basically the same thing as The Ultimates, so take your pick.

Halfshell
2010-08-02, 05:16 PM
Ugh the Comic Pack Dreadnocks' accessories are awful.

Points for making the hose that connects Torch's acetylene torch to his backpack out of plastic rather than black hose, but it would help if it were long/flexible enough to actually get anywhere near his hand in a sensible position whilst plugged in. That's staying holstered/unplugged.

Ripper has groovy Jaws of Life, but they won't stay clipped onto the backpack and I have no clue what use the hose is meant to be. Hose and jaws to be filed. Shame. :/

Plastic's too rigid for them to stand straight on the stands, too. The unpegged leg just levitates up off the flat surface.

Crimson Twins are funky, though. Even if they can only just hold their guns (a common problem through the line, I'm noticing).

Air Trooper's cool, too. Shame he can't hold his standard rifle in his left hand whilst the aerocannon is plugged into the right. Two helmets and shaved head FTW.

Cliffjumper
2010-08-02, 05:22 PM
I do find I'm switching in a lot of older weapons on the 25th figures - the handles tend to be fatter and wedge in a lot better. Plus practically no-one can hold their mini holster pistols...

Got Scarlett today, and she doesn't seem to be able to hold anything. Silly cow.

Halfshell
2010-08-02, 05:46 PM
I got teh funky GI Joe greenshirts in the post today as well. Four weapons apiece. Four! Knife, pistol, machine gun, rifle... blimey charlie. Shame the variance in heads is offset by three different helmet designs, leaving it hit and miss as to getting the ****ers to stay on. Shame only the knife and pistol can be holstered and you need those silly translucent elastic bands for the machine guns to stay in place.

When Beachhead arrives, look forward to "hilarious" captioned photos of him drilling them and the threat that they'll need to do better than that if they ever want their own codename. Haha. So funny. :(

Cliffjumper
2010-08-02, 05:59 PM
That's one of my favourite issues, just because Beachhead is such a hard bastard... The bit where he points out they are going back for the one they lost but in an awesomely logical way is a great pay-off. The one where he's in charge of an obvious fan-favourite team of reservists (Mercer, Cover Girl, Tunnel Rat, Low-Light and Jinx IIRC - oh, for that one getting a 25th comic pack...) is pretty good as well.

EDIT: The original box for that set is weirdly similar to the half-arsed photo-comic I haven't bothered lettering, which is basically just Firefly beating up all of my Joes.

Halfshell
2010-08-02, 06:03 PM
That's one of my favourite issues

Bwuh?

Cliffjumper
2010-08-02, 06:07 PM
Oh. That's a bit freaky if you haven't got that far.
http://www.yojoe.com/comics/frontline/frontline17.shtml
I'd say spoilers, but that's basically the plot.

No, shit, don't read the full summary, it spoils the best bit...

Halfshell
2010-08-02, 06:12 PM
So my hylarious notion for a one-photo gag is essentially the entire plot of a Joe issue?

I'd be surprised, but the cartoon did give us that Viper joke episode, so anything's possible...

Cliffjumper
2010-08-02, 06:24 PM
Yeh, pretty much. It is a good joke, to be fair.

Halfshell
2010-08-02, 06:28 PM
Well it's one of mine, so blatantly.

Hound
2010-08-04, 04:44 AM
Finally got my HAL today. Here's a pic of all my G.I.Joes, taken with the crappy camera on my phone. Impressive, I know...http://tfahound.zoomshare.com/files/GIJoe.jpg

Halfshell
2010-08-04, 06:23 PM
I don't give a toss about the lack of harness, Dusty rocks. Yesyes.

Shame the BAT can't store three weapons in his backpack, though nice of them to put a hole in the underside for the spare hand. Shame he can't actually hold the big ****-off missile launcher, though.

Serpentor cool. I don't know about feet pegging into the Air Chariot when it arrives, I had a difficult enough time getting the bloody stand into the hole under his foot. Can't grip his scepter very well either.

I have no idea what I'm going to do with Montezuma's Skeleton. Kitbash it into a Lowlight? Airtight? Footloose? Some weapons for Grand Slam? Pass.

Anybody want a (presumably) R1 DVD release of the Arise Serpentor mini?

Oh yeah, nice pic Hound.

[EDIT] Correction! The BAT can hold the missile launcher! It's just he can only hold it in the "spare" hand, as opposed to the one the packaging style wants you to have it in. Some simple limb and attachment switching later et voila! Is done.

Cliffjumper
2010-08-04, 06:54 PM
Dusty is awesome - I had a hell of a time getting his tunic skirt bit and backpack straps on (I'm guessing it was already on yours, seeing as you bought the set rather than the odd figure from a factory thief), but I can't envision any real reason to take them back off, so...

What I'm trying to work out is why his name is an anagram of some Hasbro designer, but IIRC they just used the designer's name in the cartoon...

Halfshell
2010-08-04, 07:02 PM
No backpack straps at all, as due to some Hasbro glitch only the later releases of the set actually included the harness. Or something. Basically, most of them don't. Yay. Helmet skirt thing was already attached, though.

Took some effort (by effort I mean my penknife) to get his helmet off as it was on too tight and at a stupid angle. Love that, whilst the goggles come off, they actually do sit comfortably on the helmet rather than falling off the moment you touch them (I'm looking at you, stupidhanded Viper).

Far as I can ascertain, the character's filecard was always Tadur... cartoon reversed it because, er, no idea really. Making a big deal of addressing a character by their filename only works when it is actually their filename. Bonkers (in a Dizzee Rascal stylee).

Have just caved and bought a Croc Master and some Lampreys (along with a Paraviper, just to see if he's not shit once you take all the silly accessories off him).

Cliffjumper
2010-08-04, 07:25 PM
Yay I have RARE DUSTY. Sorry, not his towel, the actual bottom of his tunic around his waist - it's technically removable, but as I say not sure why anyone would bother. Was initially slightly gutted the goggles can't be worn, but it's a fair trade-off for them fitting on his head. I also can't remember the guy ever slapping the things on regardless of what was going on.

Maybe the name in the cartoon is a cunning second-level codename? It's about the only reason I can think of for his real name being broadcast worldwide at the drop of a hat... Despite the massive cop-out I love "Traitor". Because it's full of Dusty. He's uber-cool on the few occasions he gets used in the Marvel comic, too.

Halfshell
2010-08-04, 07:32 PM
I like to think of it as "a secret tip-off to the viewer that he hasn't really defected because he hasn't given Cobra his real name". Though I think the twist being obvious probably undermines that.

But then they did leave Steeler, Grunt and Clutch in the AU, so who knows.

Ah, the little beltskirt thing. Yeah, that was already attached.

Where do people stand on buying something from a seller on eBay, then getting a note through saying "sorry, it's out of stock"? Normally I'd be tempted to NF, but they didn't take my money. But then it was listed and said more than 10 available. But I've bought other stuff from them that I have paid for and hasn't been shipped yet...

I've emailed asking if it's coming back, but no response as yet.

Cliffjumper
2010-08-04, 07:50 PM
Urgh, it'd piss me off quite a bit, I will say that - you list it, you should have it baring the occasional "shit, it's been in a box for a month and now I've got it out to send it turns out a bit's crumbled" freak accident. TBH, ebay's ludicrously buyer-biased system means you should be able to make the guy squirm a bit... The only thing to think about would be "Are you going to want something else off him in the future?"...

Halfshell
2010-08-04, 07:54 PM
Maybe. I'm going to at least wait until I've received the stuff that I have paid for. My endgame really depends on what he says in response to the "well are you getting more?" question.

Not naming names, but it was the batch of five Paratroopers from a faraway land. He has pulled the listing though, so at least he's not still roping people in. It's possible he just genuinely overestimated how many sets he'd got. Or did a private sale and I nipped in before he had the chance to delist it. Still not on, though.

Cliffjumper
2010-08-04, 08:23 PM
Ahhh, I know the one - it's where I got my Paras from, couldn't work out why the thing had switched to Ended in my Watch List. If it's any help with the stuff you've paid for, I've had two batches of figures off him with few problems.

Halfshell
2010-08-04, 08:26 PM
Oh, I don't envisage there being any problems with the ones I've ordered (five Eels and five Air Troopers)... if he was a crook he'd have taken the money and not said anything. I'm just wary of getting into an argument with him before the ones I have paid for get sent.

Halfshell
2010-08-05, 05:49 PM
Ooh, 20something figures collected today. Yarrr.

Fun facts!

The Crimson Guards have the most useless holsters ever.

The Vipers are officially ****ing awful. Not only are their hands rubbish but the goggles fall off their head if you so much as look at the buggers. Shame. They look cool, but they're completely useless on a practical level. The v19 Air Trooper version is marginally better, but not quite there.

The actual Air Viper, however, is ****ing awesome.

Doc is cool.

Gung-Ho has a rather loose right leg and Roadblock's display stand. Wacky. Ne'er mind.

Lookee picture!
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/LoadofCobras.jpg

Ignore the big space in the middle - there is more stuff on the way to fill that up. Oh yes.

[EDIT]
Just to give an idea of scale...
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz152/melonbrainz/GIJ25/TMNT.jpg