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Hound
2010-10-03, 07:48 PM
I think I'm going to try and watch some of the Gundam cartoons. You've watched most if not all of them right?

I've got the first 10 episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam and haven't watched them yet. They're subtitled, is that how you watched them?

I'm probably going to stick to the main (U.C.) continuity at first. From what I gathered there's 4 main series (Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, Gundam ZZ and Victory Gundam) and then some short series and movies in between. Anything in there stick out as just awful or are they all worth a watch?

Then there's G Gundam, the Gundam Wing series, Gundam X, Turn A Gundam, the Gundam SEED series and Gundam 00. Any of those you could recommend I avoid?

I guess it doesn't have to be just Cliffy to reply here but he's the one I know for sure is familiar with all this. If anyone else can help me out with some advice feel free to chime in...

Cliffjumper
2010-10-03, 08:44 PM
I only really did the UC stuff myself, plus the sort-of UC if you want it to be Turn A Gundam.

I watched the first series in the dub - while apparently it's slightly inferior to the subs, but it's still IMO very good, fully professional with some quality talent. Zeta's avaliable with a professional dub too, which again is very good, though it's by a different studio and all the retuning characters have different VAs.

I enjoy both Gundam (which everyone but me calls Gundam 0079) and Zeta more as the movie trilogies - it cuts out a lot of the crap. TBH, both suffer a bit from the lead kid being pretty much unlikeable, but both have a lot of other stuff going for them. The original is a bit slower, seeming especially directionless between about the fifth and 20th episode, but if the characters have grabbed you by then it can still be good. The original also doesn't look much better than, say, G.I. Joe, art-wise.

The third series, ZZ Gundam, is a bit of an acquired taste. The first half is a lot more light-hearted - I like it, it's nice to have a less whiny lead and for things to be taken a bit less serious, but it's not for everyone. It's also actually fairly inessential - plans to have the two original leads in the thing were aborted when they got the go-ahead for Char's Counterattack.

Char's Counterattack is superb, a really great mecha film, but it works best when you've seen at least the first series (or film trilogy).

Victory Gundam is the only UC one which left me cold... It's set a fair time further on in the timeline, with little connection to any of the rest of it (Char's Counterattack ties off the real meat of the continuity nicely in my mind), and is packed with largely unlikeable, derivative characters. It also ups the body count considerably, but because you don't care about the characters it doesn't matter.

Turn A Gundam takes a sort-of Beast Wars/Dreamwave approach to the various timelines, grabbing whichever bits it wants, but it's basically in its' own continuity, with the references more like easter eggs for fans. It's got a largely different tone to the UC stuff, a lot less grim without being outright light-hearted - it's probably best to sum it up as generally optimistic. It's another that some people like and some really don't - I think it's one of the most beautiful series ever made (I cried at the end, genuinely), but it is a slow burner.

Most (if not all) Gundam series tend to fall into a bit of a lull after the first few episodes until midway through, where there's not an awful lot happening in plot terms, but the characters get built on. If the characters grab you, it's good stuff, if they haven't it can be tedious.

And all the 1980s ones suffer from annoying comic relief toddlers. They're not usually in it much, usually just a wacky scene or two an episode, but they are annoying and they are in there without much to redeem them.

Also, it would be remiss of me not to mention Ideon as an "if you like Gundam, try this too" - it's by the same chap who did the UC Gundam stuff, and is summed up as the Gundam universe and storyline but with a preposterously overpowered Voltron-style robot dropped into it.

I can probably source online versions of most, if not all, of this if needs be...

Cliffjumper
2010-10-03, 08:53 PM
I forgot about 08th - it's a mini-series set in and around the first series (but made later), and is pretty superb, showing the adventures of a grunt-level mecha team. It works best when you've seen the other stuff, though.

Recommended viewing order:

Mobile Suit Gundam (either series or film trilogy)
Zeta Gundam (ditto)
Char's Counterattack

Then 08th out of sequence for maximum contrast to CCA. Then Turn A, then ZZ if you fancy it.

ZZ, Turn A and Victory haven't had any official Western releases; there are Hong Kong sets with subs, but the subs are terrible. Thankfully, fansubs can be found to download fairly easily.

secretcode
2010-10-03, 10:22 PM
Mobile Suit Gundam (either series or film trilogy)
Zeta Gundam (ditto)
Char's Counterattack

I agree with this 100%. Also, stay away from SeeD and 00. Both have really bad pacing, and after 6-7 episodes of both, you feel like you already seen all the shows have to offer. And it's pretty close.

Rattrap's tail
2010-10-03, 10:36 PM
If only they had made Crossbone Gundam into an anime....

the_escaflowne_2k
2010-10-04, 09:25 PM
Aside from what has been posted already, Wing is alright if you can get passed the initial indecision of how they were going to progress the characters and a pretty disagreeable main, it has some design high lights for me and the follow up movie is beautifully animated at times.
SEED is passable, the look was struggling with it's new use of digital animation, the characters are annoying and badly designed and pretty much every episode has three flashbacks due to the extra digital animation costs.
SEED Destiny I can't comment but as a direct sequel to the above released shortly after I wouldn't hold high hopes.
00 If you can get through to episode 15 the next 9 are amazing (the last 1 less so mind), the mech animation i amazing (character less so) and the characters aren't actually that annoying.

Personally, 08th MS Team is brilliant throughout and it would be my recommendation.

Hound
2010-10-07, 03:58 PM
I'm 6 episodes in and I love it. The animations is pretty much like Robotech or Voltron, which is certainly better, well more consistent, than TF or GIJoe. The story is fantastic so far. I'm watching the Japanese audio with subtitles which makes the little kids not really annoying at all really. Their strange little Japanese sounds are actually amusing to me.

I was amazed by how many people you see get slaughtered in this thing. Right from the beginning people are dying and then the Gundam takes out two bad guys brutally. Very serious stuff, very adult.

I actually have the first 2 DVDs of Gundam Wing, which I bought back in like '99, and when I watched them I really couldn't understand what was going on. So what I really like most about Mobile Suit Gundam is that the plot is pretty clear from the start. You know who the good guys are, who the bad guys are, why each side is fighting and what for. It's nice to have that and it's nice to have a bad guy that's not a complete **** up, even though he's not exactly winning he's still a genuine threat. After watching GIJoe and Transformers for the last couple months it's a nice change of pace.

So I bought the DVD set off Ebay. It was pretty inexpensive and it's got the english audio too if I want to see what that's all about. I figure it's worth owning probably...

Cliffjumper
2010-10-07, 05:11 PM
Mmm, I really love the first few episodes. If you've not seen much like that (like I hadn't), it's the thought put into it - like Amuro scything a Zaku in half dramatically only for the thing to explode and blow a hole in the colony wall, which when you stop and think about it makes perfect sense when you imagine the sort of powerplant something like that would have to have, or the way he blows through all his ammo in ten seconds flat. I've always loved little touches like the pink goo they release when there's a hull puncture on the White Base. It's reassuring that someone's actually sat down and thought about stuff like this, rather than just making them planes or naval ships but in space.

I personally find it drags a little bit from around the time the White Base arrives back in Earth orbit to it actually making it back to Federation lines - Char takes a step back and there are other Zeon commanders and it gets a bit repetitive for a few episodes, plus Amuro gets a bit more annoying for a while and it all coincidences with screentime being given to some of the preposterous features Clover had grafted onto various toys (most of which are counter-intuitive to the realism), but it all comes back together nicely. More of a blip than a full-on decline.

Never thought about the kids from a dub/sub point of view... though now I think about it, it could be the reason why the kids in Ideon (who are basically the same characters) don't bother me in the least. Mind, the last tiem I did try and watch it in subs I got mighty confused by the large number of voice actors they both share...

The first series tends to get a lot of back-handed criticism, due to the suits not being as OTT as later stuff or the animation being relatively dated, but I really don't see it, and finds it stands up better than any of the other "full" series with the exception of Turn A.

I tried going back and watching Wing after seeing the UC stuff and it still didn't grab me - the heroes are too whiny and dull (Duo Maxwell being the exception - he feels like he's fallen into the show from a different series), the whole thing's too pious and it does nothing any of the others don't... It's main plus points seem to be being full of very pretty badasses with very pretty, easy to remember mobile suits and being very easy to follow. It was a great choice for kicking off Bandai properly launching Gundam in the West to an audience larger than Animephiles and Gokin buyers, but now it's done the hard work there's no real need to go back and revisit it.

Blaster
2010-10-08, 03:14 AM
Gundam Wing is apparently in the process of being remade.

secretcode
2010-10-08, 01:47 PM
In Manga form, yes. Basically it's an alternate telling with all the EW Suits being used instead.

Hound
2010-10-24, 09:47 PM
Just finished Mobile Suit Gundam.

Wow, they didn't hold back with people getting shot in the head did they?

All in all I really loved it, though all the "New Type" stuff in the last several episodes I found myself cringing at. It lost a bit of the realism for me when it started giving characters super-powers.

What I really liked most was stuff like Amuro not wanting to fight in a war and deserting for a bit. Amuro's whole journey as a Gundam pilot I felt was done really well. I felt Ryu's death was handled very well too, the way all the characters mourned him and all that.

I was a little confused by Slegger and Mirai suddenly in love after he slaps her around though.

Still it was a lot of fun. Now I'm going to have to figure out whether to watch 08th MS Team or Zeta Gundam next.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-24, 11:43 PM
Zeta is Newtype heavy, if that tips the scales - it starts off not touching it much, but by the middle of the season it basically takes over; however, the gradual return of much of the Mobile Suit cast is a real pleasure. 08th focuses on a very ordinary grunt team - relative to Mobile Suit, the action's not as spectacular (for the most part, though one episode does whip out what's probably the best fight scene in the whole franchise) and the plot's not as expansive.

I could never really figure out what Sleggar was for - he pops up, is a bit of a dick for a few episodes, dies without having changed much.

Hound
2010-10-25, 03:32 AM
I downloaded the Zeta Gundam movies. I figure I'll watch those then decide whether I want to buy the series or not after but I'll definitely watch the 08th MS Team series right after the Zeta Gundam movies regardless.

You know what pissed me off about the DVD set I got? It had the Japanese audio but the English subtitles were shit. Like I don't even see how you could call them English, they were that bad. It's like someone who spoke no english whatsoever plugged the Japanese into some online translator and cut and paste whatever words came up.

The episodes I downloaded had terrific subtitles. Makes me wish I'd just watched the whole series that way. Still, the English dub was mostly good and I still got a chuckle from the children even in English. They were funny.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-25, 08:15 AM
Ahh - Hong Kong set, by th sounds of it. This is the main eason I got used to watching the dubs.

Hound
2010-10-25, 03:11 PM
I watched the first Zeta movie last night and it was great.

This means I'm going to buy the series, oh my poor wallet.

It's not the concept of new types that bothers me. It's just that the way it just suddenly comes up in the last handful of episodes seems to undermine Amuro's accomplishments as a Mobile Suit pilot. You watch him go from barely being able to get the Gundam to stand up to taking out the best pilots the Zeons have and then find out it's because he's got special powers.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-25, 04:55 PM
Yeh, that aspect is annoying... But trust me, the concept does get more irritating in Zeta, especially when the Titans send a seemingly endless string of unbalanced Newtype Cyndi Lauper-a-likes after Kamille. Mind, the Movies might spare you a lot of slack... It's been a while since I saw them and I can't really remember what was series and what was film.

The first Zeta movie is superb, though - I really, really like the reintroductions of Amuro, Kai and Hayato (plus, of course, Quattro). It's my favourite part of the series, simply the rebels against the Titans, really nicely done.

Fun fact: Sayla isn't in the series (well, with any lines) because her voice actress wasn't avaliable for recording, and recasting is considered a big no-no in Japan. So the series was rewritten not to feature Sayla. Completely different mindset.

Hound
2010-10-25, 07:09 PM
Fun fact: Sayla isn't in the series (well, with any lines) because her voice actress wasn't avaliable for recording, and recasting is considered a big no-no in Japan. So the series was rewritten not to feature Sayla. Completely different mindset.She, Yō Inoue, was on safari in Africa. Sayla does have a speaking role in the 3rd movie, which they used an archived recording of Yō Inoue's voice for because she'd died in 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mobile_Suit_Zeta_Gundam_characters#Others

Cliffjumper
2010-10-25, 08:30 PM
Mmm, she also voiced Sheryl in Ideon, which is a big factor in why I can't watch the subs. She's a very very good voice actor. It's just amazing compared to the regular recasting you get in Western animation - you wouldn't expect a major character to be omitted just because the original actor wasn't avaliable (e.g. can you imagine them rewriting TF Season 3 just because the original Cyclonus guy died?).

Sayla does make a silent cameo in the original series, IIRC. In-universe, though, it's very strange that such a major character just basically disappears

Hound
2010-10-25, 09:27 PM
Hmm, didn't they nix plans for Cliffjumper to show up in season 3 because Kasem quit?

They did actually recast Four Murasame and Fa Yuiry for the Zeta Gundam movies though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Zeta_Gundam#Compilation_movies
They don't say why though...

Cliffjumper
2010-10-26, 04:09 AM
I dunno, you hear it about Cliffjumper (and Jazz, what with Scatman Crothers), but when you consider their toys were long-gone and Season 3 ignores the majority of the pre-Movie cast (I mean, Bumblebee who shipped again in the 1986 series and was one of the leads of the first two years ends up with about six lines the whole season) I really can't see that they'd have been given much to do anyway - certainly not enough to justify signing both actors on, anyway.

Hound
2010-10-26, 05:18 AM
In-universe, though, it's very strange that such a major character just basically disappearsI'm just excited that any of the original cast was carried over. I was all giddy when I saw that Mirai and Bright were married and astounded when I realized that Fraw and Hayato were married. I love that the characters get to be more than just a cameo at all really. I didn't expect to see any of them in any major roles in this cartoon.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-26, 01:48 PM
Mmm, and it's nice the way they're used as well - they're not revered for their efforts in the war - Amuro's basically kept in an open prison, Bright's an outsider in the military and so on. At the same time I like the way they're all used sensibly - Mirai, for example, has no great desire to get back to military operations.

Hound
2010-10-28, 04:32 PM
Ok I finished the three movies.

I found myself confused all during the last battle though. It's actually really hard to keep track of who's who when they're speaking Japanese and wearing the space suit helmets and the mobile suits aren't drastically different.

Especially the girls. "Ok wait, is that Fa?"

It was easier when it was just Amuro, Kai, Sayla and Hayato against Char and maybe one or two other bad guys that matter.

That and you've got not just two factions fighting. Three, and you're supposed to keep track of who's attacking who and who's helping who.

All very confusing. I hope it's easier to follow in the slowed down pace of the series.

I downloaded the first episode of 08th MS Team. A lot of swearing and the promise of substantial nudity in the next episode. So, this one, not for kids then?

the_escaflowne_2k
2010-10-28, 05:03 PM
Nudity, lasts about 30 seconds and never occurs again throughout. Swearing is a bit more recurrent, but never shocking. The story overal is handled in a more subdued slowed down and mature way than other series, which I think is due to the fact it was aimed at those who watched the original series when it came so the handling of the series had matured at least somewhat with the audience.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-28, 05:17 PM
Yeh, it was an OVA series (i.e. straight-to-DVD, though generally a bit classier than the connotation usually brings up) and they tend to be much more adult-orientated for the most part - a number (08th among them) tend top revolve around the events of the One-Year War in Gundam.

08th is very character-based and in some respects is a bit of a slow-burner, but it's really worth it.

Sunstreaker2
2010-10-29, 12:27 AM
I've seen EVERYTHING except SEED/Destiny, Turn A, and X at this point.

I'm not a big UC fan. I like certain aspects of Zeta, and I like ZZ, but CCA fills me with lots of rage, F91 just feels very incomplete, and after a while I just couldn't bear to watch Victory any more.

I wanted to like the Zeta movies, but the schizophrenic changes in animation quality really put me off.

Jaynz
2010-10-29, 06:33 PM
I watched the first Zeta movie last night and it was great.

Warning about the Zeta movies. The ending of the three movies is very very different from how the series ends. I mean, totally mind-****ingly different. Oddly, Bandai considers the movies 'canon' except the ending, which the canon is the television series. (This is so Double Zeta can still exist.)

Jaynz
2010-10-29, 06:45 PM
I've seen EVERYTHING except SEED/Destiny, Turn A, and X at this point.

I've heard good things about X, but I haven't seen it yet, myself. I just have the Leopard model kit, but it screams of Gundam Heavy Arms to me... so... maybe it's my inner Wing fan drawn to the designs.

I actually liked SEED, though there's a bit in the second-quarter of the series that slogs on with Kira going all emo for a bit. The series gets a lot better once the ship is really involved in the war and some of the serious shit that happens after that point makes it one of the best Gundams in the franchise. But, like I said, sitting through Kira's early drama gets a bit taxing.

SEED Destiny suffers from a lot of back-stage issues (more drama in Sunrise's offices than on the show!) but it works a lot better when you realize that Shinn Asuka is NOT the hero of the show. The back-stage debacles resulted in a handful of completely different writing teams, all with their own takes on what to do with Shinn, who never really gets redeemed as a character. It's a pretty deliberate retelling of Zeta and parts of it works better than others.

Both SEED and SEED Destiny's easy to get a hold of now, so I would recommend it for the dollar. The movie sets cut out a lot of the stronger second-tier characters, unfortunately, but the change in focus for the SEED Destiny movies may help you get through that part of the franchise if you find yourself just wanting to kill Shinn early on.

Anyway, new (sub-only) releases of Turn A and X are coming next year, so you may want to hold off until then. Rumors of ZZ getting an official release persist, but nothing concrete yet.

I'm not a big UC fan. I like certain aspects of Zeta, and I like ZZ, but CCA fills me with lots of rage, F91 just feels very incomplete, and after a while I just couldn't bear to watch Victory any more.

Char's Counterattack is a six-episode OVA series that got squished into a single movie. That's really why the pacing is just so awful and why certain characters just seem so bizzare. The magna (though it has some canon issues) is infinitely more popular for a reason.

F91 was originally going to be a 39 episode series and, when the decision was made to make it a movie instead, some idiot decided to crib scenes from the outline and throw them together into a movie. This, obviously, does not work.

Victory, for its part, was Bandai's attempt to make Gundam more 'youth friendly' and the entire series was pushed that way. I haven't seen the second half, but I've been told that once that is out of the system, the series actually gets pretty good.

Jaynz
2010-10-29, 06:48 PM
Sayla does make a silent cameo in the original series, IIRC. In-universe, though, it's very strange that such a major character just basically disappears

Sayla appears in Z, ZZ, and Char's Counterattack in cameos. She's very important in the ZZ series, oddly enough, since she's the one who looks over Leina. (This is also odd, as she has little dialog and shows up with little acknowledgment of who the hell she is!). The other cameos are just reaction shots to news about either Amuro or Char.

Hound
2010-10-29, 08:12 PM
I downloaded 6 episodes of MS IGLOO and watched about a minute of the first episode before deciding I didn't like the animation and turned it off.

Can anyone speak on whether I should bother with it?

I mean I probably will because it's just 9 episodes in total but I wonder if there's anything redeemable about it.

Jaynz
2010-10-29, 09:00 PM
Can anyone speak on whether I should bother with it?

I have not watched it and I couldn't quite get into it myself. I really can't pun down exactly why, I just wasn't 'gripped'. The fans of IGLOO like it because it's more of a grounded story and is from the Zeon point of view. I'm not really sure what it adds to the UC other than that... but at least it isn't ANOTHER secret Gundam project for the OYW.

Cliffjumper
2010-10-29, 10:02 PM
Ok I finished the three movies.

I found myself confused all during the last battle though. It's actually really hard to keep track of who's who when they're speaking Japanese and wearing the space suit helmets and the mobile suits aren't drastically different.

Especially the girls. "Ok wait, is that Fa?"

It was easier when it was just Amuro, Kai, Sayla and Hayato against Char and maybe one or two other bad guys that matter.

That and you've got not just two factions fighting. Three, and you're supposed to keep track of who's attacking who and who's helping who.

All very confusing. I hope it's easier to follow in the slowed down pace of the series.

I didn't want to post any spoilers before, but to me the introduction of Neo Zeon or whatever they were called is the point where Zeta really goes off the rails - not just for confusion reasons, it just treads on the decent Titans plot and basically muscles the first half of the series out of the way for little gain.

Jaynz
2010-10-29, 10:08 PM
I didn't want to post any spoilers before, but to me the introduction of Neo Zeon or whatever they were called is the point where Zeta really goes off the rails - not just for confusion reasons, it just treads on the decent Titans plot and basically muscles the first half of the series out of the way for little gain.

True, but that was because Tomino (?) wanted to really push Char's Counterattack, and that's not coincidentally right when approval for that project went through. He had to 'reset the series' to the story he really wanted to tell, so the entire second half of Zeta turned into a 'kill them all' effort to get everything out of the way for CCA.

This is made even a bit more blatant in ZZ...

Sunstreaker2
2010-10-30, 01:36 AM
The biggest problem I always had with Zeta was the pacing. It's AWFUL.

Episode after episode passes with nothing really happening, characters disappear for huge stretches at a time or are FORGOTTEN ENTIRELY (where the hell did Beltorchika and Kai go?) and other characters seem just plain unnecessary (Rosamia, anyone?), which means their presence drags down the plot.

Oh well, it did give us the total awesomeness that is Yazan Gable, that guy with the big blond pompadour and the Hawaiian shirt who either indirectly or directly kills everyone who dies at the end of Zeta except for Scirocco!

Hound
2010-11-04, 12:27 AM
Well, my Zeta Gundam DVD sets just arrived and I've got 08th MS Team and Char's Counterattack on DVD that should be here by monday. So if I'm looking to stay with the UC timeline (for now) where do I want to go next?

Sunstreaker2
2010-11-04, 02:29 AM
Well, my Zeta Gundam DVD sets just arrived and I've got 08th MS Team and Char's Counterattack on DVD that should be here by monday. So if I'm looking to stay with the UC timeline (for now) where do I want to go next?

ZZ is streaming on many a site and has torrents available, and once the initial silliness gets out of the way it's excellent. The ending's less dismal than Zeta's too.

Hound
2010-11-09, 04:18 PM
Ok I just realized that Char's Counterattack takes place after Double Zeta. So will Char's Counterattack spoil anything when I watch it first?

I'm about a 3rd through Zeta Gundam and it's been good. As good as I thought the first Zeta movie was I think I prefer the extra information you get watching the series.

So I think my plan is this:
Finish Zeta
then Char's Counterattack
then 08th MS Team
then MS IGLOO
then War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory
then Gundam ZZ
then Unicorn and F91
and watch Victory Gundam last

From there I'll have another go at Gundam Wing. At least watch the 2 DVDs I have and see how I feel about it and then either finish it or watch Turn A.

Jaynz
2010-11-09, 04:53 PM
Very little in Char's Counterattack will spoil anything about Double Zeta. (Double Zeta overly neatly-wraps-up that entire era, actually, and even gets most of the key cast 'out of the way' so as not to interfere with CCA's story).

Hound
2010-11-09, 06:56 PM
So who's watched War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory? No one's mentioned them. Any good?

Oh and Unicorn?

Jaynz
2010-11-09, 07:12 PM
So who's watched War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory? No one's mentioned them. Any good?

War in the Pocket is okay, with some good characters (and the Alex design is a nice Gundam update). The major downside with it is just how insanely anvilicious it gets with the 'war is evil' message. This is, of course, a message prevalent in all of Gundam, but War in the Pocket really takes this to a ridiculous extreme at points.

Stardust Memory is the 'bridge' between the One Year War and the events of Zeta. It's decent enough but a little rough and you have to swallow a lot of disbelief due to the sheer amount of Gundam programs introduced through it. It nicely sets up the Titans as well as some very disturbing events in both Zeta and Double Zeta, however.

Oh and Unicorn?

Haven't yet seen this one, as I'm waiting for it to finish first. :)

Hound
2010-11-30, 09:36 PM
I finally finished Zeta Gundam and Char's Counterattack.

What I really like best about these were just how beautifully they were animated.

I do prefer the Zeta series over the movies. The last series of battles are a whole lot easier to follow that way and it helps that they were in english too.

The only thing I didn't get was the Axis were helping the AEUG against the Titans and then at the start of an episode the AEUG is being attacked by the Axis. I felt like I'd missed the part of the story where Axis turns on the AEUG. Which I suppose could have happened, I'm sure I zoned out a couple times watching 50 episodes of cartoons.

As for the movie, Quess was a little twat huh? I was hoping for something more of a moment when she got killed. Little bitch.

Hathaway was an idiot, poor moron should've been killed without much notice from anyone.

A little jarring Char going from really a good guy to a complete bastard. Is he in ZZ at all? Do we get to see him taking over Zeon?

I think I'm going to take a break from Gundam for a bit before watching 08th MS Team. I don't want to burn out on all of this.

Cliffjumper
2010-11-30, 09:49 PM
No, neither him nor Amuro are in ZZ - Bright is, Hayato is, Kamille is and (IIRC) Fa is, plus maybe Astronage and a couple of lesser lights (I've yet to watch it all the way through, and haven't seen any of it for a while, though the Amuro/Char thing is fact, despite them being in the start titles). So no, we've just basically got to assume Char's decided to get nasty as the AEUG thing didn't make any long-term difference to the way Earth was being run. Apparently Tomino planned to have them both in ZZ but cut them when CCA was green-lighted, though I'm not entirely sure why they couldn't be in both, and there's a feeling we've missed a big chunk of the story (not just for Char, but for Amuro suddenly being back in the saddle with an elite federation unit).

And yeh, I think I said it up-thread, but Neo-Zeon suddenly folding in to Zeta really screws the thing. It feels like the Titans plot (which is generally much better) never really gets dealt with properly, despite Scirocco still ebing the main bastard.

I despise Quess and Hathaway... the whole pointless subplot drags CCA down from being a five-star Be Invoked-level epic to being a bit more uneven. And it's a shame because just about every other part of it (apart from Char's VA mispronouncing "Titans" in the middle of a grand speech, which always makes me laugh and spoils the mood) is superb - the Char/Amuro duels are epic, there's the superb intro for the v-Gundam where it turns back a Zeon attack from the other side of space (possibly missing Corin Nander screaming "GUUUUNDAAAAM!", though that probably would have caused major continuity errors... well, more major continutiy errors as I don't think we were ever given half an explanation for Corin...), the random grunt going "We're not going to let Londo Bell take all the credit!", ****ing awesome stuff.

Tomino sadly has a bit of a habit of needlessly shoving annoying children into a lot of things - Hathaway's basically... name's gone... runt moron from Zeta who dies comically flying into an asteroid - was it Katz or the other one... and you think right, that's it, the annoying guy's gone now, but you get a new one. Like when you're watching Zeta and thinking "Hey, isn't it great not having three annoying kids around the whole time?" and then three get stuffed in with the AEUG for no reason.

Sunstreaker2
2010-12-01, 10:54 PM
Great, I get to be the one guy in existence who doesn't hate Quess. :p

I never liked CCA, the actual Amuro Vs. Char stuff seemed too short, and so many of the characters were flat out brainless.

Especially Hathaway "Murdering Comrades is Okay!" Noa, and Gyunei "I Can Totally Have Char's Girl!" Guss.

Plus Chan was really really boring. I wish they would have just kept Beltorchika around.

Jaynz
2010-12-03, 11:26 PM
Chan was originally going to be Char's sister.. no idea why that didn't stick. It's even mentioned twice in Zeta, making this sudden 'new' love interest all the more confusing. (She would have been more of the center of conflict as her husband and brother, both of whom she had strong loyalties, were busy trying to kill one another...)

Quess is better in the frackin' Dynasty Warrior game. :P

Hathaway is probably the most worthless character in all of Gundam. I actually can't think of a worse one, including the annoying kids.

Sunstreaker2
2010-12-04, 04:07 AM
What about Katz?

He's up there.

Jaynz
2010-12-04, 04:08 AM
What about Katz?

He's up there.

Katz is pretty damn close, but Hathaway manages to beat him out in sheer dumbassery. (Katz doesn't actually MURDER HIS PARTNER for saving his life...)

Hound
2010-12-20, 09:18 AM
I finished 08th MS Team and watched the first 3 eps of MS IGLOO.

I liked 08th MS Team but I think I actually prefer the more epic feel of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam.

MS IGLOO has been pretty damn cool though so far. It's told form the perspective of a Zeon unit during the One Year War and it's pretty damned good. I still don't care for the look of it all but the story makes up for it. Char's even in it for a second or two...

Sunstreaker2
2010-12-20, 12:10 PM
I need to go back to my masochistic quest to watch the SEEDverse.

I went movie with Destiny because 8 hours of Shinn is infinitely more survivable than 25 hours of Shinn.

Hound
2011-02-03, 02:04 AM
I finished watching all the MS IGLOO series.

The first six were all from the Zeon POV and they were awesome. It's this crew of engineers and rookies whose job it is to evaluate experimental weapons. It follows them through these test missions at pivotal moments in the one-year-war. Very tragic stuff. Lots of death. I didn't care for the CG animation but otherwise it was brilliant.

The final 3 episodes were from the Federation POV and had some weird "Death God" entity thing. It was all very weird. Not bad, just a little too out there for my taste.

miked23
2011-02-03, 08:10 PM
I finished 08th MS Team and watched the first 3 eps of MS IGLOO.

I liked 08th MS Team but I think I actually prefer the more epic feel of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam.


08th MS Team was really good, Probably my favorite series next to Wing.

Have you seen War in the Pocket?

Hound
2011-02-03, 08:53 PM
08th MS Team was really good, Probably my favorite series next to Wing.

Have you seen War in the Pocket?I haven't, but I've got that and Stardust Memory on DVD coming. Should be here monday.

Then I've just got to get through ZZ and Victory and I'll be all done with the UC cartoons.

I guess I'll be watching Gundam Wing after that. Still not sure though. I just can't seem to make it through that first DVD. Every time I start watching it I get bored and fall asleep.

Sunstreaker2
2011-02-03, 11:20 PM
Wing truly gets good when the Gundam pilots are put in the clutch due to OZ getting stronger and the colonies no longer desiring their help.

miked23
2011-02-04, 12:28 AM
Originally Posted By: Hound

I haven't, but I've got that and Stardust Memory on DVD coming. Should be here monday.

Plot and character wise, Stardust Memory isn't that great. But the awesome gundams and some of the fights you get in it easily make up for the lack of story and character development.

War in the Pocket is the opposite I found not as much action but the characters and story are really solid.

I guess I'll be watching Gundam Wing after that. Still not sure though. I just can't seem to make it through that first DVD. Every time I start watching it I get bored and fall asleep.

Yeah Wing has a habit of getting really boring at points especially with all the damn clip episodes. But like Sunstreaker2 said it does get really good later on so I'd try to stick with it.

Hound
2011-02-10, 08:23 PM
Plot and character wise, Stardust Memory isn't that great. But the awesome gundams and some of the fights you get in it easily make up for the lack of story and character development.

War in the Pocket is the opposite I found not as much action but the characters and story are really solid.



Yeah Wing has a habit of getting really boring at points especially with all the damn clip episodes. But like Sunstreaker2 said it does get really good later on so I'd try to stick with it.Just finished watching War in the Pocket. I liked it but it seemed a little rushed. They had a lot going on with Bernie and Chris and the kid and his family and the Zeon Commander guy but none of it gets expanded on and so you're left with a lot of stuff that you don't get to see happen. Plus it's got such a bummer of an ending...

I'll be watching Stardust Memory next and I guess a change to something a little more action oriented will be nice after 0080.

As for Gundam Wing, like I said before I'll watch the 2 DVDs I have, which is the first 10 episodes, if I'm hooked by then I'll get the rest and the movie but if not I may come back to it sometime later. After I've watched some of the other, like Turn A.

Cliffjumper
2011-02-10, 08:42 PM
You've seen more of it than me now.

But you still haven't seen Turn A, which is the best one IMO. A bit Marmite, but rewarding after you adjust to the pacing. Harry Ord is awesome, Loran is probably the most adorable protagonist of any Gundam series, the design work is fabulous (Gundam + steampunk = win), the music is fabulous (spoiler-free link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2NkIJyRylw), the Gundam Hammer gets a revival and it's really, really funny in places.

Wing I still largely hate. Everyone's just too... ****y. Duo excepted, it's a bunch of emo prettyboys monologuing cod philosophy at each other.

Hound
2011-02-10, 10:40 PM
You've seen more of it than me now.I dunno about that, I've still not watched ZZ or Victory and those are not short series. I've just seen more different series.

So far I've not been disappointed in anything but Wing. I'm willing to give it a chance. Maybe I'll find myself in a mood where pretty looking mobile suits in really cool fight scenes is enough and I can push through everything that's not that in the series.

As for Turn A, I'm really looking forward to it. It's my motivation to finish the rest of the UC stuff. I figure if the stuff I watch before it gets boring or awful I can always go, "Get through this and Turn A is next".

Brave Maximus
2011-02-16, 05:00 AM
Wing is probably, by far the weakest of the Gundam Series excluding G Fighter. The problem is, it was the biggest seller in North Am, so people look at it with rose coloured glasses.

G Fighter is really a love it or leave it series, personally, I hate it. Apparently it gets good in the last 10 episodes or so... but I really don't want you to sit through 40 eps of CRAP.

As Cliffy said, Turn A is freakin awesome. The first time I watched it, I couldn't get into it. Now - it's easily one of the best gundam series of all time, On par with Zeta - maybe even better.

As for ZZ and Victory (I'm assuming you'll watch F91 inbetween):
It took me a year to watch ZZ. It's crap. Tomino was off at the beginning and the writing/directing team was horrible. Really was a "Villian of the week" show. After Tomino comes back (around ep 36ish) - it starts getting better and you start to see his usual style show through. There's still the Aztec space ninjas... but try and ignore it. It's really a show you need to push yourself to watch, just to get the feel of the whole UC thing.

Victory on the other hand is an amazing series, but it is VERY dark. Tomino was quite depressed, and you can actually see him getting darker as the series progress. The body count in Victory is nuts. But it is well written and most of the deaths actually affect you. You may have seen the character for 2-3 episdoes, but their death isn't a throw-away, and it has an impact.
That being said - Uso's freakin 10!!! How the hell do his feet touch the control pedals?!?!? Still great series and one of my favourite designed mechs.

Are you still sticking with UC or are you working on AU stuff as well?
Gundam X is great, and always will be my favourite series. I wish we'd get a North Am release of it. Far better than Wing and the protagonist is Likable.

Gunam 00... save it until last. It's good. But... different.

SEED & SEED Destiny.... ummm... yeah... clip shows lots of clip shows.

Have you gone into the UC OVA's?

Cliffy, have you been watching Unicorn?
I like it, it's pretty good and the 1hr format for an OVA is awesome...
that being said, 6 episodes spread out over 3 years.... not so cool.

Jaynz
2011-02-16, 04:13 PM
Wing is probably, by far the weakest of the Gundam Series excluding G Fighter. The problem is, it was the biggest seller in North Am, so people look at it with rose coloured glasses.

I wouldn't go so far. I would put Wing well over either 00 or 00-2, all things considered, and definitely over Seed Destiny. I'm not remotely saying it's perfect, and Endless Waltz was dreadful, but I think there's more of a 'counter-popularity' going on with Wing than a true appraisal of its merits. I would still recommend someone for Wing, with the caveat that the first 6 episodes are so are very muddled in the emo and over-drama. Past that, even Heero calms down a bit and you can start liking the story.

G Fighter is really a love it or leave it series, personally, I hate it. Apparently it gets good in the last 10 episodes or so... but I really don't want you to sit through 40 eps of CRAP.

I had a pretty long article here somewhere on G Gundam. I didn't hate it, but it was easy to see why a UC Gundam fan, in particular, would. There are a lot of genuinely great moments and good stories within the series, but it's mired in a lot of over-effort to be light and goofy. It comes off fairly schizophrenic.

As for ZZ and Victory (I'm assuming you'll watch F91 inbetween):

It took me a year to watch ZZ. It's crap. Tomino was off at the beginning and the writing/directing team was horrible. Really was a "Villian of the week" show.

ZZ has three story arcs which are just terrible. Sadly the first one is the first few episodes, setting up Judeau getting the Zeta Gundam. (Moon-Moon and the Paradise Colony are the other two awful ones). If you can get past those episodes, ZZ is actually very very good. But I admit that it is asking a lot to do, particularly if you start watching ZZ right after finishing Zeta.

Judau, however, is probably the most well-adjusted, all-around awesome pilot that the UC ever throws out.

Are you still sticking with UC or are you working on AU stuff as well?
Gundam X is great, and always will be my favourite series. I wish we'd get a North Am release of it. Far better than Wing and the protagonist is Likable.

X is supposedly getting a sub-only release soon. I haven't seen any news of it in awhile, sadly. The entire fan-sub series was on youtube recently, but it's a crap-shoot if it's been taken down by now.

SEED & SEED Destiny.... ummm... yeah... clip shows lots of clip shows.

Tough call. I can recommend SEED to someone, though there is probably one clip-episode too many in it. Destiny is harder to stomach, though... there are a LOT of flashbacks in certain arcs of the series, on top of too many clip shows, and Shinn is just plain unlikable for the most part - requiring the series lead to switch to Athrun again. It doesn't help that the final arc was done in a hurry by a different writing crew, and just throws EVERYTHING into the mix.

Brave Maximus
2011-02-16, 04:32 PM
I went back and watch Wing again recently.
The issue I have with it is - it has great MOMENTS. The fight between Zechs in Wing and Heero in the Heavy Arms is great, Quatre going nuts in the Zero, a few other things - that really are memorable.
Unfortunatly, there's a lot of story that's overly emo, or just plain doesn't make sense. I like the idea of real soldiers being against an automated army (we're starting to see this now). But most if it, if you sit back and think about, really doesn't make sense. And that's why I have a hard time recomending it over even things like 00 (I actually like the concept behind 00)


G-Fighter. I can see what you mean. If you've never seen a Gundam Series, it's probably a great starting point. But, for a series that's been hard-core Real Robot, to suddenly put out a Super Robot Drama... it... hurts ><


Ok, I'll give you - Judah is actually like-able and normal... Too bad no one else on the damn ship are! Hell, even their bad guys are nuts!!
You know it's bad when Bright (who suffered through Amuro, Katz and kids, Camille and CHAR) said "That's it, **** it, I'm out!" (not how it goes, but - it's how it feels).

I have X on HD download... if it gets a domestic release, I will be VERY happy.

That is my big issue with SEED/Destiny. I love some of the characters and Frey actually made me HATE her (which is impressive). But...
When you start noticing that every episode is made up of 1/4 recycled footage (Strike Launching and phase shifting, backpack switch, Kira going SEED, etc) - it gets a little hard to watch. Destiny is worse. It feels like they had no idea where they were going. Since SEED was a rehash of MSG (not a complaint, MS without bell-bottoms is ok in my books) - Destiny started out as trying to do a new take on Zeta... but... then fell apart. Shin was a mess. He actually made Camille look less whiney by comparrison, and that is an impressive feat.

Hound
2011-02-16, 04:47 PM
Are you still sticking with UC or are you working on AU stuff as well?I don't know at this point. I'm almost finished with Stardust Memory so I'll find ZZ and watch that next. I'm just kind of moving on next to whatever I think I will enjoy most until I get burnt out on it all. I may not get burnt out and end up watching everything. I'll see. I watched the first episode of 00 streaming somewhere and I really liked that first episode so there's some interest there. Out of all the series that I've read about the only one's that I think will be bad are G Gundam and Seed. So assuming I don't burn out first I'll watch those last.
Have you gone into the UC OVA's?I'm planning to watch all the UC animes. So I've got ZZ, F91 and Victory left. Oh and Unicorn but I'm going to wait until that is finished. Years from now or whatever it's going to be.

Jaynz
2011-02-16, 05:03 PM
I went back and watch Wing again recently.
The issue I have with it is - it has great MOMENTS. The fight between Zechs in Wing and Heero in the Heavy Arms is great, Quatre going nuts in the Zero, a few other things - that really are memorable.

Can't rule out the Epyon and Zero going nuts on one another as well... But, you're right that the show has a little bit of silly in it for an otherwise straight-take. Generally, the fun with Duo and the awesome that is Treize makes up for it for me. Really the big problem with the series is that have too many protagonists - there are times where the story seems to loose track of itself and seems to wallow, particularly in the second arc. Once the Tallgeese is out, though....

G-Fighter. I can see what you mean. If you've never seen a Gundam Series, it's probably a great starting point. But, for a series that's been hard-core Real Robot, to suddenly put out a Super Robot Drama... it... hurts ><

What? The "Super Love Love Hyadoken" wasn't good for you? Like I said, it was just to schizo for me. Half of the time it was a pretty good action-oriented series (though a bit silly)... the other half it was a bad silly series with some action in it. Yet, the final arc with the Shadow Gundam and Master Gundam were excellent for any Gundam series.

Ok, I'll give you - Judah is actually like-able and normal... Too bad no one else on the damn ship are! Hell, even their bad guys are nuts!!
You know it's bad when Bright (who suffered through Amuro, Katz and kids, Camille and CHAR) said "That's it, **** it, I'm out!" (not how it goes, but - it's how it feels).

Wasn't QUITE his choice, but I got that joke as well (what? A whole SHIP of emerging newtypes? CRAP!). By the end, though, most of the characters have redeemed themselves (and a couple are outright tragic, even on the villains side). And, seriously... the Purus and Dublin... just damn. It is hard to get through the handful of episodes and silly, but it's very much worth it when you do.

That is my big issue with SEED/Destiny. I love some of the characters and Frey actually made me HATE her (which is impressive). But...
When you start noticing that every episode is made up of 1/4 recycled footage (Strike Launching and phase shifting, backpack switch, Kira going SEED, etc) - it gets a little hard to watch.

I get a kick out of them forgetting WHICH stock footage to use. The Strike Freedom often uses the Freedom's art in Destiny. I don't mind the 'hardware' reuse too much, but when I see the same damn crew die in the exact same way on four different ships... well... poor bastards. :)

Destiny started out as trying to do a new take on Zeta... but... then fell apart. Shin was a mess. He actually made Camille look less whiney by comparrison, and that is an impressive feat.

Camille's a man's name! And I'm a man! - Gundam Musou 2

The big difference is that Camille gets to have his moments of awesome, and over two series to boot! Shinn constantly blows his moments, to the point that everyone in character starts calling him on it. If you realize that Shinn is NOT the protagonist, and more the VICTIM of the story (shifting the hero to Athrun/Quatra), it works a lot better. Doesn't completely save it, though, but it does work.

Of course, if the next promised SEED series ever appears and takes on ZZ... Athrun would be a new Char?

Jaynz
2011-02-16, 05:21 PM
I watched the first episode of 00 streaming somewhere and I really liked that first episode so there's some interest there.

With 00, you should stop at the end of the first season. :) The second really comes off as really really bad fan-fic written by Lock-On's biggest fan-girl. It's seriously that bad and just completely undermines the good things in 00. Also, if you think Wing's got head-thumping moments, realize that the premise of 00 is that everyone is so afraid of five Gundams they're going to shoot for universal peace instead.

Seriously. Fortunately a number of powers (particularly the US) shoots that idea to hell in short order.

The SD Intro to series II was frackin' hilarious, however.

Out of all the series that I've read about the only one's that I think will be bad are G Gundam and Seed. So assuming I don't burn out first I'll watch those last.

SEED was really hurt bad by the release of Destiny. On its own it's actually a very strong and well done series. Stargazer is gorgeous and goes into the backstory in a powerful way. Destiny... really was that much of a disappointment, unfortunately. Think of it as Gundam's "Crystal Skull" moment. It's not truly AWFUL, but it comes down so hard from the previous series that it's jarring.

I'm planning to watch all the UC animes. So I've got ZZ, F91 and Victory left. Oh and Unicorn but I'm going to wait until that is finished. Years from now or whatever it's going to be.

Maybe your grandchildren will see the finale? :)

Hound
2011-02-20, 10:07 AM
I finished Stardust Memory and it was ok.

I think a 13 episode series works really well. It wasn't rushed like War in the Pocket and it didn't have all of that stuff in the middle that is just kind of filler and can get boring like the longer series. It was the perfect amount of episodes to tell the story completely.

The only thing that bothered me at first was Kou. He really was kind of useless at first and I found myself wondering how the hell he got to be the pilot of the Gundam. He got better as the series went along though.

The story wasn't too bad and it was cool to get a sort of bridge between the One Year War and Zeta Gundam.

I downloaded the first half of ZZ and watched about half of the 1st episode today. It was all recap! I started to fall asleep. I'm yawning thinking about it right now. Sigh...

Sunstreaker2
2011-02-21, 09:09 PM
I went back and watched Endless Waltz last night.

It was excellent! The animation, the story, the characters, all excellent! All I really could have asked for is more Heero fighting in Wing Zero, but that's rather petty.

Hound
2011-06-12, 07:16 PM
Well, after a really long break from watching Gundam I'm back into it again.

I'm about 37 episodes into ZZ Gundam I think and am really enjoying it. I like Judau, probably more than Amuro and Kamille. He's a little more badass than the other two are.

I like the supporting cast and I like the bad guys too. Well, except Mashymre. He's a bit of a putz. Glemy is pretty good though and Haman too. Was a bit surprised by Chara though and all the sexual innuendo that came along with her.

I really like the ZZ Gundam though. Very nice suit and I love the docking sequence in the cartoon. It just looks awesome.

I watched the two Wing DVDs that I have and by the end of that 10th episode I was kinda into it. I think I'm definitely going to get the rest of the series and watch it. Probably after I finish the UC animes though.

I bought two of the Gundam kits too.

I got the original Gundam, this one (http://www.hobbywave.com/plastic_models/gundam/others/rg_rx-78-2-gundam.html)

and I got the ZZ Gundam, this one (http://www.hobbywave.com/plastic_models/gundam/hguc/hguc_zz-gundam.html)

I really like them both, took a long time to put them together and they look really nice. My only complaint is that the ZZ model doesn't really transform so much as you disassemble it and reassemble it in the new configuration. Still it looks awesome so not too much of a big deal. I kind of really want to get the Zeta Gundam now though.

Jaynz
2011-06-12, 07:47 PM
I'm about 37 episodes into ZZ Gundam I think and am really enjoying it. I like Judau, probably more than Amuro and Kamille. He's a little more badass than the other two are.

After Kamille's emo-fest it's really nice to see someone who knows how to step up when the need arises. It's pretty nice that everyone manages to grow up some in the course of the series, particularly after Zeta, where you just wanted to kill some of the characters for their stupidity...

I like the supporting cast and I like the bad guys too. Well, except Mashymre. He's a bit of a putz. Glemy is pretty good though and Haman too. Was a bit surprised by Chara though and all the sexual innuendo that came along with her.

Mashymre has a bit of a character change coming in the second half and he's not exactly laughable at that point. (In reality, Mashymre limited himself in the opening act of ZZ, due to Haman's orders. When he cuts loose and shows what he can do without that Haman-crush going on? Much better...) Still reminds me too much of James of Team Rocket, though. :)

I really like the ZZ Gundam though. Very nice suit and I love the docking sequence in the cartoon. It just looks awesome.

Complicated ****er, that's for sure. I got the 1/144 HG kit, and it makes a damn nice medium-heavy mobile suit. I will never, ever transform the beast, though.

I watched the two Wing DVDs that I have and by the end of that 10th episode I was kinda into it. I think I'm definitely going to get the rest of the series and watch it. Probably after I finish the UC animes though.

"Why don't you come and kill me!" Wing gets really good come the second arc, when things get going. But pretty soon you're going to need a score-card to keep track of the shifting-alliances.

I bought two of the Gundam kits too.

I really like them both, took a long time to put them together and they look really nice. My only complaint is that the ZZ model doesn't really transform so much as you disassemble it and reassemble it in the new configuration. Still it looks awesome so not too much of a big deal. I kind of really want to get the Zeta Gundam now though.

For Zeta, get the Gryphos set if you can find it. You get the Zeta, metallic Hyaku Shiki, and a nice version of the Mk II. The effect on the Shiki is really nice, making this a stand-out set.

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban939090.html - currently out of stock there, but it's a popular and recurring item.

Sunstreaker2
2011-06-12, 11:58 PM
So we've got a new series now, Gundam AGE.

http://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2011/06/coco-manga-x-gundam-gundam-age-new.html

I can't wait to see what Cliff thinks.

Cliffjumper
2011-06-13, 04:48 PM
Be lazy and buy the Chogokin ZZ - http://counter-x.net/gundam/chogokin/msz010_zz-gundam/index.html - beam sabers as thick as a German woman's thighs, much diecast, satisfying clicking noises.

New stuff looks like Gundam Animated. Good odds that the cartoon's not quite that retarded, but I'll pass.

Watched most of Victory recently - pretty crap on the whole. Lead's impossible to take seriously (he's four years old, or something), as is the hilarious mortality rate which makes it feel like some masturbating Dan Slott comic.

God I hate Dan Slott. I'd pull his thing, and jam it down his throat. Fat prick.

Hound
2011-06-13, 10:55 PM
Yeah, I'm really very unsure about the Victory Anime, but I'm going to give it a go anyway, might as well, I'm watching all the rest of the UC stuff.

I like the look of the Gundams in the new series, any word on how many episodes?

I think I'm going to stick with the model kits really. I like that I've built them myself. Gives me a sense of accomplishment and they aren't really that expensive.

You'll have to explain to me what Dan Slott comic has set you so on edge. I think I read his run on Mighty Avengers but nothing else, so I'm not sure what he's done...

Jaynz
2011-06-17, 01:47 PM
Yeah, I'm really very unsure about the Victory Anime, but I'm going to give it a go anyway, might as well, I'm watching all the rest of the UC stuff.

Victory really seems to be as close to a 'super robot' series as Gundam seems to get. Little kid in the hero robot? Check. Silly morality episodes? Check. Anvilicious dialog? Check. I would watch it over most things on Cartoon Network these days, but I wouldn't seek it out, either.

(As opposed to SD Gundam Vol #9, which i've been hunting for like a madman for months now...)

I think I'm going to stick with the model kits really. I like that I've built them myself. Gives me a sense of accomplishment and they aren't really that expensive.

On the model side I just got in a large batch of 1/144 kits. So far I've assembled the Tallgeese, Mercurius, and Vayete. These are the older models, so there's one sprue short of color detail on each them, but it's not as bad on these three as they are the main Wing suits.

The model sets went up about 10 percent here, though, keeping me from getting quite as much as I wanted. I've got the RX-78-2 from Gunpla Beginners now waiting for me, as well as the mammaoth Super Zaku F2000.

Hound
2011-06-26, 05:26 PM
I finished ZZ Gundam and I ordered F91 and the rest of Gundam Wing.

While I'm waiting for the DVDs to arrive I've been watching Victory.

I liked ZZ but the ending kind of feels like, "Is that it? Shouldn't there be more?" Which I suppose is Char's Counterattack. Still, I liked it.

As for Victory, I think I'm about 9 or 10 episodes in. Right now it just seems to be mostly about how Uso is the only competent pilot they have for the thing even though he really, really doesn't want to be involved. I assume they move on from that at some point. I hope...

So I guess I'll watch F91 when it gets here and then finish Victory and Wing. After that is Turn A which I was really hoping to hear about a domestic release of by now. Did that get shelved?

Sunstreaker2
2011-06-27, 08:25 PM
I really can't see the love for CCA...Maybe if I watch it again, I'll like it more.

The characters are bland or unlikeable, the sub-plot is f*cking terrible...

Jaynz
2011-06-27, 11:44 PM
I liked ZZ but the ending kind of feels like, "Is that it? Shouldn't there be more?" Which I suppose is Char's Counterattack. Still, I liked it.

ZZ lacks somewhat of a payoff, though it makes sense that Judau, Roux, and 'lil sis basically say "screw this crap" and take off for Jupiter (making them convieniently missing out on CCA). It did clean up the Axis front, though, leaving room for Char to control all of Neo-Zeon later...

As for Victory, I think I'm about 9 or 10 episodes in. Right now it just seems to be mostly about how Uso is the only competent pilot they have for the thing even though he really, really doesn't want to be involved. I assume they move on from that at some point. I hope...

Victory seems to get a bad rap on mahq.net, but I haven't seen much of it. I imagine that starts to settle down after the first arc into something more solid, but Victory is the part of UC that gets the most glossed over.

So I guess I'll watch F91 when it gets here and then finish Victory and Wing. After that is Turn A which I was really hoping to hear about a domestic release of by now. Did that get shelved?

Subtitle only in October, last that I heard. There hasn't been much more information about it in a few months, unfortunately.

For my part.. Gundam Musou 3 finally arrives stateside tommorow. I know what my week in the house alone will consist of... lots of dead Zaku.

Jaynz
2011-06-27, 11:47 PM
I really can't see the love for CCA...Maybe if I watch it again, I'll like it more.

The characters are bland or unlikeable, the sub-plot is f*cking terrible...

CCA feels like the outline to a larger series, similar to F91. In CCA's case, it comes off a little worse, since there are so many side characters and they pretty universally suck. The overall plot isn't bad, but getting there is a bit of a chore, and Char's motivation - one last throw-down with Amuro - isn't really explained. Does he really want to risk destroying the Earth JUST to have Amuro try to stop him? Apparently so...

Sunstreaker2
2011-06-30, 04:16 PM
CCA feels like the outline to a larger series, similar to F91. In CCA's case, it comes off a little worse, since there are so many side characters and they pretty universally suck. The overall plot isn't bad, but getting there is a bit of a chore, and Char's motivation - one last throw-down with Amuro - isn't really explained. Does he really want to risk destroying the Earth JUST to have Amuro try to stop him? Apparently so...

I've heard that before, that CCA makes more sense as the beginning of an OVA than a movie.

It would explain the extremely truncated nature of it, though not nearly as bad as F91 in that department.

Jaynz
2011-08-09, 06:53 PM
Musou 3/Dynasty Warriors 3

Okay, I put in many many hours into this game, so it's obvious that overall I liked it. The combat is cleaner and with superior 'grunt suit' AI to be sure. The new map-strategic options are pretty nice, such as getting repair centers, com-centers for backup, and so on. Gundam X finally gets its turn in the Musou series, the Tallgeese and Heavy Arms (?!) are added, and 00 naturally gets included in the form of the Reborns and 00 Raiser. Unicorn, of course, also gets included with the title Gundam and it's Shiniji counterpart.

All the things outside of the main gameplay are a bit worse, though. Cut scenes are few and far between, making the 'historic' mode seem rather lackluster, in particular.

For the most part, missions are very samey, with only a handful of overall maps to choose from, all with similar designs (I really miss the open-space maps!). Map strategy gets memorized really quickly making a lot of missions redundant and boring. This is due to the new online mode, which has to have 'balanced maps' all the time. Feh.

Difficulty of the game goes from 'easier than the second' to 'slightly tougher' to 'oh my ****ing Maker'. The stairstep is extremely annoying since you go from cleaning out maps like they were nothing into 'I got hit ONCE and I'm dead?!' It's pretty rediculous.

Lastly, the friendship system is now based on the player rather than individual pilots. At first this seems like it would make things easier, but the monotony of levelling up Friendships (which is now required for more than a few suits and many missions) will cause most players' eyes to bleed.

Another oddity is that Scwartz Bruder is included (along with Rain). Both characters are known for thier Gundams (Spiegel and Rising, respectively) but neither Gundam shows up. I can see G's relative unpopularity meaning that game resources may go elsewhere, but the Speigel really comes off as an unfortunate oversight.

We also loose Quess, Gyunei, and Hathaway, along with the ReGZ and Alpha Azeiru suits. While I'm not a fan of the characters, it does seem odd to ditch them while keeping the CCA storyline within the game. It just makes that part of the game all the more jarring.

In short, Dynatasy Warriors: Gundam 3 becomes a mixed bag. Though the gameplay itself is smoother and improved, the second game does nearly everything ELSE a bit better. I can't recommend this game at full price (particularly at $60 US), but it's good enough to get used somewhere.

Hound
2011-08-10, 05:42 AM
Well, I'm almost all the way through Victory, I have 5 episodes left.

I've really been enjoying it. Especially the last half of it. I think this Shakti girl is kind of stupid and I predict she will die which is really sad. I hate Chronicle and Katejina and look forward to their inevitable comeuppance.

I like the gundam, both of them actually. The V2 is just as cool as the first really.

I wouldn't say that this one was as good as most of the rest of the UC stuff. It's really only better than F91 IMO but it's an alright closure to this continuity and I felt it was worth a watch. If you've not seen it I'd say give it a chance.

I'm gonna go ahead and watch Gundam Wing after this. If Turn A is getting a domestic release in October (assuming I'm interpreting that post correctly) then that should work out as I'll probably finish Wing around the end of October.

I asked the guy at the comic shop I go to to order a Zeta Gundam model kit for me, I might have to get the Victory Gundams too. Assuming they aren't too expensive.

Sades
2011-08-13, 06:34 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and watch Gundam Wing after this.

Not sure if I've mentioned, but IIRC it's supposedly crap... it being the only one I've seen bits of, I thought it was alright.

Hound
2011-08-13, 10:39 AM
I've had the first 2 volumes of it for like more than 10 years. I just never got around to buying the rest til just recently.

Just finished Victory and the ending was pretty good I guess.

I'm looking forward to watching Wing. I watched the two DVDs I've had forever several months back and by the 10th episode I was kind of into it so I'm hoping it continues to get better.

Jaynz
2011-08-13, 01:02 PM
Not sure if I've mentioned, but IIRC it's supposedly crap... it being the only one I've seen bits of, I thought it was alright.

For some reason it didn't catch on in Japan as strongly as some other series (probably because it wasn't UC), but I couldn't go so far as to say it's 'crap'. Wing did amazingly well in Europe and in the United States. It's got some weak moments, and it takes a few episodes to get going, but get going it eventually does.

Sadly, there's the 'total pacifism' stupidity ball at play, but even the most bone-headed of characters in the show figure that out as it goes on.

Hound
2011-10-12, 07:02 AM
Finished Wing finally, took me over a week to watch Endless Waltz all the way through. Doesn't help that I was putting it on at bedtime and seeing how far I could get to before falling asleep.

I liked the series mostly. Might be shallow of me to say but even in those parts of the story that get boring or absurd or just plain stupid the beauty of the gundam suits and the fight scenes carry you through it.

Now I'm on to Turn A. FINALLY!

TBH I was hoping I'd be getting the official DVD release to watch instead of DLing the episodes. I've been scouring through Anime news sites looking for any info on when Turn A will be released exactly and have found nothing conclusive. I'm frustrated and exhausted with it. Does anyone know anything more specific than 2011? Just tell me it hasn't been delayed indefinitely or something like that...

I'm not sure what to watch after Turn A though. I haven't seen G Gundam, Gundam X, Gundam 00 and Gundam SEED. Which have been released in the US? Well, I know Gundam SEED has been. What about the other three though?

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 01:08 PM
I liked the series mostly. Might be shallow of me to say but even in those parts of the story that get boring or absurd or just plain stupid the beauty of the gundam suits and the fight scenes carry you through it.

Endless Waltz really isn't a good capstone to Wing, which can leave a sour taste in someone's mouth (aside from the beautify of the redesigns, even if some are more than a little silly from a 'real robot' perspective). Relena becoming 'queen of the world' again by force never sat well with me.

Now I'm on to Turn A. FINALLY!
Does anyone know anything more specific than 2011? Just tell me it hasn't been delayed indefinitely or something like that...

Bandai's turned its marketing forces for Gundam to AGE and Origin, and BoA tends to ignore anything that's not Power Rangers these days. It's still 'coming', but no news on exactly when yet. Bandai has also promised 'something' for ZZ as well, but again with no details.

I'm not sure what to watch after Turn A though. I haven't seen G Gundam, Gundam X, Gundam 00 and Gundam SEED. Which have been released in the US? Well, I know Gundam SEED has been. What about the other three though?

Gundam X hasn't been released with an official translation yet, unfortunately. There is a fansub and a fandub, but I haven't seen either. (I just built the Ashatron and wouldn't mind seeing that thing in action, even if the mobile armor mode is outright silly.)

Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny are recent and relatively easy to find. They're worth watching, though the quality dips notably between the two series, and the over-reliance on flashbacks will grate on you after a short while.

I've reviewed G Gundam at length somewhere in this thread, I think. It's a fun show, but it's very much over the top and the mood changes radically between episodes. There's a lot of fun in it, but the cheese and crackers of the story and the designs can really be off-putting. It's very much NOT a 'real robot' show.

Gundam 00 was the most recently released series in the States and is a little mixed. There's good stuff in it, but it throws off an awful lot of stupid both in its tech and its politics and lacks the self-awareness that could make that work. It's always serious, every step of the way, relentlessly. I wouldn't say it's grimdark, but you're left with the impression that every single cast member has a desperate need to get laid.

Sunstreaker2
2011-10-12, 02:10 PM
I can't recommend SEED, I'm trapped in it myself with no escape.

Can't exactly give up when you're 28 episodes in.

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 03:10 PM
I can't recommend SEED, I'm trapped in it myself with no escape.

The 'angsty Kira' bit, which is where you are now, is a bit much to soak up. It's also the major source of flashback hell. Moments of Awesome (TM) are coming very soon, though. Kira and Athrun getting over their damn selves and deciding to get the work done puts the series back into gear.

And Mu La Flaga is always awesome.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 03:37 PM
SEED is... ok. The flashbacks get a bit killer, as mentioned (especially the 2nd time through watching it) - but there are some moments of pure awesome, that make it all worth while.
Anything with Andy or Mu make the series bareable.

Destiny on the other hand.... Clips, LOTS OF CLIPS, and a lot of fan-wanking. There are some great moments (Andy and Ramius with the kids... when ZAFT attacks) - but 2 over angsty characters, flip floping on plot and CLIPS make it a bit hard.

00 is actually quite good - though the movie left a bad taste in my mouth. As Vanguard mentioned though - it is quite self-serious. It leads to some unintentional comedy. But yeah... most of them need to get laid....

G Fighter is CRAP. No seriously. Gundam is credited as creating and being the fore-front of the Real-Robot genre... G-Fighter is Super Robot and... so hard to watch. Apparently the last 10 episodes are supposed to be quite amazing. I just can't sit through 42 eps of crap to get to them.

Gundam X is probably one of the best series. I wish it had run for the full 52. But like MSG it was cut down. Still, some amazing moments, a non-emo main character, freakin awesome support cast, the works. And, the "Fly Garod!" scene was one of the best in franchise history, period.

Gundam Unicorn is still being slowly released. It's good, but at $50 a pop for the Blu-rays... >< Not to mention taking 3 years to release a 6 episode OVA.

They're now starting up AGE. I've heard mixed reviews - but then again, it's aimed at a younger audience (as seen in some of the mech designs). Has anyone found a fan-sub sight?

Hound
2011-10-12, 03:51 PM
Hmm...

Ok so:
Gundam X
Gundam 00
Gundam SEED
then G Gundam last...

And most of those I can just buy! \o/

Then I'll wait for the new stuff to finish before I go watching it.

I really hope the Turn A DVDs get released soon...

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 03:54 PM
So do I.

Turn A was quite amazing - took me a bit off guard.

I wish they'd actually give most Gundam series a release. But it seems like Gundam has a "No! It's mine!!" quality to it for the Japanese. They gave it an attempt over here (horribly mismanaged as it was) and then they said "alright, you've had your chance"

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 04:01 PM
Destiny on the other hand.... Clips, LOTS OF CLIPS, and a lot of fan-wanking. There are some great moments (Andy and Ramius with the kids... when ZAFT attacks) - but 2 over angsty characters, flip floping on plot and CLIPS make it a bit hard.

Destiny is a LOT easier to stomach the moment you realize that Shinn is not the main protagonist, but is the anti-hero. Athrun is the main character (made more clear in the second half, admittedly). But Shinn being such a total prat through the whole series and NEVER coming out of it really hurts the overall storyline. (There are a lot of behind the scenes problems with the show as well, which critically gutted Destiny and got the third series and two movies cancelled outright.)

G Fighter is CRAP. No seriously. Gundam is credited as creating and being the fore-front of the Real-Robot genre... G-Fighter is Super Robot and... so hard to watch. Apparently the last 10 episodes are supposed to be quite amazing. I just can't sit through 42 eps of crap to get to them.

It's not so much 'crap' is it is 'what if Gundam took the piss out of Dragonball Z while ripping off the plot of Robot Jox'? There's a lot of painful moments to wade through, unfortunately, but there isn't another Gundam series with more 'moments of awesome', either. It's an easy series to get, but you may want to watch it in doses. Also, at the end of the series, you will learn that only Domon will ever get laid again ... seriously, no guy in the universe can top THAT exit for his girl.

They're now starting up AGE. I've heard mixed reviews - but then again, it's aimed at a younger audience (as seen in some of the mech designs). Has anyone found a fan-sub sight?

Apparently AGE is divided into three very-different arcs spanning the history of its overall conflict. I've been told that the arcs get more serious as the show goes on, but with only the first one out, it's really hard to say. It's also a bit too soon for a fan-sub just yet... probably next summer.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 04:04 PM
Apparently AGE is divided into three very-different arcs spanning the history of its overall conflict. I've been told that the arcs get more serious as the show goes on, but with only the first one out, it's really hard to say. It's also a bit too soon for a fan-sub just yet... probably next summer.

You're kidding right?
Most series have subbers doing it the week it's released?
I watched SEED and 00 with a 1 week delay (sometimes a week and a half, the subbers have lives too).

I was hoping that someone would know of a site doing it... but I haven't found one yet. Would be nice if I spoke Japanese though...

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 04:08 PM
I wish they'd actually give most Gundam series a release. But it seems like Gundam has a "No! It's mine!!" quality to it for the Japanese. They gave it an attempt over here (horribly mismanaged as it was) and then they said "alright, you've had your chance"

Cartoon Network apparently screwed them over SEED. Also, BoA is pretty much a 'Power Rangers All the Time' company and blithely ignores anything that isn't a Zord. Gundam is not the only franchise to be screwed over by BoA, but it's easily the biggest.

You're kidding right?
Most series have subbers doing it the week it's released?

If you don't mind it having a quality equal to the Star TV Masterforce dub. (I've seen some AWFUL subtitles made during a series run... Code Geass was particularly awful.)

A GOOD sub will traditionally wait for the series to complete so they can get the context, etc., all correct. I'm a strong proponent of 'do it right' rather than 'do it fast'.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 04:45 PM
I like to see it as it runs - and Gundam is usually ok (other than some name translation error, until we see an official english version).

And yes, Cartoon Network did have a hand with the downfall of Gundam. But they were just the final nail in the coffin.

BoA (which, as far as I know, doesn't exist any more. Bandi dissolved them and is now running things, hence getting Turn A. But things are messed up after the quake/tsunami) - mishandled the whole thing.

First: Cartoon Network isn't where I'd put Gundam. The average 14-15yo in North Am wants Naruto and Bleach, not something like Gundam. But, because it's a cartoon (and in typical American style, cartoons are for kids) threw it in with CN. Unfortunatly, CN looks at weekly ratings (much like the WB) and adjusts schedules based on that! I don't think SEED had the same time slot for more than 2 weeks in a row. If you have to fish to find a show, most people will give up.

Second: They started with Wing (good move) - but instead of following it up with another serious show like Turn A or X - they went with G Fighter. The reason - More Gundams = More money. But without the established history, no one liked or understood G Fighter.

Third: They MESSED UP the UC franchise. Nothing was aired in order (IE: Zeta, 0080, 8th MS Team, CCA, MSG, 0083 - aired in that order) - so no one had a CLUE what was going on. While I understand not bringing things like ZZ over (it's not nessisary for viewing between Z and CCA, but it does help a bit) - getting a time line order is critical! They had planned to bring over Victory and then finally ZZ - but that got scrapped when things disolved

Fourth: Toys - Lets face it, Gunpla drives Bandai. But BoA didn't understand the difference in Japanese and North Am children. In Japan, young boys will spend days building a model kit (Hell, they made a TV series about it!!). In North Am, Models are for geeks, and we want to play with a toy right out of the package. They focus on the model line and sent the figures into Walmart hell without a clear plan. They should have taken a page from Hasbro with multipul clear price points, logical releases (IE: This wave is all MSG, since MSG is airing) - and worked out how to turn a model kit into an action figure.

BoA looked at Gundam as a way to make a quick buck. It could have become something like what it is in Japan, A multi-billion dollar industry that releases a new product every year.

Not that Bandai is without it's faults. They dont' care about quality - it's about how many gundams can we sell. They know if they slap "Gundam" on something, it will sell - It's half the reason we have never had a good Gundam game - just "Decent" ones.

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 06:37 PM
I like to see it as it runs - and Gundam is usually ok (other than some name translation error, until we see an official english version).

You never saw the MSG Trilogy dubs? Gah... It doesn't have to be official for me, but it has to be decent, and I generally have just found it's better when a fan dub team does a series all in one go, and keep things consistent.

BoA (which, as far as I know, doesn't exist any more. Bandi dissolved them and is now running things, hence getting Turn A. But things are messed up after the quake/tsunami) - mishandled the whole thing.

BoA still officially handles the toys and model kits for North America. This is why nearly everything you see in hobby stores are direct imports from Bandai itself. A lot of American stores aren't even doing the 'import chain' anymore - they're ordering direct. This has been a GREAT thing for me, as I'm getting models that I would have otherwise never seen - like the entire X and Victory lines.

First: Cartoon Network isn't where I'd put Gundam.

It's not where I would put Gundam now, certainly. But back then, Toonami was a perfect fit, particularly in the evening slots. Ironically it would fit best on The Hub as part of the evening block... I'm not sure what Hasbro would think of such a thing, though.

Second: They started with Wing (good move) - but instead of following it up with another serious show like Turn A or X - they went with G Fighter. The reason - More Gundams = More money. But without the established history, no one liked or understood G Fighter.

G was a recent animated release, which made it easier to sell. BoA did see a lot of profit potential, of course, with more mobile suits to fill Toys R Us, but Cartoon Network optioned it based on its more recent release date.

Fourth: Toys - Lets face it, Gunpla drives Bandai. But BoA didn't understand the difference in Japanese and North Am children. In Japan, young boys will spend days building a model kit (Hell, they made a TV series about it!!).

The problem wasn't a lack of toys, though. There were a shitload of action-figures released for the line over its four year run. The problem was the selection of figures that pushed down. G Gundam, in particular, was notorious for over-producing D-list mobile suits and then not producing enough of the A-listers. Want a Burning Gundam? Tough, here's 20 Mermaid Gundams on the shelves... and a few Windmill Gundams too. Nobel Gundam? That's a chick so we'll make like FIVE of them that some collector will have on eBay.

BoA looked at Gundam as a way to make a quick buck. It could have become something like what it is in Japan, A multi-billion dollar industry that releases a new product every year.

BoA openly complained that Gundam was competing with their 'core' market of Power Rangers. It's an open question if BoA was deliberately sabotaging Gundam or not. It would explain an awful lot about their choices.

Not that Bandai is without it's faults. They dont' care about quality - it's about how many gundams can we sell. They know if they slap "Gundam" on something, it will sell - It's half the reason we have never had a good Gundam game - just "Decent" ones.

But I LIKED Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3... And there are quite a few good Gundam games. They get little attention because BoA handled their English localization, which was slap-dash at best, and their marketing, which was usually non-existent.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 06:55 PM
You never saw the MSG Trilogy dubs? Gah... It doesn't have to be official for me, but it has to be decent, and I generally have just found it's better when a fan dub team does a series all in one go, and keep things consistent.
The dubs for 00, SEED and Destiny, that I got while the series were coming out were quite good actually. I guess it just depends on the group.



BoA still officially handles the toys and model kits for North America. This is why nearly everything you see in hobby stores are direct imports from Bandai itself. A lot of American stores aren't even doing the 'import chain' anymore - they're ordering direct. This has been a GREAT thing for me, as I'm getting models that I would have otherwise never seen - like the entire X and Victory lines.

Huh, interesting. I'll look into that...



It's not where I would put Gundam now, certainly. But back then, Toonami was a perfect fit, particularly in the evening slots. Ironically it would fit best on The Hub as part of the evening block... I'm not sure what Hasbro would think of such a thing, though.

Toonami was on it's way out when SEED came around. Hence CN bouncing the show around. But Gundam had already lost it's NA audience before SEED. The inconsistancies and just bad overall planning are what killed it.

Yeah... the HUB would be good. The issue is - Bandai and Takara are each other's main rivals. Not sure we'll ever see TF's and Gundam on the same channel....



G was a recent animated release, which made it easier to sell. BoA did see a lot of profit potential, of course, with more mobile suits to fill Toys R Us, but Cartoon Network optioned it based on its more recent release date.

And that's just the example of bad planning on everyone's part. CN for not knowing their audience and BoA for... being idiots, quite frankly. It was "what's easier" not what should be best.



The problem wasn't a lack of toys, though. There were a shitload of action-figures released for the line over its four year run. The problem was the selection of figures that pushed down. G Gundam, in particular, was notorious for over-producing D-list mobile suits and then not producing enough of the A-listers. Want a Burning Gundam? Tough, here's 20 Mermaid Gundams on the shelves... and a few Windmill Gundams too. Nobel Gundam? That's a chick so we'll make like FIVE of them that some collector will have on eBay.

It was a double sided problem. The only TV commercials were released for SD Gundam and Model Kits, never the toys. Combine the fact that you're left with shelves of horrible Gfighter toys (Even when looking at other series figures, like 8th MS - you may have a few more GM's and Mass Prod Guntanks, but even they look infinitely cooler than the Mermaid or Torro Gundams from Fighter). There's also the Walmart policy to deal with, especially back then, which really hurt them.


BoA openly complained that Gundam was competing with their 'core' market of Power Rangers. It's an open question if BoA was deliberately sabotaging Gundam or not. It would explain an awful lot about their choices.

I've always wondered if BoA ****ed it up on purpose. There were just too many bad mistakes made. So, you have 2 choices - either BoA are that incompetent OR they messed around on purpose. Either way, no one should be surprised they lost their jobs.

If I were Bandai head office, there was a good Decade where I'd be sitting ther going "why the hell can we not move Gundam into North Am". Considering how big it is over there (and if you ever wonder how big it is over there, just start looking around at some of the gundam stuff, like statues, V-fins for trains, and more) - not being able to find any real market in North Am would be slightly insane.



But I LIKED Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3... And there are quite a few good Gundam games. They get little attention because BoA handled their English localization, which was slap-dash at best, and their marketing, which was usually non-existent.

There were some decent games... but not good. Not 10/10 good. They're usually light on the story or have some other elements that don't work.
I want a Gundam game that blows my mind, not "meh, that was fun"

Jaynz
2011-10-12, 07:40 PM
Toonami was on it's way out when SEED came around. Hence CN bouncing the show around. But Gundam had already lost it's NA audience before SEED. The inconsistencies and just bad overall planning are what killed it.

Spacing out the Gundam releases may have helped the NA audience absorb some of it, particularly the UC OVAs like Stardust Memory and War in the Pocket, which really required knowledge of at least MSG itself (if not Zeta as well) to make any sense out of.

Yeah... the HUB would be good. The issue is - Bandai and Takara are each other's main rivals. Not sure we'll ever see TF's and Gundam on the same channel....

Well, we've seen Bandai and Takara's products on the same channel twice now, once on Fox Kids' and once on Cartoon Network. I wouldn't completely rule it out as a possibility. The bigger question is if the Hub is independent enough from Hasbro proper to put on "rival" toy company series.

It was a double sided problem. The only TV commercials were released for SD Gundam and Model Kits, never the toys.

There were some commercials for the Wing and G Gundam action figures, but they were nigh-impossible to distinguish from the 1/144 Mid-Grade sets. They're similarly sized and there wasn't a lot of 'action features' in the toys that made them distinct from the models.

G Gundam was the toy curse, though. As I said, way too many toys produced of things like the Mermaid Gundam, or Windmill Gundam, or any one of a dozen other stupid-gimmick-suits. Meanwhile, the 'good' suits that would have sold, like the Speigel Gundam, or even the Rising Gundam, were shortpacked.

(Oddly, to this day, the North American toy releases are the only way you can get suits like the Lumber Gundam, which didn't get released in Japan and never had a model kit...)

Then of course, you had the awfully envisioned "Battle Scarred" line which basically were last years' toys after they had gone through your dog's digestive tract. "All right, give me the Wing Zero that looks like total crap!" was not something many kids would be saying.

There were some decent games... but not good. Not 10/10 good. They're usually light on the story or have some other elements that don't work. I want a Gundam game that blows my mind, not "meh, that was fun"

The curse there is that you'll never get two people to agree what a Gundam game should be about. It's a game with a franchise so big that there will be someone to bitch about ANY aspect of it. :S

Brave Maximus
2011-10-12, 07:56 PM
Spacing out the Gundam releases may have helped the NA audience absorb some of it, particularly the UC OVAs like Stardust Memory and War in the Pocket, which really required knowledge of at least MSG itself (if not Zeta as well) to make any sense out of.

Spacing out - deffinatly (and for the "First 3" OVA's - 0080, 0083 and 8th MS - you just need to know MSG) - but any sort of logic in a release/airing order would have been better. CN just threw it on (now, granted, I'm sure the programming execs at CN new jack all about Gundam, they just picked and chose at random. It was up to BoA to encourage a proper release).

Well, we've seen Bandai and Takara's products on the same channel twice now, once on Fox Kids' and once on Cartoon Network. I wouldn't completely rule it out as a possibility. The bigger question is if the Hub is independent enough from Hasbro proper to put on "rival" toy company series.

It's actually a non-issue now, saddly. Bandai would need a MAJOR pitch to even attempt Gundam in NA again. I'm not even sure if the Hub is the right place to take it. I'd look at stations like Sy-Fy in the US and Space in Canada. It's the target audience. Geeky, Sci-fi kids and older adult collectors.
Find a good spot (an hour slot if you can) - after a good Sci-fi show, and throw it out there, probably around 5pm. The big kicker is it needs a marketing drive, not just an airing.


There were some commercials for the Wing and G Gundam action figures, but they were nigh-impossible to distinguish from the 1/144 Mid-Grade sets. They're similarly sized and there wasn't a lot of 'action features' in the toys that made them distinct from the models.

G Gundam was the toy curse, though. As I said, way too many toys produced of things like the Mermaid Gundam, or Windmill Gundam, or any one of a dozen other stupid-gimmick-suits. Meanwhile, the 'good' suits that would have sold, like the Speigel Gundam, or even the Rising Gundam, were shortpacked.

(Oddly, to this day, the North American toy releases are the only way you can get suits like the Lumber Gundam, which didn't get released in Japan and never had a model kit...)

Then of course, you had the awfully envisioned "Battle Scarred" line which basically were last years' toys after they had gone through your dog's digestive tract. "All right, give me the Wing Zero that looks like total crap!" was not something many kids would be saying.

I think we're both arguing the same point. Huge mistakes on the toy line (through advertisement, figure selection, lines, pricing, stores, etc) - didn't help the cause at all.

The curse there is that you'll never get two people to agree what a Gundam game should be about. It's a game with a franchise so big that there will be someone to bitch about ANY aspect of it. :S

Oh deffinatly, but you can find a universal middle ground in the franchise itself. It needs to be story driven, since that's what makes Gundam and seperates it from other Mecha franchises (same way music is what seperates Macross). It needs to have FREAKIN AWESOME MS. And it has to have a good and innovative fight system. I've always wondered why they never went for an action/adventure RPG style game (akin to Kingdom Hearts).

Jaynz
2011-10-13, 07:13 PM
Just built and did the prelim colors on the Gundam Airmaster. I'm seriously considering making this kit my first attempt at 'panel weathering', but that'll require a trip to the model store first... My Ashtaron needs some red and gold highlights as well...



It's actually a non-issue now, sadly. Bandai would need a MAJOR pitch to even attempt Gundam in NA again.

For NEW product that may be true, but then Bandai doesn't need to do a major blitz really. They could simply just start getting the 'minor buzz' going. Releasing Wing on the Hub (or whatever), getting a single new series dub (say, either ZZ or Turn A), and deliberately targeting the older audience with the model kits could start getting the brand rebuilt in the States without a huge overhead in initial costs.

I think the major 'blitz', hitting everything all at once with an elephant gun, was one of the 2000's launch's major failures. Let the audience take in the franchise at a slower, more manageable pace.

I'm not even sure if the Hub is the right place to take it. I'd look at stations like Sy-Fy in the US and Space in Canada. It's the target audience. Geeky, Sci-fi kids and older adult collectors.

SyFy is pretty much dead. It's down to reality shows, wrestling, and bad T&A 'horror/sci-fry' movies these days. Let it die already and don't associate anything you care about with the shit-headed excuse for a network...

It needs to have FREAKIN AWESOME MS. And it has to have a good and innovative fight system. I've always wondered why they never went for an action/adventure RPG style game (akin to Kingdom Hearts).

Because, again, you run into 'which group of fans do you want to please'? Gundam SEED nearly got the action/RPG from Level 5, but it was cancelled due to how badly SEED Destiny was received. Remember, Gundam is a huge franchise with many, many chapters - you have to think of it like the Star Wars or Star Trek licenses. Quality will often have to come in SPITE of the licensing and legal hassles.

Sunstreaker2
2011-10-13, 08:00 PM
I'm dying for a kit, I haven't built anything since MG Epyon two months ago.

A pair of High Grades should do nicely.

Hound
2011-10-13, 08:46 PM
I'm getting a Zeta Gundam kit as soon as I have money again.

Sunstreaker2
2011-10-13, 11:56 PM
I'm getting a Zeta Gundam kit as soon as I have money again.

Master Grade? High Grade?

Hound
2011-10-14, 05:39 AM
High Grade, cause it's what I can afford.

Jaynz
2011-10-14, 01:41 PM
High Grade, cause it's what I can afford.

I'm largely in the same boat. It's really hard to justify over $50 for any single model. But damn if the MG Epyon doesn't make me drool...

On the other hand, if you're just looking for some good suits, or would be happy with the older mid-grade sets (for, say, getting your Gundam X or Gundam Victory-eta suits), try robots4less . I'm not sure what international shipping will do to the cost, but the prices are excellent otherwise.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-14, 05:20 PM
The HG version of the Zeta is pretty decent - actually most of the HG's are nice, I really can't complain about them (well, some of the older ones, really could have used an additional colour on the plastic tree...)

But Zeta is such a lovely suit. If you can, save up for the MG or even the PG... it'll take... 10 times longer, at least, to build, but it is so gorgeous.

That being said, I actually prefer my figures over kits, and just using the kits to fill in the suits that don't have anything else.

The FIX of the Zeta is REALLY nice, as are the Zeta Pluses

Hound
2011-10-14, 06:20 PM
The comic shop I go to has a MG Epyon that I soooooo want. So expensive though. He's got the HG Wing Gundam and Wing Gundam Zero too though. Someday...

Brave Maximus
2011-10-14, 06:35 PM
the MG epy is pretty... really, really pretty.

They are a bit of fun, if you've never tried an MG before

Hound
2011-10-14, 06:50 PM
Maybe someday. I hope...

Sunstreaker2
2011-10-14, 06:59 PM
Did someone say MG Epyon?

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh222/rockmanDX3/Epyon1.jpg

Yup, I've got it. Feel free to drool, buckets are provided.

Jaynz
2011-10-14, 07:26 PM
The HG version of the Zeta is pretty decent - actually most of the HG's are nice, I really can't complain about them (well, some of the older ones, really could have used an additional colour on the plastic tree...)

The new HGs are indeed very nice. A few of the SEED ones (such as the Blitz) needed another color sprue, but there's been less and less of that issue since then. The new Universal Century suits have been gorgeous.

But Zeta is such a lovely suit. If you can, save up for the MG or even the PG... it'll take... 10 times longer, at least, to build, but it is so gorgeous.

I still think the best set for the Zeta is the Gryphos three-set. The MK II Gundam isn't one that I care too much about, but the metallic sheen on the Zeta is stunning. More than that, the gold Hyaku Shiki remains a highlight of my collection, despite being one of my older purchases.

Sunstreaker2
2011-10-29, 04:54 PM
I just bought Bandai's new Master Grade Gundam Sandrock.

The wait is going to be torture.

Jaynz
2011-10-29, 11:07 PM
I just bought Bandai's new Master Grade Gundam Sandrock.

The wait is going to be torture.

I've got a NG 1/144 Blaze Zaku and Slash Zaku heading my way - largely as fodder for a couple of HG 1/144 Warrior Zakus that feel naked. I'm stripping the NG's for their Wizard Packs.

Just got the GunPla 'Comic Con' Hyaku Shiki (Byaku Shiki) as well, and will likely start getting it together past dins tonight or sometime in the morning, depending on my family duties.

Brave Maximus
2011-10-29, 11:38 PM
I am finding that while I love my model kits... I'm only liking them for suits without actual figures.

I like the action figures.... but NO ONE around here stocks them... and I'm kind of an instant-gratification kind of guy, so I hate ordering from HLJ and waiting.... ><

Jaynz
2011-10-30, 12:19 AM
I am finding that while I love my model kits... I'm only liking them for suits without actual figures.

I like the action figures.... but NO ONE around here stocks them... and I'm kind of an instant-gratification kind of guy, so I hate ordering from HLJ and waiting.... ><

The new Japanese figures (FIX, etc.) are very limited in number and fairly hard to get in. They're also largely of figures that have already been made into action figures. The older ones made for US Domestic Release are a bit more plentiful, but we're nearly 10 years out for their release now, and Bandai hasn't shown any signs of releasing any of them here again, even as a limited 'collector's' release.

Tetsuro
2011-10-30, 01:44 AM
I've finally decided to get my first Gundam model kit, starting with the Master Grade 1/100 RX-78 - which HLJ won't stock until December. Doh!

Sunstreaker2
2011-11-05, 07:45 PM
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh222/rockmanDX3/Sandrock1.jpg

Check it out.

Hound
2011-11-22, 09:03 PM
My Gryphios War Set arrived. I now have to convince Sadie to let me take up an entire table putting them together. I'm going to be very hard to get to pay attention to things for a few days I think...

Also I'm 17 or so episodes into Turn A and it's so far very interesting. The androgyny is a bit silly but otherwise I like every single character. It's proving to be a lot of fun.

Sunstreaker2
2011-11-23, 01:30 AM
I caught up with Gundam Unicorn recently.

Episode 3 is probably the best Gundam anything I've seen in a long time, it's absolutely fantastic.

Jaynz
2011-11-23, 02:45 AM
My Gryphios War Set arrived. I now have to convince Sadie to let me take up an entire table putting them together. I'm going to be very hard to get to pay attention to things for a few days I think...

You don't need to do all three at the same time. The parts are separated between the models, so just take one out of the box each. (See what I mean about how pretty the Hyaku Shiki is?)

Also I'm 17 or so episodes into Turn A and it's so far very interesting. The androgyny is a bit silly but otherwise I like every single character. It's proving to be a lot of fun.

Wish I could comment more. I do know that Loran's initial character concept was for him to be a FEMALE, and the constant cross-dressing and 'fey' appearance is a bit of a "take that" to all that.

Hound
2011-11-23, 08:06 AM
Put together Zeta Gundam tonight, Tomorrow Hyaku Shiki!

Jaynz
2011-11-23, 02:40 PM
Put together Zeta Gundam tonight, Tomorrow Hyaku Shiki!

Pity we can't upload pictures in this thread. The Hyaku Shiki is a nice build, just watch the shoulder hoses and ALSO, be very aware of the little extra 'flash points' that require sanding on the majority of the gold pieces (you'll see it in the instructions). I don't know why Bandai did that for this model, but it's a little frustrating when you miss one and suddenly can't get the arms together.

Knightdramon
2011-11-23, 08:39 PM
After watching the four episodes of Unicorn's OVA, I started watching Zeta [TV version] for the first time.

Got to go unpack my Rick Dias, MK II and Hyuakushiki soon. Series isn't bad so far.

Jaynz
2011-11-23, 08:49 PM
After watching the four episodes of Unicorn's OVA, I started watching Zeta [TV version] for the first time.

I would love to hear your thoughts as you watch it...

Got to go unpack my Rick Dias, MK II and Hyuakushiki soon. Series isn't bad so far.

Hyaku Shiki... two words. :)

Sades
2011-11-23, 11:24 PM
Hyaku Shiki

SHINY

Hound
2011-11-24, 06:40 AM
Indeed it is. Very nice figure. The little antenna on the head is annoying though and I may just buy some superglue for it.

Knightdramon
2011-11-24, 10:22 AM
So far Zeta is enjoyable. I think I've covered the first twenty minutes of the compilation movies so far form the four episodes.

What I'm really enjoying is Quattro's role thus far. He's like the powerhouse behind the AEUG [until Kamile commits himself fully]. Surprisingly not much of the series suffers from the fact that it was a boy's anime from over 20 years ago. The dialogue isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.

Cliffjumper
2011-11-24, 02:37 PM
There is a Hell of a leap in quality all-round (acting, animation, general tone, character depth) from Gundam to Zeta Gundam. I adore the first series, but largely for what it is, which isn't too far off a super robot show. It's got more in common with Raideen or Voltes than it has with a lot of Gundam.

Zeta, though, has aged pretty gracefully, certainly from a technical point of view. Much of it's... not my cup of tea, though. I like the first dozen or so episodes the best. The problem with the Shiki is that gold chrome doesn't translate well to cel animations, meaning Quattro's lumbered with flying the Piss Gundam for the series.

TBH, the complete lack of likeable characters kills it for me. Kamille's not actually too bad and it's probably Char's best sustained showing, but Amuro is rather wasted and ignored after a great re-introduction (the same is true for basically all the White Base crew - Kai especially) - at about that point the series drastically loses momentum for me. Katz or Letz (I forget which one) is a genuine Scrappy Doo, Kamille gets involved with a string of faceless, humourless psychic headcases, Emma's characterisation is basically that she has massive tits...

Turn A, however, I love in a way that it's probably not right to love. Loran's fantastic, probably my favourite-ever Gundam (Tomino, even - as much as Cosmo's a great character, he's also a bit of a brat) lead, the supporting cast is near-perfect - Guin, Gavan Gooney, Teleth, Will Game, Dianna, Phil & Poe and, of course, Harry (Red Team annoyed me a bit, but they're the only blip) - the music, the animation, the machinery designs, the way it ****s with continuity pedants by randomly merging different universes, the cross-dressing, Keith baking like a maniac regardless of circumstances...

I almost wet myself with joy when the Gundam Hammer comes out again.

I'm going to go and watch it again.

Jaynz
2011-11-24, 02:40 PM
Indeed it is. Very nice figure. The little antenna on the head is annoying though and I may just buy some superglue for it.

Antenna and crests are the banes of a Gunpla fan's existence. Do yourself a favor and buy a small bit of model glue (the type that has a small-tip point) for the few times that you'll need it.

Sunstreaker2
2011-11-24, 03:32 PM
I think I'll watch Zeta again.

I always loved the out there mecha design of suits like the Gaplant, Byalant, Gabthley, and Asshimar.

Tetsuro
2011-12-01, 07:03 PM
After shuffling around for weeks trying to decide which Gunpla kit I should start out with, I decided to choose the Master Grade Zeta Gundam.

I got sick of messing around with model kit glue when I was a kid so snap-on kits or bust pls.

Jaynz
2011-12-01, 10:14 PM
After shuffling around for weeks trying to decide which Gunpla kit I should start out with, I decided to choose the Master Grade Zeta Gundam.

I got sick of messing around with model kit glue when I was a kid so snap-on kits or bust pls.

Master Grade Zeta (a transformable suit) is a pretty major endeavor if you're just starting out in Gunpla. If you want a Master Grade suit (1/100 MG) you may consider starting a little simpler like the RX-78, Zaku II, or the like.

Hound
2011-12-02, 03:03 AM
Here's my Gundams!

Sunstreaker2
2011-12-02, 04:08 AM
That all you got?

Hound
2011-12-02, 04:11 AM
Yes.

Jaynz
2011-12-02, 05:36 AM
That all you got?

Heh, not every Gundam fan has a wall of mobile suits, ya know. :) I've actually been having to clear some of them out of late just to make room. (Doing winter stocks for canned goods, so my garage shelf space is getting limited.)

Tetsuro
2011-12-02, 01:00 PM
Master Grade Zeta (a transformable suit) is a pretty major endeavor if you're just starting out in Gunpla. If you want a Master Grade suit (1/100 MG) you may consider starting a little simpler like the RX-78, Zaku II, or the like.
This is the part where I do the Dr. Evil's delayed reaction where he just says "Shit."

And HLJ has almost nothing in stock either and I don't want them to suddenly send me an e-mail asking me to pay up when I have no money left.

Jaynz
2011-12-02, 03:03 PM
This is the part where I do the Dr. Evil's delayed reaction where he just says "Shit."

And HLJ has almost nothing in stock either and I don't want them to suddenly send me an e-mail asking me to pay up when I have no money left.

For MG models (which I usually avoid due to price) you really just need to be very patient and not try to build the Zeta all at once. Also, do yourself a BIG favor and hit a hobby store, pick up a good pair of sprue cutters and a small file for flash. These tools will be a godsend to you for any model kit.

Lastly, though I think the MG models largely eschew any need for paint, you may want to look at the weathering and Federation Gundam Marker sets. If you do this, be sure to pick up one or two Gundam Marker Eraser/Cleaners as well. These are much nicer and thinner than any grade of Testor's and will help immensely with all those little fiddly bits that may not be correctly colored on the sprue.

Tetsuro
2011-12-02, 10:52 PM
It's all so complicated. Maybe I should just start up by picking up one of the Ball MGs. How hard can a ball be? :D

Jaynz
2011-12-03, 01:33 AM
It's all so complicated. Maybe I should just start up by picking up one of the Ball MGs. How hard can a ball be? :D

They'll make it hard.. they'll make it hard.

Actually MG isn't too hard (just time consuming), it's just that the Zeta is a fairly complicated suit to put together as your first build. At least you didn't snag the old MG ZZ... there would be a flood of tears.

Sunstreaker2
2011-12-03, 04:49 AM
My High Grade Universal Century Marasai and Sazabi made it here...but of course they're Christmas presents and I cannot build them.

Really looking forward to building the Sazabi.

Hound
2011-12-20, 05:48 AM
Looks like I'm watching G Gundam ahead of schedule. The other half's brother wanted copies of a whole bunch of Gundam DVDs including G Gundam, so I went and bought the box sets. I'll watch it after Turn A.

I'm 20 episodes into Turn A and it's fricking awesome! This may be the only series where I actually like every single character. Holy crap! Seriously, they're all awesome. Also the plot is fantastic. The only complaint... I don't particularly care for the Gundam design.

Sunstreaker2
2011-12-21, 02:53 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330656809883?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1287

Can't believe I won this thing.

It doesn't look huge, but it's a foot tall figure...Perfect Grade size at a Master Grade cost with MSiA simplicity!

Sades
2011-12-21, 06:33 AM
The only complaint... I don't particularly care for the Gundam design.

Mustache? But it's GOT A MUSTACHE.

btw, I googled "Mustache Gundam" and found this: http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/126/4/a/4af48c3cb658bb8032224f1fe107c9d1-d3fpkj6.png

... it is not mustached, but at least it's OT.

Sunstreaker2
2011-12-27, 10:42 PM
The High Grade Universal Century Sazabi kit is absolutely fantastic, do yourselves a favor and buy one.

Jaynz
2011-12-28, 12:23 AM
Let's see, just to get myself up to speed for the Holidays. I got a few more kits to go over, but I'll have to scrape the time together to actually make them.

HG Shining Gundam
Though I'm not a huge fan of this Gundam I already had the pitiful 1990s 1/144 version, which I still question was a knock-off that snuck into Bandai's distribution chain. An update was sorely needed.

Shining Gundam is a pretty faithful representation of the mecha and has a lot of the detail that was missing on the first incarnation. In truth, I like most aspects of this new model but I was slightly underwelmed by it. The details are there, but the 'hyper mode' gimmicks seem to be lacking. The 'gold reveals' in the shoulders are shiny stickers which don't quite work here. The legs have blue stickers over the red frames, and most of the 'hyper mode' requires either parts swapping (new head, hands, etc.) or rearragement rather than sliding.

It's not a bad model, and its definately an massive improvement over the old 1/144 line. It's just not as good as the Nobel turned out to be, and definately seemed to get the short end of Bandai's time for this wave.

X Gundam
This is the 1990s Gundam X model and, as such, has a lot of issues. It does a passable job of being the Gundam X, though it sorely lacks detail and relies excessively on blue stickers nearly everywhere to break up the white arms and legs. It's a simple and easy build, though, and definately worth the bargain bin prices that this kit goes for... but that's because there's a far superior HG kit out now.

Sunstreaker2
2011-12-30, 12:35 AM
I got my DX Gundam GP01fb today, this thing rocks.

Now I just have to hope the seller finds the pieces she didn't send me, because otherwise my GP01fb has no beam sabers.

Hound
2012-02-07, 12:06 AM
I finished Turn A and it was truly great start to finish. Didn't have a single bad episode. I loved every character throughout. There were no annoying toddlers running about for no reason.

I do have a question.

Did Loran and Dianna get married? I thought I saw a ring on her finger but it wasn't like they were acting like a married couple in the ending there.

Loved that ending BTW, Sochie had me tearing up.

Jaynz
2012-02-07, 12:44 AM
I do have a question.

Did Loran and Dianna get married? I thought I saw a ring on her finger but it wasn't like they were acting like a married couple in the ending there.

Yes, Loran and Dianna do get married at the end. Keep in mind that this is Gundam, where romance is hinted at, but really discussing it suddenly turns into a major fit of the 'cooties'. Also, Dianna's health is rapidly deteriorating, and Loran is also doubling as nursemaid, effectively.

Hound
2012-02-07, 02:42 AM
I'm not doubting you but is that somehow explained and I just missed all of that?

Jaynz
2012-02-07, 05:31 AM
I'm not doubting you but is that somehow explained and I just missed all of that?

Last few minutes of the last episode. That whole 'wrap up' is pretty much an afterthought on the show, but it's explained more (according to mechatalk.com, anyway) in the manga.

Sades
2012-02-08, 08:13 AM
Ah shit. I think I just ruined the ending of Turn A for myself.

:(

I bought Hound something shiny, because I rock. But he's waiting till he can get a picture apparently. Poppycock, I say. Poppycock.

Hound
2012-02-08, 08:17 AM
It's the Epyon, MG even which was soooooo much fun putting together BTW. He is so pretty. I will get pics of him. Eventually.

Hound
2012-02-12, 03:47 AM
See now I'm torn. I have the G Gundam DVD sets but I downloaded Gundam X. I'm pretty sure that I'll like Gundam X more but watching G Gundam would be easier to do.

And I read on Wiki that Bandai is no longer releasing DVDs and stuff directly anymore. That they're going to be licensing to other companies for that kind of stuff now.

Guess that means that any chance of a Turn A release is pretty much gone now...

Jaynz
2012-02-12, 04:06 AM
It's hard to say which you should watch. G Gundam really requires a 'mood' to be in, just when you just want to do something over-the-top silly at times and keep the brain off. IT's not likely something you'll marathon all at once, but instead mini-marathon an arc at a time.

X Gundam is, of course, closer to the spirit of regular Gundam series and could be something you'll want to go from beginning to end. It's also a little shorter (I believe), so if you can find a good sub source, it may not be too hard to get into all at once.

I wouldn't write off Turn X just yet. There are interested parties for distribution. It's just a matter of seeing if they can handle the licensing fees that are required.

Knightdramon
2012-02-12, 09:08 PM
I strongly believe that everybody should watch Unicorn. EVERYBODY.

Four out and two to go.

From your choices, I prefer X. I did watch it and it's not bad, and pretty fun. Characters feel a bit generic though.

G Gundam is basically DBZ with gundams instead of super saiyans :swirly:

Sunstreaker2
2012-02-12, 10:07 PM
Episode 4 of Unicorn had some kickass MS, but plotwise was inferior to 2 and 3.

Brave Maximus
2012-02-13, 01:28 AM
I wouldn't say the X characters are generic...

Garod is pretty awesome, especially his intro. He's also light hearted, which is a switch from.... pretty much every Gundam pilot EVER (except maybe Duo). Jamil is... well, kind of what I was hoping for from Amuro in Zeta.
The bridge bunnies are.... bridge Bunnies.

I liked X, a lot... I wish they had been given a full 52 instead of being cut short :(

Sunstreaker2
2012-02-28, 03:53 AM
I just ordered my first ever Robot Damashii figure, Crossbone Gundam X-2.

Can't wait to get it.

Hound
2012-03-05, 06:57 PM
I watched the first 4 episodes of Gundam X and I thought it was good but pretty much just like Zeta or ZZ. So far at least. It helps that I liked Zeta and ZZ.

I'm without my own computer right now though so I'm probably going to start watching G Gundam, since I have the actual DVDs and I only have Gundam X downloaded.

Hound
2012-03-08, 01:19 AM
I'm about 6 episodes into G Gundam and it's goofy and the voice acting is mostly terrible.

I dunno that I really hate it but it's not awesome.

Someone said it gets better and I'm hoping that is so.

Still, I'm not really struggling to get through it. In fact, I seem to be getting through this series a lot quicker than a lot of the others...

So want a Neo Mexico Gundam model, love the sombrero!

Jaynz
2012-03-08, 06:34 PM
I'm about 6 episodes into G Gundam and it's goofy and the voice acting is mostly terrible.

It's good in the first episode, then just really gos to crap for a few more. Most of them settle into the feel of it in a few episodes, fortunately. Domon's voice actor really does get better... The goofy does not go away, as I warned you.

I dunno that I really hate it but it's not awesome.

There are some major moments of awesome in the show, but they're puncuation points in the goofy.

Someone said it gets better and I'm hoping that is so.

One the show picks its premise and runs with it, it can be some mindless fun. As I warned you earlier, though, it's best to look at G Gundam as a parody of Japanese boys' anime more than a straight take all itself. Really, the whole thing takes the piss out of Dragonball Z...

So want a Neo Mexico Gundam model, love the sombrero!

Some of the G Gundam designs are really good. the Taquila Gundam (yes, seriously) is actually a fairly solid design all around, even with the Sombrero. The series, unfortuntely, is known for the more bizzare Gundams, which you'll see as the series progresses.

Brave Maximus
2012-03-09, 02:02 AM
The series, unfortuntely, is known for the more bizzare Gundams, which you'll see as the series progresses.

Windmill, Viking and mermaid gundams being my fav...

Hound
2012-03-09, 05:14 AM
I found a site a long while back that has profiles and stuff for most of the different Gundam series so I've seen all the different Gundams from G Gundam. I love most of them just cause they're so ridiculous. I think I'm enjoying the anticipation of which crazy Gundam design I'm going to see next most of all.

Hound
2012-03-23, 11:51 PM
I'm nearly done with G Gundam. I must say that the series gets much better when Domon gets to Neo Hong Kong and the final tournament starts.

Interesting to note that so far this is the only extended series that hasn't started with a young boy happening on a Gundam and somehow becoming the pilot.

Of course I haven't watched SEED and 00 yet.

Brave Maximus
2012-03-24, 10:40 AM
SEED is a re-telling of the original MSG...ish, so yeah, boy gets stuck in a Gundam.

00 doesn't follow the "shoved into a gundam by fate" path. I quite enjoyed the series... but the end of the movie left a bad taste in my mouth, for some reason.

Sunstreaker2
2012-03-25, 12:21 AM
The latest series suddenly became, well, GOOD with the second generation.

Knightdramon
2012-03-25, 08:52 AM
SEED is fun to watch, not a bad series and lots of awesome gundam designs.

00 is my favourite in the franchise so far, but the movie did let me down in the end. Nonetheless, it's two hours of mecha porn!!!

Haven't bothered with AGE yet, I like the mecha designs but the character models do not appeal to me at all...

Cliffjumper
2012-03-25, 02:58 PM
I finished Turn A and it was truly great start to finish. Didn't have a single bad episode. I loved every character throughout. There were no annoying toddlers running about for no reason.

I do have a question.

Did Loran and Dianna get married? I thought I saw a ring on her finger but it wasn't like they were acting like a married couple in the ending there.

Loved that ending BTW, Sochie had me tearing up.

Turn A's just superb top-to-bottom. The ending's fantastic because "Everyone lives, all more or less happily" is about the last thing you're expecting.

Lora's easily the best protagonist in any Gundam series - likeable to the point of being genuinely adorable. All of the characters are fantastic, and loads are very well developed - Poe, for example, looks like she's going to be a standard "loses every time" rubbish anime henchperson, then halfway through the series they add some real layers to her and Phil. I love Corin just because he's out of his tree - "GUUUUUUUNDAAAAAAAAM!!!!". And then there's Harry out-Charing Char. Best of all (maybe) is Guine, who should be a massive cock, but is so well developed you're glad that he survives.

The suits and animation are fabulous, but the soundboard really deserves a call-out - all of the battles just sound so great. And the music is something else - not just the theme tunes but the scoring as well, really captures the mix of low and high technology. And the references are so great as well - I cheered the first time the white doll starts legging it towards something dragging the bloody Gundam hammer behind it, and when the Borjanon Suicide Squad (best team name ever?) pop up with their Zakus.

With the ending, Loran's basically assexual and seems to basically marry Deanna so the pair of them can live out their days in peace and company.

Hound
2012-03-27, 03:56 PM
Turn A's just superb top-to-bottom. The ending's fantastic because "Everyone lives, all more or less happily" is about the last thing you're expecting.I know I was expecting Loran to be dead, and Dianna too, and especially Guine, but they just don't! Crazy...
Lora's easily the best protagonist in any Gundam series - likeable to the point of being genuinely adorable. All of the characters are fantastic, and loads are very well developed - Poe, for example, looks like she's going to be a standard "loses every time" rubbish anime henchperson, then halfway through the series they add some real layers to her and Phil. I love Corin just because he's out of his tree - "GUUUUUUUNDAAAAAAAAM!!!!". And then there's Harry out-Charing Char. Best of all (maybe) is Guine, who should be a massive cock, but is so well developed you're glad that he survives.Agreeing with all of that. I was saying from the very beginning how unusual but great it was that every single character is likeable and cool in this thing. Even Corin's two goofy sidekicks aren't annoying and become great characters without him pretty quickly. It's awesome...
The suits and animation are fabulous, but the soundboard really deserves a call-out - all of the battles just sound so great. And the music is something else - not just the theme tunes but the scoring as well, really captures the mix of low and high technology. And the references are so great as well - I cheered the first time the white doll starts legging it towards something dragging the bloody Gundam hammer behind it, and when the Borjanon Suicide Squad (best team name ever?) pop up with their Zakus.I'm actually not a fan of the suit designs. They aren't terrible, but they aren't great either, just my opinion. The music and sound though I agree a 100% with. Loved the Gundam hammer too. I wish my RX-78-2 model had come with it. Came with everything else...
With the ending, Loran's basically assexual and seems to basically marry Deanna so the pair of them can live out their days in peace and company.Yeah, he seems to be more her caretaker than her husband and it doesn't actually tell you why she's sick either. Unless I missed something.

Jaynz
2012-03-28, 05:47 AM
SEED is a re-telling of the original MSG...ish, so yeah, boy gets stuck in a Gundam.

Well, one thing about Destiny that's a little positive is that Shinn is actually assigned as the Impulse Gundam pilot. (Impulse and Destiny, damn if his Gundams weren't aptly named... not even subtle). Kira is at least shown to be a competent mobile suit expert before getting the Strike at least.. he's just not in the military.

00 doesn't follow the "shoved into a gundam by fate" path. I quite enjoyed the series... but the end of the movie left a bad taste in my mouth, for some reason.

I want to enjoy 00 more, and it was the first series in awhile to show the United States in a more positive light (SEED's director is, let's face it, a huge bigot and it showed in his two series).. but there was too much angst and ennui with the characters and the only one that I really liked... got replaced by his insanely identical twin. Feh.

Hound
2012-04-03, 03:31 PM
Finished G Gundam yesterday and am back to watching Gundam X.

Nice ending. I gotta say I loved the second half of this one. It was really good. Almost like the writers got changed after 24 episodes...

Knightdramon
2012-04-03, 07:00 PM
Watching Gundam Age. Just finished the first episode.

Started watching because of the unique enemy mobile suits and the fact that I really, really like how simple and neat the AGE is.

From what I've read it gets really good later on, but I'm not that impressed so far. It followed the basic gundam formula to the letter.

Boy has a tragic past with mobile suits
Boy has some connection to the gundam mobile type, which is untested
Enemy mobile suits attack
Chaos ensues, grunt suits fall like nothing
Gundam awakens, beats up enemy with nothing but beam sabre\dagger.

Hmmm...

Hound
2012-04-03, 07:56 PM
I have heard it gets better in the second era but that the first part was kind of "bleh". Maybe the third era will be just amazing and make the whole thing worthwhile. Hopefully...

relak
2012-04-06, 04:34 PM
ah a Gundam thread. Dont mind i jump in.

Me heap big Gundam fan

Watched everything from the original 1979 series to 00 and have every R1 Gundam DVD.

Alas i didnt quite like the SEED series or G as much as the others.

My top few are
1) 08th Ms Team
2) Gundam Unicorn
3) Gundam 0083: Stardust Memories
4) Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket

Knightdramon
2012-04-06, 08:24 PM
Up to episode 11 of Gundam AGE. Been watching UK and US series for so long I forgot the sweetness of 22 minutes episodes.

Not as bad as I thought, mildly entertaining and it does break the norm of other military-esque gundam shows. One of the best ship captains so far, beats the crap out of Sumeragi and Murrue of the last gundam shows.

I'm probably getting closer to the final battle and era-change, let's see how that turns out.

Hound
2012-04-26, 06:46 PM
I just finished watching Gundam X today and I liked it a lot.

It had an ok story, good characters and great mobile suits.

The only thing I didn't like was that the big conflict at the end was seemingly all about a differing opinion of what a Newtype was. There should have been a couple more episodes I think. They could have made the ending a little more dramatic.

I loved the characters in this one. Especially Garrod, Tiffa and Jamille. They were fantastic.

Also love the Gundam X and Double X. Beautiful suits.

relak
2012-04-27, 04:49 PM
I just finished watching Gundam X today and I liked it a lot.

It had an ok story, good characters and great mobile suits.

The only thing I didn't like was that the big conflict at the end was seemingly all about a differing opinion of what a Newtype was. There should have been a couple more episodes I think. They could have made the ending a little more dramatic.

I loved the characters in this one. Especially Garrod, Tiffa and Jamille. They were fantastic.

Also love the Gundam X and Double X. Beautiful suits.

Well gundam X was a victim of being prematurely cancelled. Hence why the last few eps seem rushed.

Jaynz
2012-04-27, 05:33 PM
Also love the Gundam X and Double X. Beautiful suits.

Even though I'm not sold on their main gimmick (the backpack collectors), I do like their overall designs. There are a bunch of pretty solid Gundams in that series, actually, though each seems to have a bizzare 'semi-transform' gimmick that winds up hurting them a little.

The Airmaster pair, though, are two fairly nice "Transform" Gundams. I'm a bit surprised that they don't get more love. I see a lot on the leads, the Virsago, and even the Leopard...

Hound
2012-06-17, 05:18 AM
I took a long break from Gundam but have now started watching 00. I'm only 3 episodes in but it's ok. Female looking males is a little disturbing and confusing but that's minor I suppose.

I've gotten a few new kits recently. Well kinda, they're the cheap 1/144 kits, so I'm not sure I really count them. Still they are decent I guess. I've got the Sandrock and Shenlong from Gundam Wing. These small, cheap kits are about all I can afford right now. I got the MG Epyon for Xmas last year so I figure I'll get the rest of the Wing Gundams in this smaller, cheaper format.

It's the UC Gundams I really want anyway and I'll not be settling for anything less than HG on those. Though I did get a Guntank, and it's one of those 1/200 High Complete figures. I like it even though it's pretty small but now I have to get a Guncannon. :)

relak
2012-06-18, 06:08 AM
I took a long break from Gundam but have now started watching 00. I'm only 3 episodes in but it's ok. Female looking males is a little disturbing and confusing but that's minor I suppose.

:)

Lol, I thought female looking males were a staple of AU Gundam series since Wing. Though Seed and 00 have it worst

Hound
2012-06-18, 01:47 PM
Lol, I thought female looking males were a staple of AU Gundam series since Wing. Though Seed and 00 have it worst00 is the only one I've noticed it in. Haven't watched SEED yet though. Well aside from Loran in Turn A but that was on purpose. I'm pretty sure that I heard somewhere that Loran was supposed to be female but that Bandai stepped in and said that there had to be a male lead in the series so Tomino making him androgynous was kind of a middle finger to Bandai or something like that. Much of Turn A was like that I think.

Sunstreaker2
2012-06-19, 04:23 AM
Go buy Robot Damashii Wing Gundam Zero. You fools.

Katoki or Okawara, you can't go wrong with either one.

relak
2012-06-20, 01:45 AM
00 is the only one I've noticed it in. Haven't watched SEED yet though. Well aside from Loran in Turn A but that was on purpose. I'm pretty sure that I heard somewhere that Loran was supposed to be female but that Bandai stepped in and said that there had to be a male lead in the series so Tomino making him androgynous was kind of a middle finger to Bandai or something like that. Much of Turn A was like that I think.

And it sure doesnt help that those japanese tend to cast according to how a character looks rather than who the character is.

If the guy has more feminine features, chances are he'll be voiced by a woman thus further heightening the "girly man" feel.

One of the reasons why i've prefered to watch Gundam in english.

Jaynz
2012-06-24, 07:55 PM
Very true.. also, the voice-actor issues really have hurt the Gundam series in recent years as well, which you really wouldn't see in American releases. Sayla Mass was effectively written out of Gundam due to some internal conflict with her voice actress and Tomino. Also, apparently there was a pretty big scandal between SEED's producer/director and the voice actress for Cagalli as well, which the producer took out on the character.

Here, we just recast based on vocal ability, oddly enough...

relak
2012-06-25, 04:00 AM
Very true.. also, the voice-actor issues really have hurt the Gundam series in recent years as well, which you really wouldn't see in American releases. Sayla Mass was effectively written out of Gundam due to some internal conflict with her voice actress and Tomino. Also, apparently there was a pretty big scandal between SEED's producer/director and the voice actress for Cagalli as well, which the producer took out on the character.

Here, we just recast based on vocal ability, oddly enough...

Is that any different with Hollywood directors and actress scandals?

But this is the first time i've heard of such personal issues actually affecting the in-universe fictional storyline. haha

Still, i'd like my 15 year old guys to sound like 15 year old guys (eg: Quatre, Nicol, etc) and not 40 year old women.

Jaynz
2012-06-25, 01:54 PM
Is that any different with Hollywood directors and actress scandals?

It doesn't ususually wind up hurting the end product, though there are exceptions. (Though not a sexual scandal, we don't have to look farther than Megan "Everyone I hate is a Nazi" Fox).

But this is the first time i've heard of such personal issues actually affecting the in-universe fictional storyline. haha

Though not as true now, in Japan it's considered very gauche to replace someone in a creative role. They would rather write a key character out (Sayla Mass) or even end a series than simply recast someone. This has given us some bizzare situations in anime, particularly for the longer-running franchises.

Still, i'd like my 15 year old guys to sound like 15 year old guys (eg: Quatre, Nicol, etc) and not 40 year old women.

I do have to credit the American dubs of Wing, etc. for getting fairly suitable voices for the cast. I've heard some of the original Japanese tracks for some shows and I just can't help but shake my head. Japan must have some very effiminate young boys over there...

Tetsuro
2012-07-04, 07:34 PM
Though not as true now, in Japan it's considered very gauche to replace someone in a creative role. They would rather write a key character out (Sayla Mass) or even end a series than simply recast someone.
I used to think that must be why adult Goku sounds like kid Goku instead of a man, but I've seen enough anime where they had the common sense of replacing the VA with someone who can pass off as an adult when a character grows up.

Meanwhile, I completed the HGUC RX-78 vs Zaku II set I bought from HLJ. Probably could've done a bit better job if I had some sanding tools which prompted me to order some model kit tools from there too while I consider which kit I should take up as my next project. Probably the MG RX-78 since I was supposed to get that last year.

Sades
2012-07-07, 03:54 AM
I want a Haro.

Hound
2012-07-07, 04:01 AM
Me too! I should look at getting one.

Sades
2012-07-07, 04:03 AM
Yay. I'll call it Spanky.

Him: "Ah, they have it on eBay... 15 bucks. They have it in pink."

Me: "I WANNA PINK ONE!"

Him: F**k you, I want green! Oh, they don't have it in green..."

Just for posterity. Hound was pwned by eBay. Our children must know.

Tetsuro
2012-07-09, 08:11 AM
Does it talk?

Sades
2012-07-09, 02:44 PM
That'd be nice, wouldn't it? We haven't got him yet- but it's on the list.

Eggs, milk, bread, Haro.

On a more related to thread note, I've been watching 00 and the first Gundam show with Hound. They're aiight, too early to really have much of an opinion. I'm leaning towards liking 00 more right now, but not by much.

Hound
2012-07-09, 02:48 PM
On a more related to thread note, I've been watching 00 and the first Gundam show with Hound. They're aiight, too early to really have much of an opinion. I'm leaning towards liking 00 more right now, but not by much.That is crazy talk. I feel completely the opposite...

She's seen 13 episodes of 00 and 4 of MSG though.

Sunstreaker2
2012-07-09, 11:52 PM
I sure wish I could get the purple Jerk Haro from 00.

relak
2012-07-10, 12:51 AM
Guys, on the topic of GUNDAM 0079, i ve seen screenshots of a particuarly infamous episode of Gundam in which the art is completely off model.

I read online that the episode was disavowed by the creator himself and left out of subsequent video releases.

But there is bound to be the episode on at least one video release right?
Those screenshots looked quite ok so it couldnt have been from a VHS rip

Hound
2012-07-10, 03:32 AM
I don't know about the off model part, I know which episode you're talking about, I've seen the episode and I didn't notice anything wrong with it.

It's never been dubbed but you can find it online with fansubs.

I thought it was a pretty good episode but apparently Tomino can't stand it.

As for being on any official release, I dunno. Could be on a Japanese release of the series or on some bootleg collection.

PS: It's "Mobile Suit Gundam" not Gundam 0079. :glance:

relak
2012-07-10, 07:02 AM
I don't know about the off model part, I know which episode you're talking about, I've seen the episode and I didn't notice anything wrong with it.

It's never been dubbed but you can find it online with fansubs.

I thought it was a pretty good episode but apparently Tomino can't stand it.

As for being on any official release, I dunno. Could be on a Japanese release of the series or on some bootleg collection.

PS: It's "Mobile Suit Gundam" not Gundam 0079. :glance:
Thank goodness you know what youre talking about.

I've been on anime forums where i mention "Mobile Suit Gundam" and they're like "Which Mobile Suit Gundam?"

So i have to say "Gundam 0079" or "The original 1979 Gundam"

Hound
2012-07-12, 04:13 AM
Well I'm well on my way to having a figure for all the Gundams in Gundam Wing. So far I've got an MG Epyon, 1/144 scale models of Shenlong, Deathscythe, Sandrock and I just got a Heavyarms last night. I've found that I'm really taken with the Heavyarms Gundam. It's absolutely a gorgeous design and with all it's weapons it's pretty kick ass.

I discovered that there isn't model kits for the Heavyarms Kai and Sandrock Kai though. Apparently there just wasn't enough of a difference between the original designs and the upgraded forms to warrant releasing new kits.

I did find that they did action figures in the Mobile Suit In Action (MSIA) line for the Sandrock Kai and Heavyarms Kai and found them online relatively cheaply.

So now I just need to get the Wing, Wing Zero, Altron, Deathscythe Hell and the Endless Waltz versions and I'm all done with the Gundam Wing kits I want.

Tetsuro
2012-07-14, 05:07 AM
So I take the odds of a MG Psycho Gundam aren't too good?

Not that I'm surprised, the HG Psycho Gundam is almost as tall as MG Perfect Zeong!

Hound
2012-07-15, 07:17 AM
Well, I'm no expert mind you but as far as I can tell Bandai is far more concerned with releasing kits for the current animes like AGE and Unicorn or 00 and SEED than any of the stuff from back in the 80s or 90s.

I think the RX-78-2 gets a fair bit of attention but that's about it.

I don't know if a MG Psycho Gundam was ever released before but I'd wager that's the only way you'd ever find one.

Knightdramon
2012-07-15, 11:45 AM
Psycho Gundam had no MG.

Occasionally Bandai releases a new mould MG from previous lines, like the Marasai from Zeta this year. I do think that they're going to be much more focused on 00, SEED and Age this year, though.

Jaynz
2012-07-18, 07:18 PM
Guys, on the topic of GUNDAM 0079, i ve seen screenshots of a particuarly infamous episode of Gundam in which the art is completely off model.

The two newest compilations of "First Gundam" (as a lot of fans will call it) includes the episode, heavily re-edited with cell footage from other episodes. It's not nearly as jarring now, and helps fill a serious continuity issue in the middle of the series.

There's barely even any official acknowledgement that the original version even exists now. For new fans, the only real way to tell is to note the differences between the Toonami, Anime Legends, and UK compilation dubs. The episode orders are a little different, and the UK compilation does not have the "lost" episode at all.

Jaynz
2012-07-18, 07:25 PM
I discovered that there isn't model kits for the Heavyarms Kai and Sandrock Kai though. Apparently there just wasn't enough of a difference between the original designs and the upgraded forms to warrant releasing new kits.

I know the US kits for the TV versions of both Heavy Arms and Sandrock had the sprues (but no instructions) for making the Kai versions instead. My Japanese Heavy Arms model (non HG) also had the double-barrelled version of the cannon, which is only on the Kai...

So now I just need to get the Wing, Wing Zero, Altron, Deathscythe Hell and the Endless Waltz versions and I'm all done with the Gundam Wing kits I want.

The new HG Wing and Zero kits are very nice, so snag them. You'll still want to get a blue Gundam marker for the intakes, though. I never picked up the Altron... and my poor Deathscythe Hell has seen better days. :S

Jaynz
2012-07-18, 07:30 PM
Not meaning to spam the thread-count here, just a lot to reply to and I'm doing it in batches while installing EVERYTHING on my machine all over again.

I want a Haro.

I picked up a full-size green plushie Haro for my youngest (who adores him from Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3). I also have smaller (though in-universe full size) Mr. Pink and Mr. Yellow for my oldest.

I've come close to coding a Haro Tagomachi desktop app, but really can't think of much to do with him.

Hound
2012-07-18, 10:52 PM
I wish, but really, we've only got money for the cheaper 1/144 scale kits and I'm not minding them much. The Heavyarms looks awesome and the only thing bothering me about the rest of them is the stickers and only because I suck at putting on the ones for the head.

I've gotten some paint markers and am taking a shot at filling in some of the details and am panel lining too. So far I've done the Sandrock, and it looks like crap but I figure I'll get better. Probably no one gets it perfect their first time.

Jaynz
2012-07-18, 11:28 PM
I wish, but really, we've only got money for the cheaper 1/144 scale kits and I'm not minding them much. The Heavyarms looks awesome and the only thing bothering me about the rest of them is the stickers and only because I suck at putting on the ones for the head.

The older Wing and G 1/144 series can be really hit or miss, and they really do almost require a Gundam marker. (The Gundam Rose really just requires a lot of outright PAINT due to the arms). You can get good sets on Amazon, and I strongly reccomend the SEED and Zeon marker sets to cover most of your needs.

I've gotten some paint markers and am taking a shot at filling in some of the details and am panel lining too. So far I've done the Sandrock, and it looks like crap but I figure I'll get better. Probably no one gets it perfect their first time.

You CAN use a thin marker to do the panel lines, but I found that using a paint wash works far better. Look up "Badab Black" for minatures paints, and that's a really good way to get this seams and some weathering in without a huge amount of effort.

Hound
2012-08-17, 02:55 PM
LRN-IrejBTw

Sades
2012-08-20, 03:43 AM
You CAN use a thin marker to do the panel lines, but I found that using a paint wash works far better. Look up "Badab Black" for minatures paints, and that's a really good way to get this seams and some weathering in without a huge amount of effort.

I suggested this, but I think he stopped listening to me when we got married. *rolleyes*

Jaynz
2012-08-20, 01:50 PM
I suggested this, but I think he stopped listening to me when we got married. *rolleyes*

"It's not that he stopped listening, it's that he doesn't have to work as hard for you anymore." - Old Joke

Sades
2012-08-26, 04:30 AM
That makes both of us, then. :lol:

He did an admirable job with those paint pens, tbh. I wasn't sure if they'd work out very well, but he's made them work.

We've been watching Gundam 00 and I'm finding that I really like it. I've been eyeing up a MG Exia... How many MG kits are there for 00? I think Hound's completist tendencies are rubbing off, I'm not really wanting to buy a MG Exia if I can't get the rest. Might go with high grade instead.

Hound
2012-09-03, 07:25 PM
I'm almost finished with 00 and it's been freakin' awesome.

I really don't get what anyone has against the second season. Mind I'm not finished, still got 9 eps to watch, but so far this is turning out to be one of my favorite series.

My real problem is getting the wife to watch Mobile Suit Gundam after watching 00 with me. MSG is such a slow burner compared to 00 and the animation is sooooooo much older. Plus she has the attention span of a gnat so I'm not sure how I convince her to stick with it cause the whole story is fantastic.

Jaynz
2012-09-04, 05:12 PM
My real problem is getting the wife to watch Mobile Suit Gundam after watching 00 with me. MSG is such a slow burner compared to 00 and the animation is sooooooo much older. Plus she has the attention span of a gnat so I'm not sure how I convince her to stick with it cause the whole story is fantastic.

The original Gundam has some pacing issues initially, which do work out once the overall plot gets going. I would try to get her interested in the original Char Aznable and go from there, but he does have a rather extended abscenes once the White Base makes planetfall...

Hound
2012-09-08, 12:05 AM
I finished 00. On the whole I thought the series was fantastic. I loved almost every character about the only one's I didn't like were Louise and Andre Smirnoff as I thought they were just kind of stupid throughout the entire series. What I liked most was how relatively unremarkable or downright unlikeable characters like Setsuna and Tieria became two of my favorites by the end of it.

The plot was good. It wasn't mind-blowing or anything but it kept me engaged for the entire 50 episodes which is very very rare for one of these Gundam shows, though I do have to admit it was the characters that kept me watching.

Also "Boobs"... I mean Sumeragi and Lockon are the awesome times infinity plus one. :swirly:

We also watched the 00 movie which was not so good. It was fine I guess, the ending was just a little... well, stupid. Don't really know how else to put it.

Also, I've watched the first 10 episodes of SEED. I've gotten through the retread of the 5 or so episodes of the original anime, which didn't really bother me that they were using the same plots from the first Gundam cartoon. That's fine to me really, plus I knew it was coming.

Kira's attitude is getting on my nerves a little though. I think it's just my having seen the whole "whiny kid pilot that doesn't want to do all the fighting" so many times now that even though I understand that he probably should behave that way, I'm just kind of sick of it. Especially after 00 where all the pilots are trained and supposed to be fighting. I just want his story to get past this part and on to the real meat of this story.

Flay is also stupid...

Finally, I've now got all the 1/144 scale Gundams from the Wing series that I wanted. Painting them was a real challenge and I know I should probably have used a paint wash and brushes for the job but I still had a load of fun painting them even though the feet on all of them look like crap.

I still want to get the 1/144 scale Endless Waltz Gundams but I don't think I'm going to paint them. They're HG anyway, so they won't be as simplified as these Wing kits I did anyway right?

I also used my brithday money to buy a MG Guncannon which should be here in a couple of weeks. Can't wait to put that together!

Jaynz
2012-09-08, 02:36 AM
Also, I've watched the first 10 episodes of SEED. I've gotten through the retread of the 5 or so episodes of the original anime, which didn't really bother me that they were using the same plots from the first Gundam cartoon. That's fine to me really, plus I knew it was coming.

SEED has one really big weakness, and that's the constant flashback pieces. Otherwise it's a pretty solid Gundam series.

Kira's attitude is getting on my nerves a little though. I think it's just my having seen the whole "whiny kid pilot that doesn't want to do all the fighting" so many times now that even though I understand that he probably should behave that way, I'm just kind of sick of it.

Kira does a remarkable improvement after the first arc and, unlike a lot of Gundam protagonists, he figures things out. Sadly he becomes too much the Gundam Messiah near the end and he becomes near unsufferable in Destiny... But he does it a little better than some OTHER Gundam leads...

Flay is also stupid...
Keep with that thought...

I still want to get the 1/144 scale Endless Waltz Gundams but I don't think I'm going to paint them. They're HG anyway, so they won't be as simplified as these Wing kits I did anyway right?

The new HG Wing sets are pretty solid and look as good as the rest of the modern line up. However, be sure to avoid the 1/100 HG series from last decade, they're not all that great and definately not worth it if you find them marked up. The new MG Wing suits though... gods.. so very sweet.

Sunstreaker2
2012-09-08, 03:39 AM
The only good thing about Flay is that the Remaster gave her huge tracts of land.

That's about it.

Hound
2012-09-18, 05:43 PM
I finished SEED.

First, what I didn't like:
The crying by like everyone. Lots of over-emoting.
Flay is annoying and I cheered when she got killed. "Ohhh, he saved her... Wait! YESSS!!!!"
The flashbacks. I knew and expected to see a lot of them and even then I was still annoyed by it.

What I did like:
Athrun, Captain Ramius, Mu La Flaga, Andrew Waltfeld and Yzak. They were all great and handled well.
People say that it's bad because it's basically a retelling of the original Gundam but I disagree. I think it does a good job of retelling that story. SEED does it well and manages to incorporate it's own elements to set itself apart.
The Mobile Suits were all beautiful too.

The rest, like the music and such, is all just mediocre but adequate, not really taking away from the overall quality.

After a break I'll try Destiny and hope that everyone is wrong about this series.

Jaynz
2012-09-18, 06:52 PM
I finished SEED.

First, what I didn't like:
The crying by like everyone. Lots of over-emoting.
Flay is annoying and I cheered when she got killed. "Ohhh, he saved her... Wait! YESSS!!!!"
The flashbacks. I knew and expected to see a lot of them and even then I was still annoyed by it.

Yeah, Flay needed some moments of redemption or a moment of awesome somewhere and never really got one. It took her DEATH to realize what a bitch she had been... and even that felt like a writer's afterthought. It's no wonder why she's one of the most unpopular characters in all of Gundam. (And easily the most unpopular female.)

People say that it's bad because it's basically a retelling of the original Gundam but I disagree. I think it does a good job of retelling that story. SEED does it well and manages to incorporate it's own elements to set itself apart.

It basically is a retelling of MSG, but it does it well and does find its own space from time to time. I do wish that we would have seen more sympathetic characters on the part of the Federation, though... this is a problem that gets grossly exacerbated in Destiny, since the producer of both shows is apparently a huge anti-Gaijin bigot, and it shows in all his work. :S

The Mobile Suits were all beautiful too.
I've never been a fan of the Freedom, but the Strike is one of my favorite suit designs. I've got .. six? .. variants of that suit already. :P

After a break I'll try Destiny and hope that everyone is wrong about this series.

Without spoiling you, I'm going to say ONE thing that'll make watching the show a whole lot easier... Shinn Azuka is not the main character, Athrun is. Basically, Destiny is an inversion of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. Keep that in mind. :)

Hound
2012-09-20, 11:01 PM
Got MG Guncannon!

Is awesome!

I have pics. Yeah it could probably use some sanding and paint and I didn't apply any stickers but is still awesome. Look...

Hound
2012-09-26, 04:16 PM
30 episodes into Destiny and I hate everyone. Except Ramius cause she's still cool. Oh and Athrun is still cool too. Actually Kira is quite a bit less annoying in Destiny too.

Everyone else is crap though, especially Shinn and Cagalli.

Story is... so-so.

Hound
2012-09-27, 06:18 PM
I finished Destiny last night and watched Stargazer this morning so I'm pretty much done with Gundam for awhile.

I know that there is still AGE and Unicorn to watch but I'm waiting to see if there's going to be a boxset DVD release of them.

I know that it's practically impossible that there will be any DVD release of AGE in North America, but I'm going to give it a few months while I watch other things and I think the chances of a Unicorn collection are at least probable.

So after nearly two years of watching Gundam nearly non stop I've seen it all. Some quick thoughts on them after looking back...

Mobile Suit Gundam - A good overall story but has some pacing problems in the middle.
08th MS Team - Beautiful animation and a great story, one of the best.
0080 War in the Pocket - Good story but not long enough to live up to it's potential.
0083 Stardust Memory - An ok story but some terrible characters.
Zeta Gundam - Love the mecha in this one and Char is probably the best in this one than he is in anything else. Probably my second favorite.
Gundam ZZ - Love Judau, love the ZZ Gundam, the story is pretty good.
Char's Counterattack - Great movie but Quess and Hathaway are the worst characters I've ever seen in anything.
F91 - Terrible. A great big messy jumble of crap. Characters are bland and the story is confusing.
Victory - Love most of the characters in this one, story is good, LOTS of death.
G Gundam - Great Mecha, story is ok, characters are OTT and the voice acting was pretty awful.
Gundam Wing - Characters are almost all terrible, the story is mostly awful but the mecha are awesome and I think it all looks very beautiful.
Endless Waltz - Gorgeous, but the story is 'meh'.
Gundam X - Great everything except that the ending is rushed.
Turn A - Fantastic in just about every respect, just didn't care for the mecha designs. Easily my favorite.
Gundam SEED - The story is ripped from MSG and the characters are almost all annoying and the flashbacks are way too overused. Still thought it was good.
SEED Destiny - Terrible. Even more use of flashbacks and clip shows and the story is ok at best.
Stargazer - Wow, my only complaint is that it's way too short. Should have been a full length movie.
Gundam 00 - Good story, good characters, great mecha, avoid the movie.

Tetsuro
2012-09-28, 12:06 AM
Got the HGUC RX-178 w/ Flying Armour today and built it, too.

I'd complete forgotten what a pain applying pinhead-sized decals is. People complain about getting large decals off-alignment, but microscopic decals are the same but you can't even use your fingers to straighten them out.

Don't some of the kits have pre-tampoed decals on them? I should probably try one of those.

Sunstreaker2
2012-09-29, 11:59 PM
Calling F91 terrible isn't really fair given its very troubled production.

"Originally planned as a full-length television series, Gundam F91 hit a production snag due to staff disputes, and the project was stopped after the screenplays for the first thirteen episodes were written. It was then decided that what was made of the show would be condensed into a theatrical feature film. Condensing a story originally intended to be told over the course of fifty half-hour episodes into less than two hours of screen time required much of the original story to be cut." (from Wikipedia)

It's a good idea with good people behind it ruined by executive issues.

Hound
2012-09-30, 02:31 AM
Calling F91 terrible isn't really fair given its very troubled production.Just because there's an excuse for why it's terrible doesn't mean it's not terrible.

Jaynz
2012-09-30, 01:32 PM
Calling F91 terrible isn't really fair given its very troubled production.

You got to judge it by how it came out, not how it was supposed to come out. I could say that DESTINY was the best Gundam series of all because of many things that was supposed to happen, but didn't due to all the back-stage infighting and production issues and the demand to sell more model kits, etc.

Jaynz
2012-09-30, 02:05 PM
I know that it's practically impossible that there will be any DVD release of AGE in North America, but I'm going to give it a few months while I watch other things and I think the chances of a Unicorn collection are at least probable.

We might see AGE in a three-issue set, but it won't be for awhile. Bandai is apparently still shopping around for a US distributor for their series, but one that won't butcher the hell out of their shows at the same time...

Mobile Suit Gundam - A good overall story but has some pacing problems in the middle.

Curse of the 'to sell toys' here, though I'm surprised by how much MSG actually holds up.

08th MS Team - Beautiful animation and a great story, one of the best.

Weird-ass ending, though. I know what they were trying to do, but I wish 08th Team had a bit more 'solid' closure rather than the odd-ball arty-ending with the newtypes.

0080 War in the Pocket - Good story but not long enough to live up to it's potential.

I always felt this one was a bit too anvilicious, even for a Gundam series. Just how much did they need to emotionally destroy a kid just to tell the audience how bad war can be, really?

0083 Stardust Memory - An ok story but some terrible characters.

Honestly, this one needed another batch of episodes to see the story and characters through. Granted, this is really supposed to explain the changes beteen MSG and Zeta, but there ya go. A lot of really good designs in this one, aside from the rediculously-overpowered super-armor at the end.. if you thought the METEOR system was bad...

Zeta Gundam - Love the mecha in this one and Char is probably the best in this one than he is in anything else. Probably my second favorite.

Would have been my favorite if it wasn't for the ending. "Hey, you know those past 30 episodes, utterly pointless now..." Again, some great suit designs here, and pretty much drives home that the UC is a shitty reality in which to live.

Gundam ZZ - Love Judau, love the ZZ Gundam, the story is pretty good.

This one is way too harshly judged, largely due to the mood-whiplash from the ending of Zeta. Judau is probably the best of all Gundam pilots, though, in both his skill and his character. The Moon-Moon episodes really hurt this one, though, but otherwise this is an excellent Gundam series overall. A few new and nice suit designs, notably the ZZ and Mk II upgrades.

Char's Counterattack - Great movie but Quess and Hathaway are the worst characters I've ever seen in anything.

I wanted to like this one, but, yes, Quess and Hathaway, who get about 1/2 the overall screen time, aren't really important to the movie's plot and are two of the most annoying pieces of crap to ever grace Gundam. The Sazabi and Nu Gundam are iconic, though...

F91 - Terrible. A great big messy jumble of crap. Characters are bland and the story is confusing.

Couldn't find anything to like in this one, myself.

Victory - Love most of the characters in this one, story is good, LOTS of death.

Funny how Uso becomes the most geniunely matured of all the UC pilots isn't it? Again, some good designs (the V series is pretty nice) but we're getting into some bad gimmicks with suits here as well. Katejena is the most bat-shit crazy villain Gundam ever sees, which is saying a lot... "Bikini Brigade Attack"

G Gundam - Great Mecha, story is ok, characters are OTT and the voice acting was pretty awful.

Went on at length on this one elsewhere. It's best to view this one as a sendup of Gundam and other anime of the time, though it has a decent story under it (even if it is a redeux of Robot Jox) and it has some of the best - and deliberately worst - Gundam designs ever made.

Gundam Wing - Characters are almost all terrible, the story is mostly awful but the mecha are awesome and I think it all looks very beautiful.

Some of the best suits in Gundam, honestly, but it's a bit hard to follow. The changes in Heero and Releena are subtle and good, but the characters get a bit buried in the constantly evolving conflicts going on. Also... insane Yaoi bait.. unfortunately started that craze in the US which did a lot to KILL the rising popularity of anime here.

Endless Waltz - Gorgeous, but the story is 'meh'.

Looks like they were trying to do their 'UC continues' story with this movie, but everyone's out of character and the story isn't particularly gripping. Some beautiful suits, though, and the EW Wing Zero is iconic.

Gundam X - Great everything except that the ending is rushed.

Haven't been able to see much of this one, unfortunately. Liked some of the designs, though the reliance on drones and external power sources seemed a bit daft.

Turn A - Fantastic in just about every respect, just didn't care for the mecha designs. Easily my favorite.

So many reused designs, so many updates of classic suits. I did like this one, but I kinda wish they had stuck with Laura rather than the 'in your face' joke of cross-dressing. Very artistic, and an interesting take of the far, far future of the UC. Apparently things don't get better...

Gundam SEED - The story is ripped from MSG and the characters are almost all annoying and the flashbacks are way too overused. Still thought it was good.

SEED has some great bits and I love most of the new suits. The Strike is my favorite 'vanilla' suit from all the series, though it's basically a revamped RX-78 with extension packs. Cast is okay, but too much time on Flay and a lot of the flashback time SHOULD have been used for more story or character-interaction instead. After the 50th time seing Nicole or Toll's death, I can imagine a lot of people turning off.

SEED Destiny - Terrible. Even more use of flashbacks and clip shows and the story is ok at best.

The most drama-plagued of all Gundams behind the scenes, and GOD does it show in the work. Some good new designs, yes, and I admit that I like Luna, but Shinn (who is not the hero but is the main character) is annoying about two episodes in and just steadily gets worse. Kira gets a god complex, Lacus is Queen of Space, and you wind up really wishing Athrun would go the full-on Char Aznable at some point. Is it any wonder that the planned third series and movies were canned?

Stargazer - Wow, my only complaint is that it's way too short. Should have been a full length movie.

"You know all that terrible shit we've been skirting around in Destiny? Here it is in all its glory!" This could have been a great OVA series or a feature film... it helped immensely that it was NOT done by SEED or Destiny's team.. which shows you what some professionalism can do for you.

Gundam 00 - Good story, good characters, great mecha, avoid the movie.

I felt this was simply OKAY. It seemed to take a lot of aspects of Wing and made everyone into Heero... the politics and world-views are the best handled for Gundam, though, which is very refreshing after the blatant anti-western bigotry of Destiny. I'm not as sold on the mecha as some, but that may be due to how insanely fragile the model kits wound up being...

Hound
2012-09-30, 05:03 PM
We might see AGE in a three-issue set, but it won't be for awhile. Bandai is apparently still shopping around for a US distributor for their series, but one that won't butcher the hell out of their shows at the same time...
*crosses fingers*
Weird-ass ending, though. I know what they were trying to do, but I wish 08th Team had a bit more 'solid' closure rather than the odd-ball arty-ending with the newtypes. I get what you mean but it just doesn't ruin it for me. It's good enough that the stuff in that extra episode doesn't spoil anything.
I always felt this one was a bit too anvilicious, even for a Gundam series. Just how much did they need to emotionally destroy a kid just to tell the audience how bad war can be, really?
You definitely need to watch something happy and/or funny after this one but I still think it's a great little story that could have used a couple more episodes to get all of it's story told.
Honestly, this one needed another batch of episodes to see the story and characters through.
Really it just needed a completely different set of characters that weren't mostly all stupid.
"Bikini Brigade Attack"
Hahah!
and it has some of the best - and deliberately worst - Gundam designs ever made.
Tequila Gundam! AWESOME!
Haven't been able to see much of this one, unfortunately. Liked some of the designs, though the reliance on drones and external power sources seemed a bit daft.
You should find this show and watch it. It's so great and even though the ending got rushed they still manage to tell the story well.
So many reused designs, so many updates of classic suits. I did like this one, but I kinda wish they had stuck with Laura rather than the 'in your face' joke of cross-dressing. Very artistic, and an interesting take of the far, far future of the UC. Apparently things don't get better...
I love the reuse of mechs. Those I don't have a problem with. I actually really like Harry's Sumo and the Turn A has grown on me some over time but it's not a great design.
The most drama-plagued of all Gundams behind the scenes, and GOD does it show in the work. Some good new designs, yes, and I admit that I like Luna, but Shinn (who is not the hero but is the main character) is annoying about two episodes in and just steadily gets worse. Kira gets a god complex, Lacus is Queen of Space, and you wind up really wishing Athrun would go the full-on Char Aznable at some point. Is it any wonder that the planned third series and movies were canned?
You know what? I really liked Kira in Destiny. I get that he's way too powerful a pilot but really, he's fought in a war already, he's a coordinator with the SEED power (whatever the hell that is!) and it's not like he wins every single fight. Shinn took him down one time. I'm just happy he's not being a whiny indecisive child, like he was for all 50 episodes of the first series. It's nice to see him played as an experienced veteran. It doesn't make sense to me for him to be played any other way.

Jaynz
2012-09-30, 05:50 PM
Really it just needed a completely different set of characters that weren't mostly all stupid.

Some of the stupidity is why you get the Titans in the first place. But I think a lot of it could have been mitigated with a few more episodes to explain the characters better.

Tequila Gundam! AWESOME!

Is it wrong that I really want a model set of this one? Poor guy didn't even get a toy in the action figure line... It actually is a pretty good Gundam design, too!

You know what? I really liked Kira in Destiny.

The problem with Kira isn't that he's powerful, but that he and Lacus come along and solve the plot for the characters SEED had otherwise focused upon. so Athrun is relegated to sidekick again. Shinn is a perpetual asshole, and so on.

I still kinda want to see "Athrun's Counterattack', though...

Sunstreaker2
2012-09-30, 06:35 PM
Just because there's an excuse for why it's terrible doesn't mean it's not terrible.

I guess I'm just one of those people who is more willing to accept a movie or TV show's flaws if I know that it had a troubled production history.

Jaynz
2012-10-01, 03:21 AM
I guess I'm just one of those people who is more willing to accept a movie or TV show's flaws if I know that it had a troubled production history.

At the end of the day, though, the end product really is what matters. Since a lot of the 'troubled production history' has to do with staffers not keeping it professional, and not keeping it in their pants, I tend to be less forgiving overall.

Sunstreaker2
2012-10-01, 06:18 PM
At the end of the day, though, the end product really is what matters. Since a lot of the 'troubled production history' has to do with staffers not keeping it professional, and not keeping it in their pants, I tend to be less forgiving overall.

With Destiny it can all be blamed on Fukuda's wife.

What people seem to forget is that Destiny was just fine up until around Episode 34...typical Cosmic Era silliness, but nothing egregious.

Jaynz
2012-10-01, 09:24 PM
With Destiny it can all be blamed on Fukuda's wife.

Ultimately, it rests with Fukuda himself.

What people seem to forget is that Destiny was just fine up until around Episode 34...typical Cosmic Era silliness, but nothing egregious.

Sadly, the worst problems of SEED show up in Destiny pretty quick, with the immense amounts of flashbacks. Also, Fukuda's "she didn't screw me so I'll screw over her character" treatment of Cagalli shows pretty early on as well. Her handling of the writing was poor all around, but it hit critical mass in the second arc of Destiny and she was effectively fired (as in, the crew finished it up so they could get paid without her) for the final arc.

Is the whole "Japanese female VAs have to sleep with the producers, directors, or somebody" really THAT common, so much so that it doesn't even register as a scandal any more? This wasn't even the first time it happened in GUNDAM, since this curse goes all the way back to Sayla Mass!

Tetsuro
2012-10-03, 12:20 PM
I bought a couple of those "special" action bases, molded in the shape of the EFSF and Zeon emblems - and High Grade kits are just way too tiny to pose on these things!

Guess it's about time I started getting MG kits instead...

Tetsuro
2012-11-20, 04:18 PM
Does the MG RGM-79 v2 come with the space parts or is it just in the older RGM-79C?

Blackjack
2012-12-06, 10:48 AM
Mmm, I bought Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 a couple of weeks back and have been playing it non-stop. The condensed story of... of the MSG-Zeta-ZZ-CCA series is pretty good, although I'm certain the game exorcised a fair bit of padding and stuff. So far I think I'm liking Gundam quite a bit, if only for the awesome designs and the massive hammy campy feel of every character.

There are quite a lot of awesome-looking designs... the Epyon, Zeta, Burning, Freedom and Nu Gundams, plus the Sazabi, are big favourites of mine out of looks alone.

Still not sure what the newtypes actually are even after reading the backstories, so I'm assuming they're some sort of cyborg jedi empath thing.

The 'Mission Mode' that lumps everyone together and sort-of tells their story (I ended up reading their biographies to make sense of their actual backstories) which I find is intriguing, with different sets of characters... the Turn A chaps and the martial artists are quite distinct from the more war-is-hell MSG people and the 'fight to stop fighting' SEED people.

I did buy a couple of Gundam kits as a kid, and I'm very pleased to see an old friend from my childhood, who's apparently named Gundam Mark II (the black Titans one) is a fairly important mobile suit. Also the Zaku.

No idea who the rest of my small Gundam collection is, though... I know the orange transforming one is the Arios Gundam (who's from another series that didn't make it into the game), and the green one with interlocking shield has some kind of weird name. And then there's this one that came with an insanely big sword, two smaller swords of different sizes, two lightsabers, and tow more lightsabers. Looks like he's the main character of his series, although none of the suits in Dynasty Warriors Gundam match Sword McSword here. Plus there's a black-and-indigo Gundam with two cannons that swing around his waist and stuff, the Hell-Buster or something, IIRC. And then there are two generic-looking guys with tank treads and Roadbuster heads. It's a bit weird to see so many distinctive and awesome suits in the game but only two that are toys I own...

Anyway, all this Gundam madness culminated in my buying a model kit of the RX-78. He doesn't look as good as the other Gundams available (I was sorely tempted by the ZZ) but I think once he's done he'll look pretty nice next to the Zaku and the Mark 2.

Jaynz
2012-12-06, 04:24 PM
There are quite a lot of awesome-looking designs... the Epyon, Zeta, Burning, Freedom and Nu Gundams, plus the Sazabi, are big favourites of mine out of looks alone.

Epyon is one of the coolest designs, and it's a little sad that it doesn't show up more in the games. (For some reason, Endless Waltz gets more attention in the AC-focused games, and Epyon isn't in that...)

Still not sure what the newtypes actually are even after reading the backstories, so I'm assuming they're some sort of cyborg jedi empath thing.

Newtypes basically have heightened mental abilities and quicker reflexes. Char Aznable saw them as the next stage of evolution, but they're getting killed off by the time Gundam: Unicorn rolls around. They're never adequately explained in anything, though...

I did buy a couple of Gundam kits as a kid, and I'm very pleased to see an old friend from my childhood, who's apparently named Gundam Mark II (the black Titans one) is a fairly important mobile suit. Also the Zaku.

Zaku is the main-line suit for Zeon through Gundam and most of Zeta. It's also a big fan favorite so it was 'reimagined' for Gundam SEED Destiny (and, admittedly, it's one of the coolest suits from that series).

The Mk II (Titans) was the first 'villain' suit for the Zeta series, but it gets reclaimed and used as parts for the 'hero' Mk II early on.

No idea who the rest of my small Gundam collection is, though... I know the orange transforming one is the Arios Gundam (who's from another series that didn't make it into the game), and the green one with interlocking shield has some kind of weird name.

You're describing a lot of the Gundam OO mobile suits, which is a series which came out AFTER Gundam: Dynasty Warriors II. The suits show up in Dynasty Warriors III, however, though you need to get the DLC to get them.

And then there are two generic-looking guys with tank treads and Roadbuster heads. It's a bit weird to see so many distinctive and awesome suits in the game but only two that are toys I own...

Ah, the infamous Guntank from the original Gundam series. There's a story about their inclusion and just how much Tomino hated them...

Anyway, all this Gundam madness culminated in my buying a model kit of the RX-78. He doesn't look as good as the other Gundams available (I was sorely tempted by the ZZ) but I think once he's done he'll look pretty nice next to the Zaku and the Mark 2.

There's an 'updated' design for the RX-78 coming out to mark its appearance in Origins. Just remember, the RX-78 was the first hero Gundam, so it didn't get a lot of the graphical and detail refinements that we see from Zeta onwards.

Hound
2012-12-06, 05:13 PM
I happen to think the RX-78-2 is a beautiful suit.

Not so fond of the Origins redesign.

Cliffjumper
2012-12-06, 06:11 PM
RX-78 = Gundam, right? It's a ****ing awesome suit - clarity, simplicity, functionality. The only ones that have come close since are v-Gundam and the Turn A...

Jaynz
2012-12-07, 12:02 AM
I happen to think the RX-78-2 is a beautiful suit.

Not so fond of the Origins redesign.

It's fair to say that the details are a bit dated, though, due to the whole 1970s animation thing. There have been some amazingly beautiful (while subtle) revisions of the classic Gundam over the years though. The one I got (faring against some SEED Zaku's) is from right before SEED's release and has nice detailing on the legs (where it's most lacking) and some gearing in the arms - a little closer to the Alex in appearance, but still the RX-78-2.

Tetsuro
2012-12-22, 11:11 AM
I was supposed to move on to Master Grade ages ago, but after that one action base had been sitting in HLJ's private warehouse for two months, I didn't feel like paying for the shipping for just one thing...so I bought the HG twin ball set to go with it since it was so cheap.

Now I find myself wanting to buy three RGM-79's in the HG scale just so I'll have a complete ESFS standard combat unit together. Sigh.

At least I finally got the Psycho Gundam coming for them to fight. :D

Hound
2012-12-22, 05:49 PM
Ooo, Psycho Gundam, nice...

I was looking at one in the hobby shop at the mall a while back. Unfortunately I think it's beyond my reach fund wise right now.

I completed my 1/144 scale Gundam Wing binge and probably won't be going after anymore models for several months now.

I would like to try a Perfect Grade someday, but I'm just not sure which one I want yet. I'll decide when the time comes to buy it.

Tetsuro
2013-01-12, 03:20 AM
Finally got my first Master Grade, the RX-78-2 v2.

After putting it together, I found myself wondering why the hell did I wait this long? It looks amazing! Spent about five hours building it, didn't even want to put it back down once I started. Did only a minimal panel lining, namely the faceplate and the beam sabre hilts. I should pick up a grey fine tip marker for those white parts so they won't look so overwhelming.

Meanwhile, something's afoot over in Nippon, HLJ has tried sending me a package with my HG Psycho and MG Char's Zaku through fedex twice already, first time it only reached as far as their sorting facility before deemed "undeliverable package" by fedex and sent back, then they sent it again and now it's stuck at the sorting facility with the same message. What the hell is going on over there?

Hound
2013-01-12, 09:29 AM
You should call Fedex and ask them...

BTW, started watching AGE. I'm almost done with the first Saga and I'm really enjoying it. The mobile suits all look really good and while all of the characters pretty much fit into standard generic mecha anime character molds they're all pretty likeable and the mysterious villain thing is compelling enough.

Tetsuro
2013-01-13, 12:48 AM
You should call Fedex and ask them...
What, in Japan?

Hound
2013-01-13, 02:52 AM
You can't call the local Fedex customer service and ask them?

You could also email HLJ and ask them...

Tetsuro
2013-01-26, 12:13 AM
It's fair to say that the details are a bit dated, though, due to the whole 1970s animation thing.
How about...a kit that actually looks like it's from the animation?

http://www.gunjap.net/site/?p=109678

Pretty impressive, I must say.

You could also email HLJ and ask them...
That's exactly what I did - turned out that the first time around, the address label got chewed up, and the second time, all the necessary paperwork wasn't included, but on the third time around it finally got here - yesterday, as a matter of fact.

And holy shit the frikkin' rings for Zaku's pipings are in on tight, by thumbnail still hurts - I was trying to do it by instructions, but every time I just gave up, snapped the whole damn thing off and cut off the end every time so I could just remove each ring entirely and place them onto the pipes one by one that way.

I'm probably gonna wait until my fingers stop hurting before I get to work on the Psycho. Are there special primer paints I need or can I just apply white enamel paint over the dark parts I want to paint, wait for it to dry and then paint whatever the hell colour I like over it? I should probably do the same for Zaku's heat hawk, I tried using a yellow gundam marker straight onto grey plastic and it looks like crap so I'm not expecting it to look any better on Psycho's black.

Hound
2013-01-27, 02:10 AM
I just finished watching Gundam AGE yesterday and... Hmmm...

It's kind of hard to nail down my thoughts on this one. It's such a mixed bag.

I live the mobile suit designs, except for a couple of the enemy suits. I also love the charcter designs and just the whole look of the show in general. I also liked the concept of telling the story with four separate story arcs.

However, the last two story arcs kind of fall flat. The third main character becomes very cliched and annoying and the first main character becomes one dimensional and annoying by the end too. It's all very predictable by the end of the show.

It did start very well though and I wouldn't call it bad overall, like it's not as bad as Destiny or F91, but the last half of the show should have been better given how well it started out.

Tetsuro
2013-02-13, 08:33 AM
I've expanded a little on my collection. Got three HGUC RGM-79s and ZZ Gundam the other day.

I got three GMs because I read a standard EFSF combat team consists of three GMs supported by two Balls which I already had, and since they were so stupidly cheap and stupidly easy to build (just two runners each), I was like "why not"? I've never done armybuilding, and certainly not literally!

The ZZ Gundam makes me feel kinda miffed by the fact there's no 2.0 of the MG because I really love the mobile suit, but I'm really not a big fan of the partsforming (Core Base doesn't really transform at all, it's all just parts-swapping) and it leaves a lot of spare parts lying around, while I know the MG achieves a perfect transformation but it's so floppy it cannot even hold it's gun up. And why the hell does the HG ZZ come with two beam sabres but only one hand that can actually hold either of them?

Jaynz
2013-02-13, 04:00 PM
Partsforming is one bad aspect of the Gundam model line, unfortunately. Most 'transformable' Gundams will need some parts-forming due to the nature of the models, and it really shows on the 'hero' machines like the Double Zeta. Personally, though, I always thought the Double Zeta's transformation was overwrought.. and I wound up leaving the mecha in mobile suit mode all the time anyway.

Hound
2013-02-16, 12:26 AM
I got three GMs because I read a standard EFSF combat team consists of three GMs supported by two Balls which I already had...
Hehe

Tetsuro
2013-02-17, 11:32 AM
Partsforming is one bad aspect of the Gundam model line, unfortunately. Most 'transformable' Gundams will need some parts-forming due to the nature of the models, and it really shows on the 'hero' machines like the Double Zeta. Personally, though, I always thought the Double Zeta's transformation was overwrought.. and I wound up leaving the mecha in mobile suit mode all the time anyway.
My issue with partsformers isn't the partsforming itself, it's the huge pile of extra pieces you're gonna be left with in any of the modes. I mean, the G-Fortress' cockpit becomes the gun and is gonna have to come off, no getting around that, but when not in mobile suit, it's head AND feet come off and don't go anywhere. Same goes for the thrusters in mobile suit mode.

Hehe
Not those balls! :p

Tetsuro
2013-04-10, 09:13 AM
Got the Zeta 2.0 yesterday.

The right shoulder keeps coming loose as it's only held on by a small bit of polycap which annoys me, and the cockpit is slightly slanted for some reason :(

It's mostly the former that annoys me because I keep trying to put it back on with the army still in the socket because I'm also trying to pose it holding that giant Hyper Mega Launcher. What is with these kits and the struggle it takes to pose them holding their two-handed weapons with both hands?

Blackjack
2013-05-11, 08:35 AM
I finally cracked open the Gundam I bought some time ago and made it. And damn, the pieces on this particular kit is very, very fragile. And I have no idea how on Earth do they suppose I could deal with the itty-bitty stickers they included.

But after a lot of swearing, near-destruction of parts (the only part I actually snapped was the Amuro pilot minifigure which I don't care).

Still, after all's been said, it's a nice little figure. Parts keep popping off but then he's going onto the shelf so there's that.

Hound
2014-01-28, 07:16 AM
Gundam Build Fighters is well underway and it has been extremely good so far. I have high hopes for this one.

It's set in present day and the concept is that they've invented a way to animate plastic model kits in a virtual reality arena and that you would pilot the kit you've built in gunpla battles.

It's a giant commercial, yes, but it manages to go beyond that and just be a really fun, enjoyable romp.

Along with the show is the promotion of the "All Gundam Project" which promises the release of long out of production kits, or kits that were never made at all. Cannot wait to pick up some of these.