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Paul053
2011-05-26, 04:18 AM
Well, no body cares about ongoing anymore? Or too busy with DOTM toys? :) Here is the 7 page preview.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-ongoing-19-seven-page-preview/21661/

Just read the issue but won't spoil it now. Only one thing, even though I think it is still a crappy story, but at least a good temporarily relief from that bloody mess on earth with crying baby Prime.

Okay, here is the spoiler.
Hot Rod (or he called himself Rodimus) is now an Iron Man! What the heck!?

Blackjack
2011-05-26, 01:51 PM
Anything would be an improvement from the Earth mess.

Although are we sensing a pattern? Every arc, then we have an intermission in space that is undoubtedly better than the rest of the arc. Although here the Rodimus story isn't quite as great as the Megatron monologue or the other Rodimus story.

Wheelie? :eyebrow: But Reflector is still alive in Earth!

Auntie Slag
2011-05-26, 04:56 PM
I would like more smaller scuffles amongst regular robots, not pissing contests between Megatron and Prime ad nauseum. Maybe they should get a room.

But Huffer twatting a Stunticon which starts a feud where the Stunticons target all mini-bots for no other reason than they've got nothing better to do.

Or a Trans-Europe express update. They seem content to rehash everything else...

Just more robots hitting each other please. I liked Brawn and Starscream, with the nod to the old 'Enemy Within' comic (though the only link is the characters themselves).

And how's Springer doing after LSotW. Do we have to wait for James Roberts to come in and save things for that to happen?

Blackjack
2011-05-27, 10:22 AM
I would like more smaller scuffles amongst regular robots, not pissing contests between Megatron and Prime ad nauseum. Maybe they should get a room.

They did. In issue 18. :glance:

But Huffer twatting a Stunticon which starts a feud where the Stunticons target all mini-bots for no other reason than they've got nothing better to do.

Or a Trans-Europe express update. They seem content to rehash everything else...

Just more robots hitting each other please. I liked Brawn and Starscream, with the nod to the old 'Enemy Within' comic (though the only link is the characters themselves).

My point exactly. All this while Costa has been intent on doing his spin on Megatron and Optimus, when clearly he only shines when he does other characters -- Thundercracker, Magnus, some of his Hot Rod material -- but no, he insists on bogging us down with random psychological nonsense between Megs and Optimus, which Foundation puts to shame... and Foundation had to establish a background for the movieverse, not having the psychological nonsense as the plot itself.

And how's Springer doing after LSotW. Do we have to wait for James Roberts to come in and save things for that to happen?

Yes.

Red Dave Prime
2011-05-29, 05:58 PM
This really isn't too bad an issue. It's slight but that's not a bad thing. It's interesting seeing IDW trying to tie everything up over the last few issues and Heart of Darkness - even if they aren't doing the best of jobs.

Guidos art is much more on form here than his previous ongoing and the plot is simple enough that it's not going to cause bother. So yeah, a fun issue that's no great shakes but nothing dreadful either.

As for the chaos plot-line, if it just ends up being d-void vs the transformers well, meh. But if they throw up something a bit more interesting to justify the chaos tag, than it could give IDW a fresh re-start.

And yes, I think they really need it.

Paul053
2011-06-06, 07:15 PM
Read issue 20. Just like "HE" said in page 9, "are you kidding me?!"

The story overall wasn't bad. Better than 19 actually. There are a lot to explain but all fall short. One big flaw is how in the world "THE OTHER HE" knew and called Hot Rod "Rodimus" that Hot Rod called himself that name many issues after "THE OTHER HE" died! Even "HE" didn't know Hot Rod changed the name to Rodimus. And also making "THE OTHER HE" crippled doesn't make sense as well.

Anyway, since if I say more, I will spoil more. So I better shut up for now and maybe read one more time tonight to see how I feel.

Heinrad
2011-06-25, 05:57 PM
Good thing I stumbled across this.....

Again we see that Costa's got a somewhat better handle on the non-main cast. The thing that surprised me the most was that the more important "HE" actually recognized Roddy in any form(though to be fair, I have no clue how Costa's been portraying the kid). "THE OTHER HE" being crippled does make sense, though, because "HE" and "Bob" probably aren't the best mechanics out there.

There's also the whole "I'm not sure which is more disturbing, the fact that Bob is there, or that one of them came up with a name for Bob....." thing.

Red Dave Prime
2011-06-27, 08:36 AM
What in god's name are you two on about?

Guess I'll have to pick this one up soon. The interest in IDWs stuff is at a massive low since Heart of Darkness turned out to be, well, you all saw...

Paul053
2011-06-27, 01:49 PM
What in god's name are you two on about?
Well, you will see. :lol:

The interest in IDWs stuff is at a massive low since Heart of Darkness turned out to be, well, you all saw...
No, I haven't. Every time when I looked at the cover and first couple pages, they hurts my eyes. I was hoping someone can just read it for me.

Paul053
2011-07-08, 07:01 PM
With DOTM movie going on right now, am I the only one who is reading the crap? :swirly:

Here is the 5 page preview. (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1107/05/idwfirsts.htm)

A nice issue actually to start out the CHAOS. More importantly is Andy Schmidt's letter on the last page. And didn't he leave IDW to Hasbro? And he mentioned Megatron: Origin, man. If you like to read that letter but don't care about the issue, I can try if I can type it or just scan it.

Skyquake87
2011-07-08, 10:00 PM
ooh, what's his letter say?

Terome
2011-07-10, 12:00 AM
I am reading it, but have no new complaints beyond the ones I had a year ago. Though I do like the constant use of the term 'smart' by several characters in this one in reference to Prowl. It reminds me of Axe Cop, a far superior comic written by a six-year old.

ooh, what's his letter say?

Something about blaming his hangover on everything but the booze.

Hennessy
2011-07-11, 08:28 AM
ooh, what's his letter say?

http://i53.tinypic.com/34r9nd4.jpg

Heinrad
2011-07-12, 03:55 PM
I have a bad feeling about this.......

Denyer
2011-07-12, 07:14 PM
It's going to be Unicron, isn't it?

"And it's #125 and not #32 because of [the fact we're running out of gimmicks and ways to fragment the storyline over miniseries, so how about stab at sequential numbering?]"

inflatable dalek
2011-07-12, 07:51 PM
Good to see he continues to miss the point about what people who have been put off want, we could live with the continuity being buggered if the stories were good enough to be worth it.

Though anyone remember how Last Stand of the Wreckers managed to be both standalone, respectful to what had gone before and work in a few things to make things easier for future writers (taking the time to write in a get out for any of the Garrus Decepticon prisoners with the Shockwave bit). All in a nicely unshowey way?

Paul053
2011-07-12, 08:24 PM
7 pages preview. (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-ongoing-22-sevenpage-preview/22300/)

Paul053
2011-07-12, 08:26 PM
I have a bad feeling about this.......
Though anyone remember how Last Stand of the Wreckers managed to be both standalone, respectful to what had gone .........
I'm afraid so. #22 is up. (http://www.tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?p=706109#post706109) Look who is back.

Terome
2011-07-13, 12:57 AM
Rung!

Terome
2011-07-13, 01:16 AM
Roberts lays on the references with a trowel! VVH, 'head in a jar,' communicubes, the black hole thing, Ratchet having 'never been this close' to Megatron, Tarn, Xaaron, the works.

Also - interesting incidental details, a feeling that any given character has a mind and a respect for the story threads he has in his grasp. And did I just see a splash panel used effectively? Good lord.

And, cripes, Milne's come a long way, hasn't he? He manages to skillfully weave those characters in between those swarms of speech panels.

I'm not sure we've done anything to deserve this.

Cliffjumper
2011-07-13, 01:29 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HE SAYS HE'S THE TRANSFORMERS EDITRON! LIKE BECAUSE HE'S AN EDITOR OF, LIKE, A TRANSFORMERS COMIC, SO HE'S NOT AN EDITOR, BUT AN EDITRON - Y'KNOW, LIKE CYBERTRON OR BANZAI-TRON OR TIGATRON OR THE MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS IN TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE NORMAL THINGS BUT WITH -TRON ON THE END TO SHOW HOW TRANSFORMERS THEY ARE! THAT IS HANDS-DOWN THE SINGLE GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER, EVER, EVER SEEN! CAN I CHANGE MY SCREEN NAME TO CLIFFJUMPERTRON TO SHOW HOW TRANSFORMERS I AM?

inflatable dalek
2011-07-13, 06:16 AM
With it being Schmidt I just assumed it was a typo. Be grateful there wasn't a few "I still functions!".

The fact Chaos not only apparently needs a chart showing what goes where but also a letter from the editor explaining what the hell is going on suggests they're not really so bothered about new readers. Or even the ones that joined with the big relaunches that were AHM and then the ongoing, who won't be up on Origin or the Tim Curry Universe stuff.

Auntie Slag
2011-07-13, 06:43 AM
Megatron is cool. I've never been a fan of his until Megatron: Origin. Then I was on his side in Dark of the Moon, and now here too. Very well written, give the artist and writer a cygar:smokin:

Terome
2011-07-13, 11:58 PM
In that incredibly British scene in the prison, is the distinction between 'forged' and 'constructed cold' some kind of allusion to 'sparked' and 'non-sparked' Transformers, and a class struggle between them? It would be neat if that exchange stayed put as a bit of flavour, but you get definitely get a story or two out of that, mark my words.

Red Dave Prime
2011-07-18, 10:59 PM
Picked up issues 20 & 21 today from forbidden planet. Have to say, I'm kinda interested. So far, no major screw ups. Biggest problem is that Heart of Darkness #4 is referenced in issue 20 and yet FP dont have it. I'll have to download it. It is funny how the whole chaos story seems to be as mcuh a wrap up of nearly all plot threads so that they can restart with a clean slate in issue 125/ 32.

This should be in stock this thursday and yeah, I'm actually looking forward to an IDW comic again.

(but still bracing for the inevitable groan issue that crumbles it all again)

Paul053
2011-07-19, 01:42 PM
Biggest problem is that Heart of Darkness #4 is referenced in issue 20 and yet FP dont have it. I'll have to download it.
I knew this series is bad so I did the same thing. But still, every time when I read the first couple pages, I close it. And couldn't even finish issue 1 as far. Ulises Farinas isn't a bad artist but his style just doesn't fit with robots. How come IDW can't see that?

This should be in stock this thursday and yeah, I'm actually looking forward to an IDW comic again.

(but still bracing for the inevitable groan issue that crumbles it all again)
I have the same feeling, too. How many times this feeling rose up and then they made it sink again.

Red Dave Prime
2011-07-19, 09:01 PM
I have the same feeling, too. How many times this feeling rose up and then they made it sink again.

IDW comics are like that big gift from your auntie. You want to believe its going to be great (Gen 1 Soundwave - with all the the cassettes!) but in reality, it's a gobots jumper :(

Denyer
2011-07-19, 10:33 PM
I'm not sure we've done anything to deserve this.
Still being prepared to buy the comics if the right writers are attached, irrespective of whether the continuity as a whole has gone to shit?

Hopefully won't take too long to arrive in the post.

ishfishmial0
2011-07-20, 12:36 AM
The first seven pages had some really good dialogue. I can't wait until I read the whole thing. There are some great conversation pieces here.

Skyquake87
2011-07-23, 06:36 AM
Wow.

Is this one of the greatest transformers comics ever? Very possibly.

A fantastic study of megatron and what he was and what he has become. The sadness in optimus frustration in trying to tap into the intelligent, politically driven idealist that megatron once was is one of the greatest prime / megatron clashes ever. It also gives us, perhaps for the first time ever, a greater understanding and appreciation for megatron. Throughout transformers long comic history, megs is forever quickly removed from the story and its always felt like we've never actually got to know and understand him. With this single issue, roberts redresses this situation and does the one thing those dreadful four issues of megatron origin failed to do.

Every transformers fan needs this as required reading.you don't need to have read the preceding issues to get a handle on whats gone on (good for me as i dropped the ongoing at #10 it was so awful). There's the usual nods to assorted transformers toy and comic history which in a lesser writer would be horrific navel gazing,but here they serve to add a little extra colour and flesh out the rules and norms of cybertronian society. Plus! Impactor and xarron!

A fantastic piece of work. Alex milne's work is also a revelation.leaving behind the blocky mess he used to churn out in favour of a cleaner, more detailed style.his storytelling has improved leaps and bounds too! Great work!

Forget petitions to get furman and wildman recapturing past glories, how about just getting roberts on board to write the ongoing? That is what transformers comics need.

Can't say I'm sorry to see Schimdt go. His obvious enthusiasm for Transformers hasn't resulted in a decent direction for the comics or any decent eitorial control, and were one being cynical, one might be given to wonder whether this was so he could simply ingraitiate himself with Hasbro and tout for work with them...

Neuronutter
2011-07-23, 09:24 PM
Forget petitions to get furman and wildman recapturing past glories, how about just getting roberts on board to write the ongoing?

Looks like they're already done that. Well, on one of the ongoings anyway.


Can't say I'm sorry to see Schimdt go. His obvious enthusiasm for Transformers hasn't resulted in a decent direction for the comics or any decent editorial control, and were one being cynical, one might be given to wonder whether this was so he could simply ingraitiate himself with Hasbro and tout for work with them...

Heh. Shame he was never as good as his enthusiasm. And, ah the cynicism. Hopefully, Barber will be better. Kinda miss the days of Ryall. That's the last time I remember the editing being any good, but maybe that's just me.

Paul053
2011-07-26, 02:23 PM
Read the issue last night. Wow! Reading it was like reading three issues as all previous issues were so dull. Why does it take that long for us to see this kind of quality?

It also gives us, perhaps for the first time ever, a greater understanding and appreciation for megatron. Throughout transformers long comic history, megs is forever quickly removed from the story and its always felt like we've never actually got to know and understand him.
Yeah, called this a Megatron Spotlight.:)

The sadness in optimus frustration in trying to tap into the intelligent, politically driven idealist that megatron once was is one of the greatest prime / megatron clashes ever.
Indeed. I would say Prime's frustration toward the end was so good written and illustrated.

It's also interesting they choose Whirl to do that dirty job.

Denyer
2011-07-28, 11:28 AM
Milne pulled that off pretty well apart from the last panel, which feels like he did it five years earlier. Nice cover concept too.

We've seen this confrontation before in many different guises (a lot of which involve Prof X and Magneto) -- which is why you need a James Roberts to give it the detail, intelligence and density of text to make it worthwhile. I'm sure I've said it before, but this level of writing sets the bar... it's not just phoning in some splash panels, it justifies the $3.99 at the top left of the cover.

It still seems a stretch that this is actually why Megs surrendered, and hopefully the setup will go somewhere... but if not, it's a solid standalone issue.

zigzagger
2011-07-30, 02:17 AM
Yeah, I've seen this kind of loving attention to detail before (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=48146). It's super, super chatty, it's got Impactor, Xaaron and all sorts of obscure references -- like a top-notch fanfic.

I really, really liked this. I'd say this is easily the best thing IDW has published since LSOTW, but that's a given looking at what else has come out these past couple years. Not being able to finish a TF comic in under two minutes is also a refreshing change.

Can't say this is enough to bring me back into the fold - so many times bitten, you know - but this does show promise.


We've seen this confrontation before in many different guises (a lot of which involve Prof X and Magneto) -- which is why you need a James Roberts to give it the detail, intelligence and density of text to make it worthwhile.


I'm not sure how the rest of y'all rated it, but I loved the revelation that Megatron and Optimus' first meeting was a modest and low-key one, rather than some grand battle as the former initially recalled. That whole page is just perfection.

Skyquake87
2011-07-31, 09:10 PM
stuff like that , subtley, nuance, detail and expression and bloody hell, just some emotion remind you how starved Transformers comics have been of this kind of story telling.

Whilst the rest of the comics industry has rapidly developed in terms of storytelling prowess, Transformers has for too long felt like any run of the mill comic of the early 1990s, but without a big name artist to forgive the rather 'empty' content.

Hennessy
2011-08-04, 10:56 PM
Your all purpose Transformers #23 reaction and discussion thread.

- ziggy

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5 Page preview

http://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/transformers_23_preview?viewMode=magazine

Knightdramon
2011-08-05, 08:55 AM
Jaw dropped. As with #22, fantastic.

If any of you have trouble reading the damn thing [my screen froze whenever I "clicked to read"], you can log in with your facebook account and download the PDF file.

Awesome issue. Funny how a 5 page preview [and issue 22 before it] can enrich Megatron Origins in such a way.

Red Dave Prime
2011-08-05, 12:58 PM
DAMNIT FORBIDDEN PLANET!!! WHERE'S MY ISSUE 22???

Ahem, sorry bout that...

Paul053
2011-08-05, 02:16 PM
Ah, don't watch the preview, don't watch the preview, don't watch the preview............... When is #23 coming out? Oh, the 10th.

PS. Please post this in comic thread.:swirly:

Neuronutter
2011-08-05, 09:05 PM
Wow! After the ups and downs of the last few years it finally feels like we have a great writer on the ongoing. This issue was fantastic! The writing was top notch, the art was miles above anything I've seen in ages and the all round experience was superb. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'll be looking forward to the next Roberts issue.

Not only that but we get a Roberts penned, Roche drawn series before too long. Can't wait!


I'm not sure we've done anything to deserve this.

I think years of supporting some of the sub-standard sh*t IDW have produced (I'm looking at you AHM and Megatron: Origin, among others!) have earned us this!

Red Dave Prime
2011-08-06, 07:43 AM
The best issue so far in whats been an overall upswing in quality in the ongoing. Certainly engrossing to read and also makes you want to see where this is going. Kudos also to the panel which is a collage of sorts of all the past plotlines - Milne did a great job with that one. All in all, the only fault I had was with that last page which had a rushed feel that milne has generally avoided in his last few issues (and credit to him, his art these last few months has been leagues ahead of his previous stuff)

Also, am I missing something with the last few panels? Megatron just throws the (i)pad into a random sign, yes? or is there some greater significance that I'm missing?

P.s. - And if IDW wanted to do a quick cash-in, I reckon a 3-4 parter on one of the battles megs and prime discuss could be fun on a sheer action level - particularly the first one :)

zigzagger
2011-08-06, 08:13 AM
Also, am I missing something with the last few panels? Megatron just throws the (i)pad into a random sign, yes? or is there some greater significance that I'm missing?


The shattered screen resembles the Decepticon symbol.

Red Dave Prime
2011-08-06, 10:33 AM
Christ, how did i miss that?

Must... try... harder!

Cliffjumper
2011-08-08, 10:41 AM
We've seen this confrontation before in many different guises

It really reminded me of the TMUK strip where Prime and Megatron meet in that special orb space station and have a similar conversation.

But this isn't a bad thing. Best TF comic I've read since... well, I wish Wreckers wasn't so recent so that could carry some weight, but y'know. Loved the way the archetypes carry enough that it doesn't matter if you consider the first 21 issues to be a complete waste of disk space and didn't bother reading them.

Still sliiiightly skeptical as to Roberts' ability to bring out epic storylines in the ongoing, but more as a defence mechanism in response to IDW's consistently wasteful, disappointing and plain shitty output. If the bigger stories don't come off and we're left with character debris of this quality, I'll settle.

Did prefer the second half of the issue when the reference-o-meter calmed down a little bit. Too many nudge-nudge wink-wink bits tend to distract when the story should have its' own legs.

inflatable dalek
2011-08-08, 08:04 PM
So is this something that can be picked up and read in relative isolation (ie, about the same level of references as Wreckers, with the story either not depending on them or the context being made clear)? Frankly I wouldn't even want to go as far as reading a wiki summary of the other ongoing issues.

Cliffjumper
2011-08-08, 08:34 PM
Well, people listen to Bumblebee and Hot Rod like they matter, and of course it starts of with Megatron in Autobot custody (I'm guessing he was captured in some shit comic or other, probably the one where they fly the Ghostbusters to Zombieland on the ****ing Enterprise or the one written by that hack who wrote Firebug and is therefore the man the title needs), but yeh, there's really nothing there - at least nothing I picked up on. Remember when the ****ing comics used to just tell stories, and did so for 8 or 9 years without someone having to change the format and resort to cheap stunts every half an hour? That's when this comic is from. It should be drawn by Will Simpson and coloured by Gina Hart.

The only bad thing is that prick Schmidt spewing the usual IDW "nothing will ever be the same again!!!!!!!!!" blurb all over the back page.

This run is going to **** #81 up so much that Furman will cry himself to sleep every night.

EDIT: I mean cry himself to sleep about the Roberts book specifically, rather than all the other things he cries himself to sleep about, i.e. everything he's written since 1994 apart from those issues of What If...?

inflatable dalek
2011-08-08, 09:02 PM
Remember when the ****ing comics used to just tell stories, and did so for 8 or 9 years without someone having to change the format and resort to cheap stunts every half an hour? That's when this comic is from. It should be drawn by Will Simpson and coloured by Gina Hart.

I'll hopefully be picking it up at AA then, it's just this and 23 that Rocharts are doing isn't it? I can't see them being collected in trade by themselves so I'll support the hiring of actual non shit talent the old fashioned way.

That sounds very promising for their own title then, if they can just keep their heads down and get on with their own thing it could be top notch. That's why I'm very much hoping it's the other ongoing that's going to get treated by IDW as the "Main" one, it lets that act as a human shield taking all the crap IDW seem to insist on throwing at the lead book.

The only bad thing is that prick Schmidt spewing the usual IDW "nothing will ever be the same again!!!!!!!!!" blurb all over the back page.

You should see his intro to the first big hardback book thing I brought last week, it's almost enough to make me think he's intentionally sending himself up.

It certainly shows why Schmidt going off to make sure toy boxes have the wrong name on them at Hasbro is a good thing:

The book you hold in your hands is the culmination of literally years of work from dozens of creative people who all have one thing in common- they love TRANSFORMERS.

If you grew up as a fan, then you may know how intensely many in the fan community scrutinise the TRANSFORMERS comics, toys, cartoons and movies. And that scrutiny leads to better work from the creators who share the fans passions.

In the case of this volume and the subsequent volumes in the pipeline, we put our heads together to figure out how best to present the IDW COLLECTION of TRANSFORMERS comics.

To call it the IDW COLLECTION means that this was our best foot forward with Hasbro's incredible cast of characters. We've hopefully created new situations, character tricks and traints, and conflicts that can be explored for generations to come.

The first idea we had was to put all of the IDW comics in chronologcial order. But upon looking at the whole line-up we determined that was not the best way to read the books. So then we looked at presenting them in publishing order. but again we felt that this wasn't the best way to read the books either.

So then we looked for a hybrid of the two that took into account the best dramatic order of events. The IDW COLLECTION is neither in straight chronological order, nor is it in publishing order. It's in our suggested reading order for all the comics up through ALL HAIL MEGATRON.

This is our best guess. And it is a guess. Between five different editors in five years and a host of creators, it is impossible to come with a definative reading order. Is it as close as one can get? I do not know myself. I leave that determination up to the scrutiny of the fans.

For now, if this is your first time reading TRANSFORMERS, this is the best way to do it. A nice, slcik, over-sized book put in a great reading order. If you are a long time fan returning, see if this plays out any differently that when you first read the comics. I love this kind of thing, and at the end of the day I hope you do, too.

There's so much comedy potential in that I almost feel like doing a line by line deconstruction for my blog, but as it is, the use of BOLD suggests either IDW don't have the hang of italics or Schmidt is really Tramp.

EDIT: That is I'll be picking it up at AA assuming that Birmingham is still there by the weekend, which the news is suggesting might not be the case right now. Or at least not the area right next to the hotel anyway. Yay.

EDIT @ Cliffy's EDIT: I assume Furman just has Wildman do some comedy pratt falls to cheer him up when he can't sleep.

tformsopti8
2011-08-09, 05:45 AM
Quiet possibly the best issue in the TF comics. There is a lot of character development with Prime and Megatron recalling their past battles. It's amazing that all this is done with neither of them lifting a finger. This is probably my favorite part in Transformers # 22

zigzagger
2011-08-12, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I'm just going to copy and move this here....and, voila, instant reaction thread!

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Yeah, I dug the issue. Didn't quite reach the level of brilliance as the previous one, but a pretty nifty character study of Optimus Prime.

Notes and stuff:

Optimus' code, the whole "freedom is the right..." rhetoric he routinely spouts, turns out to be something that he picked up from Megatron. Cool twist. I liked. Definitely pushes the sympathy for the devil angle that I think Roberts is shooting for.

They barely touched on Whirl, but, man, I wanna read/learn more about him. Why do folks in high places value him so much? I really want to know.

On page 17, is that supposed to be pre-war Ironfist speaking to Sentinel?

I'm going to hazard a guess that that's the elusive Tyrest that Ultra Magnus bangs on about speaking with Orion on the last few pages.

It's weird - it seems like there really hasn't been too many Optimus origin stories - not many good ones either, in my opinion - throughout the history of the franchise. The ones that do also tend to skip to the point just before Optimus is named leader.

Marvel didn't really delve into it all that much*, Dreamwave (Furman) briefly touched on it, (I mean, no sooner we're introduced to "Optronix", that he's handed the Matrix), and before IDW hadn't really addressed it. Oh...and there's that episode from the Sunbow series that everyone remembers.

* Correct me if I'm wrong, there's the 1986 annual and that flashback during the Underbase Saga, right? I'm not remembering anything else.

I don't know what Roberts has planned for this (sigh, for f*ck's sake) new ongoing series I keep hearing about, and at the moment I'm still cynical even if I like the guy's work, but he writes a brilliant Optimus Prime. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for allowing the second stringers a chance to shine, but Prime has been starving for this kind of development. I didn't know who IDW Optimus Prime was until now.

Cliffjumper
2011-08-13, 03:00 PM
Good stuff once again - it seemed not quite as dynamite as the last one, but then if they'd been published the other way around it might have been different, if you follow... #22 had "wait, a good IDW comic?" as shock value.

References cranked back so we weren't swimming in in-jokes was a good thing.

I liked Whirl - he's a bit of a meat-head, which puts him down as exactly the sort of blunt weapon that'd fit Impactor's Wreckers. I don't think there's much more to him than friends in high places, though - he's a thug who obviously doesn't mind enforcing the Senate's views, it makes sense they'd look after those to keep the thugs onside.

Liked Orion Pax - better than Optronix or whatever that shit was. The name was never the problem - the fact that the guy in "War Dawn" is a complete moron who had nothing in common with Optimus Prime beyond his colour scheme was the problem.

Good stuff. Still convinced IDW will totally and utterly **** up the ongoing somehow.

Knightdramon
2011-08-14, 05:13 PM
Not bad, although I did like Megatron's story more.

Whirl does seem to be knee deep in shit he's not fond of, judging from his interactions with Orion. He just reads off as a bully who believes his friends took it too far.

I was gritting like an idiot on Orion impaling that dude ala Underworld: Rise of the Lycans with his smokestack tip. Surprised nobody else picked that up in all the forums. I'd offer my cats off to Roberts\Milne if he was depicted, I don't know, poking the dude's eye out with the smokestack.

I also loved seeing Sentinel again. Dude's bit of a thug, but he's still one of the most lovable thugs of mine. Ratbat and Decimus were nice cameos, even if only for a panel each.

What I don't really like is IDW putting more Primes in the lineage. I LOVE a new Prime [or should I say old Prime], don't get me wrong, but the way IDW protrays Nominus and Zeta leaves us craving for more that we never actually get. Nominus has ONE panel inside a panel and that's all, a snapshot picture. From the way this issue reads it appears his assassination attempt was a ruse to get him underground so they could play with the matrix some more. So did the guy die later and pass it on to Sentinel?

If so, how come none of the precious and corrupt Senate did not get it [it was established last issue that a Prime chooses his successor]? Maybe Sentinel was used as a guinea pig\spearhead?

Only thing I was a bit miffed about was how it's alluded that Prime is not a proper successor of the matrix, but we never see it. Don't get me wrong, I'm in all sorts of crazy love about the franchise's icon basically stealing, good natured, the spotlight, but I would like to see it.

Hope we really get more pre-war\origin material like that!

Cliffjumper
2011-08-14, 05:25 PM
Mmm, I would love a series of that stuff. Not the flawed "event"-style War Within series, but Spotlight-style things peppered with historical bits.

Paul053
2011-08-15, 02:41 PM
Read it. It's still certainly nice but I couldn't judge which one I like better comparing to #22. They are just all great. One minor thing really bothers me is for those new (old) faces popped up here and there, I somehow wish they had put a name tag beside him. Like the one talked to Optimus (ehhh, Orion) at the end, the one running around doing Sentinel's errands, etc. At the end, I was screaming I want more. Really scared about IDW will screw up again and make the down fall after this one.

inflatable dalek
2011-08-15, 06:01 PM
For issue 22 and 23:


Ohhhhhh, that was good wasn't it? I didn't really get much feeling of 23 being less good, but I was reading them back to back and tended to see it as more one big story.

I didn't actually know Roche wasn't drawing this, and my heart sank a bit with I saw Milne's name on the front. But I was pleasantly surprised, I don't know if the colouring helped it look less murky than usual, but he managed to represent the potential he had back in his Dreamwave days rather than the "Claw out my eyes" work of the last few years.

Only bit I didn't really like about the actual plot was that age old prequel thing of everyone just happening to know each other beforehand. Whilst it wasn't as bad as in Megatron Origin (where not only did just about everyone turn up but even hung out in the correct sub groups) it was still a bit off to see Impactor and Whirl just happening to be hanging about with Megatron and Prime. It always makes the Universe feel very small, especially as there should be millions of Transformers on the planet at this stage.

Other than this very, very small niggle though, that was lovely. The big problem with Origin was there was a lot of talk about the oppresion of the miners and working classes, but after the first issue we never saw it. Here we get it, and it's generally done in a smart way. There's some bored thugs and the higher up conspiracy but generally most of the Autobots aren't consciously trying to mistreat anyone, it's a sin of omission.

And some interesting questions about the past are being set up, in a nicely understaed way. What is the full nature of the Senate conspiracy? Why does Optimus not seem to have a natural affinity with the Matrix (Ratchet seems to be able to hold it in his chest without modification, was ol' Orion never really meant for it?). It's making me want to read more. And to see Whirl again (has he even done more than cameo in IDW), imagine a scene between him and Megatron now.

This has me excited about the Rocharts ongoing! I want to know what happens next! Job done.

And my favourite bit of both issues, was Megatron just casually sticking the knife in by correcting Prime's pronunciation of Rodion.

If only people had just liked his poetry.

EDIT: Oh, and the way Whirl was written when Orion caught up with him was brilliant, resigned and even slightly scared. Just enough of a hint of a, if not good then at least salvageable person in there to make him winding up on the Autobot side not seem completely implausible (If he'd been full of anger and real threats could you see Optimus ever allowing him on side at all?).

Red Dave Prime
2011-08-15, 11:20 PM
Another solid issue from the brain of Roberts. Not as jaw dropping as part one but still great stuff - amazing how this makes me want to go back to Megatron Origins. I'm sure there are a few niggles but I'm not going to focus on them because they are just that - niggles. There's no glaring IDW trademark "DOH!" moment. There's sensible plotting. Characters are consistent. History is observed but not slavishly. All things that IDW has failed out on a regular basis for the past few years.

Also nice is that these two issues have us all pondering how exactly things lie. The fact that some here would like to see a few issues devoted to this time shows what a good job Roberts has done. I wouldnt mind if they dont fill in all the gaps, at least for a while. This kind of intrigue is a good thing, and I hope we get more of it. Does it set up future plot lines? Who knows, but it gets the old grey matter working.

And Milne is holding it all together with some good art. And I think the credit is all Milnes because even without the improved colouring (which does wonders) it's his more considered new approach thats creating some really nice panels.

Like everyone else, I dont want to suddenly proclaim that everything is super and IDW wont **** it all up but credit where it's due, IDW has improved since the end of Megatrons revenge. That's four (i think) decent issues of the ongoing on the bounce and the silly but super fun Infestation. Yeah, Heart of Darkness was piss-poor in every sense but generally I'm looking forward to seeing where we go with Chaos. Will it wrap everything up nicely before issue 125? We can but hope.

If I can mention one niggle that does somewhat concern me, it's that I'm not sure if Chaos Theory, excellent as it's been really feeds into Chaos itself. This was all about Megatron and Primes origin. But Chaos would seem to be about Galvatron, Cybertron and D-Void (good luck with that Turkey Roberts, I fear even that one's beyond your ability). For the moment I dont see how it ties in. But I'll certainly be picking up the next issue to find out.

zigzagger
2011-08-16, 05:07 AM
Only bit I didn't really like about the actual plot was that age old prequel thing of everyone just happening to know each other beforehand. Whilst it wasn't as bad as in Megatron Origin (where not only did just about everyone turn up but even hung out in the correct sub groups) it was still a bit off to see Impactor and Whirl just happening to be hanging about with Megatron and Prime. It always makes the Universe feel very small, especially as there should be millions of Transformers on the planet at this stage.

For me, Impactor and Whirl had feasible professions just going by what I already know about them, so I was able to chalk it up as coincidence. But, I agree with you. Actually, I almost felt the same way when I thought the orange/tan/blue generic could've been a young Ironfist. Two Wreckers showing up? I'm okay with that for the above reasons, but three within a 2-issue origin story? That would've been a bit much. Fortunately the consensus is (the few that noticed, anyway) that it's not Ironfist, thus my fanwank-o-meter remains at a safe and moderate level.

Plus, that would've, like, totally disrupted established continuity, since it was Roberts that told us that Ironfist met Optimus at a later time.

The big problem with Origin was there was a lot of talk about the oppresion of the miners and working classes, but after the first issue we never saw it. Here we get it, and it's generally done in a smart way. There's some bored thugs and the higher up conspiracy but generally most of the Autobots aren't consciously trying to mistreat anyone, it's a sin of omission.

amazing how this makes me want to go back to Megatron Origins.

Weird, isn't it? Mind, I'm probably not going to go back and re-read Megatron Origin, but it does say something about Roberts. I'm looking at M:O in much different way than I did...and I'm not sure how I feel about that yet. It's definitely the story that I always wanted out of that series, though.

Auntie Slag
2011-08-16, 06:44 AM
Just a couple of quick questions because I'm not very up on this:

- Is the Transformers ongoing finishing at issue 25?
- Is James Roberts definitely doing more than these two issues?

Back in LSotW, Ironfist stated that he met Prime only once, and Prime thought he was someone else (Skyfall).

zigzagger
2011-08-16, 07:50 AM
- Is the Transformers ongoing finishing at issue 25?
- Is James Roberts definitely doing more than these two issues?



No, it's finishing at #125 (the 32nd issue, I guess?); and yes, with the ongoing now shipping biweekly, he'll be splitting writing duties with Costa on issues 24, 26, 28, 30 and 125.

Red Dave Prime
2011-08-16, 09:31 AM
Before this came out I actually did re-read Megatron:Origins and I wouldnt recommend you go back. The art is dreadful, so cluttered and just plain bad in parts. And while there is the hint of an interesting story, the execution is poor as well. Megatrons character is nowhere near as investigated as it is here and the background story is under-fed. Soundwave is never explained although my guess is he is now part of the conspiracy that issue 23 brings up.

inflatable dalek
2011-08-16, 05:56 PM
One nice thing is that Megatron's characterisation was in keeping with his Origin one, not very chatty and slightly introvert. There's just a lot more layers added on top of that, even if he doesn't go "Hrrrn" so often.


Plus, that would've, like, totally disrupted established continuity, since it was Roberts that told us that Ironfist met Optimus at a later time.

Because it's not like it's drawn by that bloke who filled Megatron: Origin with random characters who weren't supposed to be there.


Ah.

Blackjack
2011-08-16, 06:55 PM
It's great stuff! There are some places where it's niggling, but the good stuff outweigh the bad stuff.

What I must say is, this finally makes G1 Optimus Prime and G1 Megatron as actual characters rather than caricatures of a generic cartoon hero and villain.

It makes me oddly hopeful that the Chaos event won't be a disaster, which is the sad, inevitable triumph of hope over experience whenever a good IDW issue is concerned.

zigzagger
2011-08-16, 08:46 PM
Figured this ought to go here; Milne has posted a sketch of Nominus Prime on his Deviant Art page:

http://markerguru.deviantart.com/#/d46poba

Blackjack
2011-08-16, 11:47 PM
Did he appear in the issue proper?

zigzagger
2011-08-20, 03:49 AM
Did he appear in the issue proper?
Nope. Just the partially obscured mug shot.

I'm only mildly interested that it's yet another Prime, but issues 22 and 23 tossed the name around a few times, so it's nice being able to put a face to him.

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Also, if anyone's interested - color guides for Rung (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d471nc5) (also sketches w/ his alt mode (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d471m8d)), Springarm (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d46wz7f) (sketch of alt-mode (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d471heu) here, too) and Nominus Prime (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d46wxhr), along with sketch of Megatron (http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d471ikf) in his pre-war duds.

And in case you forgot, Rung's the shrink who wrote up all those psychological evaluations/profiles in LSOTW.

Blackjack
2011-08-20, 11:38 AM
Those sketches are actually pretty good!

Rung's a whole lot different than the mental image I had in my mind when reading 'Bullets', though. I dunno, I expected him to look more... Prowly.

Denyer
2011-08-21, 07:40 PM
Better than last issue IMO, driving the setup forward a bit... Milne's on good form, helped by great-as-always colouring.

What I must say is, this finally makes G1 Optimus Prime and G1 Megatron as actual characters rather than caricatures of a generic cartoon hero and villain.
Mmm, exactly.

Shame the ongoing's promptly backslid into splash page bollocks, judging by the #24 preview, and it all seems to be tied into this Unicron-lite D-Void stuff. And I do wonder how much of the 'history' side these days is nudged at the licensor approval stage by the backstory Hasbro is putting out in Exodus/Exiles/Book3ofTrilogy, particularly as we're heading into an event called Chaos.

Still, will check out the Roberts issues.

Neuronutter
2011-08-22, 11:57 PM
Wow. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Everything is firing on all cylinders to create an all round great comic. But I'm still not that excited leading into Chaos. That may be because Roberts is only writing half of it, and Costa is still writing the other half though. Hope Roberts can keep this quality going into his series.

zigzagger
2011-08-28, 09:13 PM
I almost felt the same way when I thought the orange/tan/blue generic could've been a young Ironfist.....

Definitely not Ironfist....even if we've already established that it wasn't :o

http://markerguru.deviantart.com/art/TF-Ongoing-issue23-pg17-254649450

favourite part is having a bot coloured in the colours of ironfist. i really wanted that botcon toy, and since i couldn't get one, i thought i'd have some bot in those colours. Not the best reason, though.

StarscreamX
2011-08-28, 10:19 PM
I've actually found out that I have the Ironfist toy in my garage. I had a squee right there because I bought the Springer and Kup toys a a boot sale and I have the Top Spin/Twin Twist toys and the Guzzle toy and all the Decepticon toys like Sykquake and Snare

So I have almost the whole cast of Last Stand of the Wreckers as toys :clap:

I just need to buy an Overlord toy and a Rotorstorm toy :D

inflatable dalek
2011-09-14, 06:04 AM
Really good podcast interview with Roberts specifically on 22 and 23 at Moonbase 2 here:

http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/the-underbase-aa2011-interviews-james-roberts

I'd no idea he'd been acting as an editing consultant since issue 18, I guess that has something to do with why people seem to have been enjoying the book more lately?

Lots of nice info on the thought process behind the story and its origins. I must admit to having been a bit dense about the titles meaning (the spilt drink in the bar being the butterfly flapping its wings that leads to the hurricane that is the war). The idea that we're thinking about the Matrix in terms of other continuities and none of that may be applicable here is interesting as well.

In fact, pretty much everything he says is an almost perfect quote to show How Things Should Be Done. And Whirl almost wasn't in it because Roberts had the same concern as me about prequels. Smart man.