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Terome
2011-12-07, 01:01 PM
Ryall tweets a ReGeneration #1 preview page.

Here is the offending article. (http://twitter.com/#%21/chris_ryall/status/144168202379866112/photo/1)

Horrible Illustratored-in autobrands and Prime's blue peepers nonwithstanding, I like the hell out of that art. I particularly enjoy Ultra Magnus' wrap-around sunglasses that he got as a free gift in a packet of Shreddies.*

* This is sincere, I really do like them.

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UPDATE

3-page preview @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4093&page=37).

Cliffjumper
2011-12-07, 02:33 PM
They're calling it ReGeneration? **** a duck. Looks very generic, IMO, like something out of a 3H book. Wildman just does not suit digital colouring - the pencils are completely smothered by the Dreamwave jizz gloss; the robots look too clean and polished (see also: EJ Su). Look at the white room they're in - the stone or whatever is cracked with age, but it's gleaming like something out of a Mr. Sheen commercial. It's a shame IDW are too cheap to draft in an actual colourist.

But then I'll only be downloading legally buying oh yes it to laugh at a pair of guys having a mid-life crisis and trying to retrace their steps after two decades of failure anyway.

Terome
2011-12-07, 04:08 PM
Oh Cliffjumper, you lovable Grinch.

I don't really disagree with any of that but I will probably enjoy the comic anyway. Am not entirely sure why, though I'm sure marketing and nostalgia make up some of the partial pressure of the fumes swirling around in my decision-making centres.

Brimstone
2011-12-07, 05:00 PM
So what is this supposed to be? Is this the thing that is supposed to be the continuation of the original Marvel comics?

Cliffjumper
2011-12-07, 05:02 PM
Yeh - not to be confused with the continuation of the Marvel comics that was published by Marvel comics, though. Especially as this probably won't be anywhere near as good.

inflatable dalek
2011-12-07, 08:37 PM
Don't mind the Regeneration One title, but there is nothing very exciting about any of this. I can't even be arsed to be pissed off with how it looks like Cliffy.

Like I said before, if you're going to do this at all, they should have gone all out on it. Set it right after 80 and carry on into the 90's. No twenty year jump or desperate attempt to get new readers on board, this should be aimed squarely at the old school fans. It's not as if there's not many more people who read the old book than have ever picked up an IDW one, but they're all freely available to read in the many, many reprints.

Or if you are going to do it as a twenty year time jump and freshish start, don't ignore G2. Realistically, I don't think they'll be any characters playing a large part in this who weren't still around at the end of G2 (Nightbeat being the most likely exception) so it's just a case of using the jump as an excuse to get them into the right bodies.

Though has Furman forgotten Ultra Magnus wasn't in the US comic?

Cliffjumper
2011-12-07, 09:14 PM
Are you kidding? Everyone who went down well in the Dead Furmanverse (and any concepts to boot) are going to be co-opted into this ****ing car crash. Monsterbots, Banzai-Tron, The Bride, Hardhead... He might even have the hubris to rope in the Wreckers.

Ignoring the gap bascially makes it pointless, yes - it means Furman can resurrect who he wants and write out who he wants; are we really expecting Krok to get more than a line in this, despite being Decepticon 2IC by #80? Or are we expecting Blitzwing and Skywarp, a pair of complete ****ing nobodies in the Marvel continuity? And when you come down to it this makes it no different to any other random reboot. Especially when his first round of turds for IDW featured exactly the same characters with exactly the same characterisation as the Marvel stuff - Oh no wait he dun Wheelie wow he's Alan ****ing Moore all of a sudden.

This comic is going to be ****ing hilarious.

Skyquake87
2011-12-07, 11:12 PM
Well good luck to Furman and Wildman. I hope they can pull this off. I think they're on a hiding to nothing with this. I can't see the point in the twenty year gap. we know there's been twenty actual years since the original book was cancelled, but it seems unnecessary to move the book on by the same corresponding time frame. It would have probably been a better idea to start at # 79 and work out the conclusion to whatever arc Furman had in mind for the book at that point, rather than keep the compacted and rushed #80 in tact. Mind you, given Furman's history of recycling unused ideas, i think we pretty much got what he intended to write for the G1 comic in the pages of Generation 2. Or the 1992 UK Annual.

As for the art clip in Ryall's tweet, Wildman's art seems as cheerful as it was back in the day. No doubt that's in part due to what look to be Baskerville's inks over his pencils. the colouring could do with being just flat to mimic the old school vibe the book will have. Still, we could have had Nel Yomotv on colouring duties again, so we should be thankful for small mercies. Also : do Hasbro insist on badly photoshopped faction symbols? Aren't artists allowed to draw them anymore?

I think I'd be willing to give this a go. It can hardly be worse than anything else IDW have given us. So long as the Dead Universe doesn't make an unwanted reappearance...

Also: Action Masters!!! I'd have liked to seen them again.

Ulcrain
2011-12-08, 04:54 AM
Knowing how widely distrabuted the UK stories are nowadays, Furmans probuly counting it in caonn, which would explain Ultra Magnes. Furman even said he would like to bring the Wreckers back in an interview.

Warcry
2011-12-08, 05:34 AM
You can count me among the people who find the modern Photoshop colouring really offputting when it comes to a Marvel continuation. All three of the Marvel books (US, UK and G2) had pretty distinctive colouring styles and it's too bad that they couldn't pick one of them and try to emulate it.

Ignoring the gap bascially makes it pointless, yes - it means Furman can resurrect who he wants and write out who he wants; are we really expecting Krok to get more than a line in this, despite being Decepticon 2IC by #80? Or are we expecting Blitzwing and Skywarp, a pair of complete ****ing nobodies in the Marvel continuity? And when you come down to it this makes it no different to any other random reboot.
This is exactly why I'm lukewarm to the whole project. I'm not entirely sure I blame Furman for all of it, though. Didn't he say in an interview that IDW and Hasbro told him to focus on the 'core cast'?

As someone who started reading the comic around #66, a big part of the charm of the Marvel stuff is that characters like Krok, Octopunch, Whisper and Override are just as likely to show up and do something important as Prowl or Sideswipe or Thundercracker. If this book doesn't pick up right after #80 (or G2 #12, my preference) and it doesn't feature the scattershot cast selection of the Marvel book, what's the point? It's just Generic Furman Reboot #529.

Also : do Hasbro insist on badly photoshopped faction symbols? Aren't artists allowed to draw them anymore?
Unless my memory is playing tricks, Nick Roche hand-drew the faction symbols in LSOTW. My guess is that most artists just don't want to do it because it's too hard, especially when the character is on an angle relative to the 'camera'

Cliffjumper
2011-12-08, 05:36 AM
Counting the UK comic doesn't help anything with Magnus, who was last seen wandering around a random bit of Cybertron with Sizzle, Guzzle and the other one. He's not summoned by Primus, which would at best mean he's a fair distance away, and at worst mean he's dead.

Thankfully, though, there's a 20 year gap [context: assuming they're all 'present day' and ignoring the various alternate futures, the events of the original Marvel comic take place over 8 years - that's how monstrously stupid this all is], meaning Furman can just throw him in without bothing to explain anything, probably stapling a lot of his SPACE COP "personality" on as a bonus.

My biggest problem with this whole thing is that while it might pick up the continuity of the Marvel books fairly well (and if it doesn't, that's unforgivable considering the prep that's possible), it's not going to be able to capture the tone. The art and the composition of the cast are big problems, but so are twenty years of evolution for the characters and devolution for the writer and artist.

Tenner says the Nucleon and Last Autobot get one-line off-the-cuff 'explanations' conveniently used to explain how things are exactly how Furman wants them rather than how they were in #80.

Warcry
2011-12-08, 06:04 AM
Tenner says the Nucleon and Last Autobot get one-line off-the-cuff 'explanations' conveniently used to explain how things are exactly how Furman wants them rather than how they were in #80.
That's still one line more than they got in G2.

If they're really going to stick to their guns and end things at #100, I wouldn't blame them for picking and choosing which plot points to follow up on. I think it'll be a choice between ignoring some things entirely or trying to cram everything in and doing a half-assed job of all of it.

It's what they do with the ideas that they do follow up on that I'm worried about. Furman's books haven't exactly been fresh and inventive as of late, so I'm expecting the story to revolve around humans salvaging Transformer technology from the Ark and founding some sort of Mysterious Organization with Far Reaching Plans that can totally take down any Transformer who isn't on Furman's list of favourites.

I'm hoping that if I set the bar that low, there's no way the reality of it could be worse.

Ulcrain
2011-12-08, 07:59 AM
Frankly Warcry, while I agree that Furman is a bit restricted in characters, he still is much better useing characters he knows. I mean, would it make much difference if Skywarp awakened Primus insted of Octopunch? Not much but Furman had to because of Hasbro.Infact, in the non Hasbro mandated G2, what was one of the few things Furman did with the character? He killed him off. Simurly with G2, Krok didn't make a single apperance, dispite origannly being Bludgons number 2.

O and Nucleon will be staying in the plot and Galvatron will be returning. Lets just say Fortress will get the rematch of his life...

Cliffjumper
2011-12-08, 01:43 PM
TBH, that's exactly the sort of thing that's going to do it in. Sure, Spinister only really ended up being an awesome Mayhem-type guy because he was in the shops at the time, but the fact is he ended up as one where, say, Thrust was a faceless dullard. If they were (as a for instance) to have a Spinister-style guy who's actually Thrust it'd completely miss the point of doing the thing.

G2 deaths are neither here nor there - Furman killed off a lot of characters he was fond of during the storyline (Bludgeon, Smokescreen, Inferno, Slag, Nightbeat) in order to further the plot/up the stakes/cause a shock - there's a conscious effort to avoid doing an Underbase. I did read somewhere that in an interview he stated he regretted wiping out Bludgeon's Decepticons quite so quickly, so maybe there's some hope there.

G2 isn't faultless, especially on some aspects of the transition, but it at least struck out in what - at the time - was a very different direction for TF comics. Love it or hate it, it went somewhere new for Transformers and tore up a few trees. I realise now it's quite cool to dismiss it as "nineties" (whatever that means, ****ing Hitman and Preacher were nineties) and "dork age" (ditto), but that's just revisitionist bullshit from morons. This... isn't going to be. It's going to be the same safe, stale stuff Furman's been bottle-feeding readers for both DW and IDW.

I'm predicting the first couple of issues will be a lot more interesting than I think they will be, and that the transitions/infodump won't be quite as clumsy as I fear. Then I think the wheels are going to come off as we watch the Grimlock Is Badass, Prime Is Indecisive, Galvatron Beats Up Everyone But Only Uses Lethal Force On Guys Furman Doesn't Like soap opera.

Ulcrain
2011-12-08, 07:15 PM
Grimlocks stuck an Action Master at the start of this, (Somthing tells me Furman is going to kill him off) and two of the major problums with G2 the Furman can potenionally fix in Reganoration.

1.Ignoreing various plotpoints set up in the series such as Nucleon (Which will play a part here) and the Ratchet/Megatron mindmeld
2.Barely any identity is given to the Empire beyond Jiaxus and Rook. Theres a reason why most post G2 fics I read lumps the Predertors in there.

inflatable dalek
2011-12-08, 08:32 PM
Now, to be completely fair to this, comparisons with the basic set up of G2 don't really work as they're trying to do very different things. G2 was very much a relaunch aimed at getting in new readers, expressly those the toys were aimed at. It had to, by its very nature, be off hand with how it dealt with Old Business (or even New Business in the case of how Megatron got his new body being left to G.I. Joe) because it had to hit the ground running with a whole new story. The fact it's as reverential to what had gone before as it was is something of a minor miracle (and possibly a self defeating one, would any new readers who picked up that first issue have had the first clue about Prime's flashbacks?).

Regeneration One (and am I the only one trying to resist calling it Degeneration One constantly on the wiki principle?) is however being promoted first and foremost as a continuation. It's going to be issue 81 rather than #1 and that's a different sort of beast. It should be picking up on the old plots and characters pretty much seamlessly and is going to be of most interest to people who do care about those things.

So the fact everything that's been announced so far seems to be working against that idea is what's disheartening. And again, to be fair, Furman is working with outside constraints here as this is a book Hasbro didn't want to happen and they apparently laid down some fairly heavy rules on what could and couldn't be done, and IDW themselves seem determined to focus on this "Accessibility" thing. But even if they're not his decisions that doesn't stop them being bad choices for this specific sort of book.

Now, if they'd done a G2 style thing where it was issue 1 in a new series set in the Marvel Universe but years later (sort of more like what Devil's Due did with GI Joe rather than what IDW did with it) a lot of these problems with the set up wouldn't be there.

Other thoughts: Why is Cybertron so beat up? Didn't the whole place get magically restored? Did the Last Autobot do a bodge job? (if this isn't some flashback to closer to the end of the original comic the Autobots shouldn't be so smashed up after twenty years of peace either).

Pasted on Autobrands don't bother me so much in theory, but considering it's now 2011 why can't this be done more convincingly? Mind, the smooth identical look to them wouldn't mesh well with Wildman's art even if they didn't seem to just be floating on top of it.

Odds on a "hilarious" jokey reference to the UK stuff when Magnus walks in (Kup: I haven't seen you since 2006!"?

The comic better not try to have its cake and eat it when it comes to the plot lines it is picking up, you can't have a twenty year gap to avoid some things and then still have Galvatron sitting at the bottom of a lake and the Ark laying on a hill unseen just because Fort Max forgot to send a space email to Cybertron asking for help earlier (in fairness, a fault with G2 as well).

Cliffjumper
2011-12-09, 04:55 PM
.Barely any identity is given to the Empire beyond Jiaxus and Rook. Theres a reason why most post G2 fics I read lumps the Predertors in there.

Personally I thought that was intentional - they're meant to be a faceless horde to contrast with the differing 'G1' Transformers, a sort of ubermensch for Cybertron. It's saying yes, Transformers can potentially work in harmony and acheive some pretty big things, but at the cost of their 'humanity', which is not a good thing for the rest of the universe. If you start throwing colourful personalities in there you miss the entire point. Jhiaxus is a concession to the reader that doesn't really sit with the concept (though this is intentionally played up with the ongoing thread about him 'devolving' to the level of Megatron and Prime).

And Rook had no identity, just a name.

It should be picking up on the old plots and characters pretty much seamlessly and is going to be of most interest to people who do care about those things.

Yup - I'd love to pick up something as close as is possible to what I'd have been picking up in January 1992 had the US book not been cancelled (note: not whatever would have turned up in UK #333 in the mooted monthly, which I suspect would be a little bit more Earthforce-y and less epic in approach due to the planned page rate of sixty a year). Otherwise I don't see the point - it's not a continuation of the Marvel comic; it's a comic that uses an existing continuity as a jumping-on point (the same way the first DW mini was more-or-less set after Season 2 of the cartoon but instead of TF:TM/Seasons 3-4).

Now, that might be a smart thing in a way as Furman won't be bound by 1992 toy release schedules (though his best work has largely been produced under constraint), his ideas now might be much better than they were 20 years ago (they're not, but still) and so on. But it misses the point of doing a G1 #81 if it's going to be a New G2 #1.

And again, to be fair, Furman is working with outside constraints here as this is a book Hasbro didn't want to happen and they apparently laid down some fairly heavy rules on what could and couldn't be done, and IDW themselves seem determined to focus on this "Accessibility" thing. But even if they're not his decisions that doesn't stop them being bad choices for this specific sort of book.

Agree. I mean, at the end of the day if constraints have changed it from being the original plan, there was always the option of not doing it.

(in fairness, a fault with G2 as well).

I always inferred that Spike flip-flopped on whether he wanted to be Fortress Maximus again. He's got form, after all - just about every post-Galen Fort Max story feels like we have the same old "Oh I want out oh no we're probably bonded somehow even though I just slapped on a tin helmet and isn't this just like thing that always seemed to happen to Highbrow whenever Scorponok went anywhere near him" story, at least that time we were spared all the angst.

Warcry
2011-12-09, 09:12 PM
Frankly Warcry, while I agree that Furman is a bit restricted in characters, he still is much better useing characters he knows. I mean, would it make much difference if Skywarp awakened Primus insted of Octopunch?
Well...yes and no. Would the story be significantly different because of it? Not really. But would the 'flavour' of the story change? To me at least, it would. One of the reasons I connected with the comics over the cartoons was because the comics featured toys I could actually go out and buy instead of toys that hadn't been for sale in three or four years. Those guys became a big part of the 'feel' of the Marvel book to me, and if they're not there then what's the point? Every other G1 continuity focuses tighly on groups of 84-86 guys, and if the Marvel universe is gong to do that too then what's left that seperates it from all the others?

G2 deaths are neither here nor there - Furman killed off a lot of characters he was fond of during the storyline (Bludgeon, Smokescreen, Inferno, Slag, Nightbeat) in order to further the plot/up the stakes/cause a shock - there's a conscious effort to avoid doing an Underbase. I did read somewhere that in an interview he stated he regretted wiping out Bludgeon's Decepticons quite so quickly, so maybe there's some hope there.
I suspect he wouldn't have done it at all, if he hadn't been so sure that the series would be axed after #12 and they'd never, ever get a chance to be written about again.

Personally I thought that was intentional - they're meant to be a faceless horde to contrast with the differing 'G1' Transformers, a sort of ubermensch for Cybertron. It's saying yes, Transformers can potentially work in harmony and acheive some pretty big things, but at the cost of their 'humanity', which is not a good thing for the rest of the universe.
I don't know if it was meant to have that message. After all, the Autobots and Decepticons manage to band together, work in harmony and stop the expanding Imperial horde, at least for a while.

I always got the feeling that the older Imperials weren't much different than your average Transformer, but that subsequent generations grew weaker and weaker (morally and presumably physically as well, considering how easily the G1 crew slaughters them) as they split off the life force of their progenators into progressively smaller and smaller pieces. I saw the Imperials as an example of what could happen to a group that forgets it's purpose completely but still keeps on going, mechanically doing what they've always done without really thinking about why they're doing it. But I don't know how much of that is really grounded in the fiction and now much of it just sprung up in my head.

inflatable dalek
2011-12-09, 10:02 PM
I don't know if it was meant to have that message.

I think it was at the time, but it's a message that's retrospectively got a bit muddled by the way Transformers have been treated since. From Beast Machines (my final verdict on that: Not as bad as people thought at the time, not as good as its champions will have you think now. It's the Licence to Kill of Transformers. And Megatron dying because he's forgotten he can ****ing fly would be the stupidist thing ever if not for the Nobel/Savage thing fooling anyone) onwards the villains, and very occasionally the heroes, having armies of mindless identical drones on call.

That makes a version of the franchise that makes mindless identical servitude the worst thing possible, even worse than the "Normal" Decepticons would do, seem a bit out of place.

Yup - I'd love to pick up something as close as is possible to what I'd have been picking up in January 1992 had the US book not been cancelled

Indeed, I actually really like the idea suggested upthread of ignoring the real issue 80 due to it being a slightly desperate attempt to end the book with closure and carrying on from 79. Though I apriciate the practical reasons for not doing so, no least of which is that, if we play fair, The Last Autobot feels like it was written after Furman knew the book was ending as well. I can't see the original plan not being to have Actionmaster Megatron and Starscream coming off the Ark first.

I think what we're looking at here is another classic example of an IDW PR failure. The book that's being promoted and the book Furman is talking about having written aren't even close to being the same thing. So even if he does a brilliant G2V.2 (sod it, that's the meme. Everyone start referring to the book as this from now on and I'll give you a fruit pastel), many of the people who've brought of the back of being promised an 81 are going to be disappointed.

Warcry
2011-12-09, 11:17 PM
That makes a version of the franchise that makes mindless identical servitude the worst thing possible, even worse than the "Normal" Decepticons would do, seem a bit out of place.
I never got the impression that they were mindless or identical, though. They didn't get much of a chance to show off any personality that they might have had, but the ones who got lines usually showed a bit of personality. That one guy in #1 who got mad at the Autobots for slaughtering his comrades stands out for me, as does Mindset. I always figured that all the generic grey and green spearcarriers would've had ideas and personalities of their own too, but we never got to see them because...well, because the book wasn't about them.

Not Cliffjumper, No Sir
2011-12-11, 07:01 PM
I think it was possibly an intentional choice, but made at a late (mid-run) choice. Like you say, in the first couple there's an attempt to make them a little less identikit, which is dropped fairly shortly aside from Mindset - but I suspect that's as much for ease of art (especially when Yaniger really began to fall behind the schedule and The Manster having to do so much work in such short time) as a plot point. However, I think it's a valid reading regardless of authorial intent.

And yup, it is one Hell of a coincidence that Starscream, Shockwave and Megatron are all on the Nucleon-plumbed Ark and also in the AM range... I reckon Galvatron would probably have met his end fairly shortish (he tends to take over a bit when he's alive what with his rogue status and power levels), but hopefully in a more convincing fashion - Megatron, maybe?

EDIT: My bad!

inflatable dalek
2011-12-11, 08:29 PM
Indeed stranger, Ratchet is the other odd one out, with no new toy I'd be amazed if he'd have even had Galvatron's brief reprise, I suspect at best the being turned into an Action Master would have solved the link problem for Megatron. At worst, as happened with G2, it'd have been forgotten.

Blackjack
2011-12-15, 03:01 PM
Regeneration #1? That's quite a punny title, but whatever.

Normally I don't mind art like this, but if it's going to be a continuation of Marvel comics, hey, at least make the colouring somewhat... I don't know, less glossy, perhaps?

I've honestly not been following this 'Marvel #81' thing, so I really don't know anything about it other than plans about it is in the works. However, if it is going to be set in 2011 yet ignore G2, well, I don't think I'm going to be happy about it at all.

Fingers crossed that it won't be Furman Stock Plot #81, with a Machination/Skywatch thing and a big giant head thrown in for good measure.

Ulcrain
2011-12-16, 08:22 AM
For all those wanting a concluion to G2, just read Alightnment

inflatable dalek
2011-12-16, 08:29 AM
For all those wanting a concluion to G2, just read Alightnment

Or A Rage In Heaven, which pretty much is a successful conclusion despite the teasing (people worried about lose ends can always tear the last page out). Alignment may wrap up that one dangling plot thread, but the consensus seems to be it's not terribly good.

Blackjack
2011-12-16, 11:03 AM
I've read Alignment.

Really isn't much than 'a couple hundred years later, Liege Maximo does his crazy becoming-a-god plan, rocks fall, everyone dies'.

Nowhere as satisfying as A Rage in Heaven. All Alignment did was show us Liege Maximo's crazy plan, which in itself isn't much of a read. And Megatron being dead-and-resurrected as quite a big part of the story, which we already had in G2 itself... and even Grimlock and the others don't feel really right, you know?

It's not flat-out terrible, just not satisfying.

Terome
2011-12-16, 03:14 PM
The most memorable part of Alignment is the bit about how Grimlock doesn't need to sit down in a chair, but likes to do so anyway.

inflatable dalek
2011-12-16, 03:28 PM
The most memorable part of Alignment is the bit about how Grimlock doesn't need to sit down in a chair, but likes to do so anyway.

I've really got to sit down and read this thing one of these days. It sounds so bad it goes all the way round infinity out the other side to become awesome.

To clarify though, I don't think anyone was expecting this book to be The Leige Maximo Strikes Again!, it's just the complete ignoring of G2 that's a bit disheartening. Actually no, complete ignoring wouldn't be so bad, Furman's initial slagging off of some of his best work as being too "90's" is what was annoying. Not only is it a bit of a cheap shot (will he do another continuation in 20 years when this one becomes "Too Teenies" and every two decades thereafter to keep it feeling current?) it sets him up for a fall if this book isn't anywhere near the quality of the best of G2. And lets not forget how high that bar is, we could wind up with a perfectly good comic that still disappoints because it's trying to supplant something better.

Cliffjumper
2011-12-16, 05:25 PM
What rankles is that it's really not necessary, and feels like a desperate throw of the dice from a licensee which ran out of ideas two years ago and a writer who can't get a writing job anywhere.

I've no problem with the end of G2, which has just about the right amount of closure. I don't even really have a massive problem with the end of G1, considering it could have ended all Dead Furmanverse. I just do not think anyone involved in this project has the skill and guile to make it any good. The whole concept's ****ed in the arse by the 20-year gap and the '84-86' cast focus.

Alignment isn't so much bad as weird. It's a comic writer trying to write prose. A comic writer who isn't very good at endings try to write The Ending. It's full of really weird choices (without wanting to spoilerise, and working from old memories, a few characters go to one bad place... One is given a rather good gruesome death. Next paragraph or so we're informed that another is the sole survivor without any mention of what exactly happens).

Pertinently, it's a lot like ReGenEraTioN #81/1, in that it was blatantly made up a few months ahead of publication, bears little obvious relaion to the tone of the material it's following up to, features shameless playing to the gallery by a washed-up hack desperate for approval and answers a lot of questions which were much more interesting as unanswered.

Ulcrain
2011-12-16, 07:16 PM
Hell if you wanted to, you could just read the storys that the prople at TMUK made. Won't feel gulity about reading them, after all James Roberts is writeing one of new ongoing. Just try out All That Jazz.

inflatable dalek
2011-12-16, 11:03 PM
I have never felt guilty about watching or reading any Transformers fiction. It's about twenty years to late for that. Minimum.

I think there's some cross wires going in here Ulcrain, both your last two posts have responded to any critiscm of what ReGeneration stands a good chance of being (but I think any of us with worries will be happy to admit we're wrong if we end up enjoying the book) by saying "Don't like this... Read Alignment/TMUK instead". Which is missing the cause of most of the worries about the actual book.

All the previously published material anyone has complained about in this thread at most is, IDW ignoring the Hasbro approved Marvel continuation that was G2. No one is expecting ReGeneration to acknowledge or include any fan fic, which both Alignment and TMUK are. Even with them both involving people who worked on official titles, even with both containing stuff that many people (not me, simply as I've never read either) love a lot. That's irrelevant for an official tie in. It doesn't affect what the reader finds good or not, but no franchise that has a lot of fan fic will see the owner pay any attention to it. Simply because there's not enough hours in the day to read all of it.

inflatable dalek
2012-01-28, 02:23 PM
A Furman interview with more (I have to say fairly terrible looking) Wildman art:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36515

"I don't like to look back, but IDW won't let me work on any of the books they care about".

And it looks as if Cliffy is right about Magnus being "Space Cop".

Terome
2012-01-28, 07:58 PM
To be honest, I think Cliffjumper has got this series pegged. Sometimes I like to imagine that Cliffy is Simon Furman, deranged beyond belief, letting out his self-loathing through a non de plume.

I am currently at Angouleme, one of the biggest and most respected comics festivals in the world. I have yet to see the slightest mention of a Transformer or a Transformers comic.

(Actually, wait. There was that Jeffrey Brown Incredible Change-Bots book on sale somewhere.)

Skyquake87
2012-01-28, 08:34 PM
That Jeffrey Brown book is probably the best Transformers comic we've had over the last decade.

I wish I'd joined the fanclub :)

Terome
2012-01-28, 08:52 PM
That Jeffrey Brown book is probably the best Transformers comic we've had over the last decade.

I wish I'd joined the fanclub :)

Yeah, it really does nail everything about why the property is both great and goofy. The sequel is good, too.

Summerhayes
2012-01-29, 01:25 AM
Jesus, this looks crap. Could it be some clever ploy on IDW's part to get Furman to leave their main series alone?
I've only just caught up with the old Marvel books, but I can't imagine going back to them now like this will be anything other than stupid. Especially considering that really, every comic since G1 went off the air has basically been a desperate attempt to recover the magic.

Denyer
2012-01-29, 02:31 PM
Don't know if people are aware, but the Free Comic Book Day issue for Transformers this year is a preview/lead-in for the Regenerations book. I'm going to check that out before considering committing to a 20-issue run.

Steve's got 'em ordered if anyone else in the UK assumes that we're going to be shafted on FCBD distribution;

http://oneshallstand.com/shop/regeneration/issue80-5.html

zigzagger
2012-03-09, 01:27 AM
3-page preview @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4093&page=37).

Warcry
2012-03-09, 04:15 AM
That's, uh...pretty pretentious.

Also, I dunno why they're recapping the story so far when absolutely no one is going to buy the book who isn't already familiar with the story that it's continuing.

Cliffjumper
2012-03-09, 08:51 AM
Furman is just Chris Claremont, isn't he?

The whole thing looks, reads, feels and will be treated by any sane person like a convention comic. The thing has less soul than reality TV.

So, IDW have screwed over their own comic universe, the Movieverse, BW and now the Marvel stuff, and their Prime comic is probably rubbish too. By my reckoning that's every half-decent body of work under the banner they've tainted with their grubby money-grabbing mandibles.

inflatable dalek
2012-03-09, 12:28 PM
Presumably (well, hopefully) it's another character talking rather than the narrative voice, it has the feel of Xaaron/Primus or the Keepers recap speeches.

With that allowance though, it's not exactly very exciting and does come across as Furman parody. And the big problem, as most recently pointed out by Warcry and discussed by many others elsewhere, it completely misses the point. If they wanted to do a fresh jumping on point they should have just done a new issue 1 set in the Marvel Universe, promoting it as issue 80.5 sends out a completely different message to what they seem to actually be doing.

Wildman's art is better than I expected though, even if I've no idea who the long haired blond bloke is on the first page, can't be Spike can it? And of a cover that's supposed to be excitingly recalling some of the greatest moments from the Marvel (well, mainly Furman's run) why is there a completely dull picture of the moon? "Hey, remember that issue where the moon just sort of sat there in the sky? Good times".

And there's something funny about them going for purple Soundwave when IDW's own recolouring of the proper Marvel stuff has, for no real reason as it was always an intentional choice rather than a mistake they did every single issue, he's now blue.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-09, 12:59 PM
And the big problem, as most recently pointed out by Warcry and discussed by many others elsewhere, it completely misses the point. If they wanted to do a fresh jumping on point they should have just done a new issue 1 set in the Marvel Universe, promoting it as issue 80.5 sends out a completely different message to what they seem to actually be doing.

So true. I'm someone who hasnt really read much of the marvel stories bar what I read years ago as a kid (probably all withing the first 30 issues max). I'm not sure I want to start in on another universe seeing as I'm already invested (for better or worse) in the current IDW version.

The other problem is that Furman has already had another shot at things - several in fact. IDW might have had a better chance of getting me to buy this if I hadnt seen the interesting but messy War Within, the frankly awful Energon and the good to start, awful end of IDW version 1. Its not like Furman has pedigree with the current fanbase.

On the one hand there is the saving grace that there is a finish from the start but if it is a success there's no reason to think that IDW wont try and extend it. Which is where Furman has seemed to fall down.

But the flip side is that this is a clear attempt at going back to reclaim supposed old glory. The problem when you do that is that it can often shine an unforgiven spotlight on what was once held up as classic.

Cliffjumper
2012-03-09, 02:37 PM
Wildman's art is better than I expected though, even if I've no idea who the long haired blond bloke is on the first page, can't be Spike can it?

Wildman has and always will draw humans like Rob Liefield, i.e. whatever was fashionable at the time he started drawing has stuck.

The moon might be a reference to "Totalled", which did have that somewhat pivotal battle there. However, that was a story by someone outside of the Wildfur clique of TFUK losers so it's more likely to be a reference to Furman's round, bald head.

The prose is Furman trying to write like Furman, which hasn't worked in the past 18 years and is unlikely to start working now. Like you say, that'd be a pretty good parody of his writing style, but as the real thing it's a bit worrying. I think we're going to get a lot of telegraphed Furmanisms in this thing as what we've seen and heard about the book thus far points to a pair of guys who completely misunderstand what made their original work so good.

To be fair to them, I'd be at a bit of a loss to explain just what that is, but it's clearly a certain chemistry that involves outside factors (such as how fresh most of the ground they were covering in 1991 was) and a degree of spontaneity and zip that two semi-retired old ****ers desperate for one last payday can't summon up. It's Cole and Yorke at Blackburn, Pacino and Coppola in Godfather Part III, a Eurythmics reunion album or Guest House Paradiso.

Terome
2012-03-09, 03:59 PM
Oh, I was wondering where I had left my copy of Simon's CV. He's very kindly sent out an update.

...

... I no longer can support the view that making this comic was a terribly good idea.

inflatable dalek
2012-03-09, 09:41 PM
What happened to Ideon?!


The moon might be a reference to "Totalled", which did have that somewhat pivotal battle there. However, that was a story by someone outside of the Wildfur clique of TFUK losers so it's more likely to be a reference to Furman's round, bald head.

I did think Totalled briefly, but dismissed it for the same reason. Indeed, the only reason I said "Mainly" Furman rather than totally is I'm not sure what's going on in the top left hand corner. Perhaps It's Hydrus IV?

Cliffjumper
2012-03-09, 10:03 PM
Yeh, Hydrus 4. Possibly traced. Looking at it again, I think that's meant to be Cybertron with one of its' moon about to peek out. IIRC Andy Andrew always did a pretty low-detail Cybertron even when he used to be able to draw.

Skyquake87
2012-03-10, 07:21 AM
Good God that's a horrible read. it also bears all the usual hallmarks of a FCBD comic - total filler material of minimal interest. Boo.

inflatable dalek
2012-03-10, 08:57 AM
Some people at Transfans have suggested the blond man may be a character called "Circuit Smasher", IDW's cunning way of getting around Marvel's ownership of Circuit Breaker by giving her some sort of sprog. I'd have suspected this was a joke of some sort if not for it reminding me I'd seen people talking about it on Twitter a few weeks ago. I'm still sort of hoping it's some sort of meme thing I've misunderstood as it's a truly horrible, shitty idea that's basically IDW not being happy enough to make money out of some one elses stories they don't own but to also try and sneak in the things that are copyrighted. It's not even as if Josie was a Furman creation anyway...

Denyer
2012-03-10, 12:16 PM
Editing may have missed that the book wasn't really The New Adventures of He-Man.

Being FCBD, it has to be filler, really -- distribution just isn't wide enough. Will check out the issue, but there's nothing in there so far stylistically that suggests that the maxi-series will be worth following.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-10, 02:33 PM
Editing may have missed that the book wasn't really The New Adventures of He-Man.

Funny and yet so plausible...

Cliffjumper
2012-03-10, 02:53 PM
"Circuit Smasher"

The really stupid, stupid thing is that the Neo-Knights in general and Josie in particular aren't needed. Josie's in a coma, which works out beautifully for everyone, especially the readers. If they're going 20 years down the line there's really no need to use them for anything; if they were going a month down the line a handwave about Jetfire (he will be in this, **** that he was sidelined in the Marvel stuff years before Underbase) having "returned our human allies to Earth to recuperate after their help on Klo". It's not like anyone started a war when Walter Barnett disappeared for no good reason.

If anyone wants to hear me say something positive about this thing, it's that the thread inspired me to check out Incredible Change-Bots, and it's brilliant. Very nice to see such a loving parody done in such a charming fashion, manages to be biting without sneering. Recommended.

Terome
2012-03-10, 03:36 PM
If anyone wants to hear me say something positive about this thing, it's that the thread inspired me to check out Incredible Change-Bots, and it's brilliant. Very nice to see such a loving parody done in such a charming fashion, manages to be biting without sneering. Recommended.

It's a wonderful piece of work. Whenever I think of the felt-tip colouring I get a great big grin.

The biggest accomplishment is that it hits all of the interesting points of Transformers as well as the silly and nonsensical stuff. The notes of melancholy and violence and tragedy is all in there too.

Editing may have missed that the book wasn't really The New Adventures of He-Man.

Circuit Smasher has both the Good and the Magic.

Grayfox
2012-03-13, 12:07 AM
Something someone heard on Rollout Rollcall:


(note: this is from memory, which is foggy and tired at the moment, so spare me if I got some stuff wrong. But as far as I can recall from the panel:

- There will be four story arcs.

-#85 will have a prominent and "irrevocable" death. Andrew's comment on Simon writing it: "He is sick, that boy."

-Geoff Senior will be supplying the alt cover for #81.

-#81, p. 2 has Kup looking up with Bludgeon dropping down on him on a swampy planet with lots of foliage. Although Bludgeon might not be all that he seems...

Original post: http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=279895#279895