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Grayfox
2012-01-09, 11:22 PM
A new ongoing series (1 of 2, in fact), that will send Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, Ratchet, Drift and many more across the galaxy in search of the Knights of Cybertron. Written by fan-favorite scribe James Roberts and art by Nick Roche & Alex Milne.

This is your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #1 reaction and discussion thread.

- ziggy

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Favorite line from the preview - Bumblebee to Ratchet, about Rodimus speech: "It's all scripted you know. Drift writes it for him".

Awesome.

Denyer
2012-01-09, 11:38 PM
Looks good. If the current almost total lack of listings on eBay is anything to go by, though, nobody's stocking... that and titling it "more than meets the eye" is a great way to get the book mixed up with old Dreamwave comics.

zigzagger
2012-01-10, 02:59 AM
Two additional pages @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1201/10/idwfirsts.htm).

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Nice.

Roberts seems to really get the characters. Though, this is a slightly new(er) take on his already great interpretation of Prowl. Looking forward to see where he goes with this.

Roche's work is highly expressive as usual (though, as to be expected, it doesn't seem to be going over as well on the big boards). Pity Milne's taking over after this, but if his work in Chaos Theory is anything to go by, I think I'll adjust.

inflatable dalek
2012-01-10, 09:16 AM
Looks good. If the current almost total lack of listings on eBay is anything to go by, though, nobody's stocking... that and titling it "more than meets the eye" is a great way to get the book mixed up with old Dreamwave comics.

Both titles are needlessly cumbersome and easy to mix up really. Indeed, up till this thread I thought it was RID that Rocharts/Rolne was going to be behind.

I do think it's a shame they seem to be carrying on the movie influenced Don designed look to the characters. Considering it was pretty much panned right from the first issue and that I've yet to see any artist say they enjoy drawing the movie look even when working on movie comics I do have to wonder why they haven't used this relaunch to visually refresh the books.

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-10, 12:12 PM
I'll be happy to see them settle on something consistent style wise. Dons stuff didnt look so bad... after AM started doing it though. Hope Milne doesnt go backwards with his art because I saw a cover of issue 2 with Hot rod and it looks gash. Like full-on Alex at his worst.

This is looking good so far. Streets ahead more interesting than the previous run. I do agree that the titling is terrible though for each series - More than Meets the Eye is really vague and Robots in Disguise doesnt seem apt anymore with the story moved back to cybertron.

I would have gone with Transformers:The Next Generation for the rodimus book and Transformers:Deep Space Cybertron for the other one myself. Maybe Prime could end up a million galaxies away for a third book entitled Transformers:Voyager (Prime). :p

zigzagger
2012-01-12, 04:46 AM
Densely written, stubborn attention to detail, loads of focus on second (and third) stringers. Yep, this is definitely a James Roberts book. There's a lot of set up here. A LOT. And, it does a great job, well, setting up a rather colorful cast.

I enjoyed it, though if I had to fault it for one thing, is that there's a lot more going on than this little ol' issue could contain, to the point where not everyone in this large cast is given the proper introductions they deserve.

Nonetheless, this book was really fun. Worth at least a peek to those, like me, who have been far from impressed by most of IDW's output over the last couple years. Be warned that it's set up, though.

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Notes 'n' stuff...

It's looking like we're getting quite the core cast here, so I'll start with the characters:

Rodimus -- Pretty much what Magnus thinks of him; impulsive and hotheaded. So, yeah, Rodimus is up to being his usual self, and as to be expected, he gets his crew into a mess of trouble.

Ultra Magnus -- He kind of reminds me of Furman's Prowl, but, you know, a little less prickish. He has the strict adherence to protocol and routine, but he's much more personable and actually has a sense of humor (a rather dry one at that). I think he'll make a perfect foil to Rodimus. I'm glad Magnus decided to tag along :)

Drift -- When did he climb up the ranks? At least, that's my impression. In Death of Optimus Prime he was present during 'High Command's' conferences, and here Drift seems to be Rodimus's right hand along with Ultra Magnus.

My guess? Errr...because he met Dai Atlas and his gang and thus his knowledge is invaluable to the mission? Eh, probably. Can't really complain how he's portrayed here, tempting as it is. He and Magnus make perfect straight men to Rodimus. Honestly, it kinda suits him.

Ratchet -- Okay, first things first; James Roberts is ****ing writing Ratchet!

...Ahem, all fangasms aside, it's a slightly different take on the character. Mind you, this is how I read it, but it's like Roberts took all the more positive aspects from the Prime, Bay-formers and Animated iterations of the character and merged them with G1 Ratchet. So, what we end up with is a still good-humored and adventurous Ratchet who is coming to terms with his 'age'. It's an interesting idea and I'm more than willing to give it a chance. I'm looking forward to seeing how Ratchet's personal quest plays out.

Rewind -- Mmm, my thoughts on him are pretty much the same as they were in the Death of Optimus Prime thread. Adorkable. Loved the banter between him and Chromedome - particularly when the latter is giving the former a hard time about his chosen alt form.

Chromedome -- Aside from his relationship Rewind, Chromedome didn't leave much of an impression. Not yet anyway. Goes back to my earlier concern with the book; there's just not enough room for everyone to be properly introduced. Still, it is kind of neat how all the non-Headmaster Headmasters are popping up again. Even Highbrow got a mention.

Cyclonus -- Ugh, finally someone remembers he's not a Decepticon. He's back to being the patriotic, internal-monologist that was introduced in his so-called 'Spotlight'. Which is fine, it was one of Furman's better works in my opinion (if you ignore that it's part of Revelation).

Cyclonus' initial deadpanned response to Whirl was priceless.

Tailgate -- Now here's a character I wasn't expecting to see. The poor thing. He won me over on sympathy alone...though, his smart-assed systems check probably played a part in that as well ("Preliminary damage report: You're an idiot." )

Prowl -- Getting dangerously close to crossing the line to villainy here. Assuming he's the one that sabotaged the ship. Though the more I think about it, I'm starting to doubt that was his doing. Like we're being thrown off, as there's plenty of other culprits to consider.

Other than that, I've already stated earlier in this thread (and a few times elsewhere) how I feel about Robert's Prowl.

Swerve -- He was introduced during Chaos wasn't he? Great (re)introduction either way.

Red Alert: "Name?"
Swerve: "Megatron. But you can call me...Death."

Rung -- Loved his narrations in the Last Stand of the Wreckers profiles. Nothing wrong with him, though can already see folks crying 'self-insertion character'. Eh, I guess he is, but at least he's a charming and well written self-insertion character. Didn't do much else for me to really make any other judgements. My guess; aside from playing the role of ship counselor, he'll be keeping an eye on Red Alert. Of course, I'm just going by the nature of their relationship and Robert's has been known telegraph these sorts of things.

Also, are we seeing the beginning of a running gag here? So far, every time Rung shows up, something unfortunate happens to him (eg. Chaos Theory).

Red Alert -- Again, not enough info to make a final judgment, but what I saw was great. I like snarky Red Alert. Snarky Red Alert is funny. Though, if I have one complaint, it's the new design. Aside from the color scheme, I'm not getting much of a 'Red Alert' vibe here, especially with the white sports visor.

Brainstorm -- Yep, he definitely sounds like someone who was stationed at the Kimia facility (read "Bullets" from the LSOTW TPB if you don't know what the hell I'm talking about). And he definitely sounds like someone who worked closely to Ironfist (the "Autopedia" reference, etc). It's a spot on Brainstorm, in my opinion.

Whirl -- He's a psychopath and he's creepy...And, he's an asshole. For anyone that knows anything about him, that more or less sums up Whirl. Have always been impartial to character to be honest. For me, it explains why he was absent from Last Stand of the Wreckers.

...Now explain Roadbuster and Broadside :p

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Ugh, that damn timeline. With all the 'soft reboots' the title has had to endure over the years, you'd think IDW would do away with this one. Now, it seems like they've made it absurdly longer.

(Bumblebee at Ratchet) - "It's all scripted, you know. Drift writes it for him." -- I could make some pun about how Shane McCarthy writes Rodimus' speeches. But that'd be too easy.

So...The Lost Light experiences a 'malfunction', flinging it halfway across the galaxy, along a path that promises to bring sorrow, death and an assortment of other surprises. Nah, this doesn't sound familiar at all (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HNtfu_QurU&feature=related) ;)

Terome
2012-01-12, 11:47 PM
I've been reading this all day. There's a lot going on and it's all very intriguing...

There's a very Red Dwarfy vibe throughout. Tailgate's six million year blackout is very reminiscent of it and Ultra Magnus' Terminator vision could be a gag lifted straight from Kryten. Not to mention the future echo at the end.

Not that any of that is at all a bad thing. Weirdly, the other big thing that I take a slightly worrying amount of interest in, Homestuck, also owes a huge amount to Red Dwarf, especially the novels.

Anyway, I'm sold. It'll be fun keeping track of the big cast and the mile-a-minute backstory that is building up. I'm as dismayed as anyone that the goofy 'four million year war' thing from the Ironhide series is being stuck with, but I'm sure I'll get over it. Maybe Cybertron has a weird calender on account of its orbit around three stars?

StarscreamX
2012-01-13, 04:23 AM
Bloody beautiful and such a breath of fresh air after the last few years of terrible Transformers comics. Just like Last Stand of the Wreckers this series takes a group of characters who are a mix of old favourites and guys who have never had any real personality before and instantly makes me fall in love with them all

Ultra Magnus is a joy here. He gets the best line of the issue during the "crooked badge" bit with him and Rodimus. I had a hard time reading it without imagining Rodimus being voiced by Craig Charles and Ultra Magnus being voiced by Chris Barrie :love:

Chromedome and Rewind are an adorable pair already and I loved the bit about alt modes and Rewind "Archiving"

Cyclonus finally being written as the interesting new take on the character Furman presented in his Spotlight which was then promptly abandoned in order to make him the bloke out of the cartoon who Galvatron occasionally thumps is a very welcome change and he had some great scenes here. Whirl was a nice addition as well and his increasing damaged mental state makes me think that Rodimus is really going to wish he'd left him back on Cybertron

Brainstorm is wonderful. What DOES he keep in that briefcase of his? I think he's bluffing and it's his private stock of energon goodies and he just doesn't want to share. So he scares people off with all this talk about doomsday weapons. The big fibber

And Swerve I'm in love with this guy already after just a couple of bits of dialogue.

zigzagger
2012-01-13, 07:29 AM
Yeah, the Magnus-O-Vision was great, wasn't it?

At some point, I'd like to have an issue (or subplot, at least) told mostly through Ultra Magnus' POV. At a glance, it seems to have been well-received throughout the interwebs. I think it's almost expected at this point.

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-17, 03:25 PM
Damn it, this was near the perfect start. The art is fab, I think Roches finest stuff yet and Burchams colourings suit it so well. Very disappointing that Roche wont be available for the rest of the ongoing but hopefully Milne will be able to keep his recent form and produce some good work (the cover for issue 2 would indicate not)

The writing is typical roberts - He's kinda like the Joss Whedon of transformers. Snappy dialogue, nearly always a bit of underlying wit and lots of stuff going on. Really, its a great start for this book. The cliffhanger at the end also gets the old curiosity flowing. Hopeful IDW dont implode and reboot before all those threads are tied up.

Over to Barbar next who I really think has a much harder prospect ahead. Transformers a-la star trek? Roberts was always going to nail that one.

As for the autobot who shows up in issue 2? I have a feeling it jsut may be the now-insane Grimlock. He did come up in LSOTW so maybe this is where he ends up

StarscreamX
2012-01-22, 07:03 PM
Damn it, this was near the perfect start. The art is fab, I think Roches finest stuff yet and Burchams colourings suit it so well. Very disappointing that Roche wont be available for the rest of the ongoing but hopefully Milne will be able to keep his recent form and produce some good work (the cover for issue 2 would indicate not)

The writing is typical roberts - He's kinda like the Joss Whedon of transformers. Snappy dialogue, nearly always a bit of underlying wit and lots of stuff going on. Really, its a great start for this book. The cliffhanger at the end also gets the old curiosity flowing. Hopeful IDW dont implode and reboot before all those threads are tied up.

Over to Barbar next who I really think has a much harder prospect ahead. Transformers a-la star trek? Roberts was always going to nail that one.

As for the autobot who shows up in issue 2? I have a feeling it jsut may be the now-insane Grimlock. He did come up in LSOTW so maybe this is where he ends up

I think the Autobot who's going to be returning is Skids based on the solicits but issue four mentions another character thought lost may be returning so that could well be Grimlock. Though as it's set on Delphi, the Wrecker's old base, I'm thinking it's going to be one of the Wreckers who's status is unknown right now, Impactor, Guzzle or RacknRuin

Yeah, the Magnus-O-Vision was great, wasn't it?

At some point, I'd like to have an issue (or subplot, at least) told mostly through Ultra Magnus' POV. At a glance, it seems to have been well-received throughout the interwebs. I think it's almost expected at this point.

I'd love to know what his Magnus-O-Vision makes of nutters like Whirl or guys like Brainstorm with his history of creating bizarre and horrible weapons

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-22, 08:40 PM
A minor worry is that with Alex taking over, some of the more visual humour that you get with Nicks work may not come across as well (or at all)

I really like the bit where Tailgate is crawling along and keeps passing out. It's very funny visually and I just cant imagine Milne carry it off. Hope I'm wrong because the sly humour that roberts (and roche) brought to DOOP (!!) and LSOTW really added to the character of both stories.

zigzagger
2012-01-23, 06:43 AM
So, none of our other resident Roberts fans have picked this up?

I think the Autobot who's going to be returning is Skids

Oh, that's right! I completely spaced that.

I'm all for a little love being tossed in his direction. Still, just for once, it'd be nice that the poor guy wasn't made out to be the punching bag of the universe. Though, I suppose _____'s bad luck more or less defines him as character. Unintentionally so, but still...

A minor worry is that with Alex taking over, some of the more visual humour that you get with Nicks work may not come across as well (or at all)

I really like the bit where Tailgate is crawling along and keeps passing out. It's very funny visually and I just cant imagine Milne carry it off. Hope I'm wrong because the sly humour that roberts (and roche) brought to DOOP (!!) and LSOTW really added to the character of both stories.

Was thinking that too, right after I made my comment about it. While I will admit Milne has greatly improved, at least recently, he still needs to expand his range of emotions -- you know, outside of shock and...errr, smug satisfaction?

inflatable dalek
2012-01-28, 12:46 PM
Ah, James Roberts. How I want to perform some sort of insane mad scientist experiment on you to turn you into a woman so we can have lots of crazy looking babies.

If Death of Optimus Prime was underwhelming, this was about as perfect an issue one as could be hopped for. Whilst the Autobots who are staying behind are still far too jerky to make RID appealing here Rodimus and company are suddenly fun. Ultra Magnus, Swerve, Tailgate, Rewind (ah, what was he buying?) are all awesome and set up well. And Whirl is a magnificent crazy bastard.

The only downside is, long term plots are set up. Have IDW not learnt this is a really bad idea? I don't expect any satisfactory pay off to anything said in that message at the end. And that's a shame.

General thoughts:

I'm expecting a twist where the explosion wasn't Prowl's doing but just an accident due to premature launching. Mind, Prowl is part of the "Everyone is a cock" book so maybe that's optimistic.

Another possibility for the "Thought dead" Transformer: Scourge. He warrants a few mentions, is important to Cyclonus and it's very firmly established he's considered gone.

I was expecting there to be a pay off to Prowl's speech where it turned out he gave that "You're the only indispensable one" speech to everyone. Unless that pay off is in the other book?

All in all, if not for it being part of the IDW Universe I would literally be dry humping this comic like a demented dog. As it is though: Cautiously optimistic.

EDIT: Oh, but any in-fiction use of rubsigns is and always will be crap.

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-28, 03:08 PM
Interesting idea on Scourge. It would be nice to have him show up as he was the original sweep - I imagine there is potential there for some good character issues.

The only downside is, long term plots are set up. Have IDW not learnt this is a really bad idea? I don't expect any satisfactory pay off to anything said in that message at the end. And that's a shame.

See, the thing is that I hope IDW will have learned from Furman is that not everything needs to be set up and then finished at the same time. I'm hopeful that Roberts has made notes on all the plot ideas he has set up but isnt rushed to tie them all up within the next 6 months. Hell, if the comic is decent some of these issues can be ongoing for ages before we get a payoff. Many a book or tv show manager to do the long set-up on some plot points. And another note to IDW is that not everything has to be "The next big bad" type of plot. It helps if some stuff is simply dealt with in one or two issues.

The main thing is that if (when?) IDW decide to change direction they hold steady on any ground work laid and dont just ignore it all. The writer may change but the reader hopefully doesnt.

Warcry
2012-01-28, 07:06 PM
Whilst the Autobots who are staying behind are still far too jerky to make RID appealing here Rodimus and company are suddenly fun.
I told you so. ;)

The only downside is, long term plots are set up. Have IDW not learnt this is a really bad idea? I don't expect any satisfactory pay off to anything said in that message at the end. And that's a shame.
Actually, I'm of the mind that we'll see most of these ideas take shape in fairly short order. Roberts' resume is filled with stories that move at lightning speed, and I expect this one to be much the same.

We already know from solicits that Skids will be showing up in the next issue or two.

And we already know Delphi from Bullets -- it's the Autobot medical centre, and a perfectly logical destination for an Autobot ship that just took serious damage and casualties...as well as for an Autobot medic who is looking for his replacement (fingers crossed for First Aid, I'd really like to see him get some development). I wouldn't be surprised at all if they arrived there within the first trade's worth of material.

A part of me is leery about this book being an ongoing, though. The foreshadowing tells me that Roberts seems to have the general thrust of the story in mind, and there are only so many ways the crew can be diverted from their quest without it being repetitive. It seems like the sort of story that really should run for a set amount of time (whether that be twelve issues or thirty) and then end organically when they find what they're looking for. I just hope that IDW have the wits to end the story properly when the time comes and then move on to something else.

I was expecting there to be a pay off to Prowl's speech where it turned out he gave that "You're the only indispensable one" speech to everyone. Unless that pay off is in the other book?
When I read that, I honestly wondered just how many people Prowl had given that little speech to...and how many of them he'd convinced to stay.

All in all, if not for it being part of the IDW Universe I would literally be dry humping this comic like a demented dog. As it is though: Cautiously optimistic.
Same here. I want to like it, but at the same time I'm still operating under the assumption that IDW will ruin it somehow. Don't want to get my hopes up too high.

But my biggest reaction was this: much like Wreckers, Roberts' use of characters here both pleases and enrages me. If you'd told me last year that we'd see an ongoing series starring Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, Drift, Tailgate, Whirl, Cyclonus, Rung, Red Alert, Ratchet, Swerve, Chromedome and Rewind I would have laughed at you. And yet here we are, and in the space of one issue he's made every one of them a unique character that you can understand (if not in fact like). Whirl especially is a revelation...I'd always seen his particular type of crazy as the wacky, funloving daredevil sort and until James Roberts started to use him I had no idea just how wildly dangerous he could be.

There's not a bad character in the bunch and I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what he does with all of them.

But the flip-side of that coin is the deaths. Just like Wreckers, where the fall of Garrus-9 left a whole list of minor characters presumably dead, this series starts off by slaughtering a good half-dozen Autobots. This time we can say goodbye to Fizzle, Sureshot, Siren, Rollout, and Rad (probably not Waverider, since he's got an invincible Pretender shell...). And what for? Did anyone among them even have lines? Did they do anything in the IDW universe that will make us care that they're gone? Or did Roberts just pick some names out of a hat in the hopes that people will care more about them than the handful of generics he tossed out?

But the thing is...I don't give a **** about IDW Sureshot (for example), and killing him off in the hopes that I'll care because I liked Marvel Sureshot or had the toy as a kid is a cheap trick. If Roberts wanted to kill someone off for shock value, he should have had the balls to throw Ultra Magnus or Ratchet out that hull breach. Kill off someone who's gotten screen-time and development, and I'll care about it. But killing off Sureshot when he hasn't even had a chance to do something yet doesn't carry any emotional impact at all, other than mild annoyance that future writers won't get the chance to make him into a character that I might care about later.

When Mike Costa does something like this I just shake my head in disgust, but when Roberts does it it gets under my skin a whole lot more. Because if anyone should know what a waste it is to kill off a character before anyone's had a chance to make something of them, it's him. Think about how much depth would Wreckers have lost if Furman had randomly killed off Pyro in a Spotlight, or if McCarthy had decided to bump off Topspin and Twin Twist in the background of one of the fight scenes in AHM. Then ask yourself, what great stories might James Roberts have just nipped in the bud by melting down Fizzle and Rollout? Maybe they never would have been used...but we'll never know, will we?

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-28, 11:26 PM
Then ask yourself, what great stories might James Roberts have just nipped in the bud by melting down Fizzle and Rollout? Maybe they never would have been used...but we'll never know, will we?

Yeah, but to be fair - there are only so many characters you can have. I realise that this could mean a potential great character or story is thrown out before they had a chance but I get the feeling that if a writer had a great idea for a character arc and realised that the character they had in mind was gone, they could still adapt it for another character. If we take LSOTW for example, wasnt the part of overlord originally going to be Scorponok? And things worked out better because of it.

Besides, if things go well, roberts will be on this book for a while. In this case, if he was willing to kill off a character so easily, he was never going to be pushed to write for them.

As a last note, the autobots who fall out of the ship could still return. There's certainly nothing to stop them being found in the same manner as Blaster in his spotlight.

Warcry
2012-01-29, 02:46 AM
Yeah, but to be fair - there are only so many characters you can have. I realise that this could mean a potential great character or story is thrown out before they had a chance but I get the feeling that if a writer had a great idea for a character arc and realised that the character they had in mind was gone, they could still adapt it for another character. If we take LSOTW for example, wasnt the part of overlord originally going to be Scorponok? And things worked out better because of it.
Sometimes yes. But to use your LSOTW example, there aren't many people other than Pyro who could have carried off his arc because it was based pretty strongly on how he looked. The same goes for Topspin and Twin Twist. Maybe you could substitute Fastlane and Cloudraker, but then it's not the same story because they'd be new recruits instead of guys that Springer's known for years.

Sometimes stories are very unique to the characters they're written for.

Besides, if things go well, roberts will be on this book for a while. In this case, if he was willing to kill off a character so easily, he was never going to be pushed to write for them.
Four years ago people would have said the same thing, except substituting 'Furman' instead of 'Roberts'. Things can change very quickly.

James Roberts isn't the sole arbiter of a character's value to the Transformers franchise. He's a good writer and I like what he's done with the characters that he's set his sights on, but I wish he wasn't so casual about stamping out the ones that he hasn't. It would be a shame if a later writer saw something in Siren or Rad that called out for exploration but he couldn't do anything with him because he's nothing but ashes scattered through the atmosphere of some alien planet.

As a last note, the autobots who fall out of the ship could still return. There's certainly nothing to stop them being found in the same manner as Blaster in his spotlight.
Not without really, really straining credulity. They weren't just lost in space, after all. They were dumped into an atmosphere and we saw them burn up. There are a lot of 'deaths' that a robot could come back from, but this one's pretty definitive. Unless you're as tough as G2 Megatron, that's not something you're surviving.

Maybe they'll be able to recover some parts for repairs next issue, but I'd be surprised. The tone of this issue made their fates pretty cut and dried.

zigzagger
2012-01-29, 03:51 AM
I consider myself also of the "cautiously optimistic" camp. Though, I'll admit, I'm probably being a bit more generous than most of you.

This book feels safe to me because - and this may sound harsh - it reads like a limited or maxi-series, even if it's not slated as one.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, the way I see it...assuming there's no executive meddling along the way (yeah, yeah, I know -- be quiet :(). I'm fine with the prospect of a series that has a planned beginning, middle and end. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that was the plan from the get go, I'm just saying I'm not adverse to the idea.

Another reason I think this reads like a maxi-series, is - again, this may sound harsh - that compared to RiD, that has a much more familiar cast and therefore (potentially) has a broader appeal, MTMTE is written by the fan-favorite writer and has a cast of some well-knowns (Magnus, Rodimus and Ratchet), a few unknowns (Drift and Rung) and a lot of second stringers (Skids, Tailgate, Swerve, etc, etc). The book reads like it's targeted more towards the fans, in the same way Last Stand of the Wreckers was, rather than it being yet another attempt to reach out to a few new readers.


When I read that, I honestly wondered just how many people Prowl had given that little speech to...and how many of them he'd convinced to stay.

My impression was quite a few people, judging by his reaction. Seeing Prowl just...snap like that is such an uncharacteristic thing for him to do. Regardless of who's writing him, Prowl's generally composed and doesn't display much emotion aside from the occasional I'm-plotting-to-destroy-you smirk.

I really liked that moment, actually, even if seems kinda bratty of him. Adds a little extra dimension to Prowl, which I'm all for :)

But to use your LSOTW example, there aren't many people other than Pyro who could have carried off his arc because it was based pretty strongly on how he looked.G2 Sureshot? ;)

This time we can say goodbye to Fizzle, Sureshot, Siren, Rollout, and Rad (probably not Waverider, since he's got an invincible Pretender shell...). And what for?

<snippity snip>

Not without really, really straining credulity. They weren't just lost in space, after all. They were dumped into an atmosphere and we saw them burn up. There are a lot of 'deaths' that a robot could come back from, but this one's pretty definitive. Unless you're as tough as G2 Megatron, that's not something you're surviving.
Actually....

Rumor has it Siren will survive. Though, this claim is based solely on Milne's sketch work for this series. Along with a character model for Trailbreaker - who we know will be in the series going by the solicit for the third issue - he also posted one for Siren at his Deviant Art page:

http://markerguru.deviantart.com/art/MTMTE-Siren-design-278134359

As you say, though, it does strain credulity. Maybe he's the sole survivor of this accident (?????).

That could be a good or bad thing. Good because, going by the character's brief history in IDW (he appeared in Spotlight: Kup), knowing he survived when others didn't, can lead to all sorts of nifty story and character possibilities. Bad because...well, a bunch of named characters that we didn't get a chance to meet were killed off for the sake of drama.

To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure where I stand on this. Plus, the whole Siren thing may as well be a fluke, and I just got your hopes for nothing.

Sorry :(

(EDIT: Sigh, seriously? Why are links still visible though spoiler tags. Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?)

Warcry
2012-01-29, 06:24 AM
Another reason I think this reads like a maxi-series, is - again, this may sound harsh - that compared to RiD, that has a much more familiar cast and therefore (potentially) has a broader appeal, MTMTE is written by the fan-favorite writer and has a cast of some well-knowns (Magnus, Rodimus and Ratchet), a few unknowns (Drift and Rung) and a lot of second stringers (Skids, Tailgate, Swerve, etc, etc). The book reads like it's targeted more towards the fans, in the same way Last Stand of the Wreckers was, rather than it being yet another attempt to reach out to a few new readers.
I'm actually not sure I agree with that. Neither book has Optimus, Megatron or MovieBee in it, so from a non-fan's perspective they're probably on pretty equal footing.

And honestly, judging by their respective first issues if I was going to pick one series to recommend to a non-fan friend who wanted to read more about Transformers I would probably pick the Rodimus one. Transformers: Star Trek is going to be a lot more relatable to the average person than Transformers: Autobot Third Reich.

My impression was quite a few people, judging by his reaction. Seeing Prowl just...snap like that is such an uncharacteristic thing for him to do. Regardless of who's writing him, Prowl's generally composed and doesn't display much emotion aside from the occasional I'm-plotting-to-destroy-you smirk.

I really liked that moment, actually, even if seems kinda bratty of him. Adds a little extra dimension to Prowl, which I'm all for :)
I really liked that too. My mental image of Prowl is him seething with rage at Grimlock in issue 77 of the old Marvel book, so I was glad to see that someone could get a reaction out of him if he was pushed too far. It makes him a lot more interesting than if he was an unflappable Grand Admiral Thrawn type who always knew what was going to happen and had a contingency plan for everything.

G2 Sureshot? ;)
I wondered who'd bring that up. ;)

I think you could safely rule out Sureshot and Ginrai, though. Comics being a visual medium I'd be really surprised if they ever used a character that looked that much like Optimus Prime. That genuinely would be confusing for new readers, especially if the real Prime is going to keep wandering around calling himself Orion Pax.

Actually....
Depending on how they handle it, honestly it might just end up pissing me off more. If it's just Siren who survives, even if they handle it well you still wonder why so many others got killed off for no reason. And if all the named characters magically survive then...well, then Roberts loses a lot of credibility as a writer in my eyes.

Also: Alex Milne is pretty much the Jose Delbo of modern TF comics, isn't he? I'm not the biggest fan of Roche's style, but comparing Milne's art to his Milne's comes off looking completely flat and soulless.

(EDIT: Sigh, seriously? Why are links still visible though spoiler tags. Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?)
I've noticed that too, from time to time. It's probably a CSS conflict. If I remember right the spoiler feature was something Denyer hacked together over a lunch break five years ago, so we can't expect it to be perfect.

zigzagger
2012-01-29, 07:26 AM
I'm actually not sure I agree with that. Neither book has Optimus, Megatron or MovieBee in it, so from a non-fan's perspective they're probably on pretty equal footing.


Should've specified. Was thinking more along the lines of those who are a little bit more familiar with the property (the hypothetical casual audience that IDW is desperate to gain, I'm sorry to say, I don't think really exists anymore). Like, those who are familiar with the 80's cartoon or toyline, but have never read a Transformers comic.

I know I would still pick up the Rodimus book over the other because of the diverse cast, but, as I said elsewhere, I can still see the more 84-85 centric cast appealing to a lot of people. At least enough to draw them in; whether or not they'll stay after reading it is a different matter*.

I very much could be wrong, that just seems to be my impression.

* - Mind, I haven't read RiD yet myself, but after reading somewhere
that Bumblebee allegedly sets off a deterrence chip in Horri-Bull's head to prove a point, I gotta say...that's a bit unsettling.

I think you could safely rule out Sureshot and Ginrai, though.Of course. I was just making an RPG-related quip.

Denyer
2012-01-29, 05:03 PM
Sigh, seriously? Why are links still visible though spoiler tags. Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?
Nobody's every mentioned it; links are concatenated anyway; it's only relevant with sites practising SEO techniques (although this is more common these days); it's generally considered bad form to have non-visible elements do things if people click on them by mistake, which is more likely when people are selecting text, and links should be differentiated somehow; images such as smilies aren't covered.

I've included links in the definition (only tested in Chrome) but if it causes problems for anyone will take them out. Could consider doing spoiler tags as javascript hide/show if we can guarantee it works well enough for different devices. Nobody's said anything about the "select to reveal" technique on tablets/phones/etc, and I haven't tried mine for browsing much because it's a cheap POS. Next time it gets switched on will do.

On-topic, great book, not too worried about Roberts sowing seeds as I expect the major ones to pay off relatively soon and in any case he's capable of putting together a hurriedly shortened ending that's satisfying better than some other writers.

The OneShallStand offer on RI covers and the first issue being a gatefold is a nice little perk for buying the singles, too.

inflatable dalek
2012-01-29, 09:01 PM
I can see Warcry's point on the deaths, even if it didn't occur to me at the time, mainly because of the way death work in comics in general, I just didn't take it seriously. If Siren at least is back next issue, perhaps that was something else burning up in the atmosphere? Or they survive but really badly mangled like G2 Megs in that issue where he hit earth with a bump.

Assuming for a second they are all dead, and that there is a good reason for it beyond cheap shock value (probably to emphasise this is a book that'll have serious consequences rather than being all fun, and to give Rodimus a bit of a angst to work with) Roberts pretty much had three options over who to pick, none of which are entirely satisfactory:

1: Kill a bunch of made up generics. Which would have people derriding him of not having the guts to kill anyone we've heard of, and risk Spotlight: Hot Rod syndrome.

2: Do a Joss Whedon and kill off someone set up as a major character. Which, if it were Magnus say would result in people expecting him back any second and an already loaded first issue having to devote time to establish a character who isn't going to play any part for the rest of the series.

3: As he did do, which has the problem Warcry pointed out.

I'm, not sure what the best solution is. Though considering he's a Marvel fanboy I'd be amazed if Siren stayed dead (hey, maybe the long thought dead guy is Nightbeat? I could see Roberts bring him back at some point).

I'd agree the format of the book lends itself more to a limited run, but I suppose that's the advantage of the incredibly generic title, it can go on to be about anything after the initial mission is over.

My guess on how it'll end: The Knights of Cybertron will turn out to be a total myth, but through their adventures in the Galaxy Rodimus and company will go on to become legends themselves and become known as the New Knights or somesuch. A bit obvious perhaps?

As for RID, I'd hope the Autobots are being portrayed as such jerks because the arc of the series is them learning the error of their ways (though them being firm with the Decepticons isn't so much a problem, it's the civilians and each other). Though the problem there is it's been done, Furman's stuff was obviously set up to have them go through a similar arc even if it never reached it, and Shane McCarthy was obsessed with pointing out the Autobots need to be excellent to one another. How many times can they learn the lesson?

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-29, 09:35 PM
I think more than meets the eye has plenty of potential to be an ongoing beyond a set conclusion. Even after they discover the truth/ lies behind the knights, they can keep exploring. It could be interesting seeing an adapting species move from planet to planet. I think also, MTMTE is as much about its core characters as any plot. Here's a chance to have a core group of individuals with the odd rotation in of someone different to keep things fresh.

RID I imagine will be the one to go back to the default series. If I was a betting fanboy, I'd imagine that at some point the autobots and the nails will unite against the Cons only for Megatron to return which prompts the call out to mr. Orion Pax, thereby bringing everything back to status quo.

zigzagger
2012-01-29, 11:16 PM
Nobody's every mentioned it; links are concatenated anyway....

Didn't realize until re-reading it how snappy that may have sounded. Sorry about that.

And, also, thank you for fixing it. The only reason why I was grumbling about it earlier was because I originally had the link spelling out exactly what it was (i.e. "_______'s character model").

Denyer
2012-01-30, 10:23 PM
Or they survive but really badly mangled like G2 Megs in that issue where he hit earth with a bump.
Yeah, nothing wrong with pushing the "virtually indestructible" angle and putting the cast through hell. Assuming Hasbro will let it past.

Summerhayes
2012-02-09, 09:35 AM
Well that was actually an amazing read. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing this one through. Here's hoping!
I think Roberts will pay off on a lot and get them where they're going pretty quick but there are a milllion reasons the story could go on after finding the Knights (or otherwise).
Personally, I'm of a mind that a lot of those 'bots will survive entering the atmosphere.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-09, 02:40 PM
Thing is, although they are burning up on re-entry that doesn't mean they are destroyed. Hot Rod himself came down through a meteor shower in his spotlight and overall IDW has shown the transformers to be very hard to kill. Hell, the NASA space shuttle hits massive temps on re-entry and it survives.

I'm more of the idea that we got some name bots thrown out there so there can be interaction further down the line. They provide another storyline option if needed.

zigzagger
2012-02-11, 03:49 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #2 reaction and discussion thread.

Out February 15.

Preview @ Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11442). Expect some spoilers.

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Also out this week, the 2nd printing of More than Meets the Eye #1 in case you missed it the first time around.

Preview (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1201/10/idwfirsts.htm) @ Comics Continuum.

zigzagger
2012-02-11, 04:18 AM
One thing I think MTMTE has got going for it is the overall tone. It's interesting -- it manages to find comedy in what should be a pretty dire situation.

Mmm, and Milne's work continues to improve. That's good. Nothing looks cluttered, at any rate.

Warcry
2012-02-11, 06:00 AM
Wait, I'm confused.

Transformers that were set on fire, fell hundreds of kilometres into a gravity well and slammed into the planet's surface at terminal velocity in the last issue turn out to survive without much more than a couple dents and dings to show for it? On a planet that's covered in giant craters that blatantly illustrate just how much force they would have been slamming down with? That's some Furman-level put-characters-in-danger-but-not-really gymnastics right there. Since he made a point of rejecting antics like that at the end of Eugenesis, I expected better of Roberts.

I'm disappointed but not surprised that Prowl wasn't responsible for blowing up the ship. I wish they'd gone through with it but I can see why (given the other ongoing has Prowl as a lead) they only used it as a red herring. It's totally ridiculous that a vital component that can disastrously fail simply by someone walking past at the right time is just left standing in the middle of a room though, though, isn't it? Unless there's more to it than that, it's hard not to say that that's lazy writing.

Milne's art is very nice, though. And I agree with ziggy that Roberts has a flare for finding humour in the most unlikely places.

zigzagger
2012-02-11, 06:21 AM
Wait, I'm confused.

Transformers that were set on fire, fell hundreds of kilometres into a gravity well and slammed into the planet's surface at terminal velocity in the last issue turn out to survive without much more than a couple dents and dings to show for it? On a planet that's covered in giant craters that blatantly illustrate just how much force they would have been slamming down with? That's some Furman-level put-characters-in-danger-but-not-really gymnastics right there. Since he made a point of rejecting antics like that at the end of Eugenesis, I expected better of Roberts.

Erm...maybe IDW caved in? From what I gathered, you're certainly not the only one who's pointed that out. Personally, I didn't take too much issue with it, but it is a legitimate complaint.

Either way I can't say I'm all that surprised, to be honest. :|

Honestly, I'm not all that surprised that was the fate of
I'm disappointed but not surprised that Prowl wasn't responsible for blowing up the ship. I wish they'd gone through with it but I can see why (given the other ongoing has Prowl as a lead) they only used it as a red herring. It's totally ridiculous that a vital component that can disastrously fail simply by someone walking past at the right time is just left standing in the middle of a room though, though, isn't it? Unless there's more to it than that, it's hard not to say that that's lazy writing.Mmm, I think it's another red herring. There's too many other culprits to consider. I don't think it's the last we'll see or hear of this plot thread.

Though, I would be disappointed if that's all that it was; that it was a 'Duobot' being in the wrong place.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-12, 10:12 AM
Regards the art all I can say is Wow! Its not the best art ever but AM is really getting good at merging his style to fit with others. If he sticks to this standard I think the book will have a great look overall.

PLot wise, again it looks like we have lots of things going on. Which I like lots.

One thing I dont get though...
Why is everyone hating on the falling autobots surviving? In the previous issue Rodimus clearly states that he is going to rescue everyone, so it seems fair enough that he was going to save at least a few. Also as I said in a previous thread, the nasa space shuttle can survive re-entry, so why not a transformer? Rodimus did in his spotlight and quite a few like cyclonus are capable of space travel so its not that big a surprise. Sure, the robots will be damaged but to expect them to burn up seemed more a stretch on the part of some of the readers than the writer dropping the ball.

Blackjack
2012-02-12, 02:11 PM
SKIDS YAY

Denyer
2012-02-12, 05:43 PM
the nasa space shuttle can survive re-entry, so why not a transformer? Rodimus did in his spotlight and quite a few like cyclonus are capable of space travel so its not that big a surprise. Sure, the robots will be damaged but to expect them to burn up seemed more a stretch
This.

I'm not sure I like the way Ratchet's being set up as a codger on the brink of spark burn-out, when he's been essentially fine in this continuity (as far as I know) until now. It feels like too much of an import from Animated.

Warcry
2012-02-12, 05:46 PM
One thing I dont get though...
Why is everyone hating on the falling autobots surviving? In the previous issue Rodimus clearly states that he is going to rescue everyone, so it seems fair enough that he was going to save at least a few. Also as I said in a previous thread, the nasa space shuttle can survive re-entry, so why not a transformer? Rodimus did in his spotlight and quite a few like cyclonus are capable of space travel so its not that big a surprise. Sure, the robots will be damaged but to expect them to burn up seemed more a stretch on the part of some of the readers than the writer dropping the ball.


It's not a stretch -- Ultra Magnus specifically said that they were burning up in the atmosphere, and we saw them doing just that. And then...they didn't. They're only slightly dented when Rodimus and Magnus rescue them, and their paint isn't even burned off. So what was 'burning up' last issue, exactly?

If he'd left out that line, the Transformers' survival wouldn't be a problem because we didn't know how strong this planet's gravity was or if it had an atmosphere at all. But once he says that this is what's happening, it's tough for me to ignore the fact that it just didn't happen. What was the point of even saying it, other than cheap drama, if you weren't willing to go through with it?

The only conclusion I can reach is that Roberts just doesn't know atmospheric reentry actually works, because I can't see him just deciding that Transformers are practically invincible. And make no mistake, if they're tough enough to survive the heat of reentry and a terminal-velocity impact with a planet's surface then not a single one of the weapons we've seen used in the comics so far would even be able to scratch them. It's just physics.

Also, there's a very, very big difference between controlled spaceflight and freefall. To use your space shuttle example, reentry needs to happen at a very precise angle. If they come in too steep, the shuttle will burn up. It's also covered in heat-shielding and that shielding breaking down is what caused the Columbia disaster.

Rodimus rode down on a comet to shield himself from most of the heat and then using a special force field to protect himself from the crash. Cyclonus would fly into the atmosphere at the right angle if he'd been approaching in alt-mode. Those are luxuries that the falling Autobots didn't have.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-12, 09:58 PM
I get that the physics dont add up completely. I just dont see it as being that big a stretch or deal. For all we know the transformers who fell were able to control their descent (some most have had flight-capable forms) or able to deploy emergency forcefields. Maybe some larger bots shielded other smaller ones. Its not unreasonable to expect Transformers to have some safety precautions for space flight.

To quote Joss Whedon - Sometimes the overall story is more important than the details. Maybe Roberts doesnt understand re-entry to a planet. Or maybe he just doesnt see it as massively important.

Seeing as we are dealing with a fictional world where machines can change shape and size it seems a minor point to get hung up on. For me, these kind of things only bother me when the rest of the story isnt grabbing me. I can forgive Roberts these odd tech mistakes much like I forgave Star Trek TNG when I was younger. Massive plot holes and inconsistent characters? That would annoy me a lot more

Warcry
2012-02-12, 10:35 PM
I'd be happy to overlook it too, if the author himself hadn't drawn attention to it for no apparent reason. The overall story might be more important than the details, but it's hard to focus on the overall story when one of the details drags you right out of it and makes you facepalm.

Again, I have no problem with anyone surviving planetfall. I do have a problem with them surviving unscathed when the previous issue showed them freefalling while on fire and this issue showed a planetscape covered in giant impact craters that illustrate just how much force they would have hit the ground with.

Suspension of disbelief falls apart when the author actively reminds you how impossible the situation is. That's just sloppy writing.

Terome
2012-02-12, 11:10 PM
Spoiler tags? Spoiler tags.

I'm okay with the survivable re-entry on the grounds that we have no idea what the atmosphere of that planet is made of, how thick it is, what the gravity is and so on and so forth.

What I do have a problem with is an 'easter-egg' like those shuttle-bots' utterance of '1984' dropping with a leaden thud. Yikes.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-12, 11:23 PM
@ Warcry - Still don't see the problem, but agree to disagree?

@ Terome Yeah, that all went a bit over the top with the spoiler tags alright

zigzagger
2012-02-13, 12:17 AM
Yeah, that all went a bit over the top with the spoiler tags alright

True. If you read the preview, chances are you now know something bad happened in the previous issue.

Denyer
2012-02-13, 12:33 AM
surviving unscathed
I suspect there may been a bit of a breakdown in comms on the graphics side, but as things stand we don't have a clear picture of how much or how many.

edit: Personally, I'm not seeing much point in the tags for events either in #1 or the #2 preview. It'd be better to just link to the #1 preview so people just noticing MTMTE could start there.

Warcry
2012-02-13, 03:38 AM
@ Warcry - Still don't see the problem, but agree to disagree?
:up:

True. If you read the preview, chances are you now know something bad happened in the previous issue.
Eh...I used spoilers to start with because it was the second reply in the thread and I didn't want to accidentally spoil the preview for before they had a chance to click on the link. Not much point continuing that twenty posts on, though. :)

I suspect there may been a bit of a breakdown in comms on the graphics side, but as things stand we don't have a clear picture of how much or how many.
Fair chance of that as well, now that you mention it. Milne in particular does have a nack for 'improving' on what's actually in the script.

Terome
2012-02-13, 12:09 PM
This.

I'm not sure I like the way Ratchet's being set up as a codger on the brink of spark burn-out, when he's been essentially fine in this continuity (as far as I know) until now. It feels like too much of an import from Animated.

It's definitely a lift from Animated/Prime, but it's a welcome one in my opinion. Ratchet was a very bland character in previous issues. Being conscious of his age at least gives him a second dimension.

I really hope Roberts gets into what makes one Transformer older than another one. According to Spotlight: Kup, it seems to only be a matter of psychology and not keeping a regular upgrade cycle. Optimus seems to be chronologically older than established senescence-reachers like Ironhide and Kup but quite possibly has a team of guys keeping his body parts on the cutting edge. And just how are they born? Does some sort of ancient factory run them off in batches? That constructed cold / forged hint from earlier is too juicy not to qualify.

I'm a biologist, see. This stuff worries me.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-13, 08:39 PM
Well, I told y'all they weren't dead. I wonder if Roberts was directly inspired by Megatron's planetfall in G2 with that? Though there he was appropriately battered up. Haven' read the preview so I don't know how well it comes across, but hopefully in the full issue it'll work.

As for Ratchet, when was the last time he got any major character focus? Escalation (as of course, there have been no TF comics for the last three years)? Enough time for the slow descent to kick in.

zigzagger
2012-02-15, 05:31 PM
Good stuff. Real funny, too. It's more set-up, which may put some folks off, but I'd say the series is starting to hit its stride.

The majority of the book is spent delving a little bit deeper into the characters we met in the previous issue, while the segments featuring new-comer Skids serve to action it up a bit.

I came out of this with a better sense of who these guys are, anyway.

So, my overall impression: fun, good balance of comedy and intrigue, the characters are being fleshed out nicely, and we get a few glimpses of what is to come.

There you have it.

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Notes 'n' Stuff...

Survivors -- Aside from Hyperion, Ore and Polaris, not too many casualties following the Lost Light's quantum generator malfunction. Hmm....

And speaking of those that are functional, the Lost Light's crew is a lot more 'familiar' than I had initially assumed. Gears, Huffer, Brawn, Inferno, Grapple, Hoist, Blaster, Sunstreaker (was wondering where he was, actually), Hound, Trailbreaker, Powerglide, Cosmos, Perceptor, the back of some Bluestreak-ish looking bot that may or may not be Bluestreak. They all show up to listen to Rodimus' little pep talk.

A shame Perceptor, thus far, has been relegated to the background. Not even so much as a proper introduction. Pity, as Roberts writes a lovely Percy.

...Sigh, I suppose I'll just have to live with Brainstorm for the time being, whom I'm quickly growing to appreciate. If anything, he demonstrates Roberts knack for writing comedy. :)

Skids -- Amnesiac that acts sort of like a Wrecker. Huh, that's interesting.

I think my impression of Skids, as a character, is somewhat skewed. Mind, his only notable characterization, to my recollection, was in issue #20 of the Marvel US run. Just need to adjust is all, and this iteration of Skids isn't all that bad.

I'll give him chance, and in all fairness, I think an overhaul was just what the poor guy needed -- various incarnations of Skids have seen him reduced to either (what was essentially) a cameo appearance in which he was made into a chair, was lost in limbo, or was dissected by the government (:(). He's generally written as a non-character/the universe's bitch.

Swerve -- Really funny here. Has some of the best lines in the issue. Too many to choose from, really. Pretty much everything that came out of his mouth was hilarious. A little overbearing, but that seems to be Roberts' intention, judging by the rest of the crew's reaction to him.

That said, what's with Swerve's borderline creepy obsession with Tailgate's alt-mode, anyway?

Mini-Character profiles -- Okay, sure, they're tiny, about two sentences long a piece and aren't particularly informative. But, they're character profiles! And, they're actually quite funny. Just a neat little bonus.

Ratchet -- "Kind, but not as kind as he once was." That about sums it; the Lost Light has yet another snarker (eg. "It just makes me want to punch him", said in regards to Drift). I'm not complaining, Ratchet is handled skillfully here, both in characterization and dialogue, but I won't deny that I'm still adjusting to this slightly newer, hybrid-ish take on the character.

I might be overreacting a touch -- I suppose I'm just a little worried that Roberts will overplay (and exaggerate) the whole "old age" thing.

Cyclonus -- Okay, so, Whirl makes a half-assed attempt to patch things up with him. As they shake hands, Cyclonus pulls Whirl in and whispers in his ear, "I'm going to kill you. Not Today. Maybe not for awhile. But I will kill you. And don't think you'll see it coming."

That whole segment was bloody fantastic!

I'm also wondering when Cyclonus will realize that Tailgate is on the Lost Light with him. Then again, they're both seen in that group shot together (mind you, Cyclonus's back is to everyone). Maybe he's moved on from all that Ark 1/Dead Universe business (meh, it's just as well), and can't be bothered with Tailgate?

Whirl -- Hints of an upcoming back story that'll explain his expulsion from the Wreckers. Something to do with Springer. Looking forward to the eventual revelation. :)

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Seriously, as loveable as these characters are - and I do love them - the whole lot of them are a bunch of smartasses and snarkers.

Brimstone
2012-02-16, 09:41 PM
Again, I have no problem with anyone surviving planetfall. I do have a problem with them surviving unscathed when the previous issue showed them freefalling while on fire and this issue showed a planetscape covered in giant impact craters that illustrate just how much force they would have hit the ground with.
Could be that the planet has a fairly thin atmosphere. It could still create a plasma trail, but it could be that it just wasn't as hot as it looked. And Magnus saying "they're on fire!" or whatever could have just been an over-reaction before getting the facts straight.

Also, the size of the impact craters has absolutely nothing to do with the planet's mass or with how hard the transformers are gonna hit the ground. Unless those were the impact craters of the transformers...which didn't seem to be the case to me.

The impact crater has everything to do with the speed at which the impactor hit. Look at the moon. It's tiny and has no atmosphere, but it's craters are huge! So huge in fact that some of them use to be lakes of molten rock because it was hit so hard (all the mares were formed form impacts so severe they punched a hole in the crust to the moons molten core...when it used to have one).

So, the transformers were traveling much slower than an asteroid or a comet zipping through the solar system. They were just traveling a fraction of that speed. So, they would not have hit the ground nearly hard enough to make craters as large as shown.

Terome
2012-02-16, 10:57 PM
Ooh, plenty to talk about. Hoorah.

Could be that the planet has a fairly thin atmosphere. It could still create a plasma trail, but it could be that it just wasn't as hot as it looked. And Magnus saying "they're on fire!" or whatever could have just been an over-reaction before getting the facts straight.

I, for one, think that the scientific rightness or wrongness of the ejected crew's survival is completely overshadowed by Swerve determining Tailgate's age by carbon-dating. Though I suppose it's likely Ratchet was joking.

And speaking of those that are functional, the Lost Light's crew is a lot more 'familiar' than I had initially assumed. Gears, Huffer, Brawn, Inferno, Grapple, Hoist, Blaster, Sunstreaker (was wondering where he was, actually), Hound, Trailbreaker, Powerglide, Cosmos, Perceptor, the back of some Bluestreak-ish looking bot that may or may not be Bluestreak. They all show up to listen to Rodimus' little pep talk.

Yeah, turns out it is full of 1984-1985 guys. Is anyone else a little bit disappointed? I think I am but might be a bit ashamed to be so.

This issue continues the fine and strange tradition of Transformers remembering each other's names from the scantest of information. Skids was familiar with the mangled corpses of Hyperion and Polaris and Chromedome knew him. Although Swerve had no idea who he was. Is that a clue?

Was the idea behind what Tailgate said about a monument on the horizon that the joke about Rewind being a giant memory is that he really is a giant memory stick? I think I would like it if he was a hundred feet tall when he transformed.

Drift was handled brilliantly here, I reckon. It's much more realistic and functional for him to annoy people on the grounds of him being a dippy, hollow ignoramus than for him being an ex-pirate.

I also quite like that there is no attempt to alien up the Cybertronian language or alphabet.

Whirl is about right too - he doesn't do anything overtly mental in this issue but it is very easy to see that there is something very deeply wrong with him. Bouncing him off the very much more self-assured, stable and altogether more dangerous Cyclonus is a good idea.

Speaking of Cyclonus, there's a bit of a jump between what we saw last issue and this one - so he made some kind of deal with Rodimus, then decided to follow him in a sneaky way, which was then cut short by Whirl, but then he ducked out to attach himself to the hull, only to fall off in the accident? That's a bit needlessly complicated.

What's the bet that the Circle of Light will have all been horribly killed when they arrive at Crystal City? I can't see any more cast swelling happening any time soon...

Milne really did pull off that sight gag of Tailgate slowly transforming in the background, didn't he?

So Ultra Magnus is basically the Transformers' entire legal system, yes?

zigzagger
2012-02-16, 11:57 PM
Yeah, turns out it is full of 1984-1985 guys. Is anyone else a little bit disappointed? I think I am but might be a bit ashamed to be so.

Mmm, maybe a little, though I'm not overly bothered by it. Was just surprised, as I assumed Barber got most of those guys.

Still...it might explain why so many folks survived the quantum generator mishap, I suppose :|

It would've been nice to have seen more of the '86ers through '89ers standing about, though. The one's that weren't sucked out into space, I mean.

Then again, how much exposure have the likes of Gears and Huffer gotten recently?

Was the idea behind what Tailgate said about a monument on the horizon that the joke about Rewind being a giant memory is that he really is a giant memory stick? I think I would like it if he was a hundred feet tall when he transformed. I was kinda bothered how that was off-paneled. I wanted to see what Tailgate was referring to.

Plus, what's Rewind's alt-mod look like? One of those Device Label USB drives?

Drift was handled brilliantly here, I reckon. It's much more realistic and functional for him to annoy people on the grounds of him being a dippy, hollow ignoramus than for him being an ex-pirate.It really is hard for me to complain how Drift is being handled in this series. Well, complain about him sincerely, anyway.

That brief, little factoid about him at the end of the issue does manage to shed a little light on Drift's motivations. I agree, he's being handled much more realistically; a guy that's trying too hard to change people's impression of him, and as a result he ends up grating on the nerves of folks like Ratchet, and being the butt of Swerve's jokes.

Terome
2012-02-17, 12:17 AM
I was kinda bothered how that was off-paneled. I wanted to see what Tailgate was referring to.
I imagine it's a future escape route being set up - having a guy who can turn into a massive rectangle could be useful for getting the rest of the characters out of a scrape later on, and now thanks to this little bit of set-up, that can be a punchline as well.

It really is hard for me to complain how Drift is being handled in this series. Well, complain about him sincerely, anyway.

That brief, little factoid about him at the end of the issue does manage to shed a little light on Drift's motivations. I agree, he's being handled much more realistically; a guy that's trying too hard to change people's impression of him, and as a result he ends up grating on the nerves of folks like Ratchet, and being the butt of Swerve's jokes. Yeah, it really does ring true. I really dig the recurring theme that the fairly ridiculous 'quest' isn't taken particularly seriously by anyone but Drift, and even he is transparently using it as a means to an end, that end being that everyone will like him. If Roberts does have an endgame idea that involves the Knights then I will be disappointed.

If there was anything glaringly wrong with this issue then I would say is that there might have been a bit too much Swerve. He's a great character but he is, in his own way, as much as a Mary Sue as Drift was under McCarthy.

Oh, and the '1984' bit. That was still stupid.

Denyer
2012-02-17, 02:26 AM
Ultra Magnus is basically the Transformers' entire legal system, yes?
Seems like he's pretty much the only one who gives a damn, yeah... you can see why the others wouldn't have much respect for rules and/or rules of conflict, after being in one for so long.

I love this. It's smart and funny without that overtaking the plot, and the single-issue format is being leveraged with decent cliffhangers.

Brimstone
2012-02-17, 04:48 PM
Milne really did pull off that sight gag of Tailgate slowly transforming in the background, didn't he? That was freaking hilarious!

Seriously...I love Swerve! This has to be the most fun, most interesting TF comic in years. I am thoroughly enjoying it!

StarscreamX
2012-02-17, 05:11 PM
I found it interesting that Tailgate looked like he might recognise those giant 'bots with swords from the way he was looking at the one Skids smashed up so intently. He said he'd been off world as part of the "Primal Vanguard" on peace keeping missions (Knowing what we know about Nova Prime, who wants to bet that "Off world peace keeping" translates as "Brutal conquest of other nearby worlds in the name of the Cybertronian Empire"?) so maybe he's run into these giant metal blokes with the swords before? I'm going to guess that it's the Quintessons that Skids is on the run from.

I want to marry Swerve :love:

And I loved Cyclonus's scene with Whirl in this issue. It's nice to see that Roberts haven't forgotten that, beneath the civilised exterior Cyclonus is even more effing mental than Whirl is. He's Patrick Bateman made out of metal, calm and collected on the outside but one bad day away from tearing everyone around him apart with his bare hands and him calmly telling Whirl that he's going to murder the hell out of him when he gets the chance was great. I liked that the daft mind control stuff from Chaos has been quietly forgotten and Cyclonus now served Galvatron willingly too. It makes him a lot more interesting to be a guy who did bad things for what he thought were the right reasons than just have him be a pawn who never had a choice. Loved the little dig at all that Cyclonus being a Decepticon bollocks as well

Rewind is still adorkable :love:

The character profiles were a nice touch as well. Ultra Magnus and Brainstorm were my favourite. "Smiled once and regretted it ever since" and "Prolific murderer" had me laughing away and I loved Swerve's description as well. Good friend to all, best friend to none :lol:

Ratchet getting pissed at Drift's mystical bollocks was brilliant as well, and Drift as a would be "New Age" type who gets on everyones nerves with his talk of "Positive Energy" and "Evolving into beams of light" is at least more entertaining than Drift as the bad ass ninja with the dark and troubled past so I can live with Drift being a main character in this series now

I found it interesting that Chromedome's occupation is classified according to the profiles. I wonder just what he did for the Autobots that's so important/awful that no one is allowed to know?

Terome
2012-02-17, 10:39 PM
I love this. It's smart and funny without that overtaking the plot, and the single-issue format is being leveraged with decent cliffhangers.

Hell yes, the cliffhanger in this issue was solid - introduce a corpse with literally a missing half to him, let the rest of the issue play out, have that other half turn up after a mention of the pair, quite dead, with the presumed killer at large.

That is some good structure right there.

Seems like he's pretty much the only one who gives a damn, yeah... you can see why the others wouldn't have much respect for rules and/or rules of conflict, after being in one for so long.

I think he might have been bluffing about Tyrest being alive just so he can keep acting on Tyrest's authority.

(Knowing what we know about Nova Prime, who wants to bet that "Off world peace keeping" translates as "Brutal conquest of other nearby worlds in the name of the Cybertronian Empire"?)

I think you're on to something there. 'Bomb disposal' sounds a bit too innocuous, doesn't it? He's far too cuddly for his own good, is little Tailgate...

I found it interesting that Chromedome's occupation is classified according to the profiles. I wonder just what he did for the Autobots that's so important/awful that no one is allowed to know?

Wasn't that just for our benefit? With so many ex-Kimia guys in the cast, someone is bound to know a little bit of what made Chromedome's career such a success.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-18, 11:49 AM
Agree with Warcry that the cliffhanger to the last issue was needlessly melodramatic, especially coming from Ultra Magnus (Red Alert I could more easily see reacting like that). I've no problem with them surviving as such but "Our friends are in trouble and we have to go rescue them" would have been a fine end to issue 1 without the OTT "They're burning up!" stuff. Especially odd as the end of this issue avoids being too silly with the cliffhanger, feeling more like the Lost In Space (not to be confused with Roberts' description of the series as Lost in space) device of sticking next weeks teaser on the end of the previous episode to create a serial feeling. Otherwise this would actually be a fairly contained but with set up for the future two part "Pilot".

Things I liked:

Drift. Was always more bothered with how he was promoted than the actual character (or rather, lack of) in any of the issues I read anyway, so it's nice to see he has a personality now.

Cyclonus and Whirl: So much future potential there. RE Ziggy's comment on Tailgate, it's entirely possible he and Cyclonus don't even know each other even if the later was down for the Ark crew.

Skids, nice mystery and well done action character.

Lots of nice lines for Swerve, Brainstorm, Rodimus and Ratcher even if they didn't get a huge amount to do.

What I didn't like:

The Rung gags basically combined the "Megaton" one from Chaos Theory and the "Optimus Prime didn't remember who Ironfist was" one from LSOTW. A bit weak, and if that's going to be his whole schit it'll get old real fast.

The whole way Cyclonus came on board seemed at odds with issue 1 and needlessly complicated. Why not just have had him brought on board with Whirl and then blown out into space with the others? Why no mention of his prior mysterious conversation with Rodimus?

Milne's art was decent enough, but paradoxically for the normally over detailed artist his attempts to follow on smoothly from Roche resulted in some panels feeling under-detailed.

Things I'll give a chance to" "1984". It'd better have a good, non-injokey non-annoying rational though.

Denyer
2012-02-18, 01:55 PM
Yeah, Milne did a cracking job following the style.

Is Magnus being melodramatic? British author, and the phrase "burning up" is used in reference to having a temperature over here. Not sure if it's deadpan humour or simply a metaphor, but it doesn't have to literally mean that they're being exposed to high enough temperatures to kill them outright.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question308.htm -- suggests about 1650 degrees C.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html -- carbon steel has a melting point of about 1500 degrees.

Assuming that TFs are a little bit more durable than Earth metal, which isn't a stretch, the re-entry temperatures are likely to be enough to do some serious damage (probably mainly to internal components) but give a good chance of survival with medical attention.

Particularly if most of them landed in water.

zigzagger
2012-02-18, 05:37 PM
Re: Magnus being a prick, etc...

I didn't so much interpret Magnus's comment last issue as melodramatic, but rather as a refusal to sugarcoat the situation. And, as Denyer said, the delivery of that line - "That's not a meteor shower..." - reads as a deadpanned response to Rodimus. The situation called for brutal honesty. Besides, it's Drift's role to be the yes man and see the brighter side of things.

Regardless, it was still an asshole thing to say.

Also, while I'm not entirely fussed that there were survivors (I'd expected as much), I still felt the weight of the first issue's cliffhanger lost a lot of impact when it turned out that, out of the forty who free-fell through the planet's atmosphere, there were only two casualties.

...One of which whose corpse was chucked at one of those "nineteen-eighty-four" robots. Speaking of which...

Things I'll give a chance to, "1984". It'd better have a good, non-injokey non-annoying rational though.Oh, and the '1984' bit. That was still stupid.

I know, right? Surely Roberts must be familiar with the online fandom? ;) We're vicious. The 1984 thing was bound to receive its fair share of groans and rolled eyes. Roberts hasn't been shy about using the occasional nudge-nudge-wink-wink reference in the past, some more subtly than others, but this one was a little too distracting. It took me out of the moment.

Denyer
2012-02-18, 07:03 PM
Mmm.

I'd taken the 1984 bit to be a non-too-subtle dig at fandom for not shutting up about it.

As a designation, is there anything it can be apart from a year?

Summerhayes
2012-02-19, 04:42 AM
For the 1984 thing to work, it has to be something none of us see coming. My conpletely random and off the top off my head theory; they'll be counting down to something. The next time we see them, they'll be saying some other significant number (knowing Roberts, 334) and after that it'll be 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and it'll be a big deal.

The characters are all lovable and brilliant. I feel so sorry for Swerve and Tailgate. Ultra Mags is brilliant and my idol. Drift is a dick but so real. Cyclonus and Whirl I can't wait to see pan out.



i I can't remember a comic where I was this psyched before ...

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-20, 01:11 PM
Very enjoyable read again. And that's "read" not "glance". Nice to have plenty of dialogue that's interesting.

Feels like it's still in a settling period. Not to be critical because its too easy to focus on small things but there does seem to be too much going on. Skids appears from nowhere, takes out 3 killer robots and no-one seems to have informed Rodimus or Magnus. Seems like something the 2 heads should know.
We now have a spark eater as well. Not to mention all the in-house issues between the cast.

Was a little disappointed that there didn't seem to be any decepticons on the ship but obviously it wasn't the full crew in that shot so this may not be the case.

But its a good read and interesting and that's enough for the moment.

Denyer
2012-02-20, 01:23 PM
We now have a spark eater as well.
Possibly. We know there's a member of the crew dead with a gaping hole in his chest, and some slices in the wall. Could be a very simple wrap-up, although it'd feel a bit too easy if it turns out to be Whirl.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-20, 02:14 PM
Oh, I'm sure we'll get plenty of mis-direction during Roberts run. It just felt like another complication being added on - whether its a spark eater or just Red Alerts paranoia.

Just feel there are a lot of plates in the air for only 2 issues in. But if they all get handled ok then no problem. Maybe I'm just so used to IDW dropping the ball that seeing so many being thrown up by both on-goings feels ominous.

Warcry
2012-02-20, 07:51 PM
Oh, and the '1984' bit. That was still stupid.
It sure was. In fact, it actually felt like I was reading a Dreamwave comic again, for a minute.

As far as the comic itself goes, there were some negatives...
I know I went on and on about the Autobots surviving their impact with the planet after seeing the preview, but what's done is done. I still don't like it, but whatever.


However, after reading the whole issue and seeing that the epic cliffhanger disaster from #1 was resolved with a grand total of three faceless non-toy casualties it's difficult for me to take this issue's cliffhanger too seriously. It's hard to shake the expectation that a few toy characters will be hurt but miraculously survive while some generics die to provide the needed drama. Which is OK I guess, just not what I'd come to expect from Roberts after Eugenesis and Wreckers (and obviously not what I'd expected last issue).


Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Roberts is trying just a bit too hard to be funny. Brainstorm and Swerve are both huge smartasses, Ultra Magnus and Drift haven't done much other than be the butt of other characters' jokes, the same goes for Ratchet and Rung, and Skids' introduction could easily have been torn from a script from the new Doctor Who. It was more noticeable this issue than last, since the only scenes that were played straight were the one with Rodimus, Cyclonus, Magnus and Whirl, and the teaser at the very end. I don't mind humour in a TF book, but the jokey tone of the comic seems a bit at odds with what's actually happening.


Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I really don't like the way that everyone's adopted funky Cybertronian alt-modes. I know there's a lot of reasons for it story-wise, but from a meta standpoint I really wish the characters had their Earth bodies because it's so damned hard to tell who's who. The crew shot toward the end of the comic is a great example...it took me several minutes to work out who was standing there, when I would have known at a glance who it was if they'd been using recognizable bodies -- and there's still a few guys I'm not sure about.

On the plus side...
Unlike the Costa ongoing, this book is shaping up to be a story that's driven by the main characters' actions instead of having the characters react to things that are outside of their control. You can see the seeds being planted for all sorts of future stories and subplots that are going to revolve around individual members of the cast, and that's a refreshing change.


The characters themselves are all a lot more interesting than the leads in your average TF book. Everyone who gets lines feels like a unique person just based on the way they talk, too. Neither Furman, McCarthy or Costa have managed to get both of those things to work in concert.


Both of the issues so far have done a good job telling a self-contained story at the same time as they've advanced the plot. That's something that's been missing from TF comics (well, comics in general really) for far too long. Reading this issue was like watching an episode of a serialized TV show like Lost...or reading a TF comic from the late 80s. I really, really like that.
All in all, I liked this issue but not quite as much as the first one.

Possibly. We know there's a member of the crew dead with a gaping hole in his chest, and some slices in the wall. Could be a very simple wrap-up, although it'd feel a bit too easy if it turns out to be Whirl.
I'd be really surprised if it was Whirl, the way he's been set up to be a main character and so many hints about his background have been dropped. Plus, it'll be really disappointing if Cyclonus didn't get to make good on his threat to kill the guy when he least expected it.

That said, I'd also be surprised if the killer was actually the 'nightmare creature' that the promo for next issue hinted at. I'm expecting either something to do with Prowl's "cargo", or a familiar character who's conspicuously absent from both series -- maybe Grimlock?

inflatable dalek
2012-02-20, 07:53 PM
Odds on the whatever did it being the cargo Prowl put on board? Though hopefully it'd be just something that's gone wrong rather than him planing to have people killed.

I don't really buy the intent of the end of issue 1 as being intended to be read as anything other than "They're all going to die!". Burning up has a very specific meaning when it comes to atmospheric reentry, and Magnus is too percise to bandy words about without meaning them. Plus, if we do take it as meaning "They've got a temperature"... it's makes the cliffhanger full on rubbish.

And of course, 1984 is the library book Skids has which is badly overdue and these and the fee collection robots.

EDIT@ Warcry:

Agree on the Cybertron modes, it's a problem both the new books have. It's especially silly in RID where they're supposed to be in dire straits resources wise but have the time to get funky new bodies.

Terome
2012-02-20, 08:10 PM
Possibly. We know there's a member of the crew dead with a gaping hole in his chest, and some slices in the wall. Could be a very simple wrap-up, although it'd feel a bit too easy if it turns out to be Whirl.

I get the impression that there is a self-conscious need to inject some action into each issue, so the Sparkeater might just turn out to be exactly that. I wonder if that will drop off once the series gets into double-digits... Roberts doesn't really seem to be a fan of violence being presented as a good or frivolous thing...

I don't really buy the intent of the end of issue 1 as being intended to be read as anything other than "They're all going to die!". Burning up has a very specific meaning when it comes to atmospheric reentry, and Magnus is too percise to bandy words about without meaning them. Plus, if we do take it as meaning "They've got a temperature"... it's makes the cliffhanger full on rubbish.

I can see the point to this argument but I disagree with it. Magnus is a pessimist and takes joy in pointing out the flaws in operational procedure. There was a real and unquantified danger to those forty guys, and some of their landings were anything but happy, so he was calling it like he saw it. The real cliffhanger in the first issue, for me, was the message from the future, which I felt was effective.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-20, 08:20 PM
I can see the point to this argument but I disagree with it. Magnus is a pessimist and takes joy in pointing out the flaws in operational procedure. There was a real and unquantified danger to those forty guys, and some of their landings were anything but happy, so he was calling it like he saw it. The real cliffhanger in the first issue, for me, was the message from the future, which I felt was effective.


I think it also suffered from the no-win situation created by the cliffhanger, if Roberts had killed some of the name characters it would have annoyed people, doing what he did here and only offing a couple of token red shirts doesn't really work here as it only creates a sense of anti-climax.

Never really got the sense Magnus is a pesimist unless that's going to be his new schit. A realist maybe, but that's not the same thing. As said, Red Alert would have been the one for needless hyperbole. But then, i suppose using him would have made the first two cliffhangers the same....

I can also see Warcry's point about the book perhaps trying to be too funny/witty, but that rapid fire dialogue is pretty much a staple of most of the show Roberts mentioned as inspiration for the series, so it's not as if we weren't forewarned.

Denyer
2012-02-20, 08:50 PM
to provide the needed drama
The cliffhangers don't necessarily have to be consequence-driven... as something (http://www.amazon.co.uk/TARDIS-Eruditorum-Unauthorized-Critical-ebook/dp/B0065AMK2U) I'm reading at the moment notes, the serial format (comics, old Doctor Who) is more about hypothesising how the author's going to get out the situation that's been set up.

Not to say that there don't need to be meaningful casualties every so often, but they need some build-up before they're genuine loss rather than atmosphere.

Magnus elsewhere in the same issue gets the line "[Tell them] the truth. We've lost contact with Cybertron, we can't find ourselves on the map, Ore is dead, Hyperion and Polaris are dead, but Cyclonus is happy so that's okay." Cynical, non-literal bastard is currently where he's at.

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-21, 01:47 AM
After re-reading the first issue I am of the firm belief that the whole Magnus-burning up line is meant as a bit of off-beat humour. The Scene starts with Rodimus promising to find everyone who got sucked out. He then asks where to start looking. Magnus suggests a point and rodimus responds with "what, under the meteor shower" to which Magnus makes the (imo) off-hand comment "no, they are the metoer" shower which to me reads like he pointed out where to look and got a dig in at Rodimus Optimism.

To me, the cliff hanger is the bit of playback. But hey, each to their own.

Terome
2012-02-21, 06:07 PM
I'm interested in how time is going to parceled out in this series as it progresses. I understand that things need to be fairly immediate right now, but the precedent has been set early on that these guys can nap and go missing for the lifespan of entire civilizations. Now that Earth is out of the equation and the other book is doing its own sort of thing, the crew can hang out on alien worlds for years at a time, go native in a certain part of the galaxy and then pack up and set out again if needs must.

Actually, no wait. Is that a good thing? It felt like a good thing when I started typing it but now I am not so sure.

Knightdramon
2012-02-24, 10:57 PM
Loving this series so far. Like I'm telling my sister, it's like Lost with transformers in it.

I adore Cyclonus and Whirl. I actually laughed out loud when Cyclonus whispered that he's going to kill Whirl.

Kind of surprised to see Sunstreaker in the crew. My favourite autobot from the IDW verse so far is in, but hasn't said a word yet.

Overall, lots of neat character moments for everybody, I didn't really like Skids though. I'm sure there's an explanation, but he's like the dorkiest deluxe car before the 1986 movie and he's basically M:I material here. I'd lie if I said I don't want to re-buy a BT Skids to have next to my MP Rodimus :)

Summerhayes
2012-02-26, 04:06 PM
the crew can hang out on alien worlds for years at a time, go native in a certain part of the galaxy and then pack up and set out again if needs must.
This can be a good thing if used well. The best thing at the moment is that its pacey. If they all stop on a planet and crush grapes with french women for 20,000 years, that wouldn't be cool. If they, say, re-establish contact with 'Bee and realise they were all out for however long, that could be quite dramatic and make Tailgate an awesome bit of forshadowing.

Terome
2012-02-26, 06:20 PM
This can be a good thing if used well. The best thing at the moment is that its pacey. If they all stop on a planet and crush grapes with french women for 20,000 years, that wouldn't be cool. If they, say, re-establish contact with 'Bee and realise they were all out for however long, that could be quite dramatic and make Tailgate an awesome bit of forshadowing.

It's tricky, but it can be done. Nobody complains about the pace of The Odyssey and that has some pretty significant timeslips built into it.

StarscreamX
2012-02-28, 12:14 PM
Mmm.

I'd taken the 1984 bit to be a non-too-subtle dig at fandom for not shutting up about it.

As a designation, is there anything it can be apart from a year?

Maybe the giant bots with swords REALLY like the work of George Orwell?


I think you're on to something there. 'Bomb disposal' sounds a bit too innocuous, doesn't it? He's far too cuddly for his own good, is little Tailgate...

And he was part of the crew of the first Ark. And according to everyones favourite rambling lunatic Galvatron, the crew knew full well what Nova was up to and that conquest (Or "Expansion" as Nova Prime put it) was what they were up to

Though at the same time if he does turn out to be as mad as Nova Prime and his lot I'll be disapointed because he is adorable. The scene of him slowly transforming in the background was just cute and so was him getting all frustrated about Swerve bugging him about his alt mode.


Wasn't that just for our benefit? With so many ex-Kimia guys in the cast, someone is bound to know a little bit of what made Chromedome's career such a success.

True, though they might be sworn to secrecy about it. Kimia was definitely a place where a lot of dodgy stuff was being done

Summerhayes
2012-02-29, 10:29 AM
It's tricky, but it can be done. Nobody complains about the pace of The Odyssey and that has some pretty significant timeslips built into it.

The thing is, I can't see them having too many time jumps from an editorial standpoint. Just because they'll want the timeframe to match R.I.D if and when this status quo ends.

Grayfox
2012-03-12, 08:56 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #3 reaction and discussion thread.

- ziggy

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http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4109&page=2

"...welding Prowls hand together for a joke". xD

Denyer
2012-03-12, 09:25 PM
Well, that's different.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-12, 11:17 PM
Loved Ratchets put down of Drift. Nice.

Not sure where they are going with this and I'm all the better for that.

Terome
2012-03-12, 11:28 PM
Prowl: now innocent of sabotage but responsible for the accident.

That Tailgate / Cyclonus moment is rich with all sorts of implications...

Milne's getting a lot Milnier with Rodimus' pointy bits.

I would like to read this comic.

zigzagger
2012-03-13, 06:38 AM
Ooo, a mystery. This should be fun.

Figured as much, but that checks off one more red herring; Prowl didn't arrange the sabotage.

Also -- Yes, I knew it! Tailgate does know who Cyclonus is. Color me intrigued. Looking forward to their future interactions.

With each issue, Ratchet gets grumpier. It's starting to bother me, to be honest.

Skyquake87
2012-03-13, 08:19 AM
..is ratchet grumpy 'cos he's getting old and frustrated that he's not as slick as he used to be?

Anyway, it was Ore that sent Prowl that message..? And did he load the Sparkeater..? Hmm..what did have stowed aboard Rodimus ship'..?

The dialogue is perhaps still a bit too jokey but I really like it (humourless Prime fans need not apply). Rodimus speech to the crew was ace. All in all: looking forward to reading this in full.

Milne's art is still good...but I agree Rodimus is degenerating into pointy nonsense with every issue. heh, "Mr Pointy".

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-13, 03:01 PM
Yeah, Milne needs to be careful. He works much better of other peoples designs - his own stuff just becomes a bit too generic gundam for my liking.

As for Ratchet, yeah he is fierce grumpy. Might as well give him the "Bones" nickname and be done with it.

Terome
2012-03-14, 07:41 PM
It is out and I have read it.

Straightforward and well-executed from top to bottom. There's a rushed panel here and an extraneous bit of dialogue there but everything is unfolding nicely. The most dramatic sequence was Cyclonus' account of the civil war to Tailgate. Was that a convoluted Zetas (Mexican drug cartel) / Zeta Prime (supervillain President) reference in the background of that page? And Sentinel grabbing the Matrix away from Nominus while he was in hospital?

Loved how Rodimus did something admittedly pretty cool and then immediately let it go straight to his pointy little head.

I've a hunch that Skids isn't actually Skids. Something is way, way, up with the resident action hero. Incidentally, what's the musical reference with 'Skids and Swerve?' Is that another Dexy's Midnight Runners thing?

Turbofoxes look like Digimon. Who knew?

zigzagger
2012-03-14, 11:59 PM
It's not often you get standalone issues like this in a Transformers comic (hell, in any mainstream comic for that matter), instead of 1/6th of some decompressed story arc.

So long as we don't forget why Rodimus and company left Cybertron to begin with, I think this series will do just fine -- though I suppose it might've been a bit too soon for a diversion.

Overall; Fun as always. A not at all 'traditional' Transformers story (the issue and the series), which is a definite plus in my book.

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Notes 'n' stuff....

Shock (or Ore) -- As mean as it was, I did find it amusing how everyone was making light of Shock's murder, even as they stood over his corpse. And still, no one can get either of the Duobot's names right. Is this one of those 'meta' moments, where the main cast has a laugh at the expense of the red shirt because they know he's a red shirt?

I'm not sure how I was supposed to respond to that scene, to be honest. Clearly not as dramatic as one would assume, what with all the offhand remarks and talk about Cybertronian urban myths...

Now that we know that he and Ore were Prowl's agents, I'm wondering if they were assigned to do more than attach tracers to the engines. Prowl did instruct them to load some unknown cargo on board the Lost Light.

Tailgate and Cyclonus's conversation -- Cyclonus has a very unique and interesting perspective on the Autobot/Decepticon war. It's understandably taken out of context given where he and Tailgate have been the past 6 million years (Sigh, really? 6 million? [/rolleyes]).

And Tailgate's naivete is just precious. D'awww, he wants to be a Decepticon.

On a side note, I hope Cyclonus's head-protrusion thingies are repaired at some point. It's petty, I know, but the lopsidedness bugs me.

Skids -- More of an observation than anything, but I do find it a bit odd that no one seems the least bit curious, and maybe a little concerned, how Skids (last issue) happened to find the Lost Light. The universe is an awfully big place after all. I know all will be revealed in time - and when the crew has a moment to do so - but, I dunno, it bears investigating I would think, especially since he doesn't remember how he got there.

Swerve -- My nickname at the academy was "Shut the hell up." I love it. Mainly because I can identify. I've known people just like Swerve in real-life, and that is essentially my reaction to them ;)

At any rate, aside from that highly quotable moment, Roberts managed to rein Swerve in a little. The gag-a-minute schtick from the previous issue, while truly funny, I have to confess was running the risk of losing its charm. It's much more moderate here.

Incidentally, what's the musical reference with 'Skids and Swerve?' Is that another Dexy's Midnight Runners thing?

Not sure, now that you mention it. Though, my initial reaction was 'roadside gag'.

Rung -- Aww. He must have a permanent 'kick me' sign taped to his back or something. I had a feeling this was going to be a recurring theme. And speaking of potential running gags....

The First Rule of Interstellar Travel -- Ore, A Sparkeater, Rodimus's arms; I wonder what or who else the crew will meld into the quantum generator?

Rodimus -- About damn time he had his moment to shine. He is the captain, after all. Probably not what you'd call a model captain, of course. But then, that's what makes him so interesting. He's reckless and hotheaded, he's not at all humble...he's flawed.

Incidentally, he hasn't done the best job keeping to that promise of his. Under his watch, the death toll is now up to 5. Mind, all five were generics, and everyone knows that generics don't have feelings. Or souls either...because, you know, the Sparkeater ate them.

Random 'Bots standing about -- Didn't mention this last issue, but there are a lot of named characters standing and wandering about who've yet to utter a single word. Understandable considering the already large core cast, and I'm tickled pink that a lot of these guys are getting some long overdue exposure, but at the same time I'm also seeing characters here who you'd think would have some interesting things to contribute to the story.

Sunstreaker immediately comes to mind, what with his history. Or slightly more strange, Xaaron, who was previously established as a member of High Command (and who I didn't even realize was on board the Lost Light until now). Perceptor finally piped up, though. And we actually got to see his face this issue ;)

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-15, 02:16 PM
Picked this up today along with hardback Last Stand of the Wreckers (eeeeeeeee!!!!) and Infestation 2 part 2. Its (somewhat) interesting to compare MTMTE with Infestation - not so much in the settings or characters but more in the quality of the script and certainly the characters. Infestation 2 lacks any of the fun of the first one and as its not set in the current universe the attachment to the characters is purely based on whether you watched the G1 cartoon or not.

But enough of that rubbish.

MTMTE #3 is a damn lovely comic book. Milnes art slips a little on some bits but overall is still going strong - he has nailed the Roche designs, its only with his own designs that things look a bit off. Ore and Shock being the worst offenders. The Panel showing the war through the eyes of Cyclonus is just lovely (and yes, I also hope he gets that horn fixed soon.)

This felt a more focused issue and so far the closest to the star trek type TV show feel that I think Roberts is aiming for. I like that the next issue is also a whole new story focusing on other characters. So what we have are arcs for the characters to evolve over time but the main focus would appear to be on a 2-3 part contained story. And I gotta say that I think thats much better than a constant "This is the BIG story" feel of stuff like furmans work.

Skids -- More of an observation than anything, but I do find it a bit odd that no one seems the least bit curious, and maybe a little concerned, how Skids (last issue) happened to find the Lost Light. The universe is an awfully big place after all. I know all will be revealed in time - and when the crew has a moment to do so - but, I dunno, it bears investigating I would think, especially since he doesn't remember how he got there.

I think I raised this point in the thread for #2 but it does seem to be a bit of a miss-fire that the Lost Light is miles from cybertron, totally lost and yet nobody seems too concerned with an Autobot that everyone thought dead showing up out of the blue. Also no follow up with the 1984 robots. Not a bad thing as such but I was kinda hoping they would be explained and dismissed sooner rather than later.

Other than that though the rest of the issues zips along with some nice scenes with all the main cast. Some may claim that Ratchet is too cranky but I like it as he has been through quite a bit (in IDW and other continuities). He needed a fresh lick of character. Whirl and Cyclonus are both nicely done (Whirls pretending the door was locked was quite funny), Tailgate is very intriguing (the half transformation mode was done really well) and the background main cast like Brainstorm, Chromedome and Rung are kept bubbling under. What is in that case?

Another good issue then. And compared to what we were getting from Costa, this is pure gold. Sure, there may be stuff that doesnt always click as its meant to. But its overall a really enjoyable read and I hope that IDW leave Roberts (and barber) to mostly their own devices.

Auntie Slag
2012-03-15, 03:13 PM
Although he's barely existed I miss 'party Ratchet'. Tech spec love and all that, and yes the humour comes from other characters which is more than fine... but I'd like an extremely dark Hawkeye from M*A*S*H* style Ratchet rather than the Bones from Star Trek one we have here. We kind of saw it at the beginning of the old 'Warrior School' story from Marvel and I felt a little hint of it in Devastation I think.

Otherwise, very cool stuff. Whirl's pointy, almost alien like design and savage attitude is very nifty.

zigzagger
2012-03-15, 08:36 PM
I think I raised this point in the thread for #2 but it does seem to be a bit of a miss-fire that the Lost Light is miles from cybertron, totally lost and yet nobody seems too concerned with an Autobot that everyone thought dead showing up out of the blue. Also no follow up with the 1984 robots. Not a bad thing as such but I was kinda hoping they would be explained and dismissed sooner rather than later.

I'd prefer sooner than later as well. It just strikes me as something that the crew would want to address as soon as they were able -- yet his sudden appearance didn't even so much as receive a raised eyebrow from Ultra Magnus.

What I also find strange is that Skids would be welcomed aboard so easily considering the manner he arrived on that planet. He had an inhibitor claw clamped to his back and was being pursued by giant sword-wielding robots, suggesting that Skids was at least a prisoner of some sort. He's supposed to be dead and isn't even sure who he is himself, so how, as Terome kind of suggested, do the crew know this is the real Skids?

inflatable dalek
2012-03-16, 02:29 PM
Fluff, but enjoyable throwaway fluff. It's hard to say that much about the plot as there wasn't really one and the Spark Eater managed to make the 1984 robots looks like engaging and deadly foes.

The are suffered for the first time though, there were points where it didn't seem to make any sense (Whirl goes from being behind a locked door to out in the corridor firing missiles in one panel being the most disjointed, though the script may be at fault there). Did I miss an explanation as to why the Eater suddenly went for Rodimus after seeming hell bent on Rung?

The highlight was the Cyclonus/Tailgate conversation, really deep thoughtful stuff in a nice contrast to the silliness of the rest of the issue.

Mind, the ongoing plots better not wind up being shunted altered or ignored in typical IDW style, if we end up in a Furmanverse situation having only the third issue as a standalone rather than dealing with any of the outstanding stuff from last issue will be very annoying.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-16, 02:52 PM
Did I miss an explanation as to why the Eater suddenly went for Rodimus after seeming hell bent on Rung?

The eater goes for Rung, but Rodimus knocks him out of the way at the last second and gets entangled with Rodimus.


Mind, the ongoing plots better not wind up being shunted altered or ignored in typical IDW style, if we end up in a Furmanverse situation having only the third issue as a standalone rather than dealing with any of the outstanding stuff from last issue will be very annoying.

I'm kinda hoping we dont focus too much on the overall arc all the time. Yes, they need to both keep looking for the Knights and how to get home but I like the idea that the story isn't always focused on the big picture.

For me, Furman went wrong where everything needed to tie in together at the end. Worst offender being Sideswipes story being fitted in for the last issue of his run. Felt so out of place and unwanted.

Auntie Slag
2012-03-16, 05:24 PM
Hey, nobody puts Sideswipe in the corner!

Denyer
2012-03-16, 11:17 PM
Colour repro feels subtly off somehow.

It's nice that Rodimus is starting to kick back at Magnus.

I could quite happily enjoy any number of issues with this kind of back-and-forth dialogue, where the characters feel rounded enough that they have their own preoccupations (but not to the point of outright predictability) -- on the other hand, this issue is really the resolution of last issue, and the cliffhanger's really a personal character moment. It'll be interesting to see how momentum's maintained when the overall arc is very open.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-17, 07:01 PM
Silly questions but

A) does anybody get the title of this issue? or even how issue 1-3 tie together as Liars A-D (think thats the overall title at the moment)

B) with there being 2 spaces left on the "meet the crew" page, can we expect these to be filled or is it just bad layout?

After re-reading the first 3 issues of this I now no longer feel it is like star trek but more like Firefly. The characters are very much the appeal and the story feels secondary - just like Firefly (imo anyway)

Oh, and Happy St. Patricks Day to you all from an Irish Transfanatic.

zigzagger
2012-03-17, 07:20 PM
Silly questions but

A) does anybody get the title of this issue? or even how issue 1-3 tie together as Liars A-D (think thats the overall title at the moment)

From what I've heard, I think, at The Allspark or the IDW forums is that it's a tribute to Liars A to E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8o4-Sxh2U), a tune by Dexy's Midnight Runners.

B) with there being 2 spaces left on the "meet the crew" page, can we expect these to be filled or is it just bad layout?Was thinking that too. Grimlock's still out there, isn't he?

Hey, if Skids can happen upon the Lost Light, then I figure why not Grimlock too? I know Roberts was deliberately vague about his and the Dinobots whereabouts in that one interview (http://www.craveonline.com/comics/interviews/182693-james-roberts-and-the-transformers-renaissance#.TzMGay3IiGM.facebook)...

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-17, 11:07 PM
Hey, if Skids can happen upon the Lost Light, then I figure why not Grimlock too? I know Roberts was deliberately vague about his and the Dinobots whereabouts in that one interview...

True indeed. I'd be intererested in seeing how roberts would deal with grimlock - especially after the events on G9.

I'd also be curious if they came across a renegade bunch of decepticons who dont realise the war is over - Bludgeon and the monstorcons would be a good rival faction. They could become a recurring enemy. And it would give Tailgate a chance to see how his fellow decepticons behave :)

zigzagger
2012-04-17, 09:18 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #4 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=12108).

zigzagger
2012-04-17, 10:15 PM
More mystery and intrigue, something this title excels at. Looking forward to this.

More world building too, which I love, though it's pretty clear (to me anyway) that Roberts is in love with the universe he's created ;)

Terome
2012-04-17, 11:38 PM
Those plates, they spin so well! Am pleased again to see how readily plot points are firing. The mystery of Ratchet's hands is solved, tying in neatly to the whole forged / constructed cold thread. The Decepticon Justice Department edges closer to the spotlight after years of mentions, which I imagine will give a very real dimension to Tailgate's new fancy.

And what's this? More on the Primus, Mortus, Adaptus line from Chaos Theory? Details are unpacking like crazy.

Oh, and the possibility of Transformers having things downloaded directly to their brains is finally brought up. What are they doing with all those iPads they wave around, then?

Skyquake87
2012-04-18, 08:24 AM
"Its either very far away or you've invented the world's smallest drink"

I love this book :)

gregles
2012-04-18, 02:09 PM
I'm really enjoying the simmering resentment between between drift and ratchet in this series so far and and this judge dread-ish version of ultra magnus has real star potential for me.

Now that decepticons have the D.J.D. (Decepticon Justice Division) on the way, I couldn't help but noticing the similarities in there role within there faction between these D.J.D's and ultra magnus and these very nasty seeming D.J.D's might feel a slight kinship or maybe even team up to tame the chaotic bots on both factions, just my little guess.

New bot pharma is bound to be kitbashed by someone repainting the universe cyclonus mold and maybe adding a ratchet head or sculpting there own

zigzagger
2012-04-19, 03:36 AM
More universe building. Or rather, building within the confines of the universe that Roberts has created. In fact, a lot of this issue expands on ideas and characters introduced in Last Stand of the Wreckers, and especially Bullets.

Overall -- It's the beginning of a new story arc and, thankfully, little time is wasted getting things up and moving, making a fairly sharp shift in tone. If the solicitations are anything to go by, I'm really liking what's being set up here.

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Spoilerific notes 'n' stuff...

Ratchet and Drift -- At some point I'd like to know what Ratchet's deal with Drift is*, but I think the 'frenemies' angle works. The two have a good dynamic and play off each other well.

Drift is kind of a dork, isn't he? And yet, oddly -- terrifyingly -- I'm slowing finding myself endeared by his dorkiness. Who'd a thunk it? The two splash pages featuring him were a little disruptive, though -- unless it's meant to be parody, which is quite possible. Ratchet's grumpiness, thankfully, is reigned back a little bit. He's much more personable here and I'm reminded why I adore the character so much.

* - I have a feeling it's something that's, like, totally obvious.

Prowl Dent -- Transformers can have the same names in-fiction after all.

Delphi's staff -- Hmm. I wonder what 'old life' Ambulon is trying to conceal? There's the purple plating underneath the shoddy paint job, and he did take pity on those 'Genericons'. The Delphi facility is said to be on the edge of the D.J.D territory as well...

That, or all these "clues" are a deliberate misdirection. I'm probably reading too much into it, but, hey, that's what these forums are for.

First Aid is...quirky. I'd like to see him join up with the crew of the Lost Light, if only because Transformers books could always use more Protectobots. Did find it a touch odd that he didn't seem all too bothered that Drift had killed one of his patients, though.

Tailgate -- Aww, the poor little guy. He's having such a terrible time. He needs a big hug. Rodimus's 'lesson' struck me as being just as skewed as Cyclonus's account of the war. But then, the Aequitas trials were never made public were they?

Cyclonus might have overreacted there just a touch. Clearly there's more going on that will be revealed at a later time.

Also..."Soundwave's Anti-Neutral Pogrom"? What the hell?! That's pretty intense. Never knew he had it in him.

Pipes -- Nice to see more of the '86 minibots getting exposure and all -- even if he spends half the issue rapidly decomposing -- but wasn't Pipes also one of the crew members that was sucked out into space and free fell through that planet's atmosphere in the first issue? That's one hell of a recovery, and just in time to be this issue's designated red shirt, too ;)

Fortress Maximus -- I'll admit, I wasn't expecting that. Still, I wonder - Last Stand of the Wreckers ended May 2010; was his miraculous recovery planned that far back?

Maybe it was. That throwaway line in the 5th issue's epilogue - the one that left his and Springer's chances of a full recovery ambiguously up in the air - certainly set it up that way. Knowing that now, I'm not really sure I how I feel about this. While I've always been somewhat impartial to IDW Fortress Maximus - and let's be honest, Furman really didn't do a whole lot to distinguish him from the rest of his stock characters - his fate in LSOTW was (in my opinion) one of the series' more memorable moments. It was so...shocking.

I'll give it a pass for now. I will say, however, that Maximus's speech read...well, a little stilted. It was awkward, in a retro 80's info-dump-ish sorta way.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-20, 12:36 PM
Oh come on, Maximus' speech was awesome in a jar made of awesome. A totally unexpected and yet logical feeling dramatic last page return. Whilst I guess he was crouching to aim the missiles on his back the pose was bordering on the Pat Lee though.

After the fairly self contained nature of the first three issues it's nice to have a proper two (? Presumably if the first trade is the first five issues) parter, and everything pretty much flowed as well as ever. And lo, more fast story telling, again, a year ago Tailgate's arc would have been drawn out for months, here he learns the error of his ways almost instantly (though he doesn't chose to become an Autobot either, so I'd say what he was shown wasn't so biased as to bring him fully round).

First Aid was indeed neat, and I especially liked the callback to Bullets and his interest in random Autobrands (complete with the one shot with the microfilm or whatever it was. Shame it's not clear here he was acting under secret orders rather than being genuinely nuts). Would it be too obvious that he'll be left in charge of whatever's left of Delphi as the new Autobot CMO when the dust settles? Pharma has "Secretly Evil" written all over him.

Pipes was good, the improv bar was nice (if nicked from BSG) and actual acknowledgement that Ratchet's character has changed drastically since Infiltration was most welcome. Overall, a top notch issue with improved art over last month as well.

Two more thoughts:

Is there any indication there's been any attempt at "Hey, we're alive!" contact with Cybertron? Their subspace equipment is clearly working and though there's a bit of a handwave about time lags it's slightly contradicted by First Aid's message reaching them within two days, and that previous issues have show interstellar communication to be pretty much instantanious no matter where you are (though the -tion series did tend to treat the Universe as a slightly larger back garden).

With it being five year since Wreckers and other time jumps before that, what year is it supposed to be? The last confirmation of a date I can recall is the 2007 sings on that auto-repair shop in Escalation. Are we in a 24 situation where the longer than real time jumps between seasons would have put Jack Bauer on the moon if there'd been a season 9?

Terome
2012-04-20, 01:54 PM
I'll give it a pass for now. I will say, however, that Maximus's speech read...well, a little stilted. It was awkward, in a retro 80's info-dump-ish sorta way.

I'm with you, Zig. I'm not a fan of the 'character thought to be dead revealed in one large panel' trick and thought the speech was the first bit of evidence I've noticed of Roberts patting himself on the back for past glories. Though mainly I was just pleased that Max was not, in fact, Grimlock. That incentive cover with Pipes reflected in Drift's sword made him look like a dead ringer for Grimmy.

a year ago Tailgate's arc would have been drawn out for months, here he learns the error of his ways almost instantly (though he doesn't chose to become an Autobot either, so I'd say what he was shown wasn't so biased as to bring him fully round).

Yes! I was very pleased with that. They made the point, dealt with it, and moved on to two new, equally interesting points: Why is Cyclonus such a jerk and what will Tailgate make of all those Autobot atrocities that crop up from time to time? Also, how great is the text for the memory-rush sequence? When Costa shows us the war, we get an issue of Autobots running around from street to street, thumping people. Roberts gives us The Five Dark Epochs, another sliver of the Luna-2 puzzle and anti-neutral pogroms to mull over. Yikes.

Is there any indication there's been any attempt at "Hey, we're alive!" contact with Cybertron?

I'd chalk that up to Rodimus just not caring about whether Cybertron knows that he is alive or dead. Or, rather, caring very deeply and wanting to pull a Tom Sawyer on them in about ten issues or so.

Ratchet and Drift -- At some point I'd like to know what Ratchet's deal with Drift is*, but I think the 'frenemies' angle works. The two have a good dynamic and play off each other well.

I'm kind of immersed in this culture myself, but I assumed it was a straight-up 'science vs superstition' clash. Drift is a mystic and Ratchet is a doctor. Maybe there will turn out to be more to it than that. Incidentally, there's probably a sketchy first-year culture studies paper in the fact that American writers have Optimus Prime embrace the magical side of his inheritance and British writers have him be rather sceptical of the whole deal.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-20, 02:07 PM
I'm taking Max's speech as complete bluster to cover the fact that hospital patients probably wouldn't be armed to the teeth, he's bluffing on an empty hand.

I do think with it being mentioned almost every issue (and playing a large part of the resolution to RID 3) the whole missing moon thing is building up to something. As most of the mentions have been in this book rather than the one set on Cybertron presumably they'll be an Obi Wan Kenobish "That... actually is a moon" moment.

Terome
2012-04-20, 02:17 PM
I'm taking Max's speech as complete bluster to cover the fact that hospital patients probably wouldn't be armed to the teeth, he's bluffing on an empty hand.


Good call.

I do think with it being mentioned almost every issue (and playing a large part of the resolution to RID 3) the whole missing moon thing is building up to something. As most of the mentions have been in this book rather than the one set on Cybertron presumably they'll be an Obi Wan Kenobish "That... actually is a moon" moment.

It could be a fun exercise to piece together what we do know about the poor lost moon. Swerve was part of a team that went out to find it, wasn't he? Starscream was involved, though maybe not in its actual disappearance, and it was a 'part' in whatever it is that Cybertron 'does.' Hmm...

So who wants to bet that when it does show up, it turns out to be sentient and well-spoken?

...

Oh hells bells, I hope Trypticon is in this book in some capacity. They might have missed a trick in not having him actually be the Lost Light. There aren't many Decepticons who actually have a personality and there's something about the inherent ridiculousness of Trypticon that makes me want to know what he does all day.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-20, 02:24 PM
Good call.

Certainly the big Armada Megatron stolen tank cannon thing isn't on page, and that missile launcher thing on his back seems to be empty (though it might be lasers I suppose?).


It could be a fun exercise to piece together what we do know about the poor lost moon. Swerve was part of a team that went out to find it, wasn't he? Starscream was involved, though maybe not in its actual disappearance, and it was a 'part' in whatever it is that Cybertron 'does.' Hmm...

Having not read Chaos I was a bit confused by the whole Vector Sigma/Moon 1/Moon 2/It's the Cirrrrrrcle of liiiiiiiiiiife thing from RID 3 and what the point of it was, was it not properly explained in that series then? It's supposed to be a mystery? Because all the characters were talking as if they knew what it was all about.


Oh hells bells, I hope Trypticon is in this book in some capacity. They might have missed a trick in not having him actually be the Lost Light. There aren't many Decepticons who actually have a personality and there's something about the inherent ridiculousness of Trypticon that makes me want to know what he does all day.

Has he done anything in IDW to establish his character? The Noel Coward DW version would be fun, the "Me stomp!" cartoon version less so.

TLB80
2012-04-20, 02:52 PM
Has he done anything in IDW to establish his character? The Noel Coward DW version would be fun, the "Me stomp!" cartoon version less so.

I'm pretty sure all he's done is show up in the background of some big fight scenes.

Oh, and he transformed once in AHM #13, methinks.....

Terome
2012-04-20, 02:58 PM
Certainly the big Armada Megatron stolen tank cannon thing isn't on page, and that missile launcher thing on his back seems to be empty (though it might be lasers I suppose?).

You know, I really like that 'rib cannon' thing that Armada Megatron has going on. It's a novel solution to a tricky design problem. It's odd that it hasn't caught on so much.

Having not read Chaos I was a bit confused by the whole Vector Sigma/Moon 1/Moon 2/It's the Cirrrrrrcle of liiiiiiiiiiife thing from RID 3 and what the point of it was, was it not properly explained in that series then? It's supposed to be a mystery? Because all the characters were talking as if they knew what it was all about.

Ho ho! Nothing was explained in Chaos. All they said in RID was that Cybertron and its moons formed an electrical circuit, which would be a hell of a thing to miss if anyone lived there and was interested in how things work. It's not even science fictional - the moons of Jupiter conduct electricity. Here's a snippet from NASA about Io:

Io's orbit, keeping it at more or less a cozy 422,000 km (262,000 miles) from Jupiter, cuts across the planet's powerful magnetic lines of force, thus turning Io into a electric generator. Io can develop 400,000 volts across itself and create an electric current of 3 million amperes. This current takes the path of least resistance along Jupiter's magnetic field lines to the planet's surface, creating lightning in Jupiter's upper atmosphere.

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Jup_Io

There are even bolts of visible lightning that jump the whole distance from Io to Jupiter. That is a very big bolt of lightning. I imagine that's where Barber is taking his cue from.

Has he done anything in IDW to establish his character? The Noel Coward DW version would be fun, the "Me stomp!" cartoon version less so.

I don't think so. But his Noel Coward incarnation is the best Trypticon, as well as the best bit of Dark Ages, I'd like to think it will shine on through.
I also like to think he uses those words in Big Dog's voice, and that it takes seven minutes to complete a quip.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-20, 04:18 PM
Oh, and I guess Max would be the "Long thought dead" Autobot mentioned in the solicitations? Or was that for the next issue? Hmm, Springer would probably be there as well wouldn't he?

One other reason I really liked Max's speech is that it's the first unashamed "straight" heroic moment in the book. No irony, quips or winking to camera. As fun as everyone else is, having a character who just comes on and goes "I'm a big dame hero so sod off" is nice. And it is in keeping with how Rocharts (briefly) wrote him in Last Stand where he does a similar amount of "As soon as we've kicked their arses we'll make who did this pay" bluster in the face of overwhelming odds.

Can I say how much I love that First Aid fixed it (not to be confused with Fixit) with a giant pair of jump leads?

zigzagger
2012-04-21, 05:11 AM
Pharma has "Secretly Evil" written all over him.

Was thinking that too, what with him oh so conveniently being locked up in the quarantine room when, presumably, that disease was first released into the facility. Really, the whole situation is set up to make everyone there look suspect, even First Aid.

I think that's brilliant, by the way. I haven't a clue what the hell is going on, and I mean that in the best possible sense.

Pipes was good...Yeah, he was fine. Sure, we fulfilled the token 'wise-cracker' quotient a couple issues back, but he was good fun ;) Emphasis on the 'was' part by the look of things. I did like the reoccurring "wet and kinda [insert adjective]" motif. Very chilling.

Is there any indication there's been any attempt at "Hey, we're alive!" contact with Cybertron? Their subspace equipment is clearly working and though there's a bit of a handwave about time lags it's slightly contradicted by First Aid's message reaching them within two days, and that previous issues have show interstellar communication to be pretty much instantanious no matter where you are (though the -tion series did tend to treat the Universe as a slightly larger back garden). This was a minor quibble of mine as well, since it's been established that the Autobots have been in contact with Delphi (at least) since Last Stand of the Wreckers. Before and after. Surely, the Lost Light is within broadcasting range now?

Maybe the message has already been sent out and there's simply a time frame difference between this book and Robots in Disguise?

Hmm, Springer would probably be there as well wouldn't he?

Is he? I've only read the extras from the TPB version of LSOTW, but I know there's a prose story focusing on Springer's recovery in the hardcover edition. Does he end up on Delphi with Fort Max?

Though mainly I was just pleased that Max was not, in fact, Grimlock. That incentive cover with Pipes reflected in Drift's sword made him look like a dead ringer for Grimmy.

That's who I thought it was going to be. Comparatively, Kup and Guzzle's search for Grimlock was probably one of the more extraneous bits from LSOTW, meaning the overall plot wouldn't have been affected had it been omitted. I felt the purpose of its inclusion (aside from tying up a loose end) was to set up a plot thread to be addressed at a later time. Namely here.

Happy to be wrong, though :)

When Costa shows us the war, we get an issue of Autobots running around from street to street, thumping people. Roberts gives us The Five Dark Epochs, another sliver of the Luna-2 puzzle and anti-neutral pogroms to mull over. Yikes.I'll say it again, I didn't know Soundwave had it in him.

No, seriously, I want to see the point where the Decepticons went from being so-called revolutionaries to inciting the Cybertronian equivalent of the Holocaust.


On a completely different note -- it was brought up elsewhere, but it bears repeating; did anyone else notice the similarities between the 'Genericons' and the Jumpstarters? Completely went over my head the first time around.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-21, 09:46 AM
Was thinking that too, what with him oh so conveniently being locked up in the quarantine room when, presumably, that disease was first released into the facility. Really, the whole situation is set up to make everyone there look suspect, even First Aid.

I certainly don't think the DJD had anything to do with the zombie plague, I will bet Terome's left testicle that they don't have anything to do with anything till the cliffhanger of issue 5.


This was a minor quibble of mine as well, since it's been established that the Autobots have been in contact with Delphi (at least) since Last Stand of the Wreckers. Before and after. Surely, the Lost Light is within broadcasting range now?

Yeah, it's a bit odd that there'd be no one on board who'd want to send some space mail home or call up their maiden astro-aunt for a chat.

What I liked about Pipes was him being the first real member of the crew we've seen who seems interested in the whole exploration thing.


Is he? I've only read the extras from the TPB version of LSOTW, but I know there's a prose story focusing on Springer's recovery in the hardcover edition. Does he end up on Delphi with Fort Max?

As yes, I'd forgotten that, IIRC it has him on Debris with only an illiterate Robadbuster trying to read him stories for company.


On a completely different note -- it was brought up elsewhere, but it bears repeating; did anyone else notice the similarities between the 'Genericons' and the Jumpstarters? Completely went over my head the first time around.

I spotted the reuse of the idea, I don't know if it's of any significance or just a callback. I'm surprised they didn't use this cast iron opportunity to feature some Action Masters as the monoformers.

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-21, 12:49 PM
No, seriously, I want to see the point where the Decepticons went from being so-called revolutionaries to inciting the Cybertronian equivalent of the Holocaust.


Yep, maybe they can tie it in to when the autobots actually become proper heroic. Shades of grey are fun but so far IDW has painted early Autobots as the army of the oppressive government.

zigzagger
2012-04-21, 10:02 PM
I certainly don't think the DJD had anything to do with the zombie plague, I will bet Terome's left testicle that they don't have anything to do with anything till the cliffhanger of issue 5.

Mmm, you're probably right about that, since, according to July's solicitations, the DJD stuff will be picked up again in issue #7.

I spotted the reuse of the idea, I don't know if it's of any significance or just a callback.Was thinking more than just the branched spark thing, but yeah, I doubt there's any significance. It's probably Milne taking his usual artistic license. Still, check out their heads -- they're the same shape as Twin Twist and Topspin's.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-23, 07:20 PM
The Underbase review made the good point that if Pharma, good or evil, were to die, his expert surgeon hands would be going spare for Ratchet.

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-23, 08:17 PM
Another really good issue. There's a nice sense of piece and the condensed focus onto specific cast members is done well. The main plot is suitably creepy with a nice cliffhanger and Tailgates mini arc is nicely done - felt so bad for him when he tries to stand up to Cyclonus. Drift also gets some nice moments - his unnecessary flashiness suits him well and the interplay with Ratchet is interesting. Hope there's more behind this than just a straight clash of personalities.

As for Fort Maxs speech, I really liked it. Maximus suffered a little over the years - presiding over the least effective prison ever and then getting ripped to pieces by overlord. I wouldnt begrudge him beating the crap out of these 2 cons with his bare hands. The only thing I thought was a bit odd was the set up to first aid jump starting him. It all looked quite easy in the end so surely First Aid would have tried it on the sly anyway.

Couple of niggles though - Milnes art takes a bit of a dip, especially with the medbots design. Milnes shown himself to be great at recreating others designs but left to his own devices he tends to create over-styled gundam lookalikes. First issue I've found where I had to go back over the panels to find out just who was doing what - didn't help that Ratchet, Pharma and Ambulan all looked kinda similar.

Also, the quarantine thing seemed odd - surely he would have just written a message on his hand like "hey, you know you can over ride the lock and let me out" but there may be a swerve in all this that explains that next issue.

Terome
2012-04-26, 06:11 PM
Couple of niggles though - Milnes art takes a bit of a dip, especially with the medbots design. Milnes shown himself to be great at recreating others designs but left to his own devices he tends to create over-styled gundam lookalikes. First issue I've found where I had to go back over the panels to find out just who was doing what - didn't help that Ratchet, Pharma and Ambulan all looked kinda similar.


Yes, I'm not drawn to Milne's designs in the same way that I am to Su's, Guidi's or Roche's. They're not terrible but they're also not very versatile. Off the top of my head, the only ones of his that stuck with me were Thingy and Springarm in Chaos Theory.

And yeah, the similarity to Ratchet didn't help, though I can see what they are getting at by including one.

Summerhayes
2012-05-17, 01:44 PM
I absolutley loved the whole "Wreckers" love-in with this one. Made me want to dig up my copy, though . . .

zigzagger
2012-05-22, 02:32 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #5 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/21/an-early-look-at-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-5).

Terome
2012-05-22, 08:37 AM
Hecky!

relak
2012-05-22, 08:54 AM
And here i thought Fort Max got posessed by the ghost of OVerlord.

Red Dave Prime
2012-05-22, 01:49 PM
And here i thought Fort Max got posessed by the ghost of OVerlord.

Yeah, I would guess that is very deliberate.

Looks great though. Cant wait to pick it up.

Terome
2012-05-22, 04:16 PM
And here i thought Fort Max got posessed by the ghost of OVerlord.

I thought it was more of a comment on the fact that most Transformers have wasp-waists and all of the structural weakness that suggests...

Liked Fort Max's awareness that he is wide. Transformers tend to shrink to fit wherever the plot needs them to be, but a bit of careful forethought can things a lot more interesting.

Denyer
2012-05-22, 06:43 PM
****ing awesome stuff.

Auntie Slag
2012-05-22, 10:11 PM
Stupendously good fun. Brilliantly written and acted! Ranging from extreme 'Young Ones' violence to Scooby Doo antics.

"I'm too wide"; an absolute love of the entirety of Transformers chiseled into three words.

zigzagger
2012-05-24, 07:17 AM
Notes 'n' Stuff...

Fortress Maximus -- Kind of regret reading the preview beforehand, because he didn't do much beyond what was shown in those 7-pages. Clearly Roberts has plans for him and this was a means to get him back into the book(s).

Still, I gotta admit, that's one hell of a reintroduction.

First Aid -- Loved watching him take charge and I am oh so pleased to hear that he'll be joining the folks on the Lost Light. I have been charmed by his quirkiness.

Ratchet -- So many different dimensions to him in this series. Blunt, compassionate, hotheaded, wise, funny, heroic. There's a lot going on here and I love, love, love it. I must have more.

I guess he and Drift resolved their differences (????). A slightly cliched resolution, I suppose, but I'm not too fussed.

Also, Ratchet's avatar -- Aw, I thought we'd never see it again. I feel nostalgic. Since Furman's run, proceeding writers seemed to have forgot that the Autobots had those. We're even offered an in-story explanation as to why they haven't been in use all this time.

Ultra Magnus and Tailgate -- Another great pairing. Yeah, Magnus's O.C.D. schtick does kind of run the risk of turning him into a parody of himself (eg. UM: "FFF - I can't - My mouth just won't - I can't say it.", TG: "Fun?"), but I thoroughly enjoyed this subplot.

Also, Magnus actually has his full title emblazoned across the front of his desk. That's fantastic.

...Oh! And once more we see the world as Magnus sees it. We learned that he's happy when his iPod-thingamajigs are aligned neatly on his desk :)

Red Alert and Rung -- Beginnings of a new subplot/storyline. It's a pairing I've suspected since issue #1, so no surprises here. Did learn quite a bit about Red Alert, though, which is a plus.

--

If had to nitpick one thing, however minor, it's how smoothly things came together in the end. Perhaps a little too smoothly.

I would've preferred Roberts had eased off, just a hair, on the foreshadowing in the previous issue. Ratchet reminds the audience tells Swerve that his hands are seizing up. Good medics are determined by them, in fact, and thus they're irreplaceable. Next issue, Phrama (said to be great medic himself) ends up being the one behind all that Red Rust business, and like a good villain, falls to his death, leaving his hands behind for Ratchet to claim. As a bonus, First Aid gets to be the apprentice Ratchet wanted (since issue #1) so he may one day retire.

Don't get me wrong, it was a satisfying conclusion. Truly. I just thought it was little too convenient.

Terome
2012-05-24, 05:48 PM
Yep, great as always. Was again very impressed at how well-constructed everything was. Only bum note for me was the lines cribbed from Red Dwarf, though I suppose it was one of the only outright humorous bits in this issue.

Really liked the way future plot points were slipped in to Red Alert's eavesdropping... why is he so sure that Rewind won't get his disks back? That said, the 'me kill / kill me' thing was a bit hoary. I've faith though that there'll be some more twists to it. I've been dreading the arrival of Grimlock since day one. Now that he's been announced it's only a matter of seeing how he'll be crammed in there... being locked up in the basement the whole time would just be too Beast Wars: The Ascending, wouldn't it?

Though it seems they ran out of space in this one to cover it, I wonder what will become of all the patients of Delphi. I've a funny feeling that there's a plan for Backstreet and these Nucleon mines.

I've read elsewhere that there's a very conscious aversion to the use of 'transform' in this issue, which was all about transforming, not transforming and transforming too much. There are theories about Hasbro and trademarks and the like, and I wonder if they will turn out to be correct.

Holoavatars went out of fashion, did they? That's a diplomatic way of putting it, Mr. Roberts. I could never figure out why that particular concept was so thoroughly avoided by other writers - it opens up a lot of story potential, so long as they hire one of the artists who can draw people.

The colouring is really coming into its own - I don't know what material Burchum is using for his textures, but it really works. I particularly like the dead space in the texture for highlights. Reds are hell to get right, and this was a very red-heavy script.

Thought warfare! Now there's a grand old TMUK idea worth re-examining. I always found it legitimately terrifying in a Philip K. Dick sort of way. Bring on the Software Wars and references to 'To A Power Unknown.'

Warcry
2012-05-24, 07:18 PM
First Aid -- Loved watching him take charge and I am oh so pleased to hear that he'll be joining the folks on the Lost Light. I have been charmed by his quirkiness.
I was pleasantly surprised, actually...it was pretty obvious that Pharma was the bad guy, so I was expecting either Ratchet or First Aid to stay behind to take over the hospital. Now poor Ambulon is going to be all alone. :(

I'm glad to have First Aid along, since he's a favourite of mine, but I'm not sure yet what he's going to bring to the story that Ratchet isn't. Ratchet's "getting too old for this shit" arc seems to be over now that he's got the new hands, which would seem to leave both of them in the same "big-hearted unconventional doctor" territory. Ratchet and First Aid are both interesting characters, but I'm not sure there's room for both of them in one story. Hopefully Roberts will prove me wrong.

Magnus and Red Alert's scenes were a bit odd. They came across almost as a parody of how certain elements of the fandom percieve the characters, rather than scenes that we were supposed to take seriously. Taken at face value both of them have such horribly crippling psychological problems that they wouldn't have been able to function in society, let alone rise to positions of rank and influence among the Autobots. I hope they get to develop a bit more and move beyond being such one-note stereotypes as the series goes on.

My biggest worry about this series is that Roberts is cramming in too many interesting characters into not enough page space. Four issues in and guys like Brainstorm, Rewind, Chromedome and Whirl have barely even been in the story so far in spite of being billed as part of the main ensemble, while Skids and First Aid (and soon Grimlock) have waltzed in and taken a lead role. That's not a big complaint to have, though, as long as the characters who do appear continue to be interesting and well-written.

Terome
2012-05-24, 07:31 PM
My biggest worry about this series is that Roberts is cramming in too many interesting characters into not enough page space. Four issues in and guys like Brainstorm, Rewind, Chromedome and Whirl have barely even been in the story so far in spite of being billed as part of the main ensemble, while Skids and First Aid (and soon Grimlock) have waltzed in and taken a lead role. That's not a big complaint to have, though, as long as the characters who do appear continue to be interesting and well-written.

I would put my biggest worry on the threat of stuff like the Fort Max callback to Last Stand Of The Wreckers getting real old real fast. There are callbacks, and there are backpats.

zigzagger
2012-05-25, 07:32 AM
Now poor Ambulon is going to be all alone. :(

Nope. He's was on the away team's shuttle along with everyone else at the end of the issue. He's right behind Drift. Which probably means Backstreet, and quite possibly the other patients at Delphi, were on board as well.

So, uh, yeah...the crew continues to swell. And with that said...

My biggest worry about this series is that Roberts is cramming in too many interesting characters into not enough page space. Four issues in and guys like Brainstorm, Rewind, Chromedome and Whirl have barely even been in the story so far in spite of being billed as part of the main ensemble, while Skids and First Aid (and soon Grimlock) have waltzed in and taken a lead role. That's not a big complaint to have, though, as long as the characters who do appear continue to be interesting and well-written.
Totally. Thankfully I don't think we're anywhere at risk of this becoming, say, Beast Wars: Ascending. Though, at this point, I think it's fair to say that MTMTE has a loose ensemble cast.

It's one of those rare instances where I think it's all the better for it. It feels much more personable because we're getting the opportunity to meet characters outside of the (so-called) core cast.

I'm not quite sure if there's enough room to pull this off, but I can't say I've been too bothered by it yet either. Emphasis on 'yet'. I can say that I've liked just about everyone we've met so far. Sure do wish I could say the same about RID :(

I'm glad to have First Aid along, since he's a favourite of mine, but I'm not sure yet what he's going to bring to the story that Ratchet isn't.A new pairing, I'm thinking (I'm saying that way too much in this thread). Perhaps a student/teacher dynamic?

Magnus and Red Alert's scenes were a bit odd. They came across almost as a parody of how certain elements of the fandom percieve the characters, rather than scenes that we were supposed to take seriously. Taken at face value both of them have such horribly crippling psychological problems that they wouldn't have been able to function in society, let alone rise to positions of rank and influence among the Autobots. I hope they get to develop a bit more and move beyond being such one-note stereotypes as the series goes on.Mmm, I didn't find Red Alert nearly as over the top as Ultra Magnus. Our impression of him so far has been shaped by what Rung has told us, not by Red himself. Here, he seemed fairly reasonable to me.

Auntie Slag
2012-05-25, 12:36 PM
How does the MTMTE annual fit into all this? Will it be the very end to a story arc at issue 12? I only say issue 12 because I read somewhere (probably here), that we have a major arc every six issues.

You know, I'm not even aware what MTMTE is exactly. Is it a limited run of 12 issues, or are they going to play it by ear and extend it for as long as sales are decent and Roberts and co. are topped up on Pro-Plus?

inflatable dalek
2012-05-26, 06:41 PM
I was right about the hands biatches! And about the DJD not being involved.


I'm glad to have First Aid along, since he's a favourite of mine, but I'm not sure yet what he's going to bring to the story that Ratchet isn't. Ratchet's "getting too old for this shit" arc seems to be over now that he's got the new hands, which would seem to leave both of them in the same "big-hearted unconventional doctor" territory. Ratchet and First Aid are both interesting characters, but I'm not sure there's room for both of them in one story. Hopefully Roberts will prove me wrong.

Is First Aid staying though? He's just been made Autobot CMO, surely he'll be having to do his duties from Cybertron? I can see him getting a shuttle as they know the right direction from Delphi. I can see him taking Ambulon (loved the explanation for his name) with his as chief nurse or some such. It'd be a bit pointless for Ratchet to recruit someone to take over his old job if they then just hung out together out in deep space.

Hmm, who's been chief medic whilst Ratchet is off on the Lost Light? No wonder everyone on Cybertron keeps dying.

Magnus and Red Alert's scenes were a bit odd. They came across almost as a parody of how certain elements of the fandom percieve the characters, rather than scenes that we were supposed to take seriously. Taken at face value both of them have such horribly crippling psychological problems that they wouldn't have been able to function in society, let alone rise to positions of rank and influence among the Autobots. I hope they get to develop a bit more and move beyond being such one-note stereotypes as the series goes on.

Red Alert is explained though, he's regressed after a lengthy period where Rung had been able to calm him down to the point where he could function in society.

Magnus is a bit more of a problem (though it is very funny in a deeply silly way), but I'm wondering if he's just mind ****ing with Tailgate to make sure he really wants to be an Autobot?

A nice fun issue once again, lots crammed into it, nice use of continuity in the holo-avatars and some interesting set up with Fort Max being a bit on edge after his experiences.

Next month... presumably it's Red Alert threatening Rung on the cover then? If you're that paranoid your psychiatrist is going to become your enemy sooner rather than later.

Denyer
2012-05-27, 08:15 PM
I was right about the hands biatches!
It was commented on so often in the lead-up that it was either going to start getting annoyingly repetitive or get resolved... glad it was the latter.

Nothing much really to add, and nothing I'd change about the arcs so far. There's a healthy mix of short-term-pay-off and plot seeds, and the upcoming annual seems to indicate that the original premise for the series won't be strung out unnecessary... but'll hopefully lead to more questions.

Holoavatars went out of fashion, did they?
Was glad to see a fair explanation being given for it not being more widespread in use; it's potentially a plot-unbalancing technology, much like teleporting.

Red Dave Prime
2012-05-27, 11:44 PM
Not more to add but I'm really hoping that More than Meets the Eye gets a long run. The dialogue is always fun, and the characters and plots work really well in the transformer universe. It will be really interesting to see what happens after the annual. I hope we dont get a reset button and bring RID and MTMTE together too soon.

TLB80
2012-05-29, 04:52 PM
Well, this was pretty good like you'd expect, though the part where Drift shows up to cut down Pharma felt a little forced. The Ultra Magnus and Tailgate scenes were hilarious though.

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-25, 06:34 PM
Seriously, where is issue 6?

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-25, 06:41 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=12785&pg=1

Oh wait, found it.

Intriguing as always from JR. Something underneath Aequitas?

:clap:

Springer85
2012-06-25, 07:03 PM
I really like this series. It's easy to get in to and it has fun characters. I'm actually looking forward to each issue which is something that I haven't experienced in a long time with a Transformers comic. :)

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-25, 07:39 PM
I really like this series. It's easy to get in to and it has fun characters. I'm actually looking forward to each issue which is something that I haven't experienced in a long time with a Transformers comic. :)

Yeah, I'm exactly in the same camp. The characters are done really well, the little moments of comedy are genuinely funny without being intrusive and the plots are good sci-fi. When it was first announced I felt that it would be very much a Transformers version of Star Trek:TNG but it's turned out to be much more Red Dwarf with a larger selection of characters. And that is no bad thing.

RiD is ok but has yet to have any great issues or moments but I feel MTMTE has had mostly really good issues and some really nice moments.

Terome
2012-06-25, 10:13 PM
Your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #6 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=12785).

- ziggy

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Re: Preview for #6

This is pretty deft.

Deft.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-25, 10:15 PM
It also has a pretty Drift.

Terome
2012-06-25, 10:15 PM
Point to Dalek!

Terome
2012-06-25, 10:17 PM
Oh ho! I just realised this is the Roche issue. I thought Milne had been bombarded with cosmic rays and turned into Roche but this new information seems to satisfy Occam's Razor.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-25, 10:22 PM
Point to Dalek!


Did you know they won't let me edit the wiki because they read my stuff and go "Whoa! That's too pun-tastic for us". Though weirdly I found out today something I wrote is linked to by the site as citation. Poor fools.

I believe the source of Milne's skills was being bitten by a radioactive Pat Lee.

Terome
2012-06-25, 10:30 PM
I believe the source of Milne's skills was being bitten by a radioactive Pat Lee.

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," replied Pat Lee, as the both of them drowned.

Warcry
2012-06-28, 04:14 AM
Just finished reading this. I really liked the direction they took Whirl in. In spite of his massive douchebaggery, he comes off as a sympathetic tortured soul who's been used as the world's chew toy for far too long.

Fort Max I'm not so fond of. I realize that IDW Max isn't the same character as the Marvel or Sunbow iterations, but he's really, really not the same character, if you catch my drift. I get that he's damaged beyond belief, but every other version of the character I've gotten to know has been peaceful, good-hearted and wise, probably the next-best thing to Optimus Prime among the Autobot ranks. Compared to that, who is IDW Maximus? I can't answer that question, because this psychotic break is the only time he's ever shown a hint of personality. And at least for me, that takes away some of the impact that a moment like this should have had.

Drift makes a good point about Red Alert at the end. Without Rung around to take care of him anymore, the ship's head of security might end up going off the deep end...but that could be said for a lot of them, by the time all is said and done.

Overlord showing up? I'm not sure how I feel about that, to be honest. I'm sure Roberts has something interesting up his sleeve, but Overlord has such an overwhelming presence about him that I don't know how he could possibly enter the story without either dominating it completely, or being reduced to a shadow of his former self. Honestly, if Fort Max summarily blew his head off I wouldn't mind too much.

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-28, 05:33 AM
Well, didn't see that happening. Lots of surprise stuff in this issue, from how things resolve to the last panel. It's mostly very entertaining with Whirl being the main highlight. I cant say I fully understand Hot Rods (:lol:) decision to still go for the shot. Hope we see some repercussions on the part of Swerve - he cant be all chipper next time we see him.

And RIP Rung - I was quite disappointed by this as I think he was one of the more interesting ones and gave the more insane robots someone to play off
And regarding Overlord, given that the next issue features the DJD I think there could be a whole new angle on LSOTWs big bad.

TLB80
2012-06-28, 09:49 AM
Well, this was pretty good. Fort Max snapping was quite unexpected, since, let's face it, all of us expected Grimlock to show up.

Overlord's appearance at the end was just as unexpected if not more, and like Warcry I'm not sure if it was a good idea. This does make it pretty obvious who the DJD will be going after next issue though.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-28, 10:32 AM
I'll give my full thoughts later as I'm on the train to London, but my first thought is...

Solicitations that are help to keep plot twists a surprise rather than blowing everything months in advance? What happened to the IDW that I used to know? That ending wouldn't have worked so well without all the Grimlock misdirection.

Terome
2012-06-28, 03:48 PM
!!!!

That was great! And genuinely shocking.

All that, and a huge chunk of Whirl at the centre of it all.

My favourite part though was probably Drift's idea that the Knights Of Cybertron are powered by scepticism in their existence. That a high-valued page out of the New Age playbook.

I like how neatly it all clicks together - They pick up Fort Max, who has a thing about Overlord. Fort Max goes nuts over his thing, Overlord turns out to be on the ship (or through a dimensional warp or whatever.) It's like watching a good magician - you're misdirected by the sudden death and then they hit you with the big reveal.

Wasn't expecting Rewind's disks to come out so quickly either. Though I suspect there may be more to dig out on that particular plotline...

inflatable dalek
2012-06-29, 01:06 PM
The odd thing is it should feel hugely contrived. For Max and Overlord both turning up on the ship within two issues of each other (and there happening to be someone on board with security tapes from G9 as well). But it works. Go figure.

Rung's death was totally unexpected as well, he may not be toy based but he is Robert's Drift/Mary Sue character (and shows up the difference between him and Costa. The latter's created character is a ninja badass. The former's gets to give voice to the crews innermost thoughts and be part of silly jokes) and I'd have expected him to be bulletproof. Though the "No one [except Rodimus seemingly) can remember his name" thing was really stretched in this issue so this may have been a good thing. It'll be interesting to see where Swerve goes from here now he's a accidental killer.

Because I was going on the train yesterday and my copy hadn't arrived yet I wound up buying it digitally as well as I wanted to read it before any spoilers seeped onto twitter. And I'm glad I did.

Terome
2012-06-29, 01:33 PM
Rung's death was totally unexpected as well, he may not be toy based but he is Robert's Drift/Mary Sue character (and shows up the difference between him and Costa. The latter's created character is a ninja badass. The former's gets to give voice to the crews innermost thoughts and be part of silly jokes) and I'd have expected him to be bulletproof. Though the "No one [except Rodimus seemingly) can remember his name" thing was really stretched in this issue so this may have been a good thing. It'll be interesting to see where Swerve goes from here now he's a accidental killer.


Yeah, along with his habit of being present at every major event in Cybertronian history. When I saw the solicitation with a gun pointed at his head and the promise of a death, it didn't occur to me at all that he was in any genuine danger. While I like the character, it's good that Roberts is killing his darlings. There may be some time-travel/brightest spark fake-out coming but until then things don't look good for, say, Skids.

On that note, I'm fairly sure there is an unofficial list of characters divinely protected by Hasbro. I wonder how deep that list goes. Bumblebee would be a no-brainer but I wonder if guys like Rodiumus, Ultra Magnus or Prowl are watched over.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-29, 01:52 PM
On that note, I'm fairly sure there is an unofficial list of characters divinely protected by Hasbro. I wonder how deep that list goes. Bumblebee would be a no-brainer but I wonder if guys like Rodiumus, Ultra Magnus or Prowl are watched over.

IIRC, Kup, Springer and Perceptor were all marked for death at one time or another during the development of Wreckers, with one of the being spared at the insistence of Hasbro (another was down to IDW and the third because the authors changed their minds).

I'd have said Kup as the biggest "name" was Hasbro's boy, but IDW have killed him since haven't they? So that was probably the one they wanted kept intact ("you can't kill him because we want to do this whole zombie crap thing where he dies"). Probably Springer then as his coma always felt a bit "Duke's Gonna be A-OK!" to me. Bit of an odd choice of a bullet proof shield though, especially as I don't think he had a Classics toy out. But I suppose whoever deals with the licensees at Hasbro might just like him.

Considering you can always rebuild a robot I'd guess there's little in the way of hard and fast rules though.

Paul053
2012-06-29, 02:44 PM
Maybe movies are exception but Jazz was dead after the first movie and his toys kept coming out. Ironhide is dead in DOTM, too. In IDW, I thought Sunstreaker and Ironhide were dead but they are still functioning now.

Back to this issue. So is Max dead? Or just severely injured by Whirl.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-29, 03:10 PM
I've seen people ask if Max is still alive in a few places, but I thought the conversation between Rodimus and Drift was fairly clear on that. Rodimus wouldn't be worried about the possibility of him getting out of the brig if he was dead.

Terome
2012-06-29, 03:38 PM
But I suppose whoever deals with the licensees at Hasbro might just like him.

That sounds about right. Outside of the obvious 'toy on shelf' guys, it probably is as whimsical as that.

I wonder then if Perceptor is fair game again.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-29, 03:50 PM
Nah, now they've sorted Ratchet's hands we need an arc where Perceptro's eye gets fixed.

Anyone else notice that amongst the revised crew profiles we're told Skids has lost his gun?

Though if they're going to revise the "Meet the cast" bit as they go along, I do have to wonder why Brainstorm has been on there from the start. They could have waited till he actually did something surely? Trailbreaker's is hilarious. Cruel, and very silly, but hilarious.

I flicked through the first trade yesterday, and it was interesting to learn that issue two was created at the last second to replace the bumped up Sparkeater plot when they decided the first was too packed for them to fit in the "Skids VS 1984 Bots" stuff in as well.

I'm also amazed it's only got the first three issues in it as well as the "Death of" one. I was under the impression it was going to be the first five? That's a hella expensive paperback for something so thin.

Terome
2012-06-29, 04:12 PM
Though if they're going to revise the "Meet the cast" bit as they go along, I do have to wonder why Brainstorm has been on there from the start. They could have waited till he actually did something surely? Trailbreaker's is hilarious. Cruel, and very silly, but hilarious.

Brainstorm's been in every issue so I would put him as a firm supporting character at this point. Had a wacky idea this afternoon that the basement is actually inside his briefcase.

Ah, so they've acknowledged him losing his gun then. Man, what the hell is up with Skids? His line about Ultra Magnus in this issue was deeply odd. Could his gun be some sort of evil Targetmaster?


I flicked through the first trade yesterday, and it was interesting to learn that issue two was created at the last second to replace the bumped up Sparkeater plot when they decided the first was too packed for them to fit in the "Skids VS 1984 Bots" stuff in as well.

They were going to try and get that in the first issue? That is some first-rate cramming. Works much better this way, with the warning from the future mentioning Skids before he appears and some nice establishing work in the second issue and whatnot.

I wonder how long before we get an issue starring Boss. That kids' going places.

Knightdramon
2012-06-30, 01:24 PM
Hmmm...some observations on your posts, without multiquote:

Drift was written by Shane MCarthy, not Costa.
Perceptor hasn't got a damaged eye, it's an upgrade after he was damaged. Sort of like Blaster's chestplate.

I really really really loved this issue. This story\arc is all sorts of awesome. It's like a mix of Firefly with Lost with transformers instead of people. Did anyone besides Hound, during that game, even transformed in this issue?

It was quite a shock reading\watching Rung go like that. I got massive Rotorstorm flashbacks. Speaking of which, it's finally clear that Whirl was Rotorstorm's teacher\instructor in the flight academy. I also massively loved Whirl's whole story, he's quite honestly the Saywer of MTMTE so far. It's interesting that according to his own words, he's older than Fortress Maximus [he existed before the war]. Also, it wasn't [just] his psychosis that nearly killed Megatron before the war, he was ordered to. And his words to Orion make more sense now.

The "basement" must be Overlord's chamber. I hope there's a good backstory on him, as it's a complete WTF moment so far. The ship was bought from neutrals by Red Alert, Overlord was supposed to be imprisoned ON cybertron. I'm sure it's all planned but so far it makes no sense.

Hands up who thought the "rescued crew member" with the blue hand on the cover was Skids and not Max.

Finally, I can't tell you how excited I am that it takes me over 20 minutes to read these comics, compared to AHM's five minutes.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-01, 04:22 PM
Just curious, but does anyone know how the reaction to MTMTE has been withing IDW? Also, has there ever been a time frame set as to the minimum amount of issues they would get? Roberts is keen at dropping little leads all the time and I'd hate to see him not get the chance to cover everything he is setting up.

Terome
2012-07-01, 04:26 PM
Just curious, but does anyone know how the reaction to MTMTE has been withing IDW? Also, has there ever been a time frame set as to the minimum amount of issues they would get? Roberts is keen at dropping little leads all the time and I'd hate to see him not get the chance to cover everything he is setting up.

There was an interview with Chris Ryall somewhere or other where he remarked how well both titles were doing and how nicely they are being received, but then he's never not said that.

What's nice about MTMTE is that the story burns through those little leads at a very good clip. If the hammer comes down it'll probably set off all of its fireworks at once.

Denyer
2012-07-01, 07:04 PM
Shouldn't have read this along with LoEG: 2009... altogether a bit too nihilistic to be enjoyable. I'm sure it'll work better on re-reads in sequence with the following issues.

Terome
2012-07-01, 07:25 PM
Shouldn't have read this along with LoEG: 2009... altogether a bit too nihilistic to be enjoyable. I'm sure it'll work better on re-reads in sequence with the following issues.

I suppose there is a lot of pride and glee being taken with making these characters suffer. I quite enjoy it, as I always imagine Transformers writers producing their scripts by putting all of their toys on the living room floor and bashing them into each other to simulate the terrible carnage.

That's certainly how I'd do it, at any rate.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-02, 02:40 AM
I suppose there is a lot of pride and glee being taken with making these characters suffer. I quite enjoy it, as I always imagine Transformers writers producing their scripts by putting all of their toys on the living room floor and bashing them into each other to simulate the terrible carnage.

That's certainly how I'd do it, at any rate.

I would like to read them "scripts"....

zigzagger
2012-07-02, 05:00 AM
Not much else new to add, but I guess I'll weigh in, too...

Fortress Maximus -- Glad that Roberts took no time following up on this (now if he can only get around to explaining what Skids' deal is), but I'm sorta on the same boat with Warcry on this. I wouldn't say I'm completely adverse to this take on him -- I am so all for new spins on old concepts and characters, so long as it makes sense -- it's just that, I dunno, I suppose it's a role I never quite pictured Fort Max in, even if this iteration of the character was more or less a blank slate until Roberts and Roche got their clutches on him. I suppose there is precedence for the change, extreme as it is.

Not sure what I was expecting, really...

I initially found it odd that there was actual existing footage of Fort Max's torture, until I recalled that little snippet of information Snare offered in LSOTW. So, yeah, perfectly feasible that someone shady like Swindle came to acquire it. When Grimlock does show up - if the solicitations can be trusted - I would imagine him and Fort Max will have plenty to talk about. Assuming either is willing to. I'd be surprised (and maybe a teeny bit disappointed) if such an encounter doesn't take place. Just strikes me as an obvious pairing.

Whirl -- I found this section of the book to be pretty darn nifty. Pity it had to be relegated to a subplot. Always been impartial to the character - though, I was kind of intrigued by the idea that he was partially responsible for starting the war (i.e. Chaos Theory) and to the prospect that Megatron may one day get around to repaying the favor. But, I'm feeling something approaching to "liking" Whirl now. Who'd a thunk that a second-stringer like him had this much impact.

Cool stuff :)

Rodimus -- Okay, I like the character, I like that he's a little flawed, but, really? He just isn't learning from his mistakes. I think it's high time Rodimus suffer the consequences of his decisions -- or, I don't know, something. Maybe a 12 hour long monologue from Ultra Magnus...

Overlord -- Truly, it was a shocking reveal - and only few pages after Roberts killed off his darling (wasn't expecting that either) - but I think I need to let this one simmer a little longer. Really, I share all the same reservations Warcry has (again).

I gather this is more set up for the next issue, where we finally get to meet the Decepticon Justice Division (looking forward to that one, actually). I also gather that this is the basement that the ominous message from the first issue was referring to. I am confused, though -- is this hidden chamber really inside the ship, or some alternate-dimension-thingy?

Knightdramon
2012-07-02, 01:23 PM
I gather this is more set up for the next issue, where we finally get to meet the Decepticon Justice Division (looking forward to that one, actually). I also gather that this is the basement that the ominous message from the first issue was referring to. I am confused, though -- is this hidden chamber really inside the ship, or some alternate-dimension-thingy?

It's the lowest floor of the ship. Which seemed small in MTMTE 1, but now looks MASSIVE.

DJD can only come for two bots on the ship, Drift and the one in the basement. No other decepticons on board. Wasn't Grimlock supposed to be in this issue though? Or is dinobot month on July [issue 7 for both series]?

TLB80
2012-07-02, 02:21 PM
DJD can only come for two bots on the ship, Drift and the one in the basement. No other decepticons on board.

You forgot Ambulon.

StarscreamX
2012-07-02, 02:24 PM
I've got a theory about what the bloody hell Overlord is doing onboard that ship (Which was a genuine what the **** moment, but in a good way) that I thought I might as well share

The Autobots all thought Overlord was back on Cybertron that was the official story...most likely concocted by Prowl who as we all know is shady as hell and has no problem lying to cover up his dirty dealings. The Neutral ship also had a Sparkeater onboard, which according to Drift are "Drawn to pain and suffering" which made him think the Neutrals must have been doing something horrific onboard the ship. Now this could just be Drift talking a load of mystical bollocks (As he does so love to do) but if the Sparkeaters really are drawn to pain and suffering my bet is that Prowl arranged for Overlord to be handed over to some particularly nasty, brutal and sadistic group of Neutrals and basically said 'I don't care what you do to him. Just deal with him'

So the reason Overlord is on the ship, and why he is begging to be killed is because the Neutrals have been torturing him.

zigzagger
2012-07-02, 11:36 PM
Prowl arranged for Overlord to be handed over to some particularly nasty, brutal and sadistic group of Neutrals and basically said 'I don't care what you do to him. Just deal with him'

Perhaps. I considered Prowl, too -- still, that's pretty monstrous even for him, and considering his M.O. as of late, I'd find it odd he'd willingly hand over someone as dangerous and high-profile as Overlord. A lesser-Decepticon, absolutely, but not Overlord. I'd imagine Prowl would be more inclined to have him executed and be done with it, and not bother having him rebuilt.

It's the lowest floor of the ship. Which seemed small in MTMTE 1, but now looks MASSIVE.

Figured as much. Guess I assumed it was some sort of pocket dimension because Rung told Red Alert (last issue) that there was nothing but space underneath the Sparkeater's cell, which was said to be on the lowest level of the ship. Clearly the Lost Light's schematic - also brought during their conversation - was wrong.

Wasn't Grimlock supposed to be in this issue though? Or is dinobot month on July [issue 7 for both series]?Issue #8, I believe. Decepticon Month for the July releases (RID #7, MTMTE #7), Dinobot Month for August.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-03, 06:44 PM
Whilst I think Springer would be pushing it; as it would require yet another nearly dead hospital patient getting better, what odds do we think on Impactor turning up in the near future as well so we can have a "Everyone who is pissed off with Overlord" reunion? One of the extra stories in the Wreckers hardback set up some interesting stuff between him and Guzzle that could be followed up on as well.

zigzagger
2012-07-03, 07:51 PM
Whilst I think Springer would be pushing it; as it would require yet another nearly dead hospital patient getting better, what odds do we think on Impactor turning up in the near future as well so we can have a "Everyone who is pissed off with Overlord" reunion? One of the extra stories in the Wreckers hardback set up some interesting stuff between him and Guzzle that could be followed up on as well.

I think the odds are pretty good, considering what we've seen so far. MTMTE, in some ways, is the spiritual sequel to Last Stand of the Wreckers (and love letter to those who read it), as it continues to touch on themes and characters that were featured in it and its trade versions. Since it's already been established that Impactor and Guzzle are on their own little space adventure, just like the Lost Light, they're bound to happen upon each other at some point.

optimusskids
2012-07-03, 09:05 PM
I'm sure i saw a alt mode that lookd very much like Grimlocks in one of the Robot In Disguise issues on Cybertron after the Lost Light left. Must see if I can find which one.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-03, 09:30 PM
I'm sure i saw a alt mode that lookd very much like Grimlocks in one of the Robot In Disguise issues on Cybertron after the Lost Light left. Must see if I can find which one.

You're not thinking of Sky Lynxs head popping into frame when the lost light does its disappearing trick?

I also gather that this is the basement that the ominous message from the first issue was referring to. I am confused, though -- is this hidden chamber really inside the ship, or some alternate-dimension-thingy?

Yeah, looks likely. There was also the Delphi reference (which may have been more about Maximus than the actual issues on Delphi). There's also the coffin reference (I'm guessing thats linked to Crystal City), Skids being taken (?) and the great threat to the cybertronian race.

AH GAWD I LOVE FORESHADOWING WHEN ITS FOLLOWED UP!!! :swirly::swirly::swirly:

relak
2012-07-04, 12:23 AM
I might be missing something here, but wasnt it supposed to be Grimlock that was driven mad by torture at the hands of overlord and not Fort Max?

Anyhow, i do LOVE how Roberts follows up on the continuity.


The "basement" must be Overlord's chamber. I hope there's a good backstory on him, as it's a complete WTF moment so far. The ship was bought from neutrals by Red Alert, Overlord was supposed to be imprisoned ON cybertron. I'm sure it's all planned but so far it makes no sense.

Maybe they figured Overlord was too dangerous to remain on cybertron?
I liken Overlord being on the ship to Protoform X/Rampage on the Axalon in Beast Wars. There is someone with a hidden mission perhaps to dispose of Overlord somewhere in some particularly nasty fashion.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-04, 02:36 AM
Madness for both really, from different methods. Where as Maximus was torn apart and humilated, Grimlock (I gather from issue 4 of Wreckers) was made to watch all the executions and torture of the Autobots at G9 without being able to intervene - which Snare guesses made Grimlock mad.

relak
2012-07-04, 06:15 AM
Madness for both really, from different methods. Where as Maximus was torn apart and humilated, Grimlock (I gather from issue 4 of Wreckers) was made to watch all the executions and torture of the Autobots at G9 without being able to intervene - which Snare guesses made Grimlock mad.
True. I do however hope that either Fort Max or Grim gets his vengence against Overlord.
Or maybe they'd duke it out for killing rights.

Now that i read back to the previous issue, it was very VERY beautiful how this obsession with taking out overlord was foreshadowed right there in the panal where Fort Max wakes up and kills that bot the same way Overlord tore Guzzle apart.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-04, 03:03 PM
I might be missing something here, but wasnt it supposed to be Grimlock that was driven mad by torture at the hands of overlord and not Fort Max?

Overlord's a sadistic chap. He's got more than enough for everyone and everything in that Prison.

I want poor old Kick Off's story, bet that's sad.

One question going back to Last Stand of the Wrecker's though... did Shockwave remove Overlord's achilles virus then? I take it he left Garrus 9 and therefore Overlord was completely free to romp it over Megatron should he turn up?

So it he was near indestructible as a result of removing the virus, what did he want Aquitas for? He said he was interested in it for what it can hide. As far as I can see the only other issue Overlord has is a lack of enjoyment in being a sadist. Does he want to identify some part of his psyche that allows him to be more 'normal'?

StarscreamX
2012-07-05, 12:59 PM
I'm interested in what Aequitas was supposedly built to hide. I really hope that hint is followed up on soon


Yeah, looks likely. There was also the Delphi reference (which may have been more about Maximus than the actual issues on Delphi). There's also the coffin reference (I'm guessing thats linked to Crystal City), Skids being taken (?) and the great threat to the cybertronian race.

AH GAWD I LOVE FORESHADOWING WHEN ITS FOLLOWED UP!!! :swirly::swirly::swirly:

Yeah, we know what the Delphi reference was referring to now. And (possibly) what the basement reference is, if that does refer to where Overlord is being kept

Genuinely intrigued what that coffin reference is going to be. And what's going to happen with Skids. Enjoyed the twist in this issue that it was Maximus who went out of control...I think all of us were expecting it to be Skids, with the reveal about what the '1984' reference actually means back in issue five...I know I was thinking it would be Skids who lost it

I wonder what the whole deal with Skids is? Who took him, why he can't remember, what happened to him in the missing time. I don't think the Decepticons took him, because those giant 'bots with swords chasing him didn't look like normal Cybertronians. They were all identical, while Autobots and Decepticons both have all been shown as looking different from each other, even the generic ones. But they were transformers.

Hmmmmmm. I'm thinking either it ties in to Crystal City and whatevers happening there. Or: Could this finally be the Quintessons making an appearance, after all the hints?

Auntie Slag
2012-07-13, 04:00 PM
Quick question about the MTMTE: TPB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transformers-More-Than-Meets-Eye/dp/1613772351/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342194509&sr=1-1). The first reviewer says it only covers the first three issues...

Really? That means it's cheaper to just buy the comics individually then, or has this guy just had a stroke?

inflatable dalek
2012-07-13, 04:05 PM
Yeah, it's the three issues plus Death of Optimus Prime. It's a bit crap really.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-13, 04:09 PM
No way! But have you seen the Volume 2 cover? It's got the DJD on it. Does that mean to say you buy volume 2 and they don't feature at all?

What's going on? Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

inflatable dalek
2012-07-13, 04:27 PM
It might be a placeholder, the first book was advertised with the Trailbreaker-uses-his-forcefield one for issue 3 but wound up with (I think) an entirely new cover in the flesh. Though even if the second book also only had four issues in it that would include the DJD adorned seven as well.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-13, 04:56 PM
This is mightily annoying. I enjoy my LSotW TPB immensely and was happy to do the same this time around with MTMTE, but this feels like a swizz.

Simply, if I'd have known this then I'd have happily bought the issues as they came out (I held off expecting some extra content like Bullets and so on).

inflatable dalek
2012-07-13, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a prestige version at some point, assuming Wreckers did well. If IDW continue with their "Complete Collection" books the 9th one should have six issues each of MTMTE and RID (and very likely all of Autocracy), for around 25ish quid on Amazon. It's certainly not worth the paperback price anyway, at least not until second hand ones start showing up cheap on ebay.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-15, 02:09 PM
I think the reason for the the number in the TPB being cut down from 6 issues to 4 issues has to do with keeping the TPB price point ($19.99 USA) the same, this seems to be happening with some of the other major publishers.

Skyquake87
2012-07-15, 02:30 PM
Not a fan of four issue TPBs myself, unless its a four issue mini series, longer story arcs don't fit the format well, escpeically as unlike in the last decade, editors don't seem to be asking writers to aim for four-part arcs in the main with most story arcs still running to six issues. Might explain the 'explosion' of one-shot stories of little consequence that pop up very frequently these days that can be later used to pad out TPBs.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-15, 08:55 PM
Not a fan of four issue TPBs myself, unless its a four issue mini series, longer story arcs don't fit the format well, escpeically as unlike in the last decade, editors don't seem to be asking writers to aim for four-part arcs in the main with most story arcs still running to six issues. Might explain the 'explosion' of one-shot stories of little consequence that pop up very frequently these days that can be later used to pad out TPBs.

I was voicing a thought, or an opinion, not a fact.

But some companies like Boom Studios seem to think a 4 issue TPB is the best way to go titles like Mark Waid's Irredeemable and Incorruptible each only reprint 4 issues per TPB.

While a title like Marvel's X-Factor seem to go back and forth on that. I recall reading somewhere that X-Factor writer Peter David does write the series in arcs (with stand alone issues thrown in) but he tries to writes the arcs only as long as he thinks the story should be (meaning if he thinks an arc should be 6 issues it will be 6 issues, or if he thinks it should be 4 issues it'll be four issues) and he lets the department in charge of Marvel's TPB and HCs worry about it.

DC's Batwoman: Hydrology reprinted 6 issues (#0-#5) with #0 being a little more than Batman watching her and figuring out her secret identity and gives new readers the basic rundown on her backstory/history and insights into her character.

The MTMTE's TPB does add in all the bloody variant covers, promotional art, meet the crew, 2 pages of references, and stuff from Miline's sketchbook.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-15, 09:46 PM
Yeah, but all that aside it means the TPB costs more per issue than buying the individual episodes. Isn't that nuts?

Collected Comics are supposed to be less. That's the way it's always been, until now I suppose? Variant covers and all that rubbish... give me the damn episodes!

Denyer
2012-07-16, 05:02 PM
The MTMTE's TPB does add in all the bloody variant covers, promotional art, meet the crew, 2 pages of references, and stuff from Miline's sketchbook.
As long as they don't get into making story material collection-only. LSotW got a pass because it was an event (and, I suspect, driven by the creative bods in an effort to cement a future) -- but if singles readers become second-class citizens, then **** singles buying. And that way lies the death of comics.

Warcry
2012-07-16, 05:32 PM
And that way lies the death of comics.
I think that's a bit overdramatic. I agree that the traditional comics industry is in a tough spot. And the industry doesn't seem to be capable of understanding why let alone reversing the trend. But "comics" is more than just ink on paper, and the proliferation of webcomics (both "newspaper funnies" style and more expansive dramatic ones) shows that the format still has a lot of life left to it. In fact, I'd venture to say the medium is healthier than it's been in a long time.

Short of a miracle, I do think that the traditional model of selling stories 22 pages at a time through comic shops is probably not viable over the long term. But that doesn't mean that comics are going to die. Over the next decade I think we're going to see a lot of comics transition to a digital-only format, probably starting with B-list stuff like Transformers. But if the comic industry can come together and figure out a good way to distribute comics to a wide audience over the internet (and I'm not talking about the half-assed apps that they use now that miss the point by being less convenient than piracy) the industry will survive just fine.

Personally, I would love to see a Netflix-style subscription model, where users could pay a fee every month to access as many titles as they'd like (maybe with an additional charge to access back-issues?). I'm not sure how feasable that would be, though.

Denyer
2012-07-16, 06:20 PM
True, I'm mainly talking about paper singles and wrapping it up in a venomous soundbite, but digital's not necessarily much kinder to full-page comics production -- the basic costs (http://www.asauthors.org/lib/ASA_Papers/ASA_Comics_Page_Rates_2010.pdf) are still a significant upfront investment, particularly if there's licensing involved as well. Agree we'll see further movement towards new material being released digitally and then collected on dead tree; the tricky bit is the transition, during which sales are split between digital and a decreasing number of stores. Stores will tend to favour exclusives and slow down take-up.

With a few obvious exceptions on the art side, webcomics tend to leverage less intensive processes and make money from merchandising creator-owned characters. It's like with music; the album or comic is primarily just an advert.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-16, 09:18 PM
Personally, I would love to see a Netflix-style subscription model, where users could pay a fee every month to access as many titles as they'd like (maybe with an additional charge to access back-issues?). I'm not sure how feasable that would be, though.

I do like that idea, but the hoarder in me would want a copy of the stuff to keep as my own - digital or print. Rental access is fine but I like that I can look back on issues from years gone by - or even further (I have the GI Joe/ TF Gen 2 crossover issues - shit but nostalgic)

One thing they could try is sell everything digitally through a common source (Kindle does comics doesnt it?) but if you buy the physical copy you get a digital access code as well - kinda like how the movies studios do now with a blue ray purchase. You get the blue ray, sometimes a dvd and access to the movie file through the internet.

Warcry
2012-07-16, 10:13 PM
With a few obvious exceptions on the art side, webcomics tend to leverage less intensive processes and make money from merchandising creator-owned characters. It's like with music; the album or comic is primarily just an advert.
That's generally the case, I agree. Although to be honest, I think the mainstream comics industry already functions that way even if they're not willing to admit it. DC will probably bring in as much profit from The Dark Knight Rises than they would from selling ten years' worth of Batman comics, and toyline/cartoon/TV rights are also all lucrative revenue sources for them. Most of the money they earn nowadays probably comes from leveraging their IP rather than direct comic sales. They're not so different from the independant webcomic creators, just operating on a different scale.

I do like that idea, but the hoarder in me would want a copy of the stuff to keep as my own - digital or print. Rental access is fine but I like that I can look back on issues from years gone by - or even further (I have the GI Joe/ TF Gen 2 crossover issues - shit but nostalgic)
I agree with that, though I wouldn't necessarily want to own every comic that I ever read. Like lots of the movies on Netflix, there are a lot of comics that I'd be willing to try if I had access to them already. The number of comics that I'd be interested in reading more than once is I'm sure much smaller than that. I'd be happy to spend a small fee to 'rent' the right to read the issues when they come out and then go buy trades of the ones I enjoyed enough to want a hard copy.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-16, 11:08 PM
The rental aspect would be great for getting into something like X-men or one of the DC titles. A few months of rental would allow you to catch up without the cost of having to buy loads of TPB, never really sure if you're following in the correct order or missing out on other parts.

With regards DC and their comic lines (as well as Marvel), I agree its more about the managing their characters in a variety of media while trying to find the next big thing with the comics. Makes me wonder why IDW never try more original stuff - so much is licensed that there cant be anywhere near as much profit. Even if something takes off, there will be much less cash coming back into the company.

Grayfox
2012-07-21, 01:04 AM
Behold... The DJD!

http://io9.com/5927854/friday-comic-book-preview-transformers-and-cowboys

zigzagger
2012-07-21, 02:37 AM
I was hoping to see a few 'named' characters as DJD members, but no biggie. Though, they are named after Cybertronian city-states.

No shocker who they're looking for, of course. And if it happens to be...ahem, that other person, it'll be interesting to see how that'll play out.

This also answers what happened to Black Shadow since his cameo in LSOTW.

It is kind of an old literary trick, though -- you know, the kind that helps establish how scary the new baddies are. As usual, I'm not too fused, but Warcry may be beside himself ;)

Warcry
2012-07-21, 05:05 AM
Eh. It's better than the played out Space Mafia jokes I was expecting when he showed up. ;)

I'm not sure what's with Roberts and his habit of naming characters after locations on Cybertron, but it's silly and he should stop it. It's hard enough to take the DJD seriously when their leader has the Decepticon symbol for a face, so maybe turning them into the Cybertronian equivalent of the Gargoyles isn't the best idea? I'm certainly not taking them seriously as bad guys yet.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-21, 12:46 PM
I like that some of their alt modes are basically torture devices. Nice.

Thing is, if the Cons had troops as dangerous and powerful as these guys seem to be, how did they not win the war years ago?

Still, cant wait to read it. Dont mind the Leader with the decepticon mask on - it adds to the zealot-like speech he gives about Megatron. The DJD come across almost like the protectors of the Decepticon Faith.

Knightdramon
2012-07-21, 04:00 PM
AWESOME. I'M IN LOVE WITH THIS COMIC.

All seriousness, nice throwbacks. The Wreckers line up was before Impactor was leader [there's em...Polaris was it? in the shot], the 113th Batallion has Prime, Magnus, Kup and Pyro amongst other fighting...seriously cool.

I expected more members and a less brutal depicting of them. All of them look absolutely terrifying, and I'm not writing off the leader being someone we may know. He has a mask over his face.

My only gripe is that they're depicted as so monstrously powerful, I'm pretty certain not the entire crew of the lost light can defeat them. And they have some heavy hitters [Rodimus, Magnus, Drift, Sunstreaker, Max, Whirl] among them. Not sure how it can be settled in two issues.

Kind of seems like One Piece, where each new foe was outstandingly more powerful than the one before that took all the major players together at death point to beat him.

EDIT: Also, who are the guys on the B cover? All indications point to the justice division, but none of them are the same as the ones inside the comic, and the one in the front looks like sideswipe.
EDIT 2: Then again, Phase-Sixers in the IDW have a shutdown code imposed on them by Megatron. Sixshot was shut down by Starscream in Devastation and Overlord has had it removed when he asked Shockwave in LSOTW 3.

Terome
2012-07-21, 06:38 PM
Yeah, that's pretty nifty. Especially like that overwrought 'gospel of Megatron' bit.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-22, 12:19 AM
Eh. It's better than the played out Space Mafia jokes I was expecting when he showed up. ;)

I'm not sure what's with Roberts and his habit of naming characters after locations on Cybertron, but it's silly and he should stop it. It's hard enough to take the DJD seriously when their leader has the Decepticon symbol for a face, so maybe turning them into the Cybertronian equivalent of the Gargoyles isn't the best idea? I'm certainly not taking them seriously as bad guys yet.

Because all the best names are taken, at least according to Ratchet in an earlier issue. :lol::p:lol::p

I wish he would use more exisiting characters more than new ones he's made with Roche and Miline. I feel like that pretty much most or all of them are going to be killed off at the end of the story. It's the same with Phama, Ambulon, and even Rung. The new characters created by Roberts and company, to me at least, are quickly becoming the redshirts of the IDW G1 Transformers Universe.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-22, 01:08 AM
Because all the best names are taken, at least according to Ratchet in an earlier issue. :lol::p:lol::p

I wish he would use more exisiting characters more than new ones he's made with Roche and Miline. I feel like that pretty much most or all of them are going to be killed off at the end of the story. It's the same with Phama, Ambulon, and even Rung. The new characters created by Roberts and company, to me at least, are quickly becoming the redshirts of the IDW G1 Transformers Universe.

Is that Roberts fault or IDW/Hasbro? I mean, lets say he picks several name bots to be DJD but the intention is always to have the lost light crew destroy them and that doesnt sit well with Hasbro & IDW. In that case what can he do?

Also, I wouldnt be surprised if the head DJD isnt someone we know but under a mask. Although the voice thing and the double fusion cannon doesnt sound like anyone we know.

I'd mark out if it turns out to be Gigatron :)

On re-read I now see that they already identified the leader. Doh.
Also, anyone else think that Tarns body looks a lot like Blitzwing on Steroids?

Summerhayes
2012-07-22, 03:58 PM
I actually really like the Decepticon facemask. I'm kinda wishing I didn't read it though; that's the first time I've read the preview before buying the issue. It's not like a trailer is it? I've just ruined the first few pages . . .

I'm not too bothered by the names, considering they're all cannon fodder anyway.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-23, 09:08 AM
Further thinkings...

Why are Shockwave & Lazerbeak on the third cover?

And yeah, who are those guys in the second cover?

Is Rung still alive? The intro states that swerve shot him in the head but doesn't say killed him and that picture of his body looks unusual.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-23, 06:16 PM
Ok, the TPB has now dropped to 10.49 on Amazon. That's worth a punt as I was checking out the cost of the individual issues on eBay and now the TPB is more competitive.

Hopefully the next TPB will contain 5 issues where this one supplements with the Death of Optimus Prime. I like all this because James Roberts writes the most entertaining Transformers comics I reckon, and my personal favourites are Rung and Whirl.

zigzagger
2012-07-23, 10:42 PM
I'm certainly not taking them seriously as bad guys yet.

At the moment, I can't say I'm taking them seriously either. They're interesting, I'll give 'em that, and the concept of the DJD is actually pretty cool -- but they're so over the top. It almost borders on campy.

I'm sure I'll enjoy the issue, but still....

Aside from Tarn - with his deadly whisper and (ugh) double-fusion cannon - I'm wondering if these guys are truly as scary/powerful as the myth surrounding them claims, or if it's simply the myth itself that terrifies wayward soldiers and that in reality they're about as powerful as your average 'Con.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-24, 01:11 AM
At the moment, I can't say I'm taking them seriously either. They're interesting, I'll give 'em that, and the concept of the DJD is actually pretty cool -- but they're so over the top. It almost borders on campy.

I'm sure I'll enjoy the issue, but still....

Aside from Tarn - with his deadly whisper and (ugh) double-fusion cannon - I'm wondering if these guys are truly as scary/powerful as the myth surrounding them claims, or if it's simply the myth itself that terrifies wayward soldiers and that in reality they're about as powerful as your average 'Con.

I actually would hope thats the case. Over-powerful robots have been done to death in the IDW run - Sixshot, Thunderwing, Devastator, Omega Supreme, Metroplex... I kinda hope that the reason they can take down their fellow cons is a trip switch a-la Overlord. I'd like it to be something other than brute force that makes them so dangerous.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-24, 10:24 PM
I think that's a bit overdramatic. I agree that the traditional comics industry is in a tough spot. And the industry doesn't seem to be capable of understanding why let alone reversing the trend. But "comics" is more than just ink on paper, and the proliferation of webcomics (both "newspaper funnies" style and more expansive dramatic ones) shows that the format still has a lot of life left to it. In fact, I'd venture to say the medium is healthier than it's been in a long time.

Short of a miracle, I do think that the traditional model of selling stories 22 pages at a time through comic shops is probably not viable over the long term. But that doesn't mean that comics are going to die. Over the next decade I think we're going to see a lot of comics transition to a digital-only format, probably starting with B-list stuff like Transformers. But if the comic industry can come together and figure out a good way to distribute comics to a wide audience over the internet (and I'm not talking about the half-assed apps that they use now that miss the point by being less convenient than piracy) the industry will survive just fine.

Personally, I would love to see a Netflix-style subscription model, where users could pay a fee every month to access as many titles as they'd like (maybe with an additional charge to access back-issues?). I'm not sure how feasable that would be, though.

No, Denyer hits the nail on the head. It's simple if you only buy the TPBs and HCs and don't buy the single issues the series will be cancelled. A lot of series have been cancelled because of "the wait for TPB/HC" mentality.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-24, 10:44 PM
No, Denyer hits the nail on the head. It's simple if you only buy the TPBs and HCs and don't buy the single issues the series will be cancelled. A lot of series have been cancelled because of "the wait for TPB/HC" mentality.

And yet for so long it feels like IDW have geared their singles runs around TPB - the furman stuff definitely suffered problems by having to be 6 issue arcs (or at least I felt so anyway)

relak
2012-07-25, 02:21 AM
The MTMTE's TPB does add in all the bloody variant covers, promotional art, meet the crew, 2 pages of references, and stuff from Miline's sketchbook.
Collected Comics are supposed to be less. That's the way it's always been, until now I suppose? Variant covers and all that rubbish... give me the damn episodes!
I choose to see it like watching a movie or buying the special edition blu ray.
The tpb is the blu ray stocked full of extras that you wont get with the singles.
Or use a TV series analogy.
Even Tv series are getting split mid season into 2 "part 1" and "part 2" boxsets instead of releasing it as a single season set like last time.

One thing they could try is sell everything digitally through a common source (Kindle does comics doesnt it?) but if you buy the physical copy you get a digital access code as well - kinda like how the movies studios do now with a blue ray purchase. You get the blue ray, sometimes a dvd and access to the movie file through the internet.
They already have that. Many comics come with a digital access code for you to get the digital copy for free.

Short of a miracle, I do think that the traditional model of selling stories 22 pages at a time through comic shops is probably not viable over the long term. But that doesn't mean that comics are going to die.
well both marvel and DC are experimenting with "straight to trade" style of release with Season One and Earth One respectively.
I do hope THAT is the future.

And yet for so long it feels like IDW have geared their singles runs around TPB - the furman stuff definitely suffered problems by having to be 6 issue arcs (or at least I felt so anyway)
It's official. They always have.
And its not just IDW.
Check out Bendis' run on the 2005 New Avengers or rick Remender on Uncanny X-force.

zigzagger
2012-07-25, 07:29 PM
Ah. This is what a book that's billed as part of the so-called "Decepticon Month" should look like. Very much a Con-centric issue. This was a nice little diversion and I welcome the shift in focus.

Notes 'n' Stuff...

Krok and his crew -- They sure are a chatty bunch of fellows (and, uh, yeah, that's one hell of an introdump there), but I thought they were great. Overly quirky maybe (I'm seeing a trend here), but still a whole lotta fun. It's nice to see some 'Cons with a bit more personality for a change who aren't - well, who aren't Starscream.

Most characterization we've ever got for some of these guys, too - especially Krok. Never quite pegged him as the leader type, but it works surprisingly well here. Misfire is the obligatory token wise-guy...because, uh, I guess, being the Lost Light crew's opposite, they needed their own Swerve? But, don't get me wrong, I liked Misfire. No, really, I did. Just pointing out a recurring theme here ;)

Crankcase (who's the grumpy one) got Furmanated, I thought. Guess he got better? Flywheels is the twitchy one who likes to make City of Fear references.

And Spinister....Spinister's the oaf. Okay. As I said in the issue #6 thread; I am all for new spins on old concepts and characters - so long as it makes sense. But this...I'm not sure where this idea comes from.

**shrugs**

Oh well. Still think they're a colorful, motley bunch. I approve. I'd like to see more of these guys. More so than the DJD, really.

The Decepticon Justice Division -- Mm, yeah - since I had read the first five pages beforehand, I've already said all I wanted to. We don't see them again after that (aside from Tarn's ominous message to Krok's crew). Still pretty much feel the same about them.

Rung (and Red Alert by extension) -- He's alive. Sort of. Honestly, I feel more sorry for Red Alert. He's such lonely character. He just seems so lost without Rung. It's kind of heartbreaking.

Terome
2012-07-26, 12:43 PM
This issue is a pretty good showcase of Robert's flaws: an ungodly number of characters introduced, blabbermouths being king, small universe syndrome (pointed out by himself in this very nice TFW2005 interview: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/tfw2005-interviews-james-roberts-175563/ and a Rob Grantian fixation on torture.

It's also, I think, a great showcase for how those flaws don't stand in the way of an enjoyable story that I'd like to see more of. Misfire may be Swerve with a jet mode but I'm glad that he and his wacky crew have hijacked the story for the time being.

Referring back to the interview, isn't it a shame that he isn't using Ravage? He really could have put that kitty back on the map.

Warcry
2012-07-26, 04:32 PM
And Spinister....Spinister's the oaf. Okay. As I said in the issue #6 thread; I am all for new spins on old concepts and characters - so long as it makes sense. But this...I'm not sure where this idea comes from.
My guess is that he's playing possum because he's the one the DJD is after. It's what I'd do if I was writing a scenario like this, anyway. It's obvious that NewCharacter McNoToy is the one who we're not supposed to trust, but Roberts is usually more subtle than that so I'm guessing that the real culprit is the guy who's allegedly too stupid to be a suspect.

If not... *shakes fist at Roberts*

I love the 'Con crew that Roberts has put together, though. Crankcase, Misfire and Krok are getting characterization for the first time since...well, ever, and it's great to see Flywheels again even if, like you say, he's nothing more than a City of Fear joke so far. All in all these guys are way more interesting and likeable than those silly DJD caricatures, so I'm hoping that they'll stick around for a while and the DJD will get curbstomped by Grimlock and quietly disappear.

It's also, I think, a great showcase for how those flaws don't stand in the way of an enjoyable story that I'd like to see more of. Misfire may be Swerve with a jet mode but I'm glad that he and his wacky crew have hijacked the story for the time being.
Agreed. The fact that he can write entertaining stories even though he's got such glaring, obvious weaknesses in his writing is a good thing, and it makes me hopeful that he'll improve on his weak spots as time goes along.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-26, 07:15 PM
Felt very much like a filler issue really. Most of the ongoing plots and characters are shoved into a couple of guest appearance pages whilst we get Decepticon month forced down our throats. It was well written as ever, but still wound up feeling fairly irrelevant. Effectively the same cliffhanger as last month as well.

And BOO for Rung's recovery after me praising Roberts for killing his proxy character.

Not really bothered by the names of the DJD, there's pleanty of humans with surnames like York or London after all.

zigzagger
2012-07-26, 07:44 PM
Re: What Terome and Warcry said (edit: Oh, and Dalek, too)...

Mmm, yeah -- agree with Terome that's there's a touch too many introductions going on here. It kind of reminds of the 1st issue, only this time we're introduced to a cast of Decepticons.

Team Krok are a hugely likeable bunch despite, you know...all the teeny tiny quibbles I mentioned between the preview and the full issue. I thought they completely upstaged the DJD - the guys we were supposed to be paying attention to. Which isn't at all a complaint. Far from it.

I'll go out on a limb and say Roberts may be onto something with Team Krok. Then again, things really aren't looking too good for them right now (they have the DJD and a pissed off Grimlock to contend with). Things aren't looking good for them at all.

It'd be great if they stuck around for a bit. That's all I'm saying...

Auntie Slag
2012-07-26, 10:13 PM
I haven't read this issue apart from the on-line preview but I think Rung is an ace character and well worth keeping around for the extra elements he brings out of the crew.

Terome
2012-07-26, 11:05 PM
Dalek:[/B ]Effectively the same cliffhanger as last month as well.
Rats! Hadn't noticed that. That'll bug me now.

[B]Zigzagger: Mmm, yeah -- agree with Terome that's there's a touch too many introductions going on here. It kind of reminds of the 1st issue, only this time we're introduced to a cast of Decepticons.

Thinking about it, and the fact that the DJD feel underwhelming in comparison to the more likeable crewmembers of the W.A.P., it's probably because we didn't really get introduced properly to the DJD. We were introduced to Tarn. The little chap speaking in old tongues had a bit of facetime, everybody else is a cipher so far. I get the feeling that the back half of the DJD is the cannon fodder and that Team Krok is going to prosper for the time being.

[B]Warcry:[/B ]it's great to see Flywheels again even if, like you say, he's nothing more than a City of Fear joke so far.

It's been ages since I read City Of Fear - what's the joke I'm missing there? Is it when Krok says he won't find what he's looking for?

[B]Dalek:[/B ]And BOO for Rung's recovery after me praising Roberts for killing his proxy character.

Yeah, totally. But comatose Rung might be just as interesting as Rung walking about. Red Alert, Swerve, Whirl, Rodimus and even sociopathic old Brainstorm are affected by his shooting. It's not as gutsy as it looked but it might let writer and audience have their cake and eat it too.

[B]Dalek:[/B ]Not really bothered by the names of the DJD, there's pleanty of humans with surnames like York or London after all.

I watched Richard II a few weeks ago and the titles-as-names convention felt very familiar.


[B]Zigzagger:[/B ]Agreed. The fact that he can write entertaining stories even though he's got such glaring, obvious weaknesses in his writing is a good thing, and it makes me hopeful that he'll improve on his weak spots as time goes along.

He'll get them ironed out before too long. I'd love to see this series run into the triple figures so we can see Roberts in Super Mode.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-26, 11:30 PM
Yet another crammed issue. There is a bit too much introduction work going on here - it would be nice to have the DJD in one issue and the other cons in another.

That said, the nicest thing about Roberts stuff is that ever panel can lead to something. There's so many little details that at times they can overwhelm the story (it could be argued that 7 issues in and the Lost Light has made no real effort on its main mission) My favorite bit was the resolution of the bar scene where skids uses his grappling gun to snare a waiter-bot. Its a seemingly nothing bit of background art but here we're shown that is Chromedomes plan all alone to get Skids gun. Its not the first time that little things get rewarded. For that alone I'm loving this series.

Back to all the new cast, I wouldnt mind if the DJD get to stay on for a bit as the background big bad - and Tarn could be a nice adversary to Magnus as both take the purity of their role so much to heart (or spark as it were). They dont need to be a squad of phase sixers to be a threat just be on the trail of the lost light as it heads to find the knights and crystal city.

All good stuff. Not the best issue and a bit of a let down after the excellent issue 6 but more than enough to have me looking forward to next months issue.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-27, 12:13 AM
It's been ages since I read City Of Fear - what's the joke I'm missing there? Is it when Krok says he won't find what he's looking for?


When he mistakes Fulcrum for a zombie.

Terome
2012-07-27, 12:14 AM
When he mistakes Fulcrum for a zombie.

Gah! Can't see the forest for the trees round here.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-27, 02:34 PM
Yeah, totally. But comatose Rung might be just as interesting as Rung walking about. Red Alert, Swerve, Whirl, Rodimus and even sociopathic old Brainstorm are affected by his shooting. It's not as gutsy as it looked but it might let writer and audience have their cake and eat it too.


I think I'd have less of a problem if he hadn't so firmly been presented as dead last issue. Indeed, considering his survival isn't treated as a great surprise or twist I suspect there was some sort of storytelling failure there and we weren't meant to think he'd croaked it (normally I'd allow for the possibility I'd missed something but IIRC we all thought he was dead). It's not as if there's any shortage of characters on-board who could have taken some of the focus Rung might get down the line.

My main worry is that there's so many subplots ongoing it may well be a mistake to introduce a whole load more along with a bunch of new characters before a few more have been resolved. It's in danger of falling prey to what undid Furman's -tions run, throwing loads of balls as high as possible into the air and hoping IDW won't chop your hands off and kick you in the balls before you can catch them.

And the DJD were just as fanwanky as Turmoil. Even moreso really as there was only one of him. And they somewhat undo the work to try and make Megatron seem a reasonable and sensible leader by having a really stupid concept behind them.

"Hey, you know those guys who are more super badass than even our most bad ass warriors? Who can even talk you to death? What we should do right, is use them to hunt down our own naughty boys. I mean, if Black Shadow can destroy a planet by himself these guys could probably win the war for us in a week but we shall never set them against an Autobot".

Honestly, what sort of army is more effective at killing its own troops than the enemy? And does Megatron strike you as the sort of guy who'd be that determined to have all traitors killed horribly when he not only keeps Starscream about but gave him a massive promotion after Infiltration (OK, mainly because subsequent writers forgot he wasn't second in command but rather very down the totem pole but that point still stands)?

Auntie Slag
2012-07-27, 03:52 PM
In Eugenesis (Robert's Transformers novel that he wrote about 12 years ago for anyone who doesn't know), I remember a section where Jazz gets shot in the head, and Ratchet had him on an operating table with nothing left of Jazz's head but a jawbone. He got better, of course (until someone turned him into a newt).

I'm guessing Rung's ability to survive will be adequately explained. Roberts isn't someone who would let that pass without a proper explanation, and I'd like to imagine that it's also going to affect the hell out of Rung too. It's not like his head will be put back together and he'll just carry on about his business. Otherwise Fort Max and every other robot on Garrus 9 who wasn't Overlord would be dusting themselves off like nothing had happened. That would also mean there'd be no need for someone like Rung and his skills, and it would render LSotW a bit hollow too.

Though there's an argument that perhaps Rung is so well adjusted that he is the kind of guy who could survive getting his head blown up with the least amount of mental jarring.

On another note, in 'Bullets'; Prowl chapter and versed a Decepticon to death, so that gives him a bit of a nod to Tarn (I'm not suggesting Prowl has Tarn's abilities in any way, just that he's a boring sod and there's as many way to kill a Transformer as there are perhaps to bring them back). But yeah, hopefully there's some proper reason why the DJD don't rip apart all the Autobots everywhere if they're that immense. But first I'd like to know what Black Shadow did to warrant their ire, considering his exemplary work wiping out billions of aliens and killing three Wreckers.

Warcry
2012-07-27, 04:56 PM
I think I'd have less of a problem if he hadn't so firmly been presented as dead last issue. Indeed, considering his survival isn't treated as a great surprise or twist I suspect there was some sort of storytelling failure there and we weren't meant to think he'd croaked it (normally I'd allow for the possibility I'd missed something but IIRC we all thought he was dead). It's not as if there's any shortage of characters on-board who could have taken some of the focus Rung might get down the line.
While I agree with you, I wasn't too, too surprised to see that Rung had survived because Roberts pulled the exact same trick in #2 with the crew who'd fallen out of the hull breach. At the end of issue #1 Rodimus and Magnus were acting as if they were all going to die a horrible fiery death burning up in the atmosphere...and in the next issue we saw them getting collected from the planet's surface with nary a dent, scratch or burn mark.

Honestly, at this rate I'm not sure if I'm ever going to be able to take a Roberts-penned "death" at face value. There's always going to be a nagging suspicion that it's a fake-out. I'm not a fan of bringing back dead characters, or of overplaying the "trying to trick readers into thinking that a character died when he really didn't" card, so for me that's not a good thing.

It's a personal bias on my part, I guess, but I really prefer it when characters who die stay dead. When characters pull a Sunstreaker or an Ironhide (or a Rung, for that matter) it undermines the impact that future deaths might have.

And the DJD were just as fanwanky as Turmoil. Even moreso really as there was only one of him. And they somewhat undo the work to try and make Megatron seem a reasonable and sensible leader by having a really stupid concept behind them.
Stuff like the DJD really underscore Roberts' roots. They, or at least their intro, didn't feel like something that should have been in an official Transformers book. A super-badass team of Decepticons who can kill world-destroyers without breaking a sweat, with silly names, a leader with a 'Con symbol for a face and a religious devotion to Megatron? That's pretty much every (non-sexual) bad-fanfic TF trope taken up to eleven. I seriously doubt he's going to play any of those tropes straight when we get to know the DJD better, because he's a better writer than that, but it's an idea that definitely came from the "huge fan" side of him rather than the "professional writer" side.

I'm guessing Rung's ability to survive will be adequately explained. Roberts isn't someone who would let that pass without a proper explanation, and I'd like to imagine that it's also going to affect the hell out of Rung too. It's not like his head will be put back together and he'll just carry on about his business. Otherwise Fort Max and every other robot on Garrus 9 who wasn't Overlord would be dusting themselves off like nothing had happened. That would also mean there'd be no need for someone like Rung and his skills, and it would render LSotW a bit hollow too.
I don't know about that, myself. The Autobots on Garrus-9 went through years of physical and psychological torture at the hands of a sadistic monster. What happened to Rung was awful, certainly, but it all happened so quickly that when he wakes up, he probably won't even realize what happened until someone explains it to him. It's traumatic, sure, but nowhere close to being on the same level as what happened to people like Fort Max or Kick-Off.

But first I'd like to know what Black Shadow did to warrant their ire, considering his exemplary work wiping out billions of aliens and killing three Wreckers.
He took half a billion shanix from the Autobots and wiped out a fleet of Warworlds, according to the comic. Although that does raise the question, how did the Decepticons have enough resources or troops on hand that losing an entire fleet of Warworlds didn't lose the war for them entirely?

Terome
2012-07-27, 05:08 PM
My main worry is that there's so many subplots ongoing it may well be a mistake to introduce a whole load more along with a bunch of new characters before a few more have been resolved. It's in danger of falling prey to what undid Furman's -tions run, throwing loads of balls as high as possible into the air and hoping IDW won't chop your hands off and kick you in the balls before you can catch them.


That is a legitimate concern. Roberts is keeping a better pace than Furman did (consider that MTMTE #7 is roughly equivalent to Escalation #1) but then he does seem to be throwing far more into the mix.


"Hey, you know those guys who are more super badass than even our most bad ass warriors? Who can even talk you to death? What we should do right, is use them to hunt down our own naughty boys. I mean, if Black Shadow can destroy a planet by himself these guys could probably win the war for us in a week but we shall never set them against an Autobot".


This is how a lot of people are reading it so I may be getting the wrong end of the stick here, but I didn't take it that the DJD were particularly powerful individuals. Their only real talent so far seems to be in tracking and in their grisly Zetas-style executions. They could easily have been in possession of Black Shadow's Achilles Heel and have rooted him out from whatever hidey hole he thought he was safe in. I think Grimlock, undeterred by their terror tactics, is going to make mincemeat of the chaps (though I can see Tarn escaping.)

Honestly, what sort of army is more effective at killing its own troops than the enemy? And does Megatron strike you as the sort of guy who'd be that determined to have all traitors killed horribly when he not only keeps Starscream about but gave him a massive promotion after Infiltration?

Surely every army is better at killing it own troops than the enemy? Mostly because you know where your own troops are. And if anything, the existence of the DJD makes a better case for Megatron's behaviour in Infiltration. If Starscream was Megatron's best friend from the old days, it's possible that he wanted to find Starscream before the DJD did.

Terome
2012-07-27, 05:10 PM
He took half a billion shanix from the Autobots and wiped out a fleet of Warworlds, according to the comic. Although that does raise the question, how did the Decepticons have enough resources or troops on hand that losing an entire fleet of Warworlds didn't lose the war for them entirely?

Presumably it happened rather recently and goes a little way to explaining how the very victorious Decepticons of All Hail Megatron became the very defeated Decepticons of the Costa Ongoing.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-27, 05:16 PM
I wonder what need a Phase sixer has for money? DJD and Megatron aside (it would seem), they can pretty much do and get anything they want.The only possible reason I can think of is some need for companionship?

I can't remember if I saw this in a fancomic or what, but there was a story where Sixshot was teamed up with the Terrorcons and he was portrayed as ultra-powerful, but also a rittle ronery.

I think the DJD are ultra powerful, and the only thing holding them back from destroying absolutely everything everywhere are their own appreciations for um... art? Megatron's Jeffrey Archer poetry, his promise of a better universe, pink fluffy clouds etc. Megatron's motivations under Roberts make more sense than any other Megatron in TF mythos. I'd vote for him, actually.

Warcry
2012-07-27, 05:21 PM
I wonder what need a Phase sixer has for money? DJD and Megatron aside (it would seem), they can pretty much do and get anything they want.The only possible reason I can think of is some need for companionship?
It was a reference to Black Shadow's usual characterization as a gun-for-hire and/or space gangster, I think. You're right that someone as powerful as he's supposed to be really has no need for money, but greed seems to be the only thing that ties together the various versions of the character that have popped up over the years.

I can't remember if I saw this in a fancomic or what, but there was a story where Sixshot was teamed up with the Terrorcons and he was portrayed as ultra-powerful, but also a rittle ronery.
That was Furman's Spotlight: Sixshot.

Paul053
2012-07-27, 05:22 PM
Since Black Shadow still has his shutdown code active (unlike Overlord), why didn't Megatron just shut him down but has to ask DJD to go all the trouble find him, capture him (despite how), and then do what they do best?

Terome
2012-07-27, 05:25 PM
I wonder what need a Phase sixer has for money? DJD and Megatron aside (it would seem), they can pretty much do and get anything they want.The only possible reason I can think of is some need for companionship?

I can't remember if I saw this in a fancomic or what, but there was a story where Sixshot was teamed up with the Terrorcons and he was portrayed as ultra-powerful, but also a rittle ronery.

I think the DJD are ultra powerful, and the only thing holding them back from destroying absolutely everything everywhere are their own appreciations for um... art? Megatron's Jeffrey Archer poetry, his promise of a better universe, pink fluffy clouds etc. Megatron's motivations under Roberts make more sense than any other Megatron in TF mythos. I'd vote for him, actually.

It's a good point. I guess he could have built his own planet and... ? Start his own gang? Seems like a silly thing to do when the Decepticons are on the verge on winning. Maybe he reckoned he would have no place in the post-war order, or would be forced to downgrade or something.

Actually, now that you bring up Sixshot, maybe he could have bought some brand new Transformers to be his mates.

Auntie Slag
2012-07-27, 05:30 PM
Yeah, its a bit of a waste of a good warhead isn't it?

But Megatron has a clear enough ideal, and Black Shadow stopped being part of that clear vision, so wipe him out. If you keep him around he'll only corrupt others.

String 'em up. String 'em all up. God I'd be good in the DJD.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-27, 07:59 PM
This is how a lot of people are reading it so I may be getting the wrong end of the stick here, but I didn't take it that the DJD were particularly powerful individuals. Their only real talent so far seems to be in tracking and in their grisly Zetas-style executions. They could easily have been in possession of Black Shadow's Achilles Heel and have rooted him out from whatever hidey hole he thought he was safe in. I think Grimlock, undeterred by their terror tactics, is going to make mincemeat of the chaps (though I can see Tarn escaping.)

It's possible, but the opening does seem to be doing the full Worf factor with Black Shadow by bigging up how terrible he is and therefore how even more terrible the DJD must be to have taken him down. It'll be hugely anti-climactic if they just put him to sleep first and they're secretly rubbish.

Paul053
2012-07-28, 05:56 AM
It'll be hugely anti-climactic if they just put him to sleep first and they're secretly rubbish.
That's seriously what I thought. The next one could be even "Hey! Autobots got Overlord tangled now. Let's go get him and torture him."

Denyer
2012-07-29, 07:58 PM
My guess is that he's playing possum because he's the one the DJD is after.

Could be after Grimlock.

I love that we're getting ships with Culture-esque names, and also the specific implications of WAP (i.e. the characters existing because of our universe.)

Not much problem with the survivability of characters, as the concept of a war lasting as long as it has if the cast can't be reduced to parts and coaxed back to traumatised life would be rather a stretch.

Mayhap Black Shadow didn't think he would be found out, and/or was looking to prolong the conflict?

Can anyone place the "he's using words to confuse us" and "there are some people who, on [improbable and worrying situation] would dive right in; I am not one of those people; I say we run away" gags? Feel like Python and Red Dwarf respectively.

Elpasian winds = beans?

I'm not seeing the overwrought comedy as a writing weakness, but then I like books that throw ideas out at the audience like a popcorn fire. We know we've probably got a lot of the Lost Light's original mission plot being moved forward in upcoming issues and the special, so I'm game for some fun in the meantime.

Terome
2012-07-29, 09:32 PM
I love that we're getting ships with Culture-esque names, and also the specific implications of WAP (i.e. the characters existing because of our universe.)


Weak Anthropic Principle is the Cultureiest name of all.

Can anyone place the "he's using words to confuse us" and "there are some people who, on [improbable and worrying situation] would dive right in; I am not one of those people; I say we run away" gags? Feel like Python and Red Dwarf respectively.

Both sounded like they came from the mouth of Xander Harris to me. Willow's good old "Bored now" was used by one of the DJD.

I'm not seeing the overwrought comedy as a writing weakness, but then I like books that throw ideas out at the audience like a popcorn fire. We know we've probably got a lot of the Lost Light's original mission plot being moved forward in upcoming issues and the special, so I'm game for some fun in the meantime.

Mainly I am looking forward to the popping ideas and the wit being wrangled a bit more effectively. There are more tools available in comics for presenting these than blocks of text. That said, Roberts does seem to have a much better grasp of sequentials than a lot of the Transformers writers so far, he just over-relies on dialogue at present.

Not much problem with the survivability of characters, as the concept of a war lasting as long as it has if the cast can't be reduced to parts and coaxed back to traumatised life would be rather a stretch.

Have your thoughts on the book's nihilism changed in light of the Rung fake-out?

inflatable dalek
2012-07-29, 11:30 PM
Both sounded like they came from the mouth of Xander Harris to me. Willow's good old "Bored now" was used by one of the DJD.


Wait, behind the Decepticon face mask... It must be Bumblebee as he used that back in the days when he had a foxy female driver!

As with so much of this series there was a good whiff of Red Dwarf in there, the "Some people..." bit especially was very Rimmer.

Denyer
2012-07-29, 11:40 PM
Prose with illustrations would do me fine. There are definitely some more traditional "modern comics" touches elsewhere -- we don't really need a page of Rung's body with an unknown party retrieving a memory stick -- but it's forgiveable.

Both sounded like they came from the mouth of Xander Harris to me.
Could be, could be, and in retrospect the glibness is very BtVS-like. That's the only thing that feels a little forced; that so many characters rattle this stuff off when previous fiction has been so staid, slow-moving and reluctant to treat them as much beyond static archetypes rooted in tech specs. Each has more to them than a few sentences of backstory.

Have your thoughts on the book's nihilism changed in light of the Rung fake-out?
It's a lot more in keeping with my reading of the character as introduced: Rung is there as an effective foil for other characters and (spindly civilian that he is) to be knocked around and his equilibrium upset in a comedy manner. Killing him off would make the previous instances of abuse read a lot more unpleasantly.

For all the trappings of torture, war and death, this is still pretty non-serious, escapist fare and changing the "rules" mid-way through would have the same effect on the compact with the audience as the latter part of Shaun of the Dead.

Terome
2012-07-30, 12:01 AM
Prose with illustrations would do me fine. There are definitely some more traditional "modern comics" touches elsewhere -- we don't really need a page of Rung's body with an unknown party retrieving a memory stick -- but it's forgiveable.


Yeah, that page is pretty clumsy. Though there is a fun amount of clue-mining from those panels that I'm reading elsewhere - the colour, scale and cuffs of those hands are being mulled over in a way that shows genuine engagement.

Could be, could be, and in retrospect the glibness is very BtVS-like. That's the only thing that feels a little forced; that so many characters rattle this stuff off when previous fiction has been so staid, slow-moving and reluctant to treat them as much beyond static archetypes rooted in tech specs. Each has more to them than a few sentences of backstory.

I think I've nailed what unbalances it for me in this issue - Tarn gets a monologue and Misfire gets a monologue but they are placed so close to each other that they sound too much alike for characters that are so different. I'm following the #mtmte hashtag on Tumblr now and, amid the hair-raising amount of dirty slash and portraits of Rung lovingly rendered again and again by teens, there are people who read the scripts aloud in the voices of different characters. They're not terribly good readings but they do show up how badly this comic wants an audio track.*

For all the trappings of torture, war and death, this is still pretty non-serious, escapist fare and changing the "rules" mid-way through would have the same effect on the compact with the audience as the latter part of Shaun of the Dead.

I quite liked the stomach-sinking change at the end of Shaun Of The Dead, but I suppose that comparison proves that Rung is utterly bulletproof from now on. If he is the lightning rod then his removal means that the rest of the show will soon be in flames. He can only die again if the end is in sight.

* Also, that Tarn's dialogue works quite well in the voice of a Ukrainian woman. You learn something new every day.

Denyer
2012-07-30, 08:49 PM
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mtmte

Reading the first (http://inomuiro.tumblr.com/post/28330530153/misfire-quotes) post, "Misfire quotes" and seeing them laid out, there's no doubt about the Xander homage.

Mmm, interesting... http://driftsmybitch.tumblr.com/post/28048290497/mtmte-7-tarn-holy-****-tarn-is-a-bitch ...auto-censor's going to eat that one.

Since I'd already split the dialogue down into voices, apparently, the monologues didn't cross streams. Krok's team did, a bit, what with the new guy and all.

It's not that Rung has to be spared, but it'd take a while and laying off being the physical comedy fall guy to steer him into a different character zone for it to not feel like kicking the reader in the nadgers for no particularly good reason.

Knightdramon
2012-07-30, 10:51 PM
My somewhat jumbled thoughts on this issue

--The DJD are NOT after Grimlock. It's probably one of the misfit band of cons or the newest dude, especially since he's "the one who survived". Grimlock just happens to be there.
--The entire D6 spaceship seems like a very nasty mix of ALIEN and DEAD SPACE. Sticky substances on walls, flesh\bloodlike, half destroyed corpses in pods, and a [somewhat, to them] alien pilot.
--The DJD quite probably used Blackshadow's shutdown code as soon as they found him. Otherwise they're too powerful for their own good. They look more like sadists to me than ultimate killers like Sixshot or Overlord.
--The entire Rung affair seemed like a cop-out, to be honest. There was a similar near fatality in bullets that the same medical team [ambulon and first aid] tended to, though.
--What's interesting is Megatron's actual philosophy and how his followers interpret it. As evidenced in AHM, Megatron believes that the Decepticons are way too monstrous and warlike to successfully exist when they do win the war. In AHM, Megatron stalled so that whatever unruly elements in his faction would not bear peacetime\victory, and he would iron them out before he could go on. His devout followers in DJD seem to believe that there's a place for them in his ultimate regime, but I'm not sure Megatron wants zealots like them around.

A very nice issue, nevertheless. This is definitely my favourite IDW TF series so far, excluding the LSOTW mini.

Terome
2012-08-01, 12:31 AM
Denyer: It's not that Rung has to be spared, but it'd take a while and laying off being the physical comedy fall guy to steer him into a different character zone for it to not feel like kicking the reader in the nadgers for no particularly good reason.

Okay, I get what you mean. The look on Swerve's face and Red Alert's new situation might signal such a zone-shifting.

Knightdramon:--The DJD are NOT after Grimlock. It's probably one of the misfit band of cons or the newest dude, especially since he's "the one who survived". Grimlock just happens to be there.

It just occurred to me that, from a Decepticon perspective, Grimlock has been remarkably difficult to find for the past few thousand years. As head of Prime's personal Dirty Jobs crew, he likely wouldn't have had a very visible presence among the ranks and the Dinobots don't seem to have left many survivors. After his move on Shockwave, he'd have been assumed dead by both sides until he popped up on Earth very briefly before going to an Autobot prison and then turning up on Shockwave's ship. Thinking of it that way, 'living' at all might be Grimlock's most notable feature.

Though really my money is on Krok. He is a shifty dude and, by executing the campfire, has done the most to lose our sympathy.

What's interesting is Megatron's actual philosophy and how his followers interpret it.

I liked is that the lovable rascals on Misfire's team had either forgotten or never bothered with Megatron's writings on the war and the endgame thereof, but maniacs like Tarn know them chapter and verse.

Red Dave Prime
2012-08-01, 12:45 AM
Rung is the Decepticon who lived. Putting that out there now :)

Back to the current hunt, to me Grimlock seems too obvious. Especially the way its set up. Of course, thats not to say that Grimlock wont end up helping the anti-lost light escape the DJD and maybe even joins with them for a bit.

Terome
2012-08-01, 12:59 AM
Back to the current hunt, to me Grimlock seems too obvious. Especially the way its set up. Of course, thats not to say that Grimlock wont end up helping the anti-lost light escape the DJD and maybe even joins with them for a bit.

That'd be interesting. I've been assuming that he'll end up on the Lost Light, but maybe he'll be more of a Weak Anthropic Principle kind of guy. I do wonder how these two boats will interact with each other. Will the DJD turn out to be a big red herring stew, with Krok, Misfire and Grimlock being the series antagonists?

inflatable dalek
2012-08-01, 01:09 AM
Now I think of it, Rung was a Decepticon psychiatrist in Eugenesis....

Can't see them being after Overlord anyway, his crime was more telling Megatron to STFU.

Terome
2012-08-01, 01:19 AM
Now I think of it, Rung was a Decepticon psychiatrist in Eugenesis....

Can't see them being after Overlord anyway, his crime was more telling Megatron to STFU.

Oh yeah... thought there was nothing behind his faction-swapping than convenience...

There's a very real question of where Overlord went in between delivering the STFU and landing on Garrus-9. If the DJD can detect an energy signature from light years away and he managed to give them the slip for however many years, it's reasonable to assume that he was never on The List.

Which is probably the ultimate dis.

Skids
2012-08-06, 01:09 PM
--The DJD quite probably used Blackshadow's shutdown code as soon as they found him. Otherwise they're too powerful for their own good. They look more like sadists to me than ultimate killers like Sixshot or Overlord.


My thought exactly. Not a single thing the DJD has done so far indicates IMO that they are more than a bunch of ruthless and skilled mercenaries. Getting rid of a six-phaser with a built-in deactivation mechanism isn't really all that impressive.

Btw, has it been established elsewhere that the DJD acts under the specific orders of any high-ranked Decepticon? Or is it still possible that Tarn's just a self-proclaimed vigilante entirely focused on staying true to the teachings of Megatron? And who the heck is behind the list the DJD is carrying around and referring to?


Though really my money is on Krok. He is a shifty dude and, by executing the campfire, has done the most to lose our sympathy.

Plus, there's this talk of him getting separated from his crew. How come he did it?

Moreover, given that - as I understand it - the DJD is designated to deal exclusively with internal affairs, it's hard to think of a reason for them to want to mess with Grimlock. The same can be truly said of the latter: why would Grimlock willingly get in the way of a commando squad hunting down treacherous, but nonetheless - Decepticons?

Is it just me or does the Brainstorm-Chromedome exchange remind anyone of the House-Wilson friendship? Especially the "I'm your only friend. You have to be nice to me" part. ;)

Red Dave Prime
2012-08-06, 07:00 PM
My thought exactly. Not a single thing the DJD has done so far indicates IMO that they are more than a bunch of ruthless and skilled mercenaries. Getting rid of a six-phaser with a built-in deactivation mechanism isn't really all that impressive.

Btw, has it been established elsewhere that the DJD acts under the specific orders of any high-ranked Decepticon? Or is it still possible that Tarn's just a self-proclaimed vigilante entirely focused on staying true to the teachings of Megatron? And who the heck is behind the list the DJD is carrying around and referring to?


I'd go with Tarn working off his own ideology to some extent. The fact he doesn't accept the war being over for a start indicates a zealots approach to a mission.

As for the list, I would be guessing that up until everything went to hell that there was some type of central roster of decepticon troops, listing their current missions and status. As they seem to only hunt traitors and not straight out deserters (such as Overlord, Sixshot or Bludgeon) than maybe Tarn devises the list on reports sent to him when ever someone defects.

Side thought: We dont know when the DJD came into effect (or has it been stated?) but I wonder where they somewhat of a response to the Thunderwing incident where a decepticon went off to do they're own thing and it snowballed massively on Megatron? Granted, thats not a specific traitor incident but curious as to when and how they got established.

Another Side Thought: While they may be coming across as overly powerful I'm guessing that as they only deal in Decepticons then they must have all the tech specs they need to exploit even the most powerful of Robots. Might explain why they can take down a phase sixer but dont get deployed against Autobot forces.

Summerhayes
2012-08-13, 01:48 PM
I know I'm a bit late, I saved this issue to read on holiday. Anyway, my thoughts;

Overall, there was a lot more Roberts-esque comedy going on, but after last month's bleak hostage drama + tragic death, we needed something light.
I hope the W.A.P crew hang about, this book was light on Cons considering the war is supposedly over.

After reading what others have put, I really hope the DJD do turn out to be all myth and kills switches.

Terome
2012-08-16, 10:21 PM
James Roberts has posted a nicely evocative pair of links on the IDW boards to remind us that MTMTE #8 is out soon.

http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=12414

I like these. Seems more tasteful than the previews.

zigzagger
2012-08-19, 06:29 AM
This is your all purpose Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #8 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4452&page=9).

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Red Dave Prime
2012-08-19, 06:17 PM
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Fulcrom is the con "who lived". A kamikaze (k-class) bomber who survives. Pretty interesting use for a decepticon but if thats the case wouldnt it be possible for transformers to make very effective smart bombs anyway. Although in fairness, I'm only guessing.

Other notes from this is that this happens after the annual. Which is a bugger. Anyone know when that bad bastard arrives in print form?

zigzagger
2012-08-19, 06:33 PM
Damn it, no! Run away screaming, don't fight them :(

Still...Krok does seem the likeliest to be on the DJD's list. He is suggesting they fight them. Never considered Fulcrum, though. Too obvious, I guess.

And yes, an idea of what Skids' deal is! Lovely -- and about ****ing time.



Other notes from this is that this happens after the annual. Which is a bugger. Anyone know when that bad bastard arrives in print form?

This month, I thought. Maybe next week?

Red Dave Prime
2012-08-19, 06:37 PM
Oh, well that's not too bad.

Hope its a bumper double issue. I likes them I do.

Blackjack
2012-08-20, 09:20 AM
Ah, finally. Revealing what the hell Skids' deal is all about.

What is this MTMTE Annual?

Goddammit you Decepticons don't fight the DJD! All of you are too fun to have around to be killed!

Or maybe they'll pull something awesome and have Crankcase and Misfire murder all of the DJD in one fell swoop, which I'm all for, by the way. Out of them, I think Spinister is the one likeliest to be the one hunted down by the DJD... maybe the smart Marvel Spinister is obfuscating stupidity so Krok and the others will underestimate him? But then Spinister doesn't seem like the type to betray the Decepticons...

Since when is Flywheels religious? Rereading the last issue (oh god how nice it is to say that I've been rereading something published by IDW because it's actually good) Flywheels does seem to go on his knees and go 'it's a miracle!' and 'it's an affront to Primus!' but don't think he was like that back in the Marvel era, no?