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praetorian
2012-02-02, 09:12 PM
Apparently out in May.

Optimus (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-optimus-prime-pre-order.html)

Shockwave (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-shockwave-pre-order.html)

Jazz (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-jazz-pre-order.html)

Bluecatcinema
2012-02-03, 12:21 AM
Looking forward to seeing Shockwave's.

Springer85
2012-02-03, 12:12 PM
For some reason, the links don't work :|

praetorian
2012-02-03, 01:15 PM
They were probably pulled.

Knightdramon
2012-02-03, 07:53 PM
Pictures from gameinformer article (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/540383-fall-cybertron-brawl-swindle-bruticus-revealed-new-game-informer.html)

F*CK yeah, B*tch! F*ck YEAH! :wave::up::clap:

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Warcry
2012-02-03, 08:09 PM
Pictures from gameinformer article (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/540383-fall-cybertron-brawl-swindle-bruticus-revealed-new-game-informer.html)

F*CK yeah, B*tch! F*ck YEAH! :wave::up::clap:
Moved your post to the news thread. :)

I'm curious how this is going to work out. Will we get a team of five combining Combaticons, or will this be like the ROTF Constructicons where we got a few members as standalone toys and then a giant Devastator without the individual robot modes?

Knightdramon
2012-02-03, 08:17 PM
The Brawl toy at least is suspiciously combine-able looking with that purple piece on his robot's rear, that looks ratcheted and ends up on the rear of the vehicle untouched and unused.

Paul053
2012-02-03, 09:15 PM
:up::up:

Praise if they are really doing it. Pray please don't screw it.

Skyquake87
2012-02-03, 10:12 PM
I wasn't much of a fan of the WFC Generations figures. They just looked weird. These Combaticons look better. I hope the gestalt (if it is one) isn't the same sort of poorly engineered shit that characterised the Energon and PCC combiners.

Thunderwave
2012-02-04, 02:46 AM
Moved your post to the news thread. :)

I'm curious how this is going to work out. Will we get a team of five combining Combaticons, or will this be like the ROTF Constructicons where we got a few members as standalone toys and then a giant Devastator without the individual robot modes?

They've apparently said that we'll be getting all 5 members in Deluxe size and they will combine.

Personally I was/am hoping for a Voyager Onslaught and the rest in Deluxe size.

Tramp
2012-02-04, 03:30 AM
Definitely sweet. Bruticus is back! I'm hoping for Grimlock.

Skyquake87
2012-02-04, 07:16 AM
They've apparently said that we'll be getting all 5 members in Deluxe size and they will combine.

Personally I was/am hoping for a Voyager Onslaught and the rest in Deluxe size.

Hmm...haven't Hasbro imposed a deluxe only mandate on these CHUG toys?

Thunderwave
2012-02-04, 12:26 PM
Hmm...haven't Hasbro imposed a deluxe only mandate on these CHUG toys?

Well, from my understanding "Robots in Disguise" is the new generic catch all line for anything that's not Movie related (the Movie line is continuing with the "Movie Trilogy" line), so stuff like Transformers Prime, probably more "Classics" style figures, and Fall of Cybertron toys will be in it. Note, however, that RiD already contains Voyagers in the form of Optimus Prime and Megatron from TF: Prime.

While I certainly hope they continue to focus on the Deluxe sized toys (they hurt my wallet less), some figures just don't feel right at that size. Also, it's not as if Hasbro hasn't "cheated" before when it came to Generations, i.e. technically Lugnut, Sea Spray, and Grappel where Reveal the Shield but are, when you get down to it, Classics style figures.

That said, I'm a sucker for the Fall of Cybertron character designs.

Knightdramon
2012-02-04, 12:50 PM
I'm more intrigued on how they'll be released. Five deluxes spread amongst two-three waves or a possible "Leader class" giftset with Bruticus?

From a marketing standpoint, there's more AWE in seeing a big figure in a package rather than five smaller ones with a graphic on the back highlighting a combination you'll be able to do in a month or two.

Warcry
2012-02-04, 06:36 PM
Well, from my understanding "Robots in Disguise" is the new generic catch all line for anything that's not Movie related (the Movie line is continuing with the "Movie Trilogy" line), so stuff like Transformers Prime, probably more "Classics" style figures, and Fall of Cybertron toys will be in it. Note, however, that RiD already contains Voyagers in the form of Optimus Prime and Megatron from TF: Prime.
If the news from UK Toy Fair was accurate, all of the FoC toys are going to fall under the Generations banner. If that's the case then we should expect everything in the line to be Deluxe-sized until we hear otherwise.

I'm more intrigued on how they'll be released. Five deluxes spread amongst two-three waves or a possible "Leader class" giftset with Bruticus?
Five Deluxes would be more in line with Unicron in terms of price, wouldn't they? I'd be really surprised if they released such a big gift to mass retail in a non-Movie year, but I guess stranger things have happened.

But you'd think that they'd want to avoid the distribution problems that made collecting the Energon combiners so hard. After all, isn't that why the PCCs were small enough that they could sell the whole team at a reasonable price point? Unless they plan on shipping the Combaticons as a single wave at the Deluxe price point, with an equal number of each character per case, I'm not sure what would work better than a gift set.

From a marketing standpoint, there's more AWE in seeing a big figure in a package rather than five smaller ones with a graphic on the back highlighting a combination you'll be able to do in a month or two.
That's true, but it's also a lot harder for kids to buy the $80 gift set than it is to buy one Deluxe a month until they've got the whole team. I'd assume that they'd make more money by selling each Combaticon individually.

Jaynz
2012-02-04, 07:00 PM
That's true, but it's also a lot harder for kids to buy the $80 gift set than it is to buy one Deluxe a month until they've got the whole team. I'd assume that they'd make more money by selling each Combaticon individually.

They could go the 1980s route and do both individual figures through the year and then a gift-set for a Christmas pack. Just to cheese off completists, the gift-set could also include exclusive Mechtech or Powerizer weaponry features.

Skyquake87
2012-02-05, 12:53 AM
I'd hope they do both...it'd be nice to have a gestalt that you can build up a bit at a time.i miss that.giftsets are nice and all,but there's something more satisfying about something you've had to put a bit of effort into to complete :-)

Brimstone
2012-02-07, 07:07 PM
Those are pretty sweet, and I am looking forward to those...but when are they going to release the rest of the DotM figures!?! Isn't it a little strange that we're this far along with no actually new figures? Where's Dino and Mirage and Soundwave and Leadfoot and any of the other Dreads?

The showing from DotM has been pitiful. :(

Jaynz
2012-02-07, 07:16 PM
They'll be in the "Movie Trilogy" line. More details will be made available this weekend at ToyFair.

Paul053
2012-02-07, 09:59 PM
Here is Onslaught.
http://tformers.net/g/generated/17140/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-onslaught-robot__scaled_600.jpg
http://tformers.net/g/generated/17140/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-onslaught-vehicle__scaled_600.jpg

More info can be seen here. (http://tformers.com/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-toys/17140/news.html)

Thunderwave
2012-02-08, 06:04 AM
Having now seen all 5 members of Bruticus, as well as the combined form, there are only a few things I'm not sure i like about it. The Blast Off combined arm looks funky, the shoulders are meh, and Vortex is gold and red rather then grey.

Other then that, it looks like a pretty decent combiner team out of Hasbro. I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised.

Warcry
2012-02-08, 06:29 AM
Here's a full-body shot of Bruticus (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/full-foc-bruticus-toy-revealed-174327/), and here (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/pics-of-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-and-blast-off-toys-174328/) are Vortex and Blast-Off.

Bruticus himself looks really awkward in those pics, while Vortex and Blast-Off don't look a thing like the original characters in body design or colour scheme. Vortex is just ghastly, and Blast-Off has so much gold plastic that he'll probably explode before you even open the package. And Onslaught looks laughably bad in alt-mode...surely that has to be mistransformed? Overall I can't say I'm impressed.

At least now we know why they led with Brawl and Swindle...they're far and away the best of the bunch. I can't see myself collecting the whole team but those two look pretty cool.

Tramp
2012-02-08, 06:34 AM
Me likey.

One of the things I particularly like about this combiner is that all of the "combiner parts" are fully incorporated into the individual component bots. You can even see Bruticus' left hand tucked away inside of Vortex' right leg.

Brimstone
2012-02-08, 05:35 PM
Interesting...I wonder why after staying so close to the originals in color scheme, they went so out in left field with Vortex.

I'll probably be picking these up, though. The Combaticons were always my favorite combiner team.

zigzagger
2012-02-09, 12:37 AM
Eh, I think the individual molds themselves are okay; they look like the futuristic-but-actually-ancient Combaticons that they're supposed to be. Do agree that some of the paint schemes leave a lot to be desired, though. In particular, the pink and gold that Vortex is sporting is, yeah, pretty tacky and Blast Off looks to be a victim of bad photoshopping. While I don't expect (or want) Generations/WoC/FoC line to be slavishly G1 - even if it clearly takes a lot of cues from it - I was expecting something a little bit closer to this (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:FOC_Vortex.jpg) (not that that is any less tacky).

And before someone chimes in; I really can't be bothered with the whole "Aligned" continuity stuff. To me, these are G1 throwbacks and little else. I'm content with that :)

Knightdramon
2012-02-09, 03:44 PM
Not sure how I feel about the finished product, definitely a lot less excited about it than from the sneak pictures.

I love his right arm [Blast off? The one that looks like a volcano erupts on the middle of the vehicle] while the one that is supposed to be the helicopter is SO butt ugly it makes my future grandchildren cry.

Onslaught, Rotor or whatever he's called, and the laughable hips on the combined mode kill it...

Tramp
2012-02-09, 05:39 PM
Chances are, he's partially mis-transformed, which is, unfortunately, all too common.

Jaynz
2012-02-09, 09:04 PM
I'll probably be picking these up, though. The Combaticons were always my favorite combiner team.

Oddly, they took the colors from the ENERGON Bruticus Maximus helicopter again and splashed them on Vortex. I've seen this done in odd places, and it's usually just him so miscolored.

HeavyArms
2012-02-11, 06:25 AM
I love combiners, and since Bruticus is one of my favourites and also my sig, I simply have to get him. Although his hips do look terrible, his shoulders look weird, they have made changes to Onslaught' s design, Blast Off looks weird and Vortex has terrible colours, I will still get them.

Slayer-Fan123
2012-02-11, 06:39 PM
Chances are, he's partially mis-transformed, which is, unfortunately, all too common.

Isn't it though?
It still looks pretty good either way, so I'll definitely pick one up.

Tramp
2012-02-11, 07:10 PM
Isn't it though?
It still looks pretty good either way, so I'll definitely pick one up.

Same here. :up:

Warcry
2012-02-11, 11:15 PM
TFW has pics up from ToyFair (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/toy-fair-38/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-toys-first-pictures-174364/).

There's more shots of Bruticus, along with our first looks at Prime, Jazz and Shockwave.

Shockwave is the only one who really impressed me, but he impressed me a lot. His alt-mode is great, maintaining the 'space cannon' idea of the original but updating it to match the 'War for Cybertron' look. And his robot mode is really slick, too. The only thing that leaves me scratching my head is the fact that he's carrying around a tiny version of his G1 incarnation's gun mode as a weapon.

But the biggest news so far wasn't the toys themselves, but word from Hasbro that these guys are the first two waves of a Generations line that's supposed to include forty new figures spread over late 2012 and 2013. There's no way we're getting ten waves of Generations deluxes in a year and a half, is there? So that probably means that the line is going to be expanding into other size classes.

[EDIT]Also they're making a Marvel Legends Death's Head figure, which in my books is an honorary Generations toy in every way that matters./EDIT]

zigzagger
2012-02-12, 03:14 AM
Shockwave -- Really the only reveal that I'm impressed by. It's a pretty spiffy update and should fit in nicely with people's Classics et al collections. It, well, looks like a Shockwave and that's what folks have wanted for some time now.

Jazz and Prime -- **shrugs**

Bruticus -- Didn't care much for the combined mode to begin with, and this certainly doesn't do much to sway my opinion. But, I'm confused; is that an unfinished prototype or what the finished product is more or less going to look like? I say this because, the individual figures' paint schemes seen from Hasbro's slides/stock photos (http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=17172&dispsize=600&start=0&sl=transformers-toy-fair-2012-transformers-generations) (same as Game Informer's) don't match up with the one(s) on display (i.e. purple Blast Off, red Vortex).

inflatable dalek
2012-02-12, 07:42 AM
Death's Head? Hell yes.


Oh, they're doing some Transformers toys as well?

Skyquake87
2012-02-12, 09:34 AM
ooh Death's Head...hope its the original...and with interchangable weaponary! (i would prefer the black and yellow body over the green body warmer look, or even the brown and red What If..? one)Ever since Four Horsemen's update of Trapjaw in the 2002 MOTU line I've been hopeful of an official DH toy.

Only concerns: Marvel's action figures are generally very ugly as they go overboard with making the things 'super posable', which means none of them can stand straight without looking like they've been in a horrible accident, with body parts shifting and slumping at awkward angles. I don't mind a bit of articulation, but really...who needs all this sh*t?



Oh, Shockwave... I am a bit disappointed by him. He's nearly there...but couldn't they have left him has a ray gun? he turns into nothing like the awful DOTM toy. BOOOOOOO!

Bruticus looks a bit of a disaster. The Jazz toy looks petty nifty, if having a bit of an odd looking head.

Blackjack
2012-02-12, 02:16 PM
Shockwave looks bloody brilliant.

Don't really much care for Cybertronian Optimus Prime toy number fifteen, or for the sub-par looking Jazz.

Death's Head!

Bruticus... that Onslaught looks like a cheap man's Kup. Brawl and Swindle look bloody fantastic, and despite what you all might say, I like Blast Off's design. I just hope the gold plastic whatever doesn't blow him up straight off the package. Vortex has a nice-looking design but that paint scheme made my eyes bleed.

Screw anyone who says WFC/FOC are in the same continuity with the Prime cartoon, these shit are G1. Unless they had, oh, a cutscene in the game where Starscream and Bumblebee and Soundwave and practically everybody else gets zapped and changed into there awesome looking Prime bodies.

zigzagger
2012-02-12, 03:01 PM
There's no way we're getting ten waves of Generations deluxes in a year and a half, is there?
It's possible if Hasbro pulls something like Reveal the Shield again, which was basically an extension of Generations. That came to about, what, 30 to 35 figures between Fall 2010 and Spring 2011?

...Mind, that's kinda cheating, as some of those were retools and redecos :o Though, I suspect among those 40 new figures, there's bound to be some Thundercrackers and Skywarps and the like, too.

Blackjack
2012-02-12, 03:04 PM
Mmm, they haven't repainted some of the molds from the first Generations and Gold package (insert subline here) like Scourge or Kup, so out of the forty toys there's bound to be quite a bit of repaints.

Warcry
2012-02-12, 06:23 PM
Oh, Shockwave... I am a bit disappointed by him. He's nearly there...but couldn't they have left him has a ray gun?
Not really. He's part of the video game line, so Hasbro pretty much had to stick to that design. And G1 Shockwave would look really funny alongside the spiky, alien-looking WfC Decepticons.

It's possible if Hasbro pulls something like Reveal the Shield again, which was basically an extension of Generations. That came to about, what, 30 to 35 figures between Fall 2010 and Spring 2011?
Counting Deluxes only, it's closer to half of that. From the first wave until they went on hiatus after Warpath there were eighteen Generations deluxes, and then six more that were released in RtS. So twenty-four all together.

It's only once you count the Legends, Scouts (well, Scout...Windcharger's the only one who got released), Voyagers and the Rodimus/Cyclonus two-pack you're getting a lot closer to forty, which is why I figure they'll have to expand to the other size classes again to make up those numbers.

Mmm, they haven't repainted some of the molds from the first Generations and Gold package (insert subline here) like Scourge or Kup, so out of the forty toys there's bound to be quite a bit of repaints.
Oh, for sure. There's no way they're going to make anywhere close to forty new molds. There are at least half a dozen molds from the last set that haven't been reused yet (Scourge, Kup, Laser Prime, Perceptor, Lugnut, Warpath, Jazz and Windcharger...am I forgetting anyone else?), on top of Rumble and Frenzy who'll probably see a release at some point. And of course most of the new molds will get redecos themselves. At a guess I'd say we'll probably see at least ten to fifteen more new molds over the course of the line.

Brimstone
2012-02-13, 05:34 PM
Not really. He's part of the video game line, so Hasbro pretty much had to stick to that design. And G1 Shockwave would look really funny alongside the spiky, alien-looking WfC Decepticons.Not only that, but they stuck almost perfectly to his design from the first game. Which I think is pretty freaking cool.

In the first game, he was a Seeker that was available as DLC for the on-line portion of the game. (or for free if you pre-ordered him from GameStop)

The stock photos of Bruticus (and in fact all the Combaticons) look flipping fantastic! Live photos...not so much. If those are the real colors...they look atrocious. :(

numbat
2012-02-13, 05:57 PM
Shockwave looks pretty cool, and I may go for Bruticus depending on how the components look in reality.

The other figures in the line are more than a bit 'meh'. Still, hope there'll be other goodies in there!

Cliffjumper
2012-02-13, 06:31 PM
Jazz and Windcharger

I think you will find both were reused in Japan as Stepper and Wipeout, actually.

Clay
2012-02-21, 02:58 AM
New stock photos for Combaticons (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/fall-of-cybertron-combaticons-new-official-images-174447/)

Hmm. Bruticus looks as if the arms are connected at about where they would be if they were legs instead. I wonder if interchangeable limbs were incorporated into the design and the connections can be moved depending on arm or leg mode.

Cliffjumper
2012-02-21, 04:20 AM
That toy is awful. Unicron Trilogy-awful.

Warcry
2012-02-21, 04:32 AM
That's fitting, since someone at Hasbro seems to have decided to paint it up as Energon Bruticus instead of trying to make it look anything like the video game's CGI model. I seriously don't see the point of going to the trouble of designing this thing to tie into the video game and then making sure that most of the figures have anything resembling the right deco. Brawl and Swindle at least were just about right in the first pics that were released, but everyone else was wrong. Now they're much brighter, Blast-Off and Vortex have totally different (and equally-wrong) colour schemes and only Onslaught looks right.

I'm just...totally confused by the whole mess.

I still think Brawl looks cool, and Vortex would probably be OK with a colour scheme that didn't damage the retinas, but that combined mode is so ugly that it's almost a parody of everything that could go wrong with a combiner toy.

Cliffjumper
2012-02-21, 05:40 AM
Trick is that as long as there are people saying "It's Bruticus, so I'll buy it!", we're ****ed.

Warcry
2012-02-21, 06:34 AM
I dunno. I always figured those guys were just cancelling out the "I like it, but everything Takara makes is automatically superior, so I'll wait and order the Japanese toys for three times as much even if they turn out to be exactly the same" crowd.

Ours is a strange fandom.

Tramp
2012-02-21, 06:39 AM
New stock photos for Combaticons (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/fall-of-cybertron-combaticons-new-official-images-174447/)

Hmm. Bruticus looks as if the arms are connected at about where they would be if they were legs instead. I wonder if interchangeable limbs were incorporated into the design and the connections can be moved depending on arm or leg mode.

Yes, the limb bots were designed to be interchangeable Scramble City style.

numbat
2012-02-21, 09:39 AM
So do I get lynched for saying that I actually like the designs?

I have no real interest in G1 Bruticus - he was my brother's bag, and you know what sibling rivalry's like (it's probably a major reason I dislike Jazz in all his forms too). I'm a Menasor man.

I know nothing about Fall of Cybertron, so that doesn't influence me.

So, on a stand-alone basis, I like most of those designs. Only Swindle looks a bit poor to me. The combined mode looks fine as far as I'm concerned, but it's the individual robots and alternate modes that sell it to me. They look quite different, and interesting - certainly a nice Cybertronian feel, and not the standard run-of-the-mill designs. Really liking Blast-Off.

The colours, though... Yeah. A bit bright. Ouch!

Still, I remain interested. I'll wait and see how bright they are in person - stock images have a habit of being cleaner and brighter than the final figures anyway.

Thunderwave
2012-02-21, 12:26 PM
Ours is a strange fandom.

I've been saying this for years.

Cliffjumper
2012-02-21, 03:03 PM
So do I get lynched for saying that I actually like the designs?

Hell yes! Fetch the ropes, someone - this guy doesn't agree with me, so it's time fer an ol-fashion lynchin!

Denyer
2012-02-21, 03:16 PM
Might pick up Brawl. Reminds me a bit of AM Charger.

Terome
2012-02-21, 06:23 PM
Maybe my favourite one is Blast-Off? He's just so weird.

Slayer-Fan123
2012-02-22, 05:36 AM
Also, I'm in love with that Shockwave.

Sir Auros
2012-02-22, 05:58 AM
Wow, I'd seen the toys in the latest issue of Game Informer, so I was actually pumped. They look pretty bad combined, though. Remind me of some of the Robots in Disguise combiners, actually.

At least the game looks like it's going to be an improved version of War for Cybertron, which was already a pretty decent 3rd person shooter.

Clay
2012-02-22, 06:34 AM
RE: Bruticus

I'm not keen on the combined mode, but I still have hopes that it's horribly mistransformed. I do, however, like most of them as individual toys just fine, although Vortex is rather hideous in those colors.

Knightdramon
2012-03-11, 10:08 AM
Starscream, b*tch!!! (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=298135633585717&set=a.193516854047596.45210.190726147660000&type=3&theater)

:up:

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Cybertron Con reveals continued here:
http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=50853

Mr_Hi_n_Mitey
2012-03-21, 01:57 PM
Apparently out in May.

Optimus (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-optimus-prime-pre-order.html)

Shockwave (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-shockwave-pre-order.html)

Jazz (http://www.toyzandgamez.com/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-jazz-pre-order.html)

As always, Optimus Prime usually looks the best!

zigzagger
2012-05-01, 08:58 PM
Official images of upcoming Generations/Fall of Cybertron figures @ the Transformers Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.277510328985835.62276.146805978722938&type=1) page.

Along with stuff we've already seen, images include Starscream, Kickback, Sideswipe, Fireflight, and Ultra Magnus.

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Not too many unique Autobot molds here, is there?

Warcry
2012-05-02, 04:35 PM
I'm surprised these guys weren't shown at Botcon. Or maybe they were? Kickback is the only one I remember hearing about in the convention reports.

Kickback looks pretty cool. A nice blend of elements from his G1 design with the more 'monstrous' appearance that Insecticons have in some of the other modern TF media. I like it, even though it may fit in better with Prime toys than Generations. I hope they make the other two Insecticons in this style and redeco him into Ransack (er, I think...the grasshopper Deluxe Insecticon, whichever one that was).

Magnus and Fireflight work surprisingly well, considering the base molds look nothing like them. Not great, but well enough to actually look like who they're meant to be.

Sideswipe has the movie character's chest design. That's interesting. I can see why they'd do that, but he really doesn't look anything like Sideswipe. Though the same can be said for most of the WFC designs.

Starscream looks just awful. He's a faithful rendition of the video game design but the video game design looks awful so I'm not sure what people see in him.

Blackjack
2012-05-03, 05:58 PM
I haven't really been following the FOC toys news ever since they revealed Shockwave and Bruticus, and I've convinced my hurting wallet that I'd only get Shockwave... but KICKBACK WOO!

Looking at the images... I think I'll get Magnus, just to get a functional Deluxe Class Magnus. Fireflight looks like an ace toy, but it doesn't look a thing like Fireflight. Not unless he pinched Chromedome's head.

I actually think that Sideswipe looks quite awful, but not as bad as the stilted Starscream.

Why is Brawl lime green? Swindle's also a shade lighter than what we saw earlier. Blast Off's now blue instead of maroon-brown, and Vortex has been turned into a lollipop. Which leaves only Onslaught with proper colours, and he doesn't even look like Onslaught.

Jaynz
2012-05-03, 11:15 PM
Ayup, Hasbro managed to convince me not to get Bruticus, my favorite combining team, due to this sheer ineptitude. I'll have to see how much the SDCC will cost or the inevitable Takara recolor will look before I decide just to give it a pass completely.

Honestly, probably the latter... I'll try to find an encore or original instead. :P

Warcry
2012-06-01, 03:33 AM
Finally some throwback toys pandering to my childhood! (http://www.larckyray.com/index.php?topic=2084.msg9785)

For strictly nostalgic purposes, I need to own that Swindle.

HeavyArms
2012-06-16, 07:32 AM
Do we know when the toys are expected to be released?

Warcry
2012-06-16, 06:54 PM
I think the first wave (Prime/Jazz/Shockwave) is supposed to show up around August/September some time, so the Combaticons would probably be a couple months after that. The third wave is apparently scheduled for early 2013 (though that's often translated to 'Christmas' in past years), though I don't think we know which of the later toys are going to be in which waves yet.

iaconhub2005
2012-06-21, 03:26 AM
I'm hoping to we see FOC figures soon. With no GIJoe Retaliation toys either (unless you were lucky to find some), I'm going through withdrawl!

optimusskids
2012-06-21, 06:43 AM
Sideswipe and Fireflight remind me more of Strafe and Lightspeed at least in vehicle mode.

Warcry
2012-06-21, 02:28 PM
Really? Because until they announced Fireflight I was really expecting the Shockwave redeco to turn out to be Scattershot, not Strafe. The alt-mode is so perfect for him that I'm still not sure what made them think 'Aerialbot'.

optimusskids
2012-06-21, 06:52 PM
Teach me to post in a hurry I meant Scattershot.

HeavyArms
2012-06-23, 07:01 AM
Thanks Warcry, maybe you or someone else can tell me if we are getting any of the Dinobots? I figure we should at least get Grimlock, but I would also like proper toys of the other four.

tahukanuva
2012-06-23, 01:58 PM
Nothing's been confirmed yet, but considering his prominence in the advertising and the fact that the voyager assortment currently consists of two Soundwaves, I'd say that Grimlock at least is basically inevitable.

borg72
2012-07-06, 06:18 PM
pre-orders (pictureless) went up for G2 FoC Bruticus on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007MCNI30/) this morning, sold out by 2pm (est). possible that more pre-orders might be made available at some point, so worth keeping an eye on the listing if you're interested. $60, which is pretty cheap. also: 52GBP to the UK.

(also listing DOTM jetwing optimus prime for $104 i think)

EDIT: bruticus listing now has pictures, with gloriously large G2 faction symbols

Notabot
2012-07-11, 07:47 PM
My TRU had these in today when I stopped by. I was very underwhelmed, especially at $15. They look tiny and kind of clunky. Shockwave looked pretty cool in robot mode, but nothing spectacular. Jazz looks hollow and flimsy, and Optimus looks like a knock off of the titanium one they released a while back. If the price goes down, I'd probably get Shockwave, but I doubt I'll pick up any of these early figures at regular price.
I can't remember the last time I saw a brand new line of TFs and didn't pick up at least one. Perhaps the spell has been broken!

praetorian
2012-07-11, 09:52 PM
My TRU had these in today when I stopped by.

Is this the one in Sioux Falls? I stopped there on Saturday, but didn't see anything but dusty DOtM and some Prime toys. $15 is still a stretch for deluxe-sized figures in my mind anyway...It's a shame because I was excited for this line too.

Notabot
2012-07-12, 03:10 AM
Indeed it is. Didn't realize you were from the SD area.

praetorian
2012-07-12, 07:23 PM
NW Iowa. About an hour and a half away. I'm hoping to get up there soon, but I'm not as eager now to see this line up and close.

praetorian
2012-07-12, 08:49 PM
Pre-order of G2 Bruticus up (again) at Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MCNI30/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals&ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Apparently BBTS is matching this.

zigzagger
2012-07-12, 11:03 PM
Generations, etc reveals at SDCC, courtesy of TFW 2005 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/san-diego-comic-con-33/sdcc-2012-hasbro-transformers-panel-live-175415/).

Some new (I think, I'm not the expert here), but mostly repaints -- in particular a Wreckers combiner...? Whirl, Twin Twist, Topspin, Roadbuster and Impactor. Their combined form: Ruination.

Warcry
2012-07-13, 12:23 AM
Thanks for the link, ziggy! Indeed, some new stuff there.

Is that a Prime Wheeljack in Slicer colours I see in there? That's so perfect I was just wondering why it didn't exist already, instead of that random yellow-and-orange thing with a random Stunticon name. BBTS-exclusive, if I'm reading it right? Might have to get that one...I really like the Prime Wheeljack mold.

The fact that we've yet to see anything past Wave 1 of Prime toys in Canada has soured me on that line so, so much, but that Voyager Magnus still caught my eye. I'd love to get one, assuming distribution will allow it.

G2 Bruticus (and his packaging even moreso) are giving me a huge nostalgia rush. How much time did I stand in the store staring at G2 toys with that exact package design? Don't think I'm actually interested in owning it, though. A shame I can't buy Swindle on his own, since he's the Combaticon I actually managed to get as a kid. In spite of the figure looking nothing like Swindle, that absurd colour scheme pushes all the right buttons with me.

The "Wreckers" combiner...really? They'll spring for new heads, but can't be bothered to paint anyone bar Roadbuster their proper colours? Just...why bother? They could be anyone.

Also, having a Wreckers combiner without Rotorstorm totally misses the point.

Soundwave, Blaster and all of their "tapes" except for Ramhorn and the birds look terrible.

Still not impressed by any of the Deluxes beyond Shockwave, Fireflight, Brawl and Kickback. Prime and Jazz in particular look incredibly bad (Sideswipe and Magnus look better but still not good enough that I'd want to buy them) though I'm not sure how they managed to take the same design that went into WFC Prime and come out of it with a toy that's even worse than the first one. I'm not a big fan of Cybertronian alt-modes to start with and I like High Moon's take on them even less than Dreamwave's, so maybe that's colouring things a bit. But just like the War For Cybertron toys that preceded them, most of these figures leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Maybe it's just the angle, but Voyager Grimlock looks unbelievably bad in dino mode. I'm not exactly sold on the robot mode either. He just seems so...bare and undetailed, like an Animated toy.

Not too impressed overall. :( Still hyped for Shockwave, but this dashes my hopes that he's going to be followed by much else I'll want to buy. Hopefully they'll get back to making toys that actually transform into something once the video game fad has passed.

zigzagger
2012-07-13, 01:14 AM
The "Wreckers" combiner...really? They'll spring for new heads, but can't be bothered to paint anyone bar Roadbuster their proper colours? Just...why bother? They could be anyone.

I know, they may as well be. They're the "Wreckers" if you squint reeeeally hard.

It's a real shame, too -- this would be Impactor's first official release. The Roadbuster is passable, I guess.

Thunderwave
2012-07-13, 01:20 AM
Got Shockwave. He's a tad on the skinny side, but I like him a lot. Then again, I'm a sucker for Shockwave and I do love his WFC appearance.

As for the rest?

Jazz looks...meh. I think I prefer Sideswipe. I don't mind the Prime and poor Magnus. At least this time they gave him a new head. I'm curious what else Generations is going to bring us besides FoC toys. Hopefully that Scourge remold I think looks like Senator Ratbat perhaps?

Also...

ROADBUSTER!

I do like the look of him (and Swindle), so I'll be snagging him. Like Straxus, I gotta get the Roadbuster toy if only because I love the character.

Housewife2000
2012-07-13, 09:18 AM
I dunno, as retool / repaints go, I think the Wreckers one is great. Not only is it a giant Marvel UK / LSOTW homage with the individual bots, but the combined mode head looks like a nod to Xarron.

Sure Impactor needs more purple, and Topspin and Whirl need more blue, but they all have good lookin' noggins, Impactor has his spear, Twintwist has his drills and Roadbuster's gun is big enough to be a Pathblaster. And I think the lack of Rotorstorm makes his joke in LSOTW better.

Hasbro really want their monies worth out of the FOC Combaticon moulds though - three paint schemes (standard Energon-inspired, BBTS exclusive G2, and SDCC exclusive G1/FOC game) plus a re-tool revealed and we haven't had the mass market release yet.

Cliffjumper
2012-07-13, 12:41 PM
Those are ****ing appalling - as bad as those terrible Asian exclusives. Pick a mould at random, slap a trademark people owe some sort of allegiance to onto it, watch them convince themselves that that's totally like Impactor, wait for the money to roll in because you've got to have a Topspin to go with your Classics even if it looks nothing like Topspin whatsoever.

It makes perfect sense from Hasbro's point of view - cheap, imagination-free recolours and retools which keep trademarks alive in case they opt to make a proper toy of Twin Twist or whoever if he turns up in Prime or TF4. Sound economic decision.

What doesn't make sense is that people just keep falling for it, and that they routinely talk themselves into it.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-13, 01:21 PM
With IDW seemingly contractually obliged to use the W/FOC designs I guess Impactor at least will be looking like this next time he Shows up, saving us having to Strain our imaginations.

ganon578
2012-07-13, 02:34 PM
Anyone else see these?

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/san-diego-comic-con-33/sdcc-2012-fall-of-cybertrongenerations-updated-hasbro-display-175465/

Grimlock, Blaster, Soundwave, Rumble, Ravage, and Ultra Magnus are going to put a hurtin' on my wallet...

Knightdramon
2012-07-13, 02:59 PM
Not much that interested me, the FOC Voyagers seem to have a gimmick forced into their upper body.

Wrecker Whirl is fine by me, G2 Bruticus seems awesome just for the packaging and that MP Thundercracker is long due.

ganon578
2012-07-13, 03:47 PM
Wrecker Whirl? I must have missed that one. What line is he in?

Warcry
2012-07-13, 05:32 PM
Wrecker Whirl? I must have missed that one. What line is he in?

They redecoed FoC Bruticus as the Wreckers. Badly. :(

With IDW seemingly contractually obliged to use the W/FOC designs I guess Impactor at least will be looking like this next time he Shows up, saving us having to Strain our imaginations.
Shit, don't give them any ideas. They'd do it.

Taking a second look, I just can't get over how phenominally wasteful the whole thing seems. I mean...I get that Hasbro needs to use the molds more than once to ammortize the cost of designing them, and I get that there's not necessarily going to be a good choice of characters to use them as. I don't begrudge them that, even if I'm generally not too interested in the toys that result.

But this is just so...half-assed. Blurr and Skullgrin prove that Hasbro can take a toy, repaint it into someone entirely unrelated and still get something pretty nice-looking out of it. But these? They're just so damned ugly, both individually and combined.

What really gets me though, is how much effort they went through to come up with something so half-assed. Everyone has new heads and everyone has new weapons, because somewhere along the line they were actually trying to give the figures some resemblance to the characters they're supposed to be. But then the deco department painted everyone orange for some reason (except for Roadbuster, who should be mostly orange but is mostly green). If they're going to slap random colours on the figures anyway, why even bother with any of that? It's not like the figures wound up looking anything like who they're supposed to be. And Roadbuster, Whirl and Topspin, I think, would've looked pretty good in the characters' traditional colours even if they weren't particularly G1.

zigzagger
2012-07-13, 06:01 PM
But then the deco department painted everyone orange for some reason (except for Roadbuster, who should be mostly orange but is mostly green).

Someone, somewhere else pointed out that they might be an homage to the RID Ruination/Baldigus (http://www.tfu.info/2001/Decepticon/Ruination/ruination.htm) guys. The overall color schemes kinda, sorta match up with the limb parts (white shuttle, green all-terrain vehicle, blue tank, blue helicopter).

Not so much on that "Impactor", though, which pretty much tosses the whole idea out...

Still not seeing much sense going to all the trouble remolding the heads and weapons (aside from securing copyrights) when they could have just as easily been Mega-Octane and company.

ganon578
2012-07-13, 06:04 PM
They redecoed FoC Bruticus as the Wreckers. Badly. :(

Wow. Those are kinda fugly. Not that Bruticus was beautiful to look at anyways, but damn. Maybe I will change my mind about them when I see them at retail.

In an odd sense, I'm getting excited again for TF's even though I won't buy a vast majority of these. At least it's an aesthetic I kind of enjoy without them being straight up Classics. And I like the Legends class 'tapes' for Soundwave and Blaster. That's a great idea.

Knightdramon
2012-07-13, 07:02 PM
I guess I'm the only one who's remotely interested in them? Wrecker Whirl gets a purchase by me for the head alone [hey, blame Roberts, I'm a Whirl fan] and the others might look decent up close.

RUINATION, whilst a Decepticon combiner name, falls [badly] into their ranks [rack'n'ruin?].

I find it funny that we've seen FOUR redecos of the Bruticus combiners so far [SDCC, Regular retail in energon colours, G2 and Wreckers] and the moulds have *just* been released in their first scheme. I mean, that's almost short of seeker repaint stats.

Still waiting on a decent video\pictoral review for the moulds.

Tramp
2012-07-14, 12:07 AM
IMO, those Wreckers don't look too bad. I'll snag them if I can afford it. That Grimlock is super sweet though, and he's definitely on my "must get" list.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-14, 12:44 AM
Maybe my eyesight is worse than I thought, Maybe my phone screen resolution isn't good enough, but I can't actually make out the names on those projections of the Wreckes. And other than Whirl, I'm not entirely sure who is who.

Thunderwave
2012-07-14, 01:58 AM
Maybe my eyesight is worse than I thought, Maybe my phone screen resolution isn't good enough, but I can't actually make out the names on those projections of the Wreckes. And other than Whirl, I'm not entirely sure who is who.

I found the official pics up elsewhere. They look...meh for the most part. I was all excited for a new Roadbuster and an official Impactor, but I might have to go ahead and get the iGear one instead. Now I've got a full time job (and a good raise 90 days in), it'll be easier to talk my wife into random purchases.

I'll probably get the Wreckers because I'm a sucker for combiners and the Wreckers, and a few of them don't look terrible (Roadbuster and the former Jumpstarters). Not sure if they'll stay their original decos or characters, or if I'll use them as fill ins elsewhere (like use Topspin for Blast Off).

Grimlock actually looks a lot better then I initially thought.

Soundwave, Soundblaster, and Blaster are...meh. I love the idea of getting the cassette leaders back with some cassettes. What I dislike is how the "data disks" end up looking. Also, I have no real desire for Soundblaster, but damn it I want Buzzsaw.

Warcry
2012-07-14, 05:34 AM
G2 Bruticus (and his packaging even moreso) are giving me a huge nostalgia rush. How much time did I stand in the store staring at G2 toys with that exact package design? Don't think I'm actually interested in owning it, though.
Well, I caved on that in record time. Obviously I need to stay away from the computer after going drinking after work...

Odds are I'm going to completely forget I preordered the thing by the time November rolls around, too.

I find it funny that we've seen FOUR redecos of the Bruticus combiners so far [SDCC, Regular retail in energon colours, G2 and Wreckers] and the moulds have *just* been released in their first scheme. I mean, that's almost short of seeker repaint stats.
Yes, but...well, it's Bruticus. How many different colour schemes has the original had? Off the top of my head I count seven. I'm sure they'll get around to Battle Gaia and Desert Camo Ruination one day, too.

Knightdramon
2012-07-14, 07:40 AM
To be fair, the original was only recoloured to hell and back around 15 years after the mould's release. Not within the same year :swirly:

Wreckers pics aren't final. Their vehicle modes are photoshopped Combaticons, they have different weapons in each mode and I'm certain hasbro isn't feeling that generous.

Jaynz
2012-07-18, 08:48 PM
I got to admit, though, regardless on if I like any of these figures, the recent price ramp on the deluxes have officially put them out of range for me. There's money to be better spent elsewhere... the fact that we're getting another price hike before Christmas is really a point of no return for me.

It's Bruticus, a personal favorite, but I can't remotely justify buying any version of him. Heck, for the price, I can very nearly get an original or reissue...

So, my Transformers buying seems like it'll be limited to Kre-O minifigs. :P

numbat
2012-07-20, 03:09 PM
'The Wreckers' look rather daft to me, but, hey, it's a toyline for kids who don't have 20+ years of fanboy bagage, and I'm sure it'll work for them.

I'd love to get a 'G2 Bruticus', but is there any way to order one affordably in the UK?

Glad to see MP-10 is getting it's US release - might pick him up assuming he's roughly in scale with MP Soundwave (and affordable). Can't stomach the import prices on the Japanese version, and I really like my MP-04.

Also very pleased to see Jetwing Prime with a US release (I gather?) - is he going to be widely available, and at what sort of price? Again, the import prices narrowly put me off the Japanese version.

Also tempted by RID Prime Ultra Magnus and Skyquake. Especially Skyquake...

I could end up buying Voyager Grimlock in a moment of weakness as well, but I'll wait and see on that one.

Warcry
2012-07-20, 03:20 PM
I'd love to get a 'G2 Bruticus', but is there any way to order one affordably in the UK?
Your best bet is to go through the preorder process on Amazon US (who'll ship anywhere in the world for a price, apparently) and see whether or not their shipping/handling charges to the UK are going to be insane. I was surprised that even with shipping and the border-crossing charges, I was still actually paying less than if I'd bought the five mass-retail deluxes here in Canada. Shipping'll be worse for you, no doubt, but maybe not bad enough to keep you from ordering.

The only other place it'll be availiable is BBTS, and since their preorders aren't going up until September (when Amazon's may well be sold out) and they generally have to mark up everything they sell to make up for a lack of volume anyway, the toy will probably be $10 or $15 more expensive before shipping.

numbat
2012-07-20, 04:46 PM
Thanks Warcry - I hadn't realised Amazon.com would deliver toys to the UK. I remember when they wouldn't send toys out here but would send books, CDs, DVDs, etc...

It's about 54.26 to order G2 Bruticus including delivery to UK, which is a pretty damned good price for five deluxes these days!

I'll see if I can get this one past my wife (who may not be so receptive after I ordered MP Soundwave and MP Sideswipe without consulting her)... Fingers crossed!

numbat
2012-07-20, 06:21 PM
In an amazing turn of events, my wife agreed that I could order G2 Bruticus! Woo hoo! That went surprisingly well. The end of this year is looking unexpectedly exciting for Transformers now!

:clap:

Once again, around 55GBP delivered to the UK is a damned good price for five deluxe figures these days, and that colour scheme is much nicer than the mainstream alternative. BigBadToyStore must be annoyed by Amazon's low price (for item and international shipping)...

Blackjack
2012-07-26, 07:54 AM
Haven't been following toy news- haven't been following any Transformers-related news, in fact, for a while now.

Bruticus: The nonsense G2 colours that look so garish in actual military vehicles look so much better on nonsense military-esque vehicles. Certainly a better fit with the alien alternate modes than the militarized colours that the G1 Combaticons had.... of course, not that Hasbro's Vortex or Blast Off got their G1 colours right...

Wreckers: Why the hell would they bother sculpting new Xaaron, Impactor, Whirl and Roadbuster heads if they are going to homage Ruination? Ruination, of all people, who no one gives a shit about. It's stupid, because, well, all they need is to colour it right! They went all the trouble to give new heads, got all the accurate Wrecker names, which is kind of a passable job for a cheap repaint-with-a-new-head-people-will-buy... then screw it over by repainting them into Ruination. The thought process of Hasbro designers never cease to amaze me. Hell, they even gave Impactor a harpoon gun and Twintwist two giant drills! No doubt waiting to release the 'correct' colours as some sort of exclusive deal or something like that.

Grimlock: WANT. His dino mode looks like he's got a tumour in his tail but he's a proper dinosaur Grimlock toy without Pretender transformation layout or silly Animated Godzilla jaws and I want it.

Fireflight: Actually looks quite good, and looks distinct enough from its original mould to warrant a purchase. Is it a crime to say I like this colour scheme better than its G1 colours?

Ultra Magnus: The mold suits Magnus better than Optimus Prime, that's for sure, although the vehicle mode still looks like an ugly mass of shapes glued together. I'll probably be buying this toy if I can find it anywhere.

Prime Slicer: Call it Wheeljack all you like... about time we got this, instead of the cringe-worthy Stunticon slapjob we got. That rest of the obligatory mold repaints... most especially yellow Knock Out looks appalling.

Prime Skyquake: Another Prime toy that actually looks good. About time, too... after the mess they made out of some show characters like Airachnid and Knock-Out, about time we got one or two good ones.

Soundwave and Blaster: They both look horrendous. At Deluxe Class price, I might buy them just for display purposes, but as it is they look so clunky and ugly.

Circular Cassette Army: The Frenzy-Rumble-Rewind mold looks like a brick, and sadly the Laserbeak-Buzzsaw mold looks unwieldy as well. Probably will get Laserbeak nonetheless. Steeljaw/Ravage and Ramhorn seem promising, though, although if I do get them they'll probably remain in their beast modes for all eternity... turning into breath mints isn't really a step up from turning into cassettes.

China 'G1' exclusives: Legends class aside (Motorbreath? Really?), the only one that looks buyable is probably only Springer, maybe Powerdive or Swerve at a stretch... they look like what they would look if someone like Nick Roche or EJ Su decided to redesign them with a new Earth-mode. The rest? The rest... Wheelie, Hot Spot, Brawn and everything, looks like they picked anyone with similar alternate modes and slapped colours and new heads and called it a day.

Jaynz
2012-08-03, 09:02 PM
I don't know. Saw a lot of Jazz, Prime, and Shockwave in the store and really wasn't too impressed. Questionable vehicle modes, kinda bland (and over-etched) robot modes, and a humeungeousosititaous new price point. $15.99 is just too much for a deluxe... I think I'm just seriously priced-out of getting this line.

Denyer
2012-08-03, 11:01 PM
Anyone else see these?

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/san-diego-comic-con-33/sdcc-2012-fall-of-cybertrongenerations-updated-hasbro-display-175465/

Grimlock, Blaster, Soundwave, Rumble, Ravage, and Ultra Magnus are going to put a hurtin' on my wallet...

I'll be more excited if we get all five Dinos this time... probably the best 'update' of the original we've seen at a normal retail price point.

Jaynz
2012-08-04, 12:05 AM
I'll be more excited if we get all five Dinos this time... probably the best 'update' of the original we've seen at a normal retail price point.

We actually haven't had the full Dinobot set since the RID side line, have we? Several Grimlocks and some oddball filler here and there, but all five as regular toys? I actually think we have to go back that far...

Thunderwave
2012-08-04, 01:06 AM
I'll be more excited if we get all five Dinos this time... probably the best 'update' of the original we've seen at a normal retail price point.

Hopefully!

Although I read an article that had bits of an interview with High Moon. Apparently Hasbro was against the Dinobots making an appearance at all. They wanted to retire the group but the devs for the game where insistent that all the Dinobots make an appearance. So that said, we might not get a toy of Snarl, Sludge, Swoop, or Slag at all, but if we do I know I, for one, will probably pick them all up to finally get all 5 together in one place.

Also, I've been watching Beast Wars finally. What do you think our chances of a Dinobot repaint/retool of Grimlock coming down the pipe? The character is starting to grow on me.

Jaynz
2012-08-04, 01:24 AM
Apparently Hasbro was against the Dinobots making an appearance at all.

I'm honestly starting to think that Hasbro doesn't want to do Transformers at all anymore. The lackluster toy showing for the last movie, the complete botching of the Animated line, the half-ass attempt for the "Generations" line now, and the insanely bad distribution and assortment work for Transformers: Prime ...

But, hey, we get four decos of Bruticus coming... none of which really game or character accurate, so that's, er, something.

They wanted to retire the group but the devs for the game where insistent that all the Dinobots make an appearance.

That's it.. retire the most popular sub-team Transformers ever had... maybe they've got four more Bumblebee decos to replace them?

Also, I've been watching Beast Wars finally. What do you think our chances of a Dinobot repaint/retool of Grimlock coming down the pipe? The character is starting to grow on me.

After Classics Dinobot? I'm thinking the answer is somewhere between "Slim" and "None". Hasbro really seems to be hostile to the Beast Era these days for some reason.

Warcry
2012-08-04, 01:43 AM
I don't know. Saw a lot of Jazz, Prime, and Shockwave in the store and really wasn't too impressed. Questionable vehicle modes, kinda bland (and over-etched) robot modes, and a humeungeousosititaous new price point. $15.99 is just too much for a deluxe... I think I'm just seriously priced-out of getting this line.
The price has been steadily climbing for a decade everywhere else in the world, and the only reason you haven't seen it earlier is Walmart. It sucks that you guys have to experience it all at once instead of $0.50 or $1 at a time like we did, but if you thought you'd be paying $10 forever for Deluxes while prices go up everywhere else and your dollar goes down, you were dreaming.

I'll be more excited if we get all five Dinos this time... probably the best 'update' of the original we've seen at a normal retail price point.
Unfortunately, probably not. We're already looking at stuff for mid-2013, I think. How much longer after that are we going to be seeing tie-in toys released for a video game that's coming out this year?

I'd love to get all five Dinobots and all three Insecticons, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards.

We actually haven't had the full Dinobot set since the RID side line, have we? Several Grimlocks and some oddball filler here and there, but all five as regular toys? I actually think we have to go back that far...
I don't know how many people would count those. I mean...dimetrodon Sludge? I wouldn't say there's been a single decent set of Dinobots since 1985. Grimlock's the only one who gets much love.

Jaynz
2012-08-04, 02:18 AM
The price has been steadily climbing for a decade everywhere else in the world, and the only reason you haven't seen it earlier is Walmart. It sucks that you guys have to experience it all at once instead of $0.50 or $1 at a time like we did, but if you thought you'd be paying $10 forever for Deluxes while prices go up everywhere else and your dollar goes down, you were dreaming.

I knew that there was a price increase coming, but the last 18 months have been nuts. It's a surefire way to kill your business model to go from 'impulse-level toy' to 'holy crap' on a deluxe in such a short span. If I'm looking at the prices as just rediculous, I can't imagine most parents are going to say "Sure, Timmy, here's $15 for yet another Optimus Prime.".

The fact that the more affordable basic line has become Cyberverse Commanders, which are pretty stiff on their own, doesn't help. It would have helped immensely if Cyberverse had a wider assortment of figures, I suppose... rather than yet another series dominated by Prime and Bumblebee.

Unfortunately, probably not. We're already looking at stuff for mid-2013, I think. How much longer after that are we going to be seeing tie-in toys released for a video game that's coming out this year?

It's possible if they keep pushing the DLC and the 'game universe' from both it and the Jagex game. I'm not exactly holding my breath, though. Hasbro's interest in Transformers really seems to have waned this year. I'm actually not sure what they want to be pushing now...

I don't know how many people would count those. I mean...dimetrodon Sludge? I wouldn't say there's been a single decent set of Dinobots since 1985. Grimlock's the only one who gets much love.

They weren't the greatest, but they were the last time the band was back together that I can think of. It's a little easier to think of them as the RID Dinobots, though, rather than the G1 team...

numbat
2012-08-04, 10:14 AM
I knew that there was a price increase coming, but the last 18 months have been nuts. It's a surefire way to kill your business model to go from 'impulse-level toy' to 'holy crap' on a deluxe in such a short span. If I'm looking at the prices as just rediculous, I can't imagine most parents are going to say "Sure, Timmy, here's $15 for yet another Optimus Prime.".
Replace 'Timmy' with 'Chris' and dollars for whatever amount of pounds sterling, and you are quoting my wife...

:lol:

Getting any more Optimus Prime figures past her will be near impossible - she doesn't see the difference between MP-04, ROTF Leader or RID Prime, or understand why I have so many of that red, white and blue guy. When she saw I'd ordered MP Sideswipe, she accused me of getting yet another Optimus Prime too...

Yeah, Bumblebees have really diluted the lines lately. Stores around here have sold out of Prime figures now, and restocked the shelves with DOTM Bumblebees or overpriced Botshots - justifying the money for a Deluxe is one thing, but when you're paying near the same for a set of two cheap plastic Botshot things surely Hasbro has decided to try and kill the line?

Ach well - sure it'll pick up again, and hey, I'm really looking forward to G2 Bruticus and Takara's upcoming Masterpieces. So the mainline may be floundering a bit, but I'm actually picking up more Transformers this year that I expected - albeit exclusives and collectors lines.

Maybe TF4 will reinvigorate Transformers toys if it really does follow new characters as Bay suggests (then we'd sidestep the danger of another line clogged with Bumblebees...).