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inflatable dalek
2013-01-23, 07:05 PM
Via the Allspark, the pre-order is now up on BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=tak11667&mode=retail

It was suspected by many, but I'd say the odds on the black version and police car Red Alert following soon after just went up.


EDIT:


Ohhhh, and Prowl and Smokescreen coming as well:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11668&mode=retail

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=tak11667&mode=retail

Knightdramon
2013-01-23, 08:48 PM
**** yes Prowl.

**** yes baby, **** yes.

Smokescreen's ace too. I suspect the reason he was put forward instead of Silverstreak was the popularity of Smokescreen in Prime.

Oh Prowl **** yes. My body was not ready for a licensed Fairlady Z.

Will preorder both as soon as they're up on HLJ.

inflatable dalek
2013-01-23, 09:05 PM
Plus, Bluestreak is just dull looking. Police deco and insane racing scheme FTW.

The Big Ragebowski
2013-01-23, 10:36 PM
Just pre-ordered these 3 bad boys! Really hope they do a MP Bluestreak too, I'm old skool so I like the character! Definitely looking promising for MP Deepcover and Clampdown!

Would really love to see a MP Mirage, Wheeljakc and Hound!

I actually wouldn't mind seeing an MP Slag and Trailbreaker!

inflatable dalek
2013-01-23, 10:40 PM
The question is, which version of Bluestreak should be Takara, which version Hasbro and which Ehobby?

The Big Ragebowski
2013-01-23, 10:52 PM
For me, I would prefer cartoon accurate so black hood

Rack 'n Ruin
2013-01-23, 10:57 PM
For me, I would prefer cartoon accurate so black hood

Me too.

MP Datsuns are making me very, very excited. :)

inflatable dalek
2013-01-23, 10:58 PM
I want a green Bluestreak from that Marvel cover.

numbat
2013-01-24, 07:27 AM
I'm really liking where Masterpiece is going!

I'll wait for images before comitting to an order, but Smokescreen was a childhood fave so I'll almost certainly pick him up.

The mind boggles at the possibilities for the Masterpiece line now!

Sadly I'm guessing the issues with VW probably preclude an MP Bumblebee though...

Rack 'n Ruin
2013-01-24, 09:23 AM
I can't decide if a MP Tigertrack being made before Clamp Down or Deep Cover means:

a: Takara know already that they will definitely be making an MP Sunstreaker further down the line, which would surely hurt sales of the far less popular yellow Countach. Better flog Tigertrack now.

b:Takara know already that they will definitely NOT be making an MP Sunstreaker, so this is a sop to those who are happy using a yellow Sideswipe as Sunstreaker.

c. Diddly squat. Its just one of those things.

Ho hum. Hoping its option a though.

Skyquake87
2013-01-24, 09:50 AM
The question is, which version of Bluestreak should be Takara, which version Hasbro and which Ehobby?

I would like to see the diaclone colours, blue down the side with a silver bonnet and roof. those colours are nicest. otherwise he's just shiny grey.

I'll be interested to see how Smokescreen fares against his still really good Binaltech toy.

Knightdramon
2013-01-24, 12:38 PM
I can't decide if a MP Tigertrack being made before Clamp Down or Deep Cover means:

a: Takara know already that they will definitely be making an MP Sunstreaker further down the line, which would surely hurt sales of the far less popular yellow Countach. Better flog Tigertrack now.

b:Takara know already that they will definitely NOT be making an MP Sunstreaker, so this is a sop to those who are happy using a yellow Sideswipe as Sunstreaker.

c. Diddly squat. Its just one of those things.

Ho hum. Hoping its option a though.

Clamp Down and Deep Cover are the police and black\blue variant, right?

I suppose Takara is after Sunstreaker, the license is good for two years before it must be re-purchased, so they want to pump Streaker out before that. So your assumption of putting the least popular yellow Lambor out stands.

CD and DC are probably off the table, if one is a police deco then that's already nearly covered by Red Alert while the other, black deco could benefit much more from a G2 Sideswipe. G2 established character will probably sell better than obscure character, right?

Streak will probably be close to cartoon colours, with a [maybe] e-hobby blue variant later.

I'm curious to see if Smokescreen will be covered in racing decals like the rally car or a watered-down cartoon model. Either way, he HAS to have that chin strap!

Oh it's never been easier to disregard mainlines for good now and just focus on MP figures.

Cliffjumper
2013-01-24, 12:50 PM
IIRC Clampdown is just a deco change, done by stickers on the original and thus not even really a repaint. I wouldn't be surprised to see him but only as some sort of insanely limited variant. The main reason Clampy and Deep Cover came out in the first place was that they'd been done as Diaclones.

numbat
2013-01-24, 12:56 PM
Oh it's never been easier to disregard mainlines for good now and just focus on MP figures.
I dunno - I've never enjoyed a mainline as much as Prime!

Difficult times...

Still, fortunate that the Beast Hunters figures offer only a limited few new characters/moulds.

Still to get round to buying an MP-11 Starscream. And the trouble with the new Masterpiece series is that it's leaving me thinking I should pick up MP-10 Convoy / Prime in some form as well, but he costs a fortune and I do already have MP-04...

I hope MP-13 Soundwave actually comes out soon - I have him and MP-12 Sideswipe in a single order, and really can't wait to get my hands on them both!

Warcry
2013-01-24, 09:06 PM
IIRC Clampdown is just a deco change, done by stickers on the original and thus not even really a repaint. I wouldn't be surprised to see him but only as some sort of insanely limited variant. The main reason Clampy and Deep Cover came out in the first place was that they'd been done as Diaclones.
Takara's Red Alert is based on the cartoon model though, isn't it? Clampdown has the same plastic colours as the original Red Alert toy but that might make him sufficiently different from Cartoon Red that they'd consider him a viable option.

Masterpiece Datsuns are welcome news. I'd be really surprised if Smokescreen were good enough to displace the Alternator for me, since that's basically what I think of when I think "Smokescreen" nowadays. And Bluestreak is in the same boat. But a modern, good-quality G1-accurate Prowl would be a really nice thing to have. Neither the Alternator nor the Universe toy really cut it for me anymore, though I liked them enough at the time.

Cliffjumper
2013-01-24, 09:38 PM
Takara's Red Alert is based on the cartoon model though, isn't it? Clampdown has the same plastic colours as the original Red Alert toy but that might make him sufficiently different from Cartoon Red that they'd consider him a viable option.

I would guess (hope, considering the ****ing price) that the markings would be tampo'd either way; was more making the point that Clampdown - as a fan character made up by a Japanese nerd that's yet to find any real legitimate way into the Transformers universe - existed because he was basically a reissue of an old Diaclone and the lack of that sort of backdoor appeal (see: eHobby's non-Diaclone based premiums) might be more of a problem this time around.

Will probably depend on just how much they want to rape the shit out of the mould, though. My gut feeling is that three figures from each are enough and Tigertrack's been selected from the made-up characters for the "I wonder if that means they're not doing Sunstreaker? Better buy him!" factor mentioned above. The Datsuns of course have it covered.

For Bluestreak I would say the cartoon version; it looks bloody tasty on the original. However, plain silver like the Alternator would be great if Takara actually have the chops to pull it off.

Mind, I'm not sure I'm going to be buying any of the range. I simply do not trust Takara with that amount of money, I cannot take the risk of paying through the nose for something which could have bad quality control - they're not Bandai, they're a bunch of corner-cutting cowboy morons. If we get an in-store UK release I can easily return if it turns out to be made of baked human shit or missing a wheel, maybe.

The Big Ragebowski
2013-01-24, 11:26 PM
MP Soundwave is out now and mine is ready to be posted!!! Excited!!!!

The cassettes are next for me in March, then preordered the new guys, kinda wish I'd got the 4 seekers, Prime, Megatron and Grimlock now too......

Knightdramon
2013-01-24, 11:41 PM
I hope MP-13 Soundwave actually comes out soon - I have him and MP-12 Sideswipe in a single order, and really can't wait to get my hands on them both!

He was officially released today in Japan. Without noticing my HLJ order was paid and ready to ship today.

I have him and Red Alert coming my way, so I can see what you mean...though I already had Sideswipe since release.

Skyquake87
2013-01-25, 12:41 AM
Mind, I'm not sure I'm going to be buying any of the range. I simply do not trust Takara with that amount of money, I cannot take the risk of paying through the nose for something which could have bad quality control - they're not Bandai, they're a bunch of corner-cutting cowboy morons. If we get an in-store UK release I can easily return if it turns out to be made of baked human shit or missing a wheel, maybe.

This is the same for me. The lack of quality that MP Sideswipe has next the the old Binaltechs (which , admitedly, do look a little primitive these days) means i will be waiting to see if Hasbro release any of these. The lack of diecast parts and rubber wheels doesn't give the line that same quality factor that the BTs/ Alts had and they feel like...well, I dunno, its not exactly money for old rope, but doesn't seem especially 'Masterpiece' and more 'fancy deluxe toys'.

I'd feel odd about this as well if I was a geewun purist who'd bought all the CHUG characters thinking I was getting what I wanted from an updated G1 character and then have these fancy dan 'proper' updates waved in my face.

Hmm. A line that inspires some interesting thoughts and feelings. I am not sure what I make of it. Its kind of good,but I dunno...it just feels a bit cynical and there's such a glut of these being made available that it feels like a quick grab for fanboy cash before both the bottom drops out of the market and the buyer releases they now own upteen versions of the same character, that, licensing issues aside, look pretty similar at the end of the day. But this one looks like he did on that cheaply made cartoon show, so thats alright then.

Its Malibu Stacy with a new hat.

Cliffjumper
2013-01-25, 05:27 AM
I'm kind-of happy with the G1 cars for most of this lot anyway; I've long ago made peace with the lack of articulation and some of the design eccenticities, and to someone who never really fell for the Classics thing (some people paid money for Smokescreen! Can you believe that? Look at him, he is a piece of shit! And Tracks! Ha! You might as well just turn up in Rhode Island with a sign saying "free blowjobs for Hasbro executives"...) there's a certain cachet to having the 'real' Trailbreaker or Skids I wanted as a kid that no update is going to match. The Smokescreen I have is the same as the one I transformed with help from my parents in a Reliant Kitten in a car park behind Woolies, and is the same chap bunged through a window by Inferno over Cybertron. What's there to upgrade to?

I can't actually see there being too much of a Western market for the things, though. Both reissues and Alternators have shown the line just doesn't have the depth to shift more than a couple of figures of this size and price to most collectors.

Knightdramon
2013-01-25, 11:34 AM
I don't know about that, I mean, I own some G1 cars [Sunstreaker, Jazz, Inferno, Ironhide] and I could definitely use some updates on these. Part of the "get them all" charisma for me is that until well into my adult life, the cartoon and the very sporadic re-runs after 1993 was the only characterization I had for them. Heck, even the techspecs for them were in a language that 5-6 year old me did not understand.

And the "technological" snob in me appreciates the articulation, twist and turns of a 2012 figures compared to a 1980 figure. The new "retro look with modern articulation" prevailing in the MP line is something I LOVE at the moment.

As for updates, I've made peace that they will never cease to come to fruition. There's a core circle of characters that will get updated looks no matter what. We've had a Classics DLX Optimus, a very good voyager, an MP before that, a robotmasters after the first MP01, a henkei voyager with much better apps than classics, a new MP 10 figure and now there's an upcoming Generations DLX or VYGR that's modeled after the IDW portrayal.

You just have to do with what's cool to you, and for me at least, these new MP figures are fantastic and somewhat affordable with their release schedule.

inflatable dalek
2013-01-25, 04:14 PM
I thought Sideswipe looked fine as a slightly larger Classics toy. But for the price, I'd expect something more than a slightly larger Classics toy.

Clay
2013-01-28, 12:57 AM
I can't actually see there being too much of a Western market for the things, though. Both reissues and Alternators have shown the line just doesn't have the depth to shift more than a couple of figures of this size and price to most collectors.

I dunno, I think this may be part of an entirely uncharacteristic forward-thinking plan. 2014 won't just bring another film, but also the 30th anniversary of the whole franchise. Considering the 20th anniversary was a relatively minor blip without three major movies drawing 400 trillion dollars beforehand, the idea for adult collector oriented stuff may be to have it all fresh-and-ready as soon as people in general start to pay attention again.

To be fair to the choices for Masterpiece so far, they've been mostly smart about which molds can be sold as the most characters. A fancy Datsun mold will get more uses as more characters than Sludge would.

The Big Ragebowski
2013-01-28, 11:22 PM
As predicted MP-19 will be Bluestreak!!!

Very excited about this one! Just need an MP Mirage, Wheeljack, Hound and Trailbreaker and I'm sorted!! :)

Due to arrive in September and I've just put my preorder in at an acceptable Ł99.99

I'm hoping for the black hood or the blue diaclone paint job, will be interesting to see how it turns out! :)

Cliffjumper
2013-01-29, 12:02 AM
I dunno, I think this may be part of an entirely uncharacteristic forward-thinking plan. 2014 won't just bring another film, but also the 30th anniversary of the whole franchise. Considering the 20th anniversary was a relatively minor blip without three major movies drawing 400 trillion dollars beforehand, the idea for adult collector oriented stuff may be to have it all fresh-and-ready as soon as people in general start to pay attention again.

I really am growing more and more skeptical as to just how cyclical Transformers or much else actually is, TBH. We've yet to have a wave of kids who grew up with Beast Wars pile in despite it being as old now as G1 was when it started gathering serious nostalgic moss; if anything, the average age of fandom seems to be increasing (similarly, Pokemon and Power Rangers haven't had large scale revivals, just continued pottering at healthy levels and largely still selling to kids rather than 20-somethings). It's a little too early to judge on UT but I genuinely don't think it or the live action films will pull in a whole new wave of fans, just a lot of people who got Transformers for a little while and then moved on. More and more evidence points to us "kids of the 80s" being a broken generation far more obsessed with material pop culture artifacts than those before or after.

The 25th Anniversary didn't seem to bring a ginormous spike in itself, at least not beyond the increase that could otherwise be attributed to a mega hit movie using the brand.

Summerhayes
2013-01-29, 09:17 AM
I've been trying really hard to avoid looking at these Masterpieces too much. I really love these big, chunky, nice toys and I know if I look at them too much I'm gonna end up buying all of them.

similarly, Pokemon and Power Rangers haven't had large scale revivals, just continued pottering at healthy levels and largely still selling to kids rather than 20-somethings

I've been sort of waiting for the big revival of those two, Pokémon especially. But I think it sort of happened already, without anyone noticing. The thing with Pokémon is, even more so than Transformers, it never really went away. The games continue to be some of the best sellers every time a new wave comes around, and the cartoon has just run and run. And I was talking to the dude in the shop the other week, and he says its not the kids he primarily sells it to any more; its people my age who never grew out of it.

Skyquake87
2013-01-29, 09:51 AM
I wonder if the continued healthy levels of sales for those two is because they don't flood the market with hundreds of characters at a time and launch 3 or 4 spin off lines in other areas as well? Perhaps that's why Transformers always seems to be boom and bust. Maybe that in itself isn't a bad thing, but the more careful and smaller scale drip feed of Prime toys is perhaps a sign that Hasbro want to aim for a more stable middle ground, even if distribution rather knackers this approach.

Cliffjumper
2013-01-29, 10:10 AM
Could well be; I'd hazard it could also be why TF is slowly settling down to a dozen or so core characters (Prime, Megs, Screamer, Soundwave, Bee, Bulkhead/Ironhide, Arcee, Ratchet, Shockwave); Power Rangers (DANGER! Non-expert) seems to be based around the Rangers, a Zord or two and a playset or so, which makes it nice and digestible to kids once a year.

Summerhayes
2013-01-29, 08:13 PM
the more careful and smaller scale drip feed of Prime toys

slowly settling down to a dozen or so core characters

I can see how that idea makes sense financially, but for me it kills what make the G1 line so fun; every toy was a different character, and that was the toy of that character. It made the Transformers' world seem so big and real and alive, and it made it feel more like a war and less like cops-and-robbers. It also avoided the burning shame of knowing there's a better version of your character when you can only get, say, a Legend or a Scout.

Power Rangers (DANGER! Non-expert) seems to be based around the Rangers, a Zord or two and a playset or so, which makes it nice and digestible to kids once a year.
I haven't really been in the loop since I was a nipper, but that seems more or less like what I remember. You could hardly get any toys of the various villlains, so my Megazord used to fight whatever monster was to hand; Godzilla, a cuddly baboon, Buzz Lightyear . . .

Warcry
2013-01-30, 06:05 AM
More and more evidence points to us "kids of the 80s" being a broken generation far more obsessed with material pop culture artifacts than those before or after.
That's an interesting observation, but I'm not sure I'd agree with it. Every generation has the same "in MY day everything was so much better" attitude about their childhood. It manifests itself in different ways, though, because what each generation did as children is so much different. My dad still loves all the stuff he used to do as a kid, but he grew up in the middle of nowhere in the 50s so his childhood revolved around shooting stuff, and wanton vehicular mayhem. He also still loves (and makes every excuse to rewatch) the cartoons that were on TV when he was a kid -- Looney Tunes, Yogi Bear, stuff like that.

Our generation, on the other hand, grew up amid a massive multimedia blitz targeted at children. Our childhoods revolved around Optimus Prime or Lion-O or Raphael the way my dad's childhood revolved around chasing rabbits with his .22-caliber rifle, and as adults we have the same fondness for it. I don't think there's anything "broken" about that, and you can see the same behaviour in every generation if you know what to look for. It's just the manifestation that's different.

I am curious what the kids who are growing up now will have to be nostalgic for, though. A lot of the stuff they're growing up loving are ephemeral stuff that only exists on a server somewhere, and there may not be any trace of it in a few years. They might wind up being the "broken generation" rather than us -- the first generation who don't have the option of revisiting their childhoods because there are no physical manifestations of it left by the time they start thinking about it again. Toys and books can last for a long time if they're cared for, but software only lives for as long as someone's got the right hardware with an OS that can run it...something that is difficult enough in the PC world a decade or more after release, let alone in the rapidly-shifting world of smartphones, tablets and iPods.

I'm very curious to see how that'll turn out. Fifteen years from now the internet might be filled with twentysomethings lamenting the fact that they can't go back and play the original Angry Birds because none of their fancy new gadgets can run it.

I can see how that idea makes sense financially, but for me it kills what make the G1 line so fun; every toy was a different character, and that was the toy of that character. It made the Transformers' world seem so big and real and alive, and it made it feel more like a war and less like cops-and-robbers. It also avoided the burning shame of knowing there's a better version of your character when you can only get, say, a Legend or a Scout.
Agreed. The huge universe with a myriad of characters is one of the things that made Transformers so fascinating to me as a kid. A lot of the 80s toylines had the same thing going for them, too. He-Man, G.I. Joe and TMNT at least all had a huge roster of characters. It's definitely something that's been moved away from in modern kids' stuff, though.

I haven't really been in the loop since I was a nipper, but that seems more or less like what I remember. You could hardly get any toys of the various villlains, so my Megazord used to fight whatever monster was to hand; Godzilla, a cuddly baboon, Buzz Lightyear . . .
I seem to remember that the original Power Rangers line had lots of random monster toys in it, but that was a long time ago. I do remember hearing comments like yours from other people in recent years, but like you I haven't paid attention to Power Rangers in a very, very long time (though my nephew loves them now, so that might change a tad).

Denyer
2013-01-30, 07:04 PM
As a generation we didn't really give much of a shit about designer trainers, tablets and phones (which have particularly rapid update cycles) weren't around, etc. Slightly more austere times in real terms, and therefore there's more predisposition to collect things that weren't an option when we were kids.
Fifteen years from now the internet might be filled with twentysomethings lamenting the fact that they can't go back and play the original Angry Birds because none of their fancy new gadgets can run it.
Maybe some more obscure things, because it'll mean cracking the files in some cases, but big titles will have curators... and it's possible to run a staggering amount of legacy software in emulation these days.

If there are a lot of EM pulses, there may be problems, although childhood media is likely to be the least area of concern.

inflatable dalek
2013-01-30, 08:17 PM
Like I said in the other thread, 80's nostalgia has absolutely nothing on the icy grip the '60's still has on British culture.

Cliffjumper
2013-01-30, 08:50 PM
Like I said in the other thread, 80's nostalgia has absolutely nothing on the icy grip the '60's still has on British culture.

And like I said in the other thread 60s nostalgia revolves around experiences, music, cinema and fashion rather than overpriced bits of plastic.

inflatable dalek
2013-01-30, 09:06 PM
And like I said in the other thread 60s nostalgia revolves around experiences, music, cinema and fashion rather than overpriced bits of plastic.

But 80's nostalgia revolves around all those other things as well. We on this forum just tend to focus on the toy side of things here, for some odd reason.

I'd go as far to say that we're that representative of what most people remember fondly about the decade most, any random pub conversation is as least as likely to cover Ghostbusters or Back to the Future or Boy George: Remember what grandad thought of that? style stuff than [insert your toy of choice] things.

Warcry
2013-01-31, 04:25 AM
Maybe some more obscure things, because it'll mean cracking the files in some cases, but big titles will have curators... and it's possible to run a staggering amount of legacy software in emulation these days.
If you know what you're doing, and if you've got the time and motivation to do it, sure. But spending five hours ghetto-rigging an ancient video game to run on Windows 19 (or whatever they'll have by then)/installing a virtual machine/tracking down emulation software takes a lot more effort than going down to your parents basement and pulling out a box of old toys or plugging in the Super Nintendo.

And like I said in the other thread 60s nostalgia revolves around experiences, music, cinema and fashion rather than overpriced bits of plastic.
Pop culture is pop culture. The form that it takes and the bits that are remembered fondly vary from generation to generation, but the motivations and emotions behind it are the same. The things that are remembered the strongest from the 60s are a reflection of what was going on at the time, and the 60s were a very different time so it's no surprise that very different things are remembered. And even then, in my experience people who grew up in the 60s and 70s have nostalgia for things that are just as shallow as the children of the 80s -- I know a lot of people from that generation who spend their free time watching reruns of MASH, All in the Family, Happy Days, Maude, etc, etc...

You also need to consider that our generation (or at least those of us who grew up in the Western world) was lucky enough to grow up in a time of relative calm and serenity -- there was no civil rights unrest, no Vietnam war, no worries of nuclear annihilation...but also no moon landings, no Woodstock and in general very little that you could say was culturally transformative. The 80s and 90s were probably the most boring decades of the last century, and without any huge "watershed" moments for our generation to rally around is it really a surprise that trivial stuff makes up a bigger slice of our generational memory? The collapse of the Soviet Union was a historical anticlimax since it had been in obvious decay since before we were born and the Gulf War was over before it could make any real impact on most people, which would make 9/11 the first really big "this will change the world" moment for most of us...and we were already adults by then. I don't think many of us realize just how lucky we were to grow up in that world.

Add to that the fact that most of society looks back on 80s music and fashion as an old shame, and there's really very little left to be nostalgic about other than stuff like toys and TV.

Denyer
2013-01-31, 07:11 PM
If you know what you're doing, and if you've got the time and motivation to do it, sure. But spending five hours ghetto-rigging an ancient video game to run on Windows 19 (or whatever they'll have by then)/installing a virtual machine/tracking down emulation software takes a lot more effort than going down to your parents basement and pulling out a box of old toys or plugging in the Super Nintendo.
It used to. These days for stuff that's popular enough there are large communities and people tend to have already done the work. There are even commercial vendors like gog.com selling titles for a few dollars. If I make it to retirement, I'll be taking up things like Planescape Torment.

Knightdramon
2013-01-31, 09:28 PM
Add to that the fact that most of society looks back on 80s music and fashion as an old shame, and there's really very little left to be nostalgic about other than stuff like toys and TV.

I have to disagree here, as 80ies fashion is laughable by our standards, but the music is not a shame at all. Rock and metal music ["pure", heavy metal, and byproducts such as thrash at the time] were never stronger. Disco and pop were never as memorable as they were in the 80ies.

I do agree that we grew up in a relatively peaceful time on these two decades, but that's for [most of] mainland Europe, USA and maybe Japan. The Balkan territory, ie what was right above Greece, suffered a great deal during the years we were peacefully growing up, and so did other middle-eastern countries.

Besides that...yay Bluestreak's added to the mix! HINTS AND RUMOURS place MP20 near the end of the year [December probably, much like Soundwave was scheduled to] and a big Decepticon. Galvatron or Megatron v2.0 anybody?

Denyer
2013-01-31, 10:54 PM
For those who've picked up the newer, smaller Convoy, there's certainly an opportunity for Takara to do a better Megs.

numbat
2013-02-01, 12:56 AM
For those who've picked up the newer, smaller Convoy, there's certainly an opportunity for Takara to do a better Megs.
Is the new smaller Convoy/Optimus better than the original Masterpiece?

Knightdramon
2013-02-01, 07:55 PM
In many ways, yes. Pretty much my only complaint with him [and that's in relation to MP01] is that due to the IDW inspired folding gimmick, his gun is a bit small.

In other words, he has a PERFECT truck mode [I know it doesn't matter to others, but mine stays in truck mode 30 percent of the time], legs have a much leaner way to transform that reduces kibble in BOTH modes, proportions are spot on in both modes, trailer and roller are fun and he's complete from the get-go. Fans may forget it, but it took takara 2-3 years to release a trailer for MP01, and even then there was no roller.

Yes, he scales better with everybody else, more fun to transform around, infinitely more stable when posing and has less gaps around in both modes.

Denyer
2013-02-01, 08:19 PM
Don't know about better, I'm happy with the original Convoy and Megs and wouldn't re-buy (it isn't as if Grimlock and Skywarp are in scale with Sideswipe or Binaltech figures either.) In fact, the newer Convoy has a bit of a Don Fig look in robot mode -- I like the looming Ladybird books style of the original, although did get some chromed long stacks to replace the stubby ones.

Knightdramon
2013-02-01, 08:35 PM
Actually, the seekers are [pretty close] in scale with Sideswipe. Who's in scale with Convoy MP10, who's in scale with the new Soundwave, who'll be in scale with Prowl and co, and so on.

I was happy with MP01 as well, but since they're expanding the line so vividly I'm happy to oblige and move forward as well. Was never happy with MP05, and if everything after Grimlock is an indication, the new Megatron will blow the old one out of the water with the first test shots.

inflatable dalek
2013-02-01, 08:53 PM
Regardless of the qualities of the new Prime, or even the original Megatron MP, doing the Decepticon leader in some form in the new scale is almost a no-brainer. Especially if it was one Hasbro could sell as well (G2 mayhaps?).

The Big Ragebowski
2013-02-02, 12:00 AM
I would love it if MP20 was Shockwave!!! That would be awesome!!

I mean we've had a run of autobots with the datsuns and lambos, stands to reason 20 will be a decepticon?

Then that leaves next year to give me Mirage, Hound, Jazz, Trailbreaker, Slag, Swoop, Snarl, Sludge, Wheeljack, Reflector, Ratchet, and the big one for Christmas 2014 a masterpiece Devastator or Menasor!!!! That would be amazing!!!

Knightdramon
2013-02-02, 09:39 AM
I would love it if MP20 was Shockwave!!! That would be awesome!!

I mean we've had a run of autobots with the datsuns and lambos, stands to reason 20 will be a decepticon?

Then that leaves next year to give me Mirage, Hound, Jazz, Trailbreaker, Slag, Swoop, Snarl, Sludge, Wheeljack, Reflector, Ratchet, and the big one for Christmas 2014 a masterpiece Devastator or Menasor!!!! That would be amazing!!!

Heh, Mirage maybe, but all the others for 2014? Especially the Dinobots? There's a very high chance it won't be happening.

An MP Combiner has been hinted throughout though, but due to the cost IF it gets made it'll probably be released in separate components.

Don't you find it funny that within 2013, with MP20 to the mix, we'll be getting more MPs in one year than in the first 5 years of the line?

Skyquake87
2013-02-03, 10:30 AM
i wonder if all this masterpiece activity is an attempt to encourage consumers to buy genuine stuff, rather than going to third party folk for this kind of thing?

the smaller scale might be another reason why we're getting so many - cheaper manufacturing costs to make it worth while, especially if their are expunging materials like rubber and die cast.

it does feel like HasTak have perhaps woken up to the fact there are a good portion of fans who'll happily shell out a $100+ on deluxe sized figure, so why should they loose out to the knock off guys?

Knightdramon
2013-02-03, 04:28 PM
I'd say that officially after MP10 and unofficially after MP09 takara changed their game plan. Up until that point [Prime, Starscream, Megatron and Grimlock] were largely updated and upgraded, "beefy" action figures of the originals. With Rodimus\Hot Rod I guess they must have been planning a retro\vintage upgrade and it sold well.

Cue the remakes, with Convoy selling extraordinary well, and greenlighting MP Megatron V2.0 on the coming month after release.

After that I think they just changed their way of planning and made it more of a mainline than a collector's oriented line. Same thing happened with Bandai's SOC. They used to put out 7-10 SOC per year, some giant, some smaller, and then they pumped out 15 smaller SOC Spec with one big SOC release each year.

This is, more or less, takara's plan now. Pump out 7-9 smaller, more affordable releases and one big release each year. Last year it was supposed to be Soundwave, who got delayed. This year, who knows?

Denyer
2013-02-03, 04:29 PM
i wonder if all this masterpiece activity is an attempt to encourage consumers to buy genuine stuff, rather than going to third party folk for this kind of thing?
Oh, hell yeah. It's getting easier every day to DIY or do short run professional work. CAD to finished product is relatively straightforward; it's costing, finishing and distribution that are the obstacles. We don't have freely available 3D scanners that'll map objects to data points, but that'll come too and expect to see a lot of competition re: things like tabletop wargaming. The good sculptors will coin it in -- although obviously their products will be pirated like everything else.

zigzagger
2013-03-06, 02:52 AM
Prowl and Bluestreak revealed:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/masterpiece-17-prowl-and-18-bluestreak-revealed-177000/

numbat
2013-03-06, 08:55 AM
They do look nice. Guess I'll go and pre-order Smokescreen later (my preferred of the three)!

Skyquake87
2013-03-06, 11:01 AM
i don't care for Bluestreak's shonky cartoon styled shoulder cannons.

Prowl looks awesome though :swirly:

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-06, 11:18 AM
Hope no one minds me asking...


Is there any plan for a Masterpiece Galvatron? I don't really have any interest in cars or tape deck, and my 'con's been leaderless for a while:|

Blackjack
2013-03-06, 11:41 AM
That Prowl looks lovely, and so does that Bluestreak. Will probably only be getting Prowl, though. Even though I think that Bluestreak and Smokescreen have better paint decoes than Prowl, I think Prowl'll only be the one I get.

Knightdramon
2013-03-06, 05:29 PM
As usual. Prowl is the one I'm way more interested as a character figure, Bluestreak is the one that gets much, much better colours.

Even if I won't be able to eat for days I'll have [at least Prowl] them on release. I've been itching for a G1 style car Prowl ever since 1993 where I was seeing the European Classics reissues in stores.

Now if HLJ would hurry up with their preorders. On a sidenote, they still haven't filled in my order of Rumble\Ravage that I made 6 days after the early bird went up. I'm having little hope that Frenzy\Buzzsaw, who I preorder in January, will fill.

Knightdramon
2013-03-08, 05:24 PM
Newsflash, up an available for preorder at hlj. As of this post, less than 24 hours since preorders opened.

Seeing as my order for Frenzy and Ravage, made 6 days AFTER preorders went live, is still unfilled, if you want them from HLJ, HURRY THE F*CK UP. I have warned you.

Best price in the market at the moment.