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zigzagger
2012-01-24, 04:10 PM
Follow the likes of Bumblebee, Prowl, Ironhide and Wheeljack as they struggle to maintain control of a revived Cybertron in this new ongoing series.

This is your all purpose Transformers: Robots in Disguise #1 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11241).

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-26, 03:45 AM
Well, well. The Marty Jannetty to Roberts Shawn Michaels, "Robots in Disguise" has a few things going against it. First off, and this is just an opinion, I think they have a much harder brief. Rebuilding a planet and its civilization is a much harder story to tell in an exciting comic compared to a ship blasted to an unknown part of the galaxy on a mission to find long-missing legends. Second, Roberts work has a wonderful zip. Not just in the events that he crams into an issue, but in the way he works dialogue. It's early days but Barbers first few pages feel very much ponderous and feel a bit more simplistic and clear cut.

However...

There are some good points here. The art is quite nice, and the weird designs of the other cybertronians make sense being as they have been so long distanced from the autobots and decepticons.

I also like that cybertron is a hostile living planet. This will certainly help with future storylines as well as giving us something fresh. And it also looks like we will be getting a wider range of characters which is also welcome.

All the best to Barber. I feel that the success of this series may hinge on the portrayal of certain key characters - for me, Prowl will be a key figure to get right. I also feel that Bumblebee may not be the best character to be the focus of. But I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

zigzagger
2012-01-26, 04:35 AM
Still reluctant to give this one a chance, though I can see the appeal -- it has a lot of the more familiar characters.

For now, I'm content with just the one book.

inflatable dalek
2012-01-28, 12:31 PM
To recap what I said in the Ramjet thread, there's two problems for me with this:

It's the same set up as both the Energon comic and Regeneration One (the later there's no excuse for, considering both books are going to be running alongside each other one should have done something different).

And there's ultimately no way the war won't be up and running again within (at the very, very most) two years. Bumblebee's going to fail.

If the feedback suggests issue 1 is as strong as MTMTE was I might give it a go, but I can't see much future in this.

Red Dave Prime
2012-01-28, 03:33 PM
Its not as good as MTMTE but its far better than I expected. The art is really nice - distinct from Milne and Roche but not shabby in a any way.

I like the different factions and the uneasy peace. And like MTMTE there is set-up going on more than one front (one thing I hated about costa was that he rarely took on any thing more than the story in hand).

Of course, war is going to break out between the cons and the bots but there is a clear third faction now which adds a bit of friction. We also have the changing and hostile cybertron. Is it possible we'll see a fourth side enter the fray, threatening the nails who then need the war-like Autobots and Decpticons? Yeah, probably.

I also like Barbars writing. It works with the characters and seems in sync with Roberts own style. So potential here. Problems? Sure, the overall set-up is messy and could fall to pieces after 6 issues. There's also the issue raised on other threads that this book lacks a stand-out likeable character. It sure isn't Prowl or Bumblebee. metalhawk comes off as a political do-gooder. Will Wheeljack and ironhide give this book a bit of soul for the reader to latch onto? We'll have to see.

But overall, while its not a five energon cube issue its a good 3.5. Much better than i expected (especailly after I saw the preview pages)

Warcry
2012-01-28, 07:32 PM
There's also the issue raised on other threads that this book lacks a stand-out likeable character. It sure isn't Prowl or Bumblebee. metalhawk comes off as a political do-gooder. Will Wheeljack and ironhide give this book a bit of soul for the reader to latch onto? We'll have to see.
This is my biggest problem, too. Prowl has crossed the line from doing bad things for good reasons into outright villainy, and Bumblebee has lost all the friendly, nice guy appeal that got him elected leader in the first place. The Autobots in general have gone back to being the same jackbooted dictators that caused the Decepticons to rise up in the first place...and when I read the book I find myself wondering, "what for?" What do Bumblebee and Prowl hope to accomplish? The Cybertron they called home is destroyed, and it's not coming back. The world they're on now is hostile to Transformer life, and the population is hostile to Autobots. Are they just clinging onto power because it's the only tangible thing they have to show for four million years of pointless war?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I was an Autobot I would've joined Hot Rod's crew and gotten as far away from this mess as I could. And right now I'm finding it very hard to sympathize with, or even understand, those that didn't. I can see where Ratbat and Metalhawk are coming from, and they make for good antagonists. But until I can feel the same about the 'good guys' I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to fully enjoy the world that Barber is creating.

Summerhayes
2012-01-30, 10:31 AM
The art looks real nice, and I've said before I'll probably pick this up just because its a good jumping-on point.

Terome
2012-02-01, 11:24 PM
Hey I read this too! It was okay. I'm interested to see where it goes, but I'm not expecting great things out of a subplot that involves a figure shrouded in shadow saying ominous things.

Other than that, there's not much to fault it - it's solidly structured and written, very nicely drawn, checks off all our main points of focus for the series, but doesn't do anything spectacular.

I'm not too fussed, myself, about the characters being jerks or not. I think Metalhawk has the most sympathetic point of view even before he personally saw Bumblebee do a Darth Vader on one of his own henchmen.

Does anyone think that Prowl's implication in blowing up the Lost Light was not a feint? I'm guessing his cargo and his plan was something a lot more interesting.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-03, 02:36 PM
Does anyone think that Prowl's implication in blowing up the Lost Light was not a feint? I'm guessing his cargo and his plan was something a lot more interesting.

I'd say that's a certainty, but it might be a double bluff...

As with Red Man Prime, this turned out to be much better than expected. You could argue that Bumblebee goes to the limit very quickly (or at least, as there's been at least some time since DoOP we're not properly shown it), but I'll take a slightly breakneck pace over the languid style IDW have previously employed where this would have been the end of issue 10. And Bumblebee genuinely feels like a bot on the edge of a breakdown which actually makes him more sympathetic, plus, he only does what he does to Horri-Bull when the later refuses to stop beating the NAIL to death.

Prowl also regains some ground by playing his cards close to his chest, it leaves a sense he's got more going on than being a complete bastard. I do hope his friend who can turn blacker than the shadows he's standing in turns out to be Headmasters Sixshot*. No, not IDW Sixshot, specifically the Decepticons Ninja consultant, complete with Star TV vocalisations. Hell, if Ironhide can suddenly** start talking in phonetic hick...

It's not as out and out fun as MTMTE was, but it's got a lot of potential if done right, and it's nice that IDW are trying to make sure both books do have a different feel. The problem is though, it's also the easiest one to screw up. And Metalhawk is even more of a wanker than he was in the previous issue, he might as well be holding up a sign saying "I'm manipulating the situation in an unsubtle way!".



*Though Scorponok did that trick in Headmasters as well, and this guy does have a Headmastery looking backpack to him....


** This may have started since I stopped reading the comics, but it's really silly. Why would Wheeljack send the resident moonshine guzzling Dukes of Hazard fan on an important scientific mission of exploration? Expendable?

Terome
2012-02-03, 02:46 PM
And Metalhawk is even more of a wanker than he was in the previous issue, he might as well be holding up a sign saying "I'm manipulating the situation in an unsubtle way!".

I don't know about that. My take on it is that he's a reactive character rather than a schemer. I suppose there is that bit where he tells Bumblebee that he doesn't personally think that the little guy is all that bad, but then is interrupted by Horri-bull and Bumblebee's demonstration of just how messed up the Autobots are after their great big war.

He seems to want to have his own way and is keen to take the moral high ground. He's duplicitous, but he's plainly duplicitous. That does make him a wanker but he's not a villain.

He got a microscopic cameo in this issue but I'd really like to see a sensible take on Buzzsaw. Now that people aren't shooting at each other quite so often, a quick sketch of what this ancient and diverse society considers to be artistic would be nice. It's a pity Slog is in the Anti-Character bin that is a gestalt team.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-03, 02:51 PM
I suspect Buzzsaw is a bit of a Jo Ng when it comes to artistic skill.

Terome
2012-02-03, 03:04 PM
Poor Buzzsaw.

Alternatively, if Joe Ng drew Age of Wrath with his beak, I'll upgrade my opinion of him considerably.

Here's another little detail that opens up a can of worms for me - Ratbat said that Skywarp's ability to teleport were 'a blessing from fate' or some such. So when baby Skywarp was born, was he already a teleporter? And no one thought to maybe poke around in his gizzards and find out why that is?

Skywarp is problematic no matter which way you slice it, really. If he can do it, why can't anyone else?

inflatable dalek
2012-02-03, 03:12 PM
It was actually Alex Milne who used to draw with a pencil in his mouth after Pat Lee convinced him it's OK to put your hands in a working blender. He's all better now though, hence his art on Chaos Theory being at a level where you could actually tell what was going on. Though considering his big flaw remains adding far, far too much detail I dread to think how he'll handle a regular gig working with master of shoving lots of detail in his scripts Roberts.

I wouldn't put it past Ratbat to be talking poetic bollocks. I actually found him a bit disappointing. They're obviously trying to evoke Marvel Ratbat, but have missed what made him so awesome, he was a bottom line administrator guy. The slightly flowery politician isn't as much fun, especially in a comic where half the cast seem to be slightly flowery politicians.

Terome
2012-02-03, 03:23 PM
I wouldn't put it past Ratbat to be talking poetic bollocks. I actually found him a bit disappointing. They're obviously trying to evoke Marvel Ratbat, but have missed what made him so awesome, he was a bottom line administrator guy. The slightly flowery politician isn't as much fun, especially in a comic where half the cast seem to be slightly flowery politicians.

Yeah, I felt the same way. I was bringing a lot of Marvel baggage to my expectation of him. The dynamics of Marvel Ratbat would be off in this situation though - Marvel Ratbat was part of a firmly established order and the spark of the Decepticon movement had long since gone out. This Ratbat is starting from the absolute bottom so it wouldn't make a lick of sense for him to fretting about budgets and whatnot. And you're right - between Metalhawk, Rodimus and Ratbat, there have been a lot of characters yakkin' it up like a petrol driven yakkin' machine.

Which is fine by me, I like the yakkin', but it does iron out the cast a bit too much. Ratbat would have better used as a Number Two to someone like, I don't know, Bombshell? Maybe that's what will happen anyway.

Soundwave's really redundant in there with Shockwave about, isn't he? Would have been nice to have him killed off and to spare him the severe schizophrenia the writers have subjected him to. (He's back to Sunbow-talk in Autocracy, by the way, and appears to turn into a small, useless object that Starscream carries around with him most conspicuously. ((and what, they can replace his entire body but can't fix his faceplate?)) )

Those are some thoughts I had.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-03, 06:31 PM
Not having followed (or frankly, cared) about any of the Costa bobbins I've no idea where Sound and Shock are in the IDW Universe (except possibly as the stars of a wacky sit-com, My Two Waves), but I did think it was kind of strange to see the later reduced to a silent background extra when he'd be the obvious guy to jump in and try and take charge. He'd probably have more respect than Ratbat from his fellow Cons as well, as he's actually done things in the last four million years (hell, he's managed to be more proactive than Ratbat despite spending a chunk of that time in a tar pit).

I'm trying to remember how Ratbat was written back in Megatron: Origin, but can't recall more than him being an idiot. "I make money from sales of SpaceVHS of these gladiatorial fights... so lets invest lots of money in the one team so that they win everything, making for duller fights and ultimately an end to the games as everyone else will be dead, leaving what's basically a small heavily armed militia with nothing to do. What can go wrong?".

I also found everyone having new alt modes when there's no longer a desperate need for them, resources being scarce and Wheeljack having better things to do a bit odd. War/Fall For Cybertron toy plugging at Hasbro's insistence?

Terome
2012-02-03, 08:48 PM
I'm trying to remember how Ratbat was written back in Megatron: Origin, but can't recall more than him being an idiot. "I make money from sales of SpaceVHS of these gladiatorial fights... so lets invest lots of money in the one team so that they win everything, making for duller fights and ultimately an end to the games as everyone else will be dead, leaving what's basically a small heavily armed militia with nothing to do. What can go wrong?".


That was the point though, surely? He was a stock evil politician who was too greedy and near-sighted and so fell afoul of the mess he made. Though instead of 'falling afoul,' he got turned into a bra by his secretary, which is probably the kinkiest thing which has happened in a Transformers comic.

I also found everyone having new alt modes when there's no longer a desperate need for them, resources being scarce and Wheeljack having better things to do a bit odd. War/Fall For Cybertron toy plugging at Hasbro's insistence?

These days, I don't think the creatives even need to be told. They just see some new designs around and reckon that is what expected of them.

Not having followed (or frankly, cared) about any of the Costa bobbins I've no idea where Sound and Shock are in the IDW Universe

Like every other character, they have done absolutely nothing of consequence. The only slightly notable thing that has happened to either of them is that Soundwave got shot in the head a while ago but got better. That's why he's got a sailor's mug in these comics, although that doesn't make any sense.

but I did think it was kind of strange to see the later reduced to a silent background extra when he'd be the obvious guy to jump in and try and take charge.

Shockwave hasn't been a take-charge guy in the IDW stuff, even going back to his Spotlight. He's a deeply autistic fellow who just wants to be left alone so he can do his tinkerings. Occasionally, he might need to pick a side or divert the course of a war or kill a bunch of dudes so that he can do so, but once he's taken care of those distractions he'll pop off again.

inflatable dalek
2012-02-04, 10:44 AM
That was the point though, surely? He was a stock evil politician who was too greedy and near-sighted and so fell afoul of the mess he made. Though instead of 'falling afoul,' he got turned into a bra by his secretary, which is probably the kinkiest thing which has happened in a Transformers comic.

Circuit Breaker?



These days, I don't think the creatives even need to be told. They just see some new designs around and reckon that is what expected of them.

I can almost see the point when they did it with All Hail Megatron as there was no supporting media for those Classics toys. Even if it were both completely cock handed (changing Bluestreak's already established name on the assumption that people would be too stupid to work out this Silverstreak guy was supposed to be him?) and mostly pointless as the comic was pretty much entirely brought by people into the toys anyway so it was preaching to the converted.

The WoC toys though, had a hugely succesful computer game behind them that's likely been played by bugger loads more people than will ever read an IDW comic. Do we really need slightly forced plugging once again?

Plus side, it means Bumblebee's deeply silly Camero look has been retired.

Hennessy
2012-02-21, 01:32 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ztf2ag.jpg

7 page preview at comicscontinuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1202/21/idwfirsts.htm)

Denyer
2012-02-21, 02:00 PM
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1202/21/transformersrobots25.htm

Forced perspective doesn't quite work. Having said that, the rest of the art's better.

"Doesn't quite work" sums up the title, though. There doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting in this book. Maybe that's the point, a slow by-the-numbers stroll through stock situations for people who bought the previous ongoing.

zigzagger
2012-02-21, 04:57 PM
The colorist was taking some liberties, I see. Fourth page, there's a cone-headed generic decked out like Fitor. A heavily Cybertronianized Fitor, anyway.

Mmm, there's some intriguing things happening here, I'll admit, but I'm still not sure if I really want to commit to a second Transformers book. So many times bitten, as I've said elsewhere.

Terome
2012-02-21, 05:51 PM
"Doesn't quite work" sums up the title, though. There doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting in this book. Maybe that's the point, a slow by-the-numbers stroll through stock situations for people who bought the previous ongoing.

Being easily pleased, I quite liked the visual of Ratbat hanging upside down on that double-page spread.

Maybe all the characters should be cute animals? It would up the readership.

Terome
2012-02-23, 01:02 AM
It is now out.

And ho ho ho - the shadowy figure is out of the shadows and Ratbat turns out to be a big fat red herring. Bumblebee patches things up with Metalhawk, which means embracing Starscream to his chunky yellow bosom. And then Skywarp gets stabbed in the tits and electrocuted, kind of worryingly reminiscent of American Psycho.

Yuks all round.

Paul053
2012-02-23, 03:28 PM
Read it and like it very much.
Starscream finally be like a Starscream. But just wonder how far he can go since Shockwave and Soundwave are behind running things.

Also kind of disappointed that Prowl is not working with a Decepticon but that psycho. But that's a reasonable choice I think.

Terome
2012-02-23, 06:02 PM
Vocal chords: The hardest part of any Transformer to fix.

Denyer
2012-02-23, 08:43 PM
Ratbat turns out to be a big fat red herring.
Plus point. Any indication the next four issues are going anywhere fast?

Red Dave Prime
2012-02-23, 09:35 PM
Some plus points and bad points to this issue, and overall its got enough to keep things interesting. But I feel it will be how Barber deals with the events of this issue and last issue will show if this comic can live up to its promise.

First point is Bumblebee and his actions dealing with the decepticons. Last issue he kills Horri-bull at the touch of a button and here he assaults Starscream with little provocation. Now if we see how he deals with the repercussions of those actions especially as at the end of this issue he makes the big peace play.

Similarly withArcee and the fact that she slaughters Ratbat despite it being clear that Prowl was just looking for an arrest Again its how this is dealt with (or if it is dealt with at all) that could turn Barbers book from a simple comic with an awkward premise to an interesting look at how wartime minds adjust to working within limits again. Which could also tie in with events at the end of LSOTW, especially regarding how Prowl deals with these issues - although nothings linked yet.

We also get a nice take on starscream - hopefully he is shown as a proper manipulator even if its just to be a publicity savy political figurehead :)

Also I liked Skywarps comment on Bumblebee - a sly nod to what was the worst 4 parter I think IDW put out yet.

It's not all good though. Some of the dialogue seems just a bit too cheesy (decepti-toast). Soundwaves voice box problems seem silly and I hate that his face plate is still busted. I'm also not 100% sold on the colouring. It Everything seems to feel like its set in a permanent blue-grey night.
And much as I liked how she destroyed Ratbat, I hate the way her face is drawn

There's some good potential here, with some interesting plotlines possible and although I expect Barber to follow a more standard good vs evil approach, a slightly more adult insight into some of the fractured personalities on show could make this a great read.

Terome
2012-02-24, 04:32 AM
Plus point. Any indication the next four issues are going anywhere fast?

Quite possibly. If anything, this issue announced that Barber's not terribly interested in a slow burn and will actually move the pieces around before you've lost interest in them.

Summerhayes
2012-02-24, 03:50 PM
For me at least, this series hasn't been anywhere near as bad as everyone expected. It might be my lack of experience but this relative peacetime seems really fresh.

Also, thanks to a combination of looking really cute here and being brilliant in the old Marvels, Ratbat's becoming a favourite.

Brimstone
2012-02-24, 05:20 PM
Similarly withArcee and the fact that she slaughters Ratbat despite it being clear that Prowl was just looking for an arrestI'm not sure that's true. I read it as Prowl saying, "get your story straight, for when the questions start coming." Not that he actually wanted it done.

Denyer
2012-02-24, 07:25 PM
Quite possibly. If anything, this issue announced that Barber's not terribly interested in a slow burn and will actually move the pieces around before you've lost interest in them.
Sensible. Slow burn's something you either need goodwill to start with or to make the setup very interesting getting there.

Will probably give it the first arc, have a read, and if that's any good order the trade and the singles from #7 or whatever.

Warcry
2012-02-26, 06:32 PM
I'm not sure that's true. I read it as Prowl saying, "get your story straight, for when the questions start coming." Not that he actually wanted it done.
That's how I read it too.

I'm not sure how I feel about this issue, to be honest. Ratbat was my favourite Decepticon leader in the comics, and I was hoping he'd get a decent run as the lead villain here. But the arrogant, corrupt senator we saw here really doesn't really have anything in common with the banal, pencil-pushing bureaucrat portrayal that made him so much fun in the old Marvel comics, so it's really no great loss.

I definitely enjoyed Starscream's portrayal, which is probably a first when it comes to G1 Starscream. Ironically enough I think his personality and skill set make him ideally suited to thrive and maybe even become a good guy in this environment, insofar as it'll be in his best interests to prevent violence and help Bumblebee and Metalhawk keep the peace.

Bumblebee, on the other hand, felt like a kid throwing a tantrum when he didn't get his own way. A big part of the point of this series obviously is that he's just not cut out to be leader (yet) but that doesn't mean I like to see him written as petulant and unlikable. Bumblebee will always be the happy kid-friendly character to me, and seeing him become a hugely unsympathetic jerk without any real lead-up (since in spite of being 'leader' he was rarely an important character in Costa's run) makes it hard for me to care about him here. And weaponized or not he really needs to get rid of that idiotic 'walking stick'. It was stupid when Costa came up with it and it's still stupid now.

Shockwave not giving a **** about what's going on was a nice touch, and fits in well with his previous IDW characterization of just wanting to be left alone to do mad science. I don't know if that was a deliberate twist they decided to put on the character or if that's just how it's worked out as he's been passed off from Furman to Roberts to Costa to Barber, but it's a nice synthesis of all the previous takes on the character (Marvel, the cartoon and DW) distilled into a single personality.

Soundwave not being able to talk annoys me though, and whether it's Barber being 'cute' by referencing the current cartoon or Hasbro ordering IDW to make the character more like he is in TF:Prime I think it's a bad idea. Furman always did a great job writing Soundwave back in the 80s, but other than a short interlude in Spotlight: Soundwave I don't think anyone's ever even tried to explore the character in modern fiction. He was promoted as a major character in this series and I was hoping to see some character development, but so far at least the best we can hope for is him being a plot device and silent sentinel toward whoever becomes leader now that Ratbat's gone.

Oh, and I know this one is Furman's fault rather than Barber's...but Psycho Transsexual Arcee is still ridiculous. I read this issue right after watching the latest episode of TF:Prime, and the contrast between the comics' one-dimensional bloodthirsty crazy person and the relatable, sympathetic, intelligent and caring (and much more 'badass' for all of it) Arcee in the cartoons is just painful. IDW Arcee is just embarrassing, frankly, and the sooner someone puts a laser beam through her head the better.

Terome
2012-02-26, 06:35 PM
Sensible. Slow burn's something you either need goodwill to start with or to make the setup very interesting getting there.

Will probably give it the first arc, have a read, and if that's any good order the trade and the singles from #7 or whatever.

That's probably wise. There is a lot of potential in this book, but there's also an awful lot that can go wrong with it. Those things seem to be pretty obvious, so hopefully Barber knows about them too. He's a seasoned editor and probably has one of the most impressive resumes out of any Transformers writer so far, besides Abnett and Lanning, although they had the mother of all false starts.

My chief worry on this is that if the book goes the way it seems to want to go, there might be a judicious application of the Hasbro Hammer. They seem to be getting far more active in the comics, nixing certain character deaths and acting especially nervous about things like side-swapping and details that conflict with whatever they consider important on any particular month. They've been obsessed with that Thirteen Primes nonsense for years, for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if Soundwave's silence came from Hasbro's suggestion.

At least, that's the overall impression I am getting from interviews, which were all worded very carefully and diplomatically, so I might be getting the wrong end of the stick. But now that Hasbro is gearing itself to be more of an IP holding company than a toy manufacturer, they are putting far more resources into centrally managing their brands.

Hennessy
2012-03-20, 12:01 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/osg4ck.jpg

Preview of RID #3 (http://www.polarismagazine.co.uk/preview-idw-transformers-robots-in-disguise-3)

zigzagger
2012-03-21, 09:24 PM
To whom it may concern; word has it (http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=11602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30) that this one will not be out until next week, March 28.

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Heh, I gotta love the blatant retcon of Dirge's fate from AHM. His explanation read a little stilted, though.

inflatable dalek
2012-03-24, 09:28 PM
After a bit of a stock delay at One Shall Stand I'm caught up:

Yeah, another nice solid issue. Torn on Ratbat, though he really wasn't anything like the Marvel version he was still good vain fun. The fact that consequences come and bite you on the arse quickly in this book is a nice touch though. And Prowl actually gets to be competent and cool for once (loved the twist on the real reason he wanted a word with Wheeljack).

But, as Warcry notes, Bumblebee is being written terribly. He's gone off the edge too quickly and is doing worse in a similar situation than Grimlock did post Edge of Extinction. Killing Horri-Bull made sense, attacking a Decepticon who hasn't actually done anything yet in full view of everyone is just stupid and wrong on every level.

Red Dave Prime
2012-03-31, 01:05 AM
3 issues in and there is just something not quite clicking with me and RID. It's not bad at all by any means and I quite like an issue where the story is self contained but feeding into the overall arc. But there is a feeling that maybe it's trying just a little to hard to be different and maybe suffering for that.

In this issue the following things struck me:

1 - Dirge. I appreciate that Barber is trying to show that he has read the previous issues and is keeping continuity in-line but I found Dirge still being alive a bit of a non-event. I get that they wanted to show how the decepticons feel mistreated too but it's never really explored with Dirge. Minor quibble but its one of those things that struck me as trying too hard.

edit: Oh and double thumbs up for the cover with Starscream in a "Superman" pose. Well drawn and it got a laugh out of me.

2 - Metalhawk (and the nails) - for a guy who seems to be a main player we really know nothing about him - or any of the nails in fact. A bit more of a focus on these cybertronians would help establish them into the story. With the next issue focusing back on Prowl and Bombshell, it makes the nails feel more like background issue when they should be a main focus, at least for the first few issues to establish them.

3 - Starscream - I really like Barbers take on Starscream but it seems to have jumped a bit. If this was straight after AHM it would make sense, but the last time we saw Starscream in any great deal, he shot Thundercracker in the back because he didn't want to overthrow Megatron and conquer the universe with him. I may have missed something but it seems a little bit of a stretch that he suddenly sees things as they are and is happy to gain power purely through political means (and if there is going to be a traitorous turn from Starscream than Barber, I am disappointed...)

4 - Arcee Face - Sort this one out because it just looks like some weird transvestite.

5 - Ratbats death - I get that the autobots are trying to cover up the murder of Ratbat but his body was discovered by one of the constructicons nailed to a wall by a spike with his legs sliced off. There is no way that it can be covered up as a suicide. It simple isn't believable.

Another minor blip in the issue is when the aerielbots turn to leave. They walk away. Think about that for a second :)

But its still not a bad issue and there's still potential. Its just that while MTMTE seems to have found its flow and style, RID seems to still be searching for its appeal. Certainly its no Costa tragedy, and its worth a few more issues - although issue 6 may be a real tester...

inflatable dalek
2012-04-03, 06:48 PM
Still continues to be generally solid stuff, not pants wettingly exciting which perhaps it really needs to be to kick up the pace a bit, but, apart from the deeply stupid Barrel Roll the never before mentioned Arielbot (seriously, they couldn't have set him up in one of the first two issues to make that less blatent? I certainly wasn't up enough on my European exclusive Mini-con sets to even know he ever had a toy without checking) being especially grating.

Starscream continues to be very well written though, he and Prowl are really the stars of the series aren't they?

And yet another little knock of AHM with the revelation Dirge alone managed to avoid the supposedly deadly Swarm all by himself.

Terome
2012-04-03, 11:13 PM
Yeah, 'solid' is definitely the word. I really enjoyed this one. Didn't care much about Barrel Roll redshirting it up. He's as much of an Aerialbot than Slingshot or Fireflight at this point.

Wheeljack gets more character here than he's ever gotten, Starscream is interesting for the first time I can remember and guys like Dirge and Silverbolt finally got some lines. Silverbolt isn't such an odd choice for 'guy who snaps under the pressure' since he's a nutcase when he isn't horribly bland. He's gone from a zero-dimensional character to a one-dimensional character which is a step in the right direction.

I also like Prowl getting more and more out of his depth. That 'suicide' line is going to come back to haunt him. I grew up in South Africa, where recent history has a great many examples of clever, capable people in authority who never let anyone forget how strong their contempt could be. I could see Prowl in one of those Truth And Reconciliation hearings talking about the people he suicided.

Worst bit was the painful roll-call of Starscream's buddies, which shrinks the world for no reason and makes very little sense for the continuity but that's small potatoes. Would like to see the story jump forward a bit for the next issue, but this was a nice way to flesh out the world and the subsidary characters for a bit while the plot spinned its wheels.

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-03, 11:45 PM
I liked the role-call of all the inactive seekers - it kinda cemented Starscreams isolation and gives him some motivation to change his ways. I'd love to see him start up a heroic (or at least neutral) group of new seekers - Acid Storm, Sunstorm and Slip Stream could all make an appearance.

I agree that Wheeljack gets a nice bit of time here. I think he could work well as one of the main cast, maybe even being the heart of the group compared to the more political likes of Prowl, Bumblebee, Metal Hawk etc. I also really liked his chunky design.

One thing that is worrying me is that the setup here is interesting and needs time to establish to get the most out of it. I feel the return of Orion Pax in issue 6 is going to undo much of that good ground work and we could slowly slip into the same problems which blighted Costas early work - Other Bots are in charge but everyone still looks to Prime/ Pax as the real head guy

Terome
2012-04-04, 01:12 AM
Just had a thought - what's with all the fake maths on the cover? Wheeljack's problem is a straightforward electrical circuit but on a grand scale. We have mathematics for those.

Red Dave Prime:

Yeah, I am dreading that development. Though from the solicits, it seems that Orion is going to be hunting down Shockwave off-world. Still, probability of it being a bum note could be high.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-04, 06:52 PM
Just had a thought - what's with all the fake maths on the cover? Wheeljack's problem is a straightforward electrical circuit but on a grand scale. We have mathematics for those.

It's SPACE maths. IDW have always been very inconsistent on whether or not we see (presumably translated for our benefit) Cybertronian writing as English, whether is is actually in English, or if it's genuine gibberish. MTMTE seems to be doing one of the first two with RID the later. IIRC the worst example is in the New Avengers crossover where Wolverine is able to read Cybertronian as Cybertronian.

Did the whole suicide thing remind anyone else of the election episode of Blackadder the Third? "Senator Ratbat died in a tragic accident where he accidentally stabbed himself in the chest and ripped a wing off whilst shaving".

Did anyone else want Dirge to respond to the "How many of us died during those weeks?" with "Errr.... one. And he got better later. In terms of long term casualties Megatron's cunning Autobot ambush only successfully killed one Decepticon". Though him being fussy about the Autobots mistreatment of him on Cybertron was a bit rich considering he and Deluge would have been the only ones with weapons and the Autobots still let them go after disarming them.

der2
2012-04-04, 08:57 PM
I really enjoyed the issue and have the series so far, it is not as good as MTMTE, but such is life and I don't want it to take away from the title. Wheeljack was awesome throughout, nice to see that there is absolutely no infrastructure for the planet to try and piece it's civilisation back together, even currency exchange isn't happening.

I would like to see more focus on the nails too and how they're coping with their world being torn apart.

Starscream going into politics seems to be a good role for him to go for, though I'd expect he's gonna wind up in charge, silver tongued devil that he is.

Cool to see Prowl side with a con over an Autobot, so it'll be interesting where that leads.

We finally get rid of Prime, I'm worried about his return, even if he's Orion Pax, he hasn't been gone very long.

Less Bumblebee please.

Is that Red Alert in the first couple of pages? Isn't he on the Lost Light?

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-04, 09:04 PM
Did the whole suicide thing remind anyone else of the election episode of Blackadder the Third? "Senator Ratbat died in a tragic accident where he accidentally stabbed himself in the chest and ripped a wing off whilst shaving".

That suicide thing is a big misstep. Surely claiming that he was taken out by one of his own troops would be more credible. He was pinned to the middle of the bloody wall with no feet.

Did anyone else want Dirge to respond to the "How many of us died during those weeks?" with "Errr.... one. And he got better later. In terms of long term casualties Megatron's cunning Autobot ambush only successfully killed one Decepticon". Though him being fussy about the Autobots mistreatment of him on Cybertron was a bit rich considering he and Deluge would have been the only ones with weapons and the Autobots still let them go after disarming them.

The more I think about it the sillier dirges position becomes. They were going to feed the Autobots to the swarm for petes sake. Its not like he was just gaurding them in cells.

Its not a fault of IDW transformers fiction alone but if you are going to go the route of peacetime after war you have to take into account what went before. Why all the cons weren't placed into stasis (as opposed to the most lax prison ever)is beyond me.

Warcry
2012-04-06, 04:19 PM
4 - Arcee Face - Sort this one out because it just looks like some weird transvestite.
But she is! Although I agree that she looks terrible.

I wasn't impressed with this one, honestly. Like Bumblebee last issue, Silverbolt's freakout came right out of nowhere. In fact, it's even worse since to the best of my knowledge he hasn't even had any lines since 2008 or so. And using his War For Cybertron design didn't help since it meant I had no idea who he was until he was addressed by name. In general I think the Aerialbots are an odd choice to "walk away" over having to work with the Decepticons, because one of the few bits of characterization they've gotten in older works has show them to be among the most accepting Autobots when it comes to the 'Cons (in the cartoon when the idolized them, and in G2 when fighting alongside them merited little more than lighthearted "Rescued by 'Cons? We'll never live it down!" jokes). And while I could see Air Raid going along with Silverbolt unquestioningly, Skydive, Fireflight and especially Slingshot don't seem the type so it's a shame that we didn't get to see the team discussing the situation amongst themselves at all.

I agree that Dirge comes off as a dumbass. "You Autobots left me to die at the hands of the Swarm for no reason other than me trying to leave you to die at the hands of the Swarm. You bastards!" Moron.

Wheeljack's obvious contempt for "King Bee" was refreshing, though, and it was nice to see him solve a problem with his brain instead of resorting to brutalizing Decepticons and/or NAILs to make things better. It's nice to see that not all of the Autobots with their head on straight left on the Lost Light.

Did the whole suicide thing remind anyone else of the election episode of Blackadder the Third? "Senator Ratbat died in a tragic accident where he accidentally stabbed himself in the chest and ripped a wing off whilst shaving".
Yeah. That was a bit shameless, even for Prowl. Couldn't he have at least tried to blame it on Decepticon infighting or something else vaguely plausible?

Did anyone else want Dirge to respond to the "How many of us died during those weeks?" with "Errr.... one. And he got better later. In terms of long term casualties Megatron's cunning Autobot ambush only successfully killed one Decepticon".
Well, to be fair the Decepticons did successfully kill a lot of Autobots during the attack on Garrus 9, and apparently elsewhere around the galaxy. Though notably those successes only happened on worlds where Megatron wasn't in direct command.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-06, 07:57 PM
Well, to be fair the Decepticons did successfully kill a lot of Autobots during the attack on Garrus 9, and apparently elsewhere around the galaxy. Though notably those successes only happened on worlds where Megatron wasn't in direct command.

Of course, that does raise the point (albeit one that may have been addressed in the Costa Crap) that virtually all of the Autobots were supposed to have been killed during AHM. I can accept the conceit that the survivors happen to be 99.99% toy based characters, but shouldn't the Decepticons still hugely outnumber them?

Warcry
2012-04-06, 08:38 PM
That's a fair point. Even if you assume that every other Decepticon unit was as utterly useless as Starscream's was without Megatron to hold their hand and tell them what to do, and that they suffered similar levels of stupidity-based attrition as the group of 'Cons that we've been following, there should still be huge numbers of Decepticons running around the galaxy virtually unopposed. Though that wouldn't necessarily have an impact on RID (since I think the only Decepticons on Cybertron are the ones who were with Megatron on Earth) Rodimus and his crew should be practically tripping over them as they wander around the galaxy.

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-07, 02:19 PM
Plus a few must have been hovered up in the Deceptigod gestalt thing. Sure, most some fine after, but megatron whacked quite the chunk out of that thing.

It's interesting that if AHM had of gone through to a more downbeat conclusion (like Autobots save earth but Megatron and the cons have taken most of the galaxy) it would have made the ongoing have a easily set out storyline - small autobot rebellion against a much larger decepticon empire. Funny how IDWs various editors all want to try the after-war scenario instead.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-07, 04:52 PM
It's interesting that if AHM had of gone through to a more downbeat conclusion (like Autobots save earth but Megatron and the cons have taken most of the galaxy) it would have made the ongoing have a easily set out storyline - small autobot rebellion against a much larger decepticon empire. Funny how IDWs various editors all want to try the after-war scenario instead.

But that is what happens at the end of AHM isn't it?

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-07, 05:48 PM
Well actually, apart from megs being in rough shape, yeah it is :) but for some reason when we next see the decepticons they are a small, shattered force that are resorting to cannibalism. And i cant for the life of me remember why.

I was thinking more along the lines that megatron survives intact and the decepticons become a dominant, united force against the whole galaxy. Think it would have been a better set up for the ongoing instead of the shambles we got.

StarscreamX
2012-04-08, 04:40 PM
Gotta say I'm loving Starscream right now. This is the first interesting thing anyone's done with the guy in as long as I can remember and I'm liking how his motivations are being kept secret. We've got no idea if all his talk about regretting past actions and wanting to change is true, or if like Prowl suggests, him helping the NAILS was just a way to score a "PR Victory" and he's still the same old power hungry Starscream, plotting to betray the Autobots

Having him as a political schemer is a lot more interesting than having him be the daft prick who rants about how he's going to be leader of the Decepticons while less than a foot away from Megatron every half hour, so even if he is going to fall back on his treacherous ways at least it's being done in a smarter and more interesting way than the generic stuff in Infiltration, All Hail Megatron and Revenge of the Decepticons.

"King 'Bee"? In-Joke toward King Grimlock or forshadowing that Bumblebee's leadership is going to turn out to be as godawful as Grimlock's was? I can't see 'Bee becoming as much of a tyrant as Grimlock was during his time as leader but then again the pressure already seems to be getting to him

Silverbolt and the Aerialbots leaving was a nice twist, it'll be interesting to see if they end up becoming a threat to both the Autobots and the Decepticons down the road. Given that Silverbolt seems to be a bloody nutter I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a villain in the future

For a guy who's meant to be pretty smart, Prowl can be pretty damn thick sometimes can't he? Does he seriously think anyone is going to buy the idea that Ratbat commited suicicide? Even DIRGE can see that that's a load of bollocks and when you can't even trick Dirge you know you're doing a piss poor job

Terome
2012-04-08, 06:08 PM
For a guy who's meant to be pretty smart, Prowl can be pretty damn thick sometimes can't he? Does he seriously think anyone is going to buy the idea that Ratbat commited suicicide? Even DIRGE can see that that's a load of bollocks and when you can't even trick Dirge you know you're doing a piss poor job

Some real-life context to Prowl's suicide report:

http://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/iv-death-steve-biko

Steve Biko died in detention following a 'hunger strike,' after which he 'appeared unwell.' Solomon Modipane died after 'slipping on a piece of soap.'

Prowl's not being thick, he's making threats.

Summerhayes
2012-04-09, 02:27 PM
I've got #3 of RiD and MtmtE at home waiting for me, so I'll pass proper judgement later. But I've actually enjoyed rid from the start

zigzagger
2012-04-23, 10:47 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers: Robots In Disguise #4 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=46208)

Bluecatcinema
2012-04-24, 01:32 PM
Looks like Bombshell's up to his old tricks again.

Red Dave Prime
2012-04-24, 07:40 PM
Looks like Bombshell's up to his old tricks again.

The Blaggard!

Terome
2012-04-24, 09:55 PM
I have a feeling that we're going to get a needlessly complicated explanation for Bombshell being in Spotlight: Blaster. Is that what we wanted?

TLB80
2012-04-25, 11:23 AM
I have a feeling that we're going to get a needlessly complicated explanation for Bombshell being in Spotlight: Blaster. Is that what we wanted?

Didn't we already get one in the form of 'oh, it was a different guy that just happened to be called Bombshell and look exactly like him'?

Anyway, this preview raises a lot of questions. Will Bombshell survive this? (I hope he does) How long will it take for the Autobots to figure out who's behind it all? (I mean, the cerebro-shells look exactly like Bombshell) How many more characters will Barber kill off? And how genius are IDW's editors for letting a typo get in the bloody title?

I suppose I'll find out soon.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-25, 07:25 PM
Perhaps Bombshell's twin and Blaster's twin from Stormbringer went off and had lots of exciting adventures?

Terome
2012-04-25, 07:51 PM
Perhaps Bombshell's twin and Blaster's twin from Stormbringer went off and had lots of exciting adventures?

Those were the Lethal Weapon movies. They didn't have the budget to include robots back then so they just used people and reckoned no one would notice. It was a successful gambit!

I have read this now and I thought it was like a lot of the other issues of this title: It contained some cool ideas and some surprisingly bold moves. Looks like Prowl now boasts a named bodycount higher than any other Autobot we've met, that Griffith is pretty awkward at putting these character designs through the athletics that the script asks and that they totally punked us with 'Turmoil' being in the solicitations. There's a much better Decepticon mentioned in the Next Issue slot.

I hope they go all the way and have Dirge be the protagonist of this story. He's the only character, bar Wheeljack, who doesn't seem to be going steadily insane. I'd also like to see them lay off of Prowl for a while. This issue was a double-thick extra dose of him and I'm not convinced that there's much more to learn about him. I'd be impressed if he is being set up to be murdered quite soon.

relak
2012-04-26, 05:41 AM
lol. is "Devisive" meant to be intentional?

TLB80
2012-04-26, 05:44 PM
Sooooo.....I just read this, and I'm basically tempted to rename this comic 'Transformers: Hey Guys, Come Watch Prowl and Arcee Kill All The Decepticons'.

Thus far we've had Horri-Bull, Ratbat, possibly Skywarp, and now Skydive the Predator, Sunstorm, Bombshell and the remaining Constructicons.

I really don't see why it is necessary for Barber to kill off every single 'Con that isn't Starscream. If this were the '80s and he was clearing shelves, maybe I would be more understanding, but right now he's killing every single villain within an issue of them appearing, and this is annoying.

Also, I'm sorry, but Sky-Byte? I haven't got anything against the character, but is G1 really so lacking in characters that it is necessary to drag in people from other lines?

Terome
2012-04-26, 05:56 PM
I'm not too concerned about having a lack of characters around - there's nothing brilliant and compelling that could have been done with the Constructicons or Horri-bull that, say, Rippersnapper couldn't do. The only death that felt a bit odd was Bombshell's, as it looked like he had an arc that was maybe going somewhere. Though a character can still in play despite being dead - something weird was going on with that guy and we'll probably see more about what it was.

As for Sky-Byte, I imagine that, like Starscream, he's got the advantage of not being a blank slate, or as close to one for the purposes of the comic. Bonecrusher and Skydive don't have that going for them. Ratbat did, but his death was an important bit of set-up, and the same may turn out to be true of Bombshell.

Over at the Allspark, they are going nuts over the high bodycount. I have trouble being convinced by a lot of the rationales going around other than 'I liked him!'
Now, if Dirge were to be suddenly knocked off, that could be a sign of sloppy writing, because he's been set up in a way that suggest he's got a further role to play. I liked Long Haul getting lines earlier, but he's still just a mook.

Besides, they will live on forever in our hearts, minds, trademark registrations, etc.

Terome
2012-04-26, 05:59 PM
lol. is "Devisive" meant to be intentional?

Over on Facebook, Barber points out that it is supposed to be a pun.
Not sure if it's a terribly good one...

TLB80
2012-04-26, 06:20 PM
I'm not too concerned about having a lack of characters around - there's nothing brilliant and compelling that could have been done with the Constructicons or Horri-bull that, say, Rippersnapper couldn't do. The only death that felt a bit odd was Bombshell's, as it looked like he had an arc that was maybe going somewhere. Though a character can still in play despite being dead - something weird was going on with that guy and we'll probably see more about what it was.

As for Sky-Byte, I imagine that, like Starscream, he's got the advantage of not being a blank slate, or as close to one for the purposes of the comic. Bonecrusher and Skydive don't have that going for them. Ratbat did, but his death was an important bit of set-up, and the same may turn out to be true of Bombshell.

Over at the Allspark, they are going nuts over the high bodycount. I have trouble being convinced by a lot of the rationales going around other than 'I liked him!'
Now, if Dirge were to be suddenly knocked off, that could be a sign of sloppy writing, because he's been set up in a way that suggest he's got a further role to play. I liked Long Haul getting lines earlier, but he's still just a mook.

Besides, they will live on forever in our hearts, minds, trademark registrations, etc.

What really annoys me is basically the insistence on 'every issue must have at least one death' that we've seen so far. It is worryingly looking like Barber feels he needs to kill people off to keep the series interesting or whatever.

We're four issues into a peacetime series, for christ's sake, and I've already seen almost as many deaths than I have in the Ongoing. I might as well be reading the Underbase Saga.

Terome
2012-04-26, 06:29 PM
What really annoys me is basically the insistence on 'every issue must have at least one death' that we've seen so far. It is worryingly looking like Barber feels he needs to kill people off to keep the series interesting or whatever.

We're four issues into a peacetime series, for christ's sake, and I've already seen almost as many deaths than I have in the Ongoing. I might as well be reading the Underbase Saga.

Isn't that the point, though? That these guys have survived so much, but put them all in a confined space and force them to do Politics and they've got no way to deal or to defend themselves. They're being killed by racism, paranoia and the occasional spell of pure bad luck.

It's heavy-handed, sure. That's a legitimate problem with the writing. But you've got to admit that there's a lot more craft to it than Underbase.

StarscreamX
2012-04-29, 12:05 PM
So how are we feeling about Prowl's actions here? Because right now it seems to be that he's not only gone out of his mind, he's also crossed the line once and for all. What he did to Ratbat I can understand, given that he was planning a violent attack on innocent Autobots and Neutrals and Prowl killing the Constructicons could be called self defence as there were five of them, one of him and all of them were armed and planning to kill him

But his murder of Bombshell was totally not needed. Bombshell was at his mercy, defenceless and the Autobots currently control the whole bloody planet so it's not like one delusional Decepticon was much of a threat. Plus killing Bombshell means that Prowl has no idea who he was working with on this so he's now got no way of which other Decepticons might have been involved. I'm betting that Soundwave and Shockwave are the ringleaders of this. It would explain why Shockwave didn't give a damn about Ratbat's plans back in issue two

And Prowl clearly planning to kill Dirge just for being a witness to his murder of Bombshell makes me think that he really can't be called a hero anymore. Even if he's got good intentions, he's gone way too far

Not that I mind Prowl being a villain. I kind of like that some of the roles are being reversed, with guys like Starscream emerging as more morally grey than out and out villains while the Aerialbots and Prowl seem to be heading towards playing more villainous roles in this story

Makes you wonder what the bloody hell he told Bumblebee though doesn't it? Somehow I doubt his version of events involved him chasing Bombshell down and blowing his head off while he was making no attempt to fight back.

Terome
2012-04-29, 02:33 PM
So how are we feeling about Prowl's actions here? Because right now it seems to be that he's not only gone out of his mind, he's also crossed the line once and for all. What he did to Ratbat I can understand, given that he was planning a violent attack on innocent Autobots and Neutrals and Prowl killing the Constructicons could be called self defence as there were five of them, one of him and all of them were armed and planning to kill him

I think it's an interesting move. Prowl is... severely racist, and the king of cognitive dissonance. (Seriously, "Can't afford to doubt?" Yeah, that's thinking clearly.) It makes sense for a guy like that to act like a monster, given the opportunity. The only part I'm not convinced by is that he must surely have known that Arcee wasn't the best choice for his lethal enforcer. But I suppose there's drama in those hills.

More Dirge as a counterpoint to all this nefariousness would be welcome.

inflatable dalek
2012-04-30, 07:21 PM
Isn't that the point, though? That these guys have survived so much, but put them all in a confined space and force them to do Politics and they've got no way to deal or to defend themselves. They're being killed by racism, paranoia and the occasional spell of pure bad luck.

It's heavy-handed, sure. That's a legitimate problem with the writing. But you've got to admit that there's a lot more craft to it than Underbase.

Yeah, I'd say that's hitting the nail on the head. There's a lot of good intentions in this book, but they're not quite being pulled off.

The problem this month is we're presented with a murder mystery where, even if you missed the solicitations and the cover that gives it away, is still solved almost instantly. There is some mystery in why he's doing it, but no one seems to care about that. Overall it was just a bit dull.

Minor niggles: OK, Prowl didn't want Ratbat dead despite it not seeming like that in issue 2... So why did he send official psycho killer Frank N. Furter to bring him in? Was there no other Autobot who could overpower Ratbat?

How did Blurr not see Arcee in the fight? Or at least hear her lengthy loud monologue?

It's been three issues since the Autobots found out one of the ID chips didn't work, why haven't they followed this up in the meantime and at least checked the others? And it's amazing all the Decepticons are so self controlled not one of them has transformed in public before now.

Waffling on about Spike. No. One. Gives. A. ****.

If we view the two ongoings as just one big fortnightly comic, it has to be said that RID is now looking like those issues of the old UK weekly that reprinted the dull mid-period Bob stuff you'd skim through whilst waiting for the next Prey. Which is a shame as Barber does by far have the harder task of the two writers so it's no surprise it's not working as well, but this book needs an imense kick up the arse so it's not just being read in case anything ties into the good one.

A nice bit: The two Prowl's conversation in MTMTE clearly being set up for the two Skydive's here.

Terome
2012-04-30, 11:07 PM
Minor niggles: OK, Prowl didn't want Ratbat dead despite it not seeming like that in issue 2... So why did he send official psycho killer Frank N. Furter to bring him in? Was there no other Autobot who could overpower Ratbat?

How did Blurr not see Arcee in the fight? Or at least hear her lengthy loud monologue?

It's been three issues since the Autobots found out one of the ID chips didn't work, why haven't they followed this up in the meantime and at least checked the others? And it's amazing all the Decepticons are so self controlled not one of them has transformed in public before now.

Waffling on about Spike. No. One. Gives. A. ****.


Yeah, I don't see why Sideswipe or Jazz couldn't do any of the things Prowl has Arcee doing. Because if he wants Arcee to do the dirty business why does he tell her not to do any dirty business? I guess that the reason we're supposed to gravitate towards is that he doesn't trust any of the more established Autobots to have his back at this point, but that seems to be less of a problem than the solution he has arrived at.

The I/D chips I can understand - after murdering Horri-bull and then flinching, the Autobots simply don't have the footing to round up the Decepticons for another round of brain surgery like they did before the NAILs showed up. They missed a real trick in not examining the one that came out of Ratbat's head, or Dirge's while he was in the floaty Star Wars tank.
(Those always bug me in Transformers - what clear liquid is in there that allows them to float?)

Was similarly unmoved by Prowl's hate-crush on Spike. Though it does lend a lot to his general air of cracking up.

If we view the two ongoings as just one big fortnightly comic, it has to be said that RID is now looking like those issues of the old UK weekly that reprinted the dull mid-period Bob stuff you'd skim through whilst waiting for the next Prey. Which is a shame as Barber does by far have the harder task of the two writers so it's no surprise it's not working as well, but this book needs an imense kick up the arse so it's not just being read in case anything ties into the good one.

I wouldn't be that harsh. RID is a bit squidgy, but I think it deserves points for, like Bob at his best, being genuinely imaginative and unprecious. I'm going to read it until it becomes actively stupid, which looks like it could be around the six-issue mark where Prime and the Dinobots go out to beat up Shockwave for reasons that are unlikely to make much sense, as part of a very Dreamwavey 'Dinobot Month.'

Until then: Sky-Byte! I like Sky-Byte.

inflatable dalek
2012-05-01, 07:17 AM
Yeah, I don't see why Sideswipe or Jazz couldn't do any of the things Prowl has Arcee doing. Because if he wants Arcee to do the dirty business why does he tell her not to do any dirty business? I guess that the reason we're supposed to gravitate towards is that he doesn't trust any of the more established Autobots to have his back at this point, but that seems to be less of a problem than the solution he has arrived at.

I think the problem for me is, Prowl's behaviour here seems to be completely at odds with what he was doing earlier in the series.

The only way killing Ratbat (and his fairly blasé reaction to the news suggests that's what he wanted) made any sense was if he wanted to cover up the news of a Decepticon rising. If Ratbat had been brought in and the news of an attempted assassination of the Autobot leader had gotten out it almost certainly would have kicked off the whole war again.

Right or wrong that's a hell of a lot more understandable a position for him to take (bar the grey are over Skywarp, did he live or die? Based on this it'd be odd if he's in hospital but I don't think they've said either way have they?) than what we've seen here. Where he's ranting and raving at the end about a massive Decepticon conspiracy... with no proof to back it up because he's just had everyone who might be involved killed. So does he want to start up the war again or not?

It's very odd and feels like there's been some backtracking somewhere to try and make Prowl more overtly "Wrong" than I suspect was originally supposed to be the case.

It doesn't help that it's not entirely clear if there is actually a massive conspiracy or if Bombshell was acting as a lone loon and Prowl is just nuts.


Was similarly unmoved by Prowl's hate-crush on Spike. Though it does lend a lot to his general air of cracking up.

Whilst normally I'm in favour of making past continuity work rather than throwing it out, I think part of the problem here is it doesn't really make any sense unless you've read the ongoing. Prowl makes it sound as he's decided to be cynical because Spike turned out to be working for the Decepticons when he killed Scrapper. Or something. Mind, from what I've read what actually happened doesn't make much more sense but this doesn't help.


I wouldn't be that harsh. RID is a bit squidgy, but I think it deserves points for, like Bob at his best, being genuinely imaginative and unprecious. I'm going to read it until it becomes actively stupid, which looks like it could be around the six-issue mark where Prime and the Dinobots go out to beat up Shockwave for reasons that are unlikely to make much sense, as part of a very Dreamwavey 'Dinobot Month.'

That's after Deceptiocon Month isn't it? And just before "Lets Kill The Last Predators" month.

I'm probably being unfair on the series as a whole, but this was the weakest and least interesting issue yet. I'm worried the overall political stuff the series looked to be about is being sidelined very rapidly, Bumblebee didn't do anything but look stupid, Metalhawk was a mute and the next two issues seem to be ignoring the whole thing entirely.

Until then: Sky-Byte! I like Sky-Byte.

Yeah, I actually think that makes sense. He's a popular character (I'd say "Fan favourite" but that's now Turmoil territory. Sky-Bite probably counts as "Nationally known" in IDW's eyes) from a franchise that is almost certain never to get any new fiction based around it (hell, even the fanclub stuff seems to have ignored its tenth anniversary last year). porting him over is a smart thing to do.

As long as they play it to the hilt and do him properly without any attempt to make him less "Silly" as happened with so many of the Japanese BW characters.

And Prowl doesn't just have Arcee hack him to bits at the end of the issue.

Warcry
2012-05-03, 04:44 AM
Also, I'm sorry, but Sky-Byte? I haven't got anything against the character, but is G1 really so lacking in characters that it is necessary to drag in people from other lines?
Well, at the rate Barber is working through them the G1 Decepticons are all going to be dead within a couple years' time. He's got to think about the future, you know? ;)

(bar the grey are over Skywarp, did he live or die? Based on this it'd be odd if he's in hospital but I don't think they've said either way have they?)
I'm pretty sure Wheeljack made a comment about him being in jail last issue, when Starscream was going on about getting the Seekers back together.

I don't have much to say about this issue. Bombshell was wildly incompetent, Prowl is an asshole, Arcee is a psycho, I have no idea what just happened and worst of all, I'm not entirely sure that I care. Four issues in and the only main character who's even a touch sympathetic so far is Starscream. The rest of the cast range from needing a good slap to needing a bullet to the brain, and I'm finding it progressively harder to cheer for anyone. I understand that they're trying to make a morally grey story, but you accomplish that by giving all your protagonists a balance of merits and flaws so that the reader can decide who's in the right, not by making sure that each of them are blatantly evil.

inflatable dalek
2012-05-03, 07:59 AM
I'm pretty sure Wheeljack made a comment about him being in jail last issue, when Starscream was going on about getting the Seekers back together.


Oh... well that makes no sense then does it? No one seems to know about the assassination attempt so can he not talk? What crime is he actually in jail for officially?

And did we ever find out exactly why Bombshell killed (or I presume had Sunstorm kill for him, I can't see him doing the dirty himself) Skydive?

One good point I saw on (I think) the Allspark thread is it's incredibly contrived that Prowl drags Dirge around with him for no other reason so that he can see Bombshell get killed. Hard to buy they couldn't trace the signal without Dirge riding shotgun on Prowl's arse, especially as everybody's favourite nutter Autobot seems to go to great lengths to avoid minimising the involvement of anyone he doesn't absolutely need.

I actually think Blurr came over well this issue, mainly because like Dirge and Wheeljack to a certain extent he seems to be the only character going "Huh? Really?" at the contrived events around him. He was overly cocky going in, but actually seemed to learn from the experience.

Terome
2012-05-04, 12:09 AM
Oh... well that makes no sense then does it? No one seems to know about the assassination attempt so can he not talk? What crime is he actually in jail for officially?


I don't think detention without trial is beyond Prowl's capacity. moral or practical. There's also the possibility that he's being kept unconscious. As we may quite possibly be building to the downfall of Prowl, it might turn out to be a plot point?

One good point I saw on (I think) the Allspark thread is it's incredibly contrived that Prowl drags Dirge around with him for no other reason so that he can see Bombshell get killed. Hard to buy they couldn't trace the signal without Dirge riding shotgun on Prowl's arse, especially as everybody's favourite nutter Autobot seems to go to great lengths to avoid minimising the involvement of anyone he doesn't absolutely need.


Yeah, that one's definitely a hole.

I actually think Blurr came over well this issue, mainly because like Dirge and Wheeljack to a certain extent he seems to be the only character going "Huh? Really?" at the contrived events around him. He was overly cocky going in, but actually seemed to learn from the experience.

Four issues in and the only main character who's even a touch sympathetic so far is Starscream. The rest of the cast range from needing a good slap to needing a bullet to the brain, and I'm finding it progressively harder to cheer for anyone.

There's a lot more counterpoint going on than one gathers from the first read. Wheeljack remains sceptical, the 'one of us' line from Bumblebee about Blurr fell on deaf ears and Dirge seems to be becoming some kind of post-traumatic roboGandhi.

Well, at the rate Barber is working through them the G1 Decepticons are all going to be dead within a couple years' time. He's got to think about the future, you know?


Robots In Disguise #38: Jipe shows up. Is killed by Arcee, then by Prowl, then Arcee again. Dirge sees the whole thing, and weeps.

Paul053
2012-05-09, 10:37 PM
I enjoyed either MTMTE or RID so far. But this, this,,,,,,,,,, I really don't like it much. Don't really know why but guess the reason is Prowl brought back the guy who should never ever be named.

So here is my theory. Autobots died in MTMTE and Decepticons died in RID. That's the way they brought it even?

Like many people, the mystery Prowl dragged Dirge around is really unknown. Totally not logical but guess there could be a purpose later. I hope.

Bumblebee, he should really be fired.

Scrapper got killed and now all Constructicons are dead. Now since Bombshell is dead, I guess the other two Inceticons will be dead soon.......................

Red Dave Prime
2012-05-10, 07:28 PM
After four issues of RID I'm not sure I "get" what Barber is aiming for. Worse still, I'm not sure Barber gets it 100% himself.

At points in this issue I was under the impression that Prowl was starting to get lost within his own machinations and starting to realise that actions like teaming with a psycho like Arcee where taken him further from his ideals and more towards the type of autobot he despised. But then at the end he starts slaughtering Decepticons and declaring war against anyone who doesnt fall in line.

Something needs to tie this book together and give it an overall focus. I would have thought that the arrival of the nails would have seen more of a focus on them being interjected into Autobot/ Decepticon world but we havent seen much of the nails at all. They're something in the background to be talked about but not really involved.

I feel that if the book had of focused on Metalhawk and Bumblebee trying to bring the 3 communities together and gradually allowing Starscream in, we could have had some interesting stuff. There could have been seeds showing Prowl slowly getting entangled into his own web, before moving onto this story but it all feels too rushed.

I'm not sure where we go next. "fan-favorite" Sky bite doesn't seem like the answer. Nor does adding yet more characters to a story which hasnt really established any real leads.

Housewife2000
2012-05-15, 11:21 AM
Let me see if I can summarise this:

In issue 1, Horri-Bull is executed by Bumblebee for essentially being a bully and thug. Bee didn’t try and find a way to incapacitate him.

In 2, Skywarp is beaten (and presumably arrested) for attempting an assassination, whilst Ratbat – who masterminded the plot – is brutally executed without arrest or trial.

There’s nothing too controversial in 3, but then in 4 the madness goes off the chart: Prowl murders Bombshell in cold blood, suspecting him of masterminding Skydive’s death; then attempts to kill Dirge for witnessing it (after purposefully dragging him along), before coldly blowing the heads off the remaining Constructicons. All this plus Arcee kills Sunstorm while he’s under mind control. All excessive, and all presumably unlawful during peace time. No arrests, no trials, just cold executions.

So far, the Decepticons have only successfully killed Skydive, one of their own – if, in fact, Bombshell was responsible. Meanwhile, the Autobots have a headcount of 9. Prowl and Arcee are putting Movie Optimus’ psycho moments to shame – and at least he had the semi-justification of being at war with innocent lives in danger – this series is supposedly taking place under a truce.

There’s certainly something interesting in the idea of the Autobots becoming more violent once the war ends, and drawing parallels with occupation forces keeping order over an unhappy populace. But there are no heroes here. Not even a lone voice of protest. I like the art, I like the setup for the series, but it’s hard to care when there are no sympathetic characters.

Summerhayes
2012-05-17, 09:29 AM
I seem to be in a minority in enjoying this book a fair bit (despite buying every issue weeks after everyone else.)
I get on alright with Bee, Wheeljack and a few others. Sure, this issue went a bit far but if Prowl is being set up for a fall, I'm ok with that. I'm hoping its in a fight with Bumbs and his other fellow 'Bots.

But generally, I'm just enjoying the overall sense that this is a Transformers comic telling stories I actually haven't read before. I look forward to this one almost as much as MTMtE

Terome
2012-05-17, 01:20 PM
But generally, I'm just enjoying the overall sense that this is a Transformers comic telling stories I actually haven't read before. I look forward to this one almost as much as MTMtE

Yeah, I think that is a pretty significant thing that is being overlooked. I'm not too bothered about the unsympathetic characters, myself, so long as things are kept interesting.

zigzagger
2012-05-28, 09:56 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers: Robots In Disguise #5 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4293&page=8).

Red Dave Prime
2012-05-28, 10:16 PM
Glad to see we might be getting some of the more political work with Metalhawk and co.

But...

Prowl is now against killing? Didn't he have a mini massacre last issue?

And Arcee isn't acting like an assassin? Could have fooled me?

Also, I dont know much about Sky Byte but he looks an unlikely fir for a poet. But I'll leave that niggle until I read the full thing.

Terome
2012-05-29, 12:04 AM
Prowl is now against killing? Didn't he have a mini massacre last issue?

And Arcee isn't acting like an assassin? Could have fooled me?

I get the impression that both of them are pretty good at cognitive dissonance.

This is looking promising and I'm looking forward to the rest of it, though I do wonder what Tappet and Hippotank are burning in that hobo-barrel* and why.

* Actually, it looks kind of like a hologram projector or something. Is it... the image of a fire? That would make a little bit more sense, somehow.

inflatable dalek
2012-05-31, 04:50 PM
Am I the first person to get it for once?

Now that was more like it, a big step up from last issue. I was initially worried Ironhide's monologue was going to overplay the "Ah slept with mah sister, mah cousin an' mah aunt (they're all the same person)" southern schit but no, we actually wound up with the first decent look at the G1 version since.... ohhh Perchance to Dream? Not a big dumb hick, but a level headed common sense no nonsense guy who is actually realistic as a security chief rather than the guy who should be making the hooch for Blurr's bar (we now have space pubs in both ongoings, there's probably some deeper symbolism there).

It's interesting to see the "Flash Forward" issue get incorporated into the narrative, especially as Costa didn't plan it as such (based on his comments on flashback stories in that underbase interview he seemed to just want to turn everything that came afterwards into one as a massive "SCRRRRRRRRRRREW YOU!") and it resulted in the one and only "Are all dead" joke that's ever worked. And again, Ironhide's reluctance to tell anyone about his crazy vision but instead to just get on with life safe in the knowledge he knows what's coming was very in character.

Sky Bite was OK, but was perhaps a bit subdued to the point that he could almost have been anyone if he hadn't done some poetry (which wasn't even a Haiku either. Though he did say it was a work in progress). Though there was certainly nothing wrong as such with him it would have been a lot more fun if they'd really played him to the hilt. The Scourge joke was rubbish as well.

Worryingly the ongoing Prowl's a dick/Bumblebee is useless stuff was by far the least interesting part of the issue because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere very fast. And as I said in the Costa thread, it's odd that Bumblebee is having to learn here exactly the same "Using electrical devices that can kill/torture your enemies to control them is wrong" moral as he did in his own mini series. You'd have thought someone else would have at least pointed it out, especially as the issue was concerned enough about old business to explain where the Sweeps in Chaos came from.

Is it me or did the art look a little rougher than usual this month as well?

Terome
2012-05-31, 09:49 PM
Am I the first person to get it for once?

Is it me or did the art look a little rougher than usual this month as well?

Thought it looked sharper this month. In my opinion, last month's was a bit choppy. The only details that I thought didn't quite work were Sky-Byte's fat head and some panels in the bar at the end.

Well this is certainly the most interesting that Ironhide's ever been. Nice to give him something to do or to care about.

I also really like the concept of an idealistic Decepticon who left after witnessing an atrocity, and the implication that Transformer memories do indeed suffer during these million-year time spans we're lumbered with. Sky-Byte really thought he could get away with no one knowing who he was.

Worryingly the ongoing Prowl's a dick/Bumblebee is useless stuff was by far the least interesting part of the issue because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere very fast.

I liked the fact that we got to see others react to it - Prowl's clearly on thin ice with everyone. The conversation about casually wiping out the Constructicons was nice, as was the idea that they were actually helping out quite well before being murdered.

Still pretty slow, but that's not something that really bothers me.

Poor Dirge. With all this Orion Pax business that I am dubious about happening next month it may be a while before we get him narrating an issue. I like that, by the way, having every issue partially in the voice of a character. I wonder how long they'll keep that up for.

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-01, 12:35 AM
One of the better Rid issues. I like the idea of Ironhide as a preacher of sorts. Makes sense with him being born again and what not. Also credit to the mention of gorlorm Prime - the new cybertron. What looked like an error on the part of Furman in revelations has been picked up by Costa and now Barber.

Nice that some stability is being brought to Cybertron - I honestly feel its hampered the plot since the start. Next issue should be interesting with Orion Pax coming back. I hope they keep him away from the main story though. It really is too soon for him to come back in and have any impact. I would have preferred if he had been kept out for a year.

relak
2012-06-01, 01:26 AM
GREAT JUMPIN SHARKS!! ITs Sky byte!!!!!

MY favorite RID character

Although i am not really taken by the art.

Everytime an upward shot is used the TF faces look.........fat.

Not as bad as Heart Of darkness but still./............

inflatable dalek
2012-06-01, 10:55 AM
Well this is certainly the most interesting that Ironhide's ever been. Nice to give him something to do or to care about.

Perhaps he and Sludge can compare notes on being dead when they team up in issue 8?

I also really like the concept of an idealistic Decepticon who left after witnessing an atrocity, and the implication that Transformer memories do indeed suffer during these million-year time spans we're lumbered with. Sky-Byte really thought he could get away with no one knowing who he was.

Yeah, it was nice to have another character with a bit of common sense in the book. Hopefully he'll be sticking around as a supporting player, perhaps doing poetry nights in the bar? (Does anyone else find it odd Blurr didn't rename it after himself? The ego must have gotten smaller).



I liked the fact that we got to see others react to it - Prowl's clearly on thin ice with everyone. The conversation about casually wiping out the Constructicons was nice, as was the idea that they were actually helping out quite well before being murdered.

Still pretty slow, but that's not something that really bothers me.

Though there is the question of how the full details got out, I'd have thought Prowl would have been able to come up with a convincing cover story as to why the Constructicons and Bombshell had to die, so did Dirge talk? I guess he's a lot braver when a crazy psycho transvestite isn't in front of him. With the info out there and the damage done there's actually very little reason left for Prowl to have Dirge hunted down except out of spite now anyway. Presumably if Dirge did talk everyone knows about Arcee now as well?

Poor Dirge. With all this Orion Pax business that I am dubious about happening next month it may be a while before we get him narrating an issue. I like that, by the way, having every issue partially in the voice of a character. I wonder how long they'll keep that up for.

Go on IDW, give us a Skybite POV issue with all his narration done in verse. I challenge you!

TLB80
2012-06-01, 06:23 PM
Hm, not bad. I was beginning to think that Barber was incapable of doing an issue without someone dying in it so this makes a nice change.

Prowl does seem to be on thin ice with everyone, I wonder if we'll be seeing a complete 'fall from grace' sometime.

I'm still not sure why Sky-Byte even had to be in it, if it wasn't for the poem you could've replaced him with almost any other character and it would have made no difference. I hope that's gonna change though.

Terome
2012-06-01, 07:17 PM
Dalek: Go on IDW, give us a Skybite POV issue with all his narration done in verse. I challenge you!

I second this challenge. Every second they do not publish this hypothetical comic is a disappointment to me.

TLB80: I'm still not sure why Sky-Byte even had to be in it, if it wasn't for the poem you could've replaced him with almost any other character and it would have made no difference. I hope that's gonna change though.

I'm a bit put out that they stripped the wackier / more distinctive parts of the character out, but from a basic approach of 'sympathetic Decepticon without blood on his hands,' he's the best fit out of existing characters I can think of. I mean, Dirge is presented as a goodie now, but he must have killed a lot of people in his day. And he, like Sky-Byte, could have left whenever he wanted, or at least in the early days.

Dalek: With the info out there and the damage done there's actually very little reason left for Prowl to have Dirge hunted down except out of spite now anyway.

Prowl is a spiteful guy. He was happy enough with pulling a gun on Ratchet for aiding humans back in the day. Most of his narration in his AHM coda was about how delicious it was to have the mental one-up on Springer, who rubbed him the wrong way. He also took a certain amount of delight in subverting Kup, the kind of hero he can't stand, into commanding Autobots for him by proxy. He'd plumbed some depths before this series started.

Dalek: Presumably if Dirge did talk everyone knows about Arcee now as well?

Perhaps that's what precipitated Arcee and Prowl's little chat in this issue? There was something going on in the background here that we weren't privy to - Bumblebee and Wheeljack were busy with something, Prowl found something 'unbelievable,' Arcee is having all sorts of new thoughts... it's plausible that all that could be down to Dirge singing. Swindle does mention that he's holding something back though.

Another thing I liked about this issue: the designs on some of the background NAILs were fun. The guy with two heads was nicely bizarre while, at the same time, being perfectly Transformery.

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-01, 08:11 PM
Another thing I liked about this issue: the designs on some of the background NAILs were fun. The guy with two heads was nicely bizarre while, at the same time, being perfectly Transformery.

Yeah, I'm liking that too. I wonder with the return of transformers from different evolutionary paths will we see a lot more of beast war/ machine characters, maybe not exactly like they were but with a new spin? Be very interesting if we had Beast Wars Megatron show up or maybe Gigatron :) Of course it might be too cute a concept, much like the cameos overload that sometimes blights transformer comics.

Terome
2012-06-02, 01:13 AM
Yeah, I'm liking that too. I wonder with the return of transformers from different evolutionary paths will we see a lot more of beast war/ machine characters, maybe not exactly like they were but with a new spin? Be very interesting if we had Beast Wars Megatron show up or maybe Gigatron Of course it might be too cute a concept, much like the cameos overload that sometimes blights transformer comics.

Gigatron would fit in well for MTMTE, now that the seal keeping characters from other continuities has been breached, as the head of the DJD. His regal look and ten wacky modes would suit the part.

But yeah, don't see anything inherently wrong with sticking some Beast guys in there, especially if they could offer something interesting to say about Transformer biology.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-02, 11:14 AM
I'm a bit put out that they stripped the wackier / more distinctive parts of the character out, but from a basic approach of 'sympathetic Decepticon without blood on his hands,' he's the best fit out of existing characters I can think of. I mean, Dirge is presented as a goodie now, but he must have killed a lot of people in his day. And he, like Sky-Byte, could have left whenever he wanted, or at least in the early days.

I'm not sure he's remotely the best fit, all he really needed to be is a Decepticon who hasn't been in any of the present day stuff and is a bit of a blank slate as far as IDW go. There may not be many G1 characters left like that, but if it had been RID Gas Skunk or Armada Thrust it would have been the same bar the poetry. Considering what people like about the guy is he's basically lovably nuts it is a bit of a shame they didn't go full on with that. Though there's always future issues.

As for other characters who might turn up... I suspect Sky Bite is going to be a special case in that he's a beloved character from an otherwise overlooked franchise. The BW characters have five years worth of stories plus other spin offs (and are technically G1ish anyway, so would it be quite the same thing?) and I'm not sure there's anyone from Armada or Animated popular enough to make a fuss off, whilst Prime and the films are still possibilities for their own comics).

Terome
2012-06-02, 01:10 PM
if it had been RID Gas Skunk or Armada Thrust it would have been the same bar the poetry. Considering what people like about the guy is he's basically lovably nuts it is a bit of a shame they didn't go full on with that. Though there's always future issues.

I'll concede to that. I would have uncritically loved Full Sky-Byte but, to play devil's advocate here, something that RID has been really good at is being tonally consistent. I can see Full Sky-Byte, veering between a petulant child, a fawning teen and a seasoned killer, being a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The BW characters have five years worth of stories plus other spin offs (and are technically G1ish anyway, so would it be quite the same thing?) and I'm not sure there's anyone from Armada or Animated popular enough to make a fuss off,

Beast Machines would be my preference, mainly due to the designs. They are so different from the default Transformer style that they beg the question just by being there. Though I suppose there aren't any underutilised BM who are very interesting... a browse of the Wiki throws up Snarl, Night Viper and Geckobot and not much else.
Otherwise, new perennials like Bulkhead and Lugnut can't be off the cards, though there doesn't seem to be any immediate point in including them.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-02, 01:25 PM
Mind, considering the slightly bizzare toy and occasionally nonsensical toy whoring across both books (everyone can get a War For Cybertron body but poor old Ambulon is stuck as a leg forever? It's not as if the comics aren't being brought by people who follow the toylines closely anyway) I would put a small amount of money on any non G1 characters getting one of the 40 (?!) new Generations toys turning up in the IDWverse.

Hell, maybe they have already and we will be getting a new Sky Bite? (he could be repainted and remoulded into/from a Seacon and a Sharkticon after all) [/cynical]

Terome
2012-06-02, 01:32 PM
Mind, considering the slightly bizzare toy and occasionally nonsensical toy whoring across both books (everyone can get a War For Cybertron body but poor old Ambulon is stuck as a leg forever? It's not as if the comics aren't being brought by people who follow the toylines closely anyway) I would put a small amount of money on any non G1 characters getting one of the 40 (?!) new Generations toys turning up in the IDWverse.

Hell, maybe they have already and we will be getting a new Sky Bite? (he could be repainted and remoulded into/from a Seacon and a Sharkticon after all) [/cynical]

'Nonsensical' is definitely the word. There doesn't seem to be any shame in declaring when an element in the comics is the result of Words From Hasbro, and so far the creators have given every indication of taking it upon themselves to give everyone bodies from the computer game and such.

Though we could rationalise Ambulon by saying that he was ashamed to have a tune-up. There's precedent for that with Kup. Transformers (or Autobots, at least) seem to have some medical ethics about consent to upgrades.

New Sky-Byte toy would be ace, but I already have my massive old RID one so it's of limited interest. And I, for one, would welcome a new Jawbreaker kicking around.

relak
2012-06-04, 01:04 AM
Yeah, I'm liking that too. I wonder with the return of transformers from different evolutionary paths will we see a lot more of beast war/ machine characters, maybe not exactly like they were but with a new spin? Be very interesting if we had Beast Wars Megatron show up or maybe Gigatron :) Of course it might be too cute a concept, much like the cameos overload that sometimes blights transformer comics.

I would like that.

Or even a jab at beast machines. Not using the exact characters of Primal and Cheetor but perhaps They could be another cybertron faction obsessed with techno organic fusion and show almost a cult-like dedication to it.

inflatable dalek
2012-06-17, 04:42 AM
Have I missed something or shouldn't MTMTE 6 have come out before this? I actually wondered if my suplier had sent me something early again but as the Underbase review has gone up I'm guessing not...














Anyway: So the whole Shockwave thing was a giant red herring, with him only making a contractual obligation appearance in flashback. It's really Orion Pax Vs. Jiaxus, Bludgeon and Monstructor! With the return of Hardhead, Wheelie and the guy from his Spotlight (Who seems to have gone all butch in the interim)! Erm... yay?

A bit of an odd issue, and obviously the first in an occasional series following Pax's team. All the continuity references to Chaos left me more than a bit confused so I'm not sure if Bludgeon now turning out to have been working for Jiaxus actually contradicts his brain dead zombie routine in Revelation.

The art was very pretty, Pax was well written (loved his "Yeah right" reaction to Hot Rod's "Death") and it was nice to see Hardhead again.

On the other hand though, I thought Chaos was supposed to have ended all the old business so plot threads like Monstructor getting picked up when, frankly, I don't think anyone cared is a bit odd. Especially when the book has more than enough dangling threads of its own to deal with.

And the fact Hard Head's so easily able to stay in touch with Bumblebee once again raises the question of why the Lost Light can't. Even with Rodimus probably not caring there should be at least one robot out of the 200 wanting to send a "Hey guys, We're OK!" space fax to his friends.

Other than that though, it's the first part of a story we won't be picking up on for (another 6?) months and is very hard to judge on that score. I actually wonder if the original plan was to break up the main narrative or if this got pulled forward as a PR push? There's nothing outright bad and it reads quick enough (and it's certainly not as poor as 4 was) but until we get a clearer idea of where this is going there's a sense of pointlessness to the whole diversion.

Terome
2012-06-17, 08:34 AM
With the return of Hardhead, Wheelie and the guy from his Spotlight (Who seems to have gone all butch in the interim)! Erm... yay?

That's not that guy, it's this other guy.

I feel a bit mixed about this one - I was pleasantly surprised at how they pulled off the reintroduction of Orion Pax. Recasting him as a space cowboy and giving him some sidekicks to look after was a good move.

More mixed about the story. While there is reptillian, tyrannical part of my brain that recognises things it already knows and goes, 'Ooh, Jhiaxus,' and squirts out a jot of dopamine, there is another lobe nearer the front that goes, 'These characters are most associated with some very dumb stories that are probably best forgotten.' And then it makes my face screw up in intense concentration and I have to go to the kitchen to get a biscuit.

Did like the details about the Rocs though. A once-propserous race of robotic bird Transformerish people who have now been brought down to hoboes huddling around a barrel fire is a nice bit of flavouring, especially when Orion muses that he hasn't even thought of them for a million years or go.

What was the 'message' of leaving Wheelie and Garnak alive? Maybe Bludgeon is just getting sentimental in his old age.

And the fact Hard Head's so easily able to stay in touch with Bumblebee once again raises the question of why the Lost Light can't. Even with Rodimus probably not caring there should be at least one robot out of the 200 wanting to send a "Hey guys, We're OK!" space fax to his friends.

Yep, big ole plot hole. Not, to my mind, a particularly important one though.

TLB80
2012-06-17, 04:39 PM
Is it just me or does this issue have pretty much the worst art of any TF comic ever?

Red Dave Prime
2012-06-18, 01:25 AM
Is it just me or does this issue have pretty much the worst art of any TF comic ever?

No. Whatever your personnel preference I would still put this as leagues ahead of the art from Heart of Darkness, the Bumblebee series and AHM #8 (the one where rumble gets killed and soundwave cries)

Back to this. I cant shake the feeling that when Barber was getting Roberts on board he had to promise to deal with all the loose ends. Not really sure why we need to go back to all these points but I do like the idea that there are 12 other variants of ore 13. And if Orion Pax is going to get some story time, it's better he is kept as far from Cybertron as possible. And I do like the art (but I've liked Livio Ramondelli since first seeing his work - interesting look at how he develops his stuff here (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/artist-commentary-transformers-autocracy-11-cover/25012/)

But, but, but. It feels far too much like loose ends being tied up as to a story that wants to be told (such as AHM:Kup) Kinda knew it was going to be a major throwback from that scene in the bar - several familiar aliens there. After that too many things fall together too handily. I've never liked the idea that Jhiaxus has been keeping track of all his students and that they always fall in with his master plan. Given that he left before the great war it always felt ridiculous that Shockwave and Bludgeon just happened to be where he needed them. I always hated Bludgeons inclusion at the end of Revelations.

But its not just that - Pretty handy that Wheelies links up with hardhead and orion so that Bludgeon can send a message. And was Monstructor going to just wait encased in ice until the Autobots just showed up? Considering Pax and Hardhead are just flying about, Bludgeon could have just jumped them to get Jhiaxus back and not bothered with the elaborate trap.

Thinking about it, I would have opened the issue with a monologue from Hardhead explaining why he has decided to stay as guardian over Jhiaxus and maybe go into a little on how he exists outside of the dead universe before the ship gets attacked by Bludgeon. Maybe than Orion could arrive through picking up the distress flair as opposed to the straight communication that brings him in here (I got the impression from the Death of Optimus Prime that Orion wanted to be as far removed from all Transformers as possible)

Anyway, not a terrible issue but its much more confused and contrived than it needs to be.

relak
2012-06-18, 06:02 AM
On the other hand though, I thought Chaos was supposed to have ended all the old business so plot threads like Monstructor getting picked up when, frankly, I don't think anyone cared is a bit odd. Especially when the book has more than enough dangling threads of its own to deal with.

What made you think that???
Bludgeon was last seen alive and well and not even mentioned during Costa's run

inflatable dalek
2012-06-18, 07:52 PM
That's not that guy, it's this other guy.

I realised that later when I was looking at the wiki, who'd have thought IDW would give us not one, but two green lizard guys who hang round with Wheelie?

Have they covered why Wheelie is still talking in rhyme? That was a translation conversion in his Spotlight (a really unlikely one at that, two aliens speaking two different languages would somehow manage to be perfectly in rhyme when he read it as English for our benefit) but he's presumably speaking Cybertronian here isn't he?



Yep, big ole plot hole. Not, to my mind, a particularly important one though.

Yeah, it only annoys me because they keep mentioning it.

What made you think that???


Everyone involved saying the two new books were a fresh jumping on point that didn't require prior knowledge to be enjoyed. Large chunks of this make no sense unless you've read Revelation and Chaos.

relak
2012-06-19, 02:00 AM
Everyone involved saying the two new books were a fresh jumping on point that didn't require prior knowledge to be enjoyed. Large chunks of this make no sense unless you've read Revelation and Chaos.

Its a marketing gimmick.

Make a "fresh jumping on point" to get new readers, then once those readers are settled in (like maybe after the first major arc) throw in references to past events so that these new readers will be coaxed into getting the earlier books.

Both Marvel and DC (barring the new 52) have done this before with their numerous relaunches and renumbering throughout the years.

Terome
2012-06-19, 08:28 PM
Is it just me or does this issue have pretty much the worst art of any TF comic ever?

There are people who'd agree with you. I'm not a fan of this style in a comic where more than two things happen on a page but I think it's simply wrong to call it the worst of anything. The obvious strengths in the colour and mood are more than enough to counter for the occasional weaknesses in flow and anatomy.

Ramondelli will be formidable when he's got a few hundred more pages of sequentials under his belt.

Have they covered why Wheelie is still talking in rhyme? That was a translation conversion in his Spotlight (a really unlikely one at that, two aliens speaking two different languages would somehow manage to be perfectly in rhyme when he read it as English for our benefit) but he's presumably speaking Cybertronian here isn't he?

There might be an implication that something horrible happened to the first green lizard man and now Wheelie is in some state of extended rhyme-based PTSD. Isn't it wonderful how these explanations for character quirks end up being far less plausible than 'He's just like that, whatever.'

zigzagger
2012-07-04, 07:03 PM
This is your all purpose Transformers: Robots In Disguise #7 reaction and discussion thread.

Preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1207/03/idwfirsts.htm).

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-04, 10:13 PM
Quite liked that first few pages. Very intriguing - and I kinda find Wheeljack the most agreeable of Barbers cast.

Also: TURMOIL!!! OMG! I can't believe he's back! Really felt like the series went a bit downhill after his "death". Great to have everyone's favorite 'Con back.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-05, 06:27 AM
An issue of two halfs. The Turmoil stuff was bollocks. Especially in comparison to the shock return in MTMTE. He even seemed to be talking like a cut price version of that character. Bad timing to an extent- a genuine fan favourite Steals the thunder of a no one who looks like the Fallen after a pie eating contest- but we're still talking about a guy who manages to loose despite having a time machine. That's so inept as to make the shock and awe with which everyone treats him unintentionally hilarious.

But the Metal Hawk reveal was great, unexpected but made perfect sense and it was nice to have his cards on the table at last. And he's on the side of the angels after all. Throw in a decent Wheeljack and the issue winds up working out OK. No more Turmoil though.

StarscreamX
2012-07-05, 12:50 PM
So just so I'm clear, Turmoil built a time machine. A TIME MACHINE. And rather than using it to, I don't know, go back and kill Prime back when he was still Orion Pax or any other number of ways he could have used it to help the Decepticons conquer the universe...he decides to just show up on Cybertron, have a polite chat with the Autobots and then let himself get his arse kicked by the combined might of a scientist and a pacifist

Y'know, I can see why the Decepticons never conquered the universe. It's not because of the heroism of Optimus Prime, or the strength of the Autobots...it's because they're all bloody mental and couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the directions were on the heel

No wonder Starscream decided to say "Bugger this" and try something different. 4 million years of working with these idiots, it's a miracle he's still even remotely sane

I did like the way Metalhawk was written in this issue though and I am genuinely interested in how much of Starscream's "reform" is genuine and how much is him being the lying, backstabbing prick he's always been.

And YAY SKYBITE :clap: I liked him doing his poetry recitals at Blurr's bar, that was cute

Terome
2012-07-05, 04:32 PM
Thought this one was a huge step in the right direction. Turmoil was a good choice as the villain here - he's a straightforward baddie without much potential.

So just so I'm clear, Turmoil built a time machine. A TIME MACHINE. And rather than using it to, I don't know, go back and kill Prime back when he was still Orion Pax or any other number of ways he could have used it to help the Decepticons conquer the universe...he decides to just show up on Cybertron, have a polite chat with the Autobots and then let himself get his arse kicked by the combined might of a scientist and a pacifis

I get the impression that it wasn't being used to its full potential, either because the machine itself wasn't entirely finished or because Turmoil only thought he had a very fancy cloaking device.

Starscream, Blurr and Sky-Byte were great and it was high time that Metalhawk got to grow another dimension.

I do find it a bit weird how Drift is treated as the only Decepticon to have ever defected. Nobody's going around using Ambulon as some great symbol of Christian redemption are they?
Are they?

Maybe they should make Wheeljack the outright protagonist of this book? I like how Prowl looks like a crazy person from his point of view. Timely mention of 'gravity particles' too.

inflatable dalek
2012-07-05, 08:07 PM
I do find it a bit weird how Drift is treated as the only Decepticon to have ever defected. Nobody's going around using Ambulon as some great symbol of Christian redemption are they?
Are they?


I did think Metalhawk's reaction was a nice bit of common sense on that score.

So, this time machine is presumably going to be how the message from MTMTE 1 gets sent back, which means the two groups of Autobots must be getting in touch with each other again fairly soon.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-06, 01:56 AM
I liked some of this - quite a bit really. Wheeljack as the everyman (everyrobot?) works well. It would be nice if they could give him someone as a foil. And not Prowl, he is clearly insane.

Have to say I'm wondering how all this is going to pan out, what with Prime heading back to the planet where Wheelie first met his rhyming friend, who now turns out can build time machines. Does this time travel ability explain the 3 camera cons being present in AHM after they had been killed in the Wheelie spotlight? Will it tie into the lost light message (I would have thought no because the message comes from the lost light and it's the Cybertron based bots who now have the time machine)

Or... are IDW gonna use time travel to take everything back to the start? :)

As an overall issue though, I thought it wasnt great. The art seemed more slapdash than usual (different artist? I havent checked yet) and I'm not confinced Barber is good at working action into his scripts yet. It always seems so muddled and this issue is no exception. But still, it is interesting to see where its all headed so thats worth something.

Phase Sixer
2012-07-06, 02:39 PM
I've been giving this series a chance to grow on me, while it has in some places, it hasnt in others.

Barber is doing the same thing Costa was doing, writing the average decepticon as a bumbling idiot, incapable of winning a war, simply because there too dumb. I mean if turmoil has a time machine, why would he go to Cybertron? Whats the motivation? Why go to Cybertron and try to trick the Autobots, who obviously after 4 million years of year definately don't trust you and because you are Turmoil, a known Decepticon warlord. I mean in MTMTE we get a story and your told why characters are doing what there doing, you understand the reasons behind there actions, with this we just get Turmoil shows up with a Time Machine and gets it taken by the Autobots. I mean did he have a plan? Was there some type of end game he was playing? Did he come to Cybertron for supplies? Recruit more Decepticons? Im rambling, but my point is wouldn't it make his actions make sense if we knew his motivations, instead of just hey I showed up?

What I do like is Barber is doing a great job of weaving all those old plot threads into usable points in where he is taking the story, and given the scope of what he's dealing with, enough said, but im very much liking his portrial of Wheeljack, I think it fits the character perfect, I like where he's taking bumblebee as well, he's taking a flawed idea imo to start with, and making it make sense, it seems like bumblebee is learning that his value as a leader is not in being Optimus Prime and leading troops to battle, but being the brains of the operation, Jazz and Skybite I liked that bit, but to finish up, back to the time machine, as others have stated im hoping that this device actually goes somewhere and im intrigued to see if it does.

I can say that I enjoy this series, its a lot better story wise than what Costa was giving us. But I cant say that Im just anticipating this series month to month, but I believe its headed in the right direction

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-15, 02:13 PM
For some reason I'm enjoying Robots in Disguise a lot more than I'm More Than Meets the Eye.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-15, 02:52 PM
Care to elaborate? Not that I mind, but so far MTMTE has been the far superior title of the two. Not just with the characters and art but the overall focus seems much clearer with MTMTE (redemption and repurpose) where as I still think RID is still finding its feet.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-15, 08:42 PM
Care to elaborate? Not that I mind, but so far MTMTE has been the far superior title of the two. Not just with the characters and art but the overall focus seems much clearer with MTMTE (redemption and repurpose) where as I still think RID is still finding its feet.

No.

Chances are anything I would say would start a flame war with 100 people here. Sorry been there done that.

I will say that I simply perfer the concept and the artwork of RiD over MTMTE which is good but I haven't find it great read...yet.

Red Dave Prime
2012-07-16, 12:47 AM
No.

Chances are anything I would say would start a flame war with 100 people here. Sorry been there done that.

Pity, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone. I've had flame wars before (not as this site thankfully) and I know how shit they can be.

Regarding the art, I love the more expression-filled style that Milne adopted from Roche - all the characters have a distinct look and style and I think it works great. Its certainly not classic Trans formers though so I could understand someone preferring RiDs Style.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-07-19, 06:59 PM
Pity, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone. I've had flame wars before (not as this site thankfully) and I know how shit they can be.

The way I express my opinions is very blunt and I have a hard time expressing them in ways that don't piss people off. Also my opinions are more emotional than logical so why they might make perfect sense to me they might be more like "WTF" to you or others.

I will say this: I love Coke and I like Pepsi. I will drink Pepsi but if given a chose I will always choose Coke because that is the one I perfer. It's the same with MTMTE and RID if that makes any sense.

Grayfox
2012-08-05, 08:21 AM
Dinobots month! And Sky Lynx.

http://www.mtv.com/geek/comic/issue/4460/transformers-robots-in-disguise-8.jhtml

Terome
2012-08-05, 04:35 PM
Looks like fun. I like that Ironhide's big reveal has completely failed to impress anybody and the implication that Sky Linx is some kind of Ardurian Roc fetishist. Swoop appears to have changed species between issues.

Quips, however, are not Barber's strong point.

relak
2012-08-06, 09:11 AM
Since when did Starscream get those sexy hips?

Warcry
2012-08-10, 03:28 PM
I read this, but there really wasn't much meat to it. Ironhide and the Dinobots wander around in the wilderness for the entire issue, while Bumblebee and Shockwave have a couple pages each to set up future issues. It was very slow-paced, almost to Costa-like levels, and left me with the impression that what we saw was half an issue's worth of material but got turned into a cliffhanger instead because of Dinobot Month.

Oh, and Nick Roche's Dinobot redesigns are hideous and always will be no matter who draws them. It's a shame they weren't replaced with the G1 or even FoC character models.

inflatable dalek
2012-08-10, 05:12 PM
Agreed about the Dinobot designs (and it's odd they're using that name for themselves now, translation conversion? It's not as if they ever met Hunter...), I've especially never liked Swoop's anorexic Rocketeer look.

Though with some of them being bashed up here I guess new bodies are on the cards.

Another generally solid issue if unspectacular. As Terome says, everyone thinking Ironhide is nuts and not caring about his vision is nice, as is Prowl's reason for actually wanting elections.

The hunt outside is a tad overdrawn (we don't learn anything about the Dinobots we didn't already know other than their speech patterns are threatening to go all TV on us at any second) but Ironhide's fear of Megatron- and his attempt to overcome it- was nicely done.

I'm expecting the cliffhanger resolution to be a complete cop out thought, Swoop will have stabbed Ironhide for some practical-if unlikely- good guy reason (as clichéd as to get someone standing right behind Ironhide?).

The whole Prowl's misdemeanours thing really needs to get a move on as well, it feels like ages since Bombshell died. Shockwave seems as bored of that plot as the rest of us.

I think the problem with RID at the moment is that it's been steady. And, as Mr. Garibaldi would say, steady aint sexy. It needs a big OOOMPH moment to kick it into a higher gear.

EDIT: Until I double checked after reading the synopsis on the wiki I didn't spot Snarl taking Ironhide from behind as Swoop stabs (probably more a thing with the size of my phone than the art though). So I'm probably wrong there.

Terome
2012-08-10, 11:06 PM
I thought this was pretty good, but really inefficient with space. Personally, I think this is the most interesting the Dinobots have ever been - closer to a wandering Germanic barbarian tribe than a group of gangsters or a Black Ops crew. Maybe it was the way Slag was drawn, but the feverish religiously-inspired madman spec is a good fit for him. Wasn't he supposed to be the tech guy in Spotlight: Shockwave?

Ditto for Ironhide. He's never been interesting, but here he's got a nice set of angles to him. Like a kite.

their speech patterns are threatening to go all TV on us at any second

Are they? Everyone except for Swoop speaks in a clipped, gruff manner but they're not mangling what they say like the Sunbow guys.

Art's getting a lot better. It wasn't bad before but there's a lot more confidence to the good stuff. Though that panel with Slag destroying the turbofox was a head-scratcher.

Pity it's only half an issue though. Get on with it!

inflatable dalek
2012-08-11, 12:56 PM
Are they? Everyone except for Swoop speaks in a clipped, gruff manner but they're not mangling what they say like the Sunbow guys.

I thought Swoop was the main exception with his little bit of banter over the Ironhide/Snarl "Kiss me you fool!" moment. For the most part it did feel like if you added a "Me [Name]" to the start of their sentences they'd fit perfectly into the short gutteral cartoon style. Mind, most of them got more lines in this issue than in all their previous appearances so it's hard to call it a character change.

That does raise one odd point though, Swoop was the non-Grimlock guy who got the most to say/do in previous issues, and pretty much gets the memorable bits here. So Slag being the leader feels really odd.

Summerhayes
2012-08-13, 12:39 PM
Finally gave this a read (I saved it for on holiday)
For my money, this was the best issue of RiD yet. Wheeljack's issues are always good.

My big concern is that I really like where Starscream is going, so I hope he doesn't do something devious just because “that's what Starscream does”

Red Dave Prime
2012-08-15, 03:55 PM
I didn't spot Snarl taking Ironhide from behind

Havent read this due to being abroad at the moment but that has certainly made me curious :)

zigzagger
2012-08-15, 05:28 PM
their speech patterns are threatening to go all TV on us at any second


I dunno. I thought their speech closely resembled Furman's Dinobots (as in Maximum Dinobots) than their Sunbow iterations. Just like Furman's Dinobots, they're constantly reminding us who they are (i.e. that they're the Dinobots, and/or not ordinary Autobots), and like Furman's Dinobots they have chips on their shoulders.

Kind of at odds how Furman also portrayed them in Spotlight: Shockwave, now that I'm thinking about it.

inflatable dalek
2012-08-15, 07:54 PM
I may need to reread Maximum Dinobots, I honestly don't remember the non-Swoop ones having enough lines to display any sort of personality.

Terome
2012-08-16, 06:05 PM
I may need to reread Maximum Dinobots, I honestly don't remember the non-Swoop ones having enough lines to display any sort of personality.

Wasn't Sludge or Snarl an ex-farmer or something? I liked that as, where I am from, most of the mercenaries and soldiers you meet tended to be ex-farmers. It's almost a personality point.

inflatable dalek
2012-08-16, 07:23 PM
One of them died but came back to life through nobody caring didn't they? I think it was the S one.

Terome
2012-08-16, 10:45 PM
One of them died but came back to life through nobody caring didn't they? I think it was the S one.

It might have been cheap but look at all the great things that Sludge has done since coming back to life!

He left Earth, said he was a Dinobot and then died off-camera.

He earned that reprieve from death.

inflatable dalek
2012-08-17, 11:19 PM
I wonder how they pronounce Dinobot differently enough from Dynobot to make it remotely worth them having changed it.

Knightdramon
2012-08-21, 10:09 AM
Interesting issue, to be honest. Seems like Slag and Swoop [both of which impaled Ironhide] are under the influence of the signal. Maybe it affects beast bots more than others?

Despite being a fabled "Dinobot month", I'm also digging Ironhide's portrayal and development. Love the "I'm the only one alive in the future, so nothing can kill me no matter what I do" attitude.

Auntie Slag
2012-08-22, 09:48 PM
Sorry to ask a boring question but how do you reckon RID stacks up, companion piece wise, to MTMTE?

Since getting the 1st MTMTE TPB I've got a hankering for this now. Don't know much about it other than the rough outlines of the story. Does it have the snappiness of it's brother comic, or are we talking better than Costa, on a par with the better stuff in G1 and worse than G2?

I mean, I dig some of the art but I'm more of a minimalist cat. Happy to leave this to the aficionado's if that's really who get the most out of this.

If it helps any, I loved (and own) the G2 run, Last Stand of the Wreckers and More Than Meets The Eye.

I also like ponies and long walks on the beach.

Terome
2012-08-22, 10:16 PM
Sorry to ask a boring question but how do you reckon RID stacks up, companion piece wise, to MTMTE?


I think by now it is safe to say that RID isn't as good as MTMTE. It's not a totally fair comparison because RID has a much more difficult job - it's light on adventure and heavy on political manuveres... though somehow also not heavy enough. It's also got a far more leisurely pace to its plot so the good stuff seems to be parceled out rather stingily.

The strongest point of the series for me is how each chapter is defined by a character or small group of characters. There are a lot of points of view clanging about in the shanty town around Kimia and we're getting a good look through each one in turn. Which probably has a lot to do with the why the pacing I mentioned is like that.
The weakest point so far has been the chasing up of plotpoints from IDW's muddled past that probably would have been better off forgotten. I know that's Barber's whole thing but if there's anything interesting or amusing that can be done with a character as bland as IDW Jhiaxus, for example, I would be very surprised.

The art on it works for me, though I do love detail-rich things to look at. The biggest criticism I'd level at it is a weakness for motion and action and, occasionally, expression. For what I perceive to be his experience level, Griffith is pretty darn capable and I've no doubt that he'll get it down smooth before long. I'm not terribly fond of the colouring, but that's mainly a matter of taste: I don't like all the highlights, glowing lights and reflective surfaces.

I'm sticking with it for the time being since there is something interesting cooking in there, especially in terms of the franchise. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who's not an existing fan and to those I give the above reservations. I'd also mention that Sky-Byte is in it.

Auntie Slag
2012-08-22, 11:00 PM
Thanks Terome, that's a big help. Think i'll stick to the other one then. Feel in more of an adventure mood these days.

To infinity and beyond. I'm sure Rodimus will do a variation of that at some point :)

zigzagger
2012-09-05, 12:23 AM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise #9 preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1209/04/idwfirsts.htm).

Red Dave Prime
2012-09-05, 11:35 AM
Well, no suprises that last issues (best one of RIDs run for me by the way) final page was a little OTT. But this still looks interesting enough. I think I would have preferred if the thing making the Dinobots crazy was also having some effect on the city-based bots. It would go some way to explaining Prowls actions.

The time machine is an interesting idea and it begs the question why its not being the central issue that everyone focus on. Sure they may be scared of it or feel bad about how they got it but its a flipping time machine.

Still much more keen on MTMTE but this has to get going sometime.

Right?

Bucquoy
2012-09-05, 12:10 PM
Agreed.

Still, I think handling the time machine with a lot of fingerspitzengefühl makes sense, because else it would be to dominating. It might (and propably will) come to this, though, but in this case I prefer a slower build-up.

Red Dave Prime
2012-09-05, 09:52 PM
Still not quite grabbing me, but its not too shabby.

Nice throwaway to the Blur spotlight but any attempt to link that issue into the rest of the IDW continuity is, to be honest, a waste of time. It doesnt fit, its not important and its a bit shit to be honest so just ignore it.

The Ironhide plot still has much to reveal/ resolve so I cant really complain too much but I hope they have a good reason for Superion showing up. Am I right in thinking that its the planet thats given them that ability to do the gestalt shuffle? And does that mean that the dinobots would/could have also done likewise

The rest of this and the last issue is obviously leading somewhere but I could have said that about the previous 7 issues. I kinda feel that we need something to give this series a real jolt.

Main plus was this:
I did like how the time machine has vanished with the reflectors in it. This explains nicely how they ended up in both AHM and one down in the wheelie spotlight. Also should tie in nicely to the orion pax plotline.

So, Robots in disguise still to really get going for me. Still, much better than Costas run.

inflatable dalek
2012-09-06, 08:23 AM
I think there was one fairly solid issue to be made out of the last two. The whole thing felt very slow and repetitive with yet more crazy Dinobot (now well on the way to TV talk) fighting. More of the same political stuff on Cybertron, more of the same from Blurr... It's all very much in a holding pattern before the cliffhanger. Cut down the journey time, have the Dinobots go mad and chase Ironhide right into Superion and you'd have one issue. Probably with just enough room left over for a little bit of politics and sending out a rescue party.

Which worries me, as said before the main thing that impressed me about both titles early issues was how fast they were, not every plotline worked but they seemed to be cheerfully moving at lightspeed which made the odd damp squib (Prowl killing everyone) easy to skim over.

What we get here- and pretty much with MTMTE in the last two months as well but that was a diversion that was entertaining in its own right and so got away with it more- is IDW falling back on old, bad habits. Drawing things out needlessly for no real reason, letting plot threads already started fester unfinished as new ones kick off, because hey, they've got all the time in the world for a slow burn. That's what collapsed Furman's run in the end and should be avoided at all costs (I drone on about this a lot I know, but it is my big fear for the comics and it seems to be veering towards coming true).

Not helped by next months looking to be another jump into the Pax plot.

I must also admit to having completely missed that Reflector stole the time machine, I guess that explains the odd panel of Bumblebee and Wheeljack staring in shock at nothing. It was late, I was tired, I must have missed a panel making it clear that was what they did...

Other than that.... hard to say much of anything that hasn't already been covered last month. Pacey pacey Barber.

Warcry
2012-09-07, 04:47 PM
I think there was one fairly solid issue to be made out of the last two.
Same here. After last issue I felt like I'd read the first half of a comic stretched over 22 pages. This issue didn't feel any different and there's no reason it couldn't have been a single book. It was a good story, just unnaturally stretched out.

I must also admit to having completely missed that Reflector stole the time machine, I guess that explains the odd panel of Bumblebee and Wheeljack staring in shock at nothing. It was late, I was tired, I must have missed a panel making it clear that was what they did...
I had absolutely no idea what was going on there either. I had no idea the ship had disappeared until I read it on the forum, because I'd assumed that Bumblebee was sitting on top of it like he had been at the start of the issue. I didn't catch on, either, that this was the ship that the Reflectors were found in during Wheelie's Spotlight -- which apparently means that the whole thing is a plot by Shockwave to put the ship in Jhiaxus's hands, since that's where he was headed?

I did like that Bumblebee actually got a bit of focus this issue, though. Aside from the occasional freakout he's been mostly overshadowed by Prowl so far.

zigzagger
2012-09-25, 02:37 AM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise Annual 2012 preview @ Full Metal Hero (http://www.fullmetalhero.com/t9760/).

Knightdramon
2012-09-25, 07:23 AM
So, Nova Prime was the first Prime in this universe. Which, with Rodimus, bring the total count to 6 Primes. Nifty.

He does seem a much nicer bot in the flashback too.

Bluecatcinema
2012-09-25, 11:26 AM
Love the 80s-style art in the first few pages.

Bucquoy
2012-09-26, 03:40 PM
The dome Nova & Co. are entering reminds me of Iacon as seen in MTMTE Pt. 1, but only slightly so.

Checked the opening panels of Marvel #1 for comparison. Nicely done here! History repeats itself - maybe a hint at OP running the risk of becoming corrupted himself one day?

Red Dave Prime
2012-09-26, 11:26 PM
I'm going with the following: This is the best issue that Barber has put out. There's lots to enjoy here. Broadening of the backstory and universe, character development and best yet, intrigue for future issues that doesnt feel forced.

Add to that some really nice art throughout and a tightness to the script which helps it flow really well. In short, its an excellent double issue and works better than the MTMTE annual.

For the first time, I'm intrigued as to where Barber is going.

Warcry
2012-09-27, 03:14 PM
I don't think I'd agree that this was better than the More Than Meets the Eye annual, but only because it wasn't as jam-packed as that book was. But it was very, very good, and honestly this is the first time I've read an RiD issue and thought it was in the same ballpark as Roberts' work. It's thoughtful, intelligent and insightful, a big step up from the brooding, muddled and violent stories we get so often in RiD.

Blackjack
2012-09-27, 04:10 PM
I like how all the past bits are massive homages to the Marvel-era stories. The speech bubbles above the characters to introduce their names, and the funny-yet-awkward speech where Nova Prime's team introduce themselves to Omega Supreme where their dialogue includes them referring to themselves in the third person whilst describing their personality.

Metalhawk's growing to be an actual person, but both Bumblebee and Starscream are still ciphers.

inflatable dalek
2012-09-27, 07:15 PM
Yeah, I liked that. Blowing up the Metrotitan when so much effort was put into saving him in MTMTE could have been annoying but him being the catalyst for important plot development (actual movement on the political side of things!) made it feel less of a cop out.

I really hope this almost Armada-ish portrayal of Starscream (one of the few good things about that cartoon) will be followed through on properly and we won't see him just go all Chris Latta in the end. He's in a very interesting place and I still don't know how genuine he's being.

Very nicely done flashback pages as well, everything looked lovely (it does make me wonder why IDW can do this but have mishandled the Reg colouring though by just slapping their normal digital colours on it even though Wildman's art doesn't gel with it). Full of injokes, but not to the point it should be distracting for me readers.

Only three real flaws, two in comparison to the MTMTE Annual:

There's actually no in-story reason for how the flashbacks are presented. In the other book it represents we're seeing Cyclonus' POV of his take on the creation myth. Here's its an omnipresent narrator (and therefore presumably reliable as well) meaning the use of Marvel style can feel a bit indulgent rather than part of the storytelling.

The MTMTE book was also good at giving just about all of the main characters an appropriately sized role. Here, Bumblebee is pretty much absent, which was a shame as what happens here affects him directly.

The non-flashback art was a bit off again as well, not as much as in MTMTE but everyone did seem to have had botox injected into their lips.

For a minor niggle, how did Omega Supreme know the Metrotitan was the one he met before?

All in all though, after a couple of disappointing issues this feels like a massive step in the right direction.

Terome
2012-09-27, 07:42 PM
I'd go with the camp that says this was a better comic than the MTMTE one - Barber's experience wins the contest by a hair, I think. Though I hadn't considered the lack of context for the flashback pages like Dalek mentioned. It's given me pause but I don't think it's really a flaw.

I like how all the past bits are massive homages to the Marvel-era stories. The speech bubbles above the characters to introduce their names, and the funny-yet-awkward speech where Nova Prime's team introduce themselves to Omega Supreme where their dialogue includes them referring to themselves in the third person whilst describing their personality.


Yeah, it's so on-target it makes me think that Guido is being criminally underused. I also like how heroic and Camelotty Nova's crew are presented here. Galvatron's a much nicer blunt intrument than, say, Sideswipe. Slipping in another massive civil war in there also helps - it explains why guys like Cyclonus can be so ridiculously hardcore and very war-weary.

It was a good use of Metalhawk too. Shame about the lips though. Metalhawk looked like a rubber puppet from the CBBC broom cupboard in some panels.


Dalek: For a minor niggle, how did Omega Supreme know the Metrotitan was the one he met before?

Transformers are always very good at sussing each other's identities at a glance. Maybe one day this will be acknowledged. It's easy to come up with explanations though - eusocial insects are very good at telling each other apart even though they look pretty damn similar to us. Maybe it's a bit racist to say that Metrotitans all look alike?

So now I'd like to see Starscream win the elections and actually be a good robo-mayor / annointed saviour. That would be different.

inflatable dalek
2012-09-27, 07:46 PM
I insist he be called Robo-Mayor as well.

Rack 'n Ruin
2012-09-27, 08:51 PM
I insist he be called Robo-Mayor as well.

Boris-scream?

Knightdramon
2012-09-27, 10:59 PM
Hmmm, good issue but I find it a tad odd when flashback sequences that have very little to do with the present interest me much more than the current story.

Obviously Nova had charisma and was pretty much the biggest MF in the planet at that point, but how exactly did he get to be the leader? No matrix, no nothing...he just...united them all? If so, is he truly the first Prime, his name beginning the linage, or did he inherit the title from somebody before him? I really like how heroic and noble [even surpassing Optimus] he sounds at the beginning and how power corrupted him later on.

On present day things, I'm trying hard to like Starscream but can't do it, can't do it at all. Mostly because he's been written so differently from each writer [Furman, McCarthy, Costa and now Barber], and last time he tried to persuade someone, he shot Thundercracker in the back.

With few exceptions [Ironhide, Blurr, Silverbolt and Dirge] I'm really not feeling the cast at all.

inflatable dalek
2012-09-28, 11:58 AM
Oh, and...



Transformers are always very good at sussing each other's identities at a glance. Maybe one day this will be acknowledged. It's easy to come up with explanations though - eusocial insects are very good at telling each other apart even though they look pretty damn similar to us. Maybe it's a bit racist to say that Metrotitans all look alike?

I'd buy he'd be able to tell different Metrotitans apart on sight, but he doesn't get to see this one. There's not even a hint he's seen a picture.

Red Dave Prime
2012-09-28, 01:00 PM
I'd give them a pass on that. Omega probably has strong enough sensors to identify the metrotitan once he knew where to look. Its probably a gaff but not anything worth going into too much.

Also loved the cameo of tailgate in the early cybertron panels.

Denyer
2012-09-28, 06:29 PM
Okay, the early art's nice... might get a copy depending on the rest.

Red Dave Prime
2012-10-06, 09:50 PM
http://www.fullmetalhero.com/content/transformers-robots-disguise-10-preview-4998/

This looks really interesting. It could all go pear-shaped but the idea with time messing about should make re-reading fun.

zigzagger
2012-10-07, 09:58 PM
Sooo...Barber wants to resolve all those conflicting plot threads from AHM #15 and Spotlight: Wheelie?

They were hiccups, sure, but they never really struck me as all that important.

inflatable dalek
2012-10-10, 07:35 PM
Hmmm, think it'll take the print version coming through the post before I'm completely sure on this one. On the screen of my phone with one panel at a time it was hard to follow all the time jumping, I suspect it'll be easier with the whole page in front of me (or even on a bigger device).

Not remotely bothered about explaining cock ups from AHM nor the tie in to Costa's final issue (but then, it might mean more to anyone who has read it). Hainvg missed the issues that explained how Wheelie got off the planet I felt at a bit of a loss there as well.

On the plus side, Pax was nicely written again, as was Bludgeon. I think this will be a better issue for anyone who followed the dark years and still has investment in long abandoned plotlines.

I don't think Livio's art will sway anyone who doesn't like his style, but I thought it was mostly his best work yet (though there was a few bits where it seemed hard to follow the flow, but at this stage I'm not sure if that's the art or the jumping).

Red Dave Prime
2012-10-10, 10:26 PM
Not terrible but I felt a bit let down by the end of it. Instead of using the time travel to really hammer home a good issue I kinda felt it was really just set up for "the big picture" - whatever that may be. We get what looks like a quint ship and mentions of chaos coming (again). The whole situation could work out interesting but there's nothing really here to move things that much along.

That said, I loved some of the scenes. Monstroctor fighting off the two giant animals was a great idea - 2 established monsters being ripped apart really gets over how strong this gestalt is. I also loved the picture with Bludgeon behind prime/pax. That looked great!

This plot still feels very much in set-up mode (I honestly think that the two issues covering this plot could have been streamlined into one) . Curious to see how it pans out.

Terome
2012-10-11, 12:04 PM
Not sure if it quite worked out but it certainly was a very impressive effort. My favourite parts were Prime's self-reflection on how good he is at making quick, fluid decisions versus anything else and Jhiaxus' very Shakespearian speech about 'Pax' and 'Prime.'

There's a hard limit on the goodness of the bread that Barbar can bake from the grist of stuff like Spotlight: Wheelie, Dead Universe Jhiaxus and Costa's fumblings and I reckon this is about as satisfactory a loaf as we're going to get. I know that attention to detail is his thing but I do wish that he'd just not bothered about the whys and wherefores of Reflector or the alien with an earring or why Bludgeon was hanging out with Monstructor and belted out a story with less baggage. Still, it's probably really fun to write this stuff. Like completing a sudoku.

I've got a goofy hypothesis about Livio's art and it is this: I get the feeling that he is a frequent and enthusiastic user of cannabis. The staging of his panels and some of the choices he makes seem to very much the world as experienced when nicely baked. Faces are very large and emphasised - the information gleaned from the body is all but tossed away. Events seem disconnected because the world seems so hyper-connected when stoned that the gaps between things happening is a trivial thing to fill in. Despite the closeness and emphasis on faces, there's a strange sense of voices coming from further away.

I may be way off, but I've known a few artists whose styles are remarkably similar in this regard and they would never work sober if they could help it. I quite like his art, myself, though I do rankle at the copy-pasted panels he uses and the occasional omission of important connective tissue, like the scene with Bludgeon and Turmoil in this issue. He's getting better at that though, but slowly.

Anyhow, I can see this issue being remembered fondly. I'd like Jhiaxus and co. to be successful with their Gorlam Prime eternal peace scheme. Can't see what's terribly dastardly about it. Bludgeon's always had the best interests of ecology and peace at heart even though he's a bit of an idiot when unsupervised and Monstructor is practically an innocent. And they're all victims and survivors of terrible abuse and torture. Let them be, Prime!

inflatable dalek
2012-10-11, 03:53 PM
Wait, this issue explained how Bludgeon and co went from being brain dead zombies (presumably) captured by the Autobots to being foot loose, fancy free and fully sentient back in AHM 15? Because if it did, I so didn't follow this as well as I thought because it whoooooooosed over my head.

Terome
2012-10-11, 07:52 PM
Wait, this issue explained how Bludgeon and co went from being brain dead zombies (presumably) captured by the Autobots to being foot loose, fancy free and fully sentient back in AHM 15? Because if it did, I so didn't follow this as well as I thought because it whoooooooosed over my head.

Oh. No, it didn't do that. But it did give say that Bludgeon and Monstructor were hanging out together with their own ship because Shockwave told them to, which is something. But my original point still stands that I don't particularly need everything laid out for me.

Honestly, they should stop depicting the Bludgeon / Monstructor team up as being some horrifying unholy union of powers because the two of them couldn't hurt a fly. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel that they in fact wouldn't want to. If Bludgeon is operating at Stormbringer level, the only reason he didn't make jam out of Kup / Perceptor / Optimus / Wheelie is because he isn't a chap who likes that sort of thing. Monstructor may have lashed out at Omega Supreme, but Omega Supreme put him in prison for a zillion years for signing up to a kooky medical trial. Otherwise Monstructor just growls and looks sad until someone shoots him. Poor thing.

Red Dave Prime
2012-10-12, 12:19 AM
Otherwise Monstructor just growls and looks sad until someone shoots him. Poor thing.

Wait, I think they fixed that weak spot problem :)

I'm not sure if this really fixes any of the continuity problems that IDW has had, its more a band-aid over the various problems. The thing is, most readers probably had forgotten most of these problems. Its nice when a glitch can be fixed without much hassle but I'm still not sold on whole stories being devoted to it.

Still, as we near the end of the first year of Barber and Roberts I think its fair to say its been the best of the TF IDW output. Still think Roberts stuff is a league apart from the Barbers but I think thats as much to me liking James's Style as much as anything (and Alex Milnes & Josh Burchams art has been a joy)

Warcry
2012-10-12, 03:43 PM
I find it hard to comment on this issue, because I only have the vaguest of understandings of what actually happened. Like Chaos, Livio's art is pretty but he does a confusing job of conveying the story. Unlike Chaos, I think it fits what Barber is trying to do with the script. I think what they were trying to to was pretty ambitious, but I'm not sure it worked for me as well as it could have.

The antagonists make no sense to me. I don't get what Bludgeon and Jhiaxus's motives are, other than a vague "galactic peace via Cybertronian dominance". Neither one really has much personality yet, and Monstructor is even less of a character. Unfortunately, I think Barber is more focused on tying past stories together (and admittedly doing an interesting job of it) than he is on making the characters in his current story compelling.

inflatable dalek
2012-10-12, 03:56 PM
Oh. No, it didn't do that.


Phew, I was worried I was going mental for a second there.

Based on other reactions I've seen, I wonder if not having read two years worth of issues was something of a blessing here. There was things I put down as "Well, that presumably makes sense if you've read X" and thus was OK with. But if anything people who have read the Costa stuff seem even more confused.

But my original point still stands that I don't particularly need everything laid out for me.


The thing is, most readers probably had forgotten most of these problems. Its nice when a glitch can be fixed without much hassle but I'm still not sold on whole stories being devoted to it.


Unfortunately, I think Barber is more focused on tying past stories together (and admittedly doing an interesting job of it) than he is on making the characters in his current story compelling.

I think those three quotes sort of sum up the problem. It's great the comics haven't done another scorched Earth policy and what looks to be an attempt to build up to something that pays off everything we've seen to date in IDW could be interesting.

But... this is really old and ultimately uninteresting business. I think by this stage everyone had just put down the Reflector resurrection to Shane McCarthy being a tit and didn't remotely care if we had any resolution to it or not.

What on Earth are the hypothetical new readers who were supposed to be drawn in by the new direction making of all this?

Terome
2012-10-12, 06:55 PM
What on Earth are the hypothetical new readers who were supposed to be drawn in by the new direction making of all this?

I suppose it could be seen as being intriguing to those hypothetical chaps but it seems like a foolish gamble from my armchair editor's desk. There is a maximum of twenty thousand people who would know what the hell is going on here compared to half a billion other people who might maybe want to read about what Optimus Prime is up to this month. If any of them picked this up they would surely immolate themselves and the comics shop in which they stood in panic and confusion.

On that note, I know it's clear now that IDW have nothing but bewildered contempt for their digital buyers, but man oh man do they need to sit down and think about what Livio's art looks like on a tiny screen.

In conclusion: I seem to have forgotten that I quite liked this issue because it's more fun to moan. There's a great quote by Pat Mills floating about somewhere where he says that the reason 2000AD was so good was because they received a continuous stream of hate-mail, the kind that would put the trolls of today to absolute shame. Kept them honest.

inflatable dalek
2012-10-12, 07:12 PM
I suppose it could be seen as being intriguing to those hypothetical chaps but it seems like a foolish gamble from my armchair editor's desk. There is a maximum of twenty thousand people who would know what the hell is going on here compared to half a billion other people who might maybe want to read about what Optimus Prime is up to this month. If any of them picked this up they would surely immolate themselves and the comics shop in which they stood in panic and confusion.

I suppose it's a good thing in theory they're not patronising their audience by not talking down or over explaining things to them, but by the same token it can go to far the other way. Especially as "Accessibility" seems to be the byword these days.

It'd be interesting to know what the starting point was for this, did Barber go "Right, I've got this idea about time travel that could make a great story, what I need is a paradox style hook... hey, that Reflector thing would work neatly for this".

Or "Right, I'm doing Ore 13, the fal out from Revelation, Monstructor... what's next on my plot hole checklist? Reflector? OK, how do I explain that..."


On that note, I know it's clear now that IDW have nothing but bewildered contempt for their digital buyers, but man oh man do they need to sit down and think about what Livio's art looks like on a tiny screen.

It's lucky they're doing everything they can to stop us being able to buy it digitally really, it's a kindness.

I do think getting the physical copy with crystallise my thoughts on this, good or bad.

In conclusion: I seem to have forgotten that I quite liked this issue because it's more fun to moan. There's a great quote by Pat Mills floating about somewhere where he says that the reason 2000AD was so good was because they received a continuous stream of hate-mail, the kind that would put the trolls of today to absolute shame. Kept them honest.

Plus a form of hate mail from his staff as well, wasn't Judge Cal based directly on Mills (well, physically, he probably didn't make a fish deputy editor) as an elaborate piss take?

Terome
2012-10-12, 07:28 PM
It'd be interesting to know what the starting point was for this, did Barber go "Right, I've got this idea about time travel that could make a great story, what I need is a paradox style hook... hey, that Reflector thing would work neatly for this".

Or "Right, I'm doing Ore 13, the fal out from Revelation, Monstructor... what's next on my plot hole checklist? Reflector? OK, how do I explain that..."



The mix of the two, apparently:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390606927676174&set=a.390469801023220.87493.146805978722938&type=1&theater

(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390606927676174&set=a.390469801023220.87493.146805978722938&type=1&theater)

John Barbar: Yeah, as long-time readers might know, there was a deal where these guys turned up in Spotlight: Wheelie and were, uh… partial spoiler alert, I guess: dead. And then later on, they turned up in All Hail Megatron, alive… When I saw that, back when I was first putting together what would become the story of Robots in Disguise, I thought there might be an interesting story to tell there.

I mean, I don’t want this to be a story that’s about some continuity problem; it’s just that continuity problem suggested an idea for a story I thought was worth telling. One that might be bigger and weirder… a disjointed story that doesn’t unfold linearly. It’s something I always really wanted to try to write.



Dalek: Plus a form of hate mail from his staff as well, wasn't Judge Cal based directly on Mills (well, physically, he probably didn't make a fish deputy editor) as an elaborate piss take?

Ha! Didn't know that one. Fantastic.

inflatable dalek
2012-10-12, 07:38 PM
The mix of the two, apparently:


Interesting, though I'm not sure my mind works in such a way I'd find "How'd the Reflector thing happen" an interesting story avenue. Though technically it's not AHM that's the problem, it's whatever story subsequently established that the Wheelie Spotlight happened beforehand rather than after that caused the continuity problem.

Ha! Didn't know that one. Fantastic.

Apparently the reason Cal has a haircut halfway through is because Mills finally noticed and insisted they change his look. Certainly in the pictures in the booklets for the couple of Doctor Who CD's he's done he looks exactly like a middle aged Cal would.

zigzagger
2012-11-20, 09:03 PM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise #11 preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1211/20/idwfirsts.htm).

Denyer
2012-11-20, 09:14 PM
Mmm, this doesn't read too badly -- kind of like a Transformers mid-era Fables.

inflatable dalek
2012-11-21, 05:37 PM
Now read, so like, SPOILERS.

















Boy, Barber picked the wrong month to end the issue with a surprise appearance by a Decepticon. Over in the MTMTE 11 thread I commented on how that issue felt lacklustre by the standards of that series. This on the other hand feels like a fairly average issue of RID, but isn't half as entertaining.

The problem is it continues to feel drawn out, how long ago did Ratbat get killed now and we're only just sort of thinking of getting some fall out from it? They're also really dragging out the Ironhide/Dinobots thing.

The wheels are turning very slowly, and with the return of Megatron and the hints laid out in forthcoming solicitations it looks like there's a very good chance we won't be getting the long promised elections at all. Which raises the very good question of:




WHAT WAS THE BLOODY POINT OF MOST OF THE LAST YEAR?


Sigh.


I also thought it was a shame Starscream was so unashamedly scheming and grandstanding, it robbed him of a lot of the ambiguity I've liked about him thus far.

The art was fine, Metalhawk on the edge was fun and Dirge just wanting to go and hide away from all this crap was neat. But still a "Get a bloody move on issue".

Terome
2012-11-22, 12:53 AM
Really, Dalek? I thought this was the best issue of RID yet. Felt like a nice set of payoffs to the frustratingly slow pace. Prowl and Starscream effectively ended the Decepticons with a few sickly moves. I'm not thrilled about Megatron coming back as his absence has defined so much of the new direction but after this issue I am genuinely intriguied to see what becomes of him now that he is so horribly outmoded. Omega Supreme is characterised here about as well as he's ever been in just a few panels.

I liked Dirge and Swindle too. I would like a spin-off series of them being hoboes on the old railroad.

Warcry
2012-11-22, 08:29 PM
I'm with dalek on this one. Starscream's transparently evil again, Prowl's lost any claim he could have had to being a good guy, Bumblebee's ineffectual, Metalhawk is all talk and Arcee is a ridiculous Mary Sue that goes around brutalizing more interesting characters and removing them from the story at will. Nothing's really changed since issue one other than Prowl murdering a lot of people. And now here comes Megatron, who will render the last year's worth of buildup completely pointless if he's actually going to contribute to the story. The Ironhide and Optimus plot threads are actually sort of interesting, but the main Iacon thread is swirling toward the drain.

The only good thing about this issue is that Omega Spreem was in it. I would be happy to see Blot and Triggerhappy, who are two of my favourite Transformers, but -- what a surprise! -- Barber killed them off like they were nothing and then had his creator's pet Arcee joke about it.

I don't know why I even bother reading this series anymore, I really don't. All it does is piss me off.

inflatable dalek
2012-11-22, 09:03 PM
Sorrry Terome, I am real. :P

Omega Supreme is characterised here about as well as he's ever been in just a few panels.

There was nothing wrong with him here, but in what way was he especially well characterised? "Omega Supreme doesn't like to give interviews" is hardly some amazing new insight is it? He's not even as well developed as he was in the Annual. Indeed, I'd say he's reduced to McGuffin status, his pressence (and explosion) just being what kicks things off rather than important in and of itself.


Arcee is a ridiculous Mary Sue that goes around brutalizing more interesting characters and removing them from the story at will.

The Arcee thing was easily my least favourite part of the issue. It was pure Drift from the bad old days and managed to contain all the worst aspects of the character in one easily digested package. How bloody stupid is it that she'd be able to deal with all those Decepticons by herself. Anyone remember how Ultra Magnus was able to defeat Arcee alone back in her Spotlight (if only just)? Or how five Dinobots had a hard time with Shockwave alone? Is the humble robo-vagina his own personal Kryptonite?

What would have been so bad with that scene being played with Arcee working as the advanced attack for a strike where all of Prowl's team (who presumably are in on her presence what with being right outside twidling their thumbs as she does her slaughter thing) take part to bring down a bunch of characters including some of the biggest and baddest guns the Decepticons have?

And why has Arcee ended up as a Mary Drift for Barber anyway? He didn't create this version of the character and I can't see what's supposed to be so awesome about her that would make him grab onto her and give her all the Poochie stuff.

And whilst I'm not completely averse to the amount of character deaths (though I think they're being increasingly badly handled) I do agree the somewhat smug joke aimed at people it is pissing off was poorly done. It's not a book selling well enough to do the equiverlent of telling those who are waivering to **** off.

Terome
2012-11-23, 12:03 AM
On Arcee, I think the character is ill-conceived but even so I've never been particularly fond of power-level arguments. I'm happy to chalk up her successes to the simple fact that she got the drop on some under-prepared guys walking around with impractical weaponry. The solution to alleviate her Mary Sueness would be to give Prowl more shadowy agents to play with but that is kind of inelegant when you've got this Threat Level 9 (whatever that means) character floating around. That said, you'd think Soundwave might have done a scan or whatever when Ravage started complaining about a weird smell. And while we're on the subject, I guess it's now true that Transformers emit olfactory signals to indicate emotional states... but then that's only really as surprising as why they talk with flappy mouths. Maybe Soundwave did know Arcee was there but couldn't say anything and was comedically mugging about off-panel.

On Triggerhappy and Blot, I'm inclined to mourn them (though I did mistake Blot for Skullcruncher who was dead already) because they are scrappy late-runners who never got much to do but, on the other hand, they weren't so precious a resource that the story will grind to a halt without them.

On Omega Supreme, I think I'm using 'characterisation' in a slightly different sense to you, Dalek. I didn't mean to say that we gained new insights into him, just that he was well encapsulated in a few words and some very nice artwork from Guido. In fact, my use of 'characterisation' might well be entirely incorrect.

On Prowl, I like the fact that he is the villain of this book. He's kind of a messed-up guy and he doesn't have the distance and resources he usually uses to make people believe that this isn't the case. He used to have command over fleets and worlds, now he has one wacko who does an appalling job of sticking to the shadows. He is losing it in more than a few ways.

I guess the reason I like this book more than you guys then is because I care about the characters a bit less? I'm not really bothered if they go mad or die horribly or become insufferable so long as they are doing so in an interesting and entertaining way. That could be quite a damnation with faint praise. Though I will admit to having to convince myself that Ravage will get well soon.

Red Dave Prime
2012-11-24, 03:26 AM
I guess the reason I like this book more than you guys then is because I care about the characters a bit less? I'm not really bothered if they go mad or die horribly or become insufferable so long as they are doing so in an interesting and entertaining way. That could be quite a damnation with faint praise. Though I will admit to having to convince myself that Ravage will get well soon.

I'll go along with most of that. I thought this was a solid issue and covered quite a lot. I'd argue that we aren't getting the usual evil starscream, but rather one who wants to live at the top of society and enjoy all the benefits that would give him. I quite liked it.

The only problem, and it feels quite big, is that just as it looks like the election arc will lead to a conclusion we get Megatron stomping back. And while I loved the image of Megs carrying a severed sweep head, my heart sank a little. Its only been a year. Could we not have at least seen how Prowl was going to beat Starscream in the elections? And there was enough characters here to play with before bringing the super bad guy back. It does somewhat explain why the heads of the Decepticon army get wiped out so quickly.

So a good issue as a read, but I think that the series may end up taking a turn towards missed opportunity street. Maybe Barber has an original idea coming up. Hope so.

Terome
2012-11-24, 10:30 PM
The only problem, and it feels quite big, is that just as it looks like the election arc will lead to a conclusion we get Megatron stomping back. And while I loved the image of Megs carrying a severed sweep head, my heart sank a little. Its only been a year. Could we not have at least seen how Prowl was going to beat Starscream in the elections? And there was enough characters here to play with before bringing the super bad guy back. It does somewhat explain why the heads of the Decepticon army get wiped out so quickly.

So a good issue as a read, but I think that the series may end up taking a turn towards missed opportunity street. Maybe Barber has an original idea coming up. Hope so.

Yeah, completely agree. I have to try quite hard not to think about it to feel optimistic about this Megatron arc. It's just way too soon - Megatron returning, or being found, after the status quo really has changed would be really interesting. Denyer mentioned Fables upthread and I, for one, really liked the integration of the former Big Bad into the storyline after he had ceased to be a direct threat. RID has talked a big game about changing things up but there's been no change to the set-up from Death Of Optimus Prime: The Decepticons are still grumpy, the NAILs are still making demands and the Autobots are still hanging on.

Summerhayes
2012-12-02, 02:30 PM
I've actually been fairly happy with RiD all along. Sure, it doesn't even touch Roberts' stuff elsewhere but it was a nice new take. I'm actually loving this version of Screamer and I never really liked Prowl.
I'm sincerely hoping Megatron isn't back properly. Maybe he'll have amnesia or something?

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-02, 02:40 PM
I dunno, there's a lack of focus to a lot of the issues in RiD for me. Probably due to the nature they were going for but a lot of it hasnt hung together into any kinda off story. Its mostly just incidents being linked together. At times it looks to go for shades of grey but most of its characters are either straight good or bad. The Decepticons really are just an evil army save for Dirge. It would have been nice if Prowl had to take out another Autobot instead of the evil bombshell and constructicons.

Dont get me wrong, its not a terrible comic by any stretch but it still feels like its lacking in its execution (pun intended)

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-12-02, 07:06 PM
I dunno, there's a lack of focus to a lot of the issues in RiD for me. Probably due to the nature they were going for but a lot of it hasnt hung together into any kinda off story. Its mostly just incidents being linked together. At times it looks to go for shades of grey but most of its characters are either straight good or bad. The Decepticons really are just an evil army save for Dirge. It would have been nice if Prowl had to take out another Autobot instead of the evil bombshell and constructicons.

Dont get me wrong, its not a terrible comic by any stretch but it still feels like its lacking in its execution (pun intended)

That is how I exactly I feel about MTMTE it has no real direction or focus characters (like Skids, Overlord, and Grimlock) just appear out of nowhere and new concepts or new takes on old concepts (like the DJD, Necrobot, Monoformers) with the idea that Roberts will maybe one day get around to explaining it and the actual plot of the series, which is finding the Knights of Cybertron and Cyberutopia is more of an annoyance to Roberts. Running gags that are slowly losing their appeal. Half time I don't understand WTF is going on and actually don't care that I understand and have no interest in trying to understand WTF is going on, because the characters are all the same and bland. Other than the Scavengers not any of the main characters I like all that much to care about. Hell Regeneration One looks more fun and entertaining to me than MTMTE is. I'm hoping that Shadowplay will restore some of my interest in this series that for me is coming very close to being taken off my pull list.

I feel RID is more focused (with the exceptions of the Orion Pax issues those feel like they from another series altogether), and is just an overall better series by far.

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-03, 02:19 AM
That is how I exactly I feel about MTMTE it has no real direction or focus characters (like Skids, Overlord, and Grimlock) just appear out of nowhere and new concepts or new takes on old concepts (like the DJD, Necrobot, Monoformers) with the idea that Roberts will maybe one day get around to explaining it and the actual plot of the series, which is finding the Knights of Cybertron and Cyberutopia is more of an annoyance to Roberts. Running gags that are slowly losing their appeal. Half time I don't understand WTF is going on and actually don't care that I understand and have no interest in trying to understand WTF is going on, because the characters are all the same and bland. Other than the Scavengers not any of the main characters I like all that much to care about. Hell Regeneration One looks more fun and entertaining to me than MTMTE is. I'm hoping that Shadowplay will restore some of my interest in this series that for me is coming very close to being taken off my pull list.

I feel RID is more focused (with the exceptions of the Orion Pax issues those feel like they from another series altogether), and is just an overall better series by far.

Wow, take about opposite. Fair enough with your comments. I do agree that the main focus of MTMTE is somewhat lost. Its a bit like Voyager trying to get home. They would have but kept getting sidetracked exploring(!) I would disagree with stuff appearing out of nowhere though. One of the best bits with MTMTE is when something happens you can happily go back through the old issues and see how things have been building up to it. Roberts has really built on a lot of the stuff that came out of LSOTW and other peoples work too. But each to their own and maybe thats the strength of IDWs Transformer work at the moment - if you dont like one book, the other isn't just the same thing with different robots.

Cyberstrike nTo
2012-12-04, 05:03 PM
Wow, take about opposite. Fair enough with your comments. I do agree that the main focus of MTMTE is somewhat lost. Its a bit like Voyager trying to get home. They would have but kept getting sidetracked exploring(!) I would disagree with stuff appearing out of nowhere though. One of the best bits with MTMTE is when something happens you can happily go back through the old issues and see how things have been building up to it. Roberts has really built on a lot of the stuff that came out of LSOTW and other peoples work too. But each to their own and maybe thats the strength of IDWs Transformer work at the moment - if you dont like one book, the other isn't just the same thing with different robots.

My major problem is that Roberts has way too many smart alacks on the book. Rodimus Prime, Swerve, Skids, Chromedome, Eject, Brainstorm, and Whirl all come off as IMO as they're all trying for a spot on Comedy Central. I get that humor is important to the series and characters and sometimes the jokes are very funny but does everyone on the damn ship not need to be a comedian. When you have a page about Ultra Magnus telling Tailgate the importance of the semicolon, or revealing he can't say the word "fun" it feels like those jokes were filler. And I hate how Roberts handles Ultra Magnus, he has damn near ruined his character. I loved what Costa was trying to do with the character turning him from a serious cop into a solider, and relucant field leader if Roberts had continued this character arc he would be a real stand-out character.

Denyer
2012-12-04, 07:41 PM
That is how I exactly I feel about MTMTE it has no real direction or focus characters (like Skids, Overlord, and Grimlock) just appear out of nowhere and new concepts or new takes on old concepts (like the DJD, Necrobot, Monoformers) with the idea that Roberts will maybe one day get around to explaining it and the actual plot of the series,
I kind of hope he doesn't... there isn't anywhere particularly new to take Transformers in terms of plot focus; it's like reading Batman or X-Men for 20-30 years. So what he's doing in terms of fleshing out TF culture and history is a lot more interesting.

inflatable dalek
2012-12-04, 07:51 PM
I can't speak for how Costa handled Magnus, but the OCD freak is the logical extension of how Furman wrote him as this dull by the book character who says his full catchphrase every time he tries to arrest anyone. Much like Drift he was always a comedy character, it just didn't use to be intentional.

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-04, 11:32 PM
can't speak for how Costa handled Magnus,

Honestly cant remember him appearing that much other than to get row with Hot Rod, get battered by Menasor and then get battered by Omega Megatron.

I agree that Roberts adds more then a dash of humour to proceedings but its one of the aspects I love about it. If its not your kinda humour I can imagine it being more than a bit off putting.

Terome
2012-12-05, 12:51 AM
To be honest, I find Ultra Magnus in particular kind of overcooked in MTMTE. However, he's a lot more memorable than the previous incarnation as a straight-laced cop guy.

And there's already been plenty of evidence that Roberts knows the ever-giving secret of joke characters - that they are really there to surprise you by occasionally not being joke characters. Do this well enough and before you know it you have an effective dose of depth.

The Venture Brothers is really good at this trick. Closer to MTMTE, Red Dwarf is pretty much a masterclass in it.

zigzagger
2012-12-11, 12:50 AM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise #12 preview @ Full Metal Hero (http://www.fullmetalhero.com/t10792/).

Summerhayes
2012-12-11, 10:21 AM
I'm impressed. It genuinely looks like they're not doing the obvious stuff.
Of course, it completely undoes all the great work Roberts has been doing making Megatron such an excellent villain in his own absence. But hey ho.

That face when he says "I come in peace" is priceless.

Auntie Slag
2012-12-11, 10:23 PM
Wow, this is the first time where I've preferred an RID Barber issue over Roberts (as in being somewhat non-plussed with the Orion Pax preview). This looks proper good and doom-laden.

For a moment I thought Bumblebee had ruined everything by shooting first and now that there's so much Megatron backstory (thanks to Roberts), this is the first time I've ever felt concerned for modern Megatron! I almost wouldn't blame him for wanting to scrap them all, but hopefully the outcome will be far more interesting than that.

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-12, 10:49 PM
Wow, this is the first time where I've preferred an RID Barber issue over Roberts (as in being somewhat non-plussed with the Orion Pax preview). This looks proper good and doom-laden.
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Having just read both, I think your gut feeling was right. This issue has a great vibe of tension running through it. It runs at a much better pace then the usual RiD and there are some twists and turns that work but aren't too obvious. And Starscream seems well and truly moving away from the treacherous character that many of us worried he might fall back into.

If I was to nitpick, Megatrons return is actually low-key in a way. I'm not sure if its how I would have done it but I think it works. He doesnt dominate the issue in the way you might imagine and he doesnt look like he's going to run riot over the comic. Very much looking forward to seeing where this goes.

inflatable dalek
2012-12-13, 08:51 PM
Didn't we just have one of these?

Much better than last issue, probably helped by Arcee and Prowl only being in one panel each and coming across as far more interesting when others are speculating on who has been going around killing everyone. Though it does make me wonder if there's going to be some sort of mind control cop out to explain Prowl.

On the other side of the coin, Wheeljack has always been a highlight of the book, so lots of attention for him is a good thing. I'll even forgive the Ghostbusters gag. Starscream pulled back from the edge back towards his better writing as well, even if I think the damage may have been done there.

The rapid falling apart of society and the Decepticons gleefully hanging onto the old ways was nicely done.

So presumably whatever B word Megatron was trying to say is what's outside the City buggering everything up. Hmmm.

The main annoyances are the same old ones, the sheer pointlessness of a large chunk of the last year now the elections don't matter and so on.

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-13, 09:49 PM
Starscream pulled back from the edge back towards his better writing as well, even if I think the damage may have been done there.

Is that not a bit unfair? I think some people picked up that 'scream was going to be written as a backstabber evil guy a few issues, but I'm not sure if that has ever been Barbers direction. People have assumed something that wasn't ever intended. Starscream wants power, sure, but he isn't looking for a war to go along with it.

inflatable dalek
2012-12-14, 12:44 PM
If that wasn't Barber's intent then last issue's inner monologue was very badly written as it seemed to remove any and all ambiguity from Starscream's motivations.

Red Dave Prime
2012-12-17, 01:18 AM
Anyone else feel that the final page with Prowl looked exactly like when Sentinel Prime tooled up to take on Megatron? And was that intentional?

zigzagger
2013-01-08, 06:26 AM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise #13 preview @ Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1301/08/idwfirsts.htm).

Bucquoy
2013-01-09, 01:24 PM
From the looks of their lips, Overlord and Megatron seem to have the same plastic surgeon. ;)

Story-wise, it seems a obvious continuation of the previous issue. I wonder, though, what Megatron is up to.

Red Dave Prime
2013-01-09, 07:51 PM
This is a though issue to gauge, and I dont want to make any comments until a few more people are ready. Not sure if I liked it all or if I think it all comes together properly.

But...

The reveal on the last double page is wonderfully done. Great artwork and certainly something I didnt see coming. Once I started to think about it, I have to say I think its possibly come a little too quick. But it could create an interesting comic, although certainly not the one we thought it would be.

inflatable dalek
2013-01-09, 09:09 PM
SPOILER HO.


















Hmm, for most of the issue it's fairly standard RID, talking about elections happening any second (a fairly moot point by this stage); Arcee being annoying; characters dying and so on.

Give Barber his due though, as with Nautilator in the last MTMTE there was some effort put into making Bluestreak and Warpath more than just walking corpses (poor old Jetfire had to rely on familiarity from previous appearances though) and Wheeljack, Blurr and Dirge all remained great characters. Add in some nice rising tension and up until the last page this was a fairly solid issue.

And then everything changes. It's hard to say if that change is going to be good or bad, but it's certainly audacious. If issue 14 can pull it off, than some of my biggest criticsms of the series to date will be completely moot and Barber will have pulled off a difficult long game with aplomb.

Though I suspecting some sort of back peddling on Prowl: A cerebro shell perhaps?

Red Dave Prime
2013-01-10, 12:00 AM
Hmm, for most of the issue it's fairly standard RID, talking about elections happening any second (a fairly moot point by this stage); Arcee being annoying; characters dying and so on.

Thats a fair assessment. And in truth, that sums up a lot of RiD of late - elections, nice minor character bit, Arcee/Prowl acting prickish, Metalhawk confused as to who to thrust and then BOOM! A big cliffhanger.

Though I suspecting some sort of back peddling on Prowl: A cerebro shell perhaps?

This is the thing. When Prowls motives get revealed, it's kinda vital that all these twists and turns make sense upon review. Its the thing which has made MTMTE a great re-read. Whether you enjoy Roberts work, he's been very good at setting up his twists. I'm not sure if this is going to work out.

A cerebro shell would be one way, but it tends to reduce the robot under its control to a bit of a zombie so I dont believe its whats happening here.

Prowl turning to the Decepticon cause would pretty much go against his character completely and if thats the way its going then I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Although, Prowl was alone with Megatron during Police Action so it's possible that Barber may link it to that.

My other idea is that Prowl is double crossing Megatron. Its flimsy but now he has all the decepticons united and proving they're a threat, he knows the autobots and nails will unite. This leaves him with a powerful new body (probably built by shockwave) and inside the new decepticon force, able to destroy it from within. But I feel I'm grasping.

IMO Where as MTMTE is an enjoyable ride no matter how the plots end, I think Barber really needs to pull out a great 2-3 issues to conclude this arc as his issues havent been individual as much fun as Roberts.

Knightdramon
2013-01-10, 10:42 AM
F*cking loved it. I'll have to re-read it later though.

Ace, just ace. I still think there's a play behind all this, a twist on the twist and that Prowl just kills them all.

Or he just wants an atrocity bad enough to unite both NAILS and Autobots against the Decepticons.

I genuinely felt sorry for Starscream this issue, it finally feels as if he's the victim and not a d*ck.

And finally, finally, a RID issue cliffhanger that leaves me wanting for more, much much more.

Phase Sixer
2013-01-10, 03:11 PM
Wow! What a issue, this is the Megatron I want to see, I have been critical of RID and skeptical, but Barber has so far come through, Im very very intrigued to see where this is headed

Prowl, where to start, some on other sites have stated that this feels forced and not Prowl, but I beg to differ, this is EXACTLY a move that this Prowl would pull, if Prowl has crossed over and gone decepticon, I will love that

Prowls actions, he has already shown in AHM coda #3, that he is willing to DECIEVE his autobot companions for the "greater good" no matter what the cost, he blows off his cover in the ongoing series to SAVE a decepticon, Prowls meeting with Megatron later in the ongoing, and to top everything off, and from what I gathered, Prowl hates that he was duped by Spike, Spike and presumably the US goverment working with decepticons the whole time the autobots where trying to help them, this is why he loathes Spike, having Prowl join up with the decepticons as part of some type of "end game" for Prowl is devilishly spot on for this Prowl, and kudos to Barber for pulling such a move

Starscream, poor Starscream, just when he seems to have everything (power) within his grasp, it all slips away, hopefully Starscream has learned a valuable lesson, when it comes to power, you can never SCHEME your way to the top, there is always somebody with a better scheme than you, THE POWER IS IN THE PEOPLE or BOTS in this case, Megatron fully understands this, Starscream does not, this is why Starscream will never unseat Megatron, Starscream is all about hisself, while Megatron rallies the PEOPLE

I loved the converstation Starscream gave to Megatron, He's trying to tell Megatron that he has it under control and this Titan showed up and said he's the choosen one, and Megatron is just there and I could just picture Megatron saying in his head, "Starscream I dont give a f*ck about what your doing or what some titan said", loved Megatron walking to the black room while Metalhawk is trying to give a speech, Megatron is walking like I dont give a f*ck about what he's saying im Megatron, this was an awesome issue

That beautiful double page spread, the only thing that I said when I saw it was, oh sh*t, somebody get Optimus er Orion Pax back to Cybertron NOW or there will be no hope, Megatron is back

Between Megatron in RID and Overlord in MTMTE, if they blow me away like this issue did, I will forgive IDW for shortening the Dead Universe plot and AHM and what was known as the Costa years, I will forgive it all

Terome
2013-01-10, 06:59 PM
Ahahaha! That was some fine work, RID team!

Not too sure if it quite makes sense on every level but we'll see how it pans out. What are we looking at here: cerebro-shell, Pretender Megatron, straight-up defection or something else entirely?

Panel space was limited but boy oh boy did anyone else find that Bluestreak / Jetfire / Warpath dispatch to be really brutal? It was Jetfire knowing it was coming way ahead of Bluestreak, who was in denial right up to the point he had his head blown off, and Warpath, who went down fighting in the most limp and weary of ways.

Here's a line that gets me thinking - Arcee talking about Prowl's 'allies.' Presumably she knows all about who is hanging out in the Black Room. That puts her kewl rebellious attitude throughout in a different light...

inflatable dalek
2013-01-10, 08:01 PM
If Barber pulls it off so that whatever is going on with Prowl (who could also be under the influence of whatever sent the Dinobots nuts) feels like it was smartly planned out from the beginning rather than him just making it up as he goes along this could be awesome.

Of course, it doesn't matter if he has been making it up as he goes along, just as long as it doesn't feel like it.

Terome
2013-01-10, 09:09 PM
I agree. This is, by design, the making or breaking point of the story. Would be nice to see it accomplished - no serial is ever completely planned out and making it seem like it was is a trick I always like to admire.

Forgot about the wacky Dinobot plot. Yeah, that definitely was a thing, wasn't it? Lots of dead-ends you can get out with when 'the earth spirits made them crazy!' is set up far enough in advance.

The timing could be quite nice if Prowl really was behind Overlord being on the Lost Light.

Red Dave Prime
2013-01-10, 09:37 PM
Maybe Prowl just wants the war to start up again?

But yeah, if this pans out even remotely well then Barber deserves a bit of praise.

Terome
2013-01-10, 10:05 PM
I seem to remember an episode of Peter Pan & The Pirates where Pan kills Hook somehow and then spends quarter of an hour realising how he's robbed himself of anything to do so he uses some kind of genie or genie equivalent to wish Hook back to life again and he is happy to resume his life of eternal conflict.*

Poor Prowl!


* I especially like how this is so at odds with the book, where Hook is killed and Pan forgets about him almost immediately because he is a sociopathic little shit.

Summerhayes
2013-01-12, 06:59 PM
there are only two ways I can see this satisfyingly ending for me; either prowl is using a fake Megatron and planned all of this to unite the authors and nails in a fight they can win, wherein he does a hero but nobody but are knows, or he has genuinely defected and becomes the main viLal I n of the book (which he more or less is already)

Red Dave Prime
2013-01-13, 02:41 AM
there are only two ways I can see this satisfyingly ending for me; either prowl is using a fake Megatron and planned all of this to unite the authors and nails in a fight they can win, wherein he does a hero but nobody but are knows, or he has genuinely defected and becomes the main viLal I n of the book (which he more or less is already)

Option 3: Pre-decepticon Megatron wakes up with a hangover beside an equally messed up Impactor and say "Man, I've just had the weirdest dream..."

So ends the IDW Transformers saga, explaining away all the plot inconsistencies by way of Megatron having one energon shot too many...

zigzagger
2013-02-23, 02:54 AM
Transformers: Robots In Disguise #14 preview @ Comics Alliance (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/02/22/transformers-robots-in-disguise-14-preview/).

Red Dave Prime
2013-02-23, 08:21 AM
Bumblebee - "That doesnt make the slightest bit of sense"

Blurr -"But its happening anyway!"

hmmmm....

I must check back on this as to what point did they figure out Megatron is working with Prowl. Was it Arcee who told? Probably. Hopefully.

Hard to judge this yet but fingers crossed it all makes sense. I do think the cover with Megatron and Prowl looks like really weird - kinda like they are some strange robot warrior couple.

Knightdramon
2013-02-23, 10:30 AM
Awesome, can't wait to read more. Looks like Sideswipe and Blurr were on the rescue\investigation team; I hope Sideswipe doesn't die in the next page.

Though I'm really, really, REALLY curious as to how they'll wrap the whole Prowl matter up. Last issue he saved Wheeljack, this issue he's about to kill him? Is he triple crossing everyone? Is it an act in front of the Decepticons?

And...yay with Megatron getting a new body, shortly before his generations toy comes out! :lol:

Terome
2013-02-25, 10:47 AM
Reads a bit like it was written with the foreknowledge that a preview of about this length would exist... all of the characters are treading water establishing the zany situation. I understand that the previews are necessary but surely there are alternatives to simply presenting the first few pages if their presence is going to affect the final product?

Knightdramon
2013-02-25, 11:22 AM
Raise of hands for those who remember Ongoing's #1 preview. :lol:

I personally think it's a neat trick, what they're currently doing with RID and MTMTE previews. The MTMTE ones more than often offer very, very little in the way of the more concrete story.

This RID one, for instance, just drew most major players [Metalhawk, the rogue Decepticons, Sideswipe and Blurr] in the spotlight of the "Black room". I mean, it "spoils" what's about to happen without actually even hinting what's going to happen later on.

Summerhayes
2013-02-25, 03:48 PM
This was never my favourite series, but I am genuinely excited to see what's going on here. Hopefully many of the points I thought were issues with the series will be explained, just as the high body count seems to be turning out to be some sort of red Herring.

Knightdramon
2013-02-25, 04:02 PM
I like to think of both MTMTE and RID as something like LOST, but separated in two comics.

MTMTE has many, many, many great character moments with a spotlight of about 10 regulars each coming back and forth in prominence.

RID, on the other hand, seems to have taken all the story and plot lines together and making you think they're not connected, but actually are.

Without spoiling anything, RID has 3 to 4 storylines concurrently spanning that seem disjointed but may very well be intertwined in ways we can't imagine. MTMTE on the other hand has 1 storyline with no point yet [the Knights] but has turned up a much, much richer sidestory regarding the conspiracy in the basement.

Summerhayes
2013-02-25, 06:51 PM
I'm definitely seeing the lost connection. In fact, didn't Roberts say as much in mtmte 1? Amusingly, I'm actually only just watching through lost properly now, on love film, and living it. I'm halfway through series 3

inflatable dalek
2013-02-27, 07:44 PM
Issue read, spoilers following:











Well, how the series justified the rug pulling cliffhanger was always going to be a make or break moment for me on this book, and it doesn't quite work on a couple of levels.

First, and probably the most damaging in terms of this issue worrking in its own right, is the plot basically flatlines in order to have characters exposition. Even though the explanations are actually far more simple (cerebro shells, magic combiners) than the amount of time given over to them suggests.

Secondly Prowl turns out to be entirely irrelevant despite being so central to all the build up. People talk about him (and through him) but he doesn't bring anything to the table himself.

And as well as Deviprowl looking a bit silly, wouldn't it make more sense to either keep Prowl possessed or convert a loyal Decepticon for the purpose? Because having the poor pissed of sap you've brutally mentally abused as the centre of a giant scary monster really isn't going to work out well for you is it?

Oh, and the ending was about 50000% obvious from the moment Megatron said Ironhide and the Arielbots were like, totally dead man, honest.

Ironhide's lines at the end were a bit odd as well, making it sound like they'd been watching the death and carnage to date but not bothered to do anything till now. What a git.

The big problem arc wise, is that it does feel like Barber has been making it up as he goes along, and is now jumping through hoops to make things work. I can't see this having been the intended endpoint back when Ratbat was killed. It just feels messy somehow. And haven't we had inner monolouges from Prowl since he was supposedly taken over?

And how did Bombshell manage to fake both his death and that of the Constructicons (which involved their heads exploding no less)seconds after taking Prowl over as a seemingly opportunistic move?

And what has been Arcee's motivation?

Red Dave Prime
2013-02-27, 09:59 PM
All of your points are bang on - but I still enjoyed this. Things are moving along at a quick pace and as long as we dont get a reset button at the end (wheeljack better stay dead) than this could work out ok.

I liked the exposition here simply because of the use of the old artwork. It tied everything together and did a nice job of showing some degree of history to the series as a whole.

Was it the best option with Prowl? Probably not - I think it was the easiest. Prowl converting to an out and out villain would have been a real shock to the status quo and the idw fan community (no bad thing) but would have needed a great explanation. Prowl being on some crazy double cross against the cons would have been a stretch too far.

I'd echo some of your faults - Ironhides comment at the end do some odd but I think they are aimed at the sign of the Decepticon Icon being raised. (but I do hope Ironhide becomes Megatrons nemesis for a while - there's pure fear and hate on Ironhides side) Prowl as the centre of the new Devastator may be more to do with Megatron looking for a "blank" transformer to take that position seeing as there are no more Constructicons.

Arcee? No, not sure where that ones going either...

Terome
2013-02-27, 11:40 PM
Hmm. Quite liked all the death and carnage and that quite spooky image of Megatron carrying his old body around like it was a pupa case but hoo boy all the talk of mysterious energies and magic powers was a bit much.

It's not inconsistent with anything but you really have to love Autobot procedure - 'Hey our guy Beachcomber was compromised and used as a weapon to strike against us. Good thing we stopped that. I'm sure it will never happen again.' I can imagine Prowl lobbying anyone who will listen about compulsory cerebro-shell scans and then Ironhide just calling him a sissy until he was too embarrassed to bring it up again.

I do wonder what Arcee is up to with all this. A re-read might shake some clues loose but honestly who has the time.

We sure have seen Megatron crush Bumblebee's head a lot in the past few years haven't we?

inflatable dalek
2013-02-28, 05:15 AM
Did the Beachcomber thing even happen now?

What's confusing about Arcee is she was working for Prowl both before and after he was taken over, despite his completely different motivations and that one of his masters is that really good mate of her own nemesis Jhiaxus. But she seems to both known all along and been perfectly fine with this based on how she just casually wanders up (I'm sure Triggerhappy and Blot are glad she was on the team all along).

In terms of straightening it all out in my head... We take it that Dirge was in on it all along as well? He suddenly knows exactly what's really going on, leads everyone into a trap and has that "This is my moment line" that implies the actor's mask of cowardice is slipping. But then the exposition suggests he genuinely wasn't supposed to have seen the Constructicons death and he and Swindle (who would presumably have to be in on it as well) really played their parts to the hilt even when alone.

The trap bit was really silly as well:

"Isn't this a trap Bumblebee?"
"It's not a trap if we know it's a trap!"
*Trap works*
"Whuuuh how did that happen?"

Red Dave Prime
2013-02-28, 10:12 AM
"Isn't this a trap Bumblebee?"
"It's not a trap if we know it's a trap!"
*Trap works*
"Whuuuh how did that happen?"

Ha - nice.

So... MTMTE is kinda like Red Dwarf and now RiD is... Original Battlestar maybe?

Phase Sixer
2013-03-01, 02:04 AM
Read it and I get it

I understand most people's frustrations with this, but just like with issue 10 it takes you going back reading through this again and then reading RID from the beginning with the knowledge that bombshell took over Prowl in issue 4, if you do that it all works

When you do this you understand Arcee's role and how she has been working with prowl before bombshell and after, for instance in issue 4, Arcee's tells Prowl I know what you did to Rodimus ship, to which he admits he has something up his sleeve yet he didn't blow up the ship, then in issue 5, Arcee tells Prowl she knows about his "different secret", and its clear she understands that Prowl has been over taken by bombshell, she just doesn't want bombshell to know

Also if u go back to issue 11, it's clear that Arcee took out Shockwave and Co. To throw off Starscream, so no worries there

And as far as issue 4 and the constructicons, it's obvious that at the moment when bombshell took over prowl, Arcee was unaware, but understood that Prowl was somehow different and she proves it in issue 5, but the point is Bombshell detonated the constructicons for 2 reasons, one to keep Arcee fooled and two to make everyone think the constructicons are dead, he says it plainly in issue 14, no one worries about what dead people do and since to the Nails and other autobots they already established that autobots can kill deceptions via the I/ d chips established in issues 1 and 2, so it's clear that is the motive behind the constructicons, they did it that way so it's exactly as stated in issue 14, they wanted the Nails and others to know what Prowl did, just not prove it, so no worries there

And a lot of people are being very nitpicky, like with Ironhide and co., to me it does show that they have been waiting and watching things go down, but obviously why wouldn't you let Megatron reveal his plans before u go running in to save the day, At this point Ironhide realizes that Megatron is sitting his plan into motion so now it's time to act, it's exactly what Prime would do, but now all of sudden Ironhides an arse?

Red Dave Prime
2013-03-01, 03:40 AM
Ok, so I'm going to go back to see how this all pans out. Prepare for much rambling.

Issue 1 - Not much to go on here. Main point in the grand scheme of things is that to all intents and purposes, shockwave, soundwave and Bombshell are seen to be sitting around doing nothing. The three are shown to stand out so its clear that we'll get something with them.

Issue 2 - Soundwave and Shockwave dont seem to care about Ratbat and his plans. Not much else here.

Issue 3 - Nothing here of note I reckon.

Issue 4 - So now we start proper

Initially, there is a conversation between Sunstorm and Bombshell where Bombshell talks about Skydive (the dead purple seeker) being divisive and how to be "part of all who are one" will be better. So far so good.

Also Prowls last thought bubble (he narrates the issue) is right before he "shoots" bombshell. We also see that when he takes out the constructicons, Arcee is watching and prowl is aware of this.

So far so good.

Issue 5 has Prowl acting super aggressive with not much else. Arcee tells prowl she knows his other secret but doesnt elaborate. Hard to tell how to take this issue.

Issue 6 - Orion Pax - no prowl :)

Issue 7 - Turmoils Time ship. Pretty much all from Wheeljacks pov. Prowls few lines are the usual "we cant thrust the cons, they're bad" etc etc.

Issue 8 - Dinobots go crazy. Prowl convinces Bee to have elections. He rants against Megatron. It could be very fairly argued that he is using the elections to distract bee from the decepticons. Of course being the head of security he could just say "no bee, verythings good with the cons"

Issue 9 - Ok, now its getting a little complicated. Dinobots fight, we discover superion, wheeljack discovers that something makes autobots in the outer reaches go crazy but it doesnt affect anyone in the city. Kima is mentioned which could be where Megatron is getting all his tech gear but thats not a definite. We also get Prowl looking for martial law.

Issue 10 - Pax, wheelie, Jhiaxus. Nothing here.

RiD Annual (I'm assuming this would go here in the timeline)

Not much to start with but we are reminded that what affects the autobots occurs after sundown. Prowl and Starscream waken the Titan and at this point you would imagine it will be Starscream will lead the charge against the decepticons if thats what the titan meant.

Issue 11 - shit hits the fan. Omega is torched (its possible he is too big for bombshell to control) Prowl is acting fairly normally, given the situation. Dirge and Swindle definitely are not in on the plan as they figure it might be shockwave who torched Omega, based on what Dirge told him about Prowl.

Still with me? Starscream confronts Shock & Soundwave along with Astrotrain and Blitzwing. We're told that all the other deceptiocns have left the bunker and started to try and settle (at least thats starscreams view of it)

Theres a bit of a conversation between prowl and bee, but nothing out of the ordinary. When we go back to the cons we see that rumble and frenzy are still in their cassette forms (they become the tanks later) Arcee attacks and this wouldnt seem to be part of any plan. However - it is possible that the cons are allowing arcee to win and playing here. We all wondered how she could take down all these cons didnt we? maybe thats why.

After the shrapnel bomb goes off, Prowl orders the bodies to be taken to the black room. I think this is the first mention of it. The bomb goes off and takes Prowl out. Starscream and arcee have a brief exchange where Arcee indicates she knows a lot more of whats going on then she is letting on.

Then Megatron walks back into the story

Issue 12

Whats interesting here is that Prowl is being operated on by Autobots, at least at the start.

Megatron declares he has come in peace and the Autobots blast him to shit. This is probably the silliest part of the plan and I'm not sure why he goes through this. Needlenose saves Megatron because they Autobots were happy to keep firing. The Decepticons that werent in the pen seem angry at the whole situation (leaders gone and now Megatron, their returning hero is being zapped) but there's little indication they are in on any grand scheme. Megatron ends up in prison. Metalhawk and Bee consider that starscream is behind everything.

Starscream confronts the remaining decepticons but they arent buying what he is selling. They resemble a lynch mob here, still no sign that they have any idea what Megatron is up to. Prowls body is stolen from his regen chamber and it turns out no one can see into his living quarters (I find it funny that this is considered odd) Wheeljack suspects that Prowl is working with someone else (and the reader is probably meant to assume that this means Arcee)

Speaking of, she arrives at Blurs, looking to make a deal.

Starscream confronts Megs at the prison while outside wheeljack is attacked by a mob of cons. He gets knocked down but just as one of the firecons is about to take him out, Prowl arrives and blows the firecon pretty much to bits and asks the other cons to come and have a go if they think they're hard enough. Knowing whats ahead, this bit makes no sense for a variety of reasons. One - Prowl pretty much destroys one con and if they attack him in his new super body he will probably need to take out a few more. Not smart on Bombshells part to be attacking his own troops. Two - Effectively, Bombshell is saving Wheeljack only to kill wheeljack later, at the expense of one of his own troops. Like I said, no sense.

Issue 13 - Nearly there. And this is the big reveal so lets see how we go.

Starscream talks to Megs and sees a flicker of a smile. Panic! The scant few autobots in the prison realise they are outnumbered and may get butchered. More Panic!

Out in the streets Prowl is arresting the Firecon so he wasnt actually destroyed. I still think that scene is stupid on reflection. Prowl and Wheeljack head off and Prowl informs wheeljack that he has troops securing various locals including the prison (which we know to be bullshit from the previous scene - never noticed this on the first reading so well played Barber)

Prowl gives a speech to wheeljack how its still him, how hes been pulling strings all along - yadayadayada. I can only assume that this speech is meant to look, in hindsight, like bombshell is ****ing with wheeljack (and the reader). Because it doesnt have any other possible reason to exsist. Wheeljack gets to see whats in the black room.

Back at the Bar, Blur is is forced to reveal he has been stashing Dirge and Sideswipe to Arcee. Arcee wants Blur to get Dirge and Sideswipe to Bumblebee to tell him that Prowl killed bombshell and the constructicons presumably. At this point it seems clear that Dirge and swindle DO NOT KNOW about megatrons plan as they only want to make sure that Bumblebee is made aware of Prowls actions (no mention of any of the decepticons command unit). However Arcee mentions Prowls allies which, at this point, is odd because Prowl has only been working with Arcee (at least as far as the reader would know) so it looks like she is aware of whats going on. Its possible she is just setting Bee up to be taken to the black room and that she is fully in line with the cons. Although she seems to indicate she will kill a few of them to clear a path for Blur. Hmm again.

Next scene is Bee and Metalhawk who dont seem to have a clue.

Back to the prison and the 3 Autobots get slaughtered. Starscream offers no help and before you know it - WHAM - Megatron is back in charge and ordering his decepticon mob to follow him to the black room. (although it only looks like Apeface and Needlenose follow him)

And then we get the reveal. Prowl in league with the decepticons, Wheel jack at gunpoint, all of arcees victims back to full health with new bodies for Rumble and Frenzy (possibly Bombshell too)

Which brings me to Issue 14. Having gone through the past 13 issues I fell I can know tackle Barbers latest issue. Here's hoping it works out well.

Phase Sixer
2013-03-01, 07:03 AM
Red Dave I get what your getting at but...all in all the story makes sense, if you look at from the prespective of what the Cons who are "in" on it are trying to do, basically let me do it like this

Issue 1- establishes were the cons are and whats going on with them, but the significance in this issue is the establishment that the autobots while using the decepticons can "kill" them at any moment with i/d chips (so the key here is the decepticons know how to turn them off)

Issue 2 - Its obvious Ratbat see's this as his time to establish a leadership role, Shockwave and Soundwave pay this no mind, Ratbats plans are something a kin to Ramjet, Arcee kills Ratbat! why? my guess is because she's a coldblooded killer

Issue 3 - nothing really happens here

Issue 4 - whatever Prowl has going on, Arcee seems to know, she explains to him that she knows what he did to Rodimus ship, now this issue Barber is clearly showing us in this issue how Bombshell overtakes Prowl, ok in issue 14 Bombshell states that he can only use one person at a time, and as soon as Prowl shoots him the head, Dirge becomes unhinged, which is when Bombshell overtakes Prowl, its at this moment when Prowl orders Arcee to stop fighting the constructicons, he will get them, and she goes, "huh is he kidding", because at 1st, Prowl tells her to get the constructicons, now he's telling her he will get them, because now its Bombshell and not Prowl, then she asks him if he's gonna be ok and he says go, Remember at this point, Prowlshell is trying to fool Arcee, so he tells them that he will detonate their chips and then does without them firing a shot at him. Then take a look at the conversation between Prowlshell and Blurr, You the Decepticon like contempt for Blurrs injuries and Prowlshell has no simpathy and just explains he'll be ok and walks off, as I said Arcee was already suspicious but puts 2 and 2 together by the end of isssue 4 as she looks on at Prowlshell

Issue 5 - Arcee basically comes out and tells Prowlshell she knows he's Prowlshell, by saying i know your secret, and Prowlshell who has access to Prowls memories (as established in issue 14) shuns it off as being the same secret she already told him she knew of Prowl, Now pay attentiont to what Arcee says, see in issue 2 she killed Ratbat and not of Prowls behest, so because she knows its Prowlshell she basically tells him that for him she's not gonna kill on command if that's what he was thinking of her, and we 1st see how Prowlshell wants Dirge dead, why? because Dirge saw everything and isnt the most loyal decepticon, that's why and Prowlshell doesn't want his looseend to mess up plans, and also in this issue its obvious that the cons are setting up the bots as not competent in the eyes of the nails, hence when Prowl and company show up where Sky-bite is talking to other decepticons and they show up and just start blasting for no apparent reason, Streetwise gets hurt, Prowl just says again "your okay", Prowlshell is just on a quest to find Dirge, take a look at his exchange with Ironhide during the scuffle, the whole time causing confusion

Issue 8 - check out Bee in Prowlshells office, nothing but wanted posters of Dirge, why would regular Prowl have been so obsessed with Dirge? Then during his conversation pay attention to how "Prowl" talks about the old corrupt senate, the lineage of false primes and the extent they were false and how he talks about Megatron and his band of revolutionaries that stood against injustice, nobody would say that but Prowlshell, page 13 shows only Megatron victories and triumphs over the autobots, its obvious Swindle and Dirge are just two bots trying to make it

Issue 9 - shows us that Arcee is playing by her own tune, if she was 100% in cahoots with the cons she wouldnt pretend to kill them

Annual - we understand now why Prowlshell was mad, because the reveal of the titan made him have to prematurly reveal his plans

Issue 11 - page 2, Bee makes a reference to Zeta Prime and Megatron, Prowlshell tells him he's no megatron. Dirge reveals what he knows to Starscream, now Starscream has no idea that Prowl is Prowlshell, and he now thinks he has the one up on Prowl, Then Starscream shows up where Prowlshell is and thinks he's talking to Prowl and reveals what he knows about Dirge and tells Prowlshell that Dirge also told Shockwave, This is why Arcee shows up and takes out Shockwave and Co. Because it was done to fool Starscream, See that's the whole idea of this, Prowlshell is trying to fool everyone who is not "in" on the scheme who aren't "autobots" like Arcee and Starscream, difference in those two Arcee really knows and Starscream doesnt, so obviously to the reader it wouldn't make sense for Arcee to take out Shockwave and Co. but from Starscreams perspective it does, just as does Prowlshell taking out the Constructicons the way he did, it was all done to show that the autobots were opressive and so that the cons that were "percieved dead" could move about without any interference, Prowlshell blows himself up then Arcee talks to Starscream and tells him that basically she knows more than he thinks she does, all the while Starscream still thinks Prowl is Prowl and Prowlshell thinks Arcee still has his back or is down with the plan

Issue 13 - oh the irony of this issue for Starscream, here he is telling Megatron the Decepticon banner will fly over cybertron due to his scheming, when Megatron already knows he's been pulling strings already, and it will be by his scheme that the Decepticon banner flies and not Starscream, poor Starscream, Again more proof Arcee is playing her own game, she goes to Blurr with Dirge and Swindle who Starscream is supposed to be hiding

Now im not saying everything fits and makes complete sense, but I get what Barber was trying to do here and I think he pulls it off quite nicely, definately we are 10 steps up from anything Costa, and fixing the messes of Costa and Co. was no easy task, but I think Barber did well with what he had to work with.

Terome
2013-03-01, 01:08 PM
That is good work, fellas.

Fittingly, this is kind of how the six-phase system would probably go. There must be a well-worn playbook that the Decepticons are working from here. Which makes the fact that Bumblebee didn't twig quite a bigger blunder than ever, seeing as he's supposed to be a spy of some description.

Knightdramon
2013-03-02, 02:17 PM
Liked the issue and how RID shapes up to be a depressing state for the autobot forces, but some things felt forced.

I can sort of understand the whole Bombshell trick. Most Decepticons are judged on their effectiveness based on their toys and the general role in the lore, not by their characters. That's why a scheming Swindle was so hard to believe in Ongoing, despite all the clues being there. That's why everybody suspects Shockwave all the time, even when he's not actually doing anything. So it makes sense that Bombshell, who, by IDW standards, was created for exactly this sort of details, would be behind something like that.

Yet one thing that makes zero sense is WHY did Prowl\Bombshell SAVE Wheeljack from the mob of Decepticons back in issue 12 [or 13], only to lead him into his HQ\masterplanville and THEN kill him? Wouldn't it just be much easier if he let him on the Decepticons back there?

I'm suspicious of what Arcee is doing and plotting. Unless her entire plan at Blurr's bar was to lure the betraying cons into Bumblebee and then lure him to the Black Room, it's hard to believe she'd help two fugitive cons and Blurr around the city, only to betray them later on.

Devastator using Prowl as a module is a very interesting idea, Prowl appears to be in pain from that. Superion\Dinobots\Ironhide teaming up with Starscream and Blurr\Dirge as a resistance would be a very fun and dynamic team to watch.

All I'm worried about is that RID presented Prowl as a very gray area, pragmatic bot who was all business...and it turns out it was all a cheap mind play. Meh.

EDIT: Just read issue 4...Prowl's speech bubbles end up right before he shot Bombshell. Nothing more from there on.

inflatable dalek
2013-03-02, 02:23 PM
I think I'd actually have preferred it if Prowl has been acting out of his own volition, playing a great big long game to further his own plots that wound up blowing up in his face.

Knightdramon
2013-03-02, 02:56 PM
Yeah, me too. Prowl being a double agent would have been very interesting, or Prowl deciding that the definitive way to obliterate the Decepticons would be to stand next to Megatron's shoulder and do it from within, no matter the cost.

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-04, 02:39 AM
You know, I been wondering...


After the Great Strategic Disaster featured in 2008-2009 and the mess in the Ongoing, why do the Decepticons still put any stock in Megatron and his propoganda? I mean, he's provened that he's fallible at best and nothing but false advertising at worse, or are they just desperate for a savior?

Knightdramon
2013-03-04, 11:28 AM
The Decepticons in the IDW universe started off as one thing and gradually evolved into something else. The main idea was for the to rise against the oppression of the caste system and society.

If you look among Megatron's inner circle and even his 2nd tiers, very few actually rebelled for political reasons. Soundwave simply followed Megatron because it suited him, Starscream was more or less power hungry, Shockwave did it either out of spite or because it seemed logical to him and so on.

After millenia of fighting most Decepticons either serve because they just need excuses to hurt, kill and mutilate [Blitzwing, Astrotrain, Skywarp, Bludgeon] or are too scared to do otherwise [thanks to Megatron's brutality and his Justice Division].

It seems that below his monstrous front, Megatron still wanted his original dream to come true circa AHM, and his wartime over phenomenon was to filter out who'd be in his new society and who'd be a remnant of their violent ways.

Maybe he's strayed from the path, but it seems that most of his followers, even now, follow him because of their fear, other agendas or the brutality has simply become their way of life.

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-04, 01:12 PM
The Decepticons in the IDW universe started off as one thing and gradually evolved into something else. The main idea was for the to rise against the oppression of the caste system and society.

If you look among Megatron's inner circle and even his 2nd tiers, very few actually rebelled for political reasons. Soundwave simply followed Megatron because it suited him, Starscream was more or less power hungry, Shockwave did it either out of spite or because it seemed logical to him and so on.

After millenia of fighting most Decepticons either serve because they just need excuses to hurt, kill and mutilate [Blitzwing, Astrotrain, Skywarp, Bludgeon] or are too scared to do otherwise [thanks to Megatron's brutality and his Justice Division].

It seems that below his monstrous front, Megatron still wanted his original dream to come true circa AHM, and his wartime over phenomenon was to filter out who'd be in his new society and who'd be a remnant of their violent ways.

Maybe he's strayed from the path, but it seems that most of his followers, even now, follow him because of their fear, other agendas or the brutality has simply become their way of life.


I know everything there is to the Decepticons. My point is that Megatron had proven himself, by Spike Witwicky's hands, unworthy of being a leader. By his logic in AHM 11, America should be leading the Decepticons instead:p

Besides, Megatrons stated goals in said issue clashed with what's a plan like his(providing the thugs with bread and circus while antagonising the intellectuals) would actually achieve.

Knightdramon
2013-03-04, 01:43 PM
:lol: there we go again with your hate of AHM and THE HEADSHOT[tm]

By all first hand accounts, Megatron fell to the hands of Optimus Prime. It's not like the other Decepticons were around to see it [too busy fighting on multiple fronts in the city]. And even then, we've had first hand accounts of Megatron himself narrating times Optimus Prime devastated his body in Chaos Theory. Even using other microorganisms or weapons to do it.

See? By just thinking for a few minutes there's two to three reasons why it's not as terrible as you think. Besides, Megatron didn't die, the headshot AND Prime's bashing his skull knocked him offline.

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-04, 01:51 PM
:lol: there we go again with your hate of AHM and THE HEADSHOT[tm]

By all first hand accounts, Megatron fell to the hands of Optimus Prime. It's not like the other Decepticons were around to see it [too busy fighting on multiple fronts in the city]. And even then, we've had first hand accounts of Megatron himself narrating times Optimus Prime devastated his body in Chaos Theory. Even using other microorganisms or weapons to do it.

See? By just thinking for a few minutes there's two to three reasons why it's not as terrible as you think. Besides, Megatron didn't die, the headshot AND Prime's bashing his skull knocked him offline.

Too be honest, I don't really have a problem with the headshot. It's the fact that MCarthy have to use a Cybertronian-tech-reverse-engineered-miniaturized-and-perfected-in-a-year "Magic Gun". If Spike (or preferably, Andy) used a railgun or a HEAT rocket, well, it's elegantly encapsulate how pathetic and petty Megatron became between Chaos Theory and AHM.


Besides, you did not acknowledge my second point:p

Knightdramon
2013-03-04, 02:24 PM
I did not comment on it because I could not figure out what you were trying to say in the way it was phrased :lol:

Summerhayes
2013-03-04, 06:04 PM
Well as usual I left it too late to anything useful to the discussion, but there are two points if like to make.

1) Bunblebee´s "death" was spoiled by the next issue box even if anyone was stupid enough to believe it.

2) Wheeljack died the exact same way as q in DOTM. Deliberate?

inflatable dalek
2013-03-04, 08:59 PM
I honestly never thought for a second Bumblebee got more than a face hug (and thus found Meg's "You wouldn't kill me in this position! But I'm not killing you either. What's my point again?"speech hilarious). I'm not even convinced Wheeljack is dead after all those survived head shots in MTMTE.

Knightdramon
2013-03-04, 09:18 PM
LOL, yes at Bumblebee surviving. Either read the solicitations for the next issues or the next cover.

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-05, 01:58 AM
I did not comment on it because I could not figure out what you were trying to say in the way it was phrased :lol:

*sigh* Let me put it this way.


Megatron said he purged his army of strategy and let them go hog wild was so that the thugs and monsters would rebel against him (so that he can weed them out) while the intellectuals and sane people would side with him. What actually happened, as it would logically would, was that Starscream (Megatron's chosen next-in-line), the Constructicons (primarily architects and technicians), and the Insecticons (whose alleged genius is worth 3000 deformed psychotics) are the ones attacking him for losing direction. all the nutters like Astrotrain (who kills civilians en masse for fun), Skywarp (who trashed China on a petulant ego trip) and Reflector (who doesn't know why he can't kill someone more than once) stuck with him. Soundwave and Thundercracker are the only sane ones on his side, and the former is motivated by capitalism rather than civic pride and the latter stopped him from finishing Optimus once and for all.

Knightdramon
2013-03-05, 11:15 AM
He didn't exactly purge his army of strategy. His strategy won the war [at the time]. It's just that. He won the war, their reason for fighting was over.

RID portrays that idea but from the autobot side. At least Megatron had a plan, unlike Bumblebee, who acted on poor judgement and self-issues and Prowl, who didn't want to be the head of changes, but the manipulator.

Megatron's "intellectuals" over AHM were more or less the kind of bots he rose up against four million years ago. Compare Starscream back then to, say, Senator Ratbat in M:O. Power hungry and in need of more control, even though he already has enough. Such elements in his society would only fuel more conflict later on. The Insecticons? Deranged sadomasochist genius bots? I wouldn't be surprised if Megatron planned on executing them himself later on, they clearly have no place in his utopia.

Granted, most of this ideology comes from later work from James Roberts and John Barber, but it certainly fits and doesn't discredit anything. Except perhaps for Scourge, but Megatron's plan works.

Kungfu Dinobot
2013-03-05, 11:32 AM
I have to had it to you, Knightdramon. You are more courageous and civilised than the internet tough guys on the big boards;)


He didn't exactly purge his army of strategy. His strategy won the war [at the time]. It's just that. He won the war, their reason for fighting was over.

Debatable. Megatron says he won the war, but Omega Supreme's survival, combined the lack Autobot death shown, suggests that the "victory" was largely propagandic exaggeration. LSOTW also shows that the Autobot command infrastructure is largely intact.

Megatron's "intellectuals" over AHM were more or less the kind of bots he rose up against four million years ago. Compare Starscream back then to, say, Senator Ratbat in M:O. Power hungry and in need of more control, even though he already has enough. Such elements in his society would only fuel more conflict later on. The Insecticons? Deranged sadomasochist genius bots? I wouldn't be surprised if Megatron planned on executing them himself later on, they clearly have no place in his utopia.

I have to say, your interpretation makes more sense than what the majority of readers have in mind, but Megatron specifically condemns his army as a bunch of thuggish, conceited monsters (though those descriptions fit Megatron better than the Battlechargers or even Skywarp), suggesting that it's the dumb muscle types he want to get rid of. Besides Starscream (and seemingly, the other power hungry type) are the ones he wants in his New World Order, so antagonising and baiting them seems counter-productive.


Though now that I think about it, maybe, maybe Megatron is baiting them, so that they can kill him and later make his dream come true, since Megatron possibly considers himself too far gone into the psycho abyss. though of course, if someone like Overlord takes over....


Granted, most of this ideology comes from later work from James Roberts and John Barber, but it certainly fits and doesn't discredit anything. Except perhaps for Scourge, but Megatron's plan works.


I *think Eric Holmes and Shane McCarthy have it in mind too, but they never really articulated it...

Paul053
2013-03-06, 06:57 PM
I think the biggest issue I have is Ironhide revealed his vision of everybody died except him. So if IDW still decides to reach this goal, even if Optimus came back with anything with him, we all know they are all gonna die.

Knightdramon
2013-03-06, 07:11 PM
I think that it was set so far off into the future on purpose. Virtually anything can happen, from dark, agonizing, nightmarish deaths to simple lights out from old age or something.

Regardless, Barber slightly retconned it by having Jhiaxus mention a vision as well, and Prowl and co just thinking that Ironhide might be crazy. Anything can happen or be disregarded...

Red Dave Prime
2013-03-11, 11:09 PM
Had a quick re-read of this before packing it up and something occurred to me.

As most people here have said, it seems odd that the other rank and file decepticons would seem so happy to be, effectively, lobotomised to be part of Megatrons plans.

But when I looked at the last splash double page image I couldnt help but wonder who the other cons in the picture where. There's Turmoil, Skywarp, Needlenose, Apeface, Lazerbeak and Buzzsaw. But there's also four very generic looking cons and I wonder if maybe the idea for the decepticon army is a level of high command (Megatron, shockwave etc.), general command (skywarp, needlenose) and then foot soldier - in this case drones. (similar to Megatrons drone army in war within)

If thats the case, you can see why the cons are happy with that. They get the power but dont have to toil as much. Maybe one command con and four drones can become an effective gestalt.

I'm sure some of the more knowing fans here can tell me who the four decepticons are.

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-03-14, 12:29 AM
I think that it was set so far off into the future on purpose. Virtually anything can happen, from dark, agonizing, nightmarish deaths to simple lights out from old age or something.

Regardless, Barber slightly retconned it by having Jhiaxus mention a vision as well, and Prowl and co just thinking that Ironhide might be crazy. Anything can happen or be disregarded...

It could also be an intense dream/nightmare that Ironhide and Jhiaxus have both misinterpreted as a "vision" of the future.

Blackjack
2013-03-19, 03:53 AM
Okay, bit late on the wagon, but I needed to vent a wee bit.

First up... Prowl is mind-controlled... completely bullshit, I say. Out of the key players that have had previous characterisation (Starscream and Bumblebee being the other two) Prowl's character development seems to be the one that progressed in sort of a natural fashion (ignoring some of the dreadful Costa stories). I daresay that Prowl's mysterious masterminding was probably the only sole reason I still read this title.

Then all the Decepticons not being dead... as much as I dislike Barber's gratuitous slaughtering of season one and two Decepticons without even giving them a chance to shine, now they're all suddenly back so they can... stand in the background and say one or two lines, I guess.

And now Barber's salting the earth with the Autobots he developed. Bumblebee, Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Broadside, those guys with Jetfire... poor chaps, if I don't already know that they'll probably be revived in five or six issues down the road, I suppose.

Bumblebee's probably going to return in one of his upcoming toy bodies. Whoo.

All the gestalt posturing is a bit bullshit. So, what, all transformers have the ability to combine, they just have to be activated first? A line or two in the Decepticons' explanation seems to imply that, but then they say in the same breath that Shockwave, Jhiaxus and Bombshell are the ones responsible for the gestalt project.

And for ****'s sake, Devastaprowl looks completely utterly ridiculous. Why can't they bring Scrapper back as well if they're going to wantonly ignore deaths all over the place?

Superion, the Dinobots and Ironhide coming to save the day... yeah, no one saw that coming. [/sarcasm]

Arcee still annoys the hell out of me, and since I don't really mind her when Furman made her a psycho revenge ex thing, and the fact that she annoys me now, well...

And Megatron has a new body. Yay. Whoop de doo. I'm actually slightly surprised they didn't fix the Costa stealth bomber body that's going to get a toy soon.

But bottom line... RID has already been struggling due to two main reasons: killing off characters randomly, as well as a rather odd take on giving characterization. Pacifist conquer-by-politics Starscream is the immediate one that comes to mind, since Bumblebee is technically Costa's fault. Still rather emo all throughout the run.

Barber's probably thinking that he's tied in the various plot threads, but unlike the movie comics where he actually does so with the extant plot threads nobody cares about, here it's just messy and stupid

Bottom line, the series murdered off characters both cartoon and post-cartoon, pretended noting happened for the cartoon guys, trudged on and on about some vague thing, with no issue standing out above the rest, delivering nothing the first issue promised us, had completely flat characters, irritating characters...

Hell, I think the only issue of RID I actually enjoyed reading was the first, and the ones with Optimus Prime. Which says a lot since RID's supposed to be about Bumblebee and Starscream and Metalhawk and shit.

And they literally wiped out Prowl's characterization. The only interesting one out of the bunch.

That's it, after AHM and Costa and now this, I'm over with RID. Hell, even Furman's plodding ReGen-One still fares better than this.

Denyer
2013-03-19, 08:35 PM
Tracked this down. It's pretty awful, isn't it? I mean, childhood-fanfic awful. Megatron can teleport! There's a madness ray! IcanmakeacombinerouttathetoysImanagedtoget!

Prowl's "how could you not see that?" reads a lot like a swipe at the audience. Silly people... it's not crap writing, we can explain everything with mind control.

Terome
2013-03-19, 08:42 PM
Prowl's "how could you not see that?" reads a lot like a swipe at the audience. Silly people... it's not crap writing, we can explain everything with mind control.

I took that to be more of a swipe at Prowl than anybody else. Everybody took his summary executions and cheerful brutality pretty much in their stride. Yep, that's our silly old Prowl. We'd prefer it if he wasn't a lunatic but he's a mate, you know?

Blackjack
2013-03-21, 04:11 AM
To be fair, Megatron's ability to make space bridges actually does solve some ridiculous plot points in Costa's Chaos series -- namely, whyever the hell did Megatron allow himself to be captured voluntarily and be taken to Cybertron, and how the heck did the Decepticons warp all the way to Cybertron.

Wasn't the most elegant of moves, though, since it's ridiculous.

Prowlvastator is ridiculous. The fact that Ironhide, Superion and the Dinoobots hadn't shown up ever since that shoehorned 'Dinobot Month' bullshit is also kind of hanging over our heads for quite some time.

The fact that practically anyone can be turned into a combiner with ENOUGH RAGE (or Bombshell's RAGE COMBINER SHELL GUN thing which isn't made explicit) is also bullshit. Monstructor, Devastator and Menasor are all established to be created by Decepticon scientists in one way or another, this random RAGERAGERAGECOMBINE bullshit is far more ridiculous than anything I've ever seen.