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CounterPunch
2013-03-31, 08:31 PM
Goooood Evening Archiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive.

It's been quite a while, 2 1/2 years in fact since I last graced this here forum.

How is everyone?

Been browsing some of the threads and I see that much of the ole furniture is the same.

Basically, I've been reading the IDWverse (much of it for the first time) and I'm currently up to issue 15 of the old ongoing (mega-guns, Megatron has his new body, Bumblebee is currently on life-support.) I've read all the chronological issues of the 'verse up to that point and was hoping to open up a little dialogue of what we think of it as a whole.

Likes

- Nick Roche.
- Guidi (sometimes.)
- EJ Su (sometimes.)
- The fact that there has been an attempt to broaden the scope and focus of the comics, even if it let itself down (a lot.)*
- I very much enjoyed most of the Spotlight issues.
- Last Stand of the Wreckers was a bit of crazy fun.
- The willingness to kill off characters, a reminder that this is a war.
- Probably more that I can't remember right now, but might crop up eventually.

* I really enjoy the way everything is interlaced, you get calls to other books and things tie in a lot, it works quite well if you decide to sit down, stick everything in a decent enough order and just read through it. Sure there are discrepancies, things that were severely underdeveloped and some that just got dropped, but over all I enjoy the effort that has been put in. Saying that, I've read all these from stealing my brothers collection, I would be incredibly pissed off if I was buying them and found out a story arc I had got invested in was concluded in a different book.

Dislikes

- Don F*
- Inconsistent design**
- Inconsistent characterisation.
- The end (well most) of Devastation.
- All Hail Megatron.
- Josh Burcham's colours (sometimes.)
- The crapshoot of a time frame, every 5 issues it feels like they jump forward a year.

* Seriously, what the hell happened to Don F? The guy was genuinely my favourite of the modern TF artists, but the issues I've read of his on the ongoing have been dreadful. True, most of it is to do with his horrendous decision to give everyone a movie design, but still, fall from grace or what.

** I'm shocked there has been no attempt and standardising designs, there was (for the most part) at first, but that's all just gone out of the window now. Each artist draws each character completely differently, it's definitely fanboyism, any TF fanboy who gets the chance to draw their favourite characters would love to give them a personal redesign, but it's nuts... I've seen about 10 different designs for Hot Rod.

Overall, I think it's been ok so far, and I've heard that there is a jump in quality when you get to RiD and MTMTE.

I'd definitely say my favourite aspects have been those that Roche has worked on, brings a lot of fun to his work, and that Kup spotlight is still great.

If this thread works and gets a general discussion going (altho I know much of it has undoubtedly been covered) I'll update with my thoughts as I continue through.

Denyer
2013-03-31, 09:06 PM
Yeah, you're basically coming to similar reactions people had at the time.

Personally AHM and the ongoing was where I gave up actually collecting the comics, and pared back what I was keeping to the arcs before Devastation plus a few later Roche bits and stray issues. Furman was badly edited, then apparently given four issues to tie everything up in Revelation (and again, there was little quality control.)

Things get better with MTMTE, but don't pay too much attention to RID; the pay-off seems to be as crap as the prior ongoing. Roberts on a TF book is fantastic stuff, but having seen how IDW have handled everything else it's a case of waiting for inevitable bad stuff to happen.

zigzagger
2013-03-31, 09:49 PM
Things get better with MTMTE, but don't pay too much attention to RID; the pay-off seems to be as crap as the prior ongoing. Roberts on a TF book is fantastic stuff, but having seen how IDW have handled everything else it's a case of waiting for inevitable bad stuff to happen.

Pretty much have to echo these sentiments. MTMTE is what brought me back into the fold. It's the only ongoing I'm on board with. Don't forget to check out the Death of Optimus Prime one-shot before diving in.

Also, seeing as you're already partway through Costa's run, an arc of particular interest is coming up. Chaos Theory. Not to be mistaken with the Chaos storyline, which comes afterwards (it's awful, incidentally). That'll be issues #22 and #23. It's lovely. Written by James Roberts, and features some of Alex Milne's best work (it feels weird saying that now). Its "sequel", Shadowplay, is in the pages of MTMTE, so it's definitely worth checking out.

Knightdramon
2013-04-01, 06:53 AM
Hmmm, don't get too excited over transformers dying and staying dead. From the 20 odd deaths, only about 5-6 have stayed dead? :lol:

I echo the sentiment about Don Figueroa. By the time he was drawing the Ongoing issues, I loathed him. Not necessarily because of the designs, but because of his stance towards the franchise. A few months prior to Ongoing 1 he made a big statement that he was tired of transformers and would forever retire to pursue other paths in his career. So, okay, the number one penciler at the point makes a statement he wants to do other stuff. All's cool. Forever over.

Then he's back into transformers with the AHM codas and Ongoing? WTF dude are you trolling us?

Inconsistent characterization is a given, sadly. So far there's been 5 main TF writers with about as many editors, and certain characters have suffered enough from that. Starscream goes from traitorous to loyal to traitorous to loyal to traitorous to unknown so easy it's ridiculous. AHM12 by McCarthy has him saving Megatron and saying he'll win over leadership when he can. AHM13 has him, hours after that, pondering on how to kill Megatron to become the leader.

Then again, the IDW universe is the first that gave us a decent backstory on Cybertron's regime, the rise of Megatron, the corrupt Primes before Optimus and all that. Main characters get their chance to shine and new ones emerge. Thundercracker, Sunstreaker, Rodimus, Chromedome, Prowl, Kup and others are developed nicely and finally stray away from their stereotypical selves.

I've read most of Dreamwave [all their G1 stories and WW], and what we've got so far is miles ahead.

inflatable dalek
2013-04-01, 06:20 PM
Yeah, I suspect they'll be a lot of agreement here.

More Than Meets the Eye is a hugely enjoyable book, not 100% perfect every issue (but then what is?) but bounces about with an energy and enthusiasm and ideas that it pretty much rocks.

RID has the energy, enthusiasm and ideas. But is missing the rocking.

CounterPunch
2013-04-01, 09:04 PM
So, I've now finished the main ongoing (not yet read TDoOP)

Can't be alone in thinking Hearts of Darkness was abysmal right? God awful artwork, horrible writing and just generally ehh, I got an issue and a half in and decided to save time and read the synopsis on tfwiki.

The artwork in this book was truly bad, I'm shocked whoever pencilled managed to con IDW in to hiring them, especially for what was supposed to be a high profile book. It doesn't quite take the prize for the worst art, that goes to the Spike centric issue where everyone had Dragonball hair, but it was bad.

I've always wondered what Transformers would be like if established mainstream comic writers worked on it, and the answer is... Dreadful. I'm not a huge fan of Abnett & Lanning, I've enjoyed some of their work, but I laughed (genuinely) at the stupidity of Galvatron's reference to Mary Celeste as if he had, at any point, had any contact with humans, human history, or folklore.

In terms of the main ongoing, I really enjoyed the 2 issues (I believe) focusing on Prime and Megatron's backstory. It's a relationship I'm happy they've developed, as battling a war for millions of years would undoubtedly lead to a relationship deeper than simply being commanding officers on opposite ends of the war.

The Cybertron arc was a bit of a let down in regards to storytelling, since I thought the whole dead universe stuff was pretty crap in the first place, hated the idea of D-Void, and didn't like the massive monster that formed from all of the Sweeps. The art was lovely though.

I thought the Earth based story was ok, I think it got through on the basis of the characters involved to be honest, enjoyed the team up of Prowl and Streetwise as well as Prowls general investigations. I like how he thinks and moves like a policeman.

Time for TDoOP and then... MTMTE first maybe.

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-01, 10:01 PM
Read Rid and MTMTE side by side. MTMTE is the stronger (by far imo) series but its nice to run them side by side - especially with the annuals following similar themes.

Regarding your other comments, I think I would agree with most, if not all. I really like the chaos art but the story and the d-void is terrible. And although Heart of darkness is terrible, I think the Bumblebee 4-parter is the worst thing IDW put out.

Denyer
2013-04-01, 10:08 PM
Read as a Big Looker story found unpublished and put into a comic, it's not entirely un-enjoyable. Anything that doesn't involve trying to read it in continuity.

CounterPunch
2013-04-03, 06:52 PM
TDoOP and the first 3 issues of each ongoing down.

TDooP - Seriously enjoyed this because of how it subverted my expectation of what would happen based on past TF experience and the title. Delivered on its name in a very different way without feeling like a cop out tactic to get publicity and sales (imo).

MTMTE - Really enjoying this so far and I love the cast of characters. I like the story of Tailpipe, I like Swerves voice, Skids' "I don't know who I am, so I can do what I want" kind of thing is quite cool.

RiD - I like the concept of this book but thus far it isn't hitting the same high notes as MTMTE is in terms of fun. The whole plot is hinging on how far Prowl will go to get a peaceful Autobot rule, and they've got to be careful not to have it stray too far in to the "as if he would ever do that" camp.

Overall though I'd say both books are at the top end in terms of quality of the IDW comics.

I'm also enjoying how they're moving away from all the classic plot traps Transformers seems to fall in to - Earth, Autobots vs Decepticons, Prime dying and Unicron... Seriously guys, 7 years and we haven't had a sniff of Unicron, we should be praising IDW for showing some creativity!

Looking forward to the next few issues, curious about the location of other characters we haven't seen or heard from in a while (or at least since the end of the first ongoing)

EDIT : Fixed titles :P

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-03, 06:58 PM
You've mixed up the series titles there mate :)

inflatable dalek
2013-04-03, 07:03 PM
We've all done it, the titles are a bit generic.

The highlight for me of the Cybertron One is the writing on Starscream.

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-03, 07:10 PM
We've all done it, the titles are a bit generic.


Has it ever been said why they are called what they are or was it simply that "more than Meets the eye" and "Robots in Disguise" were the 80's toys tagline? Because as titles, they really dont seem to have any real link to the stories within.

CounterPunch
2013-04-03, 07:12 PM
Has it ever been said why they are called what they are or was it simply that "more than Meets the eye" and "Robots in Disguise" were the 80's toys tagline? Because as titles, they really dont seem to have any real link to the stories within.

I'd go with "generic catchphrases that are suitable for a comic" tbh, although my initial confusion about the titles was because MTMTE could actually have far more relevance to Prowls secretive dabblings than RiD does.

Auntie Slag
2013-04-03, 08:48 PM
I swear I read somewhere that the writer of MTMTE chose that particular title for a specific reason, not just because it was a well known TF tagline. My money's on Rung being a Knight of Cybertron!

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-03, 09:08 PM
With the chance of there being a spiritual side to the Lost lights quest, the more than meets the eye thing might work out.

Robots in Disguise? Maybe a nod to all the clandestine acts by various characters?

Yep, I'm grasping.

Knightdramon
2013-04-03, 09:34 PM
Roberts said that initially the titles were swapped around, but because some of his characters were complex enough [not spoiling anything], they switched them around to what they are today.

By issue 13 or so, even 14, you'll see what I mean on MTMTE.

Nothing has been hinted or dropped on Unicron so far, but I believe we're getting there. Maybe in the next 2 years, yup.

Terome
2013-04-03, 11:59 PM
Hey, interested to get your perspective on some things. How does Hot Rod read as a character? He's been a big part of the series from Escalation onwards. As far as I can recall he's been pretty consistent.

Apart from the aforementioned Starscream, who sticks out as a characterisation mess?

And here's something I've been thinking about: would it have better, do you reckon, do have killed Shockwave and the Dinobots off proper at the end of their debut? None of them did anything particularly interesting afterwards. That one scene in LSotW, perhaps.

Knightdramon
2013-04-04, 07:57 AM
Sadly my evaluation on Rodimus is the same as Starscream's; a mess because the four people who wrote him each wrote him differently.

There's no signs of growth of adjoining lines between his persona, so far I believe Furman has written him better than the others.

The Hot Rod of Furman was something fresh instead of retreading old steps; a unit commander, high-ranking enough not to be outranked by Prowl, who has a phobia of leading teams around and is suffering guilt due to his mess-up. He's certainly hot headed enough to try to take on the Machination on his own.

Then McCarthy's Hot Rod was a carbon G1 movie, acting much more childlike, definitely not getting the respect he should due to his rank and so on.

Costa bastardized him even further. At first it seemed he was good old Furman Hot Rod, but he flew off alone with the only capable aircraft to go and tackle a Decepticon battalion in order to bring back the matrix, because that's how they'd listen to him. Nevermind the fact that he was about to get into a court-martial right before he fled. After that experience he seemed to grow and mature though, really harking back to Furman's writing.

And then Roberts made him a jerk. It's like he's leading the Lost Light but in reality he's on a quest by himself and doesn't like the company by him, certainly not the responsibility of them.

Shockwave's sadly too robotic of a character for me to care about in this instance [at least before Shadowplay], but due to all the backstory he's received I definitely want him to stick around. The Dinobots are more or less non-entities at the moment; they fared badly in their own series [maximum dinobots], Grimlock is rarely used for something other than a selling point, and the other 4 are so interchangeable in their personalities they might as well be a single character.

I'm only just now reading the Marvel comics [around issue 10], and while I applaud how original and different it is from the G1 cartoon, it saddens me to see that one of my favourite scenes in IDW [Dinobots versus Shockwave] is copied from the old Marvel books. :down:

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-04, 02:14 PM
Rodimus is the only character I dont get in Roberts world. I know Magnus changed a lot but I could see how that happened. Once the war was over, he has nothing to justify himself anymore and his obsessive adherence to rules has come to the fore.

But Rodimus? I dont know what he is. I think he is supposed to be a bit of a pisstake on Kirk - technically a poor commander but bags of charisma to encourage the troops. A heroic Megatron in a way. It doesnt work though because as knightdrammon says, he doesnt seem to care about his troops and doesnt have much charisma to bring them along. AND he's a shit commander. I keep hoping that each new disaster snaps him back to being useful but I reckon the Lost Light would be better without him at the moment.

Auntie Slag
2013-04-04, 04:27 PM
I dunno, he cared rather a lot about Red. At first it appeared that he was mortified that anyone would consider suicide under his watch, but following that he seemed genuinely concerned, baulked by Magnus & Drifts' seeming lack of sympathy and even made a promise to the catatonic Red.

He's also very good at keeping Magnus going, giving him good advice.

And he knows how to work a crowd, so he's a good showman and motivator.

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-04, 08:23 PM
Fair points. I think I find him inconsistent though. speech to rally people to join the lost light, rambling sillyness when presenting medals or autobot icons.

I just think that given that he's the leader he shouldnt be used for so much comic relief. The rodimus star thing is very funny but its something that might sit better for an over-enthusiastic second in command rather than the head guy. Might just be me in this case but so far he's my least liked crew member.

I once again find myself agreeing with Kinghtdramon - Furman had a good angle on the guy. The ego thing with costa was interesting but bearing in mind that he got screwed by swindle because he believed his own hype you would think he would have learned from that but the way he appears to be written by Roberts makes me think that this isnt the case.

A spotlight:rodimus following a day in the life could be interesting.

Auntie Slag
2013-04-04, 08:46 PM
Rodimus is goofy, but he's shown moxie where it counts re: dispatching the Sparkeater, putting Magnus in his place "While you're on this ship you answer to me, not the other way round", making a silk purse out of a sows ear (directly after the Lost Light quad-jumped and blew a hole in the hull), and telling Overlord to shut up (I loved the gutsiness & pointlessness of that).

I think he appears rather light as a character because he hasn't been a main focus yet. The book has been about so many other people so far; Chromedome in particular, other standouts being Pax, Whirl and Ratchet. At what other point in TF stories has the focus not been on the leader? With G1/2 it was always Prime (I know we had some Dinobot-centric stories and Survivors, but it always came back to him). Beast Wars about 80% Primal, the live action movies are (thankfully) pretty much Prime. Not that I've seen it but I'd imagine Prime is mostly Prime too.

Rodimus has been backseat for most of MTMTE (the most we've seen him is probably the Annual).

I've never been a Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime fan, he was always dull and rather one-dimensional. But now I think he's rather great, and will be better still when he becomes more central to the story. I like it because they've taken someone rather dull, and there's bucketloads of potential just waiting to take centre stage.

I'm not a Rodimus whore, by the way. But the character now has interesting layers.

Whirl for the win, of course :smokin:

Denyer
2013-04-04, 09:16 PM
And here's something I've been thinking about: would it have better, do you reckon, do have killed Shockwave and the Dinobots off proper at the end of their debut? None of them did anything particularly interesting afterwards. That one scene in LSotW, perhaps.
I'm against killing characters off completely for the simple reason other authors might do something interesting with them; although there're always flashbacks, I suppose.

Speaking of which, Shockers has been very interesting.

Terome
2013-04-05, 12:30 AM
I'm against killing characters off completely for the simple reason other authors might do something interesting with them; although there're always flashbacks, I suppose.

Speaking of which, Shockers has been very interesting.

Nightbeat has been used well as a dead guy. Nothing has undermined his summary execution but he's had some nice facetime. With this most recent run of Spotlights, Barber has shown that he's not afraid to stripmine the timeline for adventures. That's a good thing and a bad thing, but among the goodness is the ability for a dead character to stay that way.

I would be quite keen on a Transformers iteration that mooted death as a concept right from the beginning. The Marvel comics flirted with that direction with Gears getting smashed up and those damn crystals but veered away from it before too long. Fully backed-up and deathless characters could result in some crazy action scenes and glorious carnage.

Was it a TMUK story that once laid out the fundamentals of a Transformer skirmish as 'last one standing gets to repair his team mates and win?' That's a depressing mode of warfare in any weather, especially considering how similar Transformer psychology is to ours.

Denyer
2013-04-05, 07:05 PM
Doesn't ring a bell, but I endorse all of that.

inflatable dalek
2013-04-05, 09:36 PM
I'd go with "generic catchphrases that are suitable for a comic" tbh, although my initial confusion about the titles was because MTMTE could actually have far more relevance to Prowls secretive dabblings than RiD does.

I'd agree with this. I honestly don't buy the idea the titles have any special meanings, because they both mean the same thing. A robot in disguise... is more than meets the eye. If the two titles were switched, it would make no difference whatsoever.

It's just annoying for no reason as not only are both titles needlessly cumbersome (especially MTMTE... hence the use of acronyms) but they both have prior associations with prior versions of the franchise. Did they really need to name both comics after a previous cartoon and a less than ten years old Dreamwave comic respectively?

A far better, and more appropriate, title for MTMTE would have been Transformers: Lost Light. RID could have been... well that's a bit harder. Transformers: Peace? Transformers: Prowl's a Twat... OR IS HE?!?!?!?!?!?.

I'd buy that last book.

CounterPunch
2013-04-13, 11:42 PM
I stayed away from this through fear that I might run in to spoilers of stuff I havent read yet, but issue 14 of MTMTE is next on my list, and issue of 11 for RiD..

MTMTE - Wow, I am so in love with this book, I just think it's fantastic. Roberts is doing wonderful things with the characters he is using, he's shining a spotlight on a number of characters who would normally be scene fillers at best and he is providing them with their own characteristics and personalities. I think the way he has used Swerve is brilliant, but I think Tailgate might be my favourite, the end of Shadowplay where he realised Pax was Prime was great.

Also, when did Alex Milne become such a great artist? Really goes to show how much the whip was cracked at DW to fit Pat Lee's "style".

RiD - While I still enjoy reading this book, when read concurrently with MTMTE it is a bit of a slog. I praise them trying to make what really is a bit of a political drama/thriller out of a book, but I just don't find it all that interesting in its execution. Technically it is a decent book but it lacks the fun and adventurousness of MTMTE.

Red Dave Prime
2013-04-14, 12:28 AM
issue of 11 for RiD

political drama/thriller

Very curious how your reading of issues 12-16 of RiD feel. Things a turn which puts the whole tone of the book in question.

Knightdramon
2013-04-14, 07:53 AM
I don't know, the biggest fun I'm having with RID is how it just connects and fixes all the continuity issues in the franchise so far.

And once you get to issue 12-15, a big revelation occurs that puts everything in perspective. I just re-read the annual a couple of days ago, and some dialogue made a lot more sense now than it ever did.

Denyer
2013-04-14, 11:24 AM
Also, when did Alex Milne become such a great artist? Really goes to show how much the whip was cracked at DW to fit Pat Lee's "style".
Yeah, he's a good mimic (appropriately on a book called Transformers) who these days can do a more balanced Roche than Roche does, but some of it almost certainly has to be the time gap and more experience. Unless he was reallyreallyreally taking the piss drawing panels for issues that had Pat Lee's name on as artist.

CounterPunch
2014-01-21, 01:23 PM
OK, 8 months after my last post and I am NEARLY caught up, I'm currently reading the Dark Cybertron preludes of each title.

MTMTE - This book... Genuinely, I think it may be one of the most entertaining comics I read, it's maintained brilliant dialogue, great action, an awesome cast, great plot points, truly emotional moments. Roberts really is a great talent and I'd be very surprised if he wasn't snapped up by one of the big two in the future.

RiD - Feeling very "meh" about this book, the artwork and writing don't meet the quality of MTMTE by a long shot. It reads like a fanfic tbh. Thinking Prowl had turned but being controlled all along by Bombshell, becoming the head of Devastator, Sky-Byte (or however you spell it), Bumblebee being rebuilt, Rattrap and Waspinator. I've also not been a fan of the Optimus story or the Shockwave story all that much unfortunately, just hasn't really been interesting, so I am concerned at the fact that Dark Cybertron will be focusing on it.

Also very curious about the direction the books will be going in April.

Cyberstrike nTo
2014-01-21, 06:47 PM
On the universe itself I think it's boring. The Transformers are about the WAR between the Autobots and the Dcepticons the post-post war stuff seems to be going nowhere. It's been tried for what for 5 years and it's time to restart the war.

MTMTE can be at times a very great series but at other times I find it downright boring and the same with RID (hell the Prequel to Dark Cybertron arc is the most BORING TF story I've ever read or saw).

Overall I'm constantly wanting to something.. anything to happen! I generally dislike Earth TF based stories that run longer than 12 issues but I'm hoping that the return to Earth creates something exciting and bring some much needed action and excitement back to the comics.

Knightdramon
2014-01-21, 08:27 PM
On the universe itself I think it's boring. The Transformers are about the WAR between the Autobots and the Dcepticons the post-post war stuff seems to be going nowhere. It's been tried for what for 5 years and it's time to restart the war.


Even though, in-story, the war took a hiatus during the first half of Ongoing, it officially ended right around the time of MTMTE1-RID1. So it's like 2 years...and in my opinion we've had some of the best stories of the franchise in those 2 post-war years ;)


In my opinion, being off-Earth is a great thing. You guys notice that on average, there's 3-4 Earth bound stories, and each time we just get these stories in random order?

Story 1 is the cast arriving to Earth, hiding, going by their own way without being noticed, and continuing their war.

Story 2 is of course, story 1 with a human or 3 thrown in, and how these humans are just "oh my god wooooow you've been here the whole time and can we speak to your leader oh wow he's a truck".

Story 3 is a group of humans trying to capture and gut a transformer for their own reasons and either create a personal army or a militarized nation.

Story 4 is usually the villains succeeding in devastating a city/area/small town, the world uniting against them while the Autobots collect themselves, and a big offensive in which the Autobots of course win but the humans are mistrustful of them.

I mean, there's only so many ways you can do the same story over and over on Earth before you're just shuffling the players and the order of the events.

Heck, in the last 3 iterations [Animated, Movies and Prime] 3 of the main cast Autobots are the same characters [Prime, Ratchet, Bee]!

CounterPunch
2014-01-21, 10:01 PM
I mean, there's only so many ways you can do the same story over and over on Earth before you're just shuffling the players and the order of the events.

This is what has made MTMTE so entertaining for me (still pre-Dark Cybertron). It's an adventure yarn, a road trip... Hell, a school trip, you've got the outsiders, the geeks, the nerds, the ones who like to get rough to make themselves look cool, the one who tries to be everyones friend.

It's been an adventure with no real end goal in sight, a "the evil Decepticons are invading Earth and plan to conquer it" story which has constantly been retold has a very obvious ending, something like MTMTE has the hope of an end goal (find the Knights of Cybertron) but it's been the basis for a story which could lead anywhere, and so far has.

CounterPunch
2014-01-23, 04:44 PM
Rattrap's dialogue has got to rank amongst the worst I've ever read. It's so painful reading it that I genuinely think I might be brought to tears.

On chapter 4 of the crossover thus far and man, it really has been a complete bore. The only highlight thus far was Brainstorm finishing Perceptor's sentences and claiming they were simpatico.

Auntie Slag
2014-02-15, 05:46 PM
This is most likely an inane question, but is Springer back on-line? The last reference to his state that I can find is in the text story 'Zero Point' (from the LSotW hardcover). Is that really the last that's been said of him?

inflatable dalek
2014-02-15, 06:23 PM
Zero Point is indeed the last we've seen of Springer, though the ending suggests a recovery was likely. Roberts has actually been pretty restrained in not throwing Springer and Impactor into present day MTMTE considering it would be a obvious LSOTW fan pleasing move hasn't he?

Mind, if Springer's new toy had been released a year later his inclusion in Dark Cybertron would have been inevitable.

Knightdramon
2014-02-15, 08:12 PM
Springer wouldn't add anything Fortress Maximus hasn't already.

If anything, it could be more or less exactly the same story.
Nearly killed by Overlord, recuperated, has angst about the mission and his subsequent abandonment from Autobot high command.

Impactor could be interesting, especially for S2. They [appear to] have Megatron on board, Whirl appears to be on board, Perceptor [one of the very, very few survivors of Garrus 9] is on board...now there you could do something.

Terome
2014-02-15, 09:39 PM
I can't think of anything interesting for Springer or Impactor to do but then it's not my job to think of such things. Impactor & Guzzle as a crimefighting team works a bit better unseen than it would on the page, I think.