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Springer85
2013-05-21, 07:38 PM
Found it here: https://www.facebook.com/mach5toys

Looks like a LSotW version of Ironfist is in the works! I hope it won't cost too much :)

Cliffjumper
2013-05-21, 07:55 PM
I hope it won't cost too much :)

It's a third party toy.

Springer85
2013-05-21, 08:35 PM
I know, but I can hope, can't I? :o

If it's around $50,- I might pick it up.

Denyer
2013-05-21, 09:37 PM
Still toying with the idea of that "Bovis" Tantrum homage... it's like a cross between Zoids, Transformers and Khorne worship.

http://wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Bullprototype-alternate.jpg
http://wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Bull-mastermindcreationsprototype.jpg

Springer85
2013-05-21, 10:56 PM
Yeah, those are great too! I love the headsculpt on that Tantrum's robot mode. Plus the daggers he's holding make him look really cool :D

I would love to buy one, but I know that if I do, I just got to have the others too. It's why I haven't bought any of the Fans Project Menasor figures either. :(

Blackjack
2013-05-23, 11:49 AM
Ironfist's alternate mode's a bit too chunky for my taste, but then he's always been chunky in the comics...

I am sorely tempted, despite my massive dislike of third-party products.

I also quite like how that Tantrum looks -- they took an extremely blocky design and turned it awesome. Don't care enough about the G1 Predacons to spend a lot on them, but Ironfist...

Denyer
2013-05-23, 06:48 PM
Not too fussed about the Divebomb design that's been previewed, the rhino will be similar... and whilst I liked the cats as a kid it'd have to be a really good design update to spring for. Never particularly saw the appeal of Predaking, Abominus or Piranacon.

Not really very interested in Tantrum either, it's just a really cool design that also overlaps with some non-TF interests and I'll have talked myself into ordering within a few more days.

Ironfist comes off as very chibi in that preview image.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=474886392589330&set=a.396003577144279.92994.395588297185807&type=1&relevant_count=1

On the other hand, the size of the ball joints suggests it won't be a large figure -- I could go for one if the price was right and QC is in place.

Springer85
2013-05-23, 07:11 PM
It says in the comments on that picture that it'll be between Scout and Deluxe class. :)

Denyer
2013-05-23, 10:24 PM
Any ideas on a release date for Gauntlet?

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/635101-mmc-feral-rex-mega-thread.html

Definitely not as grabbed by the other Feral Rex member designs, although getting a sabretooth remould out of the Rampage homage as Catilla is an interesting touch.

Only thing that worries me is that the Bovis robot mode shoulder joint doesn't look very thick. And TBH the mould will probably look better in gray than colour... magnificent hell-beast when all of the detail's highlighted.

edit:

The Arcee isn't bad either, for people who like the IDW take...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.507819362612786.1073741825.134216339973092&type=1

edit:

Apparently we have the official image to thank for the chibi-ness...

http://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Ironfist-idwart.jpg

Springer85
2013-05-23, 11:07 PM
edit:

The Arcee isn't bad either, for people who like the IDW take...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.507819362612786.1073741825.134216339973092&type=1

Oh wow! :eek: That looks fantastic! :)

edit:

Apparently we have the official image to thank for the chibi-ness...

http://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Ironfist-idwart.jpg

At least it will be LSotW accurate. Makes me want him even more :D
Hope he'll have that bullet hole in his head too :)

EDIT:

Also a version of Crackcase is in the works! :)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=475639705847332&set=a.396003577144279.92994.395588297185807&type=1&theater

Blackjack
2013-05-24, 04:07 PM
Damn, them third-party bastards are getting better and better...

Ironfist is sorely tempting. Sorely. Shame that he's probably going to be damn expensive. That Crankcase looks quite funky as well... but knowing Hasbro it'll probably be some time until they make an Ironfist of their own. Probably a year or two, but they'll make Ironfist.

I am probably in the minority when I said I liked IDW's psychobitch Arcee design, if not her character. It's a nice-looking toy, but it's one I won't be sorry to pass on.

Warcry
2013-05-24, 04:12 PM
Ironfist doesn't do much for me, but this...

Still toying with the idea of that "Bovis" Tantrum homage... it's like a cross between Zoids, Transformers and Khorne worship.

http://wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Bullprototype-alternate.jpg
http://wikialpha.org/wiki/File:Bull-mastermindcreationsprototype.jpg
How did they make Tantrum look awesome? He's usually the most boring of the Predacons, but this time around he's the cool one and the others look pretty mediocre. It's a shame he's probably not going to look half as good in the traditional Predacon scheme, because the Predacons are some of the ugliest figures to come out of G1. Maybe he'll get recoloured into something a bit less gaudy?

Springer85
2013-05-24, 04:32 PM
More Third Party news:

From the Facebook page of Robotkingdom an image of an upcoming product by X2toys named Shaft. Going by the silhouette and the comments to that photo, it looks like Fortress Maximus' Cog. :)

Product:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=603885012963551&set=a.603884986296887.1073741976.168147899870600&type=3&theater

Cog:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=bg2xw7&s=5

Warcry
2013-05-24, 04:45 PM
...

Why?

I mean Cog is neat and all, but who actually cares about Cog enough to pay third-party prices?

Blackjack
2013-05-24, 04:56 PM
I mean Cog is neat and all, but who actually cares about Cog enough to pay third-party prices?

I have the same reaction as Warcry. I mean, Cog isn't like Optimus or Starscream or Soundwave that people will pay third-party prices, neither is he a combiner or some popular comic character like Springer or Ironfist...

Unless there's a third party Fortress Maximus attached to the Cog, of course....

Springer85
2013-05-24, 04:56 PM
Maybe because they can? :p

But I'm thinking that they're trying to make use of the Encore edition of Fortress coming out and perhaps give him some updated weapons/tools/stuff to go with him? That's my best guess anyway.

Blackjack
2013-05-24, 05:00 PM
Mmm, a 'Fortress Maximus' upgrade kit sounds in line of what they'd do, and an upgraded Cog... or rather, Gasket and Grommet, would be the first things they'd do.

And, well, probably bigger guns. Guns are good.

Blackjack
2013-05-25, 02:32 PM
I'm moving this to News if no one objects. :)

Springer85
2013-05-25, 02:51 PM
According to this message, Ironfist and Crackcase will come in a two-pack.

https://www.facebook.com/mach5toys/posts/475961755815127

That makes me a bit unhappy, but perhaps if I get them, I'll sell my Crankcase.

Denyer
2013-05-25, 03:09 PM
Shooting themselves in the foot if they think many people will want two very similar figures at third party prices.

inflatable dalek
2013-05-25, 03:11 PM
I guess Cog is being done on the assumption that the Fort Max reissue is expensive (especially if you have to ship overseas) so anyone who brought it is likely to be enough of a mad fan of the character to be interested in supped up versions of his little pal?

Blackjack
2013-05-25, 03:24 PM
Shooting themselves in the foot if they think many people will want two very similar figures at third party prices.

'Course, who'd buy a third-party Crankcase? I mean, really? I like the guy, and the Scavengers issue made me like him more, but I'm never ever going to pay third-party prices for him.

Whereas anyone who's a fan of Ironfist probably has read Roberts' other work, and wouldn't mind Crankcase tagging along. That's the only logic I can think of.

Regardless, whatever fleeting chance of me buying him has just disappeared. I've got nothing but love for Crankcase, but I don't need a third-party priced toy of him.

Springer85
2013-05-25, 03:25 PM
Shooting themselves in the foot if they think many people will want two very similar figures at third party prices.

That's what I think too. The Ironfist figure looks cool, but not enough to make me buy an extra figure that I don't want in the first place.

Denyer
2013-05-25, 09:06 PM
According to latest comments, they'll be doing the figures individually.

Springer85
2013-05-26, 07:03 PM
I'm glad. That makes me onboard for the figure again. :)

New pic:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=476532972424672&set=a.396003577144279.92994.395588297185807&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

edit:

More news!

Unique Toys War Lord - UT-W03 War Bison Sample Photos Update:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.605193766166009.1073741981.168147899870600&type=1

Doesn't look that great in color, to be honest. I hope the one that Mastermind creations makes is going to look a little better.



SXS-F01A MP-10 Upgrade Kit:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.605220149496704.1073741982.168147899870600&type=1

A jetpack and some other parts for your masterpice Optimus Prime. :)



KFC CST-03/04 B-Box & BirdBomber:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.605244766160909.1073741983.168147899870600&type=1

Beastbox and Squawktalk pre-order is up! I think it's for the Soundwave Masterpiece, altough I couldn't tell from their FB page or website.

Denyer
2013-05-28, 07:41 PM
Unique Toys War Lord - UT-W03 War Bison Sample Photos Update:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.605193766166009.1073741981.168147899870600&type=1

Doesn't look that great in color, to be honest. I hope the one that Mastermind creations makes is going to look a little better.
Yeah, it's more faithful to the original... but the original was a brick.

Seem to recall reviews of the "Divebomb" that indicated some QC issues as well.

Is it just the two companies doing designs analogous to the Predacons?

edit: Previous review seen... http://tformers.com/transformers-video-review-war-hawk-unique/19646/news.html

Springer85
2013-05-29, 12:18 PM
I think that it's only these 2 companies that are doing the Preds, yeah. I haven't seen any others so far. Though I'll keep an eye out for it :)

In other news: here's a video review for Mastermind Creations TERMINUS HEXATRON - Super Nova Limited Edition. (Third party Sixshot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hovYGZwm8HY

Springer85
2013-05-29, 08:27 PM
More news!

Preorders for M5-01 Gauntlet (Ironfist) & M5-02 Piston (Crackcase) are up at BBTS!
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=third+mach

I'm still waiting to see some shots of the finished product with, if possible, some original TF's for a size comparison.

Heinrad
2013-05-29, 11:55 PM
Think I'm going to get this one. Looks like BBTS is selling them separately.

Springer85
2013-05-30, 06:22 PM
Yeah, the $50,- make it just the right price for me since I'm I'll also be down $22,- for shipping alone. :(

Denyer
2013-05-30, 07:14 PM
Andy from Kapow Toys is aiming to have pre-orders up around the end of the week for UK/European folks, fingers crossed.

Springer85
2013-05-30, 10:18 PM
That's good news! That will save me a lot in shipping :)

Clay
2013-06-01, 12:59 AM
Wings of Uranos supplement set (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/tfc-toys-wing-of-uranos-upgrade-set-177610/). Face plate, arm mounted cannon, chest plate, etc.

Love the look, but it should've been included with the existing releases.

Clay
2013-06-01, 01:03 AM
Mastermind Creation's Leo Dux (not-Razorclaw) in color. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533119466749442&set=a.135284689866257.22097.134216339973092&type=1)

Springer85
2013-07-11, 03:58 PM
Looks like a third party Overlord is in the works :)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.626359384049447.1073742097.168147899870600&type=1

The tank looks a bit weird...

numbat
2013-07-12, 04:52 PM
Looks really awesome, but, yeah, tank mode's odd - still better than G1 version. To be honest, I really really want to see HasTak revisit overlord properly...

Denyer
2013-07-13, 05:57 PM
Never noticed these Fansproject ones last year, third party Brainstorm homage... the blockiness works for him, whereas it feels weird seeing the same approach to Chromedome after MTMTE.

http://tfsource.com/fansproject/function-x3-smart-robin/
http://tfsource.com/fansproject/function-x2-quadrupleu/
http://tfsource.com/fansproject/function-x1-code/

Blackjack
2013-07-13, 06:17 PM
Hmmm, that Not-Overlord... is that aircraft carrier mode also one of his transformation? Would kind of make the tank mode forgiveable if so. It looks pretty good. Not good enough for me to buy with the expected ludicrous price, but one that looks pretty damn good nonetheless.

Not-Brainstorm and Not-Weirdwolf really look pretty nice. Very, very refreshing to see Weirdwolf not look like a brick.

Agree with Denyer that after MTMTE seeing a traditional bricky Chromedome is... different.

FortressMaximus
2013-07-14, 03:27 AM
Here is the latest on the BTS Nova Lord project:
http://tformers.com/transformers-new-bts-nova-lord-robot/20629/news.html

http://tformers.com/transformers-bts-nova-lord-project-not/19416/news.html

http://tformers.com/transformers-bts-nova-lord-reveals-big/19364/news.html

Springer85
2013-07-14, 04:31 PM
Some new photo's via Robotkingdom. Looks to me like a 3rd party Defensor is in the works because the guy on the first pic looks an awful lot like Streetwise! :D (He's in robotform in some later pics too)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=628014543883931&set=a.628014117217307.1073742106.168147899870600&type=1&theater

Summerhayes
2013-07-15, 04:30 PM
Looks like a third party Overlord is in the works :)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.626359384049447.1073742097.168147899870600&type=1

The tank looks a bit weird...

Robot mode looks nice though. That's one of the few third party toys I would consider. And no doubt one of the priciest. . .

Clay
2013-08-16, 01:05 AM
Nifty Bruticus. LOOK AT IT. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/new-third-party-bruticus-in-the-works-178223/)

The size comparison to the Fansproject toy would mean the combined mode is about 14 to 16 inches tall; about the same size as Hercules or Armada Unicron.

Denyer
2013-09-08, 04:11 PM
Hopefully this is the final... shiny...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.661476173864278.1073742173.586853757993187&type=1

http://i.imgur.com/loZmK7w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/loZmK7w.jpg

edit: Also pics of not-Headstrong with not-Tantrum at the below link...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.650860528259176.1073742086.586853757993187&type=3

http://i.imgur.com/Iab1bia.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Iab1bia.jpg

Denyer
2013-09-08, 04:15 PM
The MMC Nova Prime is coming along nicely as well (render)...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.655826004429295.1073742131.586853757993187&type=3

http://i.imgur.com/l0PnW2e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l0PnW2e.jpg

Denyer
2013-09-08, 04:18 PM
third party Fortress Maximus attached to the Cog, of course....

PerfectEffect are doing one;

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=669097149768847&set=pb.586853757993187.-2207520000.1378656967.&type=3&theater

http://i.imgur.com/6XjqZqn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6XjqZqn.jpg

Inaction Master
2013-09-08, 05:17 PM
PerfectEffect are doing one;

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=669097149768847&set=pb.586853757993187.-2207520000.1378656967.&type=3&theater

http://i.imgur.com/6XjqZqn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6XjqZqn.jpg
Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme GIMME!

Rack 'n Ruin
2013-09-08, 05:53 PM
Looks like a disturbing lack of shin guns. :(

inflatable dalek
2013-09-08, 06:21 PM
That's what I thought, they're really going to need to add those (I wonder how long before we get third party leg guns for Trailbreaker as well?).

Warcry
2013-09-08, 08:36 PM
Looks like a disturbing lack of shin guns. :(
First thing I thought upon seeing it as well. A sad omission, considering that's an otherwise spot-on reproduction of the ugly-but-somehow-still-popular IDW Maximus design.

Clay
2013-09-16, 04:28 PM
Diesel, the Fansproject not-Motormaster (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10038&mode=retail), finally up for preorder, yay.

numbat
2013-09-16, 05:04 PM
Diesel, the Fansproject not-Motormaster (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10038&mode=retail), finally up for preorder, yay.
That looks totally awesome! What size are these guys, and are the others good? The Stunticons were always my fave combiner... I'm am extremely tempted but want to be sure they're worth it (will cost me about 260 GBP for all five shipped to UK as far as I gather, so a substantial investment).

Denyer
2013-09-16, 08:47 PM
FoC-style "Swoop":

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.676009435744285.1073742214.586853757993187&type=1

Inaction Master
2013-09-16, 09:56 PM
FoC-style "Swoop":

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.676009435744285.1073742214.586853757993187&type=1
Oh that looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see what work they'll have done for the other three Dinos.

Notabot
2013-09-16, 10:57 PM
Way too green for my taste.

Wait, what?

Clay
2013-09-17, 01:59 AM
That looks totally awesome! What size are these guys, and are the others good? The Stunticons were always my fave combiner... I'm am extremely tempted but want to be sure they're worth it (will cost me about 260 GBP for all five shipped to UK as far as I gather, so a substantial investment).

I've got the four cars that have been released so far, and they're quite wonderful. They're a bit in between scout and deluxe size... probably erring closer to deluxe as those continue to shrink. Will take some comparison photos with other stuff if you'd like. :)

Lots of info and pictures in the TFW thread, largely grouped into the first post. (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/635944-fansproject-intimidator-not-menasor-megathread.html)

numbat
2013-09-17, 11:08 AM
I've got the four cars that have been released so far, and they're quite wonderful. They're a bit in between scout and deluxe size... probably erring closer to deluxe as those continue to shrink. Will take some comparison photos with other stuff if you'd like. :)[/URL]
That would be really helpful if you could. They do look very nice, but not many folk seem to have comparisons with mainstream figures I have. The Classics Seeker mould would be a good one.

:)

Knightdramon
2013-09-17, 11:38 AM
The new motormaster looks great, especially in truck mode. Not sure, however, how much I'd be willing to commit to them as a team. They do appear nice and angular, and it will inevitably lead into a downward spiral in which I'll also have to get Giant and maybe Colossus.

Clay
2013-09-18, 01:54 AM
That would be really helpful if you could. They do look very nice, but not many folk seem to have comparisons with mainstream figures I have. The Classics Seeker mould would be a good one.

:)

Here ya go

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20130917_194611.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20130917_194611.jpg.html)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20130917_194716.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20130917_194716.jpg.html)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20130917_201016.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20130917_201016.jpg.html)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20130917_201322.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20130917_201322.jpg.html)

Knightdramon
2013-09-18, 09:26 AM
Stop enabling me dude!

Dead End in car mode looks much nicer in your pics than in his official pics. :p

numbat
2013-09-18, 11:28 AM
Thanks Clay! Good choice of Seeker too. So is that about shoulder height to Skywarp? Not as small as I thought! The Gestalt will be pretty sizeable in that case...

:)

They really look very very very nice... Oh buggery, I'm so close to clicking order on these guys and Terminus Hexatron, but that's quite a bit of dosh... Why have two awesome but expensive third party items come out at the same time, after years of bugger all of interest?

Knightdramon
2013-09-18, 12:12 PM
Size of Menasor is around 11.5 inches, which for us Europeans is a tad short of 30 centimetres tall. He's bigger than Bruticus with the crossfire sets.

numbat
2013-09-18, 12:21 PM
I have no idea how big any other third party combiners are, but 11.5" is certainly a decent size! An inch over recent Leader Class figures.

Clay
2013-09-19, 06:17 AM
I have no idea how big any other third party combiners are, but 11.5" is certainly a decent size! An inch over recent Leader Class figures.

Think shorter than FOC Bruticus, but far thicker and heavier.

Knightdramon
2013-09-20, 02:40 PM
Re-watching video reviews of them. One way or another, I'll probably go after them. They look right up my alley in regards to engineering.

Denyer
2013-09-23, 05:51 PM
Apparently the PE "Fortress Maximus" will still have the tank treads, but what it turns into is... Fort Max's head... plus a weird tank thing that carries a Max-sized cannon...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.470567053029036.1073741832.407873945965014&type=1

http://i.imgur.com/Xv6uEjO.jpg / http://i.imgur.com/Ss76uAz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Xv6uEjO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ss76uAz.jpg

There's also another third party head for Bludgeon coming out by them, plus one for Overlord...

https://www.facebook.com/perfecteffect.pe/media_set?set=a.420268644718808.102722.100002070291419&type=3

Happy with the Blood one, personally.

inflatable dalek
2013-09-23, 07:17 PM
Whoa, that's probably the silliest idea in the whole of humanity.

Blackjack
2013-09-24, 04:08 PM
Wait, what?

That is so random and out of the left field I can't take it seriously.

Springer85
2013-09-29, 02:42 PM
I actually quite like him :o

Clay
2013-10-01, 12:16 AM
@Denyer, Not-Overkill and not-Slugfest (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=KFC10016&mode=retail)

Denyer
2013-10-01, 06:41 PM
Cheers for the pointer. Don't think they're better than the originals, personally, but it's nice to see that someone's trying -- not very enamoured of the Ramhorn and Steeljaw moulds that KFC have done, either.

Denyer
2013-10-01, 06:44 PM
Feral Rex pics for anyone who's all-in on the MMC not-Predacons... personally it's Bovis I really liked the look of...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.593445130716875.1073741836.134216339973092&type=1

http://i.imgur.com/Up7JVTV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Up7JVTV.jpg

Springer85
2013-10-01, 10:49 PM
Is it just me or does the head look a bit small on not-Predaking?

Clay
2013-10-01, 11:10 PM
Is it just me or does the head look a bit small on not-Predaking?

A little bit... I'd wager it's because it's incorporated into Razorclaw's body instead of being a separate piece like the original.

Although it does lead to the tangent thought that Transformers, empirically speaking, have tiny heads considering most of them are humanoid in shape.

Knightdramon
2013-10-22, 11:30 AM
This may actually give me the little push I need and purchase at least a few FOC Combaticons
3rd party FOC Onslaught (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/960650-foc-bruticus-new-upgrade.html)

numbat
2013-10-22, 01:02 PM
This may actually give me the little push I need and purchase at least a few FOC Combaticons
3rd party FOC Onslaught (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/960650-foc-bruticus-new-upgrade.html)
Don't understand the fuss about this - perfectly happy with the original retail release personally. See little benefit with this 3rd party thing. Incredibly underwhelming.

Knightdramon
2013-10-22, 02:03 PM
I haven't touched the originals; never got them, but by all first-hand accounts and photogalleries, Onslaught/Impactor is an atrocious figure.

Coupled with the fact that this is a sci-fi looking cybertronian-vehicles and whatnot gestalt [lots of ticks there for lots of fans], I can see why this is such a fuss. And that Onslaught does do justice to the cgi model.

Warcry
2013-10-22, 03:43 PM
All the FoC Combaticons are pretty bad, by all accounts.

Not entirely sure that stocky thing is better than the official Onslaught. The combined mode is nicer but it looks worse in robot mode so at best I'd call it a wash. Personally I don't see the point in upgrade kits for a toy that most fans don't actually seem to like, especially when Fansproject's Bruticus is still so popular and it's only a matter of time before somebody makes a G1-styled Bruticus from scratch. I guess some folks who really like the FoC style will buy it, but that sounds like a really small niche market even compared to most third-party stuff.

Knightdramon
2013-10-22, 05:19 PM
it's only a matter of time before somebody makes a G1-styled Bruticus from scratch.

There's already one coming. Realistic-type, based on G1. Appears to be huge as well. Can't seem to locate the thread on tfw2005 right now.

There's another add-on kit for FOC Bruticus up for preorder at BBTS which seemed to be very popular with the fandom interested in it; I suppose the same people interested in an add-on kit for their Bruticus would be interested in a brand new core figure, which is what people were asking for ever since release.

Denyer
2013-10-22, 07:00 PM
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/new-third-party-bruticus-in-the-works-178223/

http://i.imgur.com/fbxPUuK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fbxPUuK.jpg

Skyquake87
2013-10-22, 08:59 PM
not Bruticus' head is too small. Or his hands are too big.

Those things look like they're going to be massive. Nice alt modes, robot modes are pretty good, although the limb-bots suffer from odd proportions and i'm not sure about the wispy hands they all have.

Denyer
2013-10-22, 09:12 PM
Might be in for Brawl, personally. All of the limbs look decent enough -- Onslaught less so.

numbat
2013-10-22, 09:28 PM
Maybe it's just because I haven't seen or played the computer game (yeah - I'm a UK 80s kid), but I just don't see the improvement. I actually really like FOC Bruticus - he has flaws / compromises, but really does deliver (I'm a fan of the G2 colour scheme). That doesn't look much better to me - just shifts the balance of compromise (while presumably adding considerable cost). But, hey, we're all into different things - and third party stuff is even more personal.

Denyer
2013-10-28, 09:49 PM
Fansproject Not-Mindwipe... nice, but Skullcruncher's the next one I'm really interested in. (Unless the Not-Brainstorm, Smart Robin, comes with a more comic-faithful head.)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/776670-fansproject-f-x-toyline-megathread-49.html#post10139414

http://i.imgur.com/N1wzbcB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N1wzbcB.jpg

Knightdramon
2013-11-02, 02:35 PM
Peaugh has made a video review of MMC's core Razorclaw figure [Leo Dux or something], which shows off parts of the combination and the final Predaking toy [albeit with test shots].

I don't like Predaking, neither as a Decepticon combiner nor as separate characters.

Yet I'm ready to forsake a month's rent and food for that thing on my table.

As a toy, it ticks all the boxes for me.

Denyer
2013-11-15, 06:45 PM
Not likely to pull the trigger on it until after Xmas and seeing the alt mode and some colours on it, but I'm liking this MP scale Slag homage... whereas I think there'll be an official Shockwave at some point, I doubt Takara will do the dinos...

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fan-toys-ft-04-scoria-178774/

http://i.imgur.com/ctums73.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ctums73.jpg

Clay
2013-11-16, 02:31 AM
Warbotron preorders are up. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/list.aspx?list=14489) Pricing is slightly less than Uranos, and should be around the same size. Hitherto unknown company producing it, though.

We are well and truly spoiled for choice these days.

Warcry
2013-11-16, 04:01 AM
Not likely to pull the trigger on it until after Xmas and seeing the alt mode and some colours on it, but I'm liking this MP scale Slag homage... whereas I think there'll be an official Shockwave at some point, I doubt Takara will do the dinos...
I'd say the Dinobots are very likely, considering their popularity in the fandom. Don't think they'd happen any time soon though, the designers being on an "Autobot car" kick and all. And honestly...not sure how much better they'd be able to do than this anyway, at least in robot mode. That's a great-looking Slag. I love the way the rear dino legs fold up into his shins like that! Curious what the dino looks like, and how it looks with MP Grimlock (which I don't have, making it a bit superfluous for me...).

Shame about the price, though. :( $200 is pretty steep.

Warbotron preorders are up. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/list.aspx?list=14489) Pricing is slightly less than Uranos, and should be around the same size. Hitherto unknown company producing it, though.
Those are supposed to be Combaticons? Eh. One of the many, many things I don't get the excitement for.

Denyer
2013-11-16, 12:32 PM
I'd say the Dinobots are very likely, considering their popularity in the fandom.
In argument against them being likely (although it boils down to high cost of entry):

- They'd probably be done in scale with Grimlock, if at all
- They're of interest to most people as an ensemble piece
- Snarl and Sludge are "also there" characters to most people
- The recolour options are minor or of limited appeal (Diaclone, G2)

If the next movie sets off Dinobot fever I wouldn't rule it out, but considering how much a Prime/Magnus/Seeker mould has to be milked and that the trend is for smaller items, I suspect that official sources won't want the risks.

And you've got to consider the effect that third parties getting there first does have; the official piece has to be better or significantly enough cheaper to appeal to both those that were on the fence and those that have already committed.

Shockwave could do it, best guess.

Denyer
2013-11-16, 12:36 PM
Warbotron preorders are up. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/list.aspx?list=14489) Pricing is slightly less than Uranos, and should be around the same size. Hitherto unknown company producing it, though.

Hmm. Less keen on the aesthetic, seeing not-Brawl in robot mode... he's come out more like a run-of-the-mill car design...

http://i.imgur.com/4F3vAiW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4F3vAiW.jpg

Warcry
2013-11-16, 03:10 PM
- They'd probably be done in scale with Grimlock, if at all
I can't think of any reason why this would be a negative, frankly. I'm way less impressed with Slag after reading that TFW thread and finding out that he's going to be an inch taller than Grimlock and you'll need to give your Dinobot leader a set of aftermarket booties so that they don't look stupid together.

If the next movie sets off Dinobot fever I wouldn't rule it out, but considering how much a Prime/Magnus/Seeker mould has to be milked and that the trend is for smaller items, I suspect that official sources won't want the risks.
I don't think you can really say there's "milking" going on. With the seekers in particular, even after, what, eight or ten releases the fans keep snapping them up, and you can't go anywhere on the big boards without running into people who say they need a new Skywarp using the new mold, or demanding the design be retooled into Coneheads.

And for Prime, it's just an issue of demand. He's Optimus Prime, pretty much everyone in the fandom is going to want one. They could re-release the mold every year for the next decade and not run out of market for it, since a lot of folks either couldn't find the earlier ones or joined the fandom after they were released.

I mean, if people want it, it's not like Takara and Hasbro are just going to ignore that.

And you've got to consider the effect that third parties getting there first does have; the official piece has to be better or significantly enough cheaper to appeal to both those that were on the fence and those that have already committed.

Shockwave could do it, best guess.
Sorry, not buying it. I've heard those same arguments too many times about too many things, and seen it proven wrong too many times.

Hasbro will never release the rest of the Classics seekers at retail because of the BotCon set? Wrong. We'll never get a new triplechanger Springer because of the FansProject one? Wrong. Third parties have taken over the combiner market and Hasbro will never make another? Wrong. The iGear MP seekers are better than the official ones, so Takara will never be able to sell that mold again? Wrong (also hilarious, because Takara's MP-11 steals the changes iGear made in the first place). And there's more examples too. In every instance, people went on and on about how awesome the 3P or convention toys were and how Hasbro would never be able to top them, and in every instance people gobbled up the official/mass market versions once they were announced. And it's not even like the newer versions are universally better, but the fandom as a whole has the attention span of a goldfish and forgets about the old stuff as soon as something shiny and new comes along.

Third-party stuff is especially vulnerable because of the high price and lead time between order and delivery. Go read the thread at TFW and you'll see a bunch of people cancelling preorders for some other, different 3P item so that they can order Slag. Three weeks ago, they would have been telling us how awesome those 3P Predacons or Bruticus toys were, but now they're forgotten and Slag is the shit. How many of those folks are going to cancel Slag in turn when a different company reveals, say, MP versions of Shrapnel or Perceptor or Omega Supreme? Or, heck, imagine if Takara announced an official MP Slag next week. Sight unseen, how many people would cancel their preorder on this third-party one for it? I'd say lots.

On top of that, as I understand it the lead Japanese designer has openly stated that he plans to make MPs of all the season one characters (tangent -- that might actually include more characters that I thought at first glance...weren't the first two western seasons released at once in Japan?), and that list would definitely include Dinobots. That doesn't necessarily mean it will happen, and I remain convinced that Takara will stick to their usual bad habits and run the line into the ground/start selling pedophile-attracting figures with the robots any day now, but you'd have to think that the Dinobots would be way ahead of everyone but Bumblebee and the flashier Diaclone cars on their list of stuff that's going to sell.

And in 2016 or whenever they get around to it, these 3P Dinos will be a distant memory and the fandom will greedily snap up the official ones, even if they're objectively worse than the fakes. Because that's just what we do, every single time this situation comes up.

Clay
2013-11-16, 04:25 PM
Or, heck, imagine if Takara announced an official MP Slag next week. Sight unseen, how many people would cancel their preorder on this third-party one for it? I'd say lots.


That actually sort of happened to the company producing the Slag. One of their previous projects was a masterpiece-style Soundwave, and a week later Takara announced theirs. So the third-party company just canceled the whole project instead of competing and went on to produce the Shockwave/Quakewave.

Cliffjumper
2013-11-16, 05:01 PM
tangent -- that might actually include more characters that I thought at first glance...weren't the first two western seasons released at once in Japan?

Seasons 1 & 2 were merged, yes... but I'm not sure whether it's been somewhat un-done by Japanese fandom's worship of the original cartoon, in the same way otakus take the original Japanese version of a show over a Western chop-shop version. The Pioneer covers (http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/japanese/pioneercovers.php), for example, feature the Western logo, drop "Fight! Super Robot Lifeforms", a decidedly Western look to a lot of the art work and could pass as American DVDs; most of Ichigawa's semi-official work is heavily focused on the Western cartoons as a base, etc. It's always kind-of amused me that Western TF fans were/are always interested in Dai Atlas and Sixknight while the Japanese fans are "Who? Let's talk about Optimus Prime and Bumblebee please...".

[/curious uninformed unrelated speculation]

Cliffjumper
2013-11-16, 05:08 PM
A bit more on-topic, 3rd Party stuff just leaves me strangely cold. It feels too abstract, it's too expensive and it's all oddly samey. No matter what facet of Transformers is firing my... fires... at any one particular time, be it a well-timed re-read of a Titan TPB, catching a few episodes of Prime, reading Eugen or having a Bayathon, the thing that remains largely unshakeable is my love of the Diaclone-based toys, warts and all. I've got MP Sideswipe sitting here and he's great, but he's also strangely transient compared to the block-legged party-shagging-motion-expert original. I'm the same with 3rd party stuff - there's always going to be a slightly better Prowl to come with articulated toes and a little persex cloud of smoke you can clip onto his gob, but the original is there, finite and in its' own way beautiful and perfect, job done. The updates are always going to get updated on and superceded, and it's too expensive to win the game (well, unless you shill for TFSource).

Denyer
2013-11-16, 05:24 PM
I can't think of any reason why this would be a negative, frankly.
Cost. There's a larger potential market for the cars than Grimlock, simply due to pricing; leading onto...

I don't think you can really say there's "milking" going on.
...more of the moulds than not have been chosen are ones they can get multiple characters from. "Milking" not as a pejorative, incidentally, just meaning reuse. Where a mould can't be reused it's a bigger gamble (or has to be underwritten by something else) and we see fewer of them.

seen it proven wrong too many times
Don't think I was dreaming that more than one official source has indicated that reissues have been deferred or not investigated due to the market they estimate already having something in-hand.

Partly it's Takara's reluctance to use certain methods to do reissues, though.

We'll never get a new triplechanger Springer because of the FansProject one? Wrong. Third parties have taken over the combiner market and Hasbro will never make another? Wrong.
They're wrong due to either comparing apples and oranges or just being ****ing stupid, though. Mass-market figures don't compete with hundred-dollar ones, and there's no reason anyone would bow out of making figures that combine.

how many people would cancel
That's less a third party issue and more standard collector budget allocation decisions. Knowing that another product will be coming out, in a similar price bracket, most people will wait to see the other one. Large-ticket planned purchases often get cancelled in favour of other large-ticket purchases.

Also, "the fandom as a whole" doesn't exist any more than smaller groups are homogeneous. Relative to numbers sold, surprisingly little collectible product makes it back onto the main online markets. Either folk are doubling up or sticking with their choices.

The main issues third parties have to deal with are price differentials and trust issues over quality and delivering.

They could re-release the mold every year for the next decade
If they could make it pay, they'd re-release more than they do.

Clay
2013-11-16, 08:14 PM
Seasons 1 & 2 were merged, yes... but I'm not sure whether it's been somewhat un-done by Japanese fandom's worship of the original cartoon, in the same way otakus take the original Japanese version of a show over a Western chop-shop version.

Wait wait wait wait.... didn't the Dinobots show up in the western season one regardless? If so, they're in that first group no matter how the episodes are categorized.

I'm the same with 3rd party stuff - there's always going to be a slightly better Prowl to come with articulated toes and a little persex cloud of smoke you can clip onto his gob, but the original is there, finite and in its' own way beautiful and perfect, job done. The updates are always going to get updated on and superceded, and it's too expensive to win the game (well, unless you shill for TFSource).

Yep, that was pretty much my thesis statement for this article (http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/?s=countdown-10-the-rise-of-the-third-party-transformer).

Cliffjumper
2013-11-16, 08:51 PM
Wait wait wait wait.... didn't the Dinobots show up in the western season one regardless? If so, they're in that first group no matter how the episodes are categorized.

Yeh, sorry, was tangientally wandering, obviously the Dinos are S1 either way. Do, say, Air Raid or Groove count as Season 1 characters to the Japanese or not?

The cartoon straddles the toy releases quite awkwardly when you think about it - Season 1 covers the 1984 range and the advance figures from '85; Season 2 has the bulk of the 1985 range (after a dozen or so [?] episodes using the Season 1 cast...) then the first few figures from 1986, the Movie has the bulk of the 1986 range, Season 3 tidies up the rest and has the advanced guard of 1987...

Yep, that was pretty much my thesis statement for this article (http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/?s=countdown-10-the-rise-of-the-third-party-transformer).

Nice read - must pay more attention to the site. And yeh, I think it's going to be a big problem for 3rd Party companies in the future. I would theorise that while there might be a lot of dilly-dallying over ordering that once a 3P figure arrives in a collector's hands as long as the quality is passable they're inclined to stick - so say you buy a third party Shockwave that's excellent and then in a year's time someone else comes up with a slightly better one, the collector is likely to stick unless they have money to burn (or shills for TFSource) as the price is so high.

Whereas Hasbro's unit prices are lower which would probably make buyers more willing to upgrade - if, say, a new 'Classics' Prowl was to come out which did a better job than the Universe one, even if not by much, lots more people would be tempted to take a punt as they're paying $13 or whatever rather than five, six times that.

Where the third party products might be competing more directly with Hasbro are the random recolours - RTS No Seriously Tracks Did Just Look Like Wheeljack With Backwards Legs might have found fewer mugs buyers if there'd been more of a prospect of a 3P Tracks that maybe looked a bit like Tracks. But then I suspect even on 'fannish' recolours like Black Shadow Hasbro's buyers are probably still 95% kids, so it won't bother them overly. Alt/BT were I suspect quite lucky not to have such skilled competition.

Warcry
2013-11-16, 11:20 PM
That actually sort of happened to the company producing the Slag. One of their previous projects was a masterpiece-style Soundwave, and a week later Takara announced theirs. So the third-party company just canceled the whole project instead of competing and went on to produce the Shockwave/Quakewave.
Right. I remember that now!

Weren't they also doing a Blaster as well? Was he canned too?

A bit more on-topic, 3rd Party stuff just leaves me strangely cold. It feels too abstract, it's too expensive and it's all oddly samey.
It leaves me cold too, but for different reasons. Aside from some of iGear's output, which were...well, basically retooled bootlegs (their MP seekers, their Impactor, probably a few others) none of the third-party stuff seems to have any cohesiveness and very little of it fits, either with other 3P items or with official stuff. I think you were the one a few years ago who pointed out the futility of designing beautiful G1-accurate versions of Swindle and Blast Off when they were designed to combine with a bunch of Energon toys that looked nothing like the other Combaticons. And that same sort of cognitive dissonance seems to afflict most other third-party offerings too.

I mean, just looking at the pictures that Clay included in his article (and not including the armour for ROTF Prime, which is actually good) I see: a weird thing that doesn't even look like it belongs in the same room as real Transformers that people purport to be Ultra Magnus; a Hardhead that looks like the 1987 toy with extra joints; versions of Devastator and Shockwave that are way too big for Classics but not nearly G1-accurate enough to pass as Masterpieces; Omega Supreme is the only one who actually looks like he'd "fit" with any other toys.

That's not to say that all of these figures are awful (Magnus is though, I laugh every time I see that piece of crap in a shelf of Classics toys) but the scattergun approach they've taken to making stuff really hurts the appeal, for me. But then, there are probably fifteen "major" groups operating by now. What else would you expect?

No matter what facet of Transformers is firing my... fires... at any one particular time, be it a well-timed re-read of a Titan TPB, catching a few episodes of Prime, reading Eugen or having a Bayathon, the thing that remains largely unshakeable is my love of the Diaclone-based toys, warts and all. I've got MP Sideswipe sitting here and he's great, but he's also strangely transient compared to the block-legged party-shagging-motion-expert original. I'm the same with 3rd party stuff - there's always going to be a slightly better Prowl to come with articulated toes and a little persex cloud of smoke you can clip onto his gob, but the original is there, finite and in its' own way beautiful and perfect, job done. The updates are always going to get updated on and superceded, and it's too expensive to win the game (well, unless you shill for TFSource).
I don't disagree with this, but it's true with official product as well. It really depends on the "breadth" of your collection, though. If you're constantly buying and re-buying every character as soon as a newer, better one comes out, you're going to spend a lot of money spinning your wheels. Personally I couldn't fathom spending that much time, effort or cash on anything but a handful of favourite characters (Prowl, Soundwave, Shockwave, Hot Rod, Bludgeon, Spinister, most of the BW cast...), with other toys getting picked up only if they really catch my eye, but I know that lots of folks are a bit less...discerning than that.

Cost. There's a larger potential market for the cars than Grimlock, simply due to pricing; leading onto...
Gotcha. I thought you were going to make an argument that Grimlock wasn't big enough, which I see all the time on other boards and which makes me want to tear my hair out. People acting as if scale beyond vague large/medium/small groupings existed in the G1 cartoon are a pet peeve of mine. :)

...more of the moulds than not have been chosen are ones they can get multiple characters from. "Milking" not as a pejorative, incidentally, just meaning reuse. Where a mould can't be reused it's a bigger gamble (or has to be underwritten by something else) and we see fewer of them.
I'm actually not sure how much of a difference that makes at this price point. I was pretty bemused when it turned out that Takara was going to put out two non-show redecos of the Lamborghini mold just because...well, I didn't think anyone would buy them. Tigertrack and especially G2 Sideswipe, who had extensive retooling done, just don't seem to have the same level of appeal as a cartoon guy, and even as lower-run releases I didn't think they'd do well (and Tigertrack at least doesn't seem to have sold well by MP standards, with the price being reduced on several major sites).

And the next two MP cars are Wheeljack and Bumblebee, neither of which have quick or high-profile redecos at all (though if you've ever wanted an MP Slicer or Marlboor, cross your fingers...). That makes me think that redecos aren't as big a factor in their plans for MPs as they are for, say, a standard Deluxe toy.

Don't think I was dreaming that more than one official source has indicated that reissues have been deferred or not investigated due to the market they estimate already having something in-hand.

Partly it's Takara's reluctance to use certain methods to do reissues, though.
That might be true in certain markets, but Hasbro seems to be making a tidy profit re-reissuing their Commemorative Series stuff for the Asian market these days.

Also, "the fandom as a whole" doesn't exist any more than smaller groups are homogeneous. Relative to numbers sold, surprisingly little collectible product makes it back onto the main online markets. Either folk are doubling up or sticking with their choices.
Not entirely sure I agree with that -- there were a lot of Warbot Defenders up for sale earlier this year when the new Springer came out, for example. But it can be hard to gauge with third-party stuff, because they're so low-run compared to official TFs that even if there is a massive sell-off of certain items it might not register on our radar.

Also, we tend to forget but both the impetus and the primary market for this stuff isn't really us -- it's the burgeoning Asian fandom, just like the Asian fandom are the ones making it. How that impacts sales and distribution, we don't really know.

If they could make it pay, they'd re-release more than they do.
I'm not sure they would. Part of the MP line's branding is exclusivity, for better or worse. If they made the molds more easily available they'd make money off of it in the short term, but in the long term it would take away from the "feeding frenzy" that happens when a new MP toy is released and possibly hurt future sales. It's a fine balancing act...Takara could probably make twice as many of each MP available as they do, charge less than the Hasbro prices and still make a profit...but then the line would lose the "high-end collector" tag it's acquired and just become another toyline, killing a lot of the buzz in the process.

Yep, that was pretty much my thesis statement for this article (http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/?s=countdown-10-the-rise-of-the-third-party-transformer).
Just curious...while writing this, did you look into whether or not third-party toys exist in any other fandom? I don't follow too many other toylines that closely, but I've never seen anything even close to this level of fan production for anything else. The Lego fandom tend to produce custom accessories and reprolabels-style custom minifigure stickers, but the idea of third-party bricks is anathema. Third-party TMNT or DC stuff likewise doesn't seem to be very thick on the ground, which is a surprise -- surely it'd be way easier and cheaper to produce non-transforming figures? Especially for DC stuff, whose fans have a legitimate case when they talk about how Mattel has screwed them for the last few years.

Yeh, sorry, was tangientally wandering, obviously the Dinos are S1 either way. Do, say, Air Raid or Groove count as Season 1 characters to the Japanese or not?
Yeah, that's what I was wondering. As best as I can recall, so far the only characters who weren't in our S1 who've gotten new MP molds are Hot Rod (a hugely popular character on both sides of the pond) and Ratbat (a tiny accessory to a bigger toy). I'd be curious to know whether Takara sees guys like Powerglide or Beachcomber or Astrotrain or Perceptor as viable, or if "Season 1" to them means the same as it does to us -- the 1984 Hasbro catalogue plus Devastator, Skyfire, Dinobots, Insecticons, Shockwave and Reflector. Honestly I'd be really surprised if they dipped into that pool too deeply...the cast from the '86 movie seem to attract more nostalgia, and I'd expect to see Galvatron and the like well before they touch guys like Warpath if the line gets that far.

The cartoon straddles the toy releases quite awkwardly when you think about it - Season 1 covers the 1984 range and the advance figures from '85; Season 2 has the bulk of the 1985 range (after a dozen or so [?] episodes using the Season 1 cast...) then the first few figures from 1986, the Movie has the bulk of the 1986 range, Season 3 tidies up the rest and has the advanced guard of 1987...
That's just an artifact of the US way of scheduling a TV season, I think. The new TV season starts in September, so a cartoon starting in September 1984 will need to advertise the summer '84 and winter '85 stuff (though as best as I can tell, Dinobots and Insecticons and the like would have been coming out around Christmas anyway, just like Wave 1 of the 2014 toys will start showing up in stores over the next few weeks if they haven't already).

Nice read - must pay more attention to the site. And yeh, I think it's going to be a big problem for 3rd Party companies in the future. I would theorise that while there might be a lot of dilly-dallying over ordering that once a 3P figure arrives in a collector's hands as long as the quality is passable they're inclined to stick - so say you buy a third party Shockwave that's excellent and then in a year's time someone else comes up with a slightly better one, the collector is likely to stick unless they have money to burn (or shills for TFSource) as the price is so high.
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of people still openly say that they're only buying a certain third-party toy as a placeholder until a "real one" comes out. That seems like a kinda silly approach to me, but I think it's the only way a lot of folks can justify to themselves buying a fake. It's the same sort of attitude that some folks had about outright bootlegs a decade ago.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-17, 04:19 AM
Nice read - must pay more attention to the site.



[SUBTLE PSYCHOLOGICAL PRESSURE] Especially as you're supposed to be writing one of those features.[/SUBTLE PSYCHOLOGICAL PRESSURE]

Terome
2013-11-17, 01:39 PM
This looks neat. Is it neat?
BMOG! (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1822390380/bmog-bio-mechanical-ordnance-gestalts-ursenal-vs-m)

Denyer
2013-11-18, 11:55 AM
I would theorise that while there might be a lot of dilly-dallying over ordering that once a 3P figure arrives in a collector's hands as long as the quality is passable they're inclined to stick - so say you buy a third party Shockwave that's excellent and then in a year's time someone else comes up with a slightly better one, the collector is likely to stick unless they have money to burn
Yeah, that's my take on it. And given sufficient appeal the same goes for official high-ticket items... Warbot Defender being liquidated isn't the best example because Generations Springer is a mass-market figure rather than a premium one, and WD wasn't an accurate representation of the character in the first place.

And the next two MP cars are Wheeljack and Bumblebee, neither of which have quick or high-profile redecos at all (though if you've ever wanted an MP Slicer or Marlboor, cross your fingers...). That makes me think that redecos aren't as big a factor in their plans for MPs as they are for, say, a standard Deluxe toy.
I think it's more a question of keeping as many of them as variant-friendly as possible. Even if it's a case of "wait a bit and then do deluxe versions", because of the vehicle licensing (and odds that that's fixed term) they need to maximise profit within a window.

With Bumblebee, are we certain they've squared the bug with VW? Could be looking at Cliffjumper, Hubcap, and any number of less-known minibots.

I'm not sure they would. Part of the MP line's branding is exclusivity, for better or worse. If they made the molds more easily available they'd make money off of it in the short term, but in the long term it would take away from the "feeding frenzy" that happens when a new MP toy is released and possibly hurt future sales.
Implicit in "if they could make it pay", really (although for how much longer is this viable with professional bootleggers getting involved?)

As you say, Asia being a boom market is both interesting and largely unknown. LEGO's certainly doing well.

Third-party TMNT or DC stuff likewise doesn't seem to be very thick on the ground, which is a surprise -- surely it'd be way easier and cheaper to produce non-transforming figures?
The fandom attracts engineers, the science end of science fiction fans and the product's particularly tactile and creative. Third party product is also easier to defend in a way that a likeness of Wolverine or Batman/Superman isn't.

Cliffjumper
2013-11-18, 04:20 PM
I'd say enough of the G1 figures are recolour-friendly that in a line like MP if they work out that there're enough repaints across the board coming up with 2/3 per figure isn't crucial.

Grimlock and Hot Rod, both with low-expectation fan-orientated recolours, have shown that; as cretinous as it was, the Marvel version of Grimlock was a game-changer in terms of what Takara are willing to try (ditto Tigertrack). Looking at what's left from the Autobot cars (plus the announced Bumblebee):

Ironhide: Ratchet, naturally. With the possibility of a low-volume Marvel or Sunbow run for either, depending on what gets the nod, or a black Diaclone Ironhide.

Wheeljack: Tigertrack says to me that Marlboor, done in small numbers as an exclusive, is do-able - and likely considering it's one of the best known and most lusted after Diaclone variants. Expect the graphics to be 3rd market, though - probably just the chevrons on the car.

Bumblebee: Will be a big enough seller on his name for it to not worry. I would suspect he'll be done in a way that the mould can be reshelled to Cliffjumper (very similar animation models and original toys) and thus Hubcap. Possible low run fan-aimed redecos are red and gold.

Sunstreaker: low-volume cop recolour, maybe red version.

Trailbreaker: share with Hoist is feasible depending on cartoon versus toy approach and/or clever moulding. If not, there're a couple of low-volume Diaclone schemes.

Mirage: low-volume red Diaclone version. Difficulty with Mirage is possibly going to be working out who actually owns the rights to the design.

Jazz: Stepper/Ricochet - not humungously popular but a step (LOL!) above most. Wouldn't rule out a silver 'movie' version either.

Skids: Crosscut as low-run.

Hound: Detritus maybe as low run, or something totally random. Or even just stand-alone for this one.

Tracks: Road Rage, low-run.

Inferno: Grapple.

Plus if money's tight they can still get Clamp Down and Deep Cover out of the Lambo (depending on licence length; I am mildly surprised we haven't had all five in rapid succession, and that boring old Tigertrack got the nod over these two).

That's three moulds with 'prime' repaints, six with obvious 'secondary' repaints they probably don't have the house on and only Hound with no realistic possibilities. I really wouldn't underestimate the pull repaints are going to have as long as the new moulds keep some sort of momentum - there will be enough people out there who want a shelf full of the things once numbers hit critical mass; here the smaller size and lower price could reap dividends.

People bought Alternators like Swerve, Rollbar and Decepticharge once they were hooked on the line; not in enough quantities but there's a much more solid and well-organised market for adult-orientated robot toys in Japan (Soul of Chogokin's probably up to a hundred unique figures by now) which doesn't involve them having to sell like child-orientated figures.

That said, much is going to hinge on Bumblebee. If they don't have the Beetle people will start to waver; I'd say they must be fairly confident to have him so far up the order. With Wheeljack it's an early sign that they aren't just going to whistle through the 'easy repaint' guys and leave people hanging for Sunstreaker and Hound.

Half-glass empty is that the 'new' Masterpiece line has done three figures and there's plenty of time for Takara to screw up.

Warcry
2013-11-18, 11:34 PM
With Bumblebee, are we certain they've squared the bug with VW? Could be looking at Cliffjumper, Hubcap, and any number of less-known minibots.
Bumblebee is a grey area, for sure. The general thesis seems to be coming as close as possible to both the cartoon robot modes and the real-world alt-modes, which is why (for example) Bluestreak's colour scheme doesn't quite follow the cartoon layout. With that in mind I think they probably try to make Bee a real Beetle, but if VW doesn't play ball they could probably get away with making the alt-mode strictly cartoon.

Cliffjumper, though? If he actually looked anything like his real-world alt-mode, he wouldn't be anything like Cliffjumper. I doubt they'd even think about licensing for him. And I do fully expect Takara to reuse the Bumblebee toy's "skeleton" for Cliffy. Depending on how big he ends up and what the price is, I'd imagine we'll see all sorts of redecos too...Bug Bite and Hubcap for sure, and probably a bunch of random South American decos as well.

I kinda worry that MP Bumblebee will wind up being the size of a Deluxe and as complex as an Alternity, though.

Implicit in "if they could make it pay", really (although for how much longer is this viable with professional bootleggers getting involved?)
Not sure the bootleggers will be much of a factor honestly. At least not with their current paradigm...the bootlegs are cheaper than buying from BBTS or other Western stores but not all that much cheaper than ordering directly from Asian sources, and with the QC issues we've seen on Sideswipe and Red Alert it'll be impossible for them to be passed off as the real thing.

Without a price gap, if Takara produces enough to meet demand (which is the main issue so far...) I don't think the KOs will make much inroads. Hasbro deciding to produce the MP cars would likewise increase supply and seriously hurt demand for KOs.

The fandom attracts engineers, the science end of science fiction fans and the product's particularly tactile and creative. Third party product is also easier to defend in a way that a likeness of Wolverine or Batman/Superman isn't.
I'm not sure that's true anymore. Three or four years ago when third-party stuff was add-ons for existing figures or vague approximations of G1 characters like Defender, it seemed like that was the case. But these days third parties are trying to horn in on the Masterpiece market by producing picture-perfect reproductions of G1 character models. There's still a gap between the two positions (it'd be damn hard to make a Superman toy without using trademarked logos, whereas Shockwave without Decepticon badges is still going to sell to folks who want a Shockwave) but it's a narrower gap than it used to be. I think DC would be a lot more vigorous defending their IP than Hasbro has been to date, though, which would make a big difference.

And I think you're right about the franchise attracting engineers. It makes sense that we'd have more folks like that per capita than other fandoms.

Inferno: Grapple.
Almost certainly an Artfire too, since Jazz wouldn't offer any redeco options besides Stepper. Takara would want to sell you the whole set.

Plus if money's tight they can still get Clamp Down and Deep Cover out of the Lambo (depending on licence length; I am mildly surprised we haven't had all five in rapid succession, and that boring old Tigertrack got the nod over these two).
I suspect Tigertrack was a cynical stab at getting people to buy a stand-in for Sunstreaker more than anything else.

I'd be surprised to see Clampdown or Deep Cover any time soon though, since one is Red Alert with Sideswipe's head and a couple different paint apps and the other is G2 Sideswipe with blue instead of red. They might get to them eventually if the license lasts long enough but I'd be really surprised to see them before 2015.

Another redeco they'd be crazy to pass up is a Blue Bluestreak deco of the Datsun mold. I'm still not sure why we never got a reissue or even the Universe mold in those colours, because that's by far the most popular variant Diaclone scheme amongst the fandom.

Knightdramon
2013-11-19, 09:50 AM
Another redeco they'd be crazy to pass up is a Blue Bluestreak deco of the Datsun mold. I'm still not sure why we never got a reissue or even the Universe mold in those colours, because that's by far the most popular variant Diaclone scheme amongst the fandom.

Yet it's the one that has never, even once, been released as a transformer, right?

Nowhere.

All the G1 datsun reissues, even that chromed silver streak---no blue version

The Universe mould released and redecoed lots of times--no blue version

All the small spychangers--no blue version

Unicron trilogy rehashes, remakes and homages--nowhere to be seen

Alternators---nope

Binaltech--maybe you can count the blue repaint at the end of the line, but that looked more like a no markings somescreen than streak.

Just saying, for what appears to be the nicest and semi-canon scheme, there hasn't been lots of attention by takara or hasbro.

Warcry
2013-11-19, 04:15 PM
Yet it's the one that has never, even once, been released as a transformer, right?
I think it might have been slapped on a Spychanger or something once. And the Kreon. But on a proper toy? Nope.

I legitimately cannot understand this. It is easily the most storied alternate deco in Transformers history, and the only Diaclone toy to inspire an urban legend about it being released as a TF in those colours when it actually wasn't. It's also (IMO at least) by far the prettiest deco on the original Datsun mold. It would get snapped up like crazy if Takara made it, whether in MP form or just a reissue.

Just speaking for myself, it's also one of two Autobot car schemes that I'm willing to pay import prices and online store gouging for without any qualms at all (the other being G2 Sideswipe...come on Takara, you're half-way there!). And I'm sure I'm far from the only one who salivates at the thought of it. But, I mean...they made Tigertrack, surely this deco can't be far behind. Right?

Denyer
2013-11-19, 06:15 PM
Not sure the bootleggers will be much of a factor honestly. At least not with their current paradigm...the bootlegs are cheaper than buying from BBTS or other Western stores but not all that much cheaper than ordering directly from Asian sources, and with the QC issues we've seen on Sideswipe and Red Alert it'll be impossible for them to be passed off as the real thing.
I'd argue that -- bizarrely enough -- they aren't trying to pass off. With SW someone has sat down and mocked up the packaging in meticulous detail but left specific tells that it isn't the original. Incredible reconstruction considering they've remoulded the head -- and whilst there's more variability (or more willingness to sell the lower-QC ones, at least) we're seeing a small amount of that product online; most of it likely isn't exported.

Wandering back around to the question of this third party stuff affecting Takara... even if prices are not much less than or comparable, it shoots down an artificial scarcity angle and limits inflation, scope for buzz, etc. At any point someone can jump in and do their own unofficial reissue or variant.

these days third parties are trying to horn in on the Masterpiece market by producing picture-perfect reproductions of G1 character models [...] it'd be damn hard to make a Superman toy without using trademarked logos
Yeah, that's the nub -- can't use trademarks or advertise with names that are too close, but legit new designs are difficult to touch directly.

They can have a go at distributors, but that's mostly over presentational association rather than embargoing them... TFSource might get into trouble for avoiding use of original names on homage listings but using official images in backgrounds and having a big button labelled "Custom Transformers", for example.

Cliffjumper
2013-11-20, 12:34 AM
Bumblebee is a grey area, for sure.

As I say, I think they must have something squared with VW to put him so high up the batting order. I don't think they'd get away with a superdeformed Sunbow/Minibot alternate mode in this day and age without licencing; the Beetle is probably the most recognisable car in the world and the bonnet design is very prominent. If they were to go generic on him, we'd have Big Expensive Blinged Up Classics Bumblebee (or, if you want to be pessimistic, Alternity Bumblebee) and momentum would be lost, people would scale down on plans to get the lot... Binaltech all over again, basically.

The BT proposal to VW/Porsche was ten years ago. A lot has changed since, not least a multi-billion dollar film franchise with a major car manufacturer onboard. It's amazing how many more companies will hand out licences to what's now one of the biggest money-spinning franchises in the world rather than a moderately successful kids' line.

Cliffjumper, though? If he actually looked anything like his real-world alt-mode, he wouldn't be anything like Cliffjumper. I doubt they'd even think about licensing for him.

Yup, Cliffjumper makes me think we're going to have deformed alt modes and robots strongly modelled on Sunbow/Marvel, probably smaller than the likes of Prowl and Sideswipe (and hopefully cheaper, though I wouldn't rule out something mental like bundled Witwicky figurines). Unlike BT, they haven't hung their hat on the scale/size thing with MP and I suspect the emphasis will be on robot mode displays.

They'll be idiots if they don't think ahead with the Minibots and realise that if the line has legs they'll want to do them all in a similar style. I think a Sideswipe-sized Bumblebee that turns into a realistic Beetle would be as much of a fan-botherer as the aforementioned Bling Classics version. These things are selling to the G1 cartoon crowd first and foremost as there's more of them and they vote with their wallets.

Almost certainly an Artfire too, since Jazz wouldn't offer any redeco options besides Stepper. Takara would want to sell you the whole set.

D'oh, forgot Arty. Yeh - still amazed Takara went with Road Hauler back in '03, even if the TM tooling wasn't available.

I suspect Tigertrack was a cynical stab at getting people to buy a stand-in for Sunstreaker more than anything else.

Yeh, pretty much - hoping people would double-dip in case he was the only mould. Sunstreaker himself must surely be along fairly soon unless Lamborghini gave out a very generous licence.

MID-POST RESEARCH: Hah, Lamborghini are owned by the Volkswagen group (well, this week...). That nails the 'Bee licence, then - wonder if Sideswipe was a test to see if the German people would firebomb VW HQ in anger.

Another redeco they'd be crazy to pass up is a Blue Bluestreak deco of the Datsun mold. I'm still not sure why we never got a reissue or even the Universe mold in those colours, because that's by far the most popular variant Diaclone scheme amongst the fandom.

Mmmm; it'd probably be the most sensible way of getting a 'bonus' recolour out of the Datsun (the only other halfway reasonable option is plain silver Bluestreak).

Yet it's the one that has never, even once, been released as a transformer, right?

Universe Spychanger - the Side Swipe recolour.

Just saying, for what appears to be the nicest and semi-canon scheme, there hasn't been lots of attention by takara or hasbro.

No, but it being on the original box art does give it a certain cachet, not to mention the whole Blue Bluestreak thing. For most of the previous "opportunities" you've got to remember that standard Bluestreak got dicked over - the Anime version and the chrome version were only put out as eHobby exclusives (the only retail reissue was the Western Silverstreak, where they were aiming for the "just like you had it in 1984" market), for example.

Generally in the past Hasbro/Takara have been happy enough that any Prowl gave them Bluestreak and Smokescreen automatically, or whichever way it worked - three figures from one mould, no need for more. Chromestreak was an oddity but like Gold Jazz sold badly (sellers still had loads of both for years) and led to eHobby putting a bit more thought into their exclusives than "This is the guy you have in whacky colours!" (after him, everyone else was pitched as an original character). There hasn't been much need otherwise to do much with the mould.

Takara might very well be happy enough with the MP Datsun working triple-time as it is; however, Blue Bluestreak would be an option if they wanted a fourth.

Warcry
2013-11-20, 08:45 PM
I'd argue that -- bizarrely enough -- they aren't trying to pass off. With SW someone has sat down and mocked up the packaging in meticulous detail but left specific tells that it isn't the original. Incredible reconstruction considering they've remoulded the head -- and whilst there's more variability (or more willingness to sell the lower-QC ones, at least) we're seeing a small amount of that product online; most of it likely isn't exported.
I guess that's possible, but if that's their goal I don't think it makes all that much sense. I mean, to me there are two possible goals when you bootleg something: passing it off as the real deal so you can defraud people out of what the real item is worth, or openly acknowledge that it's a fake but undercutting the original on price. Admitting it's a fake and charging about what the real thing goes for (before BBTS-gouging) doesn't make much sense to me. All they're doing is playing on scarcity, and now that Takara has picked up on the demand and started producing the things in greater numbers that window's probably about to slam shut on them.

Wandering back around to the question of this third party stuff affecting Takara... even if prices are not much less than or comparable, it shoots down an artificial scarcity angle and limits inflation, scope for buzz, etc. At any point someone can jump in and do their own unofficial reissue or variant.
That's a fair point, and I think it has effected Takara to some extent -- how many "second run" releases of different MPs have we seen in the last year or so? Starscream, Grimlock, Soundwave and Sideswipe have all gotten another batch produced this year, the latter two less than a year after the originals came out. I figure that's at least partly because the KOs showed them that they were leaving money on the table.

They can have a go at distributors, but that's mostly over presentational association rather than embargoing them... TFSource might get into trouble for avoiding use of original names on homage listings but using official images in backgrounds and having a big button labelled "Custom Transformers", for example.
From a legal perspective perhaps. But from a more practical standpoint? Eh. I've always been of the impression that Hasbro in particular could shut down most of the third-party scene in a lazy afternoon if they actually cared to, but they don't bother because there really wouldn't be any benefit to Hasbro to do so. It's not as if they're losing sales to 3P toys since most 3P buyers are already spending piles of cash on official merchandise anyway, and it's good PR to let the fans have their fun. As long as the third parties stay in that "only sort of violating Hasbro's IP" grey area, where's the benefit to shutting them down?

Hasbro and Takara could easily lean on the little guy in this situation the way they get leaned on by Walmart all the time ("Oh, you're selling third-party Transformers? Please stop that. In an unrelated story, your latest order of Generations and Masterpiece toys accidentally got shipped to Madagascar so you'll be getting them two months after your competitors."), but why do that if it's not actually going to benefit them?

As I say, I think they must have something squared with VW to put him so high up the batting order. I don't think they'd get away with a superdeformed Sunbow/Minibot alternate mode in this day and age without licencing; the Beetle is probably the most recognisable car in the world and the bonnet design is very prominent. If they were to go generic on him, we'd have Big Expensive Blinged Up Classics Bumblebee (or, if you want to be pessimistic, Alternity Bumblebee) and momentum would be lost, people would scale down on plans to get the lot... Binaltech all over again, basically.
Yeah, fair enough. If they were going to half-ass it, they would have left him for last. You're probably right about the design, too...the hood is the only thing really VWesque about cartoon Bumblebee, but it's so instantly recognizable that it'd be a grey area at best no matter what the rest looked like.

Yup, Cliffjumper makes me think we're going to have deformed alt modes and robots strongly modelled on Sunbow/Marvel, probably smaller than the likes of Prowl and Sideswipe (and hopefully cheaper, though I wouldn't rule out something mental like bundled Witwicky figurines). Unlike BT, they haven't hung their hat on the scale/size thing with MP and I suspect the emphasis will be on robot mode displays.
Robot mode scale is definitely what they're aiming for, since the two cars they've made so far apparently aren't even in scale with each other in alt-mode. Though that still doesn't say much, since in one shot Bumblebee would stand up to Prowl's chest and in the next he's barely up to his waist. So the Minibots would definitely be smaller, but how small? I'd hope he's not that much smaller than the regular cars. A Deluxe-sized MP car would have to be pretty special to stand out from the zillions of other Deluxe cars we get each year.

MID-POST RESEARCH: Hah, Lamborghini are owned by the Volkswagen group (well, this week...). That nails the 'Bee licence, then - wonder if Sideswipe was a test to see if the German people would firebomb VW HQ in anger.
Not necessarily...each company probably still has it's own licensing department. But it definitely makes it more likely.

Also, it probably helps a lot that cartoon Bumblebee doesn't carry any weapons, which IIRC was what killed the original Alternators proposal -- VW told them "no guns", they gave the prototype a gun anyway and VW told them to piss off. If they were really as keen on avoiding "war toys" then as it sounds like, the designers would have been about as likely to get VW approval as if they'd covered it in swastikas. It sounds like a silly complaint but the Beetle is a quintessential family car -- turning it into friendly, happy G1 Bumblebee is a much easier sell than turning it into a heavily-armed war machine.

Takara might very well be happy enough with the MP Datsun working triple-time as it is; however, Blue Bluestreak would be an option if they wanted a fourth.
Possibly. But if Tigertrack or G2 Sideswipe are popular enough to wind up on the right side of their "will enough people buy it?" line, I don't see how they could pass up the chance to do Blue Bluestreak. I might be wrong, but I think the deco is so storied that it would sell just as well as the cartoon-accurate one. I might be blinded by the fact that I really, really want one, though. :)

Denyer
2013-11-20, 09:55 PM
Unlikely that Bumblebee's getting a gun, if they have got the license.

now that Takara has picked up on the demand and started producing the things in greater numbers that window's probably about to slam shut on them.
Be interesting to see what effect it has -- touting to foreigners on eBay aside, do we know what the price differential is locally?

I suspect there'll be more to come anyway, since copying is a deeply ingrained cultural attitude from consumer goods to academic publishing and the kind of dedicated town recreation that's hit Western press particularly over the last few years.

edit: Also, I don't mean to sound paranoid, but it wouldn't take much more effort to recreate things exactly to the point the tells were omitted.

Hasbro and Takara could easily lean on the little guy in this situation the way they get leaned on by Walmart all the time ("Oh, you're selling third-party Transformers? Please stop that. In an unrelated story, your latest order of Generations and Masterpiece toys accidentally got shipped to Madagascar so you'll be getting them two months after your competitors."),
Not really convinced that there's that much direct control over wholesaler distribution. And annual toy fairs are a courting exercise.

Clay
2013-12-10, 10:24 PM
Fansproject Diesel in package (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fansproject-ca-13-diesel-in-package-pictures-178903/)

SOON.

Denyer
2013-12-10, 10:49 PM
If I had any interest in Menasor, that's a very nice homage. The general trouble with the Stunticons, IMO, is that cars are very, very over-represented. As it stands the pricing can only be made to work for people that don't mind paying fifty quid apiece for limbs that aren't especially well differentiated from existing deluxes.

Larger figures it's easier to justify, and MMC show what's possible for essentially the same outlay as FP not-Headmasters.

The Reverend
2013-12-11, 11:17 PM
I'm liking the look of Igear's suitably ugly "Shark"(ticon), but I don't need a three pack of them!

glazios
2013-12-16, 12:31 PM
Fansproject Diesel in package (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fansproject-ca-13-diesel-in-package-pictures-178903/)

SOON.

That thing cannot get here fast enough. :P

Any word on the reasons as to why it's been delayed? FP's own websites are okay(ish) when it comes to new images of their stuff, but hopeless as information sources...

Denyer
2014-01-10, 06:00 PM
Anyone dealt with www.omegalock.co.uk here? Went with them for Scoria, being a significantly better deal than Kapow.

inflatable dalek
2014-01-10, 06:06 PM
Damn, I've just realised that as the Ironfist has been cancelled and I therefore won't be able to collect the entire LSotW cast anyway that makes me having bought that bloody terrible Impactor toy completely pointless.

Clay
2014-01-10, 10:58 PM
TFC "Gumball", part of a new combiner called Prometheus, (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/tfc-toys-prometheus-aka-defensor-gumball-aka-streetwise-color-pictures-179041/) or not-Streetwise and not-Defensor.

Promising, but now they're soliciting a second gestalt group while still releasing unofficial Predacons. Sales must be slipping compared to Uranos given the two alternative sets for Predacons by other third party companies.

Clay
2014-01-22, 12:26 PM
Masterpiece not-Swoop (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=BFR10000&mode=retail)

Denyer
2014-01-22, 08:38 PM
Probably rushed to market in light of the silhouette being shown with the Fans Toys Scoria...

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/963469-fans-toys-ft-04-scoria-not-slag.html

Might be interested.

Are Bullsfire a completely new player? I'm mainly chancing it with Fans Toys because Quakewave got such good feedback.

Clay
2014-01-22, 10:51 PM
Are Bullsfire a completely new player?

I believe so, yeah. The BBTS item menu shows Swoop as the only item.

Denyer
2014-01-22, 11:08 PM
not very enamoured of the Ramhorn and Steeljaw moulds that KFC have done, either.
The rhino really grows on you... got the lion as well ("retro" colours -- i.e. orange rather than yellow, more Stripes than Steeljaw) and it's not up to the same standard. Too much detail crammed in for the size and it becomes indistinct and fiddly.

Clay
2014-02-02, 07:27 PM
Scoria (Slag) in color (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fanstoys-scoria-colored-prototype-images-179217/)

He's pretty, I'll say that.

Denyer
2014-02-02, 08:45 PM
Mmm. Would prefer the toy colours, but works for me.

http://i.imgur.com/9JE7ilN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9JE7ilN.jpg

Clay
2014-02-23, 04:43 PM
Third party Dinobot Snarl:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gigapower-third-party-masterpiece-dinobots-snarl-179362/

Dinobots! Dinobots everywhere!

Also, Maketoys Not-Swerve and Not-Gears (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MKT10014&mode=retail) and, by popular request, my first blaster. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MKT10015&mode=retail)

Warcry
2014-02-23, 05:04 PM
Not the best timing for Swerve and Gears, it has to be said...

Blackjack
2014-02-23, 07:36 PM
That My First Blaster accessory is ridiculously funny, though. ;)

But yeah, like Warcry said, definitely not the best timing for Swerve and Gears. Especially not such an athletic-looking Swerve. Swerve is supposed to be boxy and dumpy.

Denyer
2014-02-23, 08:17 PM
Third party Dinobot Snarl:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gigapower-third-party-masterpiece-dinobots-snarl-179362/

Neat.

Might be getting a full set of MP Dinobots within the year if someone does a good Sludge.

[edit]
http://i.imgur.com/RMVO4BE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RMVO4BE.jpg

Knightdramon
2014-02-23, 10:06 PM
Too many Dinobots...lol never thought I'd say that.

New Snarl looks very nice [if a bit too similar to Grimlock, legs and arms-wise] but he suffers from one fatal flaw.

Same flaw almost all 3rd party companies suffer from.

Extremely long production window for each figure.

Recent examples? FP Stunticons were supposed to be finished last year.
PE Warden was said to come out last year
MMC Predaking was supposed to be 4/5ths of the way there by now, he's only 2/5s,
FP Headmasters were supposed to be much further than 3 releases in

And so on. So sadly we have a long way ahead.

Furthermore, unknown if I'll get it or not yet, but 12.99 GBP for the effing first Blaster for Swerve? Honest to god, 13 pounds for 2/3 sprues of plastic with around 12 parts in total on them, for something that's going to be smaller than an average USB stick in size?

It's times like this that I just back away and take a cold, hard look at what these prices get us these days :lol:

Denyer
2014-02-23, 10:54 PM
Not too impatient, personally. Scoria was an easy pick because of the very good feedback for Quakewave. The Bullsfire "Swoop" and this one are new companies with something to prove first. And QC is a greater concern with Snarl -- if the stego plates aren't thicker or metal they'd end up very fragile.

Price... there isn't much I collect, and dipping into the releases of various third party lines (rather than following one or more combiners) has resulted in decent figures I don't regret so far. MMV.

Knightdramon
2014-02-23, 11:19 PM
With no actual general hasbro or takara release that tickles my fancy until MP Wheeljack in August, I find myself flirting more and more with some 3rd party releases, but can't pick one.

Fansproject Code and Smart Robin look and feel awesome to me, plus they're both featured in MTMTE. Only thing holding me back is the voyager brainstorm from hasbro, or lack of seeing one.

Maketoys Swerve is also of interest, I really like what maketoys is offering thus far, but the price is a tad hard to swallow. Plus, being the "manga" line...I'm afraid I'll get this and Smart Robin, and maketoys will just come up with a nicer brainstorm.

PE Fort Max looks awesome, but at around 100 pounds I'm not so interested.

The feral cons appear to be amazing designs, but I'm thinking that the end result is predaking [for which I have no real love], and standalone, they are bright coloured animals. Not even sci-fi vehicles.

Ah...decisions. And the Dinobots don't interest me.

Denyer
2014-02-24, 02:49 AM
FP do some excellent stuff, but are sufficiently more expensive than other lines for the size that any niggles would be noticeable.

If they did a variant Smart Robin like this, I'd be all over it without waiting to see what Hasbro come up with;

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/772933-fansproject-function-x-03-smart-robin-not-brainstorm-128.html#post10448354

Heads really do make a huge difference. The stock ROTF Bludgeon head is a case in point.

Hasbro/TT Swerve is really quite funky -- and would expect them to continue doing more fairly impressive Classics minibots.

Knightdramon
2014-02-24, 05:47 PM
Eh...for me Marvel Brainstorm was nice as well, so I can always pretend it's him with Arcana.

Thinking of taking the hit and getting FP Code, Smart Robin and Maketoys [...same company, don't know why they bother] Swerve.

Clay
2014-02-25, 03:10 AM
Thinking of taking the hit and getting FP Code, Smart Robin and Maketoys [...same company, don't know why they bother] Swerve.

Huh? Maketoys and Fansproject are two different groups as far as I know.

Anyway, Fansproject's not-Roadbuster couldn't have come at a worse time. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10040&mode=retail) They've hinted at it and shown prototypes for a long time now, but the preorders have only been available since yesterday, a good week after Hasbro showed their own.

I mean, Roadbuster was a good bet for a figure that wasn't going to get an update from Hasbro anytime soon, but it just didn't turn out that way. More's the pity, the Fansproject figure looks just fine and dandy, but I can't see too many people biting with a comparable figure at a quarter the price being available later this year.

Unicron
2014-02-25, 06:34 AM
Yeah, I just saw the email earlier about BBTS' preorder for that. That's some impeccable timing

Knightdramon
2014-02-25, 07:55 AM
If not run by a large majority of the same people, then they at least share one primary toy designer.

Giant and Intimidator are so, so, so close in engineering and style.

Swerve and Gears are too alike with the stunticon cars in general engineering and shoulder articulation.

Happy accidents? Maybe but I doubt it.

Denyer
2014-02-25, 03:30 PM
More's the pity, the Fansproject figure looks just fine and dandy, but I can't see too many people biting with a comparable figure at a quarter the price being available later this year.
Doesn't really scream Roadbuster other than the colours... it's a very square box of bits, apparently intended to interoperate with a couple of other upcoming FP figures, and there's a powermaster engine type thing thrown in as well.

Hopefully they're doing alright, because I'm hoping more of the Function X series sees release, but the Warbot, Retro Future, etc. series don't appeal. Even with the homage to Rack'n'Ruin;

https://www.fpcore.com/news/2014/01/29/project-ground-hammer

Denyer
2014-02-25, 05:37 PM
Remember how this thread got aggregated around the Mach5 not-Ironfist? Looks like a best-case scenario happened -- the design's being put into production by a more established third party producer (Mech Ideas, who did the ace homages to Topspin and Twintwist):

https://www.facebook.com/kapowtoys.co.uk/posts/10151949485502006?stream_ref=1

http://i.imgur.com/8U8HxDn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8U8HxDn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uVvDAEl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uVvDAEl.jpg

inflatable dalek
2014-02-25, 09:00 PM
Typical this gets announced a day after I pump for a pre-order on the Botcon version (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS23210&mode=retail if anyone hasn't seen it), considering this looks more like the LSOTW version that'll probably be a cancel when this reaches the point it definitely looks as if it's going to happen.

Denyer
2014-02-25, 09:56 PM
Not to get too judgmental but the FOC Swindle mould is a disappointing figure even the nice metallic Takara colours don't do much for -- it's definitely not worth upwards of fifty bucks and I've got one you're most welcome to. (General tip for anyone after cheap Japanese releases -- watch sellers like this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/lena81822/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=200&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2654) that regularly have large numbers of specific pieces for a few quid a shot.) I can send you your comics back at the same time? Book's probably best waiting if you still want it.

Also, that doesn't look much like Ironfist.

Knightdramon
2014-02-25, 10:29 PM
(General tip for anyone after cheap Japanese releases -- watch sellers like this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/lena81822/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=200&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2654) that regularly have large numbers of specific pieces for a few quid a shot.)

Wow, extreme find----will definitely snatch one of those Megatrons. Wow.

inflatable dalek
2014-02-26, 03:54 PM
Not to get too judgmental but the FOC Swindle mould is a disappointing figure even the nice metallic Takara colours don't do much for --

Oh God, is that what it is? Well, that's a cancel then. The Impactor they got out of that set still makes me cry (though a toy of himself that could combine with the Wreckers is exactly what Ironfist would have wanted).

Agreed on the resemblance not being perfect, but at the time I thought it was going to be the only way to complete my set of utterly mismatched is size age and style LSOTW team. Preorder cancelled now anyway, I'll risk this toy not happening over owning another part of that hideous* FoC combiner.






*OK, maybe the other parts are better than the Onslaught that made Impactor, but I'll bet that coke Knightdramon owes me they're not.

Clay
2014-02-26, 10:24 PM
Hopefully they're doing alright, because I'm hoping more of the Function X series sees release, but the Warbot, Retro Future, etc. series don't appeal. Even with the homage to Rack'n'Ruin;

https://www.fpcore.com/news/2014/01/29/project-ground-hammer

I think Fansprojects' offerings have, on the whole, been greeted warmly. The last year or so they've done the three Headmaster figures and the Stunticons, which have all sold very well apparently. If not-Roadbuster fails to move quickly, I think that they can overcome that and get on with the other proposed figures.

And thinking about it more, it seems that the safer bets for third party groups are entire combining teams. Hasbro seems very reluctant to fool with them, and the results are very compromised when they do. Of course, then the problem is competition between third party groups... but Mech Ideas picking up the Ironfist design and producing it bodes well for the talent behind the companies getting their work into the light of day one way or another...

Knightdramon
2014-03-02, 03:25 PM
Gigatoys Snarl appears to be huge---two heads taller than MP10.

Rumours in his designated thread at tfw2005 seem to indicate he'll be cheaper than Scoria.

This seriously intrigues me...

Denyer
2014-03-02, 06:20 PM
Don't think it's going to pay off as a strategy.

http://i.imgur.com/9NBoRQg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9NBoRQg.jpg

And the Bullsfire not-Swoop doesn't look particularly promising in alt-mode. I think both are passes, personally.

http://i.imgur.com/K6uhYvC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K6uhYvC.jpg

inflatable dalek
2014-03-02, 07:42 PM
Yeah, I can't see who is going to want a Masterpiece Snarl that's so much bigger than Grimlock, especially if other third party peeps are doing the Dinobots as well.

The preorder on Gauntlet has gone up, and if anyone was after the not-Crankcase instead that's up as well.

Clay
2014-03-02, 09:22 PM
Yep, and relatively cheap for a 3rd party toy too. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MEC10005&mode=retail)

He's about scout-sized, so that would make his price roughly comparable to importing a Takara version of a similarly sized figure.

Denyer
2014-03-19, 07:47 PM
Scoria reviews are starting to show up... and you can pose the legs like the original toy with the dino bits on the outside, which is a nice touch.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.620440581338218.1073741835.177914178924196&type=1
http://i.imgur.com/YNI62Nd.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqD5KNVBqgg
sqD5KNVBqgg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiN1CVL2hqE
PiN1CVL2hqE

Clay
2014-03-26, 09:21 PM
The last figure for Mastermind Creation's Feral Rex, Tigris, is up for preorder. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MMC10017&mode=retail)

Leo Dux (Razorclaw) is due in stock at various online stores this week, while Talon (Divebomb) is still due sometime in between.

Clay
2014-05-08, 10:01 PM
Warbotron's not-Brawl in pictures. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/warbotron-wb01-b-unofficial-brawl-images-179908/)

Nearly out in the wild it seems.

Warcry
2014-05-08, 10:11 PM
Not too shabby! My biggest complaint about third-party combiners is that they usually sacrifice the individual robot modes to make the combined mode cooler, but this is legitimately a nicely realized Brawl. I can't even tell from looking at it that it's supposed to combine with anything.

A tad overdetailed like most third-party toys, but not nearly as noticeable as it is on most.

Denyer
2014-05-09, 06:26 PM
Seems a bit skinny, but he is a favourite character...

Knightdramon
2014-05-11, 01:02 PM
Hmmm...certainly a mixed bag for me.

Both Brawl and Blast off look genuinely nice figures, but with all the faff about their company I'm a bit hesitant to even consider them.

Rumours about this company doing a Menasor for their next combiner.

Clay
2014-05-11, 01:58 PM
Hmmm...certainly a mixed bag for me.

Both Brawl and Blast off look genuinely nice figures, but with all the faff about their company I'm a bit hesitant to even consider them.

I had to go and research what people were complaining about after Air Burst came out... and I can say that I don't see what the big concern would be. I'd chalk it up to the larger boards creating an echo-chamber of whining about people not having their toys instantly.

For anyone who'd rather have a summary, apparently BBTS paid a significant advance note to this Warbotron company, figuring they would need X figures based on previous sales of third party combiners. In the process, they basically funded and purchased the first production run for each of the five figures, leading to a loose 90-day exclusivity window for each figure before the second production runs start. Warbotron apparently didn't inform other vendors that BBTS would be getting most of the stock by virtue of paying cash up front, and this has led to a grand hissy-fit by way too many people (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/981261-warbotron-who-still-buying-who-dropping-orders.html), and in many cases the same people who cancelled their orders with BBTS for Fansprojects Diesel after they received their stock five days after TFSource.

First world problems, I tell ya.

Warcry
2014-05-11, 03:13 PM
Warbotron apparently didn't inform other vendors that BBTS would be getting most of the stock by virtue of paying cash up front
This right here is what pissed a lot of people off, and to be honest I can understand it. All those other retailers spent time and money advertising something that became, for all intents and purposes, a store exclusive at their biggest competitor and their customers wound up not being able to get what they were sold. If the manufacturer had come out and said it was BBTS-exclusive for the first production run right off the bat I don't think anyone (other than the retailers themselves) would have been bothered, but the way things played out really does make the Warbotron team look like a shady operation.

Knightdramon
2014-05-11, 04:13 PM
Yeah, that's what "killed" it for me as well.

Lots of bitching and drama in the UK thread over at tfw2005, especially from a UK retailer who openly attacked another retailer for having better prices [for f*ck's sake] regarding this as well...

Regardless, warbotron's non-communication of this exclusivity deal at all until the first day of the release is a very shady way of dealing, by my standards. I'm concerned over the company just packing up and going away without informing anybody, and leaving me with an incomplete gestalt, regardless of where I buy it from.

Other things can/are 1st world problems with this fandom, yes, but this last one "scares" me a bit more than missing paint apps on a deluxe :lol:

Denyer
2014-05-11, 06:14 PM
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/981261-warbotron-who-still-buying-who-dropping-orders-8.html#post10874837
edit2: other side -- http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/981261-warbotron-who-still-buying-who-dropping-orders-23.html#post10904399

If one retailer got the first production run, eh. These aren't mass-produced and distribution takes a while anyway.

Probably going to wait until the re-stock Warden I've got coming turns up and then order from Omegalock. Also gives a chance to see if the company takes the cash they were paid up-front by BBTS and does a runner.

edit: Looks good. Not sure what's up with the silly pink guns in other pics.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/951171-warbotron-wb01-unofficial-bruticus-739.html#post10985433

http://i.imgur.com/y1a810x.jpg

Clay
2014-05-11, 08:36 PM
This right here is what pissed a lot of people off, and to be honest I can understand it. All those other retailers spent time and money advertising something that became, for all intents and purposes, a store exclusive at their biggest competitor and their customers wound up not being able to get what they were sold.

Oh yeah, I get that. If I were a retailer, I would be pissed. But on the consumer end, I don't see the big deal. Shop A doesn't have stock, proceed to shop B. Of course, I waited a year for the second run of MP Sideswipe, so I'm not generally fussed to have something yesterday. That's what I mean when I say an echo chamber of whining.

It's interesting in the link that Denyer posted that the "small shop" fellow cites a large profit margin per figure without revealing what he planned to charge for them. I don't understand what he's trying to say... that some figures have a large profit-margin, therefore business is evil? As even he said, if BBTS wholesale price is $30 a figure for a minimum purchase of 200 units, that's still $6000 up front. If you're running a smaller web store that only needs ten units, I don't see how he plans to not get squeezed out of business. He also says that everything went fine until invoice time, meaning he didn't pay up front for a large chunk of the run anyway.

Then there's also people complaining about BBTS having a monopoly on the figures and charging whatever they want (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=2810&company=1699), neatly ignoring the fact that their biggest competitor (http://tfsource.com/warbotron/) has them priced with a $1 of difference.

I mean, I understand the frustrations, and it's apparent that Warbotron's communications are, at best, lacking and, at worst, intentionally underhanded, but I'm failing to find any sympathy through the "plucky little mom & pop internet shop" angle.

Regardless, warbotron's non-communication of this exclusivity deal at all until the first day of the release is a very shady way of dealing, by my standards. I'm concerned over the company just packing up and going away without informing anybody, and leaving me with an incomplete gestalt, regardless of where I buy it from.

I seriously doubt they'll make a night flight when they've already gone through the trouble of designing and prototyping the things. As it stands, all that's left to do is produce the product and collect the money. If we had only seen silhouettes of the remaining figures and nothing concrete, that might be more of a concern.

Knightdramon
2014-05-12, 06:23 AM
I seriously doubt they'll make a night flight when they've already gone through the trouble of designing and prototyping the things. As it stands, all that's left to do is produce the product and collect the money. If we had only seen silhouettes of the remaining figures and nothing concrete, that might be more of a concern.

Might be just me being paranoid, but we've had figures that went as far as test shots then we never even saw them for quite some time--or never.

Igear Impactor [Presser] and that not-Ironfist that just resurfaced are two prime examples of that.

Again, might be me, but the above, combined with their very lacking and shady communication to all other retailers, got me to pause.

Which is a pity because I'm really, really liking what I'm seeing from them.

Denyer
2014-05-14, 08:19 PM
Kapow seem confident and have lowered the pre-order price, so something's presumably happened behind the scenes.

Knightdramon
2014-05-15, 09:09 PM
Kapow is pretty much confirmed to be run by a crybaby man-child who openly attacks other UK retailers when they dare shop around and present better prices than him.

Not putting any stock at all at anything they carry, say or state anymore.

But generally speaking yes, the warbotron situation is better now.

Denyer
2014-05-16, 07:43 PM
They're rarely the best prices and the site interface is still poor (can't add separate shipping for individual dispatch with the generic cart system, for example, and out-of-stock isn't clearly indicated in listings) but decent selection and convenience factor.

edit: Not sure what to make of the guns apparently having been changed to black, eyes to orange and possibly the green changed. I like the green and purple eyes as is, and late changes are a surefire way to lose goodwill by pissing off a proportion of pre-orderers.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-wb-bruticus.html

Ryan F
2014-05-20, 12:08 PM
Kapow is pretty much confirmed to be run by a crybaby man-child who openly attacks other UK retailers when they dare shop around and present better prices than him.

Not putting any stock at all at anything they carry, say or state anymore.

In the interests of fairness, I feel I must chime in here and say I've had nothing but great service from Kapow. They are quick to respond to emails, have great customer service, and are eager to help out on the rare occasion I've had a problem figure.

Yes, Andy's outbursts on TFW2005 were very much uncalled for (accusing another UK dealer of being a tax evader), but that aside I've had no problems with Kapow's service.

Denyer
2014-05-20, 08:12 PM
If you can get past the sluggishness of the site, Masterforce seems to be having a clearance sale... still a bit of third party stuff at time of writing.

http://www.masterforce.co.uk/

Have just acquired my first piece of original art. Self-contained story page and the payoff from the b&w short in #228. They also have MTMTE pages at the moment.

edit: Not a very good photo, should've taken one before framing... but have left it without messing with the brightness to show the lettering overlays.

http://i.imgur.com/pI9Insk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pI9Insk.jpg

Denyer
2014-05-21, 06:51 PM
Kapow are also having a stock reduction sale that includes third party and MP items. I've bitten the bullet on the Fansproject not-Brainstorm, and will figure out the faceplate later. Doubt very much the Hasbro one will be as nice.

http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/overstock-sale.html

Less fussed about Code, but might end up going a bit completist on the FP Headmasters...

Clay
2014-05-21, 09:26 PM
Smart Robin is an extremely efficient design, and clever as well. I think you'll like it.

In other third party news, here's a Computron called Quantron (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/maketoys-quantron-full-reveal-with-colored-images-180058/). It looks a tad busy for me.

Clay
2014-05-21, 09:59 PM
Here are some more pictures of the individual not-Technobots (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/883088-maketoys-quantron-not-computron-186.html#post11048602). Have to say that I like the parts greater than the sum. Although I will acknowledge that they came up with something to do with the giant gestalt-sized gun that otherwise sits uselessly on Computron's back.

Warcry
2014-05-21, 10:13 PM
Those individual Technobots look horrible. None of them look anything like the originals with the exception of Lightspeed, who is sort of a twisted, funhouse-mirror version of himself. And Computron doesn't look like much either. Just an overdetailed mess like a lot of third-party toys that aren't executed properly.

I coveted them so much as a kid, seeing badly-realized Technobots pains me. :(

Clay
2014-05-21, 10:19 PM
I coveted them so much as a kid, seeing badly-realized Technobots pains me. :(

That's what I thought at first too. But, ignoring their intended homages, I kind of like them for themselves. As a representation of Computron and the Technobots? Maybe not so much. Just as transforming mecha that remind me 1980's sci-fi cover art? In that vein, I like them.

Denyer
2014-05-21, 10:27 PM
It's the first one I've been tempted to go for as a combiner and I like them individually as well. Updated but very recognisable.

Pretty sure I'll have done my toy shopping for the year way before AutoAssembly.

Knightdramon
2014-05-22, 06:17 AM
Looks tempting for me as well. No, I don't care about the Technobots, but as a sci-fi mecha, especially their individual modes, it looks aces.

Knightdramon
2014-05-24, 01:38 PM
So...my take on the 3rd party wars...

Too much nice stuff coming out, not all of it fits or budgets in my collection.

I'm very torn between the FT Dinobots and the MMC Predacons/Sixshot and that GLORIOUS Nova Prime they showed last year.

The FT Dinobots [...the two they showed] look very nice, they're doing a Grimlock that can replace the MP one I have, and the final push for me is the toy colours Slag that I need to see in order to decide which decos to push ahead for.

The MMC Predacons look like engineering marvels to me, very thick, stocky, nicely built [can somebody comment on the heft of them?], are generally cheaper than the Dinos [two for the price of 1 dino], merge into an AMAZING thing that I have no prior media attachment to...but some issues with the rhino prevent me from really getting into the group.

I was thinking of buying at least one Predacon and the Black Sixshot before AA, and buy some other preds there...but I don't know how the rhino issues [defective elbow joint I think? Swords that snap at the handles] are fixable. These figures look great but as I said before, I have no real attachment to the bots at all.

All other 3rd party at the moment look awesome [especially maketoys and the FP headmasters] but are too small for my MP only collection.

Thoughts/advice? I'm always going back and forth between these!

Denyer
2014-05-24, 02:38 PM
I've got Bovis... decent weight and the whole package (box, mini-comic, etc) is very professionally done. Haven't transformed him much -- I display in robot mode for the most part -- but haven't noticed the elbow gears mashing so far. The weapons take a bit of care to fit into the hands.

Looking forward to Scoria -- will repaint one head black, most likely -- and toy colours Soar, but wasn't planning to replace Grimlock. If you don't have the latter the FT one can probably be relied upon to fix minor niggles (such as the raised shoulders) with the official one, though.

There are plenty of nice CHUG-scale third party pieces, although if the MT Technobots are the same size as the FP Stunticons that's getting to be on the small side for either CHUG or MP.

I think my favourite 3P releases so far have been FP Weirdwolf (currently can be had for about forty quid, which is a much more realistic price than it was released at) and the MI Jumpstarters I got last year at AA, plus Quakewave lives up to its hype pretty well. And I really like the 3P add-ons available for various CHUG Voyagers.

Overall, screw scale. A mix just means it's easier to display things in multiple rows. Specialising, completism, etc. take the fun out of collecting.

If I were you I'd wait until AA and see what impression they make. Odds are there'll be a decent selection -- Omegalock are there this year as well as others.

Clay
2014-05-24, 04:41 PM
I haven't had any problems with Fortis (the rhino). Granted, I never tried forcing the dagger weapons into his hands as I was more interested with the blasters. I didn't have any problems with the elbows... what specifically should I be aware of or can check for you? They're now in non-use for the moment as Fortis and Bovis are currently merged with Leo Dux into an armless Predaking.

Also, while I understand the appeal of scale (I have a large Binaltech collection to this day), I've never let it persuade me against something I found interesting. If you're primary concern is a character diorama, I can see that being a bigger consideration, but as it is I tend to look at the figures puzzle-first, fiction-second. Usually.

Knightdramon
2014-05-24, 05:37 PM
I *believe* the issue is that the Rhino uses an identical elbow joint between his arms, and on one of them the gears get eaten up because of that. I asked for pictures at tfw to see if it was one guy or a widespread problem. That, one of the legs [don't know which] having too strong a connection on the add-on leg/foot and the handles of the knives being prone to snapping on the arms/palms are the issues I remember reading about.

Update

Here you go (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/963900-mmc-bovis-elbow-fix-replacement-guide.html)

There will be a toy-colour Scoria with a black robot head and non-chromed horns. I'm waiting to see that first before deciding on the rest.

I'm -kind- of worried about scale in the sense that I want most of the figures of mine to be around a certain size [not necessarily right size between them]. If that 3rd party Warden [Fort Max] was around MP Rodimus head height, I'd have jumped on that, for instance.

Predacons, dinobots and sixshot are the only ones who seem to fit that requirement [however cool they are, all FP headmasters are like 70-80 quid regular retail, and the MMC Predacons vary from 60 to 90 and are much bulkier and substantial].

Still a toss between all of them. In the end, yes, if the toy is good enough I can ignore the fiction [or lack of], but for such "expensive" nifty releases, I'd like some background on the bot I'm committing these funds for :lol:

Denyer
2014-05-27, 07:45 PM
Looking closely I've got a bit of chew on one Bovis elbow, but it seems to be a fairly minor cosmetic issue even if the small teeth get rounded out.

FansToys have announced "Sever" as Snarl...

http://i.imgur.com/PkHgYgk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PkHgYgk.jpg

I think they'd do best to get Scoria out before opening orders for this one.

Knightdramon
2014-05-27, 08:56 PM
-IF- I'll go with FT Dinobots I'm probably getting toy Scoria and Soar [Scoria was announced but never shown]. Wonder if those two will be the only ones with toy distinct decos as well. Not much difference between Grimlock/Sludge and Snarl right?

A for effort from fantoys for these. Looks like a LOT of people are getting iffy about Scoria taking so long to come out.

Denyer
2014-05-27, 09:15 PM
IIRC the delay is to make sure quality control is in place, so can't fault them on that.

All of the producers are going to lose out if they rapidly make lots of large releases, though.

Wonder if those two will be the only ones with toy distinct decos as well. Not much difference between Grimlock/Sludge and Snarl right?
Not much difference with Scoria either -- put a black head in, maybe another set of horns, and the body is mostly the same.

Clearer communication on the toy deco (and maybe assurance the Grimlock platform shoes would be available separately) would also get more people to buy in, I think.

Knightdramon
2014-05-28, 09:02 PM
I think that's what is supposed to change on Scoria---black head, red horns and maybe something on the dino head---do not know about that last one.

I'm just waiting to see how it looks, no great attachment to either scheme, though I prefer the black head in this case. Red head with that gloss blue eyes appears a bit tacky.

I haven't had any preorders put in so I can't comment on it, but some people are really losing their heads over at tfw2005 for the delays. Some guy also more or less said that FT is jumping the gun because BBTS put up preorders for Snarl before Scoria is even out.

:lol: the same BBTS who put out a preorder for MP Magnus, with a totally made up price, 1.5 years before release date.

Clay
2014-06-14, 12:47 AM
Warbotron 03, Not-Computron (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/warbotron-wb03-unofficial-masterpiece-scaled-computron-180232/)

Quite like the MakeToys Quantron more. For those not counting, this is unofficial Computron #2, to be preceded numerically by Warbotron 02, unofficial Menasor #2.

I don't mind the multiplicity of choice, but can't we get a third party Liokaiser already? It'd still be cheaper than the original.

Denyer
2014-06-22, 12:35 AM
UniqueToys Cy-Kill homage...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.481226995340689.1073741855.314451078684949&type=1

http://i.imgur.com/DqCD3P3.jpg

ToyWorld Nemesis Orion...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.460012824128773.1073741852.314451078684949&type=3

http://i.imgur.com/L5YJdnL.jpg

PlanetX Sludge homage...

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/979289-planet-x-dinobot-sludge-44.html#post11198786

http://i.imgur.com/krr0CQu.jpg

FansProject Mindwipe homage...

http://i.imgur.com/69uB8B4.jpg

Need to see better pics on the last one, but do like all of them.

Knightdramon
2014-06-22, 08:19 AM
Orion in black looks nice. The original was too pink for my taste, it needed to be a much darker colour. Proportions are great except for the head--the entire figure would be better for me if it had longer and pointier antennae.

FOC Sludge looks nice, and is actually tempting to go after the whole set while Grimlock is still cheap. This entire set as a choice is actually cheaper [albeit smaller] than FT set.

Mindwipe does not look so great, but to be honest none of the other FX bots looked good at first to me, then I saw them transform and liked them a lot.

Search for toy dojo on facebook. They have some pictures of a very rough test shot from MMC's Nova Prime [inner robot only]. I've been waiting for that thing since last year, it's slated for a Q1 2015 release.

Still a long way off, but it will be mine :lol:

Denyer
2014-06-23, 10:44 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=786359521384246&set=a.573739832646217.1073741828.284302084923328&type=1

Slightly ironically didn't get any response to the last message I sent asking about buying something.

https://www.facebook.com/masterforceuk/photos/a.231471807002720.1073741828.222182447931656/335292133287353/?type=1

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/373385-uk-toy-discussion-8985.html#post11217617

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/373385-uk-toy-discussion-8983.html#post11217563

Suspect there'll be a few places offering pre-orders (no comment from Transbridge/Omegalock, probably means they'll continue to be my port of call for FT dinos) but best bet for smaller things is likely to be eBay and going via the US site to include overseas sellers. Touch wood not having too many issues with the latter route.

Clay
2014-06-24, 12:31 AM
Warbotron not-Brawl is already out in the wild, and here are some pictures of the production version of not-Swindle.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/warbotron-wb01-c-sly-strike-unofficial-swindle-180486/

Moving right along, it seems.

Denyer
2014-06-24, 06:23 PM
Mindwipe does not look so great, but to be honest none of the other FX bots looked good at first to me, then I saw them transform and liked them a lot.

Better pics. Liking him more.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/965100-fansproject-function-x4-mindwipe-41.html#post11218651

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/965100-fansproject-function-x4-mindwipe-40.html#post11209213

http://i.imgur.com/4tuiBMP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4tuiBMP.jpg

Clay
2014-06-24, 09:52 PM
Quantron preorders are up at BBTS (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MKT10016&mode=retail) and TFSource (http://tfsource.com/make-toys/quantron/).

Unicron
2014-06-25, 12:55 AM
Haven't seen anyone mention it yet in here so I have to ask, why on earth does this (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=mkt10017&mode=retail) exist?

Maybe I'm stupid (highly likely and that's unrelated to this) but I just don't see the point to what is basically a $400 third party Metroplex when the recent Generations one can still be had for a lot less.

Warcry
2014-06-25, 01:33 AM
Judging by the proportions, this is aimed at the five people who threw a hissy-fit because Generations Metroplex wasn't based on the hideous, bulky FoC design.

(To the designers' credit, if that is the look they were going for they've improved on the source material.)

Knightdramon
2014-06-25, 06:19 AM
Because it's maketoys.

They're very good [judging from what they pump out on their own] and somewhat recently released this toy catalogue which pretty much said they'll go on and do their own toyline.

Said toyline is based on characters from an official franchise, nevertheless, but they seemed adamant about going on with it :lol:

Pretty much every thread I've seen about metroplex now [hasbro] mentions very loose ratchet knees--this one is said to fix on such issues and have much better quality on the joints.

Maketoys does have a gift---if they're producing [or are very close to producing] 3 characters I don't give a damn about [Devastator, Computron, Metroplex] and making me consider dropping 300+ USD on each of them, then it means they're good ;)

Thunderwave
2014-06-25, 01:39 PM
Haven't seen anyone mention it yet in here so I have to ask, why on earth does this (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=mkt10017&mode=retail) exist?

Maybe I'm stupid (highly likely and that's unrelated to this) but I just don't see the point to what is basically a $400 third party Metroplex when the recent Generations one can still be had for a lot less.

Because, to be blunt, in a lot of ways that one is better. The Hasbro Metroplex has a number of issues. If it wasn't $400 I'd consider it as a replacement. Anything over about $150 and it starts really, significantly cutting into my other hobbies.

inflatable dalek
2014-06-25, 03:09 PM
For three times as much I should bloomin' well hope it's better. For that sort of money I'd at least expect to be felated by it.

Denyer
2014-06-25, 05:59 PM
Consider picking up the UniqueToys head set for the Hasbro/Takara one instead, it makes a huge difference IMO. Larger, better proportions, bigger antennae. Also comes with some extra small weapons.

http://tfsource.com/uniquetoys/metropolis-kit/

http://i.imgur.com/R0vYq7z.jpg

Denyer
2014-06-29, 02:24 PM
In for Quantron. And the more in-hand pics of Scoria surface the more I'm liking the red deco Canadian Slag style; it'll look fine next to a toy colours Soar.

Correction to an earlier statement -- Omegalock aren't coming to AutoAssembly as a dealer, just as fans. They're sponsoring something at the event.

Knightdramon
2014-06-30, 07:01 PM
Still weighing the options for Computron.

Giant [Devastator] seems solid altogether, and is available years later at a discount at kapow.

Maybe Computron will follow suit.

Maketoys Guardian [Defensor] though...that's pre-preordered :lol:

Osku
2014-07-05, 10:08 AM
Better pics. Liking him more.
http://i.imgur.com/4tuiBMP.jpg
I finally managed to get my Weirwolf and I'm pleased. Bought it from Kapow toys clearance (thanks for the tip).

Mindwipe is definitely on my watch list now. Wouldn't mind a Fangry retool either.

--

IIRC people were recommending Unique Toys Mania King (Galvatron). This new release seems to be the version to get, yes?
http://www.allspark.com/content/2014/06/mania-king-doubles-the-mania-with-a-vintage-style-recolour/

Denyer
2014-07-05, 11:12 AM
Both look pretty good. Mostly toned down purple and metallic orange on the cannon. If I was particularly a fan of the sculpt / character, I'd probably try to pick up a V1 whilst/if people were selling them on.

V1: http://i.imgur.com/xLLtiIh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xLLtiIh.jpg

V2: http://i.imgur.com/aG9PioG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aG9PioG.jpg

Clay
2014-07-05, 03:14 PM
Have the first iteration and am happy with it. Never understood the wailing and gnashing of teeth that accompanied the first release's color set.

I will say that Unique Toys did an absolutely excellent job getting Galvatron's cartoon model to turn into his alternate mode. Didn't really consider it the best candidate to be translated into toy form, but sure enough, they did it.

Ryan F
2014-07-05, 03:16 PM
Another big difference is the shade of grey used on V1, which was far too white for my liking, and the reason I originally held off buying the figure.

Denyer
2014-07-09, 06:43 PM
Other than missing the headlamp, which I've mailed Transbridge/Omegalock about (came like that in sealed packaging) "not Cy-Kill" has come out really well; the guns can mount on the shoulders and wheels attach to the thighs.

Box artwork's surprisingly nifty and a bit art deco.

Clay
2014-07-10, 12:29 AM
Got Warbot Ron not-Brawl yesterday: he's nifty! And for as many tank robots as have been made, I think this is the first that actually features the turret barrel as a hand-held weapon for the robot. All others just have them hanging off the back or over the shoulder.

Tantrum
2014-07-10, 01:28 AM
G1 Quake could use his turret as a pistol. Of course, that's assuming you didn't lose the turret after putting his purple targetmaster in its place. I still have my turret, but lost the black targetmaster.

Clay
2014-07-10, 01:40 AM
Ah yes, Quake! So... that's two?

Tantrum
2014-07-10, 02:46 AM
I just remembered Generations Skullgrin (and whoever he was remolded from), though that's using the turret as the handle for a melee weapon rather than as the turret for a gun.

There's also a Generations Megatron, the one that came in a two-pack with a horrible Optimus, whose turret becomes an arm-mounted cannon (without detaching). That's not quite a hand-held weapon, but he doesn't actually have a hand on that arm. This figure has sitting on my computer as I typed this, as well as the Quake post, yet I didn't think of him until now.

Thunderwave
2014-07-10, 10:46 AM
Animated Shockwave and the tank minicon from Generations Minicon assault team can hold his cannon in his hand.

There are also all the Megatrons who use their tank cannon as an arm cannon, as well as Movie Brawl and Classics Galvatron. Also while not 100% a tank, Classics Brawl's cannons become arm mounted.

Clay
2014-07-10, 07:37 PM
Fansproject not-Midewipe is finally up for preorder. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10043&mode=retail) And surprise! Fansproject Dinobots! (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10044&mode=retail)

Denyer
2014-07-10, 07:47 PM
edit: Ah, Clay got there first, should've hit post a lot earlier...

FansProject are also doing Dinobots... not really feeling it, although as an ordinary retail release would probably go for them.

http://tformers.com/fansproject-lost-exo-realm-ler-01-columpio-with-derpan-third-party-not-sludge-with-axe-minicon/24138/news.html

http://i.imgur.com/HY6hLi7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HY6hLi7.jpg

Clay
2014-07-10, 08:08 PM
Having not previously bit into the various Masterpiece-sized not-Dinobots, and these being half the cost, they have my attention. Not fussed about them being smaller than the other offerings: voyager size is big enough.

Osku
2014-07-10, 08:13 PM
So, I assume those are about FOC Grimlock size?

Clay
2014-07-10, 08:19 PM
Should be, more or less. Closer to that than Masterpiece Grimlock.

Denyer
2014-07-10, 08:36 PM
Having not previously bit into the various Masterpiece-sized not-Dinobots, and these being half the cost,
Over here the "regular" price is a hike up from the FP headmasters, and we've been getting some decent deals on the significantly larger FT ones. It helps that MP scale dinos should work well as a back row of a display, too.

Voyager is indeed generally a sweet spot in terms of size of detail.

Also, holy shit I know this is based on an obscure text story but I'm a sucker for prehistoric sea creatures; if it was a kronosaurus I'd be jumping up and down, and as is I might be seeking this out...

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/993798-mechaform-mf-02-paddle-3rd-party-dinobot-paddles.html

http://i.imgur.com/xcXSZFj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xcXSZFj.jpg

Clay
2014-07-10, 09:05 PM
Paddles? That's... awesome.

Denyer
2014-07-10, 09:47 PM
More of the buggers...

http://tformers.com/mechaform-mf-03-gunk-mf-04-sneer-and-mf-05-plunge-renders-of-third-party-sludge-snarl-and-swoop/24141/news.html

So that makes FansToys (MP scale); Planet X (FoC, deluxe scale); Bullsfire (MP scale); Gigapower (bigger than MP scale); Mechaform (?); Fansproject (voyager scale).

Have I missed anyone else that's doing third-party Dinobots?

Clay
2014-07-11, 12:09 AM
Hasbro is also doing a bunch of dinobots for the movie. Oh, you mean third party dinobots.

Yeah, we're drowning in choice at the moment. Here's hoping multiple third party groups haven't shot themselves in the foot financially by all doing dinobots at the same time. Several of these groups are new, I think... it'd be a shame for design talent to get screwed by circumstance.

Animated Shockwave and the tank minicon from Generations Minicon assault team can hold his cannon in his hand.

There are also all the Megatrons who use their tank cannon as an arm cannon, as well as Movie Brawl and Classics Galvatron. Also while not 100% a tank, Classics Brawl's cannons become arm mounted.

Ah, so that's four! Yeah, I meant figures that use the barrel as a hand-held weapon. I'm omitting integrated weapons like shoulder cannons and arm guns. :)

Ryan F
2014-07-12, 10:37 AM
... And G1 Bludgeon, of course.

I've got Scoria, and he's excellent. I also like the look of the FP versions too, and will likely get those as well. Not convinced about any of the others, I'm afraid.

Knightdramon
2014-07-12, 03:49 PM
I like the FT versions more to be honest. They look like definitive, once in a lifetime versions.

The FP toys [review of their sludge is now up by peaugh in the most annoying "fun" video he ever shot] look like...don't know, missing something.

The FOC dinos also look nice [both of them, so far] and cheaper than all the rest.

Denyer
2014-07-12, 04:46 PM
The vids make him look less busy, although not digging the dinosaur head in the con-exclusive gold chrome version and not sure it'd look better without. Reminds me a bit of the Prime "Rage of the Dinobots" ones (well, they're sort of mid-way between FP and FoC).

Might be tempted if they're around at AA, since Sludge doesn't get enough love.

Denyer
2014-07-12, 10:34 PM
TFcon 3rd party panel news:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/994094-tfcon-2014-third-party-panel.html

edit:

Lots of slides...

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tfcon-2014-3rd-party-panel-part-1-180694/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tfcon-2014-3rd-party-panel-part-2-180695/

(Pretty good round-up of most of what 3P stuff is around these days.)

edit2:

Looking through that lot, definitely not a fan of the other FP Dinobots (Slag, Swoop) revealed in colour there, although the Sludge is growing on me. The Skullcruncher homage is different, but I'm liking it in Alligator mode and would like to see colours on it (and glad to see the Function X Headmasters continuing, plus more realistic pricing if the Kapow pre-order for Sigma L is anything to go by). Nothing else particularly jumps out, but the KFC Scorponok style cassette is cute.

Impressed that someone's having a crack at doing the DJD. :)

edit3:

Missed that silhouetted "Firing Pin" Impactor. Doesn't look as sharp as the iGear one teased a year or two ago, but prepared to keep an open mind...

Denyer
2014-07-13, 09:19 AM
Fansproject transformation vids:

Not Hardhead -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8JFolcpE5U
Not Apeface -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqHiSjoAOY
Not Highbrow -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foPKo1pDQz0

Oddly, haven't spotted a colour pic or vid of Skullcruncher yet.

http://i.imgur.com/70PJAbz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/70PJAbz.jpg

numbat
2014-07-13, 06:47 PM
Skullcruncher could be great. Really digging Paddles - I remember being taken by him in the story he was in as a kid. Could go for him - not like the character will ever see an official release. But I'm confused by the sheet number of 3rd party Dinobots. Who's he made by and what scale / size class is he at?

Clay
2014-07-13, 06:53 PM
The floodgates have opened again...

Too much to comment on, but I like Maketoys Defensor. I also like the TFC Defensor, or at least what's been shown so far. I suppose preference will boil down to who comes up with a better solution for the ladder hanging off the back of the combined mode.

Pendinus (scorponok) is huge.

Denyer
2014-07-13, 07:09 PM
Skullcruncher could be great. Really digging Paddles - I remember being taken by him in the story he was in as a kid. Could go for him - not like the character will ever see an official release. But I'm confused by the sheet number of 3rd party Dinobots. Who's he made by and what scale / size class is he at?
Relatively new folk, same lot that did the big Jetfire/Skyfire.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1641823999375972&set=a.1401483310076710.1073741827.100006451639184&type=1

^According to that, CHUG scale and about 25cm tall; largish voyager. Robot mode (as with the creature) is essentially an updated original except the neck works for this whereas it looks a bit odd on Sludge.

Has quite a Zoids look, doesn't it?

Clay
2014-07-15, 01:12 AM
Some good news is that Talon (Divebomb) is getting close to release. (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/635101-mmc-feral-rex-mega-thread-715.html#post11320059) Not sure what the hold up was... numerically, he should have been the first one of the group released.

Can we have a third party Liokaiser now?

Knightdramon
2014-07-15, 09:51 AM
WTF, Divebomb is still not out? Damn, thought he came out early July.

Really liking what I see announced/upcoming from MMC.

DJD [or approximations], Feral Rex...only thing troubling me is that there were no news on their fabulous one-click purchase Nova Prime.

Maketoys Defensor is an instant buy. Defensor was my first and currently only complete surviving G1 Gestalt.

Headmasters by FP look ace. Simplistic retro designs with very intricate transformations. Kind of surprised they are not pushing Nightbeat to come out sooner--he's more popular than nearly all of them that are now out, or announced so far.

Clay
2014-07-17, 01:48 AM
Toyworld's Throttlebot combiner project is coming closer to fruition. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/toyworlds-throttlebots-combined-mode-revealed-180721/)

It had seemed that the project had stalled out after two figures were released and then they started making headmasters, but it's back on again and looks rather nice. I am okay with this and hope to see it completed.

Denyer
2014-07-20, 10:18 AM
Stumbled on this from January... which suggests Planet X are also thinking about Paddles.

https://www.facebook.com/planet.x.universe/photos/a.554385741295246.1073741839.398966060170549/618475968219556/?type=1

(They're not committed to making a full set of FoC dinos though, AFAIK.)

Clay
2014-07-21, 02:10 AM
Warbotron Swindle in color. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/in-hand-images-of-warbotron-sly-strike-swindle-180746/)

SOON.

Ryan F
2014-07-21, 04:20 PM
Really digging the individual bots for this, but the combined mode is still keeping me from pulling the trigger.

Say what you like about TFC Hercules, but at least it proved that it's possible to have a combiner arm that isn't made out of gappy robot thighs.

Clay
2014-07-22, 10:24 PM
Hmm. Well, it has to do with how the legs are formed, too. In the case of Hercules, Bonecrusher and Scavenger have their legs at full length under the vehicle, so they don't have to shorten down. Superion and this Bruticus, however, all have their legs telescope up/down to make their alternate modes. Since their legs are already at the minimum horizontal width for the vehicle mode, they can't have an extra swivel in the hips like Hercules' has that leaves the combined mode's elbows flush.

But some companies have overcome it... the Maketoys Computron has little panels with pistons that fit over the elbow gaps. I don't know if they're part of the figure folded out or just orphaned pieces that fit into the gestalt and do nothing otherwise, though.

Clay
2014-07-25, 08:56 PM
Prometheus #3 - not Hot Spot (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/tfc-toys-prometheus-unofficial-hotspot-color-images-180799/).

Pretty truck mode. Robot is a bit bulky in places, but that's probably for good effect elsewhere.

Also, Warbot Ron Sly Strike (Swindle) has come into stock at BBTS, as has Mech Ideas Gauntlet (Ironfist)!.

Denyer
2014-08-03, 11:22 AM
X2 Impactor design is coming along... pretty sure the spikes are optional (edit: apparently, from the other photo) and hopefully they'll do multiple heads if that's the standard one...

https://www.facebook.com/transbridge.omegalock/photos/a.411035025693220.1073741843.314451078684949/501075076689214/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/kapowtoys.co.uk/photos/a.573739832646217.1073741828.284302084923328/805397062813825/?type=1

Denyer
2014-08-09, 11:35 PM
Phone pics I took without flash didn't really come out, so will spare you those, but saw the prototype earlier today and it does make for a nicely detailed deluxe class figure. Will probably get one to go with Jumpstarters and Lost Light crew rather than with larger Wreckers.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/990648-x2toys-xt-006-firing-pin-not-impactor-3.html#post11460445
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/373385-uk-toy-discussion-2389.html#post11462083

Clay
2014-08-10, 04:19 AM
Another day, another new company with a new Dinobot set. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gcreations-shura-king-dinobots-combiner-team-180931/) This time they combine, and it looks... not bad.

Unicron
2014-08-10, 01:52 PM
Oh goody, the Beast. Just what we need.

Nice looking Impactor though.

Cliffjumper
2014-08-10, 04:01 PM
Eh... bit overdetailed for my tastes, would prefer Marvel to IDW on plain looks :(

Warcry
2014-08-10, 05:30 PM
Eh... bit overdetailed for my tastes
Yeah. This describes a good 90% of the third-party robots out there, IMO. A lot of designers seem to think that including as much surface detail and greebles as possible into a design is the way to make things look good. Most of them look like something designed by a first-year design student trying to show off how they've mastered CAD software by cramming in as much as they can on a design, without stopping to ask whether they should. The end result just looks busy though, with none of the artistry that a really good toy sculpt should have.

The other 10% can produce some really nice toys (like that Slag everyone's been raving about -- they did a beautiful job making it look like an official MP) but I don't think Impactor here is one of them. Honestly, I think I liked the prettied-up Generations Warpath bootleg that iGear teased a couple years ago better.

Denyer
2014-08-11, 07:07 AM
Just a quickie; one of the (no-photo) reveals at the AA 3P panel yesterday was the rumoured MMC Turmoil remould into Impactor, large voyager scale. Some of the presentation slides have now been shared. It'll be coming with a harpoon as well as the drill pictured.

https://www.facebook.com/kapowtoys.co.uk/posts/810035122350019

http://i.imgur.com/gsCRWte.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gsCRWte.jpg

Semi-decent snap of the X2 Firing Pin deluxe, which I kind of prefer but doesn't scale to most of the 3P and voyager Wreckers already released.

http://i.imgur.com/SaqWUFs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SaqWUFs.jpg

Knightdramon
2014-08-22, 09:13 PM
F*ck this now Warden is on my buying list again (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/999606-perfect-effect-pe-dx03-ew-warden-upgrade-kit.html)

Unicron
2014-08-22, 09:56 PM
F*ck this now Warden is on my buying list again (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/999606-perfect-effect-pe-dx03-ew-warden-upgrade-kit.html)

On the plus side, leg guns.
But am I the only one thinking how stupid it is to have to release an 'upgrade kit' to fix a pretty blatant design mistake, which also throws off the proportions of the figure?

Denyer
2014-08-23, 09:16 AM
The toy's neat as is, they've just listened to feedback and can do something to enhance it as a kit rather than double-dipping as a re-release that'd piss off existing owners.

Knightdramon
2014-08-23, 11:29 AM
Yeah, on one hand, it does look like a dick-ish move, on the other hand, this probably was not planned at all and just came from the feedback from buyers.

Either way, got to figure a way to shift a Warden in my purchasing schedule now. Damn and it was all going so smoothly...

Knightdramon
2014-08-23, 02:22 PM
Quanton advance reviews

Individuals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toFbOTag-Y)

Combining and gestalt mode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qRs9BGhtBI)

Note that these are late test shots and the reviewer had no instructions.

Even with that in mind, they look...fiddly. Haven't watched the whole thing but dislike that the main torso bot's half alt mode is a detachable robot mode weapon.

Please make Guardia more solid than what I'm seeing here...please.

Clay
2014-08-25, 02:09 PM
Haven't watched the whole thing but dislike that the main torso bot's half alt mode is a detachable robot mode weapon.


In fairness, that's better than the original Scattershot. He just had a big gun hanging off his back doing nothing. Computron had that and giant engines attached to the back of the knees.

Knightdramon
2014-09-03, 08:49 PM
Looks like MMC's Felisabre is not as exclusive as advertised. Preorders are up at BBTS, TFSource AND Kapow Toys, all with early bird.

:up:

Denyer
2014-09-03, 09:37 PM
Yeah, still not interested in Feral Rex but I think Catilla would go nicely with the Wreckers/Survivors.

Clay
2014-09-04, 03:52 AM
I'm down with that. Although the expected release date of December is a long shot at best.

Apparently he also comes with different colored hooves for Tantrum... why? Were his feet red in the media somewhere?

Knightdramon
2014-09-04, 06:13 AM
I thought that the hooves were for the Rhino...but I can't remember his original name :D

Apparently on the first pics of the toy he was shown with red hooves, and then he came with black, and some people were unhappy. Now other people are unhappy that Felisabre is coming with these extras :lol:

Knightdramon
2014-09-04, 07:47 PM
Colour pictures of Blue Soar [Swoop] from FT now up

And looks GREAT (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fans-toys-soar-cartoon-version-colored-prototype-images-181085/)

Only thing worrying me is the multitude of joints on the dino legs and all the weight they will carry.

Denyer
2014-09-04, 08:45 PM
Are they doing the toy colours version at roughly the same time?

Knightdramon
2014-09-04, 09:24 PM
Yeah, although I can understand why they showcased this one first.

If I recall correctly, toy version has some more paint apps as well.

MMC is also coming out with a Black Azalea/Arcee/whichever for an overseas convention in Malaysia.

"Exclusive" repaints of figures that aren't even released yet somehow baffle me, like that FT Sludge this summer.

The black arcee is stated to be 500 units in production. Probably one will fly our way one way or another. Artwork was impressive even if the mould doesn't really say much from the one messy video review available.

Clay
2014-09-05, 11:07 AM
....And here's Abominus! (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10013&mode=retail) From the company that made that nifty Galvatron and one of the Predaking sets.

numbat
2014-09-05, 11:20 AM
Wow - that looks extremely awesome! Shame about the very painful price for just one component...

Unicron
2014-09-05, 08:22 PM
That actually doesn't look bad. I question the wisdom of making the first release in the set be Blot but what do I know, I don't sell this sort of thing

Ryan F
2014-09-06, 06:18 PM
The combined mode has weird proportions; it's knees look way to high, for one thing.