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inflatable dalek
2013-09-11, 08:09 PM
With series 7 now over (after two years!) it's time for a new thread in the build up to the 50 anniversary! Probably sensible to cover the regeneration episode in here as well as Capaldi's first season won't be starting till next Autumn...

Full details of what stuff the beeb are doing for the 50th (though since the initial announcement they've removed mention of a BBC4 repeat of An Unearthly Child whilst "Rights issues" are being sorted out. Cue a worrying number of fans adding that to the missing episodes Omnirumour who are assuming they're going to show The Savages instead):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/day-of-the-doctor.html

It's nice there's a good range of tie in shows covering all the possible bases from kids to die hard old school fans. A nice (Bad Wolf adorned!) poster as well. Despite the "Tennant's hair" speculation it's caused (based on all the screengrabs people have been throwing about I'd say it's just a slightly longer version of how it was in The Runaway Bride.

Despite a lacklustre season 7 (not much hugely bad but a lot of it was just OKish), The Name of the Doctor was a surprise return to form and it's got bloody John Hurt in it (they couldn't be trying hard to get Cliffy to watch it could they? I doubt it'll work though), so I'm looking forward to this.

in other anniversary stuff, it looks as if the little comedy film Peter Davison is making himself had him, Colin and Sylvester "Protesting" outsdie TV centre over not being in the special.

There are also photos from Smith's currently filming last episode doing the rounds, revealing Clara will be wearing a nice tartan skirt.

Ryan F
2013-09-11, 09:00 PM
I heard the problem with An Unearthly Child was the scene of the Doctor smoking a pipe - don't want the kiddywinks copying that now, do we?!!!

Yeah, it's a really nice spread of stuff, although, y'know, a full season would have been nice, instead of just the ass end of last year's run.

The last series was a bit hit-n-miss for me too (although Hide and The Crimson Horror were great, I thought) - hopefully Matt gets a good send-off.

What I'm most looking forward to, however, is An Adventure in Time and Space, which for me trumps the actual episodes in terms of pending excitement levels!

Skyquake87
2013-09-12, 07:48 AM
A Tartan skirt?! No way!!!

I'm a bit puzzled with the apparent kerfuffle around 'An Unearthly Child' - its been available on VHS/ DVD for years and has been aired on iPlayer...so what's the problem now?

Surely it can't be the pipe thing. Viewers are smart enough to recognise that this is a programme from fifty bloody years ago and society has changed and smoking is now a dangerous and subversive activity, like going into a porn shop. Feel dirty peasants!

Bizarre. But then the BBC, much as I love it, does do some very silly things a lot of the time for fear of causing offense to viewers. Although huge pay-offs to outgoing staff isn't offensive at all, apparently...

Like Ryan, I am very excited by the BBC4 'An Adventure In Time And Space' - although I will be disappointed as it probably wont be like Gatiss Doctor Who Night sketch about how Doctor Who really came about...

Also Briiiian Cox ("keep the camera on me, Gary")

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/building-a-time-machine-%E2%80%9Cis-possible%E2%80%9D-claims-professor-brian-cox-101027889.html#yo5sMWS

Denyer
2013-09-12, 05:58 PM
Despite a lacklustre season 7 (not much hugely bad but a lot of it was just OKish), The Name of the Doctor was a surprise return to form

Seriously?

Not keen on the grandstanding and yet another "epic" threat, personally, although the last segment was alright. Rings of Akhaten, Cold War, Hide and Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS was a decent run I enjoyed as much as parts of the first Matt Smith series (whereas I'd skip a lot in-between).

inflatable dalek
2013-09-12, 07:07 PM
Seriously?

Yep, whilst it was exactly the same plot as The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song (an elaborate trap for the Doctor winds up nearly destroying the Universe) it rattled along, had some nice bits for all the regulars and mostly made sense (within the parameters set out by the story anyway, most of the season finals couldn't even manage that) for a change.

Not keen on the grandstanding and yet another "epic" threat, personally, although the last segment was alright. Rings of Akhaten, Cold War, Hide and Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS was a decent run I enjoyed as much as parts of the first Matt Smith series (whereas I'd skip a lot in-between).

Seriously? ;)

Of those I'd say Cold War was by far the best, I can't actually remember anything about Hide other than Jeff Goldblum being in it and the whole thing being Sapphire and Steel Assignment 2 and the whole stupid brothers plot let down Journey. And Rings would be much better if edited down to the 20 minute episode it so obviously was (lengthy scenes of singing, flashbacks to stuff that happened five minutes earlier, generally languid pacing...).


A Tartan skirt?! No way!!!

It's very Tara King, which is nice.


Also Briiiian Cox ("keep the camera on me, Gary")

Though based on that he must have gotten his notes mixed up and accidentally given his lecture on the science of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, which, IIRC, actually did do that form of time travel.

Like the two esteemed above posters, I'm really looking forward to Adventure as well. Such a shame they didn't take up Mark Gattis' suggestion of using the cast and sets to remake Marco Polo for BBC 4. though at least we'll be getting bits of recreated missing episodes.

Skyquake87
2013-09-13, 08:12 AM
apparently, no rights issues with 'An Unearthly Child' - its being remastered ooooooh

inflatable dalek
2013-09-13, 11:23 PM
But they already remastered it!

I mean, technically the DVD remasters don't actually belong to the BBC (instead being owned by 2Entertain. Or Worldwide, or whatever the company is called this week), but as they had no trouble showing the DVD version of The Hand of Fear when Lis Sladen died it's odd they're having trouble now.

Unless it's a smokescreen for that Web of Fear remaster!

It isn't. If nothing else, even if a load of missing episodes have been found, they're not-not going to show the very first episode as part of the celebrations. I'm just mildly surprised the first episode of Corrie got shown on prime-time ITV1 (or whatever they're calling it this week) to good ratings for their 50th but the BBC are relegating Who to BBC 4 (I could understand the other three episodes being on four, but the first would at the very least have made a nice follow up to An Adventure... on BBC2. Are ITV really that more open to old black and white shows?).

And for those annoyed that American and Australia have had year long repeat runs of classic episodes, the Yank series of repeats and documentaries are coming to the UK! On... err Watch. I'm not sure if that's better or worse than being on BBC America. I'm going to guess worse.

And just for Skyquake:

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/first-xmas-filming-pics-smith-in-the-wig-53043.htm

Skyquake87
2013-09-14, 06:15 AM
Aww, Jenna Louise Coleman is a little babe, isn't she?

Didn't know Smith wore a wig...but then he has shaved his head.

And! An advert for a complete Seventh Series boxset - yay! I'd been holding out for this. A shame it wont include Smith's final episode, or the special in November...got get this thing out in time for that all important Christmas market..!


I took the remastering thing on face value, tbh. 2Entertain are doing this for trhe Blu-Rays anyway. I am sure it will all be fine.

I suspect the Beeb aren't quite so willing to throw a whole night's telly on one channel for any programme anymore. It would be nice if everything was in one place, as it does seem like everything is a bit all over the place, but I can't see them putting Casualty and Strictly fans noses out of joint by clogging BBC1 up with a whole night of Who. You would think they'd be proud of celebrating what is their most successful television show.

inflatable dalek
2013-09-15, 08:21 PM
We're actually lock the boxset has the Widow and the Wardrobe in it, as it was originally announced without it (and the beeb were then surprised when people were upset the complete series 7 boxset didn't have all of series 7 in it).

Skyquake87
2013-09-15, 08:58 PM
really? didn't know that. why would they not include TDTWATW? silly boos.

inflatable dalek
2013-09-16, 07:14 AM
Apparently they thought it shouldn't be included as it had already been released by itself. Which is slightly odd logic as all the episodes had already been released previously anyway. Plus, the American version was always going to include it. I suspect someone just forgot. Still, all sorted now.

Skyquake87
2013-10-20, 10:06 AM
Loads of 'Save The Day' trailers now popping up on the beeb, including this rather lovely trailer which made sitting through a bit of Strictly worth it (will someone put Bruce out of his misery,please?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRy2N2CMhQ

Denyer
2013-10-20, 01:24 PM
Some photos for An Adventure in Time and Space:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/10/photos-released-for-doctor-who-telefilm-an-adventure-in-space-and-time/

Skyquake87
2013-10-20, 04:25 PM
Ah yes, I've seen those in this month's Doctor Who magazine. The likenesses in the actors is quite eerie... i love the '1960s tint' the photos have and hope the finished film looks as good :)

inflatable dalek
2013-10-21, 08:11 AM
Loads of 'Save The Day' trailers now popping up on the beeb, including this rather lovely trailer which made sitting through a bit of Strictly worth it (will someone put Bruce out of his misery,please?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRy2N2CMhQ

It has grown on me, but initially I was annoyed at what felt like the anti-80's-well anit-everything between Baker1 and Tennant really- bias (fair enough, Bill as the first, Matt as the current and Tom as still the official face of the series despite the last 8 years being most prominent makes sense, but is Sarah Jane really a bigger part of the show than half the actors who've played the title role? Poor old Colin and Sylvester don't even get their faces on screen! Mind, neither does Troughton but then, I suppose he was hardly popular either, right?).

Still, there's lots of nice stuff hidden in there (the robot parrot!) and that's a kicking version of the theme, and I suppose in terms of 80's-ness having that extermination from Remembrance being so prominent was pretty cool. Nice that Davison and McGann added to the voiceover as well (though Davison's "All my lives" echo is fairly distinctively him, I can't spot Paul on there. I guess when he'd tweeted he'd been practising matching Smith's voice for a gig he must have done a really good job of it. And as a thanks for taking part they hide him behind an Ood).

Some photos for An Adventure in Time and Space:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/10/photos-released-for-doctor-who-telefilm-an-adventure-in-space-and-time/

Lovely recreations, though oddly Bill's scarf being that colour feels wrong even though there's nothing to say what it would have looked like out of black and white.

You can really see how much older Bradley is that Hartnell was though. I think if Hartnell and Sidney Newman were still alive they'd be pissed at the decades put on them (it's odd to think that is a strange parallel Universe where Bradley had been cast in The Five Doctors instead of Hurdnell he'd have been closer to the right age then than he is now).

I'm not sure Barbara should be kind of hot though.

Denyer
2013-10-21, 06:45 PM
But JH was the star in terms of characterisation... well, of stuff I've seen, anyway. Bit influenced by having read more books about the Hartnell era than seen episodes.

David Bradley does look much older at the console than that rather awesome standalone press photo... but looking forward to this more than the anniversary show.

inflatable dalek
2013-10-22, 07:43 AM
Oh yes, there's so much potential, especially with it going up to the arrival of Troughton.

Thanks to the Tenth Planet DVD I've seen the one and only surviving Hartnell interview that Bradley got to see before anyone else to help with his characterisation, and it's a wonderful watch. Partly because it emphasises the extent to which the Doctor was just a performance rather than an increasingly dodgery old man wandering about the set. The mannerisms and very precise manner of speaking are very unDoctorish and make me even keener to see his Abbott.

The other reason it's awesome is how fantastically grumpy he is. In three minutes he spends a third slagging off the Daleks and the rest slagging off pantomime and declaring he's not a pantomime type of actor.

In a fluff piece to promote his appearance in pantomime. It's brilliant.

Denyer
2013-10-22, 06:58 PM
What do you reckon the odds are of the last episode turning up, and is the animated reconstruction any good?

inflatable dalek
2013-10-22, 07:58 PM
The odds are slightly less good than many episodes as it didn't sell widely abroad (it's actually amazing how many countries went straight from whatever the last Hartnell they brought was to Troughton's second story, skipping the changeover. I know there were issues with selling the Daleks abroad but that must have been a mind **** for foreign viewers). Mind, we shouldn't have any Masterplan episodes at all so you never know.

I haven't had chance to sit down and watch the episodes yet, but if it's up to the standards of The Ice Warriors it'll be perfectly serviceable.

inflatable dalek
2013-10-26, 07:23 PM
Now I've got Sky I've been able to watch one of the anniversary documentaries that were good enough for Americans but not the BBC that Watch have brought up.

The 5th Doctor one was actually fairly nice, entirely entry level fluff but well done fluff. Unusually positive for a take on '80's Who as well, you can tell the BBC proper didn't make it.

It might have been a mistake to precede a repeat of Earthshock with a documentary that talked so much about the end of Earthshock though.

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-10-26, 09:08 PM
I think I'm going to have catch up on Dr. Who, I haven't watched the series regularly since series 2 ended. I've watched an episode here or there.

What is the name of special with Tennat and Davidson? I've seen it and would like to watch it on Youtube again. Davidson (and McGann but since he only got one TV movie and I got it on DVD) is the only one out of the classic Doctors that I seem to be able to watch and enjoy.

Skyquake87
2013-10-27, 09:25 AM
Time Crash is the thing you're thinking of :) its a short little skit done for Comic Relief in 2007.

Skyquake87
2013-10-27, 09:27 AM
Now I've got Sky I've been able to watch one of the anniversary documentaries that were good enough for Americans but not the BBC that Watch have brought up.

The 5th Doctor one was actually fairly nice, entirely entry level fluff but well done fluff. Unusually positive for a take on '80's Who as well, you can tell the BBC proper didn't make it.

It might have been a mistake to precede a repeat of Earthshock with a documentary that talked so much about the end of Earthshock though.

Oh, what sky channel are those on? - i didn't know about these.

inflatable dalek
2013-10-27, 11:51 AM
Watch, as I understand it they're on every Saturday afternoon between now and the anniversary.

Skyquake87
2013-10-27, 03:09 PM
Ta :)

inflatable dalek
2013-10-30, 10:25 AM
Ah, as simple maths should have told me, they've moved up to more than one a week so as to get them all in before the anniversary, and Colin's has been in my Sky digi-box-recorder-thing for a couple of days now.

The positivity really is insane, The Coat* is "Legendary" and The Trial of a Time Lord was his finest hour. His departure was then almost completely glossed over (and indeed, may not have been mentioned at all as I quickly went to grab my cuppa thinking "Best get it before the bit they really can't gloss over comes up" only to come back three seconds later to find the show over. I don't think they mentioned the suspension either actually). You can really, really tell this is not a BBC proper documentary.







*I had always assumed they kept the bloody thing throughout his time on the show despite the feedback because the cost of having made three of them meant they had to get good use out of the thing. So I was surprised when the Trial DVD mentioned they had to make him an entirely new coat for series 23 because of the extra weight he'd put on in the 18 months.

Now, love it or hate it, and there are some who really love it, if you're challenged with "Fixing" Doctor Who and you're having to replace one of the most derided parts of the last season anyway, why on Earth would you model the new costume as closely as possible on the old one when it'd be almost the easiest of the perceived problems to sort out. I think JN-T was really hurtling towards self destruction at this point.

Skyquake87
2013-10-30, 11:27 AM
Dunno, they didn't tend to vary the Doctor's costume much once they'd settled on a 'look'. In other news, seems I've missed nearly all of these and there's no repeats of them (oddly), so I'll have to keep an eye out for inevitable YouTube uploads.

I don't mind a bit of positivity thrown at Six. The BBCs extras on the 'Trial' boxset were really negative about the era and piss-takey of both the costume and Colin's performance in the role. I will admit that Trial was a grand folly and Colin's haircut and waistcoat in this series are pretty awful, as is Mel's debut (is she the only old companion without a proper introductory story, by the way? she's just there in Vervoids with little in the way of how she and the Doctor met) and its easily the weakest area of the show's run.

inflatable dalek
2013-10-30, 09:00 PM
IIRC when the DVD team were took to task about how mean spirited the Trial extras seemed they said they'd done the best they could considering how few good words anyone at the BBC outside the immediate production team (and indeed in it in the case of people like Eric Saward part of it) had to say about Colin and his era, and what they didn't include was far far worse. Including David Reid, otherwise the only real supporter of the show at the BBC at the time, being showing the AA report on Colin's first year and agreeing he'd have sacked the lead actor after reading that as well.

Mind, there's some serious ass covering across the DVD's of the later series from BBC management. My favourite being on Survival where one executive (Powell?) declaring getting rid of the show was a deliberate plan to bring it back 16 years later as the biggest thing on TV and all the show's current success was down to him.

The BBCA stuff seems to be mainly focusing on the character of each Doctor and avoiding behind the scenes stuff. What's really surprising is, for something made for America, is the complete lack of Americans. Outside the main cast all the talking heads are exactly the sort of people you'd expect to show up on a BBC4 show of this type.

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-10-31, 05:24 PM
IIRC when the DVD team were took to task about how mean spirited the Trial extras seemed they said they'd done the best they could considering how few good words anyone at the BBC outside the immediate production team (and indeed in it in the case of people like Eric Saward part of it) had to say about Colin and his era, and what they didn't include was far far worse. Including David Reid, otherwise the only real supporter of the show at the BBC at the time, being showing the AA report on Colin's first year and agreeing he'd have sacked the lead actor after reading that as well.

Mind, there's some serious ass covering across the DVD's of the later series from BBC management. My favourite being on Survival where one executive (Powell?) declaring getting rid of the show was a deliberate plan to bring it back 16 years later as the biggest thing on TV and all the show's current success was down to him.

The BBCA stuff seems to be mainly focusing on the character of each Doctor and avoiding behind the scenes stuff. What's really surprising is, for something made for America, is the complete lack of Americans. Outside the main cast all the talking heads are exactly the sort of people you'd expect to show up on a BBC4 show of this type.

Because while Dr. Who is more popular in America than ever I don't think it's reached to be considered in the same league with American sci-fi TV franchies like Star Trek, Stargate, and Battlestar Galactica by ssome sci-fi fans. I mean even The Transformers seem to have a bigger fanbase than Dr. Who does in the USA.

It's also not helped that a lot of the BBC TV shows (and ITV shows as well) don't find many homes in the states other than BBC America and PBS and both of those networks are considered to be "those snotty liberal Brits looking down on the USA" by many ultra right-wing conservatives.

While the BBC DVDs that I have got I would give most of them an A+ in the special features department, the prices are very high. At Best Buy Dr. Who: The Complete Series 1 (with Eccleston) still costs $60-$80! Wal-Mart doesn't carry a lot of BBC product for very long (I found the same the series for $20) and generally only when the store gets a BBC TV show in it's basically once-it's gone-it's-gone-for-good kind of deal and only when there is something big in the air, namely an anniversary or major movie with a hot actor (like they had a BBC TV show that Daniel Craig in it when Skyfall came out or the Peter Cushing Sherlock Holms TV series from the 60s when the RDJ Holmes movies were coming out, etc).

Also on the actors commentary on the Dr. Who TV movie, Sylvester McCoy made a comment about how many more American fans are coming to Dr. Who via Torchwood. I'm pretty sure that many US fans out there that consider Torchwood to be the better show because it's more "serious" and Dr. Who is more light-hearted fluff.

I think there is some truth to that.

Now I can speak for myself but I consider Dr. Who a upbeat and optimistic show that occasionally goes dark, I THINK that many American sci-fi fans who have grown up on a diet of dark and grim sci-fi shows like Babylon 5, The X-Files, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Farscape, Firefly, Caprica, and Battlestar Galactica, tend to want their sci-fi more dark, grim, edgy, and adult. They see shows like Dr. Who as at best not interesting and at worse a complete waste.

I like grimdark sci-fi as much as the next guy but it gets old after while and in these times I can use as much optimisum as I can get.

It's also not helped that towards the end of the orginal series that Dr. Who had a delveloped a rep of being and looking cheap. My dad said he was surprised by the high-quality of special effects in Dr. Who and said he also thought that hurt the orginal series.

Skyquake87
2013-10-31, 10:35 PM
The grim dark thing is probably about right. Might explain why I don't enjoy a lot of US sci-fi/ fantasy stuff (sorry) - I found stuff like ST:TNG and BG far too po-faced for their own good. LEXX was much more my thing, as was Quantum Leap. Sure, its nice to have a bit of jeopardy and edge of your seat tension, but to be like that all the time? No thanks.

Who is a bit different as it was conceived for a children/ family audience so it is resolutely cheerful and upbeat - which I really like :)

And you're right, towards the end of the original run - and certainly past Peter Davison's tenure, the show really was looking badly underfunded. The BBC never increased the budget for the show and -as is well documented - weren't interested in making it better (or at all). TBH, Slyvester McCoy's time looks pretty decent for the most part, thanks to some much improved lighting, direction and better use of location shoots.

Denyer
2013-10-31, 11:53 PM
Dystopian sci-fi's pretty played out. It's why I've always liked Trek, Voyager mostly excepted. W40K is a bit of a guilty pleasure.

Skyquake87
2013-11-06, 10:06 AM
In slightly related but not really news, Nicola Bryant (Peri) popped up in some AXA Insurance ads recently, and can be seen currently in the newspaper ads of the same.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-07, 09:03 AM
She showed up in a washing powder commercial as well a few years ago as well (or at least one where she was making young men take their shirts off. Must be the same effect she had on Turlough). I find it a bit depressing, though I'm not sure why when it's not all that different from tom Baker doing every single advert voiceover ever for about twenty years.

Mind, I bet he was paid a bit more a bit more for that (hell, there were people who made money doing Tom Baker style voiceovers when they couldn't afford him, Terry Molloy used to get a few impersonators as well bizarrely enough) than she was for a non-speaking advert Mum.

IIRC Tom, in his very Tom way, currently claims to have caused Jon Pertwee's heart attack by telling him how much he got paid for a Sainsbury's advert.

Currently watching the McGann Revistied, and in keeping with the upbeat theme it's the first place I've ever heard anyone involved with the production of current Who talk about how having Sylvester McCoy in it was a good idea (not because they hate McCoy as such, but the general consensus is usually relaunching the series with old business was a bad idea).

These are apparently on ITunes now (though the forthcoming ones and Day of the Doctor will be added as they go out) as part of a 50th anniversary package if that's anyone's bag.

Skyquake87
2013-11-07, 09:11 AM
Hmm although I didn't mind McCoy being in the TVM, I think the likes of RTD are probably right in that its probably not the best way to relaunch a show that had been off air for a number of years and was rarely seen in the US, where its success was much more crucial. Still, putting the TVM up against the final episode of Roseanne and a Superbowl was poor timing and wont have helped.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-07, 09:27 AM
Hmm, I think McCoy was brilliant in his little cameo; especially seeing as it's virtually mute; but that whole opening is just bizarre.

The odd thing is, there's a potentially really good SF mystery at the heart of the Movie that is buggered up by the structure. It should have opened with a mysterious blue box appearing in an ally, a man coming out and getting fatally shot... and then turning into someone else. Grace then becomes the entry level character for new viewers as she investigates this and winds up helping save the world from mad Eric Roberts.

All the opening stuff could be covered by later flashbacks (and maybe have Grace be a bit more pro-active in trying to solve the mystery than just having Doctor Who shout exposition at her); you'd have that brilliant shot of Chang Lee going into the Tardis as the first introduction to the ship (which is so much better at selling the concept than the cutting between a police box flying through space and a seemingly unrelated giant room during the credits); it'd be much more X-Files which is clearly what Fox wanted anyway and you could justify the bringing back of McCoy because his changing face is a proper central part of the mystery plot.

And they could sort out those Dalek voices as well.

A shame really as there's a lot to like about the film. Though I do think from listening to the commentary and various interviews that McGann himself thinks he dodged a bullet by it not going to a series. He found the press focus and attention incredibly uncomfortable and probably wouldn't have been happy as the lead in a hit show (tellingly, everything he's done since has been on a smaller scale, usually giving support with his name third down the credits in other people's shows). Spending a week doing audios every year is much more his thing.

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-11-07, 06:29 PM
Hmm, I think McCoy was brilliant in his little cameo; especially seeing as it's virtually mute; but that whole opening is just bizarre.

The odd thing is, there's a potentially really good SF mystery at the heart of the Movie that is buggered up by the structure. It should have opened with a mysterious blue box appearing in an ally, a man coming out and getting fatally shot... and then turning into someone else. Grace then becomes the entry level character for new viewers as she investigates this and winds up helping save the world from mad Eric Roberts.

All the opening stuff could be covered by later flashbacks (and maybe have Grace be a bit more pro-active in trying to solve the mystery than just having Doctor Who shout exposition at her); you'd have that brilliant shot of Chang Lee going into the Tardis as the first introduction to the ship (which is so much better at selling the concept than the cutting between a police box flying through space and a seemingly unrelated giant room during the credits); it'd be much more X-Files which is clearly what Fox wanted anyway and you could justify the bringing back of McCoy because his changing face is a proper central part of the mystery plot.

And they could sort out those Dalek voices as well.

A shame really as there's a lot to like about the film. Though I do think from listening to the commentary and various interviews that McGann himself thinks he dodged a bullet by it not going to a series. He found the press focus and attention incredibly uncomfortable and probably wouldn't have been happy as the lead in a hit show (tellingly, everything he's done since has been on a smaller scale, usually giving support with his name third down the credits in other people's shows). Spending a week doing audios every year is much more his thing.

I'm not sure even if TVM had been picked up and turned into a series it would have worked no matter who played the Doctor. The DVD doctumentary The Seven Year Hitch about the making of the TVM sounded like it would have been a nightmare due to all competing interests of BBC TV, BBC Worldwide, Universal TV, Fox TV, and Phil Segal with no one really having enough controlling interest to have a final say in what the show would be like, I feel it would have been a real cluster**** of a show. Hell IMHO it's nothing for short of a miracle that the TVM is even watchable much less good as it is. That doesn't mean I feel that McGann was a bad Doctor, in fact I would love to see him again in a live action Dr. Who web or TV mini-series just so he can get another shot in the TARDIS.

I think such a series that would have come from the TVM would have been a mess and I'm sure of any an internationally produced TV shows that lasted more than 2 seasons (other than Masterpiece Theater). I think that Dr. Who is a British show and should not an American co-production with the BBC (which seldom ever seems to works with any network or studio).

Sades
2013-11-08, 03:17 AM
I don't think it's reached to be considered in the same league with American sci-fi TV franchies like Star Trek, Stargate, and Battlestar Galactica by ssome sci-fi fans. I mean even The Transformers seem to have a bigger fanbase than Dr. Who does in the USA.

I want to move to wherever you are, just so I can get away from these sheepy asshats with long scarves and bowties carrying sonic screwdrivers drooling over TARDIS this and TARDIS that and saying shit like "wibbley wobbly timey wimey" or whatever the ****.

(every once in awhile, I have to GET TEH BILE OUT. I appreciate having this outlet and I should be good for awhile now... :p)

I would be really entertained if the animated episodes were in the style of South Park.

Are they? /hope

inflatable dalek
2013-11-08, 04:02 PM
I want to move to wherever you are, just so I can get away from these sheepy asshats with long scarves and bowties carrying sonic screwdrivers drooling over TARDIS this and TARDIS that and saying shit like "wibbley wobbly timey wimey" or whatever the ****.

Well I'm sorry, you made your choice of which American Archiver to marry, you're stuck with the one in the bow tie drooling over Victoria's mighty chest the Tardis.

As I understand it, the Matt Smith era is actually more of a success for BBC America than Torchwood was (and certainly seems to have made decent inroads over there generally- sort of the equivalent of how something like CSI does over here on 5- everyone's at least sort of aware of it even if it's nowhere near as big as it is in its home country), which probably kills any generalisations that Yanks only like dark and serious SF.

Not that I'm sure that Torchwood, which did an episode about a woman in a silver bikini fighting a pterodactyl, is really in the NuBSG* mould anyway.


*Why am I the only person who ever notices how much intentional humour there is in that show anyway? Something like Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down has scenes that border on slapstick...

Hound
2013-11-08, 04:56 PM
I'm actually not sure which I like more. I'm a big fan of Star Trek and Stargate and Doctor Who. Who has my attention now because it's new to me and such a long and complicated series.

I'm liking it a lot and I think that at it's worst it's better than the worst of Star Trek. At least from what I've watched so far. The thing is that I'm reasonably sure I've not watched the absolute best that Star Trek or Doctor Who can produce so I can't make that comparison with that in mind. The best that I've seen of Star Trek I don't think is as good as the best Who I've watched so far.

I have watched all of the Stargate shows and movies and will say that I like it best of the three right now. Keep in mind that I've only seen a handful of the new Doctor Who shows and haven't seen but a few dozen random episodes of Deep Space Nine.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-10, 08:46 PM
For those lay awake at night wondering about what the rights issues were over the Unearthly Child repeat (which is happening now though, just really late at night) it seems the son of author Anthony Coburn is suing the BBC for ownership of the Tardis.

Despite the fact the basic idea of the Tardis was a big part of the show's format before he even came onboard (at best he came up with the name and the specific disguise, so if ownership were to go to anyone other than the BBC then at best it would have to be split between the estates of Coburn, Newman and Webber, the later two of whom decided on amazing time machine and bigger on the inside everyday disguise between them). This will not end well for him I imagine.

He also writes whole streams of tweets at his dead father telling him what a terrible father he was, and lengthy comments on the editing history of his Dad's Wikipedia page also pointing out what a poor father he was before commenting on how shit Doctor Who was for making the Daleks rather than Masters of Luxor (young Coburn also takes credit for giving his Dad the cavemen idea, but is annoyed his suggested Dinosaurs weren't included).

If nothing else he comes over as a tad eccentric.

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/11/bbc-sued-over-ownership-of-tardis.html

Skyquake87
2013-11-12, 04:57 AM
aaaand...TRAILER!!!

http://youtu.be/xS1cNjJSGQs



Not sure what I make of young Mr Coburn and his claims. Its one of those that whiffs of chasing money. I'm sure its difficult for writers on contracts with entertainment companies where they create ideas that are effectively owned by the company. Doubly so when said work turns out to be something of a hit and is exploited for merchandise and what have you. It might very well feel like you've been hard done by, but surely folk going in to create and write for TV, comics whatever must accept that their ideas are going to end up someone else's property? Especially where they are working on something that has already been established?

Sades
2013-11-13, 05:14 AM
I'm actually in a weird place with the fanboy hate, because some of my close friends and family are like that and it doesn't bother me at all. I've bought Hound Doctor Who stuff and he's got tons of stuff around the house, doesn't bother me. (sometimes I'll pretend it does just for fun, but he knows I don't care). But show me video of people at conventions not related to me enjoying themselves thusly? Yup, morons. I'm not sure what it is, and tbh it bugs me a little. I'd like to be a bit more accepting but apparently people having fun irritates me. :p Ehh.

Am possibly going to see this, it depends if my friends are on the night it occurs.

haven't seen but a few dozen random episodes of Deep Space Nine.

And pleeeeeeease let it stay that way...

inflatable dalek
2013-11-13, 09:05 AM
*Makes note to self to film myself at the convention in my 1980's Cyberleader costume having a great time shouting "EXCELLENT" and "AHHHHH I HAVE FOUND THE ONES FROM THE TARDIS".

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-11-13, 03:59 PM
Well I'm sorry, you made your choice of which American Archiver to marry, you're stuck with the one in the bow tie drooling over Victoria's mighty chest the Tardis.

As I understand it, the Matt Smith era is actually more of a success for BBC America than Torchwood was (and certainly seems to have made decent inroads over there generally- sort of the equivalent of how something like CSI does over here on 5- everyone's at least sort of aware of it even if it's nowhere near as big as it is in its home country), which probably kills any generalisations that Yanks only like dark and serious SF.

Not that I'm sure that Torchwood, which did an episode about a woman in a silver bikini fighting a pterodactyl, is really in the NuBSG* mould anyway.


*Why am I the only person who ever notices how much intentional humour there is in that show anyway? Something like Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down has scenes that border on slapstick...

Some of Torchwood's rep for a grimdark adult sci-fi show came from the fact that it devoloped a rep online while BBC tried to find it a network and/or clean up the languge for the show (even on networks like BBC America, SyFy, MTV, FX, and the like there some words that can't be said) in the states it was almost a year between it's British broadcast and it's American broadcast.
Now Torchwood: Children of Earth earned it grimdark rep and it was IMHO it's darkest sci-fi show I've seen since BSG season 3.

But you're right seasons 1 and 2 were not as dark as they hyped to be hell, the opening from the first episode of season 2 could have easily been right of Buffy, the Vampire Slayer or Angel.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-14, 06:56 PM
Hey, remember those mad fan theories that Paul McGann was going to show up? The theories that were only slightly less mad than all those mad fan theories that they'd found Web of Fear and Enemy of the World?

Here we go ladies and gentlemen, a 100% increase in the number of Doctor Who episodes with Paul McGann in:

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Plus a surprise sequel to a Tom Baker story!

And the formal canonisation of all the Big Finish stuff (which makes sense, for a name check of his companions they might as well grab them from somewhere, it's more surprising there's no book or comic ones in there, perhaps they just wanted to use ones McGann would recognise?)!.

It does make me feel fairly confident for the special, a nice zippy pace despite obviously being made on no money, a bit of humour and a good bit of darkness as well, McGann really throws himself into it as well.



The ending with young John Hurt shows how they could do the other Mad Fan Theory that either the special or the other minisode will have Hurt regenerate into Eccleston without needing to have Eccles involved.

Whilst I'd read that the Moff wanted Hurt to not have been a brief Doctor but one who'd been around a long time, I think they might have gone a bit OTT with how young he is there, did the War Doctor really take so long to sort things out?

Skyquake87
2013-11-14, 08:15 PM
Ooh. Hooray for 8 :) Not sure about er, 'The War Doctor'. That's a silly name. Watched Brian Cox do his SCIENCE on the telly box. I liked that, although I felt a couple of his things seemed to get lost in the edit. Or that might be just my brain not working. Liked the little skits with Matt Smith too. I will be sad when Matt Smith leaves.

La la la - also there was the trailer for 'An Adventure In Time And Space' after which looks right good. And BBC3 are doing the bestest countdown of who related stuff and things over the weekend.

I feel I should wear a party hat when it is the 23rd. And one of those things that you blow and it unravels and goes toot.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-15, 06:42 PM
It really is easy to forget how good Matt Smith has been when so much of the last season was a bit weak. Though I don't think he hit the ground running as much as Tennant did (hardly surprising as DT had been preparing for this his entire life) he's really grown in the role and the it's a long time since we've had a moment that hasn't been played perfectly.

It's interesting that, like his favourite Doctor Troughton, he really seems to throw himself into staying in character outside of the show, he's done far more "In Character" appearances in other things than even Tennant managed.

[For an example of the reverse, have a look on Youtube for that clip of loads of Doctors and companions coming out of the Tardis on Children in Need from the '80's where Davison is resolutely not in costume when Pertwee, Troughton and Coin all are and are very much doing the multi-Doctor bickering with gay abandon]

I'm not completely sure about The Adventure trailer, there's a bit where Bradley is doing the full on William Hartnell lapel grabbing when he's just being himself (and hasn't even been cast yet!) which I can't see him doing in real life and implies more of a chracacture than I was expecting.

On the other hand, the bit with him smugly waving the Annual about whilst in his Reign of Terror costume was awesome, as were the Cybermen and Menoptra (presumably the later is preceded by a scene where everyone in the production does a whole lot of cocaine). It's looking very much like it's going to be the rise and fall of William Hartnell, presumably those are Troughton's legs in the last shot...

I'm going to watch the Science show now; it'll be the best thing ever if it's just Cox coming out and going "Nah, it's all bollocks really" before cutting to the end credits.

Speaking of credits, I'm hoping the "War Doctor" thing is just for the titles rather than what he'll be called in the episode. I also hope that they'll be a good explanation for why the rest of the Universe seems to have gone along with the Doctor's decision to disown his Hurt incarnation and also never mention him. I mean, when the Daleks put together that neat clips montage the Cybusmen had (somehow) gotten their hands on in The Next Doctor would they really give a **** about what the Doctor is calling himself and not include him?

Indeed, from the way it's looking it'd be more likely that Hurt (who we know was invloved in the War) would be in the montage than Eccles (who is looking increasingly likely not to have been and the Daleks who made those clips were in the void when he was having his TV adventures and never encountered the Daleks who met him).

Come to that, Timothy Dalton obviously didn't give a toss as he was all "Doctor" this and "Doctor" that when having his war council back in The End of Time.

Skyquake87
2013-11-19, 10:31 AM
I wonder if in Timelord society, The Doctor had spent so long proclaiming thats who is that that is what everyone calls him. His real name is irrelevant if that's what he calls himself now. c.f. people whom change their name by deed poll (a few nutters on our database with names like Snowy Rabbit and Princess Gonzola - no really- and hilarious illiteracy and bad handwriting to go hand in hand with that). Its also a bit like the whole Orion Pax/ Optimus Prime thing. He's Optimus Prime and to pretend otherwise is just silly.

Don't know if you've watched the Cox thing, but it pretty much is him saying "its mainly bollocks and this is what is actually possible. probably."

Watched BBC3's cheerful 'Ultimate Guide To Doctor Who'. That was quite a jolly barrel through the show's history. Nothing new to say, trotting out all the cliches (Peri's chest, Pertwee being a dandy etc etc) and what have you, but nice enough to sit through without feeling that you've wasted your time.

Aside: BBC3 is weird. It seems that someone has thought that in order to be all 'yoof', you've got to make the entire channel into some televisual equivalent to Heat or Take A Break. Channel 4 used to do this sort of thing much much better, still do to some extent although T4 is a shadow of what it once was.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-19, 11:07 AM
Yeah, I caught a couple of the BBC 3 introductions to the repeats representing the "Top 10 Monsters and Villains" (which by amazing coincidence all happened to have been from the new series), and wanted to feed the comedian doing them to the Macra.

The science thing was good fun, the validation of the Eye of Harmony means the end of the Paul McGann film is in fact 10000% plausible after all, right? Right?

The 12 (with John Hurt rather than Capaldi) Radio Times covers are out now and, whilst it's really cool to have Mandrels on the Fourth Doctor one, it's also really, really weird that the pictures of Docs 4-7 are all from the cover the magazine did for Dimensions in Time. Davison and Sylv get away with it (the 5th Doctor actually looks pretty cool), but Tom with his white hair and less iconic costume and Colin with the short cut just look odd.


Oh, and a nice interview with a Paul McGann on fine piss taking form ("Send me your hair!"):

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Denyer
2013-11-19, 06:33 PM
It's nice that it's possible to round up a lot of previous cast that have a genuine enthusiasm for the series rather than viewing it as convention appearances. In particular, Tennant seems like a really nice/fun chap and not to have been drawing on a huge reservoir of arseholeishness for Ten. (Who along with several of the others -- Nine, Five and Six in particular -- I appreciate more in context than actually based on watching.)

Summerhayes
2013-11-22, 12:49 AM
So, saw Adventures this evening. Very entertaining and watchable and well made. I've no idea if it was accurate at all or anything like that bit I'm glad I caught it. And everyone seemed to look the part at the very least!

Skyquake87
2013-11-22, 09:02 AM
I watched this too! Really enjoyed it. Like you say, summerhayes, not sure how factually accurate it was (answer: a bit.probably). I did well up a bit when Matt Smith cameoed at the end. David Bradley was excellent and right now I am enjoying Will Gompertz flying the TARDIS on BBC Breakfast ..!

Managed to also watch BBC4's repeat of 'An Unearthly Child' which I enjoyed, although its a funny one. Excellent opening episode and then...Cavemen squabbling over fire and meat! Although I did like that Ian and Barabara's first trip instantly lands them all in trouble :)

inflatable dalek
2013-11-22, 12:11 PM
As I write this I'm waiting for the next panel to start in a theater with about a 1000 other people listening to the score of Earthshock.

That's an odd afternoon and no mistake.

Rack 'n Ruin
2013-11-22, 12:58 PM
Any Who fans (not the RnB lot) been on Google yet today? There is a fun Dr. Who logo and game to play. :)

Summerhayes
2013-11-22, 01:39 PM
Nobody goes on Google any more! I just type into the url bar!
(Also, I did go on Google's home page and there was nothing there. But I am on a kindle, so maybe that's it?)

inflatable dalek
2013-11-22, 11:45 PM
Had a nice day, possibly not quite worth the cost but I wasn't the one paying BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Good panels, nice costumes and merchandise and Jenna Coleman is looooooooooooooooovely.

Oddly, despite not planning to do the celebrity thing at all, when I was at the Big Finish store and deciding to give their Remembrance of the Daleks spin-off a try I was cheerfully told that by buying it Allison offa Remembrance of the Daleks would sign it for me. Totally random, but a very nice lady.

Also had a photo with my mother on Matt Smith's first Tardis set, which was cool and nice and much better treated by the BBC than the junkyard Tardis console which was also there by sort of shoved in a corner with no protection and where anyone can (and did) jump all over it. A member of the Excel staff was kicking back in panels that had come off just before I went up to it. Poor old thing.

Davison, McCoy (who seemed a bit out of it bless him) and Colin Baker (who got in some fun digs at The Hobbit; "I hear they're making a film for each page") were talking about the spoof comedy thing Davison has made about them protesting at not being in the special, apparently the Beeb are putting it on the red button tomorrow.

Oh, and God bless Bernard Cribbins, who in the brief talk he gave told all three of the Doctor Who Anecdotes he has he tells everytime he gives a Doctor Who Interview in exactly the same way.

Some pics (not including the Smith Tardis one yet as that will involve me taking a photo of a photo, and we all know from Sapphire and Steel that's a bad idea) Find out weather I managed to get closer to a Yeti or Jenna Coleman:


https://www.facebook.com/stuart.webb3/media_set?set=a.10151887604459219.1073741828.611524218&type=3

Osku
2013-11-23, 05:26 AM
I'm not going to read the thread, just a quick question.

How stupid, in your opinion, would it be for me to watch the special this evening. Last I've seen is end of season 5. Meaning to catch up "some day". Mostly managed to avoid spoilers so far.

Thanks in advance.

Skyquake87
2013-11-23, 06:35 AM
The 50th ep is designed to be stand alone, so you'll be fine. Recommended viewing is minisode (this is a word now, apparently) 'Night Of The Doctor' (see above).

Also:

ITS TODAY!!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOCTOR WHO!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!

Shame i wont be able to watch 'live' tonight :( But! Hooray for magic boxes that do the things!

Also! @ dalek: sounds like you had an amazing time! well done.


I am drinking tea.

inflatable dalek
2013-11-23, 02:27 PM
I've now seen an Adventure, and it was lovely. Really lovely and emotional stuff that pretty much perfectly captured Hartnell. There was a lot of fudging to compress things and make Labert and Hussein the main focus of things as much as possible for two people who weren't there for all of Hartnell's time on the show (in particular Hussein almost certainly wasn't hanging around the production office between his two stories), but most of it worked fine in the tradition of dramatic licence.

The only out and out real cheat I thought was the recording of the last scene of The Massacre being presented as an out and out disaster when John Willis (probably the most noticeable absentee as he was almost tailor made to be Hartnell's nemesis in this as he was the one who spent the best part of a year trying to get shot of the lead actor) used the "Butter up Bill by going on about how brilliant an actor he is and how the speech has been especially written for him" trick the drama has Sydney Newman do much earlier to ensure a word perfect take that even impressed Willis.

Of course, you'd have to be a really, really, anal worthless human being to point out every single little ickle historical inaccuracy in the show.


So here's some of the one's I spotted:


The Tardis is treated as a standing set, when it was took down after every use and not put up for episodes it wasn't in (so it wasn't in studio for episode 2 of the Daleks for example). I think they kept it the same for the entire drama as well when the size shrunk and the walls and props moved about hugely over the three years.

Cavemen plural wandering about the studio session of the first episode when there's only one in it and his looming shadow was one of things recorded on film weeks before.

"Exterminate" treated as a catchphrase right from the off when the closes in their first story is a couple of Exterminations.

The recording of the first Dalek story is treated as happening after Kennedy was assassinated when the first episode was being made the day he shot (and therefore it was too late in the process for Newman to make a fuss about it, all those arguments happened weeks before).

There was a gap of months between The Web Planet and Lambert's departure, so certainly no Menoptra at her leaving do (which did have delegates from Mission to the Unknown at it though, that's the only reason we have photos of them).

I think they were playing up the affects of Hartnell's illness during this bit as well by picking his worst scene in it and ignoring the fact none of the other regulars were very on song that week.

[I was also under the impression Hartnell wasn't formally diagnosed until after he left Who, but I'm not entirely sure of that one]

Jackie Lane and Peter Purves didn't join the show at the same time and wouldn't have had a joint press conference, she also wouldn't have been wearing her Celestial Toymaker costume. Lane's actual press announcement had her being grabbed by the Monoids, that would have been awesome to see here.
Getting Chesterton's name wrong was a deliberate running joke (albeit one that might have started as a result of a slip) rather than a massive recurring cock up, as said the Massacre speech was actually word perfect.

Penfield was long gone by the time Hartnell's departure happened and wouldn't have been going on about that to Newman. And it was actually the producer of the show (Innes Lloyd by that point) who handled the decision and told Hartnell.

Troughton almost certainly wasn't in costume when he filmed the regeneration, and his hair definitely wasn't decided on (the change is shot in extremely tight close up on the face to get around the fact they were still debating the blond Harpo Marx wig at that point).

Matt Smith wasn't there. That's a bad one that is, who let that through?

There may be others, but I'm not that anal.

Summerhayes
2013-11-23, 09:27 PM
Just watched day of the doctor. Quite good it was, apart from the 3d stuff that didn't work at all on TV...

Heinrad
2013-11-23, 10:31 PM
Quite enjoyed "The Day of the Doctor", that was a lot of fun.

So exactly what is the War Doctor in terms of numbering? 8A? 8 1/2? Or did whatever the Sisterhood did to the Eighth Doctor give him a new life cycle, technically making the War Doctor the new First Doctor?

And I thought Gallifrey was already frozen in time, which Rassilon wanted to break out of?

And, by the criteria the after party on BBC3 used, K9 is apparently the ultimate companion. He never had to fake an ankle sprain, never asked the Doctor to explain things, never wore anything impractical..... Good old K9.

Skyquake87
2013-11-24, 08:38 AM
No, instead K9 used to break down all the time and had to be pulled along by a piece of string at times :p

see, I'm a bit fuzzy on whats going on with the Doctor's regenerations as I thought this had already been sorted in 'Lets Kill Hitler', but I guess giving someone your regenerative cycle doesn't mean that they get your unspent lives.

During Day Of The Doctor its also stated that 'All Thirteen' are present (with a brief flash of Capaldi there!) so I'm just baffled. Maybe we do need to renumber them all!

I enjoyed DOTD. It wasn't as mind blowing as I thought, but I do like that a lot Who is painted with broad strokes with things happening and then it just boils down to some nice character moments to get everything sorted out.

Having just watched DOTD I think Gallifrey is frozen - the Doctor effectively putting the planet in stasis in a pocket universe...but at the climax of the Time War. Rassilon and so on were chucking allsorts at the Daleks by that stage and coming up with all sorts. The End Of Time also retrospectively implies that they knew what The Doctor was doing effectively freezing them by putting them in stasis. I like that Moffatt had this worked out very well, just a bit of a shame the Zygon thing was dropped pretty swiftly towards the end.

Nice cameo from Tom Baker too :swirly:

inflatable dalek
2013-11-25, 08:33 PM
My really long winded thoughts:


http://thesolarpool.weebly.com/1/post/2013/11/every-doctor-has-his-day.html

Skyquake87
2013-11-25, 10:23 PM
I have done a writing on your blog :)

Rack 'n Ruin
2013-11-26, 07:15 AM
Are we still doing spoilers? Better safe than sorry...

I was very surprised and excited to see Capaldi's Doctor (well, his eyes) turn up. Nice way to build more anticipation for the Christmas "Hey kids, Merry Christmas! We just killed Dr. Who!" special.

But I just had a thought. Now, I'm no hardcore Who fan, so this may be a flawed concept, but...

What if Capaldi-Doctor (who seemed to arrive slightly late to the party) WASN'T summoned by 8.5, 10 & 11 to help freeze Gallifrey, but had instead just arrived to find/rescue the freshly frozen Gallifrey? Could we have been given a sneak preview of the climax of the next series? /crazythought

Skyquake87
2013-11-26, 09:29 AM
I don't know if we're doing spoilers now either...thats a very good idea!

Also! This!

http://youtu.be/yI5Py96KJ54

inflatable dalek
2013-11-26, 08:43 PM
loved the Davison thing, the best gag in it being their reaction to the incidental music changing as they went into the studios.

Having watched the end again to check something... There are actually two Seventh Doctors there, season 24/25 version and the TV Movie one. Trust him to do that. It also means there are actually 14 different Doctors there and we now have proof that it's not that Time Lords can't regenerate more than 13 times, it's just they have trouble counting any higher.

What do you mean continuity cock up?

Cyberstrike nTo
2013-11-26, 10:26 PM
I don't know if we're doing spoilers now either...thats a very good idea!

Also! This!

http://youtu.be/yI5Py96KJ54

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Peter Davidison is my favorite classic Doctor (prbably because I've only watched his stories along with McGann TVM) the scene with Barrowman telling him that film in Cardif was priceless.

Skyquake87
2013-11-27, 08:19 AM
@ dalek :lol: that's brilliant.

I suspect the 7th did that on purpose, he's that kind of Doctor... :)

Auntie Slag
2013-11-29, 07:22 PM
For all you Doctor Who types, there's a free Hunters of Earth audiobook download (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotions/10457953/hunters-of-earth.html). Plus you can save 50% on any of the 10 other titles in the Doctor Who: Destiny of the Doctor range if you're a Telegraph subscriber.

Thought I'd post it in case anyone's interested :)

Skyquake87
2013-11-29, 10:25 PM
That reminds me, I should download all those freebies Doctor Who Magazine were giving away.

Skyquake87
2013-12-17, 09:49 AM
So. Picked up DWM yesterday and interested to read that the Eleventh Doctor is the Thirteenth. I'd never really thought that Metacrisis Doctor counted, but it was a regeneration. I did wonder about Trenzalore being his grave and all. Interesting!

inflatable dalek
2013-12-17, 08:55 PM
They're counting Peter Cushing.

Heinrad
2013-12-25, 08:35 PM
Just watched the Christmas special. Quite the send-off for Number 11.

Moffatt, you bastard. That was beautiful.

inflatable dalek
2013-12-26, 12:49 AM
SPOILERS FOR TIME AND THE RANI OF THE DOCTOR.















Rapid fire thoughts as it is Christmas Day:




Hmm, yeah, not sure what to make of that. As well as shameless cribbing from the Parting of the Ways (sending the companion back to her estate so she's safe... and the fact Clara now lives on a Rose Tyler style estate sort of sums up how random her character really is) and The End of Time (ominous narration opening) there was the John Barber style explaining of plot points from old episodes I think pretty much everyone had stopped caring about (the lack of explanation for the Tardis exploding was annoying three years ago, covering it in a exposition speech now managed to be equally annoying).

And considering he seemed to remember The Day of the Doctor well enough, why was the Doctor expecting not to regenerate when there were 13 (well, 14 if you count the continuity cock up that resulted in two different Sylvester McCoy's being there) Doctor's saving Gallifrey? Why were the Time Lords being dickish about shooting him a new regeneration cycle when they already knew about Capaldi from that story as well? How did how the Daleks get blown up at the end not kill everyone in the town as well? If the Time Lords have the ability to do that to Daleks in the first place how did they ever come so close to loosing the Time War (just find a Time Lord on his last life, zap him a new cycle and the change will blow up entire space fleets...).

Why erase the Daleks' knowledge of the Doctor when they got it back in their very next "Present day" appearance?

Couldn't we have had at least one new monster amongst the usual ones they parade out for every monster mash sequence in the Smith era? Hell, even dusting down the Slitheen costumes would have added some variety to the Daleks/Cybermen/Sontarans monotony.

Old age make up that not only wound up making the Doctor look more like a Dick Tracy villain than aged, but seemed to result in a worse and worse performance from Smith the more and more heavy it got.

Good points.... Errr, the priest woman not being revealed to be some form of River Song despite the Tardis flying skills and and flirting seeming to signpost it.

No Tellytubby Daleks (and that has to be the final nail in their coffin surely if they're not even using the props to pad out Dalek crowd scenes now?).

The rapid-fire actual regeneration.

This was basically the cluster**** I was expecting Day of the Doctor to be, and any reassurance from the special that the Moff wasn't burnt out and the show needed a new chief writer has been completely blown away. Still, he got it back once, so here's at least hoping Capaldi gets off to a better start.

Skyquake87
2013-12-26, 06:55 AM
Thoughts from me:

A few too many wrong turns made Smith's departure less than it should have been.

The Silents proved to be a frustratingly vague threat again - even with some sketching in of a sort of origin (they are genetically modified Priests whom extract confessions from people...whom then forget what they have confessed? How are folk supposed to feel unburdened or whatever?). Handwaving away the similarly underdeveloped Madam Korvarian and the TARDIS blowing up with a few lines of dialogue was also a bit disappointing. I liked the crack in time still existing, but why not have made the Silence more central to this, rather than the usual 'big three' monsters showing up? And yes, the Daleks knowing about The Doctor again makes no sense, unless of course this is set at a point in time before that has happened. Which may also explain the lack of Paradigm Daleks (speaking of which, will we ever properly see these again or has the redesign been such a disaster that these are being quietly retired in the hope that no one notices?).

Clara was perky as ever, although she doesn't strike me as the sort to live in a council estate tower block. I expected her to either live in a house or a more modern apartment. The addition of a family was a nice attempt to make her seem more real, but still... introducing her as a plot point more than a character has left her feeling less of a person and now her big secret's been revealed there's some hasty and poorly-done back tracking to try and 'fill in the blanks' with her that really aren't working. I know it was briefly annoying, but what happened to the family she was living with? Also, whom was at her table for Christmas? That didn't look like her dad and if it was, he's completely different and I assume he's got a new wife/ girlfriend as Clara's mum died in 2005..?

I did like the Doctor living out his life protecting a small town. I thought all that was very nicely done and I liked the elderly Doctor railing at the Daleks for still being too afraid to just kill him. I liked Smith's face when he got a new regeneration cycle. Less impressed that this was just farted out from a smile in the sky - does this mean the Time Lords have now restored Gallifrey, using Clara's words to pull themselves through the rift? I also thought the Regeneration was unnecessarily dragged out. I was all set for seeing Capaldi in the Tardis at the end, instead we got an over-egged speech followed by a very brief and unfussy regeneration. Boo. I was also hoping to see no post-regeneration silliness from Capaldi too. Sigh.

A few too many ideas bouncing around that failed to find fruition in this one. Matt Smith, you deserved better. Especially as you've been my Doctor.

inflatable dalek
2013-12-26, 11:50 AM
An excellent point about the people she was having dinner with (and I'd totally forgotten Clara's dad had already been in the show once, which says it all really). According to Wikipedia James Buller was playing "Dad", so presumably it is just a straightforward recasting. Sandwiched between him and the actress playing the Nan is a character called Linda, presumably the other woman so she is either a step-mum or girlfriend. Or possibly an aunt or cousin. vagueness, thy name is the Time of the Doctor.

The Daleks are definitely from after Asylum in their time line as there was a line explaining why they suddenly knew who the Doctor was again (they sucked all the information out of that priest woman's head). In terms of total Dalek screen time I think they managed to go less than ten minutes without knowing who he was, so that was a worthy thing to have done.

Agreed that the explanation for the Silence didn't make any sense, and as with a lot of the "What reallllllly happened!" stuff felt less like the carefully planned pay-off to a long running storyline and more like something pulled out of the Moff's arse at the last second. It was also revealed in the dullest way possible of the Doctor just having already found out the explanation for them off-screen.

Two things I'm a bit confused by:

Why were the people of Christmas celebrating Christmas all the time? To use the Doctor's analogy, they're not constantly sharing chocolate eggs on Easter island are they? Is it some sort of tourist destination or something?

The Time Lords plan... so in order to know it's safe to come back into the Universe, they're sending a question only the Doctor can answer so that when he judges the time is right he can say his name and they will come back through?

Except... they've also created a truth field around the planet so that rather than judging the right time the Doctor will be compulsed to answer the question truthfully the second he hears it.

Except... despite the truth field he doesn't answer the question despite it being repeatedly asked. So does the truth thing work or not, and what was the point of it?

Tetsuro
2013-12-26, 12:05 PM
Shit, I forgot there's a new episode.

And here I am, trapped behind a garbage wireless. :sick:

Summerhayes
2013-12-26, 10:18 PM
The couple they met when they first arrived at Christmas said you need to get used to the field, so I don't think it makes you answer it just stops you lying. But when they first arrived they went to lie and told the truth instead.

Skyquake87
2014-01-23, 11:21 PM
Nice to see Matt Smith recognised at the NTAs with best drama performance :)

In other Who stuff, I have read through The Doctor: His Life And Times which is great fun and a nice synopsis of his adventures in space and time, written in an 'in Universe' style with interviews and press clippings and a nice marrying up of the old and new series with some of the entries (Tegan being counselled by River Song).

Just started on The Vault (thanks to loads of cheap second hand copies turning up on tax dodgers Amazon ... and just after Christmas, funny that...) which isn't quite as much fun, but very nicely written by Marcus Hearn without falling into the sort dry academia tat nobbles these sort of things. A shame this isn't a proper 'Vault' book with all the pull out gubbins (different publisher and all), but the reproduction of some of the less familiar ephemera is excellent (Contemporary comic strips based on hidden adventures for the Second Doctor before he regenerated following his exile to Earth). I like tat the cover is squishy :)

Cyberstrike nTo
2014-01-25, 03:38 PM
I just watched "The Mind Robber" and "Ghost Light" on Amazon Instant Video. I really enjoyed "The Mind Robber". I thought it was fast paced and had a lot of cool ideas that would be right at home in the current show (the superhero in particular great and still holds up as an idea maybe a more updated costume and a better fight with Zoe) the special effects and production designs were all great. I also understood the basics of the companions Zoe and Jamie which can be hard sometime when you watch the series out of order.

Then I watched "Ghost Light" while I was surprised to see how good the show's production design and special effects were (especially given the reputations of the Colin Baker and Sly McCoy eras have for looking cheap and awful). I thought even though it was a 3-parter this was a pretty dull story and when McCoy tried to be a "tough guy" it was laughablly bad he couldn't pull it off like Davidson, Eccelstone, and Tennat could (this was something Smith couldn't do either). It took me the whole first episode to figure out the character of Ace and while she wasn't as annoying as say Tegan was (but at least she did grow on you), but I felt like she was annoying tough/bad girl cliche. Overall I found the story just boring as hell. I did like the opeing credits with what looked like early CGI effects though.

Just my 2 cents.