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inflatable dalek
2013-09-29, 07:43 PM
Read about via Chris McFeely on Facebook:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/29/nick-roche-to-draw-deaths-head-ii-for-revolutionary-war/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Good news: The Roche is drawing a Death's Head one-shot.

Bad (or at least Badish): It's Death's Head II and they're letting Andy "Heart of Darkness" Lanning loose on it.

Apparently it's part of a special event bringing back all the '90's characters that destroyed Marvel UK. Hmm.

Summerhayes
2013-09-29, 08:33 PM
I think I discovered death's head too late. His weird talking style and the way Furman really unsubtly shoehorned him in was just irritating to me.
Then again this is Death's Head II who I know even less about. I'll probably pick it up to support Roche.

Cliffjumper
2013-09-29, 09:16 PM
Then again this is Death's Head II who I know even less about.

Nineties Wolverine but a roboty-cyborg thing. There we go, now you know everything about Death's Head II.

The original was a decent guest star in TF and other stuff but the concept was worn out long before his solo series was cancelled, especially as the first thing they did was make him less of a complete bastard. Basically the first thing he did was kill Bumblebee, later on he's teaming up with the Fantastic 4. But he's still EDGY because he does something heroic and says "Hope heroism not catching, pays badly, yes?" which still makes him, like, a complete EDGY badass.

Y'know, like nineties Wolverine, who always did what he was ****ing told but just bitched about it.

Skyquake87
2013-09-30, 06:45 AM
I think its a bit disingenuous to blame the fall of Marvel UK on its roster of characters. The collapse came about due to the company suddenly mushrooming its production beyond its capabilities in 1993, coupled with Marvel having trouble after the speculator bubble burst in 1994 which saw them pull the plug and ultimately sell the UK wing to Pannini.

The original launch characters of Hell's Angel, Knights of Pendragon II, Death's Head II were all strong sellers running to 16 issues a piece before the plug was pulled. Warheads was cancelled at # 15 and suceeded by a 2 issue limited series Black Dawn and was to be survived by a DHII team - up Loose Cannons, which was to be fully painted. Motormouth lasted 12 issues and is the only other Marvel UK character aside from the original Death's Head to manage an appearance in an American Marvel book outside her own UK book (all of which rather made a nonsense of UK editors cramming in the X-Men into all Marvel UK books to "mainstream" them - the 'guest star' idea becoming a one-sided arrangement to the detriment of the UK books as far too many pages were given over to US guest stars).

A lot of the second year output of the 'Genesis' relaunch was pretty poor. Whilst Cyberspace 3000 and Wild Thing were good, there was a lot derivative sub-Image crap like Gun Runner, Die-Cut and Super Soldiers with silly over-muscled men running around with big guns. A small beacon of quality could be found in the Marvel UK's actually very good Frontier imprint - which mined the sort of mature readers territory the company were tapping into prior to Paul Neary's arrival.


Whilst I will agree that Lanning's IDW Transformers work was pretty piss poor, both he and Dan Abnett had a celebrated run on Marvel's cosmic characters and both of these writers, along with Revolutionary War co-conspiritor Alan Cowsill, largely cut their teeth at Marvel UK. Lanning's co-writing duties with Abnett even back then turned out some of the better Death's Head II material in the shape of the two Battletide mini-series.

I remain optimistic that this will be a decent little outing for the characters, following a bit of cheer leading by Paul Cornell in the short-lived Captain Britain and MI13 which briefly featured some of the above characters, as well as Kieron Gillen's championing of the original Death's Head in S.W.O.R.D and Iron Man.


I disagree with Cliffy's snippy comments about the original Death's Head. The original character has proved he has a resonance and longevity that the other M:UK characters haven't had. In terms of his own comic book, it delivered a decent slab of 2000AD-lite adventures in much the same way as Dragon's Claws. Where others may see decay, I saw an attempt to flesh out the character and show more of him. The team up with the Fantastic Four was largely played for laughs and worked well - in much the same way Spider-Man does when mixed with The Punisher or Ghost Rider (1990s version). I never saw much of the bastardry that Cliffy mentions, more just a cold, clinical way of getting the job done which was carried over to his own book. I think great things were hoped for of Death's Head, perhaps in no part due to Walt Simonson's interest (then writing/ drawing FF for Marvel US) which got the character a foot in the door abroad and helped raise the UK arm's profile a little.


@ Summerhayes
Death's Head II was a cyborg built by AIM scientist Dr Evelyn Necker in 2020 to save the company from an unseen catastrophe that wipes the firm and all its staff out. This construct was dubbed Minion and was sent to through time to scavenge the powers and abilities of 106 individuals (think Sylar from heroes). Issue 105 on that list was Death's Head, the only mechanoid on that list. Besting and defeating Death's Head, the cyborg went rogue but its original programming managed to reascert itself and it went after the final target : Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four. Dr Necker persued the cyborg, saving Richards whom managed to bring Death's Head's personality to the fore. Death's Head II then time jumped at random, ending up on the planet Lionheart where he met Tuck, a replicated organic whom became Death's Head's new partner.

After a cracking limited series, which took its queues from the big films of the time (T2 and Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves), the ongoing struggled to find direction and purpose for the character. After signature artist Liam Sharp left at #4 of the ongoing, folk started to realise that cool visuals and witty one-liners weren't enough to maintain interest in the character, as borne out in a very critical letters page in #10. An adventure on Mars in issues 12 - 14 started to inject a bit of direction (and also introduced the world to artist Salvador Larroca), and Liam Sharp returned with the marvellous Death's Head II : Gold, but this came late in the day and at a time that Marvel US were about to pull the plug.

Despite all the Marvel UK books disappearing by May 1994, US Marvel titles continued to offer subscriptions for Hell's Angel and Death's Head II which suggests there was some interest in keeping the most popular titles going, but ultimately this never came to pass.

inflatable dalek
2013-09-30, 07:45 AM
I think its a bit disingenuous to blame the fall of Marvel UK on its roster of characters. The collapse came about due to the company suddenly mushrooming its production beyond its capabilities in 1993, coupled with Marvel having trouble after the speculator bubble burst in 1994 which saw them pull the plug and ultimately sell the UK wing to Pannini.

Now that's just mean, using facts to disprove my inaccurate opinions. BOO! My thoughts were mainly based on the "Complete history of Doctor Who Magazine" that... well Doctor Who Magazine did, where the then head of Marvel UK did blame the collapse on characters being a bit shit. Though, I suppose it's easier to blame fictional people than real ones.


I remain optimistic that this will be a decent little outing for the characters, following a bit of cheer leading by Paul Cornell in the short-lived Captain Britain and MI13 which briefly featured some of the above characters, as well as Kieron Gillen's championing of the original Death's Head in S.W.O.R.D and Iron Man.

If nothing else it'll look great (and Roche is more that a worthy Senior successor, even if I think he strong sharp lines would benefit the original DH more), and I'll definitely be picking it up.


I disagree with Cliffy's snippy comments about the original Death's Head. The original character has proved he has a resonance and longevity that the other M:UK characters haven't had. In terms of his own comic book, it delivered a decent slab of 2000AD-lite adventures in much the same way as Dragon's Claws. Where others may see decay, I saw an attempt to flesh out the character and show more of him.

I thought when reading the original DH and DC series that Death's Head was a much more interesting character than just about all of the Claws, but Dragon and company had the better stories. I think his own series suffered from his villains generally being no where near as interesting as he is.

Just for fun, the reviews I did a few years ago of the trades:

http://thecomicscode.weebly.com/deaths-head.html

http://thecomicscode.weebly.com/deaths-head-vol-2.html

http://thecomicscode.weebly.com/dragons-claw.html

Skyquake87
2013-09-30, 08:25 AM
Yeah, Marvel UKs expansion in 1993 was wrought out of greed, more than anything else. I think thats why there's such a dip in quality amongst the original launch books during '93.

...I felt abandoning the 8162 setting of DH meant that stuff like the Undertaker never came to fruition, which was a shame. Even now, I still ponder what 'The Operation' was going to be...

I don't think M:UK's characters were shit at all (I'm sorry whomever wrote that DWM article thought that - although if he's talking about the later stuff I mentioned above, that's fair enough - something that was reflected in Overkill at the time IIRC, as it started running some of that guff). The concepts were sound, they just stood and fell depending on whom wrote them.

My brief thoughts on their key characters:

Warheads was an excellent team book and potentially the most interesting of the bunch, but Nick Vince never really had the characters properly question what they were doing - which was strongly hinted at towards the end of the run. He abandoned the book after #10 which left a succession of writers just filling -in. The stuff with Misha's voice was awful though, easily the weakest moment in the book after such a build up. Towards the end, Stuart Jennet's marvellously scratchy/ blocky Senior-lite work really helped rescue things.

Hell's Angel does read as a very 1990s book now, with all its new age waffle, but it benefitted from a strong central female lead and a writer in the shape of Bernie Jaye whom had a firm handle on the types of stories she wanted to tell.

Knights Of Pendragon II - this was easily the most disappointing book for me. After the frankly essential reading first volume, this just descended from mature readers ecology themes to generic superheroics. This really was what would happen if Americans tackled Arthurian myths, turning it into some dreadful Power Rangers nonsense. What's worse is that this was carried out by the co-writer of the original series! Should have fought editorial harder on this one. Not even John Royle's excellent artwork could save this for me - proved popular enough with the Yanks. Was dropped pretty swiftly from Overkill though after reader disinterest.

Motormouth - I loved this book. Basically, Marvel UK does Tank Girl. Sadly, her US format book was a waste and too much time was spent on the Nick Fury/ Mys-Tech sub-plot which didn't feature Motormouth at all! Nice art from Gary Frank and later, a lady called Rosie Mendoza. Andrew Cartmel wrote the final issue, sadly it was rubbish.

Digitek - superb painted series of Tron-tastic computer adventures in the pre-internet age with Digitek quaintly faxing himself places (!). Wore a very silly hat.


Looking forward to seeing Roche's work on this, although it would have been nice to see Liam Sharp return to the character he created and I hope Tuck features, as whatever else Abnett got wrong with DHII, she remains a triumph :)

I will read your reviews in a bit, Mr Dalek :)

inflatable dalek
2013-09-30, 08:37 AM
As i was reminded when glancing at my reviews in a not-at-all-masturbatory way Sharp actually did a pitch for an Ultimate Death's Head that was basically the II version, so he is presumably still interested in the character, perhaps busy/expensive? Or Roche just doing his cheeky sales pitch on Twitter at just the right moment?

Denyer
2013-09-30, 07:10 PM
Don't think the UK characters were any more shite than most of Marvel's output, personally. Throwaway but mildly enjoyable.

Very much enjoyed MI-13 and S.W.O.R.D.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dhminion.htm

^I remembered things as being more conclusively wrapped up than that...

Skyquake87
2013-09-30, 09:43 PM
As i was reminded when glancing at my reviews in a not-at-all-masturbatory way Sharp actually did a pitch for an Ultimate Death's Head that was basically the II version, so he is presumably still interested in the character, perhaps busy/expensive? Or Roche just doing his cheeky sales pitch on Twitter at just the right moment?

Read your reviews Mr Dalek! I would agree that Dragon's Claws is the better book. makes you wonder how Death's Head would have worked out if he remained in 8162. Ah, the paths not taken.

If I'm honest, I found Panini's reproduction of the DH stuff a bit patchy. I was especially disappointed with the reproduction of 'The Body In Question' - the original printing is much more bright and vibrant than the murky end result we got here.

Also , the colour version of 'Crossroads Of Time' actually originates from a Marvel UK holiday special from sometime around 1989 that featured Alf, Ghostbusters and er, this particular Doctor Who strip, rather bizarrely. It was reprinted in this form in 'The Incomplete Death's Head' (which also states it was the Doctor whom stole Lupex's toy and dumped it on Scarvix).

Many moons ago, I actually managed to chat with Liam Sharp on the Millarworld forums (shameless name dropping, sorry) about his input to DHII. He left the ongoing series as he was dissatisfied with the scripts Dan Abnett was delivering. His vision for the character pretty much surfaced in DHII Gold (and was a much more interesting read than the ongoing). He remains very proud of his work on the character but after Marvel turned down his Ultimate pitch, he moved on.

Like Geoff Senior, Liam Sharp is another talented guy whom should have been massive but strangely didn't hit the big time. The last mainstream stuff I saw him on was some forgettable DC book. I think when I saw him at Thought Bubble back in 2008, he was promoting something based around some video-game tie-in or something, as well as his own creator owned stuff.

EDIT: Perhaps all this activity will convince Hasbro to pump out that Death's Head action figure they promised over a year ago. A Heroclix will not suffice!

Denyer
2013-09-30, 10:25 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/16/deaths-head-ii-and-more-to-return-in-marvel-uk-revolutionary-war-in-january/

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46899

Colour me interested.

Death's Head
2013-10-02, 10:31 PM
Some highly amusing DH2 stuf has turned up on the Marvel UK Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/5511398398/), courtesy of Tim Quinn, including this gem:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Alexio/DH2_zpse6a9f1c8.jpg~original

Skyquake87
2013-10-03, 07:34 AM
That image is from the Lord Mayor's Parade in London c.1993. Some of the M:UK staffers dressed up as Marvel Superheroes for one of the floats. Oddly, DHII was the only UK character present (read into that what you will). Good costume, shame its based on Simon Coleby's rather ugly take on the character. I much preferred Liam Sharp's more armoured look.

inflatable dalek
2013-10-03, 08:30 AM
Is that a big parcel he's posting or is he just pleased to see me?

Death's Head
2013-10-03, 11:35 AM
I suspect he's just noticed Tuck, slightly out of shot :o

Death's Head
2013-10-03, 03:43 PM
Liam Sharp has just posted this fascinating little blog entry about DH2:

http://liamsharp.deviantart.com/journal/Metal-Horns-and-Red-Wire-Dreadlocks-404269843

Denyer
2013-10-03, 05:24 PM
Also nice to see the art "beneath" given that it suffered somewhat from the colouring processes of the time. All looks swish apart from that launch poster.

Skyquake87
2013-10-03, 07:29 PM
I still have that poster!it was also given away free with #25 or 26 of overkill. I rather like it :-)

inflatable dalek
2013-10-03, 07:47 PM
Has the Furman/Senior pitch ever surfaced? Whilst he may not bare any anonymity towards Sharp (who after all, isn't the person who made the decison), Furman has always given the impression he's still miffed at what happened, it'd be interesting to know how it stands up next to what they chose to do instead. If nothing else, with Senior it should have looked good.

There is that degree of irony that Furman jumped through all those hoops to keep the character out of Hasbro's hands, only for Marvel to boot him off the character in the end.

Actually, as a point of curiosity, who counts as the creator of DH2? Is it still Senior and Furman or does he technically count as an entirely different character despite the name?

Skyquake87
2013-10-03, 07:59 PM
I class death's head ii as a separate character. The differences are so pronounced that the only thing they have in common is the name.

Iirc,one of senior's preliminary sketches for the proposed new death's head mini can be found in the back pages of 'the life and times of death's head'.its basically a blue version of the body he sported in what if.

Unicron
2013-10-04, 08:28 AM
In other Death's Head news:
Preview of Death's Head Heroclix figure (http://heroclix.com/heroclix/preview/marvel-heroclix-invincible-iron-man-deaths-head/#axzz2gNuQEUox)
Last year Death's Head won a fan vote to be included in an upcoming set of the miniatures game. This would be the result.

numbat
2013-10-04, 08:55 AM
Yeah, sorry, say death's head and I think of a moth... :swirly:

inflatable dalek
2013-10-04, 03:27 PM
Prefer the term butterfly, yes?


That Heroclix is nice, though try as I might I'll never get used to him in blue rather than green.

tahukanuva
2013-10-04, 08:15 PM
Did anything ever come of that Marvel Universe figure they announced ages ago?

I really want it. :(

Skyquake87
2013-10-04, 08:55 PM
Nope.

Hopefully with all this renewed M:UK activity, he'll get one. Hell, I'd settle for DHII and Tuck.

If they can crank out a Scud toy, surely they can manage DH!

@dalek, DH's armour is actually black. Its that deep blue they used to use in the four-colour days to represent black that often gets translated to blue for toys and other media. Spider-Man has long suffered this to the point where he is now red and blue, rather than red and black (as featured in Marvels).

inflatable dalek
2014-02-13, 08:58 PM
This is out now, though I'd forgotten about it until some Nick Roche art popped up on Kris Carter's Facebook feed.

As the cover suggests, it's actually a My Two Death's Heads comic rather than just the II version, and despite being well into this crossover it works perfectly fine as a standalone, other than the opening and closing it's basically a great big huge fun fight. And yes, the Tuck who caused such stirrings in Skyquake's heart is featured as well.

It is however kind of worrying that this mainstream(ish) Marvel comic managed to contain a reference making it firmly a part of the TFUK continuity in an entirely unobtrusive way that won't alienate new readers but ReGeneration One couldn't.


The issue is actually really a My Three Death's Heads, explaining what the hell was going on in DH3 and a massive fight between all versions of the character, tying directly into DHII's origin in six years. Bonkers stuff, but daftly entertaining none the less.

Art is, as you'd expect, really good.

Skyquake87
2014-02-13, 10:54 PM
I shall look forward to this (probably wont get to the comics shop until next week). I've been really enjoying this mini-event so far. Looking forward to seeing Motormouth.

And yay for Tuck!

inflatable dalek
2014-02-14, 08:12 AM
There's a spoiler free (as the hosts hadn't had time to read it yet) interview with Roche in this here podcast that has some interesting things in it:

http://www.geekplanetonline.com/hosting/originals/pubcast/?p=home

Stuff wot I learnt:

Roche was originally down for the Super Soldiers issue, and had to persuade the editor Death's Head was the sort of thing he could do (complete with slight sense of panic at having been given a job by Marvel and then going "No, what I'd actually like to do is...").

The feeling he might not be right for the book had nothing to do with being unaware of his prior robot credentials, but from wanting a grungy, dirty 90's style that the editor wasn't sure was his forte until a couple of audition sketches had been done.

The script was written in the old Marvel US style of synopsis then art then dialogue (as was Infestation, considering Lanning's involvement if Heart of Darkness was done the same way that explains a lot), meaning Roche got to contribute various moments and lines as he went along, including an Overkill mention and the Transformers nod.

Everytime they were in the same panel Roche did the best he could to make Death's Head I do something that made him look better than II.

The classic look for both versions was kept as Roche felt it was important for a one off return to not muck about with them, but if there were anymore he'd love to have a fiddle to come up with his own take on the character.

Apparently though, the sales for the series to date haven't been brilliant, so the odds on anymore for any of the British heroes isn't fantastic. Mind, I think Roche is being pessimistic on Marvel only paying attention to the Diamond figures, even if they're not published the digital and international sales are still going something Marvel are going to be aware of, and not ignore if they're making them good money.

I suppose it basically comes down to how much of an audience there really is for these characters in the UK (where the bulk of non-Diamond sales are going to be), is it just a very small but very loud group of die hard fans? These characters seem to be just popular enough for someone to have the idea of bringing one or more of them back every so often but never popular enough for it too last.

Mind, Death's Head is easily only second to Captain Britain himself in the recognisability stakes out of those featured, so if anyone stands a chance of breaking out it might be him.

If he could though, Roche would love to do a DH series treating him as the anti-Doctor Who, traveling through time to hunt down and kill people for money with a plucky young innocent sidekick who starts off thinking it's a great adventure before coming round to his way of thinking.

Skyquake87
2014-02-14, 10:11 AM
TBH, I'm not expecting much to come out of this. I'm just pleased to see these characters revisited. Its been twenty two years since Marvel UK launched Overkill and nearly twenty since the plug was pulled and no one's shown much interest in reviving these characters, save for the odd cameo role here and there.

Death's Head is probably the only one that most folk have heard of, even if its only because of Kieron Gillen's recent championing of the character.

I think these comics have probably reached a very small but loyal readership - and most of those in the UK. Without any support from the US, I think this might realistically be a final throw of the dice for this lot.

It'd be nice to have Marvel do the odd limited series or one-shot now and then. In some ways, its a bit of a shame Marvel Comics Presents isn't still on the go as that would be an ideal vehicle for minority characters like these.

Denyer
2014-02-16, 08:26 PM
Relatedly, not bad...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=720761614610704&set=a.573739832646217.1073741828.284302084923328&type=1

http://i.imgur.com/ilfKsZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ilfKsZV.jpg

inflatable dalek
2014-02-16, 08:29 PM
That's unexpected.

They'll announce the green version five minutes after I buy won't they?

Denyer
2014-02-16, 08:31 PM
Hope so. I'm in for that, DH2 and even DH3 if they make 'em all...

Unicron
2014-02-16, 09:27 PM
Ok yeah, need me one of those. Any idea what line that's being released under?

Denyer
2014-02-16, 10:17 PM
Marvel Legends 3+3/4" series, as far as I know, so the detailing's not bad for that.

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-02-16, 10:49 PM
Please please please be easily obtainable. I'll take two (one to repaint into the green outfit). Will look so awesome with my TFs, yes?

tahukanuva
2014-02-17, 04:02 AM
6" Scale would've been better for Transformers, but at this size he fits in with Marvel Universe and the new Doctor Who figures, so two out of three's not bad. Plus he'll still fit nicely with Cyberverse/Legends. I'm pretty excited for this guy.

Cliffjumper
2014-02-17, 05:17 AM
Personally I can't get used to the updated look. Colossus' classic costume was much better.

Skyquake87
2014-02-17, 07:18 AM
Not bad at all. Any ideas on release date? Or I have missed that?

tahukanuva
2014-02-17, 08:24 AM
Personally I can't get used to the updated look. Colossus' classic costume was much better.

This is a fab joke anyway, but it's extra funny because that toy is like, 85% the Colossus they've already released. Which is almost certainly the only reason he's getting made. I expect we'll see a larger one whenever Hasbro makes a 6" Colossus as well.

@Skyquake87; I don't think they said, but he's somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd wave of the new Avengers line, so sometime around summer or fall, I'd guess.

Death's Head
2014-02-17, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I'd prefer the green version, if only because his 'boots' are a little less camp than the above version.

I'd go for a "What If..." styled one as well. I mean, not that I can actually afford any of this plastic tat, but I can dream...

Enjoyed the new issue as well! It's apparently sold out of most London comic shops so I was forced to get the digital version, but that can only be a good sign I suppose. Nice to see Dragon's Claws make a brief appearance (and a mention of the Transformers - but not the Doctor, sadly!) and the banter between the Death's Heads was certainly serviceable (though DH2's monologuing at the largely mute baddies at the beginning was pretty painful. The caption box was invented for a reason!).

Death's Head
2014-02-17, 03:07 PM
If he could though, Roche would love to do a DH series treating him as the anti-Doctor Who, traveling through time to hunt down and kill people for money with a plucky young innocent sidekick who starts off thinking it's a great adventure before coming round to his way of thinking.

I love the sound of that. I was always tickled by Furman's comment in one of the DH TPBs about how DH was a kind of embodiment of the worst excesses of Thatcherism. While I don't think he quite put that across at the time (and lets face it, the 80s was hardly a time when people were shy about their hatred of Thatcher) it would be fun to do something with that satirical angle now, especially with the Tories back in and everyone fuming again.

Mind you, that's hardly likely to be something the Disney corporation would be particularly interested in pursuing!

Skyquake87
2014-02-17, 03:30 PM
I'm puzzled by Furman's comments that Death's Head's programming directives were a dig at Thatcherism (1. Always honour a contract, but never trust a client. 2. Make No Concessions for age, size or gender. 3. Never kill for free, but it pays to advertise - probably got them in the wrong order...) - they seemed more of a comment on Capitalism ... as well as a (possible) cheeky pinch from Robocop.

It's interesting comparing the Afterword in the 'Life And Times Of Death's Head' , to the introductions in the two Pannini trades for their different takes on how the character came about...by the same man. Is he Marvel UK's very own Jeffrey Archer..?

Roche's idea probably lends itself better to Death's Head II - he has already got the 'plucky assistant' in the shape of Tuck, after all - rather than Death's Head, whose time travel was always accidental , rather than a deliberate choice (save for when he was on retainer for the Time Variance Authority). But that's juyst me being a stick a in the mud.

If anything, I'd quite like to see Liam Sharp return to Death's Head. He was taking his version of the character to some interesting places before the axe fell at Marvel UK. Always think it was such a shame his 'Gold' story was never completed.

inflatable dalek
2014-02-17, 08:06 PM
I'm puzzled by Furman's comments that Death's Head's programming directives were a dig at Thatcherism (1. Always honour a contract, but never trust a client. 2. Make No Concessions for age, size or gender. 3. Never kill for free, but it pays to advertise - probably got them in the wrong order...) - they seemed more of a comment on Capitalism ... as well as a (possible) cheeky pinch from Robocop.

Thatcherism pretty much is capitalism personified though isn't it? As well as all the other worse stuff.

It's interesting comparing the Afterword in the 'Life And Times Of Death's Head' , to the introductions in the two Pannini trades for their different takes on how the character came about...by the same man. Is he Marvel UK's very own Jeffrey Archer..?

I've not had the Life and Times book for a few years, but I thought the origin in that was pretty much the same (allowing for the vagaries of memory). The Legacy of Unicron Titan book does have a completely different take on the creation of the character though, claiming Death's Head had been created first for his own, delayed, comic and in order to tide things over till that was gotten ready he was put in Transformers.

That's the sort of thing I could see being put in the Marvel UK paperwork at the time as a bit of retroactive cover to make absolutely sure Hasbro wouldn't even have the slightest claim on him (if you were being charitable such ass covering might have been the source of the claim from Marvel themselves when Death's Head 3 was announced that Bryan Hitch was the artist who created the character). Though as Furman was editor on the Titan books even if he didn't write those introductions he could have clarified any confusion a bit better.

Roche's idea probably lends itself better to Death's Head II - he has already got the 'plucky assistant' in the shape of Tuck, after all - rather than Death's Head, whose time travel was always accidental , rather than a deliberate choice (save for when he was on retainer for the Time Variance Authority). But that's juyst me being a stick a in the mud.

I'd assume any follow up would be DHII though, after all, this issue is titled after him despite the first two getting about equal page time and it's one of his writer's who was brought back for it rather than Furman so the assumption (on Marvel, if not the creative team's part) seems to be he's the bankable one.

Tuck doesn't seem really innocent, though I suspect your bias is coming into effect ;)

As for the toy reuse, I'd not thought of that but I suppose it should have been obvious such an obscure character wouldn't be a whole new toy. Still, it works though, and who gives a **** about Colossus?

I assume from it being mentioned in the new TF toys thread this is a Hasbro toy? So it probably won't be so shiny as their usual insane photoshop makes it look in the picture. Hey, how about a little crushed Shockwave head with it?

Denyer
2014-02-17, 08:26 PM
I assume from it being mentioned in the new TF toys thread this is a Hasbro toy?
Apparently, yes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Legends)

Death's Head
2014-02-17, 09:59 PM
If anything, I'd quite like to see Liam Sharp return to Death's Head. He was taking his version of the character to some interesting places before the axe fell at Marvel UK. Always think it was such a shame his 'Gold' story was never completed.

You could say it was going to some interesting places (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/psyphond.htm) :o

I do really like Liam Sharp's work but I could never enjoy DH2 as much, as cliche as it is to say. The character just didn't seem to have a point any more, and he certainly wasn't Death's Head any more (a point emphasised by having the original DH pop up in his head now and then). It's interesting to see that he's returned to bounty hunting in the new issue, something I don't think he ever did or even referenced after the original limited series.

I liked Nick's reinterpretation of the design, as well, giving it far more character and creating little bits of visual continuity between the two mechanoids.

Skyquake87
2014-02-18, 09:43 AM
oh yeah, without a doubt Dan Abnett really had no idea where to take DHII after the limited series and for the first seven issues of his ongoing, its all crossovers to avoid people noticing that this guy has no personality and no point.

What I liked about Liam's DHII Gold was that he gave the character a personality and we got to see how the whole 'cranial psyphon' thing actually worked and what that meant to this new DH. The original DH popping up in his psyche from time to time was always, I felt, a mistake. But then aside from one or two others, we have absolutely no idea about who else was scavenged to make up his personality.

I'm still to get this DH issue (hopefully today), but from what I've seen of Roche's design, its far more in keeping with Sharp's original horned skull in an armoured body than that awful jockstrap and massive horns look he ended up with (largely I feel because of the slightly crude way in which Simon Coleby drew the character - even now, I find Coleby's weird, misproportioned blocky art difficult to not only look at but also in terms of how it tells a story).

Death's Head
2014-02-18, 02:23 PM
Yeah, the Minion* design never really looked better than it did on its first appearance (arguably, on that iconic cover). Everyone just got lazy after that. Like you say, jock strap and horns.

I was always fond of Simon Coleby's Earthforce artwork. I'm not sure I even realised he drew Death's Head.

And while we're here, what the hell was going on with "Death Metal"? "Death Wreck"? How many different ways can you overexpose a property?

*Some friends of mine have a chihuahua named Minion. Strange.

Death's Head
2014-02-18, 02:29 PM
While we're on the subject of designs, what's everyone's opinion on the "new-old" designs for the thirty-foot Death's Head that cropped up in SWORD and Iron Man recently? Personally I don't mind them, but it's dangerous to mess with Geoff's original, which is packed full of character and can go from menacing to comedic in the space of a panel. These 'newer' ones are a bit too blank and robotic for my liking (as well as, if you're into all that, creating a continuity nightmare!).

Skyquake87
2014-02-18, 07:56 PM
I'll bite!

I like Steve Sanders take in S.W.O.R.D. which was very much based on the green body warmer wearing original. Just a shame it was coloured blue. Dale Eaglesham's take in Iron Man might as well be a completely new character. Whether its his unfamiliarity with the character or personal preference, I don't know, but the blank faced grill mouth isn't for me (nor actually is that Iron Man story - writer Kieron Gillen doesn't have the right feel for Iron Man, IMHO, and the cosmic aspects he's applied hint at what he'd rather be doing...).

Yeah, Simon Coleby chalked up a few DHII stories, he did the main work on the lead-in story on Warheads DHII's ongoing (Warheads # 6 & 7) and then took over as 'main' artist on the ongoing DHII with # 7 - doing a further two issues with 9 & 11 before Salvador Larrocca came on board for #12 - 15. Coleby isn't an artist whose style I particularly like. It was far too blocky and used some very odd perspective. Whether this was through trying to mimic the style Mike McMahon had adopted by this time, I don't know, but outside of some splash pages, he never felt suited to comic book storytelling IMHO.

And yeah, Death Metal and Death Wreck. A pitiful attempt by Marvel UK to capitalise on the biggest export. The Death 3 Limited series that introduced these three was pretty poor, and after turning out some stunning covers for Marvel UK, Del Barrass (same guy worked at Sunbow?) turned in some fairly mediocre interior art. This series pit all three 'death' brothers against Charnel in the alternate future glimpsed in the initial DHII Universe. Another of Dan Abnett's 'asleep at the wheel' jobs.

Of the follow on minis, Death Wreck is actually really good fun. Glenn Dakin makes no attempt to take the character seriously (its a drunk in the body of a sort of Frankenstien's monster created by Dr Necker as a prototype for Minion/ DHII). T art is really crisp and colourful too.

Death Metal, on the other hand is a terrible pile of poo. Simon Furman seems to have been given this character to write almost as an apology from Marvel UK and clearly has no interest. The story is about Death Metal just killing stuff relentlessly. A shameful waste of his time and John Royle's superb pencilling.

On topic, read the issue and it was very energetic and did a good job servicing the two versions of DH very well. Again, as in the old days, Death's Head's stronger personality wins out over his successor. Some smart lines of dialogue in there too. And Tuck! Yay! Whatever else was wrong with DHII, Tuck was always ace. Bit of a shame Dr Necker is just reduce to ranting loon. And Nick Roche's art was suitably energetic. Bright and breezy fun, but not as substantial perhaps as the previous Dark Angel and Knights Of Pendragon entries.

inflatable dalek
2014-02-21, 04:25 PM
I've never even heard of all these other Death comics.

If nothing else I'm learning all sorts of stuff about DHII I never knew before, if "Name Death's Head II Spin Off comics" ever comes up on Pointless, I'll be sure to win.

One thought... This issue ends with Death's Head I knowing about everything that is subsequently going to happen to him (and though Roche compares it to a twisted Day of the Doctor in the above podcast the main way you can tell it was written before that aired is that there's no mention of him not retaining his memories upon returning to his own time stream). Chance for him to affect his own future perhaps?

Death's Head
2014-02-22, 05:12 PM
With a character like Death's Head you can kind of have your cake and eat it, really - no reason why there can't be two of him running around. In fact, after this issue it seems there's at least five versions about the place - The three 'main' incarnations (1, 2, 3), then the pre-TF giant Death's Head and the What If..? version. Six if you include the aforementioned 'Psyphon'.

Sort of makes Doctor Who's continuity seem normal!

inflatable dalek
2014-02-22, 06:48 PM
Because I'm still experimenting with YouTube I thought I'd actually make a video talking about this. My cat steals the whole thing though with her ill advised opinion on Death's Head II:

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Skyquake87
2014-02-23, 08:54 AM
I like your videos. I watched all the TF:TM one nicely. Do I get a prize?

Nice summing up of the comic. I suspect the reason Dragon's Claws (and indeed Night Raven, to say nothing of Ghengis Grimtoad) haven't shown up in this Marvel UK revival is for the very reason you mention : no one remembers them (also : set in the far far future and removed from the 'present day' setting of the likes of Motormouth). The Marvel UK characters that burst out in '92 had a lot of marketing and support behind them - including Marvel US which helped them gain wider exposure.

The original Death's Head II mini-series launched ahead of the main Marvel UK roll-out in America (and the UK) as part of Marvel's 'Big Shots' event (which launched new titles for Nomad, Cage and Terror Inc). The back up pages contain promotional art from Geoff Senior and Liam Sharp advertising the new Marvel UK 'Sub-Verse' giving the low down on Hell's Angel, Motormouth, Warheads and the revamped Knights Of Pendragon.

A lot of people probably do have very er, fond memories of Tuck. She wasn't known for wearing much. Although starting off clothed in a leather leotard, furs and warpaint, by the time we get to Death's Head II's ongoing series, she's practically naked (although not as naked as supporting character Phaedra ends up). Mind you, this was the era of Image comics, so female characters were pretty much drawn as masturbatory aides and Tuck, sadly, falls into this style. Its a shame really, as she's a great character and all most people will remember are her enormous boobs.

Good point about Transformers artists getting stuck in that ghetto. There's only really Bryan Hitch whom has successfully escaped the giant robots gravitational pull. Andrew Wildman had a bloody good go though, working on quite a few lower tier Marvel books. I don't know why that is. Well, actually I do. For one, there is something of a stigma to being seen as tied to a licensed property and for two, a lot of modern Transformers artists - the likes of Don Fig and so on, actually struggle drawing humans. Nick Roche definitely deserves better though. I love his energetic artwork - especially on this DH issue.

inflatable dalek
2014-02-24, 05:40 PM
The Marvel guys probably made a better fist of moving on (but then, for them Transformers was a stepping stone in paying their dues rather than something they particularly wanted to work on), IIRC I think James Raiz is the only one of the post-Dreamwave artists to make much of an impression on mainstream comics with a bit of Wonder Woman work, though I don't know if his recent return is out of a remaining fondness for the franchise or because the other work has dried up.

Is there anything more hilarious than Don Figueroa stomping off not once, but twice in the middle of an arc he was supposed to be doing in order to pursue "Proper" work only to completely and utterly fail at it whilst also managing to wreck his previously high reputation with the fans he already had?

I mean, fair enough if he thought a clean break might help, but would it really have hurt to get that one extra guaranteed bit of work by just drawing one more Beast Wars issue?

I can see why poor old Dragon got ignored by this series (if nothing else, he pre-dates the general 90's theme, presumably Death's Head only snuck in because of the second version being from that era), but it is a shame the first ever Marvel UK "US" style book is relagated to a one panel cameo.

Unless he's going to turn out to be the secret villain "I'm way better than you Super Soldiers! Who do you think you are, Captain America or something?"

I'm glad Tuck discovered clothes for this comic.

Skyquake87
2014-02-24, 10:05 PM
Ah, artistic hubris. Where would we be without it?

I can understand folk getting fed up with their day job, but must have missed Don Fig's hissy fit. Oh well, I hope he's happy.

Yup, DHII is in Revolutionary War as part of the starting line-up of the Marvel UK 'invasion'. I have no idea, why out of all the other Marvel UK characters, Super Soldiers was picked for this jamboree though. Wild Thing, Black Axe or Digitek would have been my preferred choices (or even the rather good Cyberspace 3000).

(Super Soldiers premise, for those not in the know, is that the Super Soldier serum used on Captain Britain was also applied to some British soldiers with, er, violent and similar results to Universal Soldier).

I am also glad Tuck had some clothes on. Much more practical.

Denyer
2014-03-29, 12:18 PM
Pre-orders beginning to show up on eBay, albeit US and way over retail price.

http://i.imgur.com/qGnoSiP.jpg
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Skyquake87
2014-03-30, 08:59 AM
Bet he doesn't have interchangeable wrist weaponry at that scale... still looks pretty nifty, but knowing how scarce these MU figures are in the UK, its going to be an off puttingly expensive import. Boo.

Death's Head
2014-03-30, 01:46 PM
Bah, how hard is it to make a hand that pops off? Optimus Prime manages it!

inflatable dalek
2014-05-08, 08:10 PM
Whilst watching the voodoo episode of Danger Man from 1964 earlier I was surprised when a giant white statue turned out to have a unexpectedly familiar face (he even looks like he's got Geoff Senior eyes!). Bizarre coincidence:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152230381929219&l=f0ea9f78f2

Death's Head
2014-05-08, 08:37 PM
Crikey, is that from the half-hour episodes? Don't think I've seen that!

inflatable dalek
2014-05-09, 07:08 AM
One of the hour ones, A Man to be Trusted but as it's only briefly in the background it's more than easy to miss (this is, I think, the third time I've watched the series and I've not noticed it before).

The whole episode (seemingly copied from one of the old ITC videos based on the opening logo, that gave me Sapphire and Steel flashbacks) is on YouTube, with full papier mâché Death's Head action at about the twenty minute mark:

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Though obviously a coincidence, I do like to now think of Geoff Senior sitting in his stately home wearing silk pyjamas and cravat, chewing on his pipe and thinking "What form shall my new robot creation take?" right before a Danger Man video comes crashing through his window.

Death's Head
2014-05-09, 07:35 PM
Ah yes, I have seen that one. I remember the oily police chief, but managed to completely miss the Death's Head cameo! I'm due a rewatch soon, so I'll keep an eye oot.

God, I love Danger Man. And Drake. He's just so...competent. I'm not a gay man*, but there's something hugely attractive about that. Ahem.

Though obviously a coincidence, I do like to now think of Geoff Senior sitting in his stately home wearing silk pyjamas and cravat, chewing on his pipe and thinking "What form shall my new robot creation take?" right before a Danger Man video comes crashing through his window.

I've never met Geoff Senior, but if I ever do and he is cravat-less, I'll be most upset.

*To be read in the voice of Matt Berry

inflatable dalek
2014-05-10, 07:11 PM
God, I love Danger Man. And Drake. He's just so...competent. I'm not a gay man*, but there's something hugely attractive about that. Ahem.

I really want a nice charcoal suit like the one he wears in some of the later episodes (and by amazing coincidence Number 6 wears as his "Normal" clothes in The Prisoner.

I think McGoohan's rather old fashioned morality really helps Danger Man in terms of it being a lot less dated in terms of sexism and racism compared to a lot of the other ITC shows around the same time (with the exception of Arabs- who tend to be Alf Garnett in a turban- non-white's are usually played by at least roughly the right ethnicity).

The half hour episodes are a good watch as well, though any attempt by the show to not just seem like an overly long warm up for The Prisoner is undone by the first person seen in the first episode (in the production order on the DVD's) is Peter Swanswick.


I've never met Geoff Senior, but if I ever do and he is cravat-less, I'll be most upset.


The amazing thing about Geoff Senior is he looks exactly like a Geoff Senior drawing (basically if he entered a cosplay competition as Dragon, he'd win it). You could break rocks on his jaw now, it must have been truly impressive when he was in his twenties.

Death's Head
2014-05-11, 12:23 AM
I really want a nice charcoal suit like the one he wears in some of the later episodes (and by amazing coincidence Number 6 wears as his "Normal" clothes in The Prisoner.

:) Every episode is a lesson in style, manners, dress, smoking and drinking. I'm still disappointed when I go for a job interview and I'm not offered a scotch.

I think McGoohan's rather old fashioned morality really helps Danger Man in terms of it being a lot less dated in terms of sexism and racism compared to a lot of the other ITC shows around the same time (with the exception of Arabs- who tend to be Alf Garnett in a turban- non-white's are usually played by at least roughly the right ethnicity).


Yeah, Danger Man certainly manages its ethnic minority characters better than most, with a broad spread of heroes and villains and those in between, and most get their share of screen time and good lines. Alright, Burt Kwouk shows up a little too often, perhaps (for some - not for me!) but like you say, Drake is always on the side of the angels, even if his superiors aren't.

I wouldn't say his morality is entirely old-fashioned - his politics are pretty progressive for a British agent. The episode Whatever Happened to George Foster is one that springs to mind, where Drake helps prevent a business-backed, right-wing coup in a fictional Latin American state.

Of course, all this good work falls down entirely in the colour episodes. It's the whitest, most middle-aged martial-arts society I've ever seen. Which would be fine if the episode was set in, I dunno, 1960s Stoke.


The half hour episodes are a good watch as well, though any attempt by the show to not just seem like an overly long warm up for The Prisoner is undone by the first person seen in the first episode (in the production order on the DVD's) is Peter Swanswick.

I've still not seen the half-hour ones. He has the funny accent in them, doesn't he? Same one he uses in the first couple of 50-minute episodes. I find it very odd.


The amazing thing about Geoff Senior is he looks exactly like a Geoff Senior drawing (basically if he entered a cosplay competition as Dragon, he'd win it). You could break rocks on his jaw now, it must have been truly impressive when he was in his twenties.

Christ, in that case I hope I never meet Dan Reed. Or Manny Galan.

inflatable dalek
2014-05-11, 01:45 AM
:) Every episode is a lesson in style, manners, dress, smoking and drinking. I'm still disappointed when I go for a job interview and I'm not offered a scotch.

It would really great to have lived 50/40/30/20/10/ButHonestNotToday years ago when pretty much every decision ever was made in relation to drink and smoking.



I wouldn't say his morality is entirely old-fashioned - his politics are pretty progressive for a British agent. The episode Whatever Happened to George Foster is one that springs to mind, where Drake helps prevent a business-backed, right-wing coup in a fictional Latin American state.

It is sort of weird, in that everyone involved in the making of the show found it horribly catholic and unbend-able, but today it seems really modern and progressive. McGoohan was clearly a man with issues (there's that famous example from The Prisoner where he found it easier to stick his daughter in a wig and act out "intimate"- in in other words face stroking- scenes with her rather than just play opposite the actress playing his potential love interest) but he was also something of a genius who just through his presence created something not of its time.

Of course, all this good work falls down entirely in the colour episodes. It's the whitest, most middle-aged martial-arts society I've ever seen. Which would be fine if the episode was set in, I dunno, 1960s Stoke.

Oh yes, Audrey from Corrie is playing Japanese in the colour episodes isn't she? It says something for the clout he had by then he was able to quit and go "We won't do this... we're going to do this!" (and the irony is, the half of the production team who didn't go onto The Prisoner wound up on Man in a Suitcase, with an even more unforgiving lead and none of the dramatic rewards).



I've still not seen the half-hour ones. He has the funny accent in them, doesn't he? Same one he uses in the first couple of 50-minute episodes. I find it very odd.

Yep, the early (again, in the production order they're on the DVD's) episodes of The Saint have a similar problem, hearing Roger Moore doing an American/trans-Altantic accent is just odd.

Have you seen Ice Station Zebra? Before getting the blu ray (oddly complete with overture and intermission screens) and just relying on memories from TV broadcasts when I was a kid I always took the "He's playing Drake/No. 6!" claims with a pinch of salt. But no, he's a British spy under a false name who is clearly increasingly pissed off (and McGoohan's erratic SHOUTING VERY LOUD of certain lines shows the stress he was under from his TV commitments), it absolutely makes perfect sense in the film for him to be playing the same character between Danger Man and The Prisoner and about to go off the deep end.

He resigned because he found out you couldn't even trust the bloke from Airwolf



Christ, in that case I hope I never meet Dan Reed. Or Manny Galan.

On topic-ish... I can't speak for Reed and Galen, but Lee Sullivan and Andy Wildman don't look like characters they've drawn (Sullivan, if anything, looks amazingly like Terry "Davros" Malloy), but the first time I met Senior I was all "OK, turns out you didn't have a style... you just thought everyone looks like that". Seriously, his self portrait in issue 200, is exactly him.

Death's Head
2014-05-13, 05:46 PM
It is sort of weird, in that everyone involved in the making of the show found it horribly catholic and unbend-able, but today it seems really modern and progressive. McGoohan was clearly a man with issues (there's that famous example from The Prisoner where he found it easier to stick his daughter in a wig and act out "intimate"- in in other words face stroking- scenes with her rather than just play opposite the actress playing his potential love interest) but he was also something of a genius who just through his presence created something not of its time.


Ah yes, what was it he said? "No one kisses Patrick McGoohan except Mrs McGoohan!" I find it quite sweet, to be honest. Admirable to see someone not just espousing moral virtues, but actually doing his best to live up to them. A very interesting man, our Pat.


Oh yes, Audrey from Corrie is playing Japanese in the colour episodes isn't she? It says something for the clout he had by then he was able to quit and go "We won't do this... we're going to do this!" (and the irony is, the half of the production team who didn't go onto The Prisoner wound up on Man in a Suitcase, with an even more unforgiving lead and none of the dramatic rewards).

Yeah, the colour episodes look absolutely lovely, and there's a small thrill in seeing Drake in action in colour!!! But the intelligence and charm of the earlier episodes is jettisoned for some terrible silliness.


Have you seen Ice Station Zebra? Before getting the blu ray (oddly complete with overture and intermission screens) and just relying on memories from TV broadcasts when I was a kid I always took the "He's playing Drake/No. 6!" claims with a pinch of salt. But no, he's a British spy under a false name who is clearly increasingly pissed off (and McGoohan's erratic SHOUTING VERY LOUD of certain lines shows the stress he was under from his TV commitments), it absolutely makes perfect sense in the film for him to be playing the same character between Danger Man and The Prisoner and about to go off the deep end.

He resigned because he found out you couldn't even trust the bloke from Airwolf

Sadly not - though it is on my faulty hard drive, so assuming I can recover the data it'll be on my to-watch list. I love the idea of linking Danger Man to the Prisoner via Ice Station Zebra. On a similar note, doesn't Bernard Lee turn up as Drake's boss in a couple of episodes?


(Sullivan, if anything, looks amazingly like Terry "Davros" Malloy).

:) Amazing!

inflatable dalek
2014-05-13, 07:56 PM
Ah yes, what was it he said? "No one kisses Patrick McGoohan except Mrs McGoohan!" I find it quite sweet, to be honest. Admirable to see someone not just espousing moral virtues, but actually doing his best to live up to them. A very interesting man, our Pat.

I must check out that biography of him at some point, I expect the wilderness years in LA (with only the odd Columbo to break up the monotony of doing things like Baby and The Phantom) post his No. 6 breakdown are quite interesting as well.


Yeah, the colour episodes look absolutely lovely, and there's a small thrill in seeing Drake in action in colour!!! But the intelligence and charm of the earlier episodes is jettisoned for some terrible silliness.

The film version is quite fun however, just for them putting a bit more effort in that the usual "Slap two episodes together and call in a movie" ITC efforts as they actually filmed some extra scenes to link the two shows a bit more firmly. On TV Burt Kwouk is just a chauffeur, in the film he's... well basically Kato from The Pink Panther.



On a similar note, doesn't Bernard Lee turn up as Drake's boss in a couple of episodes?


IIRC he is one of his bosses in his first episode, in the other there's even more added irony as he's a very specific send up of Hugo Drax (from the novel of course).

Denyer
2014-05-21, 07:58 PM
Even more OT;

https://www.facebook.com/events/285896958202079/

Maybe we should put this thread in another forum now?

Skyquake87
2014-05-21, 08:31 PM
I was on FB, I might have joined in with that...

inflatable dalek
2014-05-23, 11:01 AM
Maybe we should put this thread in another forum now?


If the poster Death's Head posts in a thread about Death's Head everything he talks about is on topic. That's the credo by which I live my life.


That's why my life is the way it is.





Some awesome stuff on the DDH Day page.


Err, Comics or GD at this stage?

Denyer
2014-05-23, 06:19 PM
I'd say non-TF comics/toys.

inflatable dalek
2014-08-07, 07:20 PM
I thought I'd bump this old Danger Man thread to talk a little about Death's Head...


I've now read the full Revolutionary Wars trade (which I'm planning to get signed by Master Roche this weekend), considering I don't really know anything about any of the characters bar DH himself it managed to be a good solid fun read that only really suffered from the episodic nature of the set up. It very nicely managed to seed background on the surprise baddy for readers unfamiliar with them (like me) whilst still making it a surprise (though I don't know how well that'd work for people who know the old comics- was this character such a major part of them their not appearing was never in doubt?).

The weakest issue was the Super Soldiers one, spoofing bad and clichéd dialogue in Hollywood films is only going to work if the rest of your comic isn't filled with every cliché known to man about how Hollywood people talk and act (The lead actor is such a diva he doesn't even let a mass monster attack divert him from his demanding HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ha.).

I did like the Knights of... issue though. Zombie King Arthur and his Zombie Knights of the Zombie Round Table ("How can you have a zombie round table?") were brilliant, and the UKIP baiting reveal of the "New" ideal British God/superhero/protector had no subtlety to it but was a good visual gag none the less.

All in all, it's a romp but it's a fun romp.

Skyquake87
2014-08-07, 09:58 PM
I have this trade and would agree with that assessment. I was especially pleased that the Knights chapter was more in keeping with the original series, rather than the dull superheroics the '92 relaunch turned into.

Super Soldiers was turd though. Clearly an unloved bunch by all involved. Which makes you wonder why they picked them when Digitek or Black Axe would have been better choices..?

Oh, and the big bad villain surprise twist? Not really, but it did mean he was less annoying than he was first time around. Just a shame his end came about by suddenly learning the error of his ways and being asked to be put out of his misery. I hate that kind of "er...er..quick need to wrap this up...er..." feel to this kind of development.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-11, 11:17 AM
There might be life in the old dog yet. A tease from Marvel about the titles that can be expected from whatever the current reboot relaunch refranchise is called includes Death's Head (and Simon Williams was delighted on Twitter that some of his old art was used):

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/11666316_10153093258976359_3556169618902307891_n-600x450.jpg

Skyquake87
2015-07-11, 08:18 PM
Oh possibly part of this Secret Wars thing, so I expect plenty of oddness from that. I'm only reading Secret Wars : 2099 (which is fun so far) and Secret Wars : Ghost Racers. A lot of these titles are bringing characters out of retirement, which is good, but I know its not going to last and we're just going to have a shakedown that'll end up with a bunch of core Marvel books based on whichever of their films is popular at the cinema.

This whole thing is probably so they don't have to do another fudge with Johnny Storm like they did so so badly with Nick Fury in the comics. Why the two things can't stand on their own merits is beyond me, as there's no real evidence to suggest new readers are brought into comics as a result of the films.

Wonder what Simon Williams is up to these days? I should find out. He's a great artist, but another British artist whose not made the expected leap to the wider world of comics, which is a crying shame.

Skyquake87
2015-10-01, 08:22 PM
An interesting thing has popped up for Pre-Order on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785199268?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Marvel UK's Frontier Imprint books are well worth a look, having aged very well (they are similar in tone and intent to a lot of Vertigo stuff).