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Hound
2014-03-14, 03:57 AM
After two years absence I finally got caught up on MTMTE and RID and I've loved every page and am now trying to get caught up on RegenerationOne but am not so enthusiastic.

I think it's because I've been spoiled by the modern series. Wildman just isn't doing it for me. I thought he was great back in the day but now it all just looks dated and sloppy and lazy. Furman's story isn't great but it isn't terrible either. I'm curious to see where he takes this.

My question is this: Is there any chance of a creative team change or does that just eliminate the point of this relaunch thing?

Unicron
2014-03-14, 04:19 AM
I'm pretty sure the plan for ReGeneration One has always been to end with issue 100 (should be the next issue, I think), so I doubt a team change is likely. Unless for some insane reason IDW decide to continue on with it, which I doubt but one never knows.

Auntie Slag
2014-03-14, 09:36 AM
Looking at the Comic Sales Thread I can't see why they wouldn't continue if Furman and co are game. It does similar numbers to MTMTE and RID so why not?

I totally agree with you Hound on the art and the story. Great for '88, but anachronistic in 2014. MTMTE is like a young lady in a summer dress with the sunlight glistening in her hair by comparison.

Although a young lady is a summer dress etc is obviously better. I'm sure James would agree :)

Cliffjumper
2014-03-14, 02:05 PM
I don't think there's a worst recipe for comics than creators trying to ape what they used to do twenty years ago; it's impossible for Furman to mentally recreate the mindset that made his eighties material so memorable. He's been ruined by fandom and his willingness to placate fandom.

Warcry
2014-03-14, 03:54 PM
Looking at the Comic Sales Thread I can't see why they wouldn't continue if Furman and co are game. It does similar numbers to MTMTE and RID so why not?
Neither IDW nor Hasbro actually wanted to publish the series to start with, so that probably plays a role in why they insisted on stopping at #100 after all the fandom petitions (at least partly orchestrated by Simon "I like easy money" Furman, IIRC) convinced them it would sell.

I haven't even considered reading the book in over a year now, but even from the first couple issues it was clear that Furman and Wildman's hearts aren't really in it. And I'm not entirely sure why that should surprise anyone. When was the last time that Furman actually wrote something good? G2? I mean, the second War Within mini started off nicely but quickly went in the toilet after The Fallen derailed the plot and Infiltration looked like it had promise before Furman repudiated all of his interesting ideas in the next minis in favour of GIANT ROBOT SMASHY FIGHTS, but I really don't think I could class any of his Dreamwave or IDW output as genuinely good.

The fact that he borrowed plot points for RG1 from his own previous IDW work and threads on other boards about minor plot points from the old comics that he totally needed to address probably should have set off some red flags too.

Blackjack
2014-03-14, 03:57 PM
Right, I'm supposed to be reviewing this series, am I not? The bullshit he did with everything has killed off interest for me since, oh, since whichever issue showed up with a Bayformer Rook.

Auntie Slag
2014-03-14, 05:55 PM
Neither IDW nor Hasbro actually wanted to publish the series to start with, so that probably plays a role in why they insisted on stopping at #100 after all the fandom petitions (at least partly orchestrated by Simon "I like easy money" Furman, IIRC) convinced them it would sell.

Does that really matter? If its a good idea that deserves a second outing then why not? Other people do it frequently. James Roberts said he's not averse to using ideas from his Eugenesis novel in future MTMTE stories. I think Furman's done IDW a good favour with Regeneration One. It may not be to your taste or mine, and it does kind of sicken me that it sells the same if not more than MTMTE, but it sells. If anything IDW should now be asking him if he'd like to continue after Issue 100.

When was the last time that Furman actually wrote something good? G2?

He did that Beast Wars two-parter. That was great! I liked the -ation series, had a very different feel to G1 and G2.

I'm no longer a fan, but the guy must be a bit silvertongued and charming (in a Smokescreen way) to get his book commissioned based on a 20+ year old aesthetic that while not a critical, is something of a commercial success!

And the numbers that RID, Regen and MTMTE are shifting are fairly decent, yes? And equal, like three sprinters crossing the finish line at the same time... despite one of them being far better on paper than the other two.

Auntie Slag
2014-03-15, 11:58 AM
Here's a good example of reusing good ideas or implementing good ideas from others; I was always impressed by Pax's speech in Chaos Theory, when he's being forced out of the Senate (and possible execution) after questioning their authority.

Well, the MP Tony Benn died yesterday and I came across a statement he made nine years ago. It looks like Roberts took that statement and applied it to Pax (Tony Pax?). I think it works really well:

ASK THE POWERFUL 5 QUESTIONS

What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
How can we get rid of you?

(Tony Benn 2005)

Death's Head
2014-03-15, 06:09 PM
Just don't tell the septics that there's a bit of socialism in their Transformers! ;)

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-03-15, 09:42 PM
Here's a good example of reusing good ideas or implementing good ideas from others; I was always impressed by Pax's speech in Chaos Theory, when he's being forced out of the Senate (and possible execution) after questioning their authority.

Well, the MP Tony Benn died yesterday and I came across a statement he made nine years ago. It looks like Roberts took that statement and applied it to Pax (Tony Pax?). I think it works really well:

ASK THE POWERFUL 5 QUESTIONS

What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
How can we get rid of you?

(Tony Benn 2005)

That. Is. Fracking. EPIC! Too cool. But surely this means Megatron is Bennbot, not Pax, as Pax was merely delivering Megs' ideas to the senate?

Auntie Slag
2014-03-15, 10:34 PM
Totally agree.

I love Chaos Theory, I kick myself when I remember glossing over it in the shops. I wasn't buying any comics at the time, just leafing through it thinking it looked interesting.

Je suis muppet!

inflatable dalek
2014-03-16, 01:41 AM
Does Prime look as cool smoking a pipe though?

inflatable dalek
2014-03-16, 02:12 AM
And (assuming it is deliberate rather than an amazing coincidence...) what does Pax's/Megatron's quoting of Benn say about how Cybertron politics relates to those of Britain in 2005?

I'm sure there's no analogy between Nominus- the dead in the water incumbent- and Sentinel- the keen to get the top job but doesn't last very long in it when he does get there because he is, at best, a bit shit- and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown is there?