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Philister
2014-04-19, 08:18 AM
Inspired by Warcry's excellent "30 greatest characters" poll:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/VoteTop30Signature.jpg

To celebrate the 30th anniversary of our beloved toyline, we're trying to figure out which are the greatest toys from 30 years. We're asking fans to pick their top 30 toys and we're hoping many of you will participate to make this a great and fun happening.

Read the Rules here (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2821)

Then Cast your vote here! (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/Top30Form.php)

Voting deadline is April 30, 2014 and we'll publish the results starting May 3.

Denyer
2014-04-19, 08:13 PM
Voted, but an increasingly large proportion of things I have out on display aren't official Transformers these days. Besides that it's mainly split between MP and CHUG, with a few original era pieces that have sentimental value.

Philister
2014-04-20, 10:42 AM
A few people remarked that they tend more towards 3rd Party products these days than official Transformers, but I fear that including 3rd Party toys would have blown this thing completely out of proportion.

But maybe someone can be persuaded to do the same thing for 3rd Party TFs.

Philister
2014-04-20, 10:46 AM
Sorry, hit "send" twice...

Denyer
2014-04-20, 01:04 PM
Not sure a "top XX" would work yet, but give it a few years...

Terome
2014-04-22, 02:32 PM
I too have voted. Had to wrack my brains a bit as my collection is scattered across the world at this point. Tried to prioritise 'fun' and 'design' over 'character' except in the case of Sky-Byte, who isn't the best toy but he's Sky-Byte, you know?

Is it controversial to say that Pretender Bumblebee is the best toy of G1 Bumblebee so far?

Philister
2014-04-22, 04:31 PM
Is it controversial to say that Pretender Bumblebee is the best toy of G1 Bumblebee so far?

Well, he was my very first Bumblebee, so if there is a controversy, I'm on your side of it. ;)

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-04-22, 06:18 PM
My G1 Bumblebee vote may actually go to the Kreon... ;)

Philister
2014-04-24, 01:07 PM
Then get voting. Don't think I've got anything from you yet. ;)

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-04-24, 06:06 PM
True enough. I'll try to find some time to give it some thought. :)

Philister
2014-04-25, 09:46 AM
Looking forward to it. Five days left, people!

Mr_Hi_n_Mitey
2014-04-28, 07:03 PM
Starscream and Jazz all the way, dudes!

Philister
2014-04-28, 07:52 PM
50 hours and 7 minutes left to vote, people!

Philister
2014-04-30, 06:12 AM
Voting closes today at midnight Middle European Time. Last chance to cast your vote.

Philister
2014-04-30, 10:45 PM
Voting is now closed. Results will be posted staring May 3.

Philister
2014-05-03, 09:14 AM
Your votes have been counted and the top 30 Transformers of 30 years are now in. We're starting with positions 30 to 26:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_30to26.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2832)

Philister
2014-05-04, 09:26 AM
Our Top 30 Countdown continues with numbers 25 through 21:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_25to21.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2834)

Warcry
2014-05-05, 05:29 AM
Wow, seriously? I'm very pleasantly surprised that the version of Unicron that I voted for made the list. Even more surprised that he beat out the Armada toy, which isn't as pretty but is way, way more historically significant.

Though I guess by now, much of the fandom probably wasn't around in 2003 to see first-hand how big a deal he was (I actually considered voting Armada myself, but didn't feel right voting for a version of the toy that I didn't own). I'm not sure I've ever seen the entire fandom so excited about something as we were about the big guy.

Philister
2014-05-05, 08:03 AM
I remember when Armada Unicron first came out (not in Germany, sadly) and he was one of the first TFs I imported. Didn't know a thing about Armada then, just wanted that Unicron toy. ;)

And on that note, here are the next five spots:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_20to16.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2836)

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-05-05, 05:46 PM
I'm enjoying this countdown. Unfortunately I couldn't find the time to vote. I also couldn't filter the dozens of TF toys I've had over the years into any sort of coherent "best of" list, as hard as I could try. There is so much that can be said for so many TF toys.

I'm interested to look into Transformers Universe some more, too. I'm hoping to move to Germany some time in the near (or nearish) future, so it's good to know there is a German TF fan community to dive into. Reading about TFs in German will hopefully help to sharpen up my language skills too. And boy, do they need sharpening up! :lol:

Philister
2014-05-05, 06:24 PM
Well, I have everything bi-lingual on Transformers-Universe.com, so you can brush up your skills by reading about TFs. ;)

Let me know when you get here, I can put you in contact with some German TF fans, no problem.

Philister
2014-05-06, 06:56 AM
And we continue:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_15to11.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2838)

I'm going to take a break from this rapid posting and we'll continue into the Top 10 come May 9.

Philister
2014-05-09, 05:56 AM
Okay, I've had my break, and I'm ready to continue. Here comes the number 10 Top Transformer from 30 years by popular vote:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_10.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2840)

Warcry
2014-05-09, 09:36 PM
A well deserved top-10 finish! Easily one of my favourite toys in the modern retail lines (I think I had him at #2 when I voted).

Philister
2014-05-10, 09:18 AM
And we continue with number 9:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_09.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2842)

Philister
2014-05-11, 12:49 PM
I thought I already posted this last night shortly after midnight, but apparently not. Well, it's still May 11, so here is number 8 in our Top 30 Countdown:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_08.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2844)

tahukanuva
2014-05-11, 05:15 PM
Leader Starscream is the number one Transformer of all time forever.

(For real though, it's swell that he made it so high. )

Philister
2014-05-12, 06:46 AM
And we continue our countdown with number 7:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_07.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2846)

another tf fan
2014-05-13, 06:03 AM
Fascinating Buster PRIME got a seperate call-out.

Philister
2014-05-13, 06:30 AM
And at number 6 we have MORE POWER!

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_06.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2848)

Warcry
2014-05-13, 01:33 PM
Yes! Very, very surprised that he beat out the original, but this guy absolutely deserves a spot on the list.

He remains the best Christmas gift I ever received. Though mine looks absolutely nothing like the one in the picture anymore, it was played with so much. :)

Philister
2014-05-14, 07:31 AM
I personally prefer God Ginrai, much I remember cajoling my grandmum (not the one who bought me FortMax, the other one) to give me the missing money to buy him in stores back in '89, I think.

And here is our next spot:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_05.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2850)

Philister
2014-05-15, 06:34 AM
Well, we're now up to number four and guess what, true believers: it's our final Optimus Prime toy. Yep, the big guy fields a full third of this Top 30 list, and this is his most popular incarnation. Give it up for MP-10, the winner of the intra-Optimi competition.

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_04.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2852)

Warcry
2014-05-15, 05:47 PM
Very surprised to see that MP-10 didn't win a popularity vote! though I suspect with MP-01 also on the list there were a lot of people who only wanted to vote for one of the two.

Three left to go...I'm going to guess Generations Springer, MP Grimlock and MP Soundwave!

Tetsuro
2014-05-16, 12:27 AM
I'm surprised Fort Max made it to top ten.

And that he beat Gen. Metroplex.

...or that Tidal Wave ranked at all.

Philister
2014-05-16, 06:21 AM
And Bronze goes to...

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_03.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2854)

Philister
2014-05-17, 09:18 AM
And Silver goes to:

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_02.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2856)

Terome
2014-05-17, 12:43 PM
So how does one in the UK get their hands on a Masterpiece Soundwave?

Warcry
2014-05-17, 02:41 PM
Damn straight, Soundwave superior! :up:

Actually a bit surprised he wasn't in first place, to be honest.

So how does one in the UK get their hands on a Masterpiece Soundwave?
I doubt UK TRUs still have him on the shelf, so you'd have to go about it the same way as everyone else: buy him online and hope not to get gouged too badly!

Some places still have the second run of Takara's Soundwave in stock (he's $140 at BBTS, I know that), though of course he only comes with the one tape. If you're looking for the Hasbro version and/or want to buy the other Takara tapes individually, it'll probably cost you an obscene amount of cash by now.

inflatable dalek
2014-05-17, 04:52 PM
It's going to be Generations Springer isn't it?





[If not, his omission from this list is exhibit A for why democracy doesn't work.]

Warcry
2014-05-17, 06:27 PM
It's going to be Generations Springer isn't it?
I'd be quite surprised if it wasn't, though IMO he really doesn't deserve to be #1. How could he be when Sandstorm is just a little bit better in so many ways, from alt-mode designs to colour scheme to paint apps to plastic quality to parts that actually fit together properly? But the toy is so popular that I can't imagine he didn't make the list at all. And since all the other toys I'd expect to be in the mix for #1 have already shown up...

inflatable dalek
2014-05-17, 06:42 PM
Maybe he looks better in the flesh, but I've always thought Sandstorm looks a bit too messy to be as good as Springer. It's churlish to chide Hasbro for really going to town on the reworking, but it mostly seems a bit OTT.

Agreed it's more of a top 30 placing than a winner though.

Warcry
2014-05-17, 08:11 PM
I would have 100% agreed with you right up until I had one in hand.

When I first got Springer I thought he was really good, but that the plastic was too shiny and cheap-looking for it to really be great (especially that yellow). Everything on Sandstorm just seems a bit sharper, and the flatter plastic looks nicer IMO. I also vastly prefer his two alt-modes, which change a lot more than Springer's do.

Of course, the trade-off for that is that Sandstorm winds up with a sizable set of wings in robot mode. Plus Sandstorm isn't an iconic character like Springer and the toy doesn't look much like him anyway.

I think it's a matter of taste really, as both are really cool but neither are perfect...just depends which one's flaws annoy you more.

inflatable dalek
2014-05-17, 11:51 PM
I do like Sandstorm, if only in a "Hey- he was in a UK comic!" sense, and that's what puts me off a bit as the final toy doesn't really look very Sandstorm-ish to me. That probably wouldn't matter if it wasn't a reworking of a toy that literally shat out the perfect Springer character model for all future reference.

Ironically, Springer did underwhelm me when I first had him- and the arms hanging off the side of the helicopter are a problem- but the more I've played with him, the more and more I've come to love him. It's like the reverse "It starts of great and end up getting sour" of every relationship toy I've ever had.

After this pre-emptive chat it'll be hilarious if it's another toy now.

Terome
2014-05-17, 11:52 PM
Wildfly!

(It was always an old joke)

inflatable dalek
2014-05-18, 12:09 AM
I don't get it.

Tetsuro
2014-05-18, 05:53 AM
You know what's an old joke?

Flywheels.

Philister
2014-05-18, 08:47 AM
We've done it. Here is the winner (not an upset, sorry inflatable dalek):

http://www.transformers-universe.com/content/images/Top30/Top30_01.jpg (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2858)

And, as promised, some statistics and details, such as how the ranking would have looked purely judging by vote and who suffered the most from having their vote split across multiple versions, can be found here:

Top 30 Countdown Statistics (http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=2820)

another tf fan
2014-05-19, 05:05 PM
Springer?

Springer?

No. Not even close.

How is Springer better than MP Prowl or MP Soundwave?

He's not. He's a great voyager but best TF of all time?

Nope.

Denyer
2014-05-19, 08:07 PM
How is Springer better than MP Prowl or MP Soundwave?
Better bang for buck (although he benefits from third party guns IMO) plus people are partly voting for figures they've been able to get, at a guess -- that's going to skew things for European votes and it's likely to have some influence on a third of the ranking figures being Optimus/Convoy, for instance.

Skyquake87
2014-05-19, 09:21 PM
How is Springer better?

Well, he looks good, has a nice design, is a superb update of a well regarded character whom had a pretty awful 1980s toy.

As a mainline toy, he's less of an ornament than an MP toy, very few of which can be played with in the same way.

Depends what you're looking for in a Transformers product. I'll take a well executed Deluxe over a high end collector piece any day.

And yes, hasn't hurt that he's one of the few Generations toys that us Europeans have been able to get hold of without paying through the nose :)

Denyer
2014-05-19, 11:26 PM
If you're looking for the Hasbro version and/or want to buy the other Takara tapes individually, it'll probably cost you an obscene amount of cash by now.
KO cassettes? Well, I assume they are at 16 for each pair including shipping.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151302473056
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151302474810

Although I'd pick a seller with better feedback. Have used toysking2012 before for 3rd party bits and they seem to carry the same thing for a very similar price as well as honestly describe things as KO where they are.

Pretty good example of the market stepping in where a supplier shorts on stock.

Cliffjumper
2014-05-20, 02:03 AM
And yes, hasn't hurt that he's one of the few Generations toys that us Europeans have been able to get hold of without paying through the nose :)

Prowl's about thirty-five, forty quid shipped. Springer's probably great if you're prepared to make all the concessions you apparently need to make to put up with buying mainline Transformers now, though - minimal paint applications! shit plastic! stupid neck! alternate modes that look ****ing awful! all for the low, low price of... what was that abomination's UK RRP? 20-ish? I'd rather pay through the nose and have something, y'know, good. There's a reason good stuff costs more than bad stuff.

The results largely affirm how stupid, fickle and blinkered Transformers fans are. RTS Jazz probably isn't one of the thirtiest best Jazz toys ever and ebay'll be drowning in them as soon as the MP comes out.

another tf fan
2014-05-20, 05:32 AM
Hey guys I get your reasoning about springer's win I just totally disagree.

I have springer and he's very cool, a great update of G1 with the LSOTW thrown in too.

But no way, in my opinion, is he a better figure than the very MP toys I listed, plus many more.

I think springer is a very good flavor of the month.

another tf fan
2014-05-20, 05:39 AM
The results largely affirm how stupid, fickle and blinkered Transformers fans are. RTS Jazz probably isn't one of the thirtiest best Jazz toys ever and ebay'll be drowning in them as soon as the MP comes out.

Thank you... I have rather disliked RTS jazz for a long time.

...and I will be buying the cartoon accurate MP whenever it is released.

Denyer
2014-05-20, 07:23 AM
Prowl's about thirty-five, forty quid shipped. Springer's probably great if you're prepared to make all the concessions you apparently need to make to put up with buying mainline Transformers now, though - minimal paint applications! shit plastic! stupid neck! alternate modes that look ****ing awful! all for the low, low price of... what was that abomination's UK RRP? 20-ish? I'd rather pay through the nose and have something, y'know, good. There's a reason good stuff costs more than bad stuff.
Given the choice between them with no upgrades to either I'd pick Springer, as MP goes for over-engineered designs and is limited by being a retro wankfest with no higher goal than replicating the visuals of a cartoon that was generally shit. Sideswipe and Prowl are updates of the ActionMaster version and the comic depictions for me, personally.

And I prefer the novelty and engineering on something like Fansproject's "Weirdwolf" to either -- it's not a case of minding paying 2-4 times the price of a "normal" figure for something that catches my attention in a good way. But more people would probably prefer to have a decent number of retail releases than a smaller number of 'premium' shelf pieces they worry about breaking.

Also, the situation's gradually changing but the UK sees more use of credit cards and buying internationally online than other parts of Europe. If Springer made it to retail there it's not surprising he's particularly popular. Plus the LSOTW boost and the paint apps coming out nicely for a mass release.

no way, in my opinion, is he a better figure than the very MP toys
Figure or toy? Original era Prowl is a fragile brick, MP Prowl has a design that's getting away from fun and straightforward transformation. Neither's much of a toy, which is where things like CHUG -- and the lines that are actually aimed at kids these days -- come in.

another tf fan
2014-05-20, 05:07 PM
Figure or toy? Original era Prowl is a fragile brick, MP Prowl has a design that's getting away from fun and straightforward transformation. Neither's much of a toy, which is where things like CHUG -- and the lines that are actually aimed at kids these days -- come in.

Figure or toy? Seems like a bit of a semantics question.

Springer is every bit as fiddly as MP Prowl so I can't say I've had more fun with Springer.

If we want to define "toy" as good transformer fun may I suggest classics bumblebee. A toy that clearly homages the original but remains quick and intuitive to convert with modern updating.

If you define "figure" as an expensive, collector oriented design then why is MP Soundwave number two on this list? Shouldn't it be another mainline release?

As I tend toward MP collecting these days I know which way I'm going to lean. I get more pleasure posing the limited MP toys in my display than transforming the myriad of CHUG toys that I have.

...but I am a 36 year old man and my tastes are skewed by nostalgia, practicality and demographics.



...about RTS Jazz, the toy has a few notable problems.

First off, the alt mode is an amorphous blob, not even trying to emulate the iconic 911/935 that the original toy was. It looks more like a Japanese city car than autobahn burner.

Secondly are the weird shin pieces that do not locate well. They replicate the G1 toy's look but are executed poorly.

Third is the "skim milk" white plastic. It's partially transparent and managed to look cheap in any light.

RTS Jazz isn't all bad, I like the head and the Speaker-bits and the head-reveal gearing is best done on this toy but it is a flawed toy that has had heaps of praise piled on it.

I'll take Animated Jazz over it any day.

Denyer
2014-05-20, 06:43 PM
"Toy" I'd probably define as something the general demographic of under 10s wouldn't have problems with, provides decent play value, etc. "Figure" is a lot broader -- a representation of a TF character. Most TF toys are figures, but a lot of TF figures aren't really intended as toys.

RTS Jazz has crappy translucent plastic that ruins the finish a fair bit for me. That aside, it's probably the best toy of that character to date. He's not exactly been blessed;

http://www.tfu.info/toytables/g1_jazz.htm

I like some MP and third-party stuff, and voted for a fair few of the former IIRC -- blithely substituting "shelf piece" for "toy" on the assumption a majority of other people would be giving similarly skewed responses. So it's quite nice people have voted for regular toys as well as nostalgia and collectibles, even though I have no interest in Tidal Wave, movie stuff, etc. and not much burning interest in original era stuff or offshoot homages such as Binalts these days.

Disappointing how Prime/Convoy-focused the results have been, though. Find most of the figures very bland personally.

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-05-20, 07:37 PM
FWIW, the crisp white paint job on United Jazz really lifts the figure. Personally, I think the figure is both a lot of fun and good to have on display. There are some cool features too (the nice folding gun, the speakers, a nice head sculpt). One of my favourite CHUG figures, for sure.

inflatable dalek
2014-05-20, 07:52 PM
Id say Springer is definitely a better toy than MP Prowl. The only real blemish for me on the former is those arms in helicopter mode- otherwise it's the perfect rendition of the perfect comic version of Springer.Frankly, if they were to Masterpiece him it's hard to see how much they could do to really capture that essential Spinger-ness this toy achieves.

MP Prowl on the other hand is only perfect from the knees up, he's let down by those bloody legs that are so needlessly cumbersome and difficult to transform it's as if the lunatic who designed MP Rodimus had briefly escaped from the asylum he'd been rightly committed too and snuck into the office whilst everyone was on their lunch break.

Cliffjumper
2014-05-20, 08:05 PM
Really don't find the Datsun legs that difficult.

And yeh, I'd echo that playing the whole "well, it's about play value for the itty bitty children" card in a poll packed with high-end collectors' items, fanboy sops and topped by a guy heavily inspired by a comic read by no-one under legal drinking age is a weak angle.

If you're doing the "kids of all ages love 'em" reverse-snobbery thing the Throttlebots, Sparkabots and anyone else you can't break without industrial equipment trounce all comers. Kids don't give a **** about articulation, homages or any of that crap, they want something they can transform ten times in a minute with no removable parts.

Plus you know the main reason that awful Jazz toy got in was because Jazz is a popular character and everyone was just voting for that. And that Springer will be semi-forgotten by most in a year's time.

inflatable dalek
2014-05-20, 08:13 PM
Really don't find the Datsun legs that difficult.

Possibly my big sausage fingers are to blame, but they do feel needlessly complicated and difficult. Especially coming after the much smoother (and yes, better than Springer IMO) Sideswipe.

Denyer
2014-05-20, 09:05 PM
Name popularity almost certainly accounts for some movie toy appeal (apart from Prime; that one gets to be a bit more psycho in character than usual) -- although HA Jazz seems to get good reviews.

RTS Jazz does too... not one I'd pick out of the CHUG lines, particularly, personally.

If you're doing the "kids of all ages love 'em" reverse-snobbery thing the Throttlebots, Sparkabots and anyone else you can't break without industrial equipment trounce all comers. Kids don't give a **** about articulation, homages or any of that crap, they want something they can transform ten times in a minute with no removable parts.
Older end of the demographic (about 8-10) is probably equivalent to mass appeal; the smaller ones get the figures and break them, adults still have an interest.

A couple of times (certainly at least once) is probably a sweet spot. The line-the-damn-panels-up approach really hasn't helped with dwindling sales.

Number of mentions is always going to skew towards recent memory, but it does also emphasise commonality.

Skyquake87
2014-05-20, 11:09 PM
But more people would probably prefer to have a decent number of retail releases than a smaller number of 'premium' shelf pieces they worry about breaking..

This is me! :wave:

Also, I just have more appreciation for a well made toy than something that I expect to be good simply because its 'aimed at collectors'. And if that makes me a blinkered moron, I don't mind :)

Warcry
2014-05-21, 02:06 AM
I'd agree with everyone who's saying that it's hard to put too much weight into a list like this. Newness and mainstream recognition will always weigh as much or more than actual quality. The fact that Springer won without a single person voting the toy as #1, I think, is pretty telling. But that's how popular votes on such things work. Fun, but not really scientific.

Kids don't give a **** about articulation, homages or any of that crap, they want something they can transform ten times in a minute with no removable parts.
Nah, kids want toys that are fun. What that means is going to be different for each kid and that's the reason why Hasbro offers such a wide variety of product these days.

Articulation can be fun if it's designed properly and it's one of the reasons my peers were way more into Beast Wars than G2. And speaking personally, it's also why Young Me played with Skyjack until his ball joints couldn't hold together, loved all his Beast Wars toys and collected Playmates Star Trek toys so religiously.

"Homage" is just nerd-speak for "a new toy for an old character", and kids are almost as likely to know those characters nowadays as adult fans are, so that can be fun too. I don't know what it's like over there but retro cartoons are on TV all the time here. My sister's kids probably know the G1 cartoon as well as I did when I was their age and I'm not the one who showed it to them. Any kid with cable and the internet has as much chance of being familiar with Cosmos or Blitzwing as he does the TF: Prime cast, considering the Hub's poor reach. I mean, hell, ask Blackjack -- he and his brother were kids with the first movie snared them (one square in the middle of the target market and one on the older end, IIRC) and they got into G1 stuff pretty much right away.

And, yes, there are lots of kids who just want simple toys that they can bash into things. Hell, that's all some adults want! And that's okay too. People find joy in all sorts of things that I think are silly or boring.

Springer is every bit as fiddly as MP Prowl so I can't say I've had more fun with Springer.
I don't have Prowl but comparing Springer to Sideswipe or Soundwave, I'd say there's not much of a gulf between them. Springer's engineering is more complex (and IMO better) than either MP and by a fairly wide margin at that -- it pulls off two alt-modes with zero kibble and no compromising in the robot mode. But Springer doesn't have the same level of polish or small parts that the MPs do, so I'd say it's pretty close to a wash. Neither one is really beginner-friendly, and I'd think twice before handing either Springer or an MP to someone who wasn't already familiar with TF toys. They're certainly playable, but they don't have that "mindlessly fiddle with while watching TV" factor that a good Scoutish toy has.

First off, the alt mode is an amorphous blob, not even trying to emulate the iconic 911/935 that the original toy was. It looks more like a Japanese city car than autobahn burner.
That's because it's not supposed to emulate the 80s car. It's a Solstice, more or less (Movie Jazz's alt-mode) with a few Porsche details blended in so they'll be visible in robot mode. Whether or not that was a good idea is debatable, but they actually executed the idea pretty well.

I'm quite fond of the toy, personally, but I've also done some customization on mine so it's not exactly the stock version that I'm talking about anymore. Which means I really shouldn't have voted for it, in retrospect, but to be honest I found it hard to name more than ten or fifteen toys that legitimately stand out from the crowd and fell back on a lot of "oh, well, I like this toy well enough I suppose" to fill out the rest. Transformers has a lot of toys that are pretty good, but very few that I'd consider truly, transcendentally great.

And yet somehow I still managed to forget to vote for Battle Blades Bumblebee, my favourite movie toy by far and it's a travesty he's not on the list...

It's also absurd that Trypticon isn't here! Giant stompy dinosaur, guys!

another tf fan
2014-05-21, 05:40 AM
That's because it's not supposed to emulate the 80s car. It's a Solstice, more or less (Movie Jazz's alt-mode) with a few Porsche details blended in so they'll be visible in robot mode. Whether or not that was a good idea is debatable, but they actually executed the idea pretty well.

I'm quite fond of the toy, personally, but I've also done some customization on mine so it's not exactly the stock version that I'm talking about anymore. Which means I really shouldn't have voted for it, in retrospect, but to be honest I found it hard to name more than ten or fifteen toys that legitimately stand out from the crowd and fell back on a lot of "oh, well, I like this toy well enough I suppose" to fill out the rest. Transformers has a lot of toys that are pretty good, but very few that I'd consider truly, transcendentally great.

And yet somehow I still managed to forget to vote for Battle Blades Bumblebee, my favourite movie toy by far and it's a travesty he's not on the list...

It's also absurd that Trypticon isn't here! Giant stompy dinosaur, guys!


Trying to emulate the Solstice? Well that's just damn wrong.

RTS Jazz in vehicle form is narrow and tall with a hard roof and a strange wing covering the rear glass, A solstice is low and wide convertible. A solid roof fastback model was briefly offered... Right before Pontiac ceased to exist.

The robot mode confirms the notion was to invoke the G1 car.

I maintain RTS Jazz's car mode is at best sports-hatch generica and at worst anti-styled.

Philister
2014-05-22, 07:43 PM
It's also absurd that Trypticon isn't here! Giant stompy dinosaur, guys!

Trypticon was in the top 30 for a good long while during the voting, but many of the late-voters forgot about him, it seems, and he fell back to #42.

Which is still better than Battle Blades BB at #69 :lol:

Denyer
2014-05-22, 09:39 PM
Articulation can be fun if it's designed properly
Yeah, loved the handful of ActionMasters I had. But whilst I still appreciate Alternators for the concept many are quite good examples of how to kill enjoyment of transforming robots. Some of the MP designs are getting that way too, although to a lesser degree.

Although I might be coming across as rather harsh on MP it's nice they're a going concern and especially branching off a bit with things like G2 Sideswipe. I just find going for a recreation of old media designs a tad boring unless it's characters I have a strong preference for. Whereas with third party stuff I still find it incredible that there are so many people making their ideas real -- other fandoms have a lot of customisers too, but creative types being able to put cool shit into the hands of other people who love the concepts and characters, before 3D printing tech has matured to the point a design can be shared and pop out of a device fully finished, absolutely rocks.

The robot mode confirms the notion was to invoke the G1 car.
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I maintain RTS Jazz's car mode is at best sports-hatch generica
It's a product of the line it's in, certainly. No budget for licensed designs, now that IP is a concern in ways it wasn't when the originals were designed.

Fixing the white would've really boosted it for me, but I don't think it's worth the premium of importing. Never spotted any cheap loose examples of the Takara one in the same way a lot of bulk listings for TT FoC/IDW Generations stuff turned up on eBay, unfortunately.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/brief-united-jazz-image-comparison-gallery-171181/

to be honest I found it hard to name more than ten or fifteen toys that legitimately stand out from the crowd and fell back on a lot of "oh, well, I like this toy well enough I suppose" to fill out the rest.
Yeah... looked around the room and most of the standout pieces weren't official TFs. It's not that there aren't TFs out, but most there because of the characters rather than being toys or figures worthy of remark.

I enjoy Repugnus, for instance, but being objective the toy is a POS really.