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zigzagger
2014-06-10, 01:26 PM
Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #30 three-page preview by way of iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/id887661518?mt=11).

Unicron
2014-06-10, 04:33 PM
Figures, Magnus with a hammer...

Wait a minute, is that Hun-Grr and the Seacons? When the hell did they get of out of the Lost Light's brig and where have they been?

Red Dave Prime
2014-06-10, 07:42 PM
Kinda stands to reason that once the Lost Light landed on Cybertron that the Cons would have been moved - they may have been part of the big push against Shockwave.

zigzagger
2014-06-11, 12:14 AM
... And Nautilator's not among them :(

What? Rung got his head blown off and he's fine and dandy.

Anyway, the preview -- the first page in particular -- does at very least acknowledge the concern/observation I had two issues back. The Optimus Prime thing, I mean (I've come to terms with the whole suspension of disbelief thing).

Unicron
2014-06-11, 12:38 AM
Hmmm... I wonder what this 'Alternative' is that was being alluded to right before the Temptorian-crew interruption. Judgment by Vector Sigma?

I also wonder why Starscream and Rattrap look so freaked out by the contents of the statement. Maybe they see where Megatron is going with it and are worried by what it'll do

Red Dave Prime
2014-06-25, 02:21 PM
Very dense issue. Almost too dense. Lots of twists, one of which I'm sure we all thought might have been possible given the way roberts likes to play with the readers.

Without going into details just yet, I really like the directions taken on a few things here simply because they are going in directions I didnt think off. But the issue feels overly packed, like there is just too much being fitted in here. I dont think the colourng helps - its looking more than a little crowded at times now and while each panel looks great, they dont always convey what they need to straight away.

Still the high point of IDWs three and good fun overall but a little less could yield a little more on all counts if you get me.

MikeB
2014-06-25, 03:29 PM
SPOILERS























Maybe I've got rose tinted glasses with this series - as have plenty of other people, I'm sure - but I'm still absolutely loving it. It's maybe less "fun" than the early arcs and trying to cram in a lot of story but it's absolutely fascinating.

Plenty of scenes showing Megatron as a sympathetic character, and the fake speech along with strength sapping energon all seems very much like the kind of things that would have been done pre-war to unruly citizens. I can't help but feel that this situation is going to blow up in their faces.

I know the Rodimus twist was in one shape or form expected but I do think it's been really well handled.


I have lots more thoughts, but I need to read it again and have a think about them...

Red Dave Prime
2014-06-25, 04:18 PM
I liked the twist - like I said I think we all considered it as an option. It was surprising but not in a "ah, no way" kinda deal.

Agreed about the Megs scene - the panel with his head in his hands and the voice over claiming that it was good they never won was excellent.

Its got its flaws, but I would still find it always engaging.

inflatable dalek
2014-06-25, 05:40 PM
I'm loving how dense all this is, compared to the fairly sedate RID and Windblade you're certainly getting bang for your buck, it actually winds up feeling like it's sucking the plot developments from the rest of IDW's output.

Loved the almost casual way Rodimus having been there all along was revealed, even if the body did turn out to be what we were all expecting.

The flashback scenes were pretty much all perfect as well, I love that for all that he may be sincere Megatron still had a back up plan to get out of the trial if needed, it makes him more layered than just a reformed bad guy, there's still a cynical edge there.

That was a great Rodimus/Rachet scene as well, and you know I feel Rodimus is actually justified in being in a sulk. Effectively in the post war world he's a private citizen who has had his quest and his ship usurped by the government without even being told directly about it first. Indeed, the whole crew don't seem to have had a say in it, was all of them simply refusing to carry on if Megatron came with them even an option?

And we're getting a Tailgate/Getaway/Cyclonus love triangle? Potentially a bit soap operaish, especially as I don't think Getaway and Tailgate have even interacted before this, but I suppose we'll see how it goes.

Death's Head
2014-06-25, 06:16 PM
"Not now, Magnus!"

:D

Red Dave Prime
2014-06-25, 07:25 PM
Also a minor props to the Swerve intros. The first one felt like swerve overkill (even for a fan such as myself) but it worked quite well here. Reminding you of what was going on and pointing out the important bits. It would be nice if we get other variations of it.

Denyer
2014-06-25, 08:42 PM
I'm loving how dense all this is, compared to the fairly sedate RID and Windblade you're certainly getting bang for your buck,

Yupyupyup.

zigzagger
2014-06-26, 03:43 AM
Just the usual notes:

Rodimus -- After Rung, and Magnus, and Tailgate, it's hard to be surprised about this sort of thing anymore, but I'm not sure I want to brand this one as yet another fake-out. I mean, Rodimus -- present-time Rodimus -- wasn't dead or shown dying. He was just off panel this whole time having a pout ;)

May be right about the whole time paradox thingy after all. Which I was joking about, but... shut up, whatever. Pretty comedic response to seeing his corpse, though. He's overreacting just a touch (he's prepared to cut off his arm to prove a point, for ****'s sake), but it's not everyday one's asked to identify their own corpse.

Do agree with Dalek that Rodimus sulking about the ship is justified. Easy for me to empathize with, anyway. On top of his quest being pulled out from under him -- with no say in the matter, in fact -- at different points two people within his inner-circle (Ratchet and Magnus) have flat out told Rodimus that they're none too pleased with him.

Guess Rodimus gets to have his redemption arc alongside Megatron's now.

Ratchet -- Yes, very much classic Ratchet here. The guy who isn't afraid to tell his superiors just how it is is pretty consistent with the character. Great moment, though. Great moment. It's not often we see he and Rodimus interact in this manner.

Do wonder why Ratchet chose to take part in the quest again, especially now that Megatron is kind of, sort of running the show.

Megatron -- I'm still struggling with this concept, but I'm ... content with the conclusion. While Megatron's acquittal was the result of a technicality, it's a much better outcome than I had initially feared.

His and Optimus' moment together, coercing that statement out of him and the subsequent distress it clearly has caused him was a highlight. That was great. It went some way towards lessening the reservations I have in any case.

Not entirely sold on the 'total visibility theory' thing as an explanation why he's 'Co-Captain', though. Or why folks like Ratchet and Ultra Magnus are all chummy with Megatron now. Something just isn't adding up with me.

Other stuff:

Yup, Getaway is up to no good and sweet, naive Tailgate doesn't seem to know any better. Wonder what his angle is? Not quite sure what to make of Cyclonus' response however. Is it simply jealousy, or is it that he's seeing right through Getaway's bullshit?

Speaking of angles, now that we know that the list was a fake, what is Atomizer's? And who put him up to it?

If 'Team Rodimus' really is a thing, that's a pretty smart line up. I think I could go for a one-shot story following these guys around on some silly little caper. It would be fun. I approve of this idea.

If I squint hard enough, I can spot Blades in the crowd scene on the second to last page.... Shut up! Don't judge me :(

Terome
2014-06-26, 10:44 AM
Will say more later but I really love that they were able to infer that Drift would come back by the fact there was no actual content to the ancient mystical symbols written all over Rodimus' coffin.

zigzagger
2014-06-26, 04:40 PM
Can I just say, the image attached below tells an entire story on its own.

Prime's silhouette moving away from a weeping Megatron... damn, there's a lot going on in such a small space. The text only serves to strengthen an already strong image.

Probably one of my favorite moments throughout this arc.

Red Dave Prime
2014-06-26, 06:19 PM
Stand out bit for me too. Its megs words linked with the image of him. Really hots home what a sacrifice optimus asked of him.

inflatable dalek
2014-06-26, 08:03 PM
Do wonder why Ratchet chose to take part in the quest again, especially now that Megatron is kind of, sort of running the show.

Also, what happened to the whole new CMO thing? Obviously First Aid isn't up to it at the moment, so is Ratchet still in charge (making him go off on a quest again somewhat odder) or has Fixit finally formally been given the job he's basically been doing for the last two years anyway?

zigzagger
2014-06-27, 01:40 AM
Oh that's right. Barber had laid claim on Fixit. Forgot about that...

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we're continuing to get more Ratchet and that he not slip back into comic book limbo as he did throughout McCarthy and Costa's runs. He's a great fit for the book, too. Still, it is kind of odd he'd stick around for the reasons mentioned.

I dunno... maybe it's simply out of morbid curiosity. Given his options, he could either head back to Earth with Optimus (and who would want to do that ;)), watch the citizens of Cybertron continue their descent into madness under Starscream, or search for robot heaven with Zapp Brannigan and the reformed Space Hitler. I guess the last one would pique anyone's curiosity.

inflatable dalek
2014-06-27, 01:54 PM
Ohhhhh... maybe it's Ratchet working with Whirl and the others to get Megatron killed?




[If I guess every character, sooner or later I will be right!]

Speaking of baseless speculation, who do we think released the Decepticon prisoners? And gave Atomiser the fake list?

inflatable dalek
2014-06-27, 02:10 PM
Actually, thinking about it, this is probably a Murder on the Orient Express situation where everyone except Magnus (who is Poirot of course, he's even got the OCD...) in on trying to trick Megatron into acting in such a way they can kill him without breaking any sort of space law.

Unicron
2014-06-27, 10:31 PM
search for robot heaven with Zapp Brannigan and the reformed Space Hitler
And we now have the official tagline for this season

zigzagger
2014-06-28, 07:56 PM
Ohhhhh... maybe it's Ratchet working with Whirl and the others to get Megatron killed?

Being frank as he is, it's hard for me to picture Ratchet as the cloak and dagger type. Would add an interesting new layer to the character, though.

See, the problem with speculating who'd be out to provoke and/or kill Megatron is, well, just about everyone on board is a likely suspect, having warred with the guy for 4 million odd years.

And we now have the official tagline for this season
Hey, it works for me. It keeps me coming back every month.

inflatable dalek
2014-06-29, 12:07 AM
Being frank as he is, it's hard for me to picture Ratchet as the cloak and dagger type. Would add an interesting new layer to the character, though.

Don't forget that IDW Ratchet was first introduced as a rule breaker acting out on his own against orders because he thought he was making the morally right choice. Could well happen again.

Strangely, I think pre-Remain in Light Magnus would go along with Megatron better than post-revealing who he truly is and him becoming comfortable enough with not being a law enforcer to pass it onto Fort Max.

That does slighltly worry me as something that might get lost now Megatron is basicaly sharing the most important position on the ship with Rodimus- What is the role of Magnus now and what follow up will we get to the moments in Dark Cybertron of him adjusting to not being the rigid enforcer of the Tyrest Accord any more?

I suppose there is one big weakness in the set up of how Megatron ends up on the ship... It depends on Cybertronian law being so rigid that no one can just go "That's an ancient and silly law we just don't follow anymore" (technically you can expect six months in prison in the UK if you kill a swan and you're not the Queen, has that ever, ever been enforced?), and it also comes right after the revelation Tyrest was regularly and insanely changing the Cybertronian statue book on mad whims without Ultra Magnus or any other followers of the law seeming to find it odd.

Plus, after the Tyrest revelations, shouldn't the entire legal system have been reconsidered from top to bottom before any new trials took place?

zigzagger
2014-06-29, 03:36 AM
I suppose there is one big weakness in the set up of how Megatron ends up on the ship... It depends on Cybertronian law being so rigid that no one can just go "That's an ancient and silly law we just don't follow anymore" (technically you can expect six months in prison in the UK if you kill a swan and you're not the Queen, has that ever, ever been enforced?), and it also comes right after the revelation Tyrest was regularly and insanely changing the Cybertronian statue book on mad whims without Ultra Magnus or any other followers of the law seeming to find it odd.

It's a doozy alright. Never mind that none of the Knights are present; they've made themselves elusive. It's as if they don't want to be found. There's no practical way of honoring this law.

I can go along the with explanation that the Autobots were saving face during a rather skewed public trial. And Megatron did do his part by renouncing the Decepticons. But with all the measures put in place to make certain he behaves himself during the trip, I'm still struggling with how that makes him suitable to command.

Just want to make clear, I've found this whole trial storyline hugely entertaining. A bit dragged out, but still entertaining. But, I'm not sure how "freedom of movement" = command of an Autobot ship.

Plus, after the Tyrest revelations, shouldn't the entire legal system have been reconsidered from top to bottom before any new trials took place?Uh, maybe it's just the newer stuff Tyrest enacted that's been reconsidered...?

Tyrest losing his mind was a relatively recent thing wasn't it?

Knightdramon
2014-06-29, 09:54 AM
I think the *reasonable* aka not forced explanation by hasbro of why Megatron is on the ship is because Prime wanted a counter-balance to Rodimus.

Magnus does not appear so hot on taking command of the ship for the entirety of the quest [as evidenced on how uneasy he felt on DC], and Optimus clearly has lost some faith/trust in Rodimus with the whole Overlord and vote thing later on.

I suppose Prime feels that Megatron, with his new outlook and firm commanding abilities will complement Rodimus with his gung-ho persona and unchecked egoism.

Though I struggle to make sense of why he'd put these two in a command position of a ship with such an important mission; more than half the crew does not trust Rodimus anymore, and nearly nobody trusts or wants Megatron anyway.

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-06-29, 10:57 AM
My thoughts:

Thunderclash is said to have disappeared. Could the Vis Vitalis have suffered the same fate as the Lost Light, but perhaps without the chance to abandon ship? I'm guessing we are looking at the ship/s slipping into some parallel dimension (or similar) rather than being lost forever. Could Thunderclash already be in Cyberutopia?

Secondly, Whirl was confined to quarters. His avatar was in Swerve's when the ship started to vanish, but I haven't spotted him after that. While I expect the "real" Whirl did have freedom of movement, could it be possible he was left locked in his room during the frantic scramble for the exits? Could Mr. Unvincible have gone to the same place as the Lost Light? If so, it could be interesting to see if his avatar still exists in the escape pod, and if he can then communicate between the dimensions.

This is all pure speculation, but then that is what MTMTE tends to lead us to. So many mysteries, so many mysteries.

For my part, I'm not entirely convinced my Megatron being given a command position. It seems unrealistic, even in a comic about giant transforming robots from an alien world. A non-executive role as an advisor, mission strategist, or similar could've worked. There could still have been tension between him and Rodimus as Roddy would surely feel undermined just by Megatron's presence on the ship, regardless of his title/rank.

Not yet getting the feels for S2. Riptide is meh, Nautica is OK, and Nightbeat is good. Hoping for some development on the First Aid thing. Could he become Nightbeat's Watson? Also confused on why Ratchet is still there much as I love him (and I do). Everything feels too compressed and "bitty" to really enjoy at the moment. I'm hoping for some decompression soon (though not quite RID levels of decompression, hopefully!).

Terome
2014-06-29, 07:00 PM
Have had a chance to read this properly now. There's a lot going on, maybe a bit too much, but there's some very entertaining stuff in there.

I'm quite satisfied with the installment of Megatron - it really comes down to Prime wanting it to happen. He's put in contingencies because he doesn't completely trust him but I can buy that Prime would send him off on a custom-made redemption quest. The idea of seeking the Knights for judgement is a good one too, especially as Megatron seems to be at least toying with the idea that he's going to conquer those fools and nab their planet.

The punchline that Rodimus had been sulking the whole time was a good one. The scene with him and the corpse is very, very Red Dwarf but it's not the first time and won't be the last.

Digging the Swerve summary pages. They get the tone just right like the TFUK letter pages at their best.

Of the current mysteries I reckon the Atomiser / list thread is the best one. It's simple and plays to the characters and looks like it could be unpicked if one was clever enough. The disappearing ship and the coffin are just too technobabbly to get their hooks into me, though they are both solid Golden Age SF plots.

Plus, after the Tyrest revelations, shouldn't the entire legal system have been reconsidered from top to bottom before any new trials took place?
Uh, maybe it's just the newer stuff Tyrest enacted that's been reconsidered...?

Tyrest losing his mind was a relatively recent thing wasn't it?

It's a bit unclear just how much of the law it was that Tyrest was in charge of. The Tyrest Accord is said to be an appendix to the Autobot Code and also contain all the rules and engagement for the war. Was Tyrest editing the whole Autobot Code or what? And surely this particular law would pre-date the Autobot Code. Makes sense for there to several levels of law seeing how old the society is.

While Megatron's renunciation is an affecting scene, it is kind of nice to see Prime get an actual, unambiguous victory for once. He got Megatron to tell all Decepticons to stand down. That's impressive.

Could Thunderclash already be in Cyberutopia?

I'm willing to bet money on Thunderclash having been to Cyberutopia and back by the time Megatron finds it.

Auntie Slag
2014-06-30, 12:04 PM
A shallow comment; but I was slightly miffed that the cover image (the ships hurriedly leaving the Lost Light), was pretty much the final page of the issue.

I bought this comic thinking that's where we'd start from. Not that there was anything wrong with the actual content, but I was really itching to see what would happen after the escape, and now I've got to wait another month.

As others have said, these issues are dense, and one's that i'll happily read again and again like Shadowplay or Delphi. The 'World Shut Your Mouth' story must be the densest MTMTE storyline so far. So much so that it feels like its trying to squeeze too much in, but I'd rather that than too little. However, as a result the Getaway/Tailgate banter pops up seemingly out of nowhere and ends just as abruptly (in their final panel Cyclonus is grasping his sword, as if ready to do something).

I'm REALLY intrigued by Megatron's nauseous reaction to Chomedome's interfacing.

I still don't understand the revelance of Riptide and Nautica being in the book. Are they new robots with toys on the market? There must be some mandate forcing Roberts to use them, otherwise their lines could go to actual Autobots...

And how dodgy is Atomizer, eh? Eh?

Megatron must wonder how the hell they lost to this lot!

Death's Head
2014-06-30, 02:36 PM
Cyclonus is graspiing his sword

Fnar!

Auntie Slag
2014-06-30, 05:17 PM
Cyclonus was molested by a famous entertainer, you know. Otherwise he'd be a pure-as-snow Autobot.

Forgot to say I also appreciate that the Season 1 characters haven't really faded into the background so much. Ratchet and Chromedome are still getting significant screen time. Skids is kinda there and because Swerve is acting like an arse at the moment its no great shakes not having him around... Bluestreak is filling his position more or less. So at least the last three issues haven't been a total departure from the robots we're used to, which is nice.

I thought for a moment we'd just get a wholly different set, like in Shadowplay where Rewind would go to different groups of Autobots to get them to tell stories to revive Rung... Season 2: Cue Siren and co. So yeah, nice to see them mixing in rather than sharp focus on a whole new set.

Knightdramon
2014-06-30, 06:13 PM
I still don't understand the revelance of Riptide and Nautica being in the book. Are they new robots with toys on the market? There must be some mandate forcing Roberts to use them, otherwise their lines could go to actual Autobots...



Riptide and Nautica are there for flavour. And they can get toys later on, no worries [I'm thinking Nautica is a windblade remould--general robot shape is the same, already has turbines on her "wings" etc]. Same arguement could easily be made for -ANY- non 1st tier character in season 1, and it all went well.

Am I the only one that finds that the issue "descriptions" [the ones we got months ago] do not match the issues at all? Or in some cases, even the damn covers?

Last issue was more or less pitched as a "Tailgate stands up to Megatron" solicitation...which never happened.

This issue it seemed a bit less "completely out of context", but still...weird.

Auntie Slag
2014-06-30, 06:21 PM
Last issue was more or less pitched as a "Tailgate stands up to Megatron" solicitation...which never happened.

This issue it seemed a bit less "completely out of context", but still...weird.

Oh yeah that's a good point. I didn't mind that Tailgate didn't meet Megatron in that issue, simply because the cover was so awesome. So you're right that cover does commit more of a sin than the present one.

I wish I was able to find the cover from last year (or whenever) with Tailgate on the front standing next to the C-62 Bomb. Any cover with him on has been great. I'd count Issue 30's regular cover as the most boring of the MTMTE run.

Also, Broadside looks like he could duff up anyone!

zigzagger
2014-06-30, 06:27 PM
Fnar!

"Not now, Magnus." ;)


and now I've got to wait another month.

Two weeks, actually. #31 is due July 9.

So much so that it feels like its trying to squeeze too much in, but I'd rather that than too little.
It certainly reads better as a whole -- well, the flashback sequences do, as that section of the story is now complete -- but for the sake of pacing and breathing space, I still believe the trial by itself should've served as a prologue for 'season 2', before jumping into the disappearances, and the corpse, and folks reaction to Megatron inexplicably being 'co-captain' of the ship.

Auntie Slag
2014-06-30, 06:35 PM
TWO WEEKS!

http://www.knowitalljoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ren-and-stimpy.jpg

Death's Head
2014-06-30, 11:53 PM
That's what I said!

Warcry
2014-07-03, 04:22 AM
Oh, gee willikers! You mean Rodimus isn't dead after all? How shocking! Roberts has never pulled that one before...

It's also awesome how Megatron, in spite of clearly behaving and being treated like he's totally in charge of the ship for the first two issues (including being called "captain", not "co-captain", and being able to unilaterally promote people to senior positions) turns out not to be. It sure was nice for the entire crew to irrationally behave in just such a way as to preserve Roberts' tired, played-out "shock", wasn't it?

The conclusion to Megatron's trial was completely and utterly anticlimactic, as there was no conclusion, just a continuance. Meanwhile Optimus Prime is a huge asshole, forcing Megatron to denounce the Decepticon cause for absolutely no reason (nobody is going to be convinced by it -- Soundwave et. al. have already decided to fight, and those who've had enough, like Starscream, have already decided to give it up) other than to rub salt in the wound and get some measure of payback on Megatron for manoeuvring his way out of a death sentence.

Optimus Prime should be above petty impulses like that.

Somehow "we don't have the authority to execute you" becomes "here, have command of a crew of Autobots" in spite of the fact that the Lost Light is Rodimus's personal property and his mission, such as it was, was explicitly not an official one. Plus Optimus Prime doesn't actually have authority over anyone anymore, since he abdicated his claim to power and let Starscream take over the planet. So, uh, yeah. All this just happens because the plot says it has to. All of this so Hasbro can feel justified in including an Autobot sticker with their next Megatron toy.

Oh, and the entire issue makes Optimus out to be stupid, spiteful and a bully, and Optimus should never be any of those things.

I'm sorry, but Roberts is better than this. There are some good parts to this story, lots of the trademark Roberts wit and and an interesting mystery with the ship disappearing. But the whole "trial of Megatron" story comes out, in the end, like time wasted trying to explain the unexplainable. No matter what they did, it was never going to make any sense and the whole thing was always going to come down to a gigantic handwave. The whole thing should just have been dispensed with with a few lines of exposition so that they could move on to the actually interesting story that's been floating around in the background, and that finally seems to be coming to a head next issue.

inflatable dalek
2014-07-04, 02:24 PM
I think Warcry's account has been hacked by Cliffy.

Warcry
2014-07-04, 03:05 PM
Nah, I didn't swear enough. :)

I'd probably be a lot more generous to the story if Roberts hadn't played the "a character is horribly injured/dead...hohoho nope, just kidding, he's fine!" card for the seventh time* in two and a half years.

*Am I missing any? I count:

All the characters who "burned up in the atmosphere" in #1 that were inexplicably fine in #2
Rung's head gets blown up, only for him to be alive next issue
Red Alert survives decapitation
Swerve's face gets shot off, only for him to be fixed next issue without even comment
Magnus magically survives an "incurable" spark injury, and getting his head crushed (I'm generiously counting this as one incident...)
Tailgate "dies", except nope, getting stabbed magically fixes him somehow
Rodimus this issue


It's not even funny at this point, it's just sad.

Death's Head
2014-07-04, 03:37 PM
It's already been established that Cybertronians are pretty hard to kill, though - hence the Relinquishment Clinics where Chromedome and Rewind met. I didn't really see any of those as 'fake-outs' per se (except perhaps Rung's) since we've seen Transformers survive that sort of thing many times. And some of those are there to drive plot and character - Magnus's survival leads us to Tyrest (and also sets up Tyrest's own escape); Tailgate's survival is a result of a thawing in the relationship between Whirl and Cyclonus. You know what I mean? He's not 'faking' deaths for no reason - it's because it serves the drama and the plot.

I dunno. I'm just not that fussed about characters dying. Once they're dead you can't use them again!

Warcry
2014-07-04, 05:55 PM
I get what you're saying. It's a valid plot device but the problem is that Roberts has overused it to the point where it's become tired and predictable.

A huge part of the drama and tension in a series like this comes from putting the characters in danger. But if they basically can't die, then they're not in danger and there's no drama. Reading threads on other forums, when it turned out Rodimus was in the coffin or mini-Magnus got his head squashed, instead of being shocked or upset fans were speculating on how next issue would reveal that he wasn't actually dead. The cliffhangers had absolutely no tension to them because everyone knew that the next issue would immediately show the "death" to be a red herring.

I agree with you about not wanting to see characters die. Wanton character death like we've seen in a lot of other comics is simply wasteful. But if you're not going to kill any important characters, then you probably shouldn't built the climax of 1/4 of your issues around a scenario designed to make it look like someone is dead/dying. Find another way to tell the story that you want to tell. That's all I'm saying.

zigzagger
2014-07-04, 07:03 PM
I think the one time I felt the red herring death worked was with Tailgate. Sure, it did serve as a bit of plot device, which you'd think would lose points with me, but it helped advance Cyclonus's storyline. It gave his 'season 1' arc a nice closing.

...Plus, he got his horn back as a result, and I made no secret 'round these parts how much Cyclonus's asymmetrical look irked me ;)

Then again, in the #21 thread, I partly wished Roberts still went through with it. Could've taken Cyclonus's arc in an entirely different, and potentially interesting, direction. But, like Death's Head, I'm not much of a proponent for character deaths. It's a waste.

Conversely, I also agree with Warcry, that Roberts should... well, knock it off. It's a suspension killer.

inflatable dalek
2014-07-04, 08:44 PM
I do think the fake out death's have been a weakness, as I've waxed lyrical on before I've no problem with the characters being virtually immortal, but that means you can't have it both ways and then try to create cliffhanger drama out of seeming death, even if what happens is still pushing the plot forward in other ways.

It's also hurting the genuine death's, at this stage does anyone think Bumblebee has done more than go for a bit of a nap?

I do think, the couple of times he's done similar, Barber has handled it slightly better. No one has, to the best of my knowledge, being crying foul over Wheeljack or Metalhawk because their death's weren't Big Cliffhanger moments but more a part of the flow of the drama within the issue, so it doesn't seem so undermining when they turn up later (he also tends to not have them turn out to be fine almost straight away, which helps).

All that said though, I do think this feels different, if nothing else because technically the Rodimus who turned up dead in the coffin is still actually dead.

Summerhayes
2014-07-05, 09:47 AM
Swerve's face gets shot off, only for him to be fixed next issue without even comment.
I don't think swerve was ever "dead", was he? He was shown alive but chinless in the same issue in which he was shot.

Death's Head
2014-07-05, 12:02 PM
James does sort of tease us about his death 'fake-outs' with Ambulon's death - no, he can't be fixed after all, but he makes a bloody good gun!

Terome
2014-07-05, 12:22 PM
While I'm not nearly as bothered by this as other readers - I quite like it when I am tricked by a writer - I'm going to agree with Warcry that there should be a downregulation of cliffhangers threatening imminent danger. For me, stuff like Atomiser's list and Ultra Magnus getting along with Megatron more than he gets along with Rodimus are far bigger sources of tension. I am on tenterhooks about who is behind the Lost Light Insider!

From his Twitter stream and interviews, Roberts does seem to be smarting from this particular criticism so I think we can expect to see it ease up when the script backlog catches up to the end of Remain In Light (in roughly six months' time, I believe).

Auntie Slag
2014-07-07, 04:58 PM
I reckon we make more out of these fake-outs than is necessary. They've never bothered me. In fact, the only one that did is, perhaps rather oddly, seeing Snap Trap alive and well in this issue after getting Drifts sword through the face in the Temptoria issue.

The thing is though, I'm sure Roberts has had Ratchet or Chromedome mention in the past that to kill a Transformer, you've got to wipe out the Rossum's trinity thing. That was mentioned in issue three I think. So that would help explain why Snap Trap is tickety boo (though you do see him on the ground this issue missing a leg and a pool of robot blood around him).

Of the fake-outs though:

- Rung was marked out from the beginning as special/unusual.
- Magnus was a good lesson in changing what I thought Magnus was and being alright with that (though it took months until recently for me to square with the fact there were many Magnuses before him)
- Red Alert, the only thing that bugs me about him was his end feels slightly sidelined being only in text... and that is a lame reason, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

And then there's the Necrobots iPad, so lots of interesting things to come yet.

And I totally agree with Terome, there are some good ideas being milled that negate any nasty aftertaste the fake-outs may be giving some people.