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zigzagger
2014-09-04, 02:59 PM
Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #33 three-page preview by way of iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/id915623404?mt=11).

Unicron
2014-09-10, 07:46 AM
Surprised by the lack of replies to this point. Well, I guess there's nothing overly meaty in this preview so that would explain it.

Hmmm... they're checking out the quantum engines. I'm now betting they 'fix' things in good old Star Trek style technobabble fashion. You know, "re-align the deflector dish to emit a tachyon pulse" type BS.
Though I'm expecting it'll be something like keying this Lost Light's engines to the quantum signature of the LL we've been following (probably gotten by scanning Skids, who has been on our LL through more jumps than any of the others), and activating a jump, thus restoring everyone on board to the version we know.

zigzagger
2014-09-10, 03:07 PM
Yeah, as far as previews go, this one just isn't giving me a whole lot to work with. I'm pretty much left with the same questions I had last issue.

Maintains the horror-mystery tone though, which I'm enjoying.

As for the 'fix'... mmmm, I'm going with 'a deviously planted clue from a few issues back that eluded most us' that ends up saving the day ;)

Knightdramon
2014-09-10, 05:48 PM
My theory/ies

This could be a phobia shield or something [like the one in SL: Hoist] that attached to Rodimus's brain and projects his worst fears

--Crew killed, himself dead, spaceship torn apart, all because he let Prowl put Overlord on board and the DJD found them because of that

Or it could be an alternate timeline brought together by some quantum mechanic wizardness thing

Either way, THANKFULLY, unlike the last issue, this has not been f*cking hyped to death by anybody, or I just missed it all, meaning my expectations won't be absurdly high.

zigzagger
2014-09-16, 01:31 AM
Full preview is up @ Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/22128-megatron-s-autobots-uncover-secrets-in-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-33-preview.html).


No surprise, for me anyway, but...


Nautica all-out confirms what most of us were already suspecting; the quantum duplicate thingy is indeed accurate.


Duplicate Rodimus's demise, however, turns out to be slighter more... humiliating than I was expecting. Death by showboating, essentially.

Well, death by standing too close to a quantum generator when it's about to flout the laws of nature, but you get what I mean.

Red Dave Prime
2014-09-16, 10:47 PM
If nothing else, this promises to be a fascinating look at what might have been. Cant wait.

inflatable dalek
2014-09-17, 07:16 AM
Full review to come, but my initial no spoilers read through went like this:

"Well this is going pretty much how I was expecting, looks like I've finally outfoxed Roberts hehehehehehehehehehe...


Ohhhhh...

Wait...

What...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh....

Hell".

*SHAKES FIST AT SKY*

"ROBERTS!"

I don't think Warcy will like it though.

;)

Red Dave Prime
2014-09-17, 11:12 AM
I thought this was brilliant. Really well done. And...

A great way to have a reset that doesnt feel like a cop out. We end the issue still with the Knowledge that Brainstorm will have to be sorted. It answers questions while creating new ones. And that finally page was awesome looking.

Of course some (like me) will point to niggles. Like - how did the four DJD destroy the crew (looks like Brainstorms case may have been a big help, but that wouldnt explain the crew fighting back at some point). The panel of the DJD in combat was great though - Pipes is pulled apart, Red Alert is zapped by one of Helexs small hands, Tesarus seeming to just pull Cosmos arms off.

Or why did "our" brainstorm not contact the DJD as he was in on the Overlord conspiracy at some point as well.

I am also a little confused about the change in the message thats spoken of here. The original message in issue 1 is the message that the alternate rewind sends, correct? But there is talk here of that being changed but all I can remember form the data ghost was the scream bit. I think I am misunderstanding this but anyway it was still a gripping read and the most satisfying finish to a mini arc that Roberts has done yet (Shadowplay was great but if you take away the last page it lessens it a lot and there is no way anyone could have guessed that last page)

Also: the no briefcase rule - a nice payoff to what felt like a throwaway gag.

Rung - can there only ever be one rung? Does he only exsist in one place? Or, I remember back in issue 8 some people had a theory that Rung was the Necrobot. I never saw this myself but is it possible the quantum explosion created a slightly morbid version of Rung?

Do the DJD still think they killed overlord?

Skids speech against Megatron was excellent. But it put a thought into my head as to why all these recent issues of both MTMTE and RID are actually subtitled Dawn of the Autobots? There seems to be no specefic reason other than maybe Megatron switching sides and that doesnt seem enough.


To be honest the only thing I'm not loving is the swerve thing at the start. It just doesn't fit for me and actually takes me out of the story. Hope it stops but I get the feeling it's sticking around.



Still....



Yeah. Thumbs way up. Cant wait for the next few issues.

Red Dave Prime
2014-09-17, 11:58 AM
Not specifically to do with this issue as such but I am wondering about Tarn. Prowl implies that he is a phase six robot (or as powerful) and when they take down Black Shadow Tarn himself wonders why the phase sixers always rebel. So I'm thinking that when Megatron and Tarn finally go head to head will it be part of what breaks Tran that he himself, a phase sixer, is rebelling?

Also we still have the mystery of an inside agent of the DJD. This implies that either the undercover agent is one of the five and is far too convincing at their job (possible that they were the ones to kill Brain Storm?) or that there is a background of lesser staff to help the DJD.

Or its the sparkeater. Silly, I know but it makes some sense. Brainstorm did seem to have claw marks on him...

MikeB
2014-09-17, 12:54 PM
I thought this was brilliant. Really well done. And...

I am also a little confused about the change in the message thats spoken of here. The original message in issue 1 is the message that the alternate rewind sends, correct? But there is talk here of that being changed but all I can remember form the data ghost was the scream bit.



I read it as the message from Rewind to Chromedome being edited, rather than the issue #1 message. AFAIK there's no confirmation yet who actually sent the message in #1 is there? Unless I've missed something somewhere (which is entirely possible!)

Also, I think Rewind's return was handled as well as possible, or at least if I'm reading between the lines correctly. If you can't have both copies in the same vicinity everyone else would presumably go back to normal, but "our" Rewind isn't on board any more so the new one doesn't have to be cancelled out. Could set up an interesting story for an Overlord return though, if he somehow managed to keep Rewind alive or even just with him. If all that is the case though, then you'd imagine there'll be a couple of dead bodies lying around post reintegration, from bots who were killed and jettisoned previously? Maybe?

Edit: Also also, the final twist, just... wow. WOW.



I need to read it again as I've basically done it in snatches whilst at work, but I'm doing a full series re-read at the mo anyway so may wait until I get through that (2/3 through Dark Cybertron and it's not holding up well at all), but first thoughts were that it was very good, if not at all what I was expecting.

Red Dave Prime
2014-09-17, 01:13 PM
You may be right about the message - I'm a bit confused by it all and feel a re-read is in order. I feel you could be right about rewind but that wouldn't explain the briefcase. With Overlord... Maybe he is now dead in both versions so cant come back?

As a fan of the series I would prefer if he didn't. There is enough fish to fry and he has gotten too very good outings. We dont need the return of a Super Powered Bot (although I think he may return to help take out the DJD). Personally though, I am done with him.

MikeB
2014-09-17, 02:41 PM
Yeah I hadn't considered the briefcase... I'm also struggling to see the connection between how the briefcase worked for Nightbeat and Nautica vs how it worked for Brainstorm at the end. Different briefcase?

I agree that we don't need another Overlord story (at least in the short term) as there are so many different loose ends out there (Pharma, the whole Luna 1 / cyberutopia business, DJD, Tyrest off the top of my head) as well as the possibility of new stories, but I have a feeling that he will come back.

Re: the DJD mole, I guess I'd always assumed Skids was part of that mix, what with Chromedome's memory read and so on, but I have no idea if the timelines fit. If it's a current member, and one of the big five then they've got one hell of a messed up moral compass. Unless it's the dog thing? When I get past Dark Cybertron I'll try and pay special attention to the flashback scenes of the DJD attacking the lost light in the last 2 issues, maybe one of them is conspicuous by their absence/lack of aggression?

So.... How long until #34 is out? ;)

zigzagger
2014-09-17, 03:08 PM
Just some quick notes while on the run.

Fairly pleased with this conclusion, with a couple unexpected twists. And here I thought I had it all worked out. Had a couple minor quibble, but more on that later when I have a moment.

Chromedome and Duplicate Rewind's 'reunion'/meeting... Firstly, a brilliant use of art to convey emotion. Secondly... Awwwwwwwwwwww!!!

I can't stop grinning.


And I'm off. Will be back later with more 'detailed' thoughts.

Knightdramon
2014-09-17, 06:23 PM
Very good issue that does not feel like a cop out with the reset button at the end.

Regarding the "alternate" Brainstorm--it appears he was killed by falling debris [possibly from an explosion] instead of being murdered.

It -does- feel like one of those last moment things, and the last page felt forced as well--never in any dialogue or movement of his did Brainstorm betray any "evil" like qualities.

Maybe they'll pull a Tarantulas for this one...have him playing both sides.

Definitely the best issue in S2 thus far.

It appears that the next 2 issues are a double-parter...and from 36 onwards we get a flashback for the Orion Pax trilogy. :clap:

Unicron
2014-09-17, 06:35 PM
My money is on Brainstorm being Magnificus in disguise. Hence the Perceptor fetish.

That or much more likely he isn't a mole and this whole thing is misdirection. And the faceplate symbol is a fake membership card. "Hey random Decepticon, don't shoot me. I'm one of you, see?"

inflatable dalek
2014-09-17, 07:21 PM
[Remember folks: ALL= Alternate Lost Light, OLL= Our Lost Light. It's what all the cool kids are doing.]



It -does- feel like one of those last moment things, and the last page felt forced as well--never in any dialogue or movement of his did Brainstorm betray any "evil" like qualities.



Well, he wouldn't have been a very good double agent if he had been going around acting all evil would he (though he's always been the most cowardly of the regulars by a comfortable margin- I wonder if Megatron not putting himself forward for anything unless he has to was set up as a deliberate parallel?).

I'm inclined to think double bluff with Brainstorm as well, but if not, the fact he was on Kimia at the same time as Skyfall found a way to pass on Gideon's Glue to the Decepticons is suggestive (it's also suggestive that place had a serious vetting problem).

Taken at face value the Decepticon symbol under the faceplate is ludicrous, sure it's a nice nod at Peace and is more visually interesting than if they'd just found him with the machine that summoned the DJD, but how would that work on a day to day level? What if it had been ripped off in battle or an accident? No wonder he's a coward.

So I would lean towards a plant. Considering the story was very quick to establish that ALL Rewind's recording was canned very quickly by Ultra Magnus so they only have his word for what happened after Rodimus' death, are we actually looking at him being the mole, blackmailed into it because the Decepticons have Dominus Ambus? Or is that way too obvious?

If it was Brainstorm, that means we have an answer as to why none of his super weapons were used in the crews defence, and having a man on the inside disabling the security systems would explain a lot about the ease of victory.

One other thing the issue seemed to go out of its way to establish was that the two Brainstorm's hadn't come up with the same weapons during their time on the ship. I will bet now this is foreshadowing for the two briefcases actually doing different things (though he had it before he came aboard he's been mucking about with it all this time, it could do all sorts of extra things by now), and the final solution will pit briefcase against briefcase.

I'm also assuming the Time Lock thingey on Overlord's cell was broken on OLL as well, the signal just never reached the DJD.

The highlight of the issue was the Chromedome/Rewind reunion, considering I was dead against it the slight of hand in making you think it had been a one off return before that beautifully done page really packed a wallop.

The rest of the issue was damn good as well, everything flowed neatly, Megatron and Ravage got more great material (as did Skids with his speech) and all the pieces fell into place with a satisfying clunk.

Only two minor niggles:

1: The "Oh, you never believed he was dead" bit in the recap felt like Roberts occasional tendency of having a go at things people don't like the series (along with the "Do I look like a Mary Sue?" and... well the whole resolution of the Circle of Light plot), considering how overwhelmingly loved the book it that has always felt a bit pointless and petty just to put Warcry in his place.

However fully deserved. :p

2: Still not liking how Nightbeat is being written (considering his cameo in Shadowplay was handled perfectly I'm not sure what Roberts is doing wrong here), bring back Bogart Nightbeat! It also continued the fine and long-standing tradition (going all the way back to The Big Shutdown where Siren just rides up and explains the plot to him before he has a chance) of the Autobot's greatest Detective not getting to do much detectoring, Rewind just tells him everything he needs to know.

The stuff with him working out what linked the vanishing people was a welcome break from this tradition, but was a subplot is an issue with a lot more going on in it. So before season 2 is out I'd really love a proper Nightbeat detective story where he works things out through investigation and smarts rather than people expositioning at him.

Denyer
2014-09-17, 07:43 PM
Came out wonderfully. In the hands of another (lesser) writer the conceit would've played out another twelve issues and not had any pace-shifting twist either.

Skyquake87
2014-09-17, 07:46 PM
What a smashing issue. I wasn't sure how this would be 'reset' , but I am pleased it was done in a smart way. I am still not sure what I make of Rewind's return - its that whole comics thing of an alternate version of a character replacing the original (although in this case, it isn't...I think I've just gone cross-eyed). Time will tell. I just don't like stuff that does away previous emotional climaxes that you've invested in just because. I'm sure Roberts has a plan.

And Brainstorm!

Didn't see that coming. Although it seems silly for someone to have their real insignia stamped on them somewhere - kind of defeats the object of being in deep cover. Unless the brands are like tattoos...

Unlike Dalek, I like Nightbeat's abrasive personality. He's Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory, isn't he? That said, I agree it would be good for him to do some proper detecting.

Lovely art this issue, and I am hoping Ravage sticks around. I like him - and I liked that scene of him getting annoyed and being pat on the head by Nautica :)

inflatable dalek
2014-09-17, 07:59 PM
Unlike Dalek, I like Nightbeat's abrasive personality. He's Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory, isn't he? That said, I agree it would be good for him to do some proper detecting.

There's nothing wrong with his personality as such (though it's fairly stock Lost Light), it's just not Nightbeat's personality. Can anyone seriously imagine this guy having a friendly drink outside a space pub with Quark?

I want the guy back who had a wry cynical edge but had a love of mystery driven by a sense of inquisitive fun rather than being a dick.

Fair enough if Dark Cybertron is supposed to have changed him, but it's odd no one else on the ship has noticed or cared (especially in Dark Cybertron where it should have been a major clue something was wrong).


Lovely art this issue, and I am hoping Ravage sticks around. I like him - and I liked that scene of him getting annoyed and being pat on the head by Nautica :)

It took less than six months before we had a fembot petting a pussy. The perverted fanboys have taken over!

Skyquake87
2014-09-17, 08:09 PM
The perverted fanboys have taken over!


..takes one to know one etc etc :swirly:

Warcry
2014-09-18, 03:53 AM
I don't think Warcy will like it though.

;)
Eh. Rewind was never going to stay dead. Everyone knew that from the get-go, as much as we might have hoped otherwise. Not much point being upset with the inevitable. What will really be telling is if Roberts actually does anything with Rewind now or if it's just feels-bait. But since Rewind's return is, for now, the only lasting consequence of opening the coffin, I think it's safe to say that there's a bigger plan in play for him. I don't think he's evil or a DJD spy, but I do think that his presence will bring something big and negative down on them.

I agree with you that Nightbeat being an antisocial jerk feels totally wrong, though. :)

The issue mostly avoided pointless, masterbatory bigging up of the DJD, gave Megatron, Ravage and Nautica some added depth, and wrapped up the quantum duplicate storyline in a satisfactory way. The quantum mechanics jokes even worked this time. I liked it!

Curious to see where the Brainstorm thing is going. Given that this isn't pro wrestling, I'm going to assume there's way more to the story than "Haha, I was evil all along even though it makes very little sense!"

Also curious to know what's in the briefcase, since it had a totally different effect last issue compared to the one we saw at the end of this one. Are their multiple briefcases? Or is the briefcase not actually related to either the time-shuffling or the knockout power?

My insane theory is that the briefcase itself (or who/whatever is inside it) is malevolent, and somehow controlling Brainstorm. Especially if he actually crammed that Point-One-Percenter spark into it like he implied he might.

zigzagger
2014-09-18, 05:25 AM
Just some more thoughts:

Chromedome and ALL Rewind's reunion still has me grinning.

Anyway, I'm fairly confident that Roberts has something planned with Rewind, if the cover for issue #35 (http://static.seibertron.com/images/comics/uploads/1408550479_TF_MTMTE_35_cvr.jpg) is anything to go by. We shall see.

Love that Megatron seems to be at odds with his past Decepticon self and the so-called Autobot. He's adjusting, little by little, and gets more and more easier to empathize with, which seemed nigh-****ing-impossible just a few issues ago. It's some damn satisfying character growth.

Ravage gets to be Megatron's companion! And I'm so all for that. Two issues in and I love him.

Skids seems to be Megatron's moral compass. It's a role I wouldn't have pegged him for, so I'm pleasantly surprised. Good on him for telling off Megatron, too.

Re: Nightbeat -- I'm with Skyquake on this one. With the IDW-verse, I've long accepted that characters not matching up with earlier incarnations comes with the territory. Then again, I've always kind of appreciated that about this continuity. Mind, I agree that Marvel Nightbeat is a far more memorable character, likable even, but I like Roberts' take all the same.... errr, even if it is inconsistent with the one from the -Ations era.

Also agree that I would like to see Nightbeat do some more detective-ing and go on a silly caper with Nautica ala Matrix Quest style. He's got the Sherlock-esque snark and the whole deductive reasoning thing down -- which makes him Nightbeat enough for me -- but yeah, it'd be nice to see him actually walk the talk.

Death's Head
2014-09-18, 09:20 AM
Anyway, I'm fairly confident that Roberts has something planned with Rewind, if the cover for issue #35 is anything to go by. We shall se

That is an interesting cover - something to do with Rewind's old flame, Dominus Ambus, perhaps?

Summerhayes
2014-09-18, 11:22 AM
Hey, I only got this a day late for once! And I still didn't manage to read it before we were on the second page of chat...

Bloody good issue, as always. I still feel it was a little too happy an ending re: Rewind, but it worked well enough and i'm sure there's much more to come. Megatron comforting him at the end was a great moment. I'm getting the impression that Megs isn't necessarily bad, but maybe is a big ol' space racist. Hopefully he'll work through that.

A few thoughts on Brainstorm; According to Rodimus' conversations with Drift, the Decepticon Initiation Ceremony involves cutting off a piece of spark casing to make the insignia, so it makes sense he'd keep it. I'm sure (or at least, hopeful) that there will turn out to be more to it than Brainstorm being an out-and-out buddy, though. Too bad we've probably got a two - parter and a three - parter before we find out!

Terome
2014-09-18, 03:02 PM
I have read this now!

Pretty satisfying. It sold me the Rewind comeback I'd been dreading, went a long way towards futher selling the logic of having Megatron onboard and had a good display of the sort of attention-to-detail that I like. Plus, Ravage was lots of fun and we've got some tasty mysteries to chew on with Brainstorm and Rewind.

I think the Tarn-is-Ambus lobby is becoming more convincing with every issue, don't you?

Quite liking this Nightbeat, in contrast to you lot. I'd actually forgotten he was in the early -ations and can't recall much of what made him stand out other than being lobostomised and shot. Here he serves a valuable function as a know-it-all and, along with Skids, seems to elicit some hints of admiration or respect from Megatron. 'There's a type' indeed.

So the ALL briefcase is some sort of undo button and the OLL briefcase is a big knock-you-all-out spell. How did the ALL briefcase get so far away from Brainstorm's body? Was ALL Brainstorm shot in the back?

Art seemed a bit deadline-towing in the last few pages. I imagine the poor art team were bushed after the last issue.

It'll be nice to spend time with Magnus, Rodimus, Perceptor and all the rest next month. I like these new additions but none of them seem to like each other much, Nightbeat and Nautica excluded. Does Skids remember being best buddies with Getaway now? He doesn't seem to really interact with him much.

So we only have Rewind's word that Chromedome is dead but the Necrobot definitely witnessed the death of a Chromedome somewhere. Presumably the DJD did not bother to report on their slaughter of Autobots or put Rewind's recording to propaganda use as Megatron wasn't surprised to see any of these cats alive. Must have confused whoever was taking those reports from the mole.

Last observation: on colour. It's been talked about before but it really seems as though purple=Decepticon to Transformers who went through the war. I wonder if anyone's made that clear to Nautica the way they do to Cyclonus. I also wonder if there's a reason why Decepticons gravitate towards that colour. Some mythic or cultural connection? Is it the same reason that Cyclonus is purple? I like the implication that Transformers attach a lot of significance to colour. It makes sense as they are all brightly-coloured children's toys.

Warcry
2014-09-18, 03:07 PM
Re: Nightbeat -- I'm with Skyquake on this one. With the IDW-verse, I've long accepted that characters not matching up with earlier incarnations comes with the territory. Then again, I've always kind of appreciated that about this continuity. Mind, I agree that Marvel Nightbeat is a far more memorable character, likable even, but I like Roberts' take all the same.... errr, even if it is inconsistent with the one from the -Ations era.
That's the main thing for me -- IDW Nightbeat used to be the likeable hardboiled detective that we all know and love. Changing him into a less-likeable character without any of the other cast noticing or caring, for no particularly good reason other than that the writer wants to (and apparently loves some random BBC show?), is kind of annoying. Especially when Roberts has shown such skill in the past at giving utter nobodies new personalities -- if he wanted to write a character like BBC Sherlock, then it'd make more sense to use Streetwise or Stakeout or someone.

And it's not like Nightbeat is the only time that people have been annoyed by such a change -- Costa did the same thing with Prowl and the fanbase flipped out on him. People actually like Roberts, so the reaction is closer to mild annoyance, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to be irked by it.

That is an interesting cover - something to do with Rewind's old flame, Dominus Ambus, perhaps?
I'm probably wrong, but for me the pile of dead "disposables", the propaganda-like message right above them and the title of the story all point towards this being set back in the days of Chaos Theory/Shadowplay.

Summerhayes
2014-09-18, 03:44 PM
It is the third part of the Chaos Theory/ Shadowplay trilogy; Roberts mentioned it at AA.

zigzagger
2014-09-18, 03:59 PM
That starts in issue #36. "Elegant Chaos" is what Roberts is calling it.

Issue #35 is a standalone tale, I believe. Not much to go on in the solicitations, however, so it's entirely speculation on my part, but I am hoping for a Rewind-centric tale. Or at least some additional backstory. A follow up on the Dominus Ambus thread is loooooong overdue.

Summerhayes
2014-09-18, 04:33 PM
Ah, my mistake, I thought EC started in 35. I try to avoid looking at covers/ previews/ synopses as much as I can. I like it fresh!

zigzagger
2014-09-18, 05:18 PM
I'd do the same, but I'm terribly impatient.

Though I'm learning not the set my expectations too high when it comes to the solicits.



And it's not like Nightbeat is the only time that people have been annoyed by such a change -- Costa did the same thing with Prowl and the fanbase flipped out on him. People actually like Roberts, so the reaction is closer to mild annoyance, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to be irked by it.

Oh, no, of course it's perfectly reasonable... thooooough to be fair, Prowl's change in the earlier Costa run was the result of, well, Costa not giving a shit. It was made all the more irksome when it didn't match up with Roche and Robert's interpretation of the character HAPPENING AROUND THE SAME GODDAMNED MOMENT IN ANOTHER BOOK. Two books, in fact!

In Nightbeat's case (who we've not seen since 2008 before his return), to me it just reads like a different spin on the detective persona and that Roberts is having a bit too much fun with the character. I'm not too bothered by it, but I do get why it has others annoyed.

I have read this now!

It'll be nice to spend time with Magnus, Rodimus, Perceptor and all the rest next month. I like these new additions but none of them seem to like each other much, Nightbeat and Nautica excluded. Does Skids remember being best buddies with Getaway now? He doesn't seem to really interact with him much.


Mm-hm. Very little of the old the faces this 'season'. I wouldn't mind spending a little more time with them. The end of the last season, we were just beginning to scratch the surface of Rodimus's character, with promise of a redemption arc.

MikeB
2014-09-18, 09:30 PM
Ok, quick thought having just reached issue 28 on my re-read. The first real page has Brainstorm discussing his colour coded good/bad gun, with Nautica dismissing moral absolutism etc etc. Given the possible revelation about Brainstorm now, why would he be interested in developing a weapon like that? Given that these things rarely seem to be thrown in without some sneaky purpose down the line it's adding a bit of extra intrigue for me...

Re: Tarn's identity, in an earlier Ratchet seemed to indicate with his "Tarn" comment that he may know who he really is? If so, surely he'd have told Rewind if it was Ambus? Maybe ALL Rewind found out and turned, but if so why would he be still there and hiding? I'm still guessing Roller, and I'm wondering if this thread will be tied up in the next set of flashback issues?

Terome
2014-09-19, 08:10 AM
Ok, quick thought having just reached issue 28 on my re-read. The first real page has Brainstorm discussing his colour coded good/bad gun, with Nautica dismissing moral absolutism etc etc. Given the possible revelation about Brainstorm now, why would he be interested in developing a weapon like that? Given that these things rarely seem to be thrown in without some sneaky purpose down the line it's adding a bit of extra intrigue for me...

That is neat. It could be saying any number of things, the most likely perhaps is that Brainstorm made those colour coded guns rigged for the sole purpose of maintaining his cover or that they didn't work at all. Or maybe it's a hint that he's a Cylon-type deep cover doesn't-know-he's-a-spy sort. Or that he isn't really a Decepticon. Or that he is a Decepticon but has been undercover for so long he doesn't even think about it anymore unless a Decepticon comes at him at a big gun and it might be useful for him to flash his badge.

My read on it all is that he's not a Decepticon. That badge is there to get out of sticky situations and that gamble, of course, failed this time. He abuses his superweapons and undo buttons all the time to get free drinks and mess people around because he is a devious sociopath. At the end we see a typical day for Brainstorm, doing whatever the hell he wants.


Re: Tarn's identity, in an earlier Ratchet seemed to indicate with his "Tarn" comment that he may know who he really is? If so, surely he'd have told Rewind if it was Ambus? Maybe ALL Rewind found out and turned, but if so why would he be still there and hiding? I'm still guessing Roller, and I'm wondering if this thread will be tied up in the next set of flashback issues?

Ratchet might know but I think that was Prowl who made that comment. He wouldn't tell anyone.

The next set of flashbacks are a sure bet for clearing up this mystery. To be honest it would be a bit disappointing for another major villain to turn out to be someone unexpected but I guess it's a little different as Tarn's mask immediately makes us wonder who is under there while with Shockwave it's a little more complicated.

Mm-hm. Very little of the old the faces this 'season'. I wouldn't mind spending a little more time with them. The end of the last season, we were just beginning to scratch the surface of Rodimus's character, with promise of a redemption arc.

I'm a big fan of the Fables-style rollover of the main cast but I suspect, like Fables, the original line-up will slowly creep back in to the limelight.

Hey something I only noticed on a reread - Cyclonus is accounted for by Rewind's recollection. He was killed. How about that.

MikeB
2014-09-19, 11:02 AM
My read on it all is that he's not a Decepticon. That badge is there to get out of sticky situations and that gamble, of course, failed this time. He abuses his superweapons and undo buttons all the time to get free drinks and mess people around because he is a devious sociopath. At the end we see a typical day for Brainstorm, doing whatever the hell he wants.


Not to mention a definite track record of cowardice on his part... it would be a very good get out if cornered. Though if the briefcase is really that powerful would he even need to do that?

I don't think I had this level of suspense even as a kid reading the Marvel comics....

Unicron
2014-09-19, 11:47 AM
Not to mention a definite track record of cowardice on his part... it would be a very good get out if cornered. Though if the briefcase is really that powerful would he even need to do that?

The briefcase actually isn't that powerful. It's always been described as a portable containment unit for whatever super crazy thing he's working on. 'Bad things happen if it's opened outside of a controlled environment' kind of thing. If you were working on stuff like that, on a ship with people Whirl and Swerve, wouldn't you want to keep that sort of thing chained to your wrist where you can keep an eye on it?

Plus I always figured that while something in it might be a powerful weapon, it's probably at an early stage of development and likely to be just as dangerous to Brainstorm as the person he'd try to use it against.

That or it's some kind of ray that turns the affected individual into a black repaint and makes them all depressed.

Blackjack
2014-09-19, 12:18 PM
This thing is out? Shit, I didn't even realize!

Need to track it down.

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-09-19, 12:42 PM
Wow, that guy who guessed the quantum thing on TFW was spot on.

Liked the issue. Ravage is, again, adorable. Please, please, please can the grumpy little beggar stay on the LL?

And Brainstorm. Wow. I don't know what to think of that. The bar scene notwithstanding (I like Terome's just-another-day-at-the-office idea above), I expect that there is (wait for it) More Than Meets the Eye (sorry) to the 'con symbol. Apart from the whole double agent thing, possible explanations include:

* Brainstorm has always carried a 'con badge hidden on his person as a get out of jail free card (as suggested by Terome and Mike B above).
* Brainstorm has been a 'con in the past, but had a change of heart at some point.
* The symbol was hastily painted by Brainstorm on a readily detached body part as the DJD boarded, again to try to bluff his way out.
* The symbol was painted by the real double agent on Brainstorm's body to incriminate him.

Now, if the last option is true, who could be the real double agent? Surely the choice must be either Rewind (last man standing, possibly spared by a mask wearing friend, able to skew reports of events as he wishes) or Chromedome (no corpse found by Team Megatron AFAIK, known to have flaky morals, links to the (New?) Institute and potential there to make dubious alliances, and the ability to inject Rewind to make him think he had seen the 'dome killed by the DJD)?

All I know is that surely JR has brought Rewind back for a good reason. It could be for a plot unrelated to the double agent (Dominus Ambus, for example), or it could be for the emotional impact of him being betrayed by Chromedome after everything they've been through.

Oh my, I can't wait to find out.

BTW, my latest Tarn-o-meter reading is pointing towards Roller. Was sure it was Dominus Ambus for some time, but the upcoming Chaos story coupled with the DJD cropping up just ahead of it is making me think we will get a Tarn resolution soon. And if that is so, and the answer lies in Cybertron's past and Pax's backstory, then surely it will be Roller. Plus, changing from Autobot lawman to Decepticon justice enforcer seems rather fitting...

Plus, That or it's some kind of ray that turns the affected individual into a black repaint and makes them all depressed.

LOL! :D

EDIT: And poor Animus. Man, he cannot catch a break... died on both Lost Lights. I'm intrigued by him. What did he turn into? Why was he on the ethics committee with Xaaron and Trailbreaker (and more the point, why the heck was Trailbreaker on the ethics committee?) And now I doubt I'll ever know. :(

inflatable dalek
2014-09-19, 02:01 PM
Eh. Rewind was never going to stay dead. Everyone knew that from the get-go, as much as we might have hoped otherwise. Not much point being upset with the inevitable. What will really be telling is if Roberts actually does anything with Rewind now or if it's just feels-bait. But since Rewind's return is, for now, the only lasting consequence of opening the coffin, I think it's safe to say that there's a bigger plan in play for him. I don't think he's evil or a DJD spy, but I do think that his presence will bring something big and negative down on them.

The two briefcases are the other lasting consequence of the coffin, and the time altering properties of at least one of them might well explain how that message wound up going to the past.


Curious to see where the Brainstorm thing is going. Given that this isn't pro wrestling, I'm going to assume there's way more to the story than "Haha, I was evil all along even though it makes very little sense!"

It's fairly standard spy stuff though, the seemingly utterly trustworthy person who turns out to be a long standing sleeper agent (anyone in the UK currently watching The New Avengers on ITV4 will see this taken to ludicrous extremes as the whole "Paying for the joy of the 60's" angle of the show means it's full of old dear friends of Steed who were villains all along). I wouldn't be surprised if Roberts was thinking of the Cambridge spies as well.

It makes a degree of sense of well, for someone to work their way into a high position of trust they'd have to play it completely straight 99% of the time, presumably Brainstorm was placed either for a very specific mission or to pass on Autobot military secrets covertly (and perhaps more importantly, as a developer of those weapons to guide their research down blind alleys and ultimately useless innovations), he'd have to act as an out and out Autobot to get away with that.

Mind, if that Decepticon symbol was there all along, how did he ever manage to have a drink in Swerve's without giving away his secret?

Thinking about it further: The ALL crew found out about Overlord much earlier that the OLL crew did, suggesting the traitor was someone who never discovered the Decepticon was there until it was too late on our ship. Which would rule out Brainstorm who knew all along and could have done whatever was done to the Slow Cell to give the game away on the OLL as well.

Also curious to know what's in the briefcase, since it had a totally different effect last issue compared to the one we saw at the end of this one. Are their multiple briefcases? Or is the briefcase not actually related to either the time-shuffling or the knockout power?

My current theory: It simply isn't the same briefcase at all. ALL Brainstorm simply made another one at some point, out of materials that weren't on the Lost Light at the start. Hence the different powers and both surviving.

Of course, if that's the reason there's now two briefcases, that suggests Rewind isn't the same Rewind that we know either (a scene of him ripping off his rubber mask to reveal a shrunken Tarn under there perhaps?)...

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, once ALL Rewind found out Chromedome had lied to him and been involved in bringing Overlord aboard would he get pissed enough to contact the DJD to try and hand Overlord over to them for execution? Mad speculation time!



And it's not like Nightbeat is the only time that people have been annoyed by such a change -- Costa did the same thing with Prowl and the fanbase flipped out on him. People actually like Roberts, so the reaction is closer to mild annoyance, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to be irked by it.


To be completely fair, Roberts has form for this before in the overhaul (and piss take) of Drift for the series. The difference though, is no one liked Drift before...

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-09-19, 02:30 PM
That is neat. It could be saying any number of things, the most likely perhaps is that Brainstorm made those colour coded guns rigged for the sole purpose of maintaining his cover or that they didn't work at all. Or maybe it's a hint that he's a Cylon-type deep cover doesn't-know-he's-a-spy sort. Or that he isn't really a Decepticon. Or that he is a Decepticon but has been undercover for so long he doesn't even think about it anymore unless a Decepticon comes at him at a big gun and it might be useful for him to flash his badge.

Forgot to comment on this. Maybe Brainstorm was in the midst of some soul searching, and wanted to talk things over with Nautica in the only way he could - hypothetically. Maybe he was questioning just which way his loyalties truly laid? A gun that could show him his "true colours" (cf. Skids and Megatron) would be a very scientist-y thing to think of. If he was in two minds pre-quantum weirdness, what could have happened in limbo to make him go all "You're all my beeeee-atchs now, suckas!"? Or... could we have some quantum cross-contamination and the Brainstorm we see in the bar actually be the ALL Brainstorm, and the dead one be doubting OLL Brainstorm? Probably over thinking this now...

inflatable dalek
2014-09-19, 03:07 PM
Ah, James Roberts pointed out to me on twitter that issue 30 covers how Brainstorm managed to have a drink without removing his mask.

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-09-19, 03:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Roberts was thinking of the Cambridge spies as well.

I could go with that. Maybe a bit Tinker, Tailor... too?

Mind, if that Decepticon symbol was there all along, how did he ever manage to have a drink in Swerve's without giving away his secret?

Space straws.

Thinking about it further: The ALL crew found out about Overlord much earlier that the OLL crew did, suggesting the traitor was someone who never discovered the Decepticon was there until it was too late on our ship. Which would rule out Brainstorm who knew all along and could have done whatever was done to the Slow Cell to give the game away on the OLL as well...

...Ohhhhhhhhhhh, once ALL Rewind found out Chromedome had lied to him and been involved in bringing Overlord aboard would he get pissed enough to contact the DJD to try and hand Overlord over to them for execution? Mad speculation time!

My memory fails me. When and how did OLL Chromedome find out about Overlord and the slow cell? Wasn't it when Rewind was critically injured and he was at a low ebb? On the ALL, could the circumstances of him finding out have played out slightly differently? Maybe Rewind didn't get injured, and ALL Chromedome found out another way while more in control of his emotions and either tells Rewind about Overlord straight away (who maybe contacted the DJD or persuaded Chromedome it was the right thing for him to do so), or decides for himself he won't go along with the conspiracy for whatever reason and deactiavtes the slow cell? Or maybe ALL Chromedome never found out about Overlord, and the double agent is Rewind who DID know about Overlord all along. He does carry an awful lot of data around with him...

inflatable dalek
2014-09-19, 03:38 PM
It was Brainstorm's straw that betrayed them all!

Warcry
2014-09-19, 06:41 PM
Ratchet might know but I think that was Prowl who made that comment. He wouldn't tell anyone.
You're right about it being Prowl. The way he said it though, I got the impression that most everyone know who Tarn really is. Chromedome certainly would, at least -- Prowl isn't the type to use dramatic air quotes unless the person he's talking to already knows exactly what he's trying to say.

I'm a big fan of the Fables-style rollover of the main cast but I suspect, like Fables, the original line-up will slowly creep back in to the limelight.
I'm of two minds on this. I like to see new characters introduced regularly because that's how Transformers books have always worked, but I don't like seeing it done en masse while so many of the original cast's issues are still unresolved. I'd prefer a more "Law & Order" approach, slowly and organically switching out one or two characters at a time.

Of course, it's hard to complain too loudly about it when (most) of the new characters are just as interesting as the original cast. :)

Liked the issue. Ravage is, again, adorable. Please, please, please can the grumpy little beggar stay on the LL?
Since he was one of the guys on Roberts' original want list, I suspect he'll sick around for a while.

The two briefcases are the other lasting consequence of the coffin, and the time altering properties of at least one of them might well explain how that message wound up going to the past.
I forgot about the extra briefcase! That's less dramatic, though.

It's fairly standard spy stuff though, the seemingly utterly trustworthy person who turns out to be a long standing sleeper agent (anyone in the UK currently watching The New Avengers on ITV4 will see this taken to ludicrous extremes as the whole "Paying for the joy of the 60's" angle of the show means it's full of old dear friends of Steed who were villains all along). I wouldn't be surprised if Roberts was thinking of the Cambridge spies as well.
Standard, sure, but not especially interesting. As with any revelations that come up in this series, I suspect the actual reason for this will be deeper than it seems at first blush.

My totally unsubstantiated guess is that he may have been a double agent once, long ago, but that he's been an Autobot for so long that he doesn't consider himself one anymore.

Thinking about it further: The ALL crew found out about Overlord much earlier that the OLL crew did, suggesting the traitor was someone who never discovered the Decepticon was there until it was too late on our ship. Which would rule out Brainstorm who knew all along and could have done whatever was done to the Slow Cell to give the game away on the OLL as well.
That struck me as well. Brainstorm may or may not be a Decepticon, but the fact that he knew about Overlord in both timelines makes it very unlikely that he'd have called the DJD in one and not the other.

Well, that plus his cowardice. Blowing his cover for any reason doesn't seem very likely.

inflatable dalek
2014-09-19, 07:20 PM
Standard, sure, but not especially interesting. As with any revelations that come up in this series, I suspect the actual reason for this will be deeper than it seems at first blush.

Hee got pissed one night and had an embarrassing tattoo done.


Well, that plus his cowardice. Blowing his cover for any reason doesn't seem very likely.

As there's presumably a bit of a time lag between the Chromedome and Rewind reunion and the scene on OLL (to let everyone get back aboard as they'd have presumably re-materialised on the shuttles), I wonder if the reason Brainstorm is acting now is that he's got taps on the ship's communications and knows the Rod Pod has been in touch to warn them about him? He might have opened the case just as security was about to walk in through the door and grab him.

Warcry
2014-09-19, 08:02 PM
I meant insofar as calling in the DJD would have blown his cover, not the last page of the issue. Opening the briefcase and KOing an entire room full of crewmates is perfectly in character for what we know of the guy. If he'd done it two issues ago, everyone would have been, "Oh that Brainstorm, what a goof!" and not ascribed any sinister motives to it at all. I mean, he put the whole ship in stasis in Spotlight: Trailwhoever and nobody called him a Decepticon then.

zigzagger
2014-09-20, 05:18 AM
So I had a thought, and forgive me if it's come up already and I somehow missed it....

But based on the assumption that ALL Rewind remained as there was no OLL Rewind to contradict his existence*, wouldn't the same apply to, say, Rodimus's half of the Matrix? Assuming ALL Rodimus's corpse -- which last we checked was on the OLL -- still holds the other half.

That is, if the coffin didn't disappear after everything went back to normal. :o

* Mind you, I'm not completely sold on this theory yet. I suspect there's more going on with OLL Rewind than... well, you know. Maybe he's the original... somehow? Doubtful, but who knows.

inflatable dalek
2014-09-20, 09:16 AM
I meant insofar as calling in the DJD would have blown his cover, not the last page of the issue. Opening the briefcase and KOing an entire room full of crewmates is perfectly in character for what we know of the guy. If he'd done it two issues ago, everyone would have been, "Oh that Brainstorm, what a goof!" and not ascribed any sinister motives to it at all. I mean, he put the whole ship in stasis in Spotlight: Trailwhoever and nobody called him a Decepticon then.

That actually shows how easy it would be to build a case against Brainstorm- It's a pretty amazing coincidence he just happened to freeze everyone (in a way not dissimilar to what happens here actually) right at the point a load of Decepticons wanted to come aboard and steal Metroplex's thumb isn't it?

Now, there's an argument against that as well of course (those Decepticons were rouges working with a mad Autobot so having the right contact details for the local spy would be unlikely), but I can easily see how the seeds of doubt would be very much sowed in the minds of his colleagues.


But based on the assumption that ALL Rewind remained as there was no OLL Rewind to contradict his existence*, wouldn't the same apply to, say, Rodimus's half of the Matrix? Assuming ALL Rodimus's corpse -- which last we checked was on the OLL -- still holds the other half.

I suppose the most straightforward explanation is that the spreading effect simply hadn't reached OLL Rewind's floating corpse yet (something backed up as the likes of Cosmos don't seem to have vanished form) and that's why ALL Rewind was safe. If we go with that, the Matrix would depend on whether Rodimus had thrown the broken half away or not.

Unicron
2014-09-20, 12:57 PM
I suppose the most straightforward explanation is that the spreading effect simply hadn't reached OLL Rewind's floating corpse yet (something backed up as the likes of Cosmos don't seem to have vanished form) and that's why ALL Rewind was safe. If we go with that, the Matrix would depend on whether Rodimus had thrown the broken half away or not.

The shattered Matrix bits from our Lost Light are scattered over the cooled hotspot on Luna 1, per the text story at the end of Remain in Light.

I doubt the alternate Matrix half was stuff in the coffin with Rodimus, given that it's their map. Seems more likely that Drift or Magnus would have kept it so they could figure out where they were going.

Red Dave Prime
2014-09-20, 07:35 PM
The shattered Matrix bits from our Lost Light are scattered over the cooled hotspot on Luna 1, per the text story at the end of Remain in Light.

I doubt the alternate Matrix half was stuff in the coffin with Rodimus, given that it's their map. Seems more likely that Drift or Magnus would have kept it so they could figure out where they were going.

Sometimes, just sometimes, it might be best to stop over-thinking this stuff. I'm sure we can find cracks in the alternate/ original plotline if we keep looking but for the most part I think Roberts has done a great job with the idea. I wouldnt be surprised if there is something specific about Rewind and the Alternate briefcase surviving (by the fact that the attention is drawn to both) but if there are other bits that dont add up, I'm happy enough with what does work.

zigzagger
2014-09-21, 05:00 AM
Errr.... I, uh, I was just thinking about the overall quest ;)

It was just a random thought I had. The OLL crew had lost their map, so I was wondering what happened to the ALL crew's half of the Matrix. Was it left behind in the wreckage? Did the DJD take it? And while the OLL gang is planning on catching up with Thunderclash at some point, the map is still kind of pertinent to finding the Knights.

Summerhayes
2014-09-21, 07:10 PM
There was another line about the ALL going where they were supposed to go, per the matrix map, whereas the OLL was off getting lost and distracted so I wouldn't be surprised to either see the ALL matrix turn up or rewind tell them where to go.

AskShockwave
2014-09-21, 10:17 PM
Hello! I haven't posted on here in years -since 2008!- as I kinda fell out of love with TF comics. Absolutely loving MTMTE, though, so...back in the game!

The specific reason that I'm posting is to point out that...

Mind, if that Decepticon symbol was there all along, how did (Brainstorm) ever manage to have a drink in Swerve's without giving away his secret?

There's a panel in #30 where he refuses a drink, stating that he always carries his own...which he then pours into his wrist :swirly:

Yep, after 6 years, THAT'S what I wanted to post! I guess it could be evidence that he was 'wearing' the symbol prior to death-by-debris on the ALL, meaning that it wasn't planted on him by anyone in the room when he was found.

Or someone simply took advantage of his known chin issues?

Either way, he drinks through the wrist :)

Auntie Slag
2014-09-22, 06:55 AM
Was it death by debris though? If you look at that panel (where they lift the debris off of him), it looks like there's a small hole at the base of his spine, which tends to be the area where they remove the Transformaton cog.

So now that the ALL has returned Rewind, does that mean we can expect to see Polaris, Hyperion, the one they eulogised, Lockstock and Spoke and Deftwing return (that's the guy who got beheaded by a Legislator, yes?).

And what about Pipes? He died horribly in both continuities, but at what point are the two Lost Lights supposed to merge leaving one Lost Light, at the point of the Quantum jump in issue 1?

Does this mean our Ratchet still has his old hands? Is it simply that everyone whose died in our continuity since the first issue gets returned, and everyone (and everything) who've been picked up along the way since issue 1 get to remain on board because OLL takes precedence over the ALL since Rewind and Megatron switched off the Quantum drums of the ALL?

Maybe that's clearly stated, but I just wanted to check and see what others thought.

And Skids was the business :)

Unicron
2014-09-22, 04:07 PM
So now that the ALL has returned Rewind, does that mean we can expect to see Polaris, Hyperion, the one they eulogised, Lockstock and Spoke and Deftwing return (that's the guy who got beheaded by a Legislator, yes?).

Near as I can tell, it's only those who were alive when the OLL disappeared and the ALL engine shutdown who is around/back. Polaris, Pipes, etc. were dead at this point on both ships, so they don't get to come back. Rewind was alive on the ALL, so he gets to persist*.

As for Ratchet's Pharma-hands and Cyclonus' sword, they should be in the Rodpod, probably stuffed in a closet so people don't trip over them.

*That assumes the deciding factor in who came back is that there was one version alive. It's possible ALL Rewind stuck around because his OLL corpse (assuming he actually is dead floating in space with Overlord) is far away from the OLL's present location. As such, there could be the ALL corpses of Polaris, Hyperion, Tripodeca, etc. sitting on OLL right now.
Or it could be that ALL Rewind persisted because "Information has weight".
Or ALL Rewind is a fake and thus wouldn't have been eliminated with the ALL.

Hooray for overthinking things!

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-09-22, 04:42 PM
Or ALL Rewind is a fake and thus wouldn't have been eliminated with the ALL.

Eject was getting jealous being left out. One trip to a spray paint booth later...

inflatable dalek
2014-09-22, 08:02 PM
Wait, so after 8 years Ask Aspel decides to come back just to point out I was wrong?

*BANNED*

Unicron
2014-09-22, 08:10 PM
Wait, so after 8 years Ask Aspel decides to come back just to point out I was wrong?

*BANNED*

6 years, almost.

Does this get me banned too?

Rack 'n Ruin
2014-09-22, 08:22 PM
Wait, so after 8 years Ask Aspel decides to come back just to point out I was wrong?

*BANNED*

Well, the rest of us had got that role pretty well covered, but we were on a tea break and he volunteered, so...

AskShockwave
2014-09-23, 12:02 AM
Wait, so after 8 years Ask Aspel decides to come back just to point out I was wrong?

*BANNED*

Well, technically I was just answering your original question, so...not that I'm pointing out that you're wrong or anythi... I'll say my goodbyes.

inflatable dalek
2014-09-23, 07:36 AM
Don't go AS, I was just attempting weak humour.

Rack'N'Ruin on the other hand is banned.

They won't actually let me ban people. I don't know why.

inflatable dalek
2014-09-26, 02:52 PM
Hey, guess who just won the original Faceplate page art* on Ebay? Moi!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Transformers-More-Than-Meets-The-Eye-33-page-12-Original-Comic-Art-/161426237721?nma=true&si=QcVtaA%252FLicO8HW7SAfzfrbaaZjc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

*Well, I say original, as, IIRC correctly, Milne didn't ink this I assume this is a high quality scan of the pencils than the inker then did his or her magic on (presumably that's the reason a lot of pages from this issue wound up on Ebay when there's an absence of other Milne drawn material on there). Presumably in this day and age inkers don't get sent the actual physical penciled page do they? Still very nice though and pretty much a one off that was surprisingly cheap (that works out less than I paid for my page of art from issue 6).

Slightly related to the issue beyond smug gloating:

I would like to retract what I said earlier about Nightbeat not detectoring enough as this week I have been mostly reading Raymond Chandler short stories and this approach of the hero having the plot explained to him is in fact entirely in keeping with the noir source that inspired the character.

Seriously, the poor detective (there's a few different ones but the names don't matter as they are all impossible to read without visualising Humphrey Bogart) is, when not drinking everything in sight, constantly being koshed on the head before being taken to the Big Man who cheerfully explains exactly how the detective has become a patsy (this usually involves a Dame That Done Him Wrong) .

The only actual deductions the hero makes seem to usually be based on him assuming everyone is out to get him and therefore they're all in on it.

These stories are however huge fun (and the characters who don't talk like Bogart talk like Sydney Greenstreet. Except the ones with vaginas who come over as Laruen Bacall).

Denyer
2014-09-26, 06:06 PM
Neat. Clear self-encapsulated storytelling even without the text.

Blackjack
2014-10-02, 01:59 PM
Late to the party! Like, a month late.

I’ve finally read this issue. It’s a… good issue, I guess? It doesn’t wow me like a great MTMTE issue does – but at the same time nothing in this issue particularly grates so it isn’t a bad one.

The general conflict of dual quantum Lost Light thing is explained sufficiently and succinctly, even though thanks to overdiscussion in the forums we kind of figured it out two months ago. It’s not a bad explanation… not too stupid or too handwavey, but at the same time not too technical that it ends up being a handwave. It’s a nice explanation. We get a bunch of references to older events which is nice (is that the Dead Universe Wraith thing Nautica is holding in Brainstorm’s lab?), we get a nice little red herring in the Shrink Ray Gun…

I just wasn’t all that excited about the resolution mostly because I know it’ll be resolved, and the big question is only if Rewind will make it to the final product. Not saying that I don’t like it, because I do… but it isn’t a Holy Hell This Is Awesome reaction that I have to most things MTMTE, it’s a “I like it because I definitely don’t hate it” apathetic kind of like.

The big ones – the Chromedome-Rewind thing ends up ending the ‘good’ way like many people IIRC theorized, though we did get a Roberts™ Brand Fake Out death, though this one isn’t quite as jarringly obvious as many others. We get a nice little explanation to bring Rewind back, and it’s definitely not something I endorse – Rewind’s death is hands down one of my favourite moments in MTMTE history, so backpedalling around it pisses me off… but at the same time, it’s a different Rewind with traumas and shit which opens up a whole different can of worms and drama fuel, so we’ll see where it goes. Especially since Alternate Chromedome’s death was godawfully brutal. Hopefully we get something going on with Rewind, is all.

Overall I thought the Rewind/Chromedome stuff was handled as well as it could be – I am still opposed against the idea, but I don’t actively hate on it anymore.

The big one is also Brainstorm being revealed to be a Decepticon… which took me off-guard. Most of the issue proceeded the way I thought it would, except for this one part. And I thought the only mystery we’ve got going on for Brainstorm is his Dead Universe-ness which has been resolved in Dark Cybertron somewhat! Extremely interesting, especially just what is in the briefcase that ‘Our’ Brainstorm opened and took out the entire bar (that was a cool, awesome panel with a great one-liner) and just why did it survive the Quantum Fixer-Upper? Absolutely intrigued about Brainstorm.

A bit torn about Brainstorm in general, honestly. On one hand it’s an awesome twist if handled properly, on the other hand it reeks of a bluff and that Brainstorm’s not an actual Decepticon (why would a double agent wear an incriminating insignia on his person?) but if it’s the latter it’s going to piss the hell out of me because this is certainly a good twist. On the other other hand, I like Brainstorm dammit he can’t be the bad guy!

I’m honestly confused, because the only real hint of Brainstorm being evil was the morality bullets which presumably will serve as a way to make him not be evil, but we’ll see. There could be *ahem* more than meets the eye to Brainstorm’s current state.

And the goddamn Briefcase! Just what the hell is that thing? Why did it survive quantum stuffs? Why did it go from timey-wimey fourth-wall-breaking powers to knocking everyone out in the room? Did Brainstorm have multiple briefacses? Is the contents of the briefcase changed by the point one percenter?

The scream in ‘Our’ Rewind’s message… I’m going to assume waving it off as ‘stuff caused by the Quantum Stuff’ is a red herring. There must be more to it… and is Rewind’s explanation about how he’s not the plant also red herrings? Dammit so many herrings in this arc.

Did we see Chromedome’s brutal corpse with needle fingers stuck up his head in last issue? That made me wince.

Skids’ speech to Megatron I really like, and Megatron’s speech about not wanting to help random strangers, I really like as well. Bit cheesy all around, but I like. Also love the thing where Megatron doesn’t want to volunteer for a suicide mission because everyone else wants to. Megatron overall is still a lot of fun to read after being a bit shoehorned at the beginning of season two. I do like how he gradually changes and adapts to his Autobothood and learns that, you know, it’s not just turning a new leaf and that’s it. Again like living Rewind I still don’t like the idea, but Roberts executes it well enough that I don’t hate it.

I actually laughed when Megatron and Nightbeat did that type joke. I did.

Page with Chromedome and Rewind just standing on the thing? Beautiful. Megatron telling Rewind that he and Chromedome are ‘inseparable’ before the fake out death? Pretty heartwarming.

Thought the secondary characters were a bit weak. Riptide’s still a dick, but not as much as before. Nautica’s a lot more of an exposition machine than before. Nightbeat is still fun although not as strong as previous issues. Getaway is just… there. Still not sure why the cast change other than to facilitate the 'members of the original Lost Light are gone' thing. I WANT MORE WHIRL DAMMIT

Ravage is still lovable. “Touch me again and I kill you.” And while I don’t think that Ravage would be fazed off the Decepticon cause just by seeing a mountainload of Autobot corpses, his appearance here still delights.

Alternate Rodimus’ death is kind of idiotic but it’s, well, funny.

Cyclonus getting his face blown off by… by whichever of the DJD turns into a gun, Vos or Kaon, I forgot which is which, that was brutal. And Pipes! Dammit Roberts!

TL;DR, a satisfactory conclusion to a rather unconventional arc, Rewind’s return and Megatron are handled as well as it could, Brainstorm is a good twist, highly interested in Brainstorm, highly interested in the briefcase, hopeful that Rewind will do something interesting, what the hell was I doing forgetting to read this for a month