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Clay
2014-09-17, 03:38 AM
We really need a thread for this, as they're kind of a thing now.

I'll start! They're expensive, but pretty neat, eh? Looking forward to completing Feral Rex in a few days, myself. You?

Knightdramon
2014-09-17, 06:22 AM
Buying odds and ends here and there [almost exclusively MMC figures]. No real urge to complete feral rex NOW, so I'm just early birding the newest figures.

Has anybody watched a video review of hasbro's windblade? That was the review that firmly pushed me away from Hasbro's mass releases :lol:

Will preorder MMC's Felisabre and Azalea in October, and just get the rest of the Predacons [bar Talon] as and when. :up:

Skyquake87
2014-09-17, 08:54 AM
Much as it disgusts me to admit it, I have just seen this fellow:

http://www.allspark.com/content/2014/09/unique-toys-ordin-01-troll/o01_01/#main

And I could seriously be tempted by some updated Terrorcons.

This not-Blot looks pretty good. Are Unique Toys up to scratch on the QC front?

Warcry
2014-09-17, 05:50 PM
Has anybody watched a video review of hasbro's windblade? That was the review that firmly pushed me away from Hasbro's mass releases :lol:
Didn't even realize she was out yet. What did they screw up this time?

On-topic: I don't care about combiners so 99% of third-party offerings aren't for me. In general, though, I think the quality of the merchandise (and the relative price points) have gotten much better over the last couple years as the market has shifted more and more towards MP-style figures and away from Classics-style reinterpretations. Each of the major third-party designers has a style of their own and none of them mesh well with the official Deluxes and Voyagers. Designing stuff that's aiming to replicate the cartoon models seems more up their alley, and stuff like Scoria or Quakewave or the MMC Predacons fit in better with an MP collection than Defender or City Commander or Giant/Hercules ever did with Classics. The prices line up a lot closer with the official stuff, too.

The only third-party item that tempts me is Hexatron. I am decidedly not a fan of all the unnecessary grooves and ribbing all over his legs, wings, etc., but otherwise I think they captured Sixshot's look nicely. He seems to be quite poseable, and all five alt-modes seem to be...well, no crappier than they were on the original. The price is in line with official stuff, considering the size and complexity of the thing, and I'd be surprised if Hasbro could make a fully-functional modern sixchanger that was any smaller or less-complex (triplechangers just barely work as Voyagers, and Generations Leaders aren't better in anything but size judging by Jetfire and Megatron).

Reviews seem to be mixed, though. Does anyone here have the thing? What are your impressions of it?

Judging by the pics I see of it online, I get the impression that nobody actually transforms their Hexatron. Is it frustrating to get into the alt-modes? That's be a big strike against it, because I like to transform my stuff quite a bit even if it's always displayed in robot mode.

Denyer
2014-09-17, 06:42 PM
From a not-owning perspective Hexatron looks alright (albeit somewhat over-detailed). Robot mode, anyway... six-changers don't lend themselves to anything other than vague shapes as alt modes.

This not-Blot looks pretty good. Are Unique Toys up to scratch on the QC front?
Yeah -- can vouch for the Metroplex head, Mania King, Soundmixer and Salmoore. Soundmixer feels a little bit cheaper, possibly because of the head sculpt.

Am sure I'll be back to this thread... thus far I've picked up a fair mix of 3P stuff with a favouring of Fansproject (headmasters, Bruticus, Insecticons, stray individuals). No particular quality problems, touch wood.

Knightdramon
2014-09-17, 07:15 PM
The only third-party item that tempts me is Hexatron. I am decidedly not a fan of all the unnecessary grooves and ribbing all over his legs, wings, etc., but otherwise I think they captured Sixshot's look nicely. He seems to be quite poseable, and all five alt-modes seem to be...well, no crappier than they were on the original. The price is in line with official stuff, considering the size and complexity of the thing, and I'd be surprised if Hasbro could make a fully-functional modern sixchanger that was any smaller or less-complex (triplechangers just barely work as Voyagers, and Generations Leaders aren't better in anything but size judging by Jetfire and Megatron).

Reviews seem to be mixed, though. Does anyone here have the thing? What are your impressions of it?

Judging by the pics I see of it online, I get the impression that nobody actually transforms their Hexatron. Is it frustrating to get into the alt-modes? That's be a big strike against it, because I like to transform my stuff quite a bit even if it's always displayed in robot mode.

Got the black version, which is arguably the coolest thus far.

First off, your life will be easier if you have the figure in hand, look at packaging shots, throw the damn instructions in a bin and watch video reviews.

Some of his alt-modes aren't much to look at---wolf, spaceship and apc are my favourites. The "tank" is just the figure lying down with the legs up, the "gun" is just the spaceship with the waist folded the other way.

He takes a lot of handling to get used to and appreciate his quirks---he's madly poseable, VERY stable, has got little tricks here and there not apparent from the get go, he's huge [bigger than MP10 and MP13] and what strikes me as very, VERY surprising is his weight.

He's heavier than both Soundwave and Starscream [masterpieces] and he's cheaper than either.

If you want the most bang for your buck, go for the black version---you get two AWESOME stag cleavers and an extra helmet. Original version has got Drift-like swords with scabbards that get in the way. Continuum version [not yet out] does away with any kind of melee weapons, gives him two smaller, chromed guns and remoulded chest wings and helmet.

Clay
2014-09-17, 10:43 PM
I have the first version of Hexatron (well, the second or third production run of it), and quite like it. I'll spill the beans after class tonight.

Paul053
2014-09-18, 02:46 PM
I have a reivew (https://sites.google.com/site/pttfcollection/3rd_party/sixshot), if you are interested in reading it.

He has a 7th mode. :) I called it wolf warrior mode.

And here is a showdown (http://paul053.deviantart.com/art/EOTA-SS-16-449577734) between him and Optimus. :D

https://sites.google.com/site/tflocation/home/tfimages/sixshot/Sixshot-52.jpg

Warcry
2014-09-18, 06:06 PM
Thanks for the feedback, guys!

First off, your life will be easier if you have the figure in hand, look at packaging shots, throw the damn instructions in a bin and watch video reviews.
Instructions? Ha! They won't even be unpackaged. Figuring out how to do it is half the fun!

I (eventually) figured out all ten of Gigatron's modes, so I'm at least going to take a crack at them all if I get this guy.

Some of his alt-modes aren't much to look at---wolf, spaceship and apc are my favourites. The "tank" is just the figure lying down with the legs up, the "gun" is just the spaceship with the waist folded the other way.
That sounds more-or-less identical to the original, TBH. Wolf and spaceship are the only two that I even remember the look of without a reference pic, honestly, so as long as they got those right I'm willing to give the other modes a bit of a pass on looks.

He takes a lot of handling to get used to and appreciate his quirks---he's madly poseable, VERY stable, has got little tricks here and there not apparent from the get go, he's huge [bigger than MP10 and MP13] and what strikes me as very, VERY surprising is his weight.

He's heavier than both Soundwave and Starscream [masterpieces] and he's cheaper than either.
It really shouldn't be a surprise that he's heavier than Soundwave, should it? I mean, Soundwave's entire torso is hollow.

If you want the most bang for your buck, go for the black version---you get two AWESOME stag cleavers and an extra helmet. Original version has got Drift-like swords with scabbards that get in the way. Continuum version [not yet out] does away with any kind of melee weapons, gives him two smaller, chromed guns and remoulded chest wings and helmet.
Nah, I want a Sixshot toy, not some random 99% black sixchanger dude. It'd be a choice between the original and the new, G1-ified release, I think. :)

I find the original's Drift-swords random and baffling, and don't like how the scabbards look. On the other hand, the original guns look way nicer than the chromed ones on the reissue. I'll probably end up getting the new one just because of the price, if I go for it.

I have a reivew (https://sites.google.com/site/pttfcollection/3rd_party/sixshot), if you are interested in reading it.
Thanks! Lots of good info in there, and the pics are very helpful too. The alt-modes look a lot better than I feared they would, and it's good to hear that the beast mode has at least some articulation. I love the way he scales with MP Grimlock, too. That's exactly as big as he is in my mind's eye.

He has a 7th mode. :) I called it wolf warrior mode.
Oh, I imagine that like all sixchangers, he's got way more than one extra mode if you go looking for them. :)

Denyer
2014-09-18, 08:02 PM
I called it wolf warrior mode.
The fact he turns into Anubis definitely raises my level of interest. Didn't realise he was MP Grimlock size either.

Coming back to Geoff's earlier point about combiner teams... I might not be into gestalts particularly, but individual team members offer variety to a collection and are an excellent way for designers to get creative because the Scramble City moulds were generally little not-particularly-detailed blocks.

Prefer it when they stick to square-ish heads, though.

Warcry
2014-09-18, 08:28 PM
The fact he turns into Anubis definitely raises my level of interest. Didn't realise he was MP Grimlock size either.
If Anubis is what you're after, I think we need Knightdramon to give us that same pose using his Black Hexatron. :glance:

Coming back to Geoff's earlier point about combiner teams... I might not be into gestalts particularly, but individual team members offer variety to a collection and are an excellent way for designers to get creative because the Scramble City moulds were generally little not-particularly-detailed blocks.
In general I'd agree with you, but I don't find that many third-parties do a very good job of that. Most everyone seems to concentrate on making a fantastic, huge combined mode and then doing whatever with the limbs, sometimes ending up with stuff that only vaguely resembles what they're trying to homage when it's not combined. I don't expect that to change any time soon either, since this fandom has always had an inexplicable-to-me obsession with gestalts and general indifference for the smaller robots that make them up.

Prefer it when they stick to square-ish heads, though.
Yes! I can't stand when toys designed after Scramble City limbs wind up with curved or spiky heads. The square, blocky nature of them all is one of the things that, IMO, makes them so charming.

In spite of being rather nonplussed by Hasbro's Combiner Wars stuff, their Air Raid is basically the perfect example of what I want in combiner homages (and what almost nobody actually seems to want to make).

Denyer
2014-09-18, 08:53 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking I might get the Air Raid and Breakdown, although as I really like TFC F-15 Eagle with the reprolabels more as something to fiddle with than display.

The fact that combiner limbs don't necessarily get as much love and care makes it easier to be selective with collecting -- TFC Structor works well as Scrapper, Warbotron Heavy Noisy is a really nice Brawl, etc. but I'm not feeling at all completist. It took Quantron to get me interested in a gestalt (although I did end up going after the FP Bruticus when I saw one for significantly less than the more speculative eBay prices).

Clay
2014-09-19, 01:35 AM
Some of his alt-modes aren't much to look at---wolf, spaceship and apc are my favourites. The "tank" is just the figure lying down with the legs up, the "gun" is just the spaceship with the waist folded the other way.


I think you're showing an ignorance of the original toy here. :) I've had the original Sixshot since 1987, so I feel completely qualified to say that Hexatron is as good as it's gonna get for Sixshot's design. It's surprisingly faithful to the original; if you've handled it, you can figure out Hexatron easily. And most of the extra bits and bobs in the transformation are for tabs that lock everything into place. This is good! For comparison, after 27 years, all of Sixshot's non-ratcheted joints are getting droopy.

At any rate, I display them on the shelf side-by-side. I had thought of writing a review, but could only ever come up with this sentence: Hexatron is Sixshot remastered and in high definition. It works, though.

Here are many pictures!

http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/library/third-party?sort=3&page=1

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/IMG_3761.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_3761.jpg.html)

Warcry
2014-09-20, 03:44 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking I might get the Air Raid and Breakdown, although as I really like TFC F-15 Eagle with the reprolabels more as something to fiddle with than display.
While I think the TFC F-15 looks pretty cool, it really doesn't look like an 80s Aerialbot at all. Hasbro's Air Raid (updated jet mode aside) looks like it stepped right off of a cartoon cell or model sheet. Sadly that's not the case with any of the other Combiner Wars stuff, so I guess it was just a happy accident.

The fact that combiner limbs don't necessarily get as much love and care makes it easier to be selective with collecting -- TFC Structor works well as Scrapper, Warbotron Heavy Noisy is a really nice Brawl, etc. but I'm not feeling at all completist. It took Quantron to get me interested in a gestalt (although I did end up going after the FP Bruticus when I saw one for significantly less than the more speculative eBay prices).
I'm of two minds on that. Though I like the general look of the combiner limbs, I can't say that I like any of them enough to pay the $80-$100 that any of the ones that caught my eye would cost. Heavy Noisy in particular looks like a spot-on perfect Brawl, but I'm about as likely to shell out for that as I would be for a spot-on perfect Masterpiece of Gears or someone -- which is to say, not at all.

A really good Skydive, First Aid, Scrapper (Structor doesn't do it for me, I'm really attached to the toy's proportions) or Lightspeed might do the trick, since I love those characters and wouldn't be at all opposed to owning MP-scale representations of them, but nobody's even come close to making me want their stuff yet.

(I'm also a bit sad that, among all the eight different iterations of third-party Dinobots, nobody's making a Snarl that passes muster)

I think you're showing an ignorance of the original toy here. :) I've had the original Sixshot since 1987, so I feel completely qualified to say that Hexatron is as good as it's gonna get for Sixshot's design. It's surprisingly faithful to the original; if you've handled it, you can figure out Hexatron easily. And most of the extra bits and bobs in the transformation are for tabs that lock everything into place. This is good! For comparison, after 27 years, all of Sixshot's non-ratcheted joints are getting droopy.
You know, I was really hoping you guys were going to convince me not to buy him... :(

Okay, fine. I'm sold. If he gets here in November and sucks, it's all you guys's fault! ;)

Denyer
2014-09-20, 08:00 PM
Not sold on any of the Dinos? FansToys got me on-board when they kicked off with a Slag homage.

Have also decided to do a pick-and-mix at the smaller scale... so far FoC Grimlock with upgrades, PX Caelus (Swoop), FP Columpio (Sludge) and TW Roar (Snarl)... but not sure about voyager-sized Slag options from another producer. Maybe the Shura King one.

Clay
2014-09-20, 08:22 PM
Each of the major third-party designers has a style of their own and none of them mesh well with the official Deluxes and Voyagers. Designing stuff that's aiming to replicate the cartoon models seems more up their alley, and stuff like Scoria or Quakewave or the MMC Predacons fit in better with an MP collection than Defender or City Commander or Giant/Hercules ever did with Classics. The prices line up a lot closer with the official stuff, too.

Is "fitting" a fair argument, though? Classics/Universe Sideswipe has a certain style to him, but would you equate him as fitting in with a hypothetical Classics Skalor? The official stuff is a very heterogeneous lot to begin with. So much so that I'd argue that stuff like Giant and Hercules both simultaneously fit within the idea of "Classics", even with being so different from each other while trying to be basically the same thing.


In general I'd agree with you, but I don't find that many third-parties do a very good job of that. Most everyone seems to concentrate on making a fantastic, huge combined mode and then doing whatever with the limbs, sometimes ending up with stuff that only vaguely resembles what they're trying to homage when it's not combined. I don't expect that to change any time soon either, since this fandom has always had an inexplicable-to-me obsession with gestalts and general indifference for the smaller robots that make them up.

Hmm. Yes and no. TFC did a good job with Hercules' components being dead-ringers for their original counterparts, whereas Maketoys' Green Giant's individuals vary wildly. But each company isn't consistent in that regard. TFC are also making a Predaking, Ares, and its component robots are very different from their inspirations. MMC's Predaking, Feral Rex, is in contrast a dead ringer for the original Predacons in every mode.

And that doesn't even consider that sometimes changing the design is a good thing. I don't really want a fancy, detailed Swindle with shoulders in the middle of his torso. I think the center of the debate is whether it's appropriate to make such sweeping changes when the source material - the original combiner figures and the cartoon and comic models - are so idiosyncratic and different from each other. If, at the design stage, they start to adhere to one iteration more than another, they'll inevitably alienate some potential customers.

At any rate, I've completed Hercules, Uranos, Intimidator and, supposedly on Monday, Feral Rex, and have been exceedingly pleased with all of them in all their modes. Granted, I can only display them in the combined modes since they take up the least space that way, but that's another matter.

Warcry
2014-09-20, 09:34 PM
Not sold on any of the Dinos? FansToys got me on-board when they kicked off with a Slag homage.
Scoria is very pretty (that chrome!), but in spite of owning Slag as a kid I can't gather up any interest in a modern version of him at all. Their Swoop is basically perfect too, but Swoop likewise does nothing for me. And then their Snarl looked kinda bad at first glance, because of course it does, I like Snarl. :( None of the others do anything for me either.

You'd think with ten sets of third-party Dinobots somebody would get the guy right, but so far no dice.

Is "fitting" a fair argument, though? Classics/Universe Sideswipe has a certain style to him, but would you equate him as fitting in with a hypothetical Classics Skalor? The official stuff is a very heterogeneous lot to begin with. So much so that I'd argue that stuff like Giant and Hercules both simultaneously fit within the idea of "Classics", even with being so different from each other while trying to be basically the same thing.
I'd argue that there's a much bigger gulf between most third-party stuff and Classics than there is between any of the many, varied official items released under the various Classics/Universe/Generations banners. Mixing City Commander or the like with Generations toys, they stand out just as much as Animated toys would. That doesn't necessarily make them bad, but it does make them something that I have absolutely zero interest in.

But then again, there's such an insanely large glut of third-party stuff these days that it's a very good thing that different companies take different approaches. Imagine how boring it'd be if all ten sets of 3P Dinobots looked the same!

Hmm. Yes and no. TFC did a good job with Hercules' components being dead-ringers for their original counterparts, whereas Maketoys' Green Giant's individuals vary wildly.
Yeah, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. I can see only the vaguest of resemblance to the originals in either set. I know it's only been a couple years, but both sets look really blah compared to what comes out now. I'm actually very impressed with the leaps in quality that third-party stuff has made. The first couple generations of stuff universally looked like garbage (IMO) and seemed to have really questionable quality. Some of it is still poorly-made crap, but the best 3P stuff nowadays seems to equal the best official stuff in engineering, sculpt and quality.

Knightdramon
2014-09-21, 01:04 PM
Compared to stuff hasbro is bringing out now [seriously guys, watch the windblage review by peaugh for a reference] even the simplest 3p product looks and handles like a pro.

On the Devastators front, I've seen people SWEAR by Giant. Was never a huge constructicons fan [only got 2/6th of Hercules before selling them] so I can't really see the appeal.

And I ain't a massive Predaking fan either---it's just that Talon [and by extension, Denyer's Leo Dux and Bovis] that I handled are very good figures.

Knightdramon
2014-09-24, 05:26 PM
Clay, as a person who's opinion I greatly trust on toys...how stable is Predaking-Feral Rex?

It appears everybody and their mother at tfw2005 go on about how he's very wobbly below the waist and his leg joints are very unstable.

I'm 1/5th of the way in. Should I back out now and sell Talon or keep on? To be honest, badass or not, I don't want an unstable and wobbly figure... :swirly:

Clay
2014-09-24, 10:17 PM
Moved your post to this thread as it makes more sense.

It's not anything like what they make it out to be. The feet have little tabs in the back that can lock them into whatever position you want and keep the ball joints from slipping. So you have to set the feet the way you want them and then finagle the tabs to hold them in place, and then it's all good. It's certainly not like a little deluxe where weight isn't factor and you can just pose it and leave it.

As for the telescoping legs, yeah, they could have made little external tabs to lock them into a position instead of using just the internal ratchets, but whatever is in there now is plenty strong. Also, the wider the stance, the more stable those will be. If Feral Rex is standing straight up, the legs are parallel and the weight is pushing on both legs at the same angle. If you just widen the stance, the downward force is counteracted by the angle. However, mine is standing more or less straight up and I haven't had any problems...

I'll take some pictures if you would like. :)

Knightdramon
2014-09-25, 05:31 PM
Ah damn it man, you swayed me over again!

I'm going to use the shortest setting for the hips anyway, so the extending tabs only matter on me for Razorclaw's robot mode.

Some pictures would be nice, just to gawk at the thing in general! :clap:

Paul053
2014-09-25, 07:34 PM
So far, I have no problem with my arm less MMC Predaking. I do find he does lean backward a tiny bit but like Clay said, there is a tab thing at the foot that can secure the position. I got Talon and Tigris but still haven't got the chance to open them. I can see the extra weight of the arms and wings on the tab cause some issues, but many pictures I saw on the web seemed fine.

If you want, you can see this dude's review as he got some decent pictures and mentioned some issues, too.
http://blackplasticlife.blogspot.com/2014/09/mastermind-creations-reformatted-feral.html

numbat
2014-09-25, 09:00 PM
I got Fansproject City Commander armour for my Classics Ultra Magnus way back in the first release, and have picked up various Justitoys WSTs (including the Dinobots, Blaster and Shockwave) plus iGear Legends Bumblebee.

I absolutely love my City Commander armour, and the build quality and finish are great. It's a shame I missed out on the upgrade with the shoulder missiles later on though (didn't have enough money at the time of release... but if anyone could ever help me out, please let me know!).

The WSTs vary wildly, as my reviews elsewhere on the Archive show. I gave up after Shockwave and Blaster were both pretty major disasters (following Swoop, who was only a moderate and fixable disaster).

iGear Bumblebee was meh.

Recently, however, I have picked up the Maketoys Armageddon add-on for YOTS Supreme Omega Supreme. It is absolutely awesome! And the build quality seems good. In all, my Omega Supreme now has almost as much mass as Generations Metroplex (which says a lot about the build quality of the current mainline toys...). And the base mode! Wow! I have never been excited by a base mode in my life before, but with the Armageddon add-on Omega Supreme is imposing and a great homage to the G1 character (particularly if you keep the arm cannon attached to the spaceship for a more rocket-like effect). The only negative about the add-on is that the light switches are in awkward places (indeed, you need to part dismantle the arm cannon to switch on the light, and then reassemble with it turned on). However, I would have happily bought it without lights (I'm not generally a fan of electronics), and at the same price too. So the arm cannon light is actually a nice bonus.

I also got Perfect Effect Warden (IDW Fortress Maximus). This is my first proper big third party stand-alone figure. I am extremely impressed by the build quality and finish. The articulation and centre of gravity also allows for amazing poses, and the robot mode and Headmaster are awesome. I wasn't blown away by the transformation or alt mode though - he's basically a part-former, and a fiddly one at that. If Hasbro or Takara released him, the internet would ring with the clamour of moaning fanboys due to the transformation and alt mode. However, he is one of my favourite display pieces just now and reckon he will remain as one. (After all, City Commander Ultra Magnus doesn't work well in alt mode either...)

I've got Hexatron Continuum on preorder, as well as the upgrade kit for Warden.

I think the third party toys I have all fit in with their respective Hasbro lines (WSTs with WSTs and others with Classics). With the Classics inspired ones, the only difference is they generally have a better finish than the 'official' toys, although I have a very limited selection so it may not be widely true.

Third party toys have the potential to effectively allow me to complete my updated G1 collection relatively shortly I think, and possibly better than Hasbro would ever let me (if at all). The Combiner Wars pictures just put me off finally - I can't believe I missed out an an excellent third party Menasor waiting for the 'official' one, which is frankly terrible (at least not my style). I had been drawing an arbitrary line between official and third party figures, but now I see no reason they can't all be part of what is really quite a personal collection.

Clay
2014-09-26, 12:36 AM
Recently, however, I have picked up the Maketoys Armageddon add-on for YOTS Supreme Omega Supreme. It is absolutely awesome!

I've seen that! It does make a fine rocket base.

I had been drawing an arbitrary line between official and third party figures, but now I see no reason they can't all be part of what is really quite a personal collection.

Yep, you got it. The caveat of course is the price of the figures... smaller production runs lead to a higher price per unit. So you just have to use your best judgment as to what Hasbro will and won't make. Nice, high end collectible combiners seem firmly in the camp of the later, whereas virtually any other single character is fair game (Straxus, Springer, Skybite). And then sometimes the Hasbro stuff comes out later and is actually less impressive than the unofficial stuff (I like my Uranos and Intimidator just fine!). It's a crapshoot in that regard.

Anyway! Some Feral Rex pictures! Sorry for the low definition; I was using my phone. :o

Here his holding his sword. No problems with the elbow joint in Talon supporting the weight.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182416.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182416.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182547.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182547.jpg.html)

Here he is doing so while on one foot! His right foot is off the ground by about an inch or two. I used the tab in the heel to help lock the left ankle in place. Some fine-tune counterbalancing is done by manipulating the wings.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182740.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182740.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182801.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182801.jpg.html)

Here he is with arms outstretched and using the articulation in his toe. Again, I used the wings to counterbalance where needed.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182934.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182934.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_182958.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_182958.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_183024.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_183024.jpg.html)

Here Feral Rex does the "Flying Crane" from the Karate Kid:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_183315.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_183315.jpg.html)

And here's an attempt at the "Iron Man" pose:
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And here he is just standing there, not doing anything.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_20140925_184010.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_20140925_184010.jpg.html)

So... yeah. I don't have any balance issues with Feral Rex at all. Between having the articulated wings for counterbalance and the locks in the ankles, he's very stable for a big combiner. He is, of course, super-fiddly, but that's just their nature. Big combiners aren't like Unicron or some other large figure that is comprised of large, static parts. They're made of many more pieces that consequently like to move around when you're trying to pose the figure, so it takes a bit more patience.

I'm probably going to take him apart over the weekend and just display the group as an ensemble, though. They're quite nice that way, too! :)

Denyer
2014-09-27, 10:58 AM
Thumbs aren't showing up here, but links work.

Quantron is nice. At closer to half the price I'd probably snap up another set; Overheat is the only figure that's a bit weak in robot mode -- Metalstorm would look good alongside Assaulter in a Wreckers display, and the limb deluxes are all very characterful (particularly Sonic Drill). All feel well-made and substantial enough, minor odd design choices (Sonic Drill's telescopic torso connector and the half-wheels on Celeritas). There are a few tight tolerances, but I only had to give up and read the step-by-step instructions with Drillstorm. The result's gorgeous.

Tempted by the recolour of Sonic Drill that'll be out in future and Warbotron's not-Afterburner for the better robot mode.

Knightdramon
2014-09-27, 11:38 AM
LOL Clay you must either have a very solid copy or half the reviewers and naggers I have seen/read are just piss poor bad.

I'm constantly swinging back and forth on this set :lol:

At least Talon gives me enough practice on sliding these knives onto their hands. Read that a lot of people had issues with them snapping on Bovis and Fortis.

Next Feralcon for me? Bovis or Tigris? Hmmm...

Clay
2014-09-27, 03:38 PM
Quantron is nice. ...The result's gorgeous.

You've got one already? Where did you preorder it from? I know they've been starting to filter out into the wild for a few weeks now.

LOL Clay you must either have a very solid copy or half the reviewers and naggers I have seen/read are just piss poor bad.

It could be both? As I say, patience is the key... after they've waited for a year to collect the full set, they may just be too impatient to mess with it properly. After all, they've got to get it on the shelf and start on the next set!

But yeah, they may just be bad at balancing things. Feral Rex is easy to balance compared to something like Hercules.

At least Talon gives me enough practice on sliding these knives onto their hands. Read that a lot of people had issues with them snapping on Bovis and Fortis.


That is legitimately tricky, true. I can't remember if I ever succeeded with Bovis or if I just didn't bother. I know I got Fortis to hold his... In the end, I just put the knives on the little hip holsters and they looked great there. But that's a relatively minor quibble. Two component figures having difficulty holding some of their weapons is much different than "combined mode can't stand", you know?

Knightdramon
2014-09-27, 05:01 PM
As far as I know, Quantron is available in the UK already via at least Kapow. Lots of people have gotten theirs from Kapow. No clue about the US yet.

I've read reports of people actually snapping the daggers on the palms of the figures, so I was very careful and hesitant initially with Talon.

What you're saying can also be constituted as actual constructive criticism on 99% of the reviewers out there; the need to be the first to have that damn video out overcomes the need to know how to handle the figure in your hands. The MP Wheeljack review [the first that came out] was so rushed I think it was the guy's second transformation or so.

Paul053
2014-09-27, 05:24 PM
As I say, patience is the key
This! That's why I never bother open them quickly. I always spend my time to enjoy each individual figure first, then take the pictures and write my own reviews and then move on to the next. That's how I did with the Green Giant, too.

That is legitimately tricky, true. I can't remember if I ever succeeded with Bovis or if I just didn't bother. I know I got Fortis to hold his... In the end, I just put the knives on the little hip holsters and they looked great there. But that's a relatively minor quibble. Two component figures having difficulty holding some of their weapons is much different than "combined mode can't stand", you know?
Me too. I never succeed on Bovis. Always fear I would break something. Those daggers look nice on the side of his arms, too.

I will be taking a break from 3rd party stuffs for now as there aren't much I'm interested in, too. Maybe MMC's Elita-One. But will wait until I see the pictures and then decide.

Clay
2014-09-27, 06:29 PM
This! That's why I never bother open them quickly. I always spend my time to enjoy each individual figure first, then take the pictures and write my own reviews and then move on to the next. That's how I did with the Green Giant, too.

But if they're not the first one to have it, it doesn't count!

Nah, you hit the nail on the head. And it actually quietly irks me that some of the "video reviewer" people have made a name for themselves and get free toys out of it by getting video reviews up first, despite it being blatantly obvious that they have no idea what they're doing. But they're the first!

How is Giant, anyway? I've always wanted the yellow version, but it seems I missed the window of opportunity for that. But the more that I look at the green version, the more appealing double-dipping on Devastators becomes...

Denyer
2014-09-27, 07:23 PM
As Dion said, they've made it to the UK.

despite it being blatantly obvious that they have no idea what they're doing
I kind of like the more clueless reviews rather than folk who've posed things to show off the best side. Also tend to watch YouTube reviews on mute and/or fast forward to the angles I'm interested in, though.

Feralcons "sword" weapons... they just need a bit of care with Bovis (but mine are on his hips anyway, he's got a blaster and the sword that came with FP not-Vortex).

Anything the size of these combiners is going to be fairly heavy. Quantron and FP Bruticus have different approaches but are both pretty successful, and judging by the big cylinder pegs Feral Rex should hold together well enough... but a lot of people don't seem to latch onto the concept of centre of gravity.

Thumbs seem to be working now.

Knightdramon
2014-09-27, 07:35 PM
I can't watch video reviews with the sound off---I actually want to hear the sounds joints/the plastic makes to determine strong ratchets/weak ratchets, squeaky thin plastic etc.

For video reviews I tend to follow emg316 myself---once you get over his "furmanisms" [he basically repeats every other word in every review of his] he's good at showing things properly, his reviews are well-lit, no "inside" buddy buddy jokes for/from other reviewers, properly showing what has to be done and pokes some fun at the fandom's OCD more than often.

---On topic---

People [or a certain sub-set of them] are making a fuss of MT Defensor's Streetwise being white instead of light gray on the CAD.

F*cking laughing 1st world problems matter or important?

Fire away :lol:

Paul053
2014-09-29, 03:15 PM
But if they're not the first one to have it, it doesn't count!
Right...... Actually just think by. I haven't got any used toys off eBay or others for quite a while.

How is Giant, anyway? I've always wanted the yellow version, but it seems I missed the window of opportunity for that. But the more that I look at the green version, the more appealing double-dipping on Devastators becomes...
He is awesome. I knew there was a huge debate between Giant and Hercules when they came out. But I have no regret when I choose MT. I know they don't have same height in each individual's robot mode bothered many people but not me. And many people complained each individual robot mode is not G1 enough but I'm totally fine, too. Yes, each individual robot has some flaws but the combined mode is just too cool. I still remembered the first time when I combined him. My jaw was opened in awesomeness. Hope I will have the same feeling when I finally combine MMC's Predaking. Here is my review of Giant (https://sites.google.com/site/pttfcollection/3rd_party/giant) if you are interested in browsing it.

Clay
2014-09-29, 09:51 PM
As for the telescoping legs, yeah, they could have made little external tabs to lock them into a position instead of using just the internal ratchets,

Nevermind, I found them...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/IMG_4326.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4326.jpg.html)

DERP.

He is awesome. I knew there was a huge debate between Giant and Hercules when they came out. But I have no regret when I choose MT. I know they don't have same height in each individual's robot mode bothered many people but not me. And many people complained each individual robot mode is not G1 enough but I'm totally fine, too. Yes, each individual robot has some flaws but the combined mode is just too cool. I still remembered the first time when I combined him. My jaw was opened in awesomeness. Hope I will have the same feeling when I finally combine MMC's Predaking. Here is my review of Giant (https://sites.google.com/site/pttfcollection/3rd_party/giant) if you are interested in browsing it.

Already read your review :).

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I like the deviations from G1. I especially like the way the crane arm folds down behind the combined form, and how the ensemble of robots are quite different from one another. I don't dislike Hercules now, but I've been playing around with Uranos, Intimidator, and Feral Rex frequently after completing the latter, and it amazes me how far these things have come in such a short span of time. Hercules was a great rough start and showed that it could be done and be economically viable, but I think Giant fits more with the overall style of those that have followed - more detailed, figures more lean and less blocky, etc.

I highly doubt I'll ever get rid of Herc, but Giant seems to fit the "flow" as it's just happened to turn out. I'm strongly considering acquiring one after Quantron and not-Bruticus finish up.

Paul053
2014-09-30, 04:32 PM
Nevermind, I found them...
Not really sure which one you were talking about but I like the way you fold the lion paws up. Tried myself last night and that actually gave more clearance room for the knees bend.

Already read your review :).
:clap:

I don't dislike Hercules now, but I've been playing around with Uranos, Intimidator, and Feral Rex frequently after completing the latter, and it amazes me how far these things have come in such a short span of time. Hercules was a great rough start and showed that it could be done and be economically viable, but I think Giant fits more with the overall style of those that have followed - more detailed, figures more lean and less blocky, etc.
Actually last week I just took my Green Giant down, separated him apart and transformed each one, and then put them back in one and back to the shelve. I have to say I still like him/them a lot. True, Scrapper is still a pain to get things right especially his scoop, but their overall quality and engineer are still very good (and different than MMC Predaking). I feel I still like the tall deluxe class size although MMC's tall voyager and ultra sizes are also pretty good. Lucky you got all those. 3rd party combiners I only got Green Giant and Feral Rex and the rest I still use FP upgrade Bruticus and FP upgrade Superion (and a homemade Nexus). I'm thinking about Hasbro's Menasor next year although he still looks kind of ............. ugly.

Clay
2014-10-05, 10:43 PM
It's been two weeks and I'm still playing with the MMC Predacons everyday. They're the most persistent fun I've had with transformers in a long time.

More pictures! I discovered that the animal modes are all articulate enough to relax and lay down instead of being stuck in the vicious stand off pose all the time. I like this.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4328.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4328.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4327.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4327.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4329.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4329.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4330.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4330.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4332.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4332.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4333.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4333.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4334.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4334.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4335.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4335.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4337.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4337.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4338.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4338.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/third-party/th_IMG_4339.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/third-party/IMG_4339.jpg.html)

Skyquake87
2014-10-06, 08:10 AM
Aww would not-Razorclaw like a kitty treat..?

Clay
2014-10-14, 01:59 AM
So I've been missing around with Quantron since Saturday now. It gets most of it right. The fact that Computron had a giant gun on his back that he couldn't use was always a bit silly. Quantron is a fair bit more efficient in that regard. Having the hands stow inside the combiner toes is a nice touch, too. But, unlike Feral Rex or Intimidator, the gestalt parts really don't have anywhere to go when the team is in robot mode. Granted, they can attach to Metalstorm's legs, but this looks ridiculous and causes lots of balance problems (Diesel also has this problem, but the surplus parts also make a nice box thing). Would've been nice if the extra parts could have made artillery or something for the smaller limb bots.

I really like the individual robots as well. Sonic Drill's transformation is an over-engineered mess, but everything's fine on either end of the process. All five of them are nicely reminiscent of their original counterparts while having varying degrees of revision. I love the Tron cycle! They make a lovely ensemble group, although I'm terribly biased towards the Technobots. I had them all for my fifth birthday, and still have most of them today (although Nosecone is the only one with his head still intact). They just hit that "late 80's sci-fi futuristic vehicles and spaceships" spot so resoundingly that I can't help but like them. And I do. And now I've totally exhausted the toy budget for the foreseeable future. But it was worth it.

zigzagger
2014-10-14, 02:39 AM
Re: Quantron -- Of all the third party combiners out there that I've seen, I think Quantron is the most... 'slick', I guess is the word I'm looking for. It all just comes together nicely.

Also like how Not-Scattorshot's cannon can be shaped to look like both a crossbow and a bow and arrow (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/8/0/5/0/7/P15-16_071_1400684123.jpg). Has that whole elegant archer thing going for it.

Not-Strafe is pretty sharp. He looks suitably fast and properly "futuristic".

Denyer
2014-10-14, 07:34 PM
http://www.mmc-hub.com/interview-mmcs-griffith76/

Knightdramon
2014-10-15, 12:53 PM
Read that interview last night...kind of confusing.

Makes it sound like the guy we saw at AA [not Cid, the other guy] only did the preliminary design [where he's almost everywhere credited as the guy that did the whole figure]. And it definitely reads as if Griffith is not really happy with Predaking at all.

Generally do not get a good vibe off him, maybe that's just the medium of the interview.

Really looking forward to their Nova Prime [auto purchase, but come on guys, it's been over a year since the first CADs].

On a similar notice, people with the Mech Ideas Ironfist and Crankase...do not move the legs. They break off. Consistently break off at the thigh swivel.

Clay
2014-10-16, 02:10 AM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20141015_162333.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20141015_162333.jpg.html)

Paul053
2014-10-16, 12:57 PM
Read that interview last night...kind of confusing.

Makes it sound like the guy we saw at AA [not Cid, the other guy] only did the preliminary design [where he's almost everywhere credited as the guy that did the whole figure]. And it definitely reads as if Griffith is not really happy with Predaking at all.
And now he said it's too chunky while almost everybody screamed it's too chunky during their design process?

Anyway, finally opened my Tigris and it was a totally fun figure stand alone. Shifting the shoulder is a pain though. Way too tight. But now, I finally get a chance to combine that Predaking. It will be today! :clap:

Clay
2014-10-16, 09:00 PM
I didn't get any impression that he was wholly unhappy with it, but just that he liked the Ox studio design more (slimmer, taller, etc.). Personally, I prefer the bulkier version that was actually made. Unique Toys made their Warlord a fair bit slimmer, and I passed on that one partly because of it.

Paul053
2014-10-16, 10:35 PM
Combined the whole thing. Even just standing there without posing, I stared at him for a long while and he already made my jaw drop. Totally worth it. :headbang:

Knightdramon
2014-10-19, 09:24 PM
Played around with my Black MMC Sixshot a bit...

Do we know what use there is for the wheel swivels on his arms in -any- mode? I checked all official pictures online and on the box, and you don't have to use the swivels to get the wheels out of the way in any mode, nor do they actually inhibit movement at all.

Green chrome off the weapon handles has started peeling off big time on mine. Understandable, since they basically wedge in on his hands and any socket he uses for storage/plug in at any mode, but damn if they couldn't be handled better [ie maybe never chromed at all on the handle].

Those of you going for the Hexatron Continuum release, mind you, the guns on that one are chromed as well!

Paul053
2014-10-20, 04:53 PM
Do we know what use there is for the wheel swivels on his arms in -any- mode? I checked all official pictures online and on the box, and you don't have to use the swivels to get the wheels out of the way in any mode, nor do they actually inhibit movement at all.
The only time I used that wheel swivels is in the winged wolf mode so the wheels kind of stay hidden behind the legs.

https://sites.google.com/site/tflocation/_/rsrc/1380047182586/home/tfimages/sixshot/Sixshot-13.jpg

Knightdramon
2014-10-20, 05:44 PM
Same with me, but still that's not on the box or the crappy instructions. Hmmm.

Clay
2014-10-20, 09:58 PM
Nah, I want a Sixshot toy, not some random 99% black sixchanger dude. It'd be a choice between the original and the new, G1-ified release, I think. :)

I find the original's Drift-swords random and baffling, and don't like how the scabbards look. On the other hand, the original guns look way nicer than the chromed ones on the reissue. I'll probably end up getting the new one just because of the price, if I go for it.

Finally figured it out! The swords and slicey-disc-things are more for the Shadow Maru (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/toyark/98174-brave-9.html#post692476) version should MMC ever get to that.

Combined the whole thing. Even just standing there without posing, I stared at him for a long while and he already made my jaw drop. Totally worth it. :headbang:

Yeah, he's pretty overwhelming. I just put mine back together yesterday after having the group in a robot ensemble for a while. Still super impressed with the whole project. :)

Paul053
2014-10-21, 01:54 PM
Finally figured it out! The swords and slicey-disc-things are more for the Shadow Maru (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/toyark/98174-brave-9.html#post692476) version should MMC ever get to that.
That news was long ago, wasn't it? There is another one which is Greatshot. I wonder MMC either forgot about them or gave up on them since this mold had two repaints already.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/mastermind-creations-greatshot-and-shadow-maru-173232/

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3qIdcD-OlSw/Tl7U9LTq-jI/AAAAAAAAAhA/PgakujSo9Pk/s1600/MMC_ShadowHexatronProto.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S9tbk_hbZKQ/Tl7U9UAI47I/AAAAAAAAAhE/rM_EwTEkDKI/s1600/MMC_GrandusHexatronProto.jpg

Yeah, he's pretty overwhelming. I just put mine back together yesterday after having the group in a robot ensemble for a while. Still super impressed with the whole project. :)
And I separated them last night to beast mode. :) Now I actually feel their individual beast mode is the weakest one. Leo Dux and Tigris are awesome, though.

Knightdramon
2014-10-21, 08:54 PM
In my opinion, the mould only works as Sixshot. [My] The black one looks less gaudy than the others.

Bought MMC's black stealth azalea from BBTS. UK'ers, it came to 86 GBP shipped.

Almost twice as much as the regular version costs from a UK vendor, but given the exclusive nature, I just went with it.

Denyer
2014-10-21, 09:06 PM
Could really go for a Nautica colours repaint of Azalea, with a few mould tweaks.

inflatable dalek
2014-10-22, 03:48 PM
I have to say, with my third party collection ever growing, it's nice that the only ones that have really underwhelmed me were the Auto Assembly exclusive plumber set which was just nasty toys.

With Quakewave, it's genuinely hard to see how Takara could make a better masterpiece Shockwave.

Warcry
2014-10-22, 04:54 PM
In my opinion, the mould only works as Sixshot. [My] The black one looks less gaudy than the others.
It looks just fine as Greatshot, IMO, but I'm honestly not sure there's much market for that. Even by third-party standards he seems ridiculously obscure at a $150 price tag, and I don't know how much interest there would be from the fandom at large. The cult following that the Japanese shows had a decade ago seems to have pretty much died off these days. Aside from a handful of big names like Star Saber or Overlord or Dai Atlas (who've all transitioned into Western media) I'm not sure many people care about the Japanese characters anymore.

The fact that they chose to rerelease Sixshot with slight tweaks before exploring other characters suggests that MMC don't see much money in Greatshot, anyway.

With Quakewave, it's genuinely hard to see how Takara could make a better masterpiece Shockwave.
For starters, they could make sure that their toy looks something like Shockwave from the waist down. I honestly don't know how Quakewave's designers could have spent so much effort getting the upper body just right, up to and including transparent purple hands like the original toy, but slapped on such a generic set of blocky, bulgy legs. You were so close, guys!

inflatable dalek
2014-10-22, 05:02 PM
The legs work for me. Obviously I've only ever paid attention to the purple one eyed monster bit of Shockwave.

Denyer
2014-10-22, 07:41 PM
The fact that they chose to rerelease Sixshot with slight tweaks before exploring other characters suggests that MMC don't see much money in Greatshot, anyway.
Accepting what they say at face value, the driver was the KO.

Unicron
2014-10-22, 09:44 PM
Accepting what they say at face value, the driver was the KO.

Wait. People are actually making knock offs of third party stuff? Something about that strikes me as funny

Denyer
2014-10-22, 10:20 PM
Yeah, quite a few oversized KOs by this point, plus regular sized ones of popular things like the FP 'Insecticons' and Magnus/Rodimus armour.

As with rare official stuff, I don't think there's much justification for complaint if the originators are relying on artificial scarcity and not keeping things in circulation.

Denyer
2014-10-25, 05:22 PM
Put some of the posts about future stuff over into the news thread. My fault for getting off-topic...

http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=51817

Denyer
2014-10-26, 09:56 AM
Second part of that interview:

http://www.mmc-hub.com/interview-mmcs-griffith76-part-2-no-lols/

Knightdramon
2014-10-26, 10:13 AM
Yeah...same with the previous review, perhaps it's the inbetween medium, but I don't like his tone.

Had a laugh about one line at the end though---"enough with the by fans for fans bullshit--we want your money".

Finally, even f*cking jokingly, somebody said it. People can actually be good at what they are doing without doing it as a "charity". People can actually have a passion for designing figures without being hailed as charitable gods that rose to the occasion to present us with the fruits of their labour and passion.

I believe their "MP style" line will backfire [they already showed a CAD for their Mirage yesterday], at least initially. They have a limited pallette of characters [ie are there many people who will buy THEIR MP Prowl when Takara's is available for cheaper?] and they always run the danger of being cancelled out by a single announcement from takara.

Denyer
2014-11-15, 11:55 PM
Magnus didn't cancel Stack, nor do official Grimlocks seem likely to cancel the various 3P ones in the offing.

TW Roar is probably my fave 3P dino to date -- it's an updated original, basically. The stego plates on the legs are nowhere near as distracting as photos suggest and the chrome works a treat. Not sold on what the producer has done with their Sludge homage to give it backpack legs but I wouldn't completely rule out going all-in at a later date, as I'm sufficiently impressed with the Snarl.

Speaking of which, ended up going with regular deco Cubrar to round out voyager 3P dinos in the interest of moving on to other stuff and liking the goofy Animated styling, horns and all.

Knightdramon
2014-11-16, 10:55 AM
Yeah, some clarification on my end---by cancelled out, I don't mean actual cancelling of the release [although this did happen with acousticwave], I mean the sales interfering with each other.

Grimlock is a special case as the original came out in...mid 2008? Early 2009? So it's "old news" by now, no matter how terrific it still is.

Azalea is out for a while now, and all across reviewers hail it as "not fun to transform, only fun to pose", which is sad, considering the near excellent track record of all the Feral Cons.

Denyer
2014-11-16, 05:23 PM
Has there been any indication sales have suffered all that much from several attempts at Magnus being offered? I think FT just play it safer, including not wanting to be in the centre of the radar. With Stack it's made more difficult to judge because QC will have affected sales -- but it did get more than one run, apparently.

Knightdramon
2014-11-16, 05:58 PM
Any real indication? Besides first and second hand discussions here and there, not really. I know *I* might have gone for Stack if MP Magnus was not in the pipeline at that point. But Stack is from KFC as well, who have a very bad reputation in general.

Of course there's people who double dip, so you can't say for sure. Some companies do play it much safer---FT had bad luck and timing with Soundwave, but nailed their timing with Quakewave, and I sincerely doubt that Takara will go for the other Dinos.

AndrewDTurnbull
2014-11-16, 09:36 PM
I had a fiddle with a Citizen Stack at AA. Not great, quite flimsy and cheap feeling. It's MP scale, but in terms of the transformation process feels as if it had been conceived as a smaller toy and then upscaled.

I wouldn't encourage anyone to go out of their way to find one.

Knightdramon
2014-11-16, 11:05 PM
Stack was designed by Cassy/Cassey Stark, the guy who did that 3rd party panel, who also designed the majority of Feral Rex.

From what I've been gathering, KFC as a company had a very laid back/almost counterproductive stance against what they were doing, and many people/customers bailed on them.

Their "revamped" self is X-Transbot, and some UK retailers even dropped their preorders and made a big fuss over how unprofessional they are.

That being said, knock wood their Transistor [not Blaster] looks and handles great and is on my shortlist of "may purchase" items.

Denyer
2014-11-19, 07:53 PM
Various 3P items in the sale:

http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/overstock-sale.html?limit=all

Knightdramon
2014-11-19, 08:25 PM
Hmmm...hasbro's latest offerings aren't such hot sellers, it seems.

Plus, knee jerk reaction to omegabridge's price on jetfire :lol:

numbat
2014-11-20, 02:23 PM
Generations Leader Jetfire just cost me £35 GBP all in preordered from Robotkingdom way back when (think he may be even cheaper now). So £38 from Kapow doesn't seem a great deal on sale...

I'd recommend the Omega Supreme upgrade kit for YOTS Omega Supreme. It's really very very cool! One of my most fun purchases ever I think!

Knightdramon
2014-11-20, 08:20 PM
For me the best deal of that sale is PE Guardian. If I had any attachment for RID Maximus I'd be all over that thing. Apparently it criminally undersold and PE are cancelling the "regular" release.

HLJ [if the site is not down] had the japanese version of leader jetfire [preorder] for around 30 pounds. In fact I preordered whirl, roadbuster and jetfire [all japanese] for around 62 pounds total.

Only then, it dawned on me that maaaaybe I'll need to cut back down on my 3RD party planned purchases. I ain't saying that 3 hasbro figures are of equal or better value, but damn...lots of money per figure for so frequent releases. MP Magnus only cost me 82 pounds before shipping, and he's takara's big money item [the ONE per year].

Hmmm.

Heinrad
2014-11-25, 03:23 PM
I'm seriously thinking about getting the Speedoo and Guartinel set.

Has anybody gotten these? They look like they're about the same size as the Generations Legends Targetmasters.

Denyer
2014-11-25, 07:34 PM
Also some 3P bits on sale in http://masterforce.co.uk/specials.php

Warcry
2015-01-03, 05:03 AM
So my Hexatron arrived today! After spending some time fiddling with him, I find myself both impressed and underwhelmed.

First, the positives:

The toy is a great likeness of Sixshot in all six modes. It looks really good, and manages to capture the hulking badassery that most of the modern art of the character tries to convey. He seems huge and imposing, even compared to something like MP Grimlock.

The beast mode in particular is a lot more impressive than what I was expecting from a Sixchanger with all the requisite compromises that entails. The limbs are unrealistically bulky, but he's still quite poseable and even manages to look fairly fluid in spite of being basically a collection of blocks. The other alt-modes are what they are, and range from "okay" (the jet) to "ridiculous" (the tank). But they're pretty solidly accurate to the original, and weren't any less silly in 1987. The robot mode has good articulation and solid balance. The limbs are so bulky that it hampers range of motion a bit, but again, that's just how Sixshot is. The designers definitely made the most of what they had to work with. His shoulders in particular work way better than they have any right to.

The transformations are also quite intuitive. As someone who's never touched the original Sixshot, I had no idea how some of the configurations worked. And after hearing a lot of horror stories about how tough some of the modes can be, I wasn't expecting it to be a toy I could transform without instructions, but I more-or-less did. Admittedly that's partly due to the instructions being totally useless, but I still managed to get them all figured out with minimal headache. The leg flaps were a bit dicey going into jet/plane/APC modes, but other than that everything moved exactly the way I thought it should.

And obviously I haven't tested this hypothesis too strenuously, but he seems like a really well-built, tough figure (with one exception that I'll touch on in a second). The price tag means that I'm not liable to let a kid get their hands on him, but if I did I'd be very confident that he'd survived unscathed.

But there's also negatives:

The hands are the exception to the above and look ridiculously frail. I don't mind individually-articulated fingers in general, but there's a good reason why even official MPs usually avoid it. Even on a relatively big set of hands there's the potential for breakage, and Hexatron's hands aren't very big. In fact they're practically dainty considering his bulk, and those fingers look really fragile.

There's also some major tolerance issues -- his right hand is really tight when I try to put either of his cannons in, and a lot of the small tabs that are supposed to hold his alt-modes together don't actually fit together. His joints are tight enough that the latter isn't really a huge issue, but it's still an annoyance. Out of the four hundred or so Hasbro TFs I've owned in my life I've only had a handful with such poor "fit" right out of the box, so it's not a great first impression even if it's not unprecedented in official figures.

I'm not sure whether it's the plastic they used or the paint, but his torso and lower legs (basically all the teal and purple parts) feel extremely slippery. I almost feel like I'm going to drop it if I pick the toy up by any of those parts.

Last but not least, the figure really is overdetailed. It isn't as obvious in person as it is in pictures, but whether you put him beside an MP figure or a Generations one it's immediately obvious that he doesn't "belong". Luckily my collection is a bit of a mishmash of different lines, so he's not alone in that regard. Still, I suspect that once I've got a permanent display set up he'll either stay in beast mode or have a couple smaller figures strategically positioned to hide his heavily-ribbed legs.

(I'm not going to bitch about the price. Yes it's high, but official figures in the same size/complexity bracket go for about the same. I can't honestly say he's worth the money, but then I have a hard time saying that about $100+ MPs either...)

Overall, I'm pretty satisfied. Hexatron's not fantastic, but he'd probably merit a solid 7/10 if I was reviewing him for the site.

Clay
2015-01-04, 09:18 PM
The other alt-modes are what they are, and range from "okay" (the jet) to "ridiculous" (the tank). But they're pretty solidly accurate to the original, and weren't any less silly in 1987.

Yep! The idea that all six modes would be stellar is akin to idea that the new voyager Whirl wouldn't be gangly and ugly. It wouldn't be true to the character design if they were prettied up.


The hands are the exception to the above and look ridiculously frail. I don't mind individually-articulated fingers in general, but there's a good reason why even official MPs usually avoid it. Even on a relatively big set of hands there's the potential for breakage, and Hexatron's hands aren't very big. In fact they're practically dainty considering his bulk, and those fingers look really fragile.

I also found the tiny hands strange. At least the 5mm slots are entirely in the palms though. It's nothing like trying to get Alternators to holds their guns if their hands get loose, even with the tiny little pegs in the gun handles.

But the general fragility of some parts of third party figures is also a result of their intended audience: older fans. Whereas the mainline stuff all has to be engineered to survive a six-year-old's play, the niche stuff can be more intricate and delicate by benefit of its target market not chewing on the figures or slamming them on the ground.

There's also some major tolerance issues -- his right hand is really tight when I try to put either of his cannons in, and a lot of the small tabs that are supposed to hold his alt-modes together don't actually fit together. His joints are tight enough that the latter isn't really a huge issue, but it's still an annoyance. Out of the four hundred or so Hasbro TFs I've owned in my life I've only had a handful with such poor "fit" right out of the box, so it's not a great first impression even if it's not unprecedented in official figures.

I'm not sure whether it's the plastic they used or the paint, but his torso and lower legs (basically all the teal and purple parts) feel extremely slippery. I almost feel like I'm going to drop it if I pick the toy up by any of those parts.

Hmm. Don't have any of those problems with mine, but it's an older production run with different guns. Did you try plugging in other figures' weapons to see if it's the holes or the pegs? No ideas about the paint, though.

Overall, I'm pretty satisfied. Hexatron's not fantastic, but he'd probably merit a solid 7/10 if I was reviewing him for the site.

Yeah, I have a few nitpicks about him too (bigger hands, bigger wings for the jet), but I really like him. It's as good as Sixshot can really be without deleting half of the alternate modes.

Warcry
2015-01-06, 09:55 PM
Yep! The idea that all six modes would be stellar is akin to idea that the new voyager Whirl wouldn't be gangly and ugly. It wouldn't be true to the character design if they were prettied up.
Exactly! I mean, you could probably use modern engineering to make a better sixchanger with the same modes, but if the end result doesn't look like the character you're trying to evoke then what's the point?

I also found the tiny hands strange. At least the 5mm slots are entirely in the palms though. It's nothing like trying to get Alternators to holds their guns if their hands get loose, even with the tiny little pegs in the gun handles.
The only thing I can think of re: the tiny hands is that they figured the forearms were already so huge that they didn't want to make them any bigger. An extra millimetre on each axis would have made a world of difference, though!

The "half-socket" 5mm slots in the hands are a brilliant touch, though! It's a simple solution to a problem that Takara hasn't been able to deal with over ten or more years of making toys with articulated hands.

But the general fragility of some parts of third party figures is also a result of their intended audience: older fans. Whereas the mainline stuff all has to be engineered to survive a six-year-old's play, the niche stuff can be more intricate and delicate by benefit of its target market not chewing on the figures or slamming them on the ground.
Honestly, I don't think we should let manufacturers off that easily. I've heard the same thing used to defend used all sorts of companies making toys for older collectors, from third-party Transformers groups to high-end Japanese figures to DC Collectibles' recent Batman figures. But in the end I don't think it matters who a figure is designed for. Accidents happen, and toys that shatter if you look at the the wrong way are crap no matter who they're marketed to.

Though other than the tiny hands I don't think there's a single thing on Hexatron that I'd call fragile. I'm not about to try it, but I suspect he'd be no less safe in a child's hands than most Hasbro toys.

Knightdramon
2015-01-06, 10:15 PM
Interesting take on what is a figure I find myself going back and forth a lot.

On one hand, Hexatron is one of my fave figures. Undisputed. On the other hand, I've for some reason likened him to the MMC Predacons, so not having the entire bunch somehow takes away from him. Weird I know.

Hex is tad odd, proportion-wise, when next to any other figure his size. He has a TINY head [his helmet fits MP Rumble, but is tiny next to MP Starscream's head], slim and elongated torso and generally looks thin and lanky next to other bots.

I've come to terms with his modes---spaceship and wolf are my favourite, with the tank [legs used as cockpit, not cannon] a close 3rd.

Robot mode is fairly poseable for his size and bits in the way [seriously, the fins off his chest do not limit the articulation of his arms almost at all], and surprisingly stable too.

I have the black version and some issues with it are more prevalent than others---both his guns are painted over with gloss dark green paint---the handles flake like crazy because they are so TIGHT on the hands. The semi-painted handles of his cleavers somewhat suffer of the same deal. Both guns and cleavers are too heavy for his BALL jointed hands---I'd happily sacrifice the half milimetre of all around movement for nice tight swivel joints. One hand of his sags limp with the cleaver on.

While very finely detailed, this is one mould that paint works against it---the black version has fully painted glossy lower legs [knee down], which adds a layer of thickness onto many tabs down there. Accordingly, the continium version suffers similarly but has different paint all over.

And lastly, while the continium version looks it's the best deal, it's actually the worst---the chest wings are now ugly stumps, and the new head is too square and blocky in my opinion. Guns I could go either way, but the lack of swords is a bit hit against this mould.

:up:

Denyer
2015-01-07, 07:16 PM
Think I prefer the original, TBH -- and found someone selling a downsized version yesterday that looks like it'd fit with other stuff I've got. Boxy works.

http://i.imgur.com/pxtm7Cd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pxtm7Cd.jpg

Although the new one's definitely a nice revision IMO.

http://i.imgur.com/IRgoEgW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IRgoEgW.jpg

Warcry
2015-01-07, 08:04 PM
The original Sixshot is pretty cool as well, though I think I actually prefer Quickswitch on the grounds that he's so bad that it's hilarious. I can't say I've ever had much ambition to own either one, though. When it comes to G1 my tastes have always skewed towards the small, cute stuff.

Hex is tad odd, proportion-wise, when next to any other figure his size. He has a TINY head [his helmet fits MP Rumble, but is tiny next to MP Starscream's head], slim and elongated torso and generally looks thin and lanky next to other bots.
His head is tiny, but so many Transformers have super-tiny heads that I find myself desensitized to it. I honestly didn't even notice until you mentioned.

I love that he's got a more slender build than Grimlock or the like, though. It makes him stand out a bit from the crowd.

And lastly, while the continium version looks it's the best deal, it's actually the worst---the chest wings are now ugly stumps, and the new head is too square and blocky in my opinion. Guns I could go either way, but the lack of swords is a bit hit against this mould.
I actually feel exactly the opposite -- the mods made to the Continuum version were what finally convinced me to get one. The new head is a better likeness of the character and fits the blocky mold better, the old, blade-like chest wings were unsightly, the random Drift-sword bootlegs were silly and the silhouette is much sleeker without the scabbards. But I vastly prefer the original guns.

I suppose that's part of the appeal of limited-run collectibles, though. It's much easier to cater to the tastes of different segments of the target market.

Denyer
2015-01-10, 05:39 PM
Well, the leg extensions for Perfect Effect Warden look gangly, particularly if he isn't being displayed with the treads on his back, so I've just added the new kneecaps and leg guns and given him the shotgun...

It's sort of like a real-life Dreamwave effect if the clip-on bits and new feet were used;

https://www.flickr.com/photos/foibless2k/16055716768/

http://i.imgur.com/ojGEAm0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ojGEAm0.jpg

Knightdramon
2015-01-10, 06:29 PM
And today I've noticed that I've lost the damn cygar from my igear Kup head.

Tried to make the most out of it by opening him up just to check if it fell in there. Took me a good hour to put the damn torso back together [there's even a spring-loaded piece in there]. Other head looks just as good, but is noticeably wobblier on the neck post.

Contacted Kapow to check if they can offer installment payments for FT Scoria [all signs point to yes].

Overload from 3rd party products these past 2 years...

Denyer
2015-01-10, 08:07 PM
Look on the bright side, it was an odd concept from McCarthy at best. What works in the A-Team looks a bit silly with robots.

Whilst I'm definitely intending to slow down, there are already one or two things announced that I'm interested in -- the rather awesome stab at a Warpath homage from Bad Cube being the most recent.

G1Optimusprime9
2015-01-19, 05:27 PM
http://tformers.com/transformers-fans-toys-ft-03-quake/19369/news.html I honestly would love to get ft-03 Quakewave

Denyer
2015-01-20, 10:09 PM
Have decided to see how good some of the cheap KOs are...

Pretty good: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/996891-oversized-toyworld-ko-throttelbots.html



2eC53wn81ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eC53wn81ds



Just ordered: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/1017942-buyer-beware-high-quality-ko-tf-toys-hercules.html

Inaction Master
2015-01-22, 12:46 AM
Recently got ahold of the third in Planet X's not-Dinobot line, PX-03 Neptune (not-Sludge). First thing outta the box is CHUNK is evident. Chunk chunk chunk. Dude is chunky. He's not much taller than your average voyager, but he has a noticeable deal more of bulk. Light-piping works pretty great. Though I feel like either I've not worked out the transformation correctly, or else the tabs and slots that are meant to peg together aren't quite able to fit in place when overcoming all the mass, (the chest piece that should form the upper half of his diplodocus body can be seen not entirely locked into place from certain angles). Still, glad I have it - just two more 'til I have a full Dino team.

Though seeing as how stuff like Function-X5 MADLAW just went up for pre-order, kinda thinking maybe I should have waited on Neptune.

Also, am I the only one who kinda wants to see some group take a stab at MTMTE Megatron? Mega Steel's Granville comes close to almost realizing that, but there's something about Milne's design that I'd love to see rendered in full.

Denyer
2015-01-22, 11:18 PM
Happy enough with Hegemon, to be honest. More choice is always good though.

Clay
2015-01-23, 01:42 AM
Still, glad I have it - just two more 'til I have a full Dino team.

More than I've got. Haven't fooled with any third party dinos... yet. I like the Fansproject versions the most overall I think, but I'm also interested to see the Toyworld set finished. Time will tell.

At the moment, I'm just waiting to finish out Warbotron Bruticus before starting on the UT Abominus. One group at a time works fine.

numbat
2015-01-23, 09:53 PM
Sorry for the silence lately. Was quite ill over the festive period, with a brief hospital visit for a nasty virus, and work has been eating my time since...

I agree with Denyer: Warden does look rather gangly with the leg extensions without the tread backpack. But I always display him with his backpack, and think the proportions work fine in his über bulky robot mode. The 'small(er)' gun is really nice as well. Shame he's just more a partformer than he was before now though... Amazing robot mode, lacks transformation though (just rearranges parts). Great display piece (I don't see me taking him off my limited display area really), and I love playing around with the robot mode and Headmaster, but, yeah, not the shining light of third party figures folk make him out to be. BUT NOW HE HAS LEG GUNS!

I have also received my Terminus Hexatron Continuum. I have always wanted a Sixshot. I love what they've done with him in the IDW comics. Knightdramon and Paul053 convinced me that the MMC Hexatron was well worth a shot based on two different versions. I ended up going for the latest one, simply because this was the production model available. However, I must say if I had a choice, this is the version I would have chosen - more G1 accurate head, amazing paintwork, awesome chromed guns. And, crucially, smaller chest wings. I actually find the small chest wings do hinder poseability in robot mode, so am certain the larger ones must do as well. Still, it's not a major problem. I've transformed him into all modes without major issues. I love the simplicity and multiplicity of purpose. I love that you can tweak things to make the modes perfect for you. You know what? I just LOVE this guy!

But there are issues. I hear what people are saying about the individually articulated fingers. I quite like it myself, and think the hands are amazingly well designed, but the pin in one of mine is not inserted all the way which worries me... And the fingers are fragile for sure. But I'm not too fussed about these relatively minor problems in an adult's collector's piece. What does worry me is that both hands seem very tight with the slots, and I find it very difficult to get them out again after transformations. I also find the legs rather fiddly to transform because of those wee panels on the inside of the leg.

Small head though? Yeah, if you compare with a person. If you compare with other Transformers? Nope. It's equivalent in proportion to Generations Roadbuster's head, and way better than Year of the Snake Omega Supreme...

Still, the fact of the matter is, if Hasbro or Takara produced this mould I would be praising it to the mountains. That a third party company made this, and sells it at a price comparable to official Masterpiece figures? That is amazing. Terminus Hexatron is the shining light of third party figures, and I love the Continuum version with all it's glossy paint and blocky head.

I am so chuffed to finally own the Sixshot of my dreams! :D

numbat
2015-01-24, 12:51 AM
I find myself tempted by MMC Feral Rex. It's probably a pipe dream. But, is he worth it (£370 GBP)? How does he stack up scale-wise / next to other figures? Is the build quality good?

I have to admit I am very impressed by MMC Terminus Hexatron Continuum.

Denyer
2015-01-24, 11:56 AM
Got a couple of them (Bovis and Leo Dux, plus Felisaber coming soon-ish) and they're big, chunky and well-made. Not really into Predaking but the connecting ports seem solid. For 5 (or 6 if you go for Catilla too) Masterpiece type figures, the pricing isn't too bad. Better value than MakeToys, anyway.

Would suggest picking one you like the most and see what you think.

Denyer
2015-01-24, 05:07 PM
Sonicron... objectively, I'd have to agree with reviews that say the execution is rubbish. Flash needs to be shaved off to get some parts to sit properly, and others don't clutch together well. You also need to remove the cassette spools to get most cassettes to stay flush inside, and even at the marked down price these now go for it's only just about worth it.

But borrowing the Guido design was a great choice, and he'll be spending most time in recorder mode with KFC Badbat and the alt head. Prefer him to the Music Label design.

http://www.3bstoyhive.com/2012/04/bts-sonicron-aka-soundwave-review.html

http://i.imgur.com/Jdx2cG4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A1hijKq.jpg

Knightdramon
2015-01-24, 09:51 PM
I find myself tempted by MMC Feral Rex. It's probably a pipe dream. But, is he worth it (£370 GBP)? How does he stack up scale-wise / next to other figures? Is the build quality good?

I have to admit I am very impressed by MMC Terminus Hexatron Continuum.

I have Talon [and the black hexatron] so far, and they seem to be just fine. Talon is very reminiscent of Cybertron/Galaxy Force voyagers---chunky, weighs comfortably enough for a figure of his size, has got a rather simple transformation, very decent poseability and is loaded with ratchet joints.

I've also handled Denyer's Leo Dux and briefly Bovis [we even "mock combined" the three of them at AA last year]. Of the three I liked Talon and Dux more than Bovis [he's lighter and somewhat smaller than the other two].

I've tried [and failed] to slowly collect them all, but they appear to be a solid effort.

The cash for each is a lot, although if you shop around you can find bargains for some of them, but they are still cheaper than other 3rd party products and frankly, offer better bang for buck ratio than almost every other 3rd party product out at the moment.

Scale-wise they do not look off, they are voyager+ sized.

Clay
2015-01-24, 09:56 PM
I find myself tempted by MMC Feral Rex. It's probably a pipe dream. But, is he worth it (£370 GBP)? How does he stack up scale-wise / next to other figures? Is the build quality good?


He's a collection showpiece, and good fun. Not two traits that usually coincide. I spent a good month after completing the set just reconfiguring the lot in the various modes (though that has now stopped as the shelf that they're on is too crammed to leave them in anything other than the combined mode).

What figures do you want pictures of him with?

numbat
2015-01-25, 09:00 AM
What figures do you want pictures of him with?
If just one, it would be good to see him next to the Classics Seeker mould. MP Prime would be another good comparison if you have him to hand. Thanks!

Also how big are the individual Predacons?

I've always loved Predaking's combined mode but had originally discounted Feral Rex due to cost. Given how great MMC Hexatron is, and how few official Transformers appeal this year (really don't like the Combiner Wars aesthetic), I'm giving it some serious consideration.

Clay
2015-01-25, 07:04 PM
If just one, it would be good to see him next to the Classics Seeker mould. MP Prime would be another good comparison if you have him to hand. Thanks!

Also how big are the individual Predacons?

I've always loved Predaking's combined mode but had originally discounted Feral Rex due to cost. Given how great MMC Hexatron is, and how few official Transformers appeal this year (really don't like the Combiner Wars aesthetic), I'm giving it some serious consideration.

I would say that the four limbs are Voyager sized (with Tantrum and Headstrong being slightly bigger than Divebomb and Rampage) and Razorclaw is Ultra sized, but as the figures in those size classes gradually shrink, it's a slippery comparison. They're all big and heavy, if that helps. I'll echo what Knightdramon said. Get the one you like the best and see what you think. If you decide to pass, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it a home. If you do decide to pursue them, I'd say take your time... the production runs aren't going to evaporate any time soon.

Common complaint about the combined mode is the difficulty in posing it, but I attribute that to the user instead of the figure. If you understand the concept of center of mass, you'll be fine.

I know I posted a bunch of pictures in this thread back when I first completed the set, so scroll back and see if any of those help. :)


http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5506.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5506.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5505.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5505.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5503.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5503.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5502.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5502.jpg.html)

numbat
2015-01-25, 07:19 PM
Thanks Clay. He looks perfect next to the Seekers and that photo next to Omega Supreme totally sold it. I'll need to consider carefully and could be vetoed by my wife, but I'm certainly gonna look into getting him in earnest.

I've read about poseability complaints but figured it's people who struggle with centre of gravity as you say, or simply unrealistic expectations. The photos I've seen show a range of poses beyond what I would hope for for a combiner, let alone at that scale.

I am missing a birthday present from last year and Christmas the year before. Wonder if my wife would 'buy' that...

:)

Clay
2015-01-25, 07:35 PM
Yeah, I looked back at the pictures earlier in the thread and found him doing a Flying Crane, so I'd say he's pretty stable. The range of motion in the wings provides great counterbalance for most of the poses I tried.

Good luck on the tough sell to the wife!

Anyway, I was fiddling around with Genesis a few weeks ago, getting him to hold things. I thought I had posted the pictures, but after looking back through the thread for the Feral Rex pictures, I guess not!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5486.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5486.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5493.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5493.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5494.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5494.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5495.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5495.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5496.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5496.jpg.html)

numbat
2015-01-26, 02:09 PM
Seems like it might all be academic anyway. Can't find anywhere that still stocks the lot...

Denyer
2015-01-26, 06:19 PM
**** knows what they'll go for, but there's someone (private seller) in the UK selling four of the five as normal auctions at the moment;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/vinceviper81/m.html

Overseas, some reasonable prices left in China;

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=goldenomegaprime101&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X%28mmc%2Cmastermind%29&_nkw=%28mmc%2Cmastermind%29&_sacat=0

Bovis is likely to be a bit trickier to pin down, at a guess. If they were produced in roughly equal numbers there'll probably be a lot of people such as myself who bought as a standalone or started with the intention of getting the set and didn't follow through.

Knightdramon
2015-01-26, 11:52 PM
Nah, you'll have to go for them separately.

My opinion? Spread them out. I've had Talon and just Talon since August and he's a blast individually. They each have so much personality that it'd be a true bummer to get them all at once and rush through to combine them.

As far as I can tell, Masterforce is the only UK retailer at the moment with a [single] Leo Dux [loose, complete], Tigris is around in abundance, Fortis [the rhino] is still in stock at KAPOW, Felisabre sticks around [not even in stock yet], and Talon alongside Bovis are MIA, but can be sourced from abroad.

Plus, as people [like me and Denyer] only got some from the set, if you get a couple and you don't really fancy them, they'd be somewhat easier to sell off than as a lot for 350+ pounds.

:up:

Denyer
2015-01-30, 08:27 PM
Just ordered: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/1017942-buyer-beware-high-quality-ko-tf-toys-hercules.html

Not bad. Can't judge by the original 3P figure(s) but it holds together better as Devastator than the original Constructicons and if you mainly want something for the back row of a display it's a good deal at twenty quid plus about the same for shipping.

Got this, the not-not-Throttlebot and a WST Rodimus KO from hzj401 on eBay BTW.

Seller's pic...

http://i.imgur.com/wwtJMuj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wwtJMuj.jpg

Denyer
2015-02-02, 11:21 PM
"Toy" colours Soar is beautiful -- interesting to see how paint apps have progressed since Scoria was released. Very sensibly doesn't paint the main structure of the head, though. Best of the three moulds they've released in terms of finish.

Knightdramon
2015-02-03, 12:00 AM
I'm sooooo back and forth on these dinobots it's not even funny. Doesn't help that 90 percent of the Soar reviews state how overtightened everything is, and that the ratchet joints squeak instead of ratchet :down:

Denyer
2015-02-03, 12:11 AM
Fingers on one hand seem a little tight on this one, but you've got to be careful with individually jointed fingers on any figure. And it's partly because I'm using other weapons (sword and gun from MP Grimlock) so I've wrapped the handles in tape to extend them. Grimlock's got a bigger gun...

If any of the joints seem too tight, the screws should loosen.

Clay
2015-02-14, 04:31 AM
He's a collection showpiece, and good fun. Not two traits that usually coincide.

To clarify, I regard not-fun showpieces as this sort of thing (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=POS10002&mode=retail), which are wonderful and lovely but don't have any sort "sit down and fiddle with it" value.

Knightdramon
2015-02-28, 09:40 AM
Got my FT Soar today...

Hmmm. Kind of hard to like a toy that has arrived pre-broken in box. The red thigh piece had snapped off before I took it out and was missing.

Bit sore about this as I was going back and forth for a good while to buying this, and ended up looking forward to it.

Let's see if Kapow can pull through with a refund or an exchange. At this point I wouldn't say no to a full refund and just be done with it. :down:

Denyer
2015-02-28, 05:05 PM
Sorry to hear. Don't know how much you've used UK consumer legislation, but bear in mind it's the retailer's responsibility to sort and they're liable for the return postage on a defective item under the Sale of Goods Act. If you need any help with that, let me know. The legal stuff's pretty clear cut, but some genuinely don't know it and get muddled with Distance Selling / Consumer Contracts regs.

I've had one instance with a missing rather than broken part with Alan at Omegalock, and was happy to wait for the manufacturer to send a part to be forwarded, but that didn't require any fixing other than clipping it on.

Knightdramon
2015-02-28, 06:26 PM
Hmmm, Kapow have not replied on my emails yet they are active on FB today. Possible different "departments".

Hoping that they will reply soon/Monday on it. Their website states some firm rules but I think these are for things you've broken yourself/have got a single paint chip on and you want to return them.

I'm so and so on him, he's grown on me a bit but he'd be muuuuch higher on my list if he wasn't pre-broken. Still unsure if I'd accept a return and refund or an exchange. I think that for an exchange I'd need an entirely new leg altogether... :down:

Meh, bad Saturday.

Denyer
2015-02-28, 06:37 PM
They can't disclaim statutory rights. On the other hand, all retailers get a lot of people trying it on, so the T&Cs look fairly standard.

Doesn't sound like something you should be trying to fix yourself* even if they follow the fairly common approach of using one stock item to cannibalise parts from -- post whatever photo you've sent them?

*Although TBH I'd still be going for that if it's an option, can rarely be arsed messing around with post office returns.

Knightdramon
2015-02-28, 09:42 PM
Unfortunately that specific tab is made that way so you pretty much have to either take everything apart and try to pry in an equally small and fragile piece or just swap the entire leg.

What're the chances I can just return this, get my full refund and call this a day? :down:

Denyer
2015-02-28, 10:17 PM
I think he's worth the price I paid, which was whatever Omegalock had them at, and maybe a bit of hassle afterwards... but if you're talking yourself out of it, might be best to go for refund.

Essentially they have to supply what you've ordered, so there's two routes -- return as defective for a replacement, in which case they're liable for return postage, or return under CCR within 14 days of receipt of goods for a refund, in which case you are. Either way, would use a tracked service.

edit: Obviously, you could do both -- return on their dollar for replacement, then deal with the replacement under CCR. They may be willing to skip the latter step as it's only costing them more.

numbat
2015-03-01, 10:54 AM
I'm very impressed by MMC Divebomb (Talon), which I have acquired thanks to Knightdramon.

Terminus Hexatron Continuum has become my favourite all-round Transformer, in terms of displayablity and playability, so I was willing to give the awesome looking Feralcons a go.

Divebomb is not my favourite Predacon, but it was a good opportunity to give the MMC versions a look-in (given my favourite is Tantrum, and Bovis seems a bit hard to come by just now).

I am thoroughly impressed by the poseability of Talon, and his ability to balance in dynamic poses even with those giant wings outstretched and angled backwards. The transformation is efficient and satisfying too, making him fun to fiddle with in much the same way as Hexatron.

The only comment - and it's not a complaint - is that the feet are a bit weird, attaching far back on a deep leg which is the only real limiting factor in poseability.

And Talon is now definitely Divebomb, with a Decepticon insignia on his chest in that convenient depression clearly made for it.

On the back of Talon, I've ordered Tigris and Felisaber (I did love Catilla when I was a kid), and am trying to track down the other MMC Feralcons.

I know there are various add-ons for MMC Feral Rex as well - are any of these wortwhile (getting ahead of myself, I know, but worth pondering over time...).

Knightdramon
2015-03-01, 12:30 PM
My only issue with Talon [or, insert any feralcon] is that they are great toys but you need to have them all to appreciate them fully. Hexatron is a great standalone complete piece, whereas they are good standalone pieces, but you need them all one way or another.

[PS: This comes from the guy who owns a ROTF Buster Prime since...2009 is it? When he first came out, and NEVER, ever attempted to get a Jetfire to combine them :lol: ]

I'd advise caution on Tigris's guns that attach on the back of his robot shoulders, as the holes are a bit small for the handles and some people reported fractures there.

And the other thing, but I've already "warned" you on that, is that all three of them share some parts and engineering ;)

I don't think the add ons are worthwhile for this figure, to be honest. The Feralcons themselves [Felisabre and Tigris] come with add ons, some Feral Rex claw add ons I've seen needed to be removed for transformation, and Rex looks killer even without any of them. Just my take though.

Speaking of MMC---where.the.f*ck.is. the Nova Prime they initially showcased in August 2013? I will pre-order the sh!t out of that thing on first viewing, no questions asked, but this is an itch that has not been satisfied for a loooong time...

numbat
2015-03-01, 12:53 PM
Yeah, I realise the Feralcons all share components with each other. I have no problem with this if it works, and it does look like it does. In fact, it can have the added benefit of making them look like they are part of a whole / team. Which makes sense, I think, given the circumstances... (They are one of the few combiner teams that look like a team alongside their buddies, the Constructicons.)

But I get where you're coming from - my goal is a Predaking. As much as I enjoy the individual Predacons' designs, the combined mode was always the real seller (I have been this close to buying the G1 or reissue versions many times... Alongside Fortress Maximus the only G1 figures I ever contemplate buying, but in the end the blocky nature always discourages me). After all, it's the coolest looking of all of the gestalts ever, and he didn't seem to suffer so badly from extreme idiocy and sluggishness compared to the others...

That said, Devastator is my favourite gestalt and if anyone ever makes a good looking high quality G1-inspired version where the individual Constructicons actually look right, I'm sold. (Shame HasTak totally ballsed up their Combiner Wars version...)

I just came across the various add-ons while researching and tying to track down team members, so I thought I'd canvas opinion. From what I've seen of Feral Rex I'd tend to agree with you Knightdramon - he does look so awesome and high quality that I really was surprised there were any add-ons. If the claws need removed for transformation, that's an instant fail for me. The shiny wings look ok, but I'm blown away by the ones on Talon anyway - I don't know if it makes more of a difference in Feral Rex mode?

Speaking of MMC---where.the.f*ck.is. the Nova Prime they initially showcased in August 2013? I will pre-order the sh!t out of that thing on first viewing, no questions asked, but this is an itch that has not been satisfied for a loooong time...

More to the point, where the Hell is MMC Carnifex (not-Overlord), announced in 2013 also? He's one of the handful of remaining characters I really want to complete my collection and I'm clearly very impatient... :swirly:

[PS: This comes from the guy who owns a ROTF Buster Prime since...2009 is it? When he first came out, and NEVER, ever attempted to get a Jetfire to combine them :lol: ]
I'm not really surprised. I had ROTF Leader Prime (standard version) and ROTF Leader Jetfire in the past, and I must say the combined mode was the only good point of Jetfire - but it was not enough to counterbalance how awful he was so I sold him anyway. I tracked down a Buster Prime last year after a lot of effort, and by chance the only affordable one with a faceplate was the DOTM Buster Prime & Jetfire two-pack. Jetfire looks nicer with his premium paintjob but he's still terrible, and I've not even got round to combining them nearly 12 months after buying. Buster Prime was the goal, and I am extremely pleased with him. I'd be happy to sell Jetfire if someone were interested... (Maybe I'll have a go at combining and see how good that looks though... Although the combined mode may be imposing, and quote cool, it is still quite a mess indeed!)

Clay
2015-03-01, 01:50 PM
I just came across the various add-ons while researching and tying to track down team members, so I thought I'd canvas opinion. From what I've seen of Feral Rex I'd tend to agree with you Knightdramon - he does look so awesome and high quality that I really was surprised there were any add-ons.

The add-ons exist because other companies want money too, not because Feral Rex needs them. All of the add-ons I've seen for him look rather pointless in the way of making him different, not better. As Knightdramon said, Tigris and Felisabre already come with some additional parts to address the most common complaints (some forearm fillers for the other three limb guys, some extra weapons), but I didn't think even those were really warranted.

What about Devastator? I have Hercules and Green Giant both now, and an add-on kit for the original set that makes it more poseable. What do you want to know?

numbat
2015-03-02, 09:38 AM
Thanks Clay.

I don't know if there's anything I want to know about either of the third party Devastators. Of the two I think I prefer Green Giant, but the individual robot modes for the teams don't look like they do a great job of resembling their G1 inspirations - but I could be wrong?

In any case, I think I'll focus on one giant expensive third party gestalt at a time...

:)

Clay
2015-03-02, 08:52 PM
Our own Paul has a pretty good gallery and review of Green Giant, (https://sites.google.com/site/pttfcollection/3rd_party/giant) and is ultimately what convinced me to double-dip.

If you're big on the individuals resembling their G1 counterparts, both sets do more-or-less okay with the exception of Long Haul for both. It's a bit of a design conundrum, and one that not even the Hasbro version (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:CombinerWarsLongHaul.jpg) offers a good solution for. The problem is that Long Haul's legs are supposed to be made of the dump bed, and the dump bed is supposed to make Devastator's lower back. However, since Devastator's thighs were originally a completely separate piece, any new version that doesn't use spare parts has to find new legs somewhere. All three so far (Hercules, Giant, and Generations Devastator) have the upper legs formed from Long Haul, but that ****s with what Long Haul is supposed to look like as an individual robot.

Another solution would be to add a seventh member or simply have an extra piece form the waist and thighs, but that's somewhat antithetical to the idea of a revised combiner that doesn't use spare parts. So I'm not sure that you can get a Devastator that's made out accurate Constructicons (at least in Long Haul's case).

Each set has its positives and negatives. I like Giant's collapsing crane arm and the general "updated" look of the individuals, but I also love Hercules' IDW tractor-tread forearms and general simplicity. But the Generations Devastator is the only one that has Bonecrusher's chest made from the bulldozer blade.

If none of those options appeal, the original set is available as an Encore release are really rather nice in their own right.

Maybe that was helpful?

numbat
2015-03-05, 10:31 AM
Yeah, I can see why the individual Constructicon robot forms can't match the originals perfectly in order to deliver a complete and unified Devastator without recourse to additional parts. I don't have an issue with that exactly.

I dunno, I would just like their heads to look like the G1 ones. That said I was having a closer look and perhaps they do resemble the G1 toy heads?

Denyer
2015-03-09, 09:40 PM
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Knightdramon
2015-03-09, 10:21 PM
Something a tad odd going on, that's for sure...raised a few eyebrows on tfw2005 as well. :lol:

But hey, free Apolyon* :swirly:

Denyer
2015-03-12, 09:21 PM
Not answering direct questions at the moment. Got a couple of pre-orders outstanding that will hopefully be fulfilled post-CNY before HMRC come down like a ton of bricks if there's anything dodgy going on, but looking for another UK retailer carrying Omnigonix if you spot one.

Knightdramon
2015-03-12, 09:48 PM
Not answering direct questions at the moment. Got a couple of pre-orders outstanding that will hopefully be fulfilled post-CNY before HMRC come down like a ton of bricks if there's anything dodgy going on, but looking for another UK retailer carrying Omnigonix if you spot one.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Will keep an eye out if any come in. Best bet is Masterforce, and maybe Sid for new-ish 3rd party companies.

numbat
2015-03-17, 11:37 AM
I've managed to track down all of Mastermind Creations Feralcons except Fortis now. So, shamelessly plugging, if anyone comes across a Fortis or is offloading one please let me know so Feral Rex can form in my house!

:)

The real reason I was posting though was a question: is there some way to connect the weird axe/gun thing that forms from Leo Dux's lion tail and chest in robot mode - perhaps to his arm as a gun? I haven't worked it out yet, but I hate random spare parts... That said, I do think Leo Dux (not-Razorclaw) is the weakest of the set anyway... (Not that that's bad - the standard of the Feralcons is extremely high!)

Clay
2015-03-30, 09:45 AM
Here you go:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_20150329_153344.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_20150329_153344.jpg.html)

numbat
2015-03-30, 12:12 PM
Thanks Clay! Applied to Leo Dux on my desk, and it pleases me greatly that all of the parts of his alternate mode can now be stored in robot mode.

Clay
2015-03-30, 12:46 PM
Yep! I do wish the chest pieces stored a little more snuggly, but the tail pieces definitely have notches that connect to the cannons like that. Although, if you have Leo Dux hold his big axes, you can just put the chest pieces at the ends (in the same way that they form the big sword). But that, too, is a little clunky. But that's a minor complaint. The fact that a combiner-sized sword can disassemble into weapons for the smaller robots (and actually all look like weapons!) makes the compromise worth it for me.

numbat
2015-03-30, 04:30 PM
I think any combiner teams necessitate compromise. So far, I'd say the Feralcons have the least compromise though, compared with any others I've seen. And if the main compromise is in the weapons (which is still very minor!), seriously, they've done a bloody amazing job!

Can't wait to track down an affordable Fortis to complete Feral Rex, but I'm loving these guys as individuals just now anyway.

Thanks for convincing me to go for them - it's a big financial commitment, and probably the majority of Transformers spending for me this year, but you do get excellent value for money with these guys. Way better than the equivalent three or four Hasbro Combiner Wars teams you could assemble for the same price. I thought they'd fit with Classics/Generations style figures, but they're at home with Masterpiece.

Denyer
2015-04-12, 06:21 PM
If anyone's still after a briefcase for the Hastak Brainstorm...

http://www.shapeways.com/product/6S2QWBEAJ/briefcase-for-voyager-brainstorm

http://i.imgur.com/TBo0Pi5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TBo0Pi5.jpg

inflatable dalek
2015-04-12, 06:25 PM
I wonder how long it'll be before someone does an "Evil" head with the removable faceplate?

Clay
2015-04-13, 11:28 PM
Finally uploaded some pictures from the actual camera...

Now, to continue a train of thought I had a month ago, a third option for third party G1 Devastators is easily the most elegantly simple: an articulation kit for G1 Devastator. Mine is the most reasonably priced version, a kit coming from Junkion Blacksmith**. Cost was around $30 and includes an extra head and purple mixing drum for the cartoon look, but I like the toy-style head more.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5525.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5525.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5526.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5526.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5527.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5527.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5528.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5528.jpg.html)

Basically, it's an accessory set that gives Devastator an actual waist and upper legs along with some articulated lower arms and a new head. Works great, and Scrapper has great stability. It was trickier to get Mixmaster balanced, but I managed.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5530.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5530.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5531.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5531.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5532.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5532.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5533.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5533.jpg.html)

Oddly enough, Devastator is great at dynamic poses but is absolutely terrible at static poses. Even with the original parts, Devastator is a bit heavy toward the back, but the kit exaggerates the effect.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5536.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5536.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5537.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5537.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5538.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5538.jpg.html)

It really should have had a couple of pieces to clip into the feet to make them longer in the back. Nothing fancy, just something to keep it balanced. Buy why pose Devastator standing straight when he can be stepping on things?

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5529.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5529.jpg.html)

But the best thing about the kit is that it works with the original Constructicons. The argument that they don't look like themselves falls flat.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5534.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5534.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5535.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5535.jpg.html)

So here's the big green shelf at the moment:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/th_IMG_5539.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5539.jpg.html)

**CrazyDevy also make add-on parts, but charge $40 for their versions of each individual item pictured above!??!?!

Denyer
2015-04-14, 07:18 PM
Works really well.

Must take an updated Wreckers shot soonish, have added Revolver and Turbo Ejector.

Not entirely sold on Cubrar. The Hero Mashers Slug I'd put with a mix and match set of voyager 3P dinos as a joke actually displays better, particularly with original Classics Grimlock in there as well with the rage of Hercules kit gun. They've got a ragtag A-Team vibe to them. Cubrar's just too damn big compared with the rest, even compared with Columpio. Even though I do actually like the semi-Animated look for variety.

Clay
2015-04-15, 12:47 PM
Now for some Feral Rex super mode pictures!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/IMG_5549.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5549.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/IMG_5550.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5550.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/IMG_5551.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5551.jpg.html)

He's very heavy, but still balances okay. He has more weight to finagle, but the wings as counter balance are still the key.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/IMG_5552.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5552.jpg.html)http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f303/claywyatt1982/IMG_5554.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/claywyatt1982/media/IMG_5554.jpg.html)

I also like how, by sheer chance, MMC stumbled into the Combiner Wars theme of having more members than it actually takes to make the combined mode. This frees up Talon.

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Ultimately, I still prefer the five original Predacons to compose Feral Rex with FeliSabre just being a separate member. He fits better on the shelf that way, too.

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Denyer
2015-04-18, 05:40 PM
Must take an updated Wreckers shot soonish, have added Revolver and Turbo Ejector.

One rubbish tablet pic coming right up...

http://i.imgur.com/3hOGKE2.jpg

numbat
2015-04-19, 09:53 AM
I finally got round to putting Mastermind Creations Feral Rex Ultimate Mode together yesterday.

I bought Felisabre/Catilla as a stand-alone, and wasn't too into the idea of him being part of Feral Rex/Predaking - although I did like the concept that he was once a Predacon.

I have to say, though, the combined mode looks really good with Felisabre as an arm - it balances the colours out very nicely! I also like that the battle mask covers the sabretooth tiger head, and so also the Autobot insignia I added, leaving only Decepticon insignias on show.

I am quite amazed at the stability even with this massive combined mode - with care and patience you can still pose him brilliantly. I'm getting the hang of which joints to use as load-bearing now too, which is making a big difference to poseability. I've not had to add the friction pads either - he stands fine.

In fact, Feral Rex survived an an encounter with my one year old son today quite happily!

I can't say how impressed I am with Feral Rex - he could well be the best 'Transformer' ever.

:clap:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC8gYozW4AQlp2K.jpg:large

Knightdramon
2015-04-19, 10:15 AM
Had a chance to fiddle with MMC's Cynicus [Vos] yesterday.

Sister was lucky enough to get him from PSX on release at the low price.

Not many things wrong with him, very small and can be quite fiddly. Extremely articulated, which could be an issue later on as his entire torso and surrounding limb joints are mostly ball joints.

Did not have a chance to attempt gun mode, but looked finicky. He basically turns inside out.

I am sorry my resolve had weakened for MMC :lol:
Will need to start playing catch up and investing on their figures again.

Clay
2015-04-19, 01:09 PM
I can't say how impressed I am with Feral Rex - he could well be the best 'Transformer' ever.

:clap:



I'm an enabler!

One rubbish tablet pic coming right up...

Oooh, neat. Who's between G2 Sideswipe and Sandstorm?

Denyer
2015-04-19, 04:25 PM
Rack'n'Ruin -- FP Riftshot and Recoiler with the L/R arms partly disassembled and joined by a couple of twist ties in the middle. Probably my favourite "this exists" 3P thing.

http://i.imgur.com/UIGJo8F.jpg

Must get around to getting some cloth to drape over the sponges. They make good adjustable risers.

Knightdramon
2015-05-13, 08:27 PM
Got two figs after a long drought period...

MMC Cynicus: Takes a while to get used to. Just throw the instructions away. Useless. Wonderful robot mode with tabs for everything. Gun mode has tabs too to lock all parts. Instruction booklet of course misses half of them both ways.

Handle for Feral Rex can be integrated in both modes, but for robot mode it will not sit on the backpack unless you unclip at least one part and make it wobblier than needed. Impressed so far, looking forward to Kaon.

MMC Salvia Prominion: Won't lie, got this because because she compliments the upcoming Nova Prime. Out of all the Arcee repaints, this one gives you the most bang for your buck. Has all Arcee weapons plus her hammer. Many painted surfaces all over. Unique masked headsculpt.

Transformation is not as hard as everybody has made you believe, but it has its moments. I found that getting the head through that waist flap at the back to be very easy, but getting the legs and arms properly pegged and aligned was a bitch the first time. Everything, and I mean everything, swivels and rotates and does something, so you are unsure if you are untabbing something you need or doing something else altogether.

Mixed feelings for both so far, but they are solid figures.

Notabot
2015-05-13, 09:05 PM
I have to ask (and not in an accusing way), but if you had paid $20 for them, would you be more disappointed? I know that when I pay big money for something, I'm a lot more likely to force myself to like it. I think a number of 3rd party toys wouldn't get such good reviews except that people have paid so much for them, they need to like them at least a little.

Knightdramon
2015-05-13, 09:50 PM
I probably would be, yes. Or maybe not. Don't know.

They have good points and bad points [a bit fiddly for their size, and some tabs etc are scary considering how small but robust they are], and at the price I paid I'd rather have them be more meaningful, yes.

3P toys are an oddity. Most of the folk that do previews get them for free and basically give good reviews [I don't care what people say, but I have seen literally CRAP review samples that fall apart on camera get good reviews---see apollyon for instance] to maintain a link to the company, and the people that get them feel that they need to justify the cost as you say.

Living on my own for the past couple of years has made me try harder and harder to justify the prices on some figures. [Example] MP Magnus cost me 88 pounds retail, plus shipping. TT releases a figure like that almost annually. I can justify such a price as a one off because it is a huge, honking figure, etc etc.

If I had gotten Vos from the UK he'd cost 70 pounds. And he reaches to about Magnus' kneecap, and probably weighs less than that. So yes, sooner rather than later there will be a point where I'll just realize I have all the figures that I actually want, and there's better things to spend 80-100 pounds+ on a monthly basis :lol:

Thunderwave
2015-05-14, 02:46 AM
I have to ask (and not in an accusing way), but if you had paid $20 for them, would you be more disappointed? I know that when I pay big money for something, I'm a lot more likely to force myself to like it. I think a number of 3rd party toys wouldn't get such good reviews except that people have paid so much for them, they need to like them at least a little.

I'm always leery of pulling the trigger on 3P releases because of that, especially if it's a company that I own nothing from. Online review videos are only a little help, especially with some companies sending out test shots. A lot of 3P figures seem waaaaaaay too fiddly (like that new Warpath that's coming out). Seeing as I have at least two other expensive hobbies I need to be sure I really want something before I pull the trigger on it. Also doesn't help the figures I would buy either look like poo (I'm looking at you 3P Defensor) or probably won't be done for some time if ever.

That said I'm really looking forward to the other Iron Factory releases that are coming out. I picked up their Six-Shot and Slammer a while back and they are coming out with a Legends scale Ultra Magnus, Blaster, Ramhorn, and Steeljaw.

Knightdramon
2015-05-14, 08:56 PM
Been thinking about this since last night and Notabot's well-placed query.

And an oddly well-phrased and well-discussed [so far] thread at tfw2005.

What is it with a lot of folks' passive response against various QC issues with 3rd party toys, mass in relation to price [although that is one of the most justifiable aspects], and general easy attitude towards the figures, -especially- once we have been socially primed by the oh so wonderful and sadly rarely objective "test shot reviews" so far?

To illustrate this I will include two well-known samples. One is the recent Apollyon figure, and the other is the equally recent Not Onslaught Warbotron figure [Fierce Attack? That one].

Apollyon: Test shots sent out to a variety of well known and not so well known reviewers, not exclusively to people doing video reviews. If I recall correctly, the first review was a text and pics review of an actual black and white prototype?

Audience was more or less "primed" in advance. Peaugh's review had a broken part right off the bat [admittedly due to his fault], with him mentioning various times that he broke it by accident, and so on. The figure he handled was wobbly, yet he kept saying how stable and solid everything feels. If I recall correctly he was widely criticized about his rather "oh no worries, it's super stable despite what you see" stance for both the Apollyon and the Badcube Warpath reviews.

Apollyon figure is relatively well received, even though there are issues with the ball joints on the shoulders, some parts not being very secure/stable [something on the legs?] and X-transbots coming out and giving instructions on what to fix/how to fix it yourselves.

People made all sorts of excuses to make up for the fact that [in my opinion, as a consumer] they got a lacking product.

Exhibit two--Fierce Attack: Strangely enough, the first two reviews were not by any big names, but rather two unknown fans who actually got their production copies earlier than others. Neither review was pleasing to watch as both guys had issues with their figures, either too stiff joints, parts snapping on very easily---both guys, as far as I know, fully paid for their figures and were also trying to make excuses, but far less flimsy than the "big" reviews do.

Fierce Attack is not well-received by the fandom, and even some retailers publicly questioned the "DIY" fix methods from Warbotron, and some folks willingness to go on with them.

Is this some sort of cause and effect situation? I happen to find the number of "test shot" reviews by a specific bunch of reviewers to be the same overall, despite the figure in question---they all sing praises [for the unapologetic free copy], and any issues outright are always hushed away as a "this is a test shot, these issues are worked on by the company", sometimes even as a disclaimer in the first minute of the review!

The sad truth is that every single 3P product I've bought since last August has had an effect of buyers remorse from me, either immediate or in the long term. Am I finding it harder to justify the cost to result/product ratio, or am I actually upset over any attempts to justify their worth when I don't feel good about the expensive items I've gotten?

Feel free to discuss, hopefully meaningful and lengthy discussion will come from this. It's been a long and tiring day, apologies for the rambling...

Skyquake87
2015-05-14, 09:24 PM
Hmm. Some quick thoughts. I've wondered about this too as Thew (my favourite vid-reviewer) has had a few 3P reviews of late that are of the 'advance copy' nature and I've taken those with a MASSIVE pinch of salt. I think I'd probably a bit full of 'squee' if I got a £200 toy for free and I can see how objectivity goes out of the window in these circumstances.

I suppose the problem with all this 3P stuff is that its a cottage industry. These are small companies that don't go through and don't have to go through the same sort of rigourous test phases that Hasbro / Takara and other 'proper' companies have to. It would be nice to think the test copies are sent out for people to feedback any flaws and general comments before the thing goes on release, but thats not the case.

In some ways, they're the victims of their own success - by releasing grey prototype images and/ or test shots / digi-bash stuff they instantly create a demand for the latest hot MP inspired whatever and have to get the product out quick sharp before a) someone else does or b) an official (HasTak) release comes out and makes your product redundant.

Clay
2015-05-15, 12:34 AM
Hmm.

Let me percolate on this.

Ryan F
2015-05-15, 12:56 PM
I think it works both ways - while some people feel they have to justify every purchase, there are others who go ape over the slightest flaw (as in, 'I just spent loads of money on this so if it's not 100% perfect I will get stroppy'). Most threads on TFW are full of extremes - 'This is great!' 'This is a POS!' with no sane middle ground. And that's not just the 3P threads, it's every single news or opinion thread. I think there must be something about Transformers fans that we are so polarised in this way; everything is black or white with no middle ground.

I think with most video reviews you have to take them with a pinch of salt or with the sound turned off - just look at the demonstration of the figure and make your own mind up whether or not it's for you.

I've bought a lot of 3P but the worst figure I have ever owned was the 1st-run MP Rodimus from Takara. Spend a heap on that from Xybertoys (remember them?) and it was a QC disaster.

Unicron
2015-05-15, 02:02 PM
I think there must be something about Transformers fans that we are so polarised in this way; everything is black or white with no middle ground.

At the risk of this taking a political turn, it's not specific to TF fans. I see it in the coverage of politics and most other things here in America, and I see it here on the internet with a variety of subjects. Way too many things are becoming polarized these days, especially opinions on people. It's getting to the point where if someone doesn't agree 100% on a given issue, they're Satan.
I think it's a side effect of the internet bringing people together: It's way too easy to find people who share almost all of your views while also being able to ignore or actively block those who disagree or even take the middle ground. Causes people to take the black and white view on things.

Back to the subject at hand, there hasn't been a 3rd party figure that looks great enough for me to justify the cost on. At least just from pictures or random reviews. Given the pricing, size, etc., I'd really need to get my hands on the figure and see what it's really like before that kind of money. Ending up with a subpar Deluxe or even Voyager at retail cost, that I can handle (Universe Galvatron for example. I know it's not a great figure, but I can live with it). A subpar figure of the same size at 3rd party cost, I'd either be pissed or glossing over the flaws to convince myself it's worth the price.

inflatable dalek
2015-05-15, 05:36 PM
I think I've been lucky with my few third party purchases, out of five four have been very good fun toys. It's just those bloody awful Animated style Mario and Luigi Auto Assembly exclusives that let the side down.

Knightdramon
2015-05-15, 06:05 PM
It also helps that so far each company, regardless of overlap in releases of the same characters, offers a very specific style. So on the safe side, you should technically know what you're getting in terms of style and build.

I guess that [as I've stated numerous times so far, bear with me] I am "growing out" of the toy/figure phase. Seeing as I only get one figure every 2 or so months, and the fact that I have limited space in a small flat, means that every single thing I buy has to grab me 100% almost on day one.

The last figure I got that grabbed me 100% like that was MP Magnus. FT Soar came close [I like him NOW, but my first one was broken inside the box!], which swayed my mind on Toy Scoria I have on pre-order.

As buying figures is no longer a norm but a "treat" for me, the end result must feel like it's worth it. And then cue discussion overhead on costs/advertising of figures etc etc :up:

Thunderwave
2015-05-15, 06:34 PM
At the risk of this taking a political turn, it's not specific to TF fans. I see it in the coverage of politics and most other things here in America, and I see it here on the internet with a variety of subjects. Way too many things are becoming polarized these days, especially opinions on people. It's getting to the point where if someone doesn't agree 100% on a given issue, they're Satan.
I think it's a side effect of the internet bringing people together: It's way too easy to find people who share almost all of your views while also being able to ignore or actively block those who disagree or even take the middle ground. Causes people to take the black and white view on things.

It's called an "echo chamber" and is related to and tied to selective exposure theory. Basically people like to find others that agree with them, which the internet makes easy these days, and then only choose to interact with the people that agree with them, thus reinforcing ideas and bias, even ones that are blatantly false or flawed. It's a thing that people have been aware of for some time and is currently rapidly getting out of hand.

That effect is part of why I'm -always- skeptical when a group of people tell me that something is awesome and you need to read/watch X. I like to try and form my own opinions on things.

Warcry
2015-05-15, 07:54 PM
As buying figures is no longer a norm but a "treat" for me, the end result must feel like it's worth it. And then cue discussion overhead on costs/advertising of figures etc etc :up:
That probably leads to some sampling bias too, if that's the right word. Since you're only buying toys that you think are going to be great, you end up in a situation where you only have great toys to compare your new purchases to. So even something that compares favourably to an average retail figure can wind up being a bit of a let-down if it's good, but not quite as good as the stuff you're surrounding it with.

I think that's why I was a little underwhelmed by Exhaust a few months back. He's really good and three years ago I probably would have been raving about him, but I also had to put a lot of my figures away in storage and only kept my absolute favourites out. And when the stuff I've got out on display consists of a few other MPs, Hexatron, my favourite dozen or so BW toys and a scattering of great retail releases from the last decade (like Generations Springer, FE Bulkhead, Battle Blade Bumblebee, etc.), I see him in a different light. He's still good, but he's not that good so by comparison he's a bit disappointing.

It's called an "echo chamber" and is related to and tied to selective exposure theory. Basically people like to find others that agree with them, which the internet makes easy these days, and then only choose to interact with the people that agree with them, thus reinforcing ideas and bias, even ones that are blatantly false or flawed. It's a thing that people have been aware of for some time and is currently rapidly getting out of hand.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that this is a problem! The internet is great for many things, but one thing it doesn't do a good job of is promoting discourse. There are so many people out there with strong opinions on just about anything that it's easy to find those who agree with you, so actual debate is no longer necessary. You can just congregate with other people who feel the same way you do, forming your own little ideological tribe that self-reinforces its beliefs while growing more and more vehemently opposed to anyone who thinks differently. Let that go to it's logical conclusion and you wind up with a million 4chan and Tumblr-like groups slinging blind hate at each other while continuously growing more extreme in their espoused views.

Denyer
2015-05-15, 07:59 PM
Not much into fiddling with them other than to display, but so far I haven't noticed many 3P things being ridiculously fragile.

It's a thing that people have been aware of for some time and is currently rapidly getting out of hand.
Is it more that there's been a spate of journalistic copy concluding that? There's more scope for dogpiling online, but anyone visiting meatspace on a regular basis is going to be reminded that not everyone likes bagpipes or has a fetish for amputee porn.

Thunderwave
2015-05-15, 08:37 PM
Is it more that there's been a spate of journalistic copy concluding that? There's more scope for dogpiling online, but anyone visiting meatspace on a regular basis is going to be reminded that not everyone likes bagpipes or has a fetish for amputee porn.

In the mid 1950's the cognitive dissonance theory was put out there, which is where humans seek to reduce the dissonance in their life. The tl:dr version, to my understanding, is that conflict sets up dissonance within people and makes them uncomfortable, so they seek out others with the same feelings/thoughts to achieve a form of peace. If everyone thinks like you, and talks like you, and believes like you there is no conflicting thoughts/ideas to make you uncomfortable or question. Cognitive dissonance theory laid out the groundwork for selective exposure theory which came along years later.

Inline with that, and going with your example, how many amputee porn fans do you know that are very vocal about it day to day? Not many. Speaking out in public about their fandom would create dissonance and make everyone uncomfortable, usually a socially unacceptable thing to do.

People have been using these ideas for about as long as there have been people. Religions and nations have used these ideas, without the modern wording, since before history.

...so one of my geeky hobbies MAY be learning as much as I can about how people think. >.>

Denyer
2015-05-15, 09:53 PM
Should've bolded rather than italicised the last bit, forget that's the default styling for quotes...

I'm sceptical it's accelerating. People may self-select more in their downtime and be helped along by Facebook, but by the same token it's more difficult for cults and dictatorships to tamp down on alternative points of view.

The barely-counts-as subtext of Wired bitching about the irresponsibility of social media algorithms or politicians/police hypothesising magical forms of encryption that only good guys can break or decrying the fact that citizens want some privacy back is a narrative about loss of control.

Unless our polarised person only gets reinforcement offline, which they're not if they don't feel free to raise a topic, there's a limit to how much of an echo chamber effect can develop. Successful cults set their sights on ritualising and dictating every waking moment of their believers' lives, and more-or-less pull it off.

inflatable dalek
2015-05-16, 04:44 AM
It's certainly not a new thing. I was reading a Gareth Roberts interview a few weeks ago where he was talking about excitedly signing up for the Doctor Who Appreciation Society in the wake of season 17 and being amazed that the club magazine and one meet he went to were full of people angry slagging off the show he loved for being too silly and not featuring enough continuity (as he says, "They got what they wanted, they got Arc of Infinity"), with him being treated by the elders as some abhorrent bastard child for daring to say "I quite like it".

Tetsuro
2015-05-16, 08:34 PM
So, uh, what's the cheapest place to get those replacement mitts for MP Ultra Magnus? And Star Saber too I guess...

Denyer
2015-05-16, 10:22 PM
http://tfs-express.com/kfc-toys/-194-kfc-toys-kp-08-posable-hands-for-mp-22-ultra-magnus.html?search_query=hands&results=4 ?

Just ask Alan about shipping. Probably won't be much.

Clay
2015-05-17, 06:49 PM
I have to ask (and not in an accusing way), but if you had paid $20 for them, would you be more disappointed? I know that when I pay big money for something, I'm a lot more likely to force myself to like it. I think a number of 3rd party toys wouldn't get such good reviews except that people have paid so much for them, they need to like them at least a little.

Early video and photo reviewers are not to be trusted, full stop. If they get the figure for free, are overwhelmed with NEW THING giddiness, and can't wait long enough to do the review to actually work with the figure first, positive bias is unavoidable and the review is kind of useless.

After the figure comes out, it's hyperbolic in both directions, I think. Either tiny flaws (that sometimes aren't even flaws) are magnified and lamented as the end of the world, or the thing snaps apart immediately but it's okay because it can be fixed.

It's more complicated than that, though. Sometimes these companies do churn out lemons only to include to replacement parts in subsequent releases (frequently with the combiners). It's not altruism but rather that they need to make good on their promise of product so that customers will buy potential future releases too. So some quality control problems can be overlooked because they are frequently ameliorated later on. Contrast this with Takara's approach to fixing Masterpiece Rodimus: "buy another one".

At the other end, you have people complaining about things that aren't real problems at all. Specifically I'm recalling Fierce Attack (Onslaught), to which one person posted on TFW a series of images documenting QC problems and included a picture of a joint that had a seam in it from where the two plates of the mold connect. I mean... really? Every piece of molded plastic has that. That's not to say that Fierce Attack is problem free, but it's hard to take people seriously when their complaints are that ridiculous.

And also you have a heterogeneous group of companies producing these things. Some of them seem to approach their offerings as a passion project unto themselves while some are clearly just chucking things out as quickly as they can. The former tend to have fewer of the QC problems that the latter have. But at the end of the day, they're in the same situation: none of their stuff is "legitimate", so they either need to race stuff out the door to avoid potential redundancy or take their time and offer something remarkable. Hasbro has the overwhelming advantage here by not just owning the brand but also have much more experience making these things and having the ability to take their time developing products as they don't have to worry about being... outclassed? Outdated? Redundant? Obsolete? Er, no matter how awful something is that they put out, it's still has the Transformers brand on it. Compare the Maketoys Green Giant and Fansproject Intimidator to the Combiner Wars Devastator and Menasor. The former are almost unarguably better, but they'll never be official products.

Denyer
2015-05-22, 11:54 PM
Well... I reckon the pricing on Wardog is fair. Everything guides and tabs into place neatly, the plastic is similar to the MMC Feralcons, and the transformation is intuitive if you work a section at a time. Kept the instructions out, but basically they're there to let you to know what order to work in, which pieces move and what the end result should look like. The solution for the torso and head layout works particularly well.

In short, it's not over-engineered. A lot of time, skill and love was clearly spent on getting this right, and being packaged in tank mode means each one will have been transformed so hopefully others should also have a good experience on the QC front.

I'm obviously somewhat biased by nostalgia -- Warpath was one of the first few TFs I got as a kid -- but the way this pays homage to the original toy right down to the position and shape of the gray panel on his back is great. Kudos to the developers.

Knightdramon
2015-05-24, 10:32 AM
Aaargh at my Vos/Cynicus

Mine had kind of loose joints on his waist/torso and legs, so I thought I'd dismantle him and polish him up with crazy glue.

Went a bit overhead on the waist joint, kind of fused in place, plastic stressed badly, spent the night soaked in hot water, stress marks not fully gone.

How can I further treat this? I don't like the fact that I had to open up and treat him twice, and in the process might even have damaged him!

I think I like Salvia the most out of the two of them. By far.

Denyer
2015-05-31, 09:32 PM
3P of a sort... sellers seem to be starting to clearance MP car bot repaint KOs; Tiger Track, Smokescreen and Red Alert currently $20 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=121501376649&hash=item1c4a0be089&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_ssn=wangshougang999&_sop=15

Knightdramon
2015-06-07, 08:54 PM
What did we say about what the quality of these KO's is? Might be tempted for Tigertrack [around 12 or so pounds posted?] but that's assuming he won't fall apart on my hands nor require baby hands to handle---how's the looseness/tightness on them?

Denyer
2015-06-08, 06:36 PM
Obviously KOs are a bit of a pot luck situation, but I haven't had a problem with the G2 Sideswipe I picked up (for labelling/custom purposes) or the Sideswipe I got via Tom or the Prowl I picked up later, both of which were for a friend. The G2 one was maybe fractionally looser.

I'm tempted to get a KO Smokescreen and Red Alert but probably wouldn't display them, and already have a blue Bluestreak ordered.

Thunderwave
2015-06-08, 10:54 PM
I've been tempted to snag one of the KO Fansproject City Commander sets kicking about. Anyone have any experience with them? I really don't feel like dropping the insane amount of cash people want for one these days.

Denyer
2015-06-08, 11:12 PM
I think these days you might be better going with CW Magnus, unless you already have a Classics Magnus to put the City Commander armour over. They're actually very close in size (leader class TFs have really shrunk...) and the CW one seems to display well with voyagers and larger deluxes judging by recent pics.

City Commander has dated but I still like it -- and it doesn't have huge pylon shoulders, which makes fitting it on a shelf easier. It's less a toy and more a loose collection of bits that just about holds together and displays nicely. How much of that is being a KO rather than original I couldn't say.

This may not be consistent but the KO set I've got has silver missiles rather than red.

Clay
2015-06-10, 02:59 AM
I've had Warbotron Dudicus for a month now and feel comfortable saying that I find it the least impressive of all the third party combiners I've assembled. So much of the design and production seems obviously rushed compared to the other sets I've got. My big complaint are the arm modes for Blast Off and Vortex: they just sort of have their robot arms dangling in space, no where to go. The final culmination has been kind of underwhelming.

However, they did a lot of things right. The combined mode is incredibly stable and the joints are solid, and I like that Onslaught isn't much bigger than the rest of the team by way of having the trailer make the lower torso. And I do like the wrap-around head. Plus they absolutely nailed Swindle.

So, yeah... it's a mixed bag. I intend to keep it, but I would probably skip it if I did it over again.

Knightdramon
2015-06-12, 07:09 PM
Got my replacement parts for MMC Vos on the post today.

Was able to give him a new spine and put the old one [with stress marks] aside. Definitely my least fave 3rd party figure in terms of build [mine has flimsy joints all over] but displays nicely as long as you just leave him alone.

The figure would get immensely better if it had a locking point for the waist plate that just swings around. :up:

Knightdramon
2015-06-14, 10:23 PM
First time since I got him in...Feb/March? I put on the golden chrome beak on my Red Soar.

Looks much better in robot mode. I think I stripped the bottom screw [closest to his beak] too much for me to effectively change it back.

Also tried doing a swap over to the wings---non-chromed ones did not look as nice, although their detail is nicely refined.

Anybody else attempt this change/has customized their Soar? I just did it so he looks closer to the others, which are to be released soon if rumours are to be believed :lol:

Denyer
2015-06-14, 11:27 PM
Not yet, but am planning to swap the wings. Will probably wait until more dinos arrive.

Ryan F
2015-06-16, 07:08 PM
Ryan's special comic Soar: red torso, light grey arms, gold beak and dino feet.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/starfish232/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgg8cg5r3.jpg

Knightdramon
2015-06-18, 08:04 PM
That appears to be some delicate surgery involving at least two 100+ GBP figures...or one figure and good painting/chroming skills :up:

The more I fiddle with him, the more I like my Soar. He's just...solid. Nothing fancy, no outrageous design cues, not trying to turn the world around by a transformation scheme. Just good, old-fashioned ratchets, proper die-cast heft, and good looks.

Only downside is that he and Scoria weigh more or less the same, but Soar's smaller, so when I get Scoria I'll kind of subconsciously expect more but get the same...:lol:

numbat
2015-06-18, 08:10 PM
I was wondering about picking up a third party Snarl, as he was my favourite Dinobot (and Stegosaurus my favourite dinosaur). I almost ordered a Gigapower Guttur, which looks awesome, then realised there were a gazillion other third party Snarls, and the upcoming Fanstoys Sever looks pretty cool as well. How the bejeezus do you decide with so many Dinobot options? I may well end up with none because I'm so confused and frustrated!

Denyer
2015-06-18, 09:02 PM
Mix-and-match works, IMO. Since you like larger MP stuff the FT ones probably fit best though (mine are separate, they don't scale with most of my collection.)

Also quite a lot of people seem to have had QC problems with Guttur. I wouldn't necessary rely on Gigapower releasing a full set. But as a standalone, it does look nice.

http://i.imgur.com/kwmyVvP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kwmyVvP.jpg

Knightdramon
2015-06-18, 09:05 PM
As far as I'm aware, gigapower's release has a few issues [or are they super exaggeration by fanboys?]. FT sever is just getting released this week as far as I know.

Mix n match approach also works :up:

Denyer
2015-06-18, 09:22 PM
Some of the complaints I've seen aren't from people who're prone to exaggeration, put it that way. Per Maz's pics, it's a nice design even if not in scale with anything. The potential issues have seen it heavily marked down, so it might be worth considering.

http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/gigapower-guttur-snarl.html

http://i.imgur.com/Eiy1tJ5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Eiy1tJ5.jpg

numbat
2015-06-19, 06:28 AM
Mix-and-match works, IMO. Since you like larger MP stuff the FT ones probably fit best though (mine are separate, they don't scale with most of my collection.)
I do like smaller stuff too, and have a lot of Classics/Generations, Movie lines and Prime. However, they don't display as well, and my wife tolerates high end stuff on show in the study, but not anything else (which she says look like Happy Meal toys...). So I have probably become more biased towards Masterpiece partly because I can have them out somewhere in the house to play with and appreciate easily!

Also quite a lot of people seem to have had QC problems with Guttur. I wouldn't necessary rely on Gigapower releasing a full set. But as a standalone, it does look nice.

As far as I'm aware, gigapower's release has a few issues [or are they super exaggeration by fanboys?]. FT sever is just getting released this week as far as I know.

Mix n match approach also works :up:

Thanks for the heads-up on QC. It seems to not be overly common from what I read, but still a concern. That said, haven't all of Fanstoys ones had QC issues too?

Still, Sever looks like he'd fit my collection better. I may wait and see how that goes.

Some of the complaints I've seen aren't from people who're prone to exaggeration, put it that way. Per Maz's pics, it's a nice design even if not in scale with anything. The potential issues have seen it heavily marked down, so it might be worth considering.


It would probably be a standalone anyway, as I'm unlikely to collect a full set of MP Dinobots. That reduced price makes the decision harder! But, I think on balance I'll wait and see how Sever goes in QC terms. I don't like the idea of having to fix a £100+ figure. It pissed me off enough with Justitoys WST Swoop...

inflatable dalek
2015-06-19, 07:44 AM
I am tempted by a Swoop, and Soar does seem to be the one of choice for most people. One of those things to look out for at AA I suspect.

Ryan F
2015-06-19, 01:04 PM
That appears to be some delicate surgery involving at least two 100+ GBP figures...or one figure and good painting/chroming skills :up:

No, my customising skills suck - I just swapped the torsos round - all it took was a screwdriver!

I'm all aboard the TF bus when it comes to dinos. They have some crazy-cool engineering (I still wonder at Scoria's leg transformation) and they're a name I trust, which in the grand scheme of things is pretty important to me.

I've been burnt quite a few times (KFC, X-Transbots), and with me it's a case of 'one strike, you're out'. Given the choice between FansToys (whose Shockwave was immense) and complete unknowns Giga-Power (despite both companies boasting great designs), there was only one winner.

Denyer
2015-06-19, 07:00 PM
Happy Meal toys...
Would tend to agree on a lot of main-line stuff, but it does seem a bit odd to commit to having kids if brightly coloured tat is a concern.

haven't all of Fanstoys ones had QC issues too?
So have the official MP releases, and not just the chronic ones such as Rodimus. Besides there being fundamental tolerance and wear issues with anything that's handled. Personally haven't been unlucky with Scoria's shoulders (although I am planning to get the comic version and sell or pass on the original) or Soar's knees.

It would probably be a standalone anyway, as I'm unlikely to collect a full set of MP Dinobots. That reduced price makes the decision harder! But, I think on balance I'll wait and see how Sever goes in QC terms. I don't like the idea of having to fix a £100+ figure. It pissed me off enough with Justitoys WST Swoop...
As I say, I can well see Gigapower bailing on release of a set or disappearing -- i.e. Gutturs will be around for a while without a big jump in secondary price.

I am tempted by a Swoop, and Soar does seem to be the one of choice for most people. One of those things to look out for at AA I suspect.
I don't think AA really offers anything in terms of toy prices. Suspect they won't go lower than the (also quite heavy) reduction at the moment;

http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/fanstoys-ft-05t-soar-red-swoop.html

The trouble for retailers is that most people seem to go for the first release and/or cartoon ones, plus there's drop-off as people give up on completing sets for various reasons. So the trend is towards pre-orders only and not carrying additional stock.

numbat
2015-06-19, 07:45 PM
Would tend to agree on a lot of main-line stuff, but it does seem a bit odd to commit to having kids if brightly coloured tat is a concern.
:lol:


So have the official MP releases, and not just the chronic ones such as Rodimus. Besides there being fundamental tolerance and wear issues with anything that's handled. Personally haven't been unlucky with Scoria's shoulders (although I am planning to get the comic version and sell or pass on the original) or Soar's knees.
Fair point. I've not encountered issues with any of the MP releases myself. Perhaps the issues with Fanstoys are equally uncommon? I did get that impression about Guttur too though, from reading around. I guess the thing is if you're unlucky it's a right bugger.

The trouble for retailers is that most people seem to go for the first release and/or cartoon ones, plus there's drop-off as people give up on completing sets for various reasons. So the trend is towards pre-orders only and not carrying additional stock.
I must admit I'm a fan of the cartoon versions normally - and those are the ones that tend to sell out at pre-order stage (before anyone knows about how good they are, let alone QC issues), and rocket in price...

Much food for thought though. I've been looking at the Fanstoys not-Dinobots more, and they actually look very good indeed. I like that Scoria comes with those platform shoes for MP Grimlock too. They are very tempting. I'm just not sure I can survive committing to buying a full set of MP-scale Dinobots.

Knightdramon
2015-06-19, 08:35 PM
Would tend to agree on a lot of main-line stuff, but it does seem a bit odd to commit to having kids if brightly coloured tat is a concern.


So have the official MP releases, and not just the chronic ones such as Rodimus. Besides there being fundamental tolerance and wear issues with anything that's handled. Personally haven't been unlucky with Scoria's shoulders (although I am planning to get the comic version and sell or pass on the original) or Soar's knees.


As I say, I can well see Gigapower bailing on release of a set or disappearing -- i.e. Gutturs will be around for a while without a big jump in secondary price.


I don't think AA really offers anything in terms of toy prices. Suspect they won't go lower than the (also quite heavy) reduction at the moment;

http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/fanstoys-ft-05t-soar-red-swoop.html

The trouble for retailers is that most people seem to go for the first release and/or cartoon ones, plus there's drop-off as people give up on completing sets for various reasons. So the trend is towards pre-orders only and not carrying additional stock.

I guess that lady numbat views the figures as I do---toys are bad if they are on display by adults, adults need more high end collectibles around :lol:

The 3 FT Dinos so far [Scoria and the 2 Soars] are -generally- ok, but if you have an issue with one of them, the issue is magnified on how OCD you can be. Loose arms on Scoria would bug the hell out of me, for instance.

Both my Soar figures had great joints, but the first one had a broken part right out of the box. The thigh covers are problematic and require care.

Sever did not appear to have issues from the test shots reviewed so far...

Denyer
2015-06-19, 08:55 PM
've been looking at the Fanstoys not-Dinobots more, and they actually look very good indeed. I like that Scoria comes with those platform shoes for MP Grimlock too. They are very tempting.
Provided the toy/comic Scoria also comes with Grimlock boots as promised, and arrives some time before new dinosaurs evolve to take back the planet, I can promise a good deal on the first release if you don't mind it coming in the new box.

I've probably said this before, but one of the things about the design I particularly like is that the dino legs can either tuck into the legs or be on the outside. That might seem an odd thing to focus on, but even if it wasn't intentional it means he doubles as the Canadian/Italian toy release of Slag.

numbat
2015-06-20, 07:58 AM
Provided the toy/comic Scoria also comes with Grimlock boots as promised, and arrives some time before new dinosaurs evolve to take back the planet, I can promise a good deal on the first release if you don't mind it coming in the new box.

I've probably said this before, but one of the things about the design I particularly like is that the dino legs can either tuck into the legs or be on the outside. That might seem an odd thing to focus on, but even if it wasn't intentional it means he doubles as the Canadian/Italian toy release of Slag.

Sounds good to me! Just let me know when that day comes and what you want for it. Slag always was my second favourite Dinobot. And the leg options do impress me. From what I've read about Scoria, it sounds an awesome figure barring QC issues.

KingMob
2015-07-06, 12:16 PM
I think it was here I read some discussion about the new direction of Transbridge Omegalock, as TFS Express.
Just thought I'd pop in to say that I've ended up using TFS more then Kapow this year, basically because they got specific things in and out to me quicker, and they have worked out somewhat to slightly cheaper every time.

This isn't a slide at Kapow, they're great. More just that I wanted to say that I haven't had any issues with TFS and was actually surprised by that (not that I had any with them under the old name, but you know what I mean).

Denyer
2015-07-06, 09:30 PM
Yeah, not had any issues with Omegalock orders and will probably snag TT Defensor from TFE. Customer service is helpful and reliable.

Can't recall if this has already been posted, but the rumour was/is that although everything seems to be handled in the UK by the same people ownership or a controlling stake is with a Chinese manufacturer (probably XTB/KFC based on being able to get replacement parts for certain items). If true, it'd stand them in good stead for being able to supply a range of things that other stores don't or won't carry.

Where it leaves buyers under CCR or TFE with HMRC is anyone's guess, but I'd be wary about having a lot of large pre-orders open. With any company, for that matter, and particularly smaller ones -- people may die, disappear, go bankrupt, etc.

edit: Those KO MP cars haven't shown and the seller's apparently been booted from eBay. Other customers seem to have gotten on okay with dealing with PP over it.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-07, 06:32 PM
Okay dudes who're into this stuff, I've been looking at third party stuff a lot lately and trying to work out how many internal organs I need to keep in order to survive, and I have a question:

- Why is it there are like thirty seven versions of each Dinobot, but none of the bastards have done me a ****ing Flywheels yet?

Warcry
2015-07-07, 07:27 PM
Because like with everything else in Transformers fandom, GEEWUN attitudes are very prevalent on the third-party side of things and practically nobody who wasn't in the old cartoon gets any love. You'll get the occasional Ironfist or Impactor to take advantage of character popularity (or more often, to take advantage of a short-term spike in popularity that happened three years before the toy actually came out, since the turnaround time for these things seems to be pretty long) but unless your favourites came out in 1986 or earlier, you're probably out of luck.

Of course, they can feel free to prove me wrong with an MP-quality Spinister any day now... :)

inflatable dalek
2015-07-07, 07:33 PM
Considering his guest staring role in a well loved comic*, I wouldn't totally rule out a deluxeish Spinister at some point, doing the Scavengers--which would include Flywheels-- after the DJD should be a no-brainer.

Or you know, maybe some Dinobots.










*Instert your own Worlds Collide joke.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-07, 07:39 PM
I totally get the emphasis on the cast of the G1 cartoon (both from nostalgia purposes and the general fact that the animation models look nothing like the toys in 80% of cases), but I just don't get the logic in everybody doing the Dinobots.

I mean these things are expensive, so surely it would make more sense to concentrate on models that aren't already available rather than splitting the market? Or am I making the mistake of applying logic to the TF fandom again?

Knightdramon
2015-07-07, 07:54 PM
Yeah, too much logic for this fandom :lol:

I guess that the first company unveils a product and preorders, then each other company comes out with their stuff to kind of ride the wave, I suppose. It happened with Constructicons and it definitely happened with the Predacons, and it won't be long now before we have other clashes too--especially as companies get bold and flat out go and do things takara will probably in the coming years.

Truth be told, the...four [I think] dino sets all go for different things. There's one purely FOC set of voyagers, there's a G1-looking set that inexplicably combines, there's Gigapower who go for massive, G1 toy-esque dinos and there's FT that tries to adhere to cartoon faithful models.

Sadly almost all companies try to go for a G1 MP-esque design---MMC, MT and FT all try to go for comic/their own designs, but at least MMC is coming out with a slavish G1 line too.

One might think that this is an amazing time to be a fan with all this variety, but is it really variety if everybody is doing the same thing with slightly different proportions?

Denyer
2015-07-07, 07:56 PM
The risk's passed out to vendors who (have to) pre-order, plus we don't know the size of the domestic market... most of the producers have managed to keep going and will probably release a full set. Gigapower... maybe not so much, the problems with their Snarl might have soured too many people on it.

Knightdramon
2015-07-07, 08:22 PM
Yeah, and some vendors have [as of lately] expressed their lack of comfort at the 3rd party scene, what with initial order numbers, minimum orders and so on.

Morgan from masterforce has written a quite interesting article here (http://masterforceuk.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/so-you-want-to-sell-toys-part-1-numbers.html). At one point you can approximate how much you need to sink into such preorders as a supplier, and how tricky they can be if they backfire [ie faulty parts etc].

Denyer
2015-07-07, 10:01 PM
Certainly Andy's trying to manage things stocked to 3P producers that have proven to be reliable, and you can't blame anyone for doing that.

Sever arrived but probably won't get chance to unpack until later in week. Hopefully toy Scoria won't be too far behind, then just one more to complete the set. Which'll bring most of my collecting full circle.

Clay
2015-07-08, 09:52 AM
I totally get the emphasis on the cast of the G1 cartoon (both from nostalgia purposes and the general fact that the animation models look nothing like the toys in 80% of cases), but I just don't get the logic in everybody doing the Dinobots.

I mean these things are expensive, so surely it would make more sense to concentrate on models that aren't already available rather than splitting the market? Or am I making the mistake of applying logic to the TF fandom again?

Another part of it is that, by nature of them all being unlicensed and illegitimate, none of these third party outfits are in communication with each other, and that I think leads to a lot of the overlap in product. Or at least I used to think that. When the three different tries at Predaking emerged, they were all roughly simultaneous. The same scenario repeated with many sets of Dinobots. But now we have another Masterpiece style Shockwave coming while the Fans Toys' Quakewave has been out for a couple of years at this point rather than anything from the larger pool that hasn't been attempted yet. So, I dunno.

Thunderwave
2015-07-08, 10:25 AM
The more I think about the overlap the more I think it's people going "We haven't seen these in a while, let's make a great set of them and people will snap them up!" more then anything else. Also when you start on a team you really can't abandon it without massive backlash from the community, so you're committed. As someone who does 3D modeling as part of my job I can imagine people being reluctant to toss designs that are mostly done when someone else announces their version of the same character if they've spent months working on it. All that sunk time is money and they need to recoup it somehow.

All that said I'm surprised more of the start up companies aren't going "Well, we haven't seen Hoist in a while, let's do him". Chances are no one else is doing Hoist. For a start up it lets them get their feet wet in designing and producing a transformer, gives them something different and interesting, gets the company attention that's not an eyeroll ("Yet -another- team of Dinobots. Yay?), and gives you a wider array of less popular (and thus untouched) characters to toy with.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-08, 06:30 PM
The risk's passed out to vendors who (have to) pre-order, plus we don't know the size of the domestic market...

That's fair. If production is geared solely towards confirmed pre-orders then the market makes a bit more sense to me.

All that said I'm surprised more of the start up companies aren't going "Well, we haven't seen Hoist in a while, let's do him". Chances are no one else is doing Hoist. For a start up it lets them get their feet wet in designing and producing a transformer, gives them something different and interesting, gets the company attention that's not an eyeroll ("Yet -another- team of Dinobots. Yay?), and gives you a wider array of less popular (and thus untouched) characters to toy with.

I think this is basically what I was getting at, but without my "hilarious" hostile entitlement schtick. It's odd that nobody's going for the blatant gaps in the market. Ho well.

Can I ask where people get most of their 3P stuff from? I've been hunting through Kapow, TFS-Express and BBTS - is there anywhere obvious that I've missed?

Been out of the collecting malarkey for a while now so don't be shy about pointing out somewhere you think is obvious. Presumably eBay isn't the best place to go looking.

Denyer
2015-07-08, 07:26 PM
I've not really had any problems buying from Chinese/HK sellers on eBay -- most religiously mark stuff down for customs purposes because they know they'll get strings of negatives if not.

As well as Kapow there's Masterforce -- smaller, slightly more eclectic selection, run as much as a hobby as a business. TFs-Express is what Omegalock was except probably isn't a UK company, and deals with some companies the others generally won't (I think the proprietor is fluent in Chinese, which probably helps). Those are the main three over here.

I'm sure that some of the "loads of Insecticons", "loads of Dinobots", etc. is intentional strategy. It lets companies ride on existing exposure, have people talk about the product differences and relative merits a lot, and it's a known "thing" so if a popular character is being tackled potential buyers expect to have choice (as well as long and unexplained delays, so showing early images just to establish you're doing something is enough). If you're booking quiet slots in factory time and have a reasonable list of designs ready to polish up... why not bring forward some dinos if you can differentiate from others?

Warcry
2015-07-08, 07:48 PM
Considering his guest staring role in a well loved comic*, I wouldn't totally rule out a deluxeish Spinister at some point, doing the Scavengers--which would include Flywheels-- after the DJD should be a no-brainer.
But that'd be the IDW version, which probably has some design differences and wouldn't have his Targetmasters. :(

After Hasbro gave me an almost-perfect updated Scoop, I've got really high standards for updates for the other Double Targetmasters (all of whom I inexplicably love).

I totally get the emphasis on the cast of the G1 cartoon (both from nostalgia purposes and the general fact that the animation models look nothing like the toys in 80% of cases), but I just don't get the logic in everybody doing the Dinobots.
Third-party stuff really seems to move in waves. First everyone was doing combiners, then everyone started doing Dinobots, and it looks like the next bandwagon everyone is jumping on is MP-style cars.

I get the impression that for a lot of these groups R&D consists of going to TFW, reading all the threads about "Why isn't stupid Hasblow making X? I want it now!", and jumping right into drawing up CAD designs for X. Which in theory isn't a bad idea for a small company trying to fill a small fan-driven niche market...but not necessarily such a great plan when there's ten other groups all doing the exact same thing. And then, like Clay said, it's compounded by none of these little groups talking to each other.

I'm amazed that at least some of the ten groups making their own Dinobots haven't already gone under, but you'd have to figure that it's taking its toll on everyone's bottom line.

I mean these things are expensive, so surely it would make more sense to concentrate on models that aren't already available rather than splitting the market? Or am I making the mistake of applying logic to the TF fandom again?
In a way, yes. A few third-party products seem to be driven by the producers themselves thinking a character is cool, wanting to meet an engineering challenge or what have you -- I mean, you can't tell me that they made a Quickswitch or Catilla because the demand for it was so intense. But for the most part it's a reactive business, and they're making what they think the fans are clamouring for. And since fandom clamouring tends to snowball over time as more and more people buy into the hype, it's probably no surprise that the producers are choosing from such a narrow group of characters.

(It is, however, entirely hilarious. Because this is exactly what Hasbro does with their case assortments full of Optimuses and Bumblebees and Megatrons and Starscreams, and exactly the sort of thing that third-parties were supposedly going to save us from.)

I do hope that they'll move on to a more interesting range of characters once the most strident demands have been exhausted, though.

Morgan from masterforce has written a quite interesting article here (http://masterforceuk.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/so-you-want-to-sell-toys-part-1-numbers.html). At one point you can approximate how much you need to sink into such preorders as a supplier, and how tricky they can be if they backfire [ie faulty parts etc].
The toy retail market sucks in general, and especially for people who are trying to market mass-retail figures exclusively to collectors. The system just isn't set up for that, with figures distributed in waves.

But for me, the biggest takeaway from all that is some of the tidbits he offers about the third-party market. If you take the "minimum order" info that he dropped and worked backwards from the price of the car that he compares it to, it seems like some of these 3P toys have much larger production runs that I would have expected.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-08, 08:00 PM
But that'd be the IDW version, which probably has some design differences and wouldn't have his Targetmasters. :(

But then another third party would make the Target Masters! It's the circle of life.

After Hasbro gave me an almost-perfect updated Scoop, I've got really high standards for updates for the other Double Targetmasters (all of whom I inexplicably love).

Do you really want to get me started again on the fact Hasbro made a brand new ****ing Scoop but did Nightbeat as a Bumblebee redo? What madness was that?

Though that does bring us back to something we were discussing recently, the irony of Hasbro being much more cheerful about making left field, obscure and eccentric choices of who to turn into a Generations toy than the entirely made by mad fans for mad fans Third Party people.

In terms of how I chose a Third Party toy, I think with everyone one I've bought I've had a Denyer with me to ask the opinion of, and every time he's been right (including the time I ignored him and bought those hidious Mario and Luigi Auto Assembly exclusives).

That's probably not much use for those who don't have a Denyer to hand though.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-08, 09:01 PM
Thanks dudes, all very helpful and stuff. :)

After Hasbro gave me an almost-perfect updated Scoop, I've got really high standards for updates for the other Double Targetmasters (all of whom I inexplicably love).

**** inexplicable. I know I have my whole Flywheels spiel, but (lack of articulation aside), I regard Quake as the most perfect Transformer ever.

Now, to serious business. Does anybody have a Feral Rex they want to give me? No, wait, give is the wrong word. I mean give.

Clay
2015-07-10, 03:20 AM
You'll get my Feral Rex from my cold dead hands! Meaning I can will it to you, but you'll be waiting a while.

Some of the third party outfits do consistently pursue new territory. Fansproject (one of the oldest groups) has been putting out Headmasters and a Quickswitch. Maketoys is doing masterpiece-style Headmasters and really lovely combiners. Mastermind Creations is doing the Decepticon Justice Division and Impactor. So more variety is out there than is immediately obvious, although it's difficult to keep track because the volume of it.

While not everything from the companies above is golden, they do seem to approach their projects with a certain passion that's evident in the final product. Feral Rex had a lot of thought put into it and it's manifest in the result. Other companies' stuff can lack of lot of fairly obvious revisions at the design stage in order to get the product out quicker (the Warbotron Bruticus comes to mind). Best thing to bear in mind is that the third party stuff is an idiosyncratic lot and that questions are good.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-10, 10:43 AM
You'll get my Feral Rex from my cold dead hands! Meaning I can will it to you, but you'll be waiting a while.

"The police have dismissed rumours connecting his death with a supposedly-cursed cat video as ridiculous".

Best thing to bear in mind is that the third party stuff is an idiosyncratic lot and that questions are good.

Yeah, I've quickly realised this is an absolute minefield. Establishing what's actually available is hard enough, working out what's good is even harder. Keep butting my head against a wall of stock photos/digibashes, shill-piece previews and "ermergerhd new toy is amazing! EXCITE!" reviews.

Plus there's the whole "what's in scale with what" factor.

Apparently I'm seriously ****ing picky as well, because Unique Toys' Ordin looks amazeballs but my brain can't currently get past the fact that they've made Cutthroat his arm.

Actually surprised that (as far as I've been able to tell) nobody's had a crack at mass-produced MP style Coneheads.

Does anybody have any objective views on X-Transbots Apollyon or DX9 Chigurh?

inflatable dalek
2015-07-10, 11:52 AM
It's incredibly silly, but I can never keep track of the Third Party toy names, I do wish people would just call them by what the characters they're actually supposed to be, even if that would probably be more confusing for everyone else.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 01:10 PM
Invisible Not Mirage is comfortably the best thing I've bought that's a robot that turns into a car in the past few months.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-10, 01:13 PM
Cliffjumper's not dead!

I was actually impressed by Mr. Jumper's "In hand" pictures of Not-Mirage, they looked much better than the stock images for some reason.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 01:13 PM
Keep butting my head against a wall of stock photos/digibashes, shill-piece previews and "ermergerhd new toy is amazing! EXCITE!" reviews.

Yeh, between the licence drones at the Waki trying to pretend 3P isn't happening and the zealots who insist that whatever 3P toy they've just bought for a three-figure sum is miles better than a non-existant HasTak product the web's basically useless. Would simply put more faith in testimonial of non-maniacs here myself; got Invisible on a recommend from Denyer.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 01:14 PM
I was actually impressed by Mr. Jumper's "In hand" pictures of Not-Mirage, they looked much better than the stock images for some reason.

Because it had been near me and I'm a motherbanging rockstar.

Stock images are like CGI, they just slap all the filters and shit on out of habit without even considering that they might not need it.

Warcry
2015-07-10, 03:40 PM
But then another third party would make the Target Masters! It's the circle of life.
And charge $80 each for them!

Do you really want to get me started again on the fact Hasbro made a brand new ****ing Scoop but did Nightbeat as a Bumblebee redo? What madness was that?
Screw Nightbeat, I didn't have his toy as a kid so obviously Scoop is a higher priority.

Look on the bright side, though -- as least his best toy isn't an Energon redeco anymore.

**** inexplicable. I know I have my whole Flywheels spiel, but (lack of articulation aside), I regard Quake as the most perfect Transformer ever.
Well sure, Quake's awesome and Spinister's even more awesome. But why in the world do I care about Quickmix so much? He couldn't even decide whether to have elbows or shoulders!

Some of the third party outfits do consistently pursue new territory. Fansproject (one of the oldest groups) has been putting out Headmasters and a Quickswitch. Maketoys is doing masterpiece-style Headmasters and really lovely combiners. Mastermind Creations is doing the Decepticon Justice Division and Impactor. So more variety is out there than is immediately obvious, although it's difficult to keep track because the volume of it.
**** the DJD.

...oh wait, this isn't a MTMTE thread, is it? Sorry, Pavlovian reaction.

FP are far from the only ones putting out Headmasters, but they've definitely got some of the most diverse offerings out there. Aren't they the ones who designed a new Scramble-City type combiner from scratch as well? MMC have some good stuff, too. Their Sixshot is awesome and I'd be sorely tempted by their Catilla and Impactor as well if the Canadian dollar wasn't shit (with most of the sites that sell 3P stuff doing business in USD, I'm looking at a 20-25% premium on stuff that's already pretty pricey).

Does anybody have any objective views on X-Transbots Apollyon or DX9 Chigurh?
Apollyon apparently had some QC and breakage issues. Though I'm not sure exactly what the problem was because the only place I know of that extensively covers stuff like this is TFW and as soon as something happens the thread for it there fills up with 20 pages' worth of people all saying the exact same thing, making it all but impossible to actually find any information.

It's incredibly silly, but I can never keep track of the Third Party toy names, I do wish people would just call them by what the characters they're actually supposed to be, even if that would probably be more confusing for everyone else.
Same here. When there were just a handful of them from a handful of companies it was easy to keep track, but now there's so many toys with deliberately-generic names out there that I genuinely don't have a clue what people are talking about without Googling. Obviously the companies themselves can't use the names, but you'd think that most fans would have gotten over the "oh, it's okay as long as I pretend it's not really a toy of Swoop!" phase by now.

Invisible Not Mirage is comfortably the best thing I've bought that's a robot that turns into a car in the past few months.
That's the one that takes a lot of inspiration from the Classics toy, right? It looked really good, but just like the old toy it was inspired by he really didn't look much like Mirage at all, to me.

Yeh, between the licence drones at the Waki trying to pretend 3P isn't happening and the zealots who insist that whatever 3P toy they've just bought for a three-figure sum is miles better than a non-existant HasTak product the web's basically useless. Would simply put more faith in testimonial of non-maniacs here myself; got Invisible on a recommend from Denyer.
It really is a shame that the wiki doesn't have a section for unlicensed stuff. It's such a huge part of the fandom now, and without a central information repository it's nearly impossible to keep track of everything that's getting made.

And the reviews for 3P stuff are terrible. I've seen ones where the toys break on-camera during the review and the reviewers still say its a 5-star fantastic figure. Unfortunately that's what happens when the review scene is dominated by a small number of "celebrity" internet personalities who are sponsored by major toy retailers and often get free sample toys to review from the third-party companies. Even if they're not deliberately shilling, they're still not going to be as hard on something as you or I if they didn't have to pay for it and got it months before everyone else.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 08:40 PM
**** the DJD.

Hey, it's Transformers Meets Pop Culture Reference, so it can do whatever it likes.

That's the one that takes a lot of inspiration from the Classics toy, right? It looked really good, but just like the old toy it was inspired by he really didn't look much like Mirage at all, to me.

Yeh, the engineering is largely nicked from the Classics toy but it doesn't turn into a Lego Racer, which is a plus. TBH it's hard to see where Takara would improve and it's easy to see where they might fail (e.g. putting someone from Animated's name on the sides or something). One of the plusses to 3P is that the theft can be wholesale and there are a few finnicky areas where bypassing traditional retail can genuinely allow an improvement on official releases.

Even if they're not deliberately shilling, they're still not going to be as hard on something as you or I if they didn't have to pay for it and got it months before everyone else.

TBH that could go for all TF reviews, especially video ones. There's such a rush to get them online first and show off, which means a lot of stuff like durability issues gets washed over and most are full of the sort of gushing delight just about any new TF gives you.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-11, 10:52 AM
Same here. When there were just a handful of them from a handful of companies it was easy to keep track, but now there's so many toys with deliberately-generic names out there that I genuinely don't have a clue what people are talking about without Googling. Obviously the companies themselves can't use the names, but you'd think that most fans would have gotten over the "oh, it's okay as long as I pretend it's not really a toy of Swoop!" phase by now.

Thankfully Ebay sellers seem to have no qualms about just calling the things "KYJelly Birdosaur/Masterpiece Swoop", which helps.

I think Quake/Shockwave is my favourite of the third party stuff I own, lovely solid chunky toy.

Denyer
2015-07-11, 10:14 PM
Mmm. Mine's facing off against Rodimus at the moment, backed by CW Defensor and FP Bruticus respectively. Replacement Rodimus shoulders FTW.

Does anybody have any objective views on X-Transbots Apollyon
Slap a big 'Con logo on it, and it's a nice display piece I have no real intention of transforming. Happy with for the "at cost" price Masterforce were doing the first run at. Corners have been cut on the packaging in a way that makes it feel a bit cheap... but there are a lot of accessories if that's of interest, and pricing's less than the UK release of Soundwave. It looks much better than the official MP and may well have convinced TT it isn't worth doing another official one.

If you can see it in hand or at a convention/dealer before aftermarket prices kick in, with the variable QC that'd probably be best.

Can't speak for the DX9 one but the TW Evila Star version of Astrotrain looks nice (does have rather a lot of thin, delicate parts, though).

numbat
2015-07-12, 12:55 AM
Actually surprised that (as far as I've been able to tell) nobody's had a crack at mass-produced MP style Coneheads.
Didn't iGear do all three a while back?

Like Clay, I love my MMC Feral Rex / Predaking. Probably my joint favourite Transformer - the other being MMC Hexatron / Sixshot. (My third favourite is Masterpiece Bumblebee in case anyone was wondering, followed by ROTF Buster Prime.)

It took me a while to get my head around Third Party being 'OK' but once I did I realised there's some mind blowing stuff out there.

But there's a lot, presumably of variable quality, and I struggle to keep on top of it all.

Clay
2015-07-14, 02:36 AM
Apparently I'm seriously ****ing picky as well, because Unique Toys' Ordin looks amazeballs but my brain can't currently get past the fact that they've made Cutthroat his arm.

I actually don't mind this as I used Cutthroat as the arm anyway. Blot and Sinnertwin made more sense as legs given their greater bulk. It's a bit of shame the Ordin figures don't scramble, but I'm not overly fussed about it myself.

And Troll (Blot) is really very creative in its transformation. Sinnertwin and Rippersnapper are both sort of "pull legs out, stand up to make robot", but Blot is really well done.

Actually surprised that (as far as I've been able to tell) nobody's had a crack at mass-produced MP style Coneheads.


Igear put out some modified MP Seekers as Coneheads a few years ago. (http://www.igeartoys.com/?page_id=664) They're supposedly crazy expensive now.

Yeh, between the licence drones at the Waki trying to pretend 3P isn't happening


It really is a shame that the wiki doesn't have a section for unlicensed stuff. It's such a huge part of the fandom now, and without a central information repository it's nearly impossible to keep track of everything that's getting made.


See, I kind of understand their point when they say that they want to stick to only official stuff (of which there is plenty), but when their front page has a big advertisement for Green Giant on it (see attached), I want to call that tunnel vision that's not helping people inform themselves.


FP are far from the only ones putting out Headmasters, but they've definitely got some of the most diverse offerings out there. Aren't they the ones who designed a new Scramble-City type combiner from scratch as well?

Yes, Glacial Lord they called it.

Same here. When there were just a handful of them from a handful of companies it was easy to keep track, but now there's so many toys with deliberately-generic names out there that I genuinely don't have a clue what people are talking about without Googling. Obviously the companies themselves can't use the names, but you'd think that most fans would have gotten over the "oh, it's okay as long as I pretend it's not really a toy of Swoop!" phase by now.

I understand, and sometimes I forget the off-names (I can't remember what Unique Toys call their Rippersnapper off the top of my head), but I tend to use the off-names in conversation here so that whoever is reading the post knows specifically what I'm referring to, and especially so when a character has multiple third party figures to their credit (the Predacons, for instance).

And the reviews for 3P stuff are terrible. I've seen ones where the toys break on-camera during the review and the reviewers still say its a 5-star fantastic figure.

Source? Not that I don't believe you; I just want to see it.

Unfortunately that's what happens when the review scene is dominated by a small number of "celebrity" internet personalities who are sponsored by major toy retailers and often get free sample toys to review from the third-party companies. Even if they're not deliberately shilling, they're still not going to be as hard on something as you or I if they didn't have to pay for it and got it months before everyone else.

Yeah, video reviews are typically bad. Another thing I've seen is someone trying to figure out a transformation while the camera is running because they were too excited to do so before pressing record.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-16, 05:26 PM
Cheers for facts, info and opinions guys. All really helpful.

Video reviews in general are awful. How hard is it to work out what the toy is, how it transforms and then do a five minute overview piece with competent editing? Feh. Plus I much prefer a text piece with some pics that I can scroll through. Whevs though.

Have ordered a couple of FansToys Dinobots (Slag and Swoop) and pre-ordered the Quakewave reissue. So that's me living on bits of carpet for the next few months. Will let you know what I think of stuff when it turns up.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-18, 08:18 PM
Any word on what Third Party Wreck-Gar "Splinter" is like? I am tempted by his presence in Orbital.

Denyer
2015-07-18, 09:00 PM
Design and build quality for the Salmoore version are perfectly reasonable. A few parts are a little loose but the plastic feels fine. Personally the "super gobot" version of Cy-Kill has a lot of sentimental value, so I was excited to pick up a homage (they also went the extra mile with box art) but Splinter is probably the better release and the asymmetrical legs and tyre shields suit a Junkion more.

http://kumastyledesigns.com/toy-reviewpictorial-dx09-toys-splinter-and-salmoore/

If a reasonable price, I'd be tempted myself if I saw it in person.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-18, 09:10 PM
Cool, hadn't realised it was a reworking of the 3P Cy-Kill, mainly been drawn in by the fun box art. That might be a buy thrn if I find the time to pop back tomorrow.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-21, 05:14 PM
Scoria and Soar have arrived and they're beautiful. Really heavy, really sturdy. The left shin cover on Slag keeps popping open and I'm having a lot of trouble to get the tail kibble to stay where it's meant to be (even after retracting the tail), but overall they're just magnificent to behold.

Only real issue is how small MP Grimlock looks in comparison. His head only comes up to Swoop's chest, which is a bit distracting.

Other than that, they're blooming glorious. Oh, and the instructions are marvellous. Especially the "make sure you do this, not this" notes. That's attention to detail.

Also went for Chigurh. Good size, roughly the same scale as the MP Seekers, coming in at just a bit taller. Plastic seems to be decent enough quality for the job. He seems to have more fiddly edges and corners than you'd think scientifically possible though. Nothing dangerous, but enough to make handling him a bit awkward. Hip joints are quite loose.

Transformation was proper "what... what... WHAT... how... what am I even meant to be looking at" stuff in a few places, but I just sort of fumbled my way through and then looked at the instructions for each bit again afterwards to try and correct any glitches. It's not complicated, but the diagram's aren't brilliant, have no text and to be honest the toy's a bit oversized for the complexity. If it were 2/3rds the size with that engineering, it'd be fine, but it just gets in the way of itself (as mentioned, the hip joints are loose so of course the legs kept flopping about all over the place while I was trying to suss out what the hell I'm doing).

All in all though, it's a solid display piece. Not a perfect representation of Astrotrain's animation model, but it's good enough for me.

Denyer
2015-07-21, 06:50 PM
The boots/feet for Grimlock work reasonably well to boost him to the FT size, but they tend to be pricey when they come up on eBay -- search for something like "grimlock (scoria,feet,booster)". More'll be in circulation when the other Scoria releases happen and when FT release Grinder.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-21, 07:12 PM
Oh that's what they are.

They weren't mentioned anywhere in the instruction and the review I was using as picture reference for his back kibble just said they were cannons...

Merci...

Denyer
2015-07-21, 07:35 PM
Oh cool, you've already got. They came with the initial run of Scorias and apparently will come with the first batches of at least the toy and X releases.

Since my dinos are ankle-deep in Beast Saga figures they blend in seamlessly...

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-21, 07:43 PM
Yes that's much better now. Obviously I've got the comic colour scheme Grimmers so they're not a perfect match, but I'll just stick some stuff in front of him, as you say.

Knightdramon
2015-07-21, 07:45 PM
Which Scoria did you get? The just released Toy one or the earlier cartoon one?

Be careful with Swoop's thigh covers. The gold [or red, depending on which ver you have] thin strips are very easy to snap off when transforming back to dino mode.

There are fewer breakage reports for the red version, but maybe that's because fewer people have that or because they were more aware due to the slight delay.

Contemplating on actually keeping and paying for my Toy Scoria preorder. Seeing as it's almost a 9 month old preorder I cannot say I am as enamored with the prospect of having him as I was back in December.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-21, 07:59 PM
Bought the Wreck-Gar before the Majesty's Secret Service/Man With the Golden Gun part of Sunday's Bond triple bill:

https://twitter.com/InflatableDalek/status/623576076816678912

First impressions are both robot mode and bike mode are great fun (the way you can peg the guns and wheels to different parts of the robot mode helps create a nice Junkion feel to him as well), but getting between the two is hellish fiddly (getting the arms past the silver side bits is especially tricky). Mind, my first thoughts on getting him out the box was "Well he looks nice and simple for a 3P toy" so I may have been unfairly biased by that.

Funky looking guy though.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-07-21, 08:02 PM
Which Scoria did you get? The just released Toy one or the earlier cartoon one?

The cartoon one with the red head.

Be careful with Swoop's thigh covers. The gold [or red, depending on which ver you have] thin strips are very easy to snap off when transforming back to dino mode.

Cheers for the warning.

Denyer
2015-07-22, 11:37 PM
I wouldn't necessary rely on Gigapower releasing a full set.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/1046881-fans-toys-best-3rd-party-company-4.html

The designer of gutter already left, that is why you have not seen another dino from them one year and half after the first reveal.

Clay
2015-07-23, 11:42 PM
Scoria and Soar have arrived and they're beautiful. Really heavy, really sturdy. The left shin cover on Slag keeps popping open and I'm having a lot of trouble to get the tail kibble to stay where it's meant to be (even after retracting the tail), but overall they're just magnificent to behold.


Yay, you found permanent forever happiness! :up:

Haven't actually picked up any of the Fans Toys' dinos myself, but I do have their Quakewave. He's lovely and wonderful.

Denyer
2015-07-29, 06:17 PM
By the looks of it retailers are being shorted on the toy redeco of Scoria and/or there's been organised theft, so TFs-Express/Omegalock have had boxes turn up with units missing and stock intended for Kapow has been taken away from them and given to TFE.

This probably isn't going to end well.

Apparently the replacement stock, which was a small quantity, has come from a Chinese distributor -- Kapow have separately been left high and dry by FansToys.

Have ordered one from a seller overseas, which assuming they're accurate about having stock in will probably take a couple of weeks...

Warcry
2015-08-04, 11:00 PM
Does anyone here have the FP Quickswitch? I still have so much fun fiddling with my MMC Sixshot that I'm starting to itch for another modern Sixchanger. Feedback seems to be pretty thin on the ground compared to some other 3P figures, though. And for obvious reasons, because really, how many people care about Quickswitch?

He's obviously not as slavishly G1 as the Continuum version of Hexatron is, which spoils some of the fun, but on the other hand G1 Quickswitch was horrible so it doesn't matter as much as it did with Sixshot.

Denyer
2015-08-04, 11:55 PM
There are reports of wear on the ratchet gear for the drill piece (it's too tight as produced) and conversely ball joints were used in places ratchets might have been preferable. Got mine to look pretty, so I haven't encountered issues.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/948553-fansproject-madlaw-master-v-quickswitch-post12257058.html

It's been widely marked down, so it may be worth considering if you go into with eyes open.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-05, 06:40 PM
I've decided I want to be one of those people who gets sent free stuff in exchange for posting half-arsed video reviews where I go "yay toy is amazing" while my elbow obscures what's going on.

Who do I talk to about this?

Knightdramon
2015-08-05, 08:00 PM
LOL you'd have to ask somebody that's already doing that for pointers.

Apparently some toy stores will sponsor you but you need over 1.000 or so subscribers.

Though I do agree on what you said.

Elbow in the way is optional. You need to be able to talk highly of the toy, no matter what it does or doesn't do. If it falls apart during filming, don't stop, don't even think about re-shooting. No, just keep on going saying how awesome it is and how well it holds together.

If your review sample is in 15 pieces during transformation, don't stop, no, just keep on going and say that it's really intuitive.

Video editing or whatnot is not acceptable. Whatever the f*ck happens, keep filming, and do not edit anything. :lol:

Denyer
2015-08-08, 08:42 PM
Quick turnaround on Scoria... fitting in Stomp is going to get tricky, and Sever really needs a corner spot. Because he's ****ing huge. It's not as obvious in-hand.

http://i.imgur.com/4vrVBu7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4vrVBu7.jpg

Clay
2015-08-08, 09:25 PM
Pretty.

Is grimlock wearing his booster shoes?

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-08, 11:32 PM
+10 cool points for the Sleeper omnibus.

numbat
2015-08-09, 07:06 AM
Wow - Sever and Scoria look awesome. I guess the odds of official Masterpiece Snarl and Slag are remote to nil, so these guys could be the way. What's QC like?

Denyer
2015-08-09, 01:34 PM
Is grimlock wearing his booster shoes?
Yep. Without them the difference to Soar is noticeable. Not taken with the design FT has shown for Grindor (doesn't really fit with either the show or original toy) although I have a suspicion that it'll be re-thought following feedback;

http://i.imgur.com/cV4ndg3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cV4ndg3.jpg

The herbivores should be quite chunky anyway.

+10 cool points for the Sleeper omnibus.
It's nice they're keeping the stuff out there. And the ~800 page volumes handle okay... tempted to get the Invisibles as it's been a long while since I read it, and if it goes on a massive quality slide partway through like I'm half-remembering it wouldn't take many other like-minded readers to brick Morrison up with one-volume reprints. He'd probably be quite up for being treated like a modern-day pharoah.

What's QC like?
If anything the joints on the more recent release of Scoria are a little too tight, but unless anyone's looking to re-enact Dancing on Ice moves I think quality overall (and compared to pricing of much smaller figures) has been good. Soar having plastic knee bits seems to be the main slightly daft design decision. Also, sorry, meant to PM you yesterday.

Suppose I should mention some of those aren't the weapons that came with the figures. Picked up some MP swords from a Chinese seller ages ago when the FT dinos started being released, and there're contributions from G2 SS and ArtTek. That's Sever's actual gun though.

numbat
2015-08-09, 03:51 PM
Also, sorry, meant to PM you yesterday.
No worries or rush. I'm still interested in your old Scoria if he's looking for a home.

I am also interested in knowing more about how Sever has turned out. Snarl and Slag were my fave Dinobots and big MP style toys are very appealing. I just worry a bit about QC as I have no experience of FT and it sounds like there have been issues with some of their releases.

Knightdramon
2015-08-09, 08:19 PM
There are minor issues with most, if not all, of their releases. Snarl is pretty much solid from the feedback I've seen. Scoria should hold up fine, especially since you are getting a second hand, properly inspected copy.

All three weigh about the same. I've got Soar and let me tell you, it's been quite, quite some time since I've held a figure with such heft.

One thing to note is that if a joint seems too tight on any of them, try to loosen it. FT's response to loose joints on Scoria was to tighten everything a billion times more than they should. I had to loosen 3-4 joints on my Soar to make it transformable! :lol:

Denyer
2015-08-09, 09:17 PM
FT claim there were about 9000 Quakewaves produced over the original three runs, so assuming figures since have been in anywhere near the same ballpark for numbers the proportion with which issues have been reported is low.

Expectations have shifted a bit as well... Scoria originally sold for the price the subsequent limited edition X version and the larger scale Asia exclusive MP releases went for, which may explain some of the extra loudness of complaints about the shoulders.

Of all of them, I'd be most concerned about Sever's plates and Soar's knees in a fall. Other than that it's really just a case of handle with proportionate care.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-11, 04:51 PM
It's nice they're keeping the stuff out there. And the ~800 page volumes handle okay... tempted to get the Invisibles as it's been a long while since I read it, and if it goes on a massive quality slide partway through like I'm half-remembering it wouldn't take many other like-minded readers to brick Morrison up with one-volume reprints. He'd probably be quite up for being treated like a modern-day pharoah.

Currently picking up the 12-issue "deluxe" hardcovers for the Invisibles. Omnibuses (omnibi?) are great shelf-pieces but I think that one probably falls just the wrong side of needing to buy a lectern to read the damn thing.

BadCube's BugCorp arrived in today's post. First impressions are positive. Tight joints, nice detailing. Plastic feels a solid quality. It's the value pack so doesn't have the chrome, but the silver is still good and shiny on its own merits.

Haven't transformed them yet, but they look fairly straightforward. I think some of the joints might be a bit on the over-tightened side, but not to the degree where I'm expecting things to break. Had a bit of an issue getting the fists open to get their guns in, but that's probably due to me having no nails at the moment. Weapons seem to be held really well ("T" shaped handles rather than the "-|-" that Takara seem to favour these days).

A touch bigger than I expected, to be honest. Bombshell's a shade taller than their version of Brawn. So still smaller than an Autobot MP car, but not by as much as I was anticipating.

Might have a proper muck about later and report back again, but as it stands they're excellent "straight onto the shelf in robot mode" category items.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-25, 10:03 AM
First of two 3P items I picked up at AA:


Not-Chromedome!

I've always weirdly liked the original Chromedome (wierdly as he never really did anything in the West and doesn't look that amazing objectively), so getting a super duper version was rather fun.

The toy itself doesn't disappoint, it has a nice chunky robot mode with those glorious big guns and the car is as Chromedomey as you could hope.

The Transformation is something I think I'm going to need to play with a bit more to get a good idea of how satisfying it is. On paper the way it basically folds out and then over into the car is inventive (I love how the arms slot into the feet), but it did feel frustrating in places, especially trying to get all the tabs in properly at the end. Practise will either make it easier or more frustrating.

Annoyingly the one wheel wasn't screwed in properly, but I think I've fixed that now.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-26, 12:23 PM
And my other 3p Toy:

Catilla!

It's actually a good thing everyone who buys this will be buying it specifically to treat it as Catilla, because if I wanted a toy of whatever character it's pretending to be, reading the pack-in comic would have been depressing. He tries to combine with Feral Rex but fails due to something Not-Jhiaxus has done to him and is then promptly killed and thrown out the airlock for being shit. Who wouldn't be excited about owning this guy after that?

Still, as Catilla he's mostly very nice, helped by the original having a generic enough robot and cat mode that it doesn't take much to turn Rampage into a good facsimile (the red replacement head and feet--presumably if you want him to match the other Predacons?--are especially pointless on that score because who wants Catilla in non-Catilla colours?).

As the instructions aren't hugely helpful and both the pack pics and those on the internet (though one of the first images to come up on a search for "Third Party Catilla is a busty woman in her underwear*. I certainly can't get the toy to look like that. And I've tried) seem to chose the angle carefully I'm not sure if I've transformed him right. It feels as if the robot mode head should be better hidden, the cat head only really covers it if it's looking straight on.

Still, I can see why people rave on these guys, he's probably the most solid 3P toy I own (at least out of the bigger ones), certainly being weightier and sturdier than Chromedome. He's also got good articulation and (thankfully for the aforementioned instructions) 98% easy to transform without help beyond the potential head mistake. A very nice toy.

Someone turn one of the others into Carnivac now!


EDIT: *Though having just double checked (for research) it's a lot lower down today for some reason. Yesterday she was up by the random map image. Turns out it's from a random collection of wank bank images one transformers website put out under the name "Before Carly", hence the tenuous connection. Oh dear.

Warcry
2015-08-26, 03:32 PM
(the red replacement head and feet--presumably if you want him to match the other Predacons?--are especially pointless on that score because who wants Catilla in non-Catilla colours?).
I think those are meant for their Rampage, rather than Catilla. IIRC this company has a habit of shipping replacement/upgrade parts for old figures in with new ones when there are QC issues or people complain the colours weren't G1 enough.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-26, 05:39 PM
Ah, well, if anyone wants those.

Which toy comes with the parts that turn him into a busty woman in her underwear?

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-26, 07:07 PM
Someone turn one of the others into Carnivac now!

Wouldn't surprise me if MMC did a Carnivac in the future. It's no less bizarre than them doing Catilla, which itself proves they're aware of the lunatic comic fan market, even if they did try to market him as one of the Predacons in an attempt to... I'm not really sure... justify his inclusion in the line? Up sales by convincing... people who don't know(?)... that he's part of that subgroup? It's all a bit peculiar, but hey, we got a Catilla out of it so what the hell.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-26, 08:31 PM
I hope so, the nice thing about Catilla and Chromedome is they're exactly the sort of characters 3P should be doing, obscure but with a degree of mad fan love and unlikely to get a Generations toy (well, I suppose Chromedome is an inevitability but that will be the quite different Roche/Milne design, one that looks like the original is less likely than a Catilla). More of that, less Devastators!

On the promotion as a Predacon (whatever they're called), I guess they thought as they have to advertise him as something other than Catilla and they also have to promote the Predacons as something other than the Predacons, why not take advantage of the fact the reuse of Rampage means he can combine with them? I bet there are folks who wouldn't have otherwise bothered with Catilla but who did love their Feral Rex enough to pimp for the added super mode thingey add on extra even if it's not the G1 homage they originally went in for.

numbat
2015-08-27, 08:04 PM
I really like MMC Felisabre / Catilla. I have a soft spot for the G1 toy and after finding the Feralcons to be awesome I went for him as a standalone.

That said I love the idea that he may have been a Predacon when he was a Decepticon, and the yellow of his arm mode really balances out Feral Rex / Predaking. The battlemask even hides the Autobot insignia I added. I really didn't expect to like him on Predaking but he has ended up doing arm-duty on display about 50% of the time (he's standalone and in robot mode just now though).

All of the Feralcons are amazingly well designed, solid and great fun in every mode. Feral Rex is something else (best combiner ever - and I really don't think Combiner Wars Menasor stands a chance of competing when I get round to building him tomorrow).

inflatable dalek
2015-09-01, 07:52 PM
Having had a further fiddle with Catilla, I've discovered he has a secret compartment with a tiny penguin in it.

Apparently it's the companies mascot, though maybe they could have put the time and effort spent on designing that into hiding the robot mode head better?

I've decided he's the official mastermind behind Feral Rex anyway. Makes as much sense as the pack-in comic does.

https://twitter.com/InflatableDalek/status/638780428560801792

Clay
2015-09-01, 08:48 PM
Yeah, in my head I have this weird analogy that the first seven Reformatted figures (Sixshot, the five Predacons, and Catilla) are really the cast of Predator. Sixshot is Schwarzenegger, Catilla is Carl Weathers the CIA operative who can't be fully trusted, Razorclaw is Blaine with the heavy weapons, Rampage is Duke, Divebomb is Billy, and Tantrum and Headstrong are the two white guys nobody remembers.

And the penguin is the predator.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-09-01, 08:56 PM
Razorclaw is Blaine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAQvZCQcXU

Yeah I can buy that.