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Denyer
2015-03-12, 04:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156

:(

http://i.imgur.com/KjSYPZZ.jpg

Also,

http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7091605&cid=49242383

StoneCold Skywarp
2015-03-12, 08:17 PM
:(

inflatable dalek
2015-03-12, 08:35 PM
Bollocks.

Leonard Nimoy seems to have made the notable last Tweet a thing. I'll have to prepare mine, just in case.

Denyer
2015-03-12, 09:17 PM
Just get someone to post photos of you underneath the wardrobe.

Skyquake87
2015-03-12, 10:46 PM
"should have gone to Ikea". That should do it, dalek.

And thanks for all the books Terry. They were ace. And so were you.

tahukanuva
2015-03-13, 02:53 AM
I started reading Pratchett because some of you guys recommended him, so thanks for that, guys.

(This is probably the most personally upset I've been by a celebrity death. I don't want to get overly poetic, but his writing is Pretty Important to me. Of course, he managed enough books to probably last until my own death, so at least I'll still have him around for a while yet.)

inflatable dalek
2015-03-13, 02:18 PM
"should have gone to Ikea". That should do it, dalek.

Or "Skyquake was right!"

I think part of the reason this has hit me so hard (Terry's death, not the wardrobe) is that my own Nan, though I don't think she's ever been formally diagnosed with dementia, has absolutely no idea what's going on these days and will ask the same questions over and over again.

inflatable dalek
2015-03-14, 02:04 PM
Browsing Wikipedia, it looks as if what will now be the final (assuming his daughter sticks to her original intent that we talked about in the Snuff thread a few years ago of just nurturing it in other media rather than producing new prose) Discworld book will be a Tiffany one. Which will actually be a nice way to bow out, not only one of the successful newish characters but one that would have been the entry level for a lot of younger fans.

Presumably the Stephen Baxter books will still carry on with Pratchett as co-author though? Assuming they haven't run their course, I've not really been paying attention to those.

Denyer
2015-03-14, 04:46 PM
Started with Equal Rites back in the day... have enjoyed the Tiff books, though (much more than the later Ankh Morpork character ones). Bit of trepidation about another because I Shall Wear Midnight is a capstone itself, and feels a bit kitchen sink due to the earlier characters and dictation.

Haven't read the Baxter collabs... any good?

I'd be open to other Discworld authors. Pratchett's style changed a lot even over the first dozen.

Cliffjumper
2015-03-16, 11:25 PM
Started with Colour of Magic but didn't really kick off for me until Guards (which was the second I read... amazing to think that even as recently as 20 years ago this sort of thing was dictated by what libararies bothered to stock).

Kind-of happy if the books stop, TBH. Been on the downslide from the zenith for a while anyway and some showed that most of the interesting things in the universe had been already written about.

inflatable dalek
2015-03-18, 08:33 PM
I honestly can't remember which one I read first, would have been around the time of Men at Arms/Soul Music, and I know Moving Pictures was a very early library borrow for me as well. I discovered Robert Rankin at the same time (but never managed to get into Tom Holt).

I listened to the Radio 4 version of Good Omens at work last night. It starts off suffering from trying to keep all the main gags in by turning large chunks of narration from the book into dialogue with very mixed results (the "the time is always "Too late" gag is bludgeoned to death), but this settles down into quite a fun audio play with some thankfully good performances from the kid actors.

Denyer
2015-05-12, 11:30 PM
This I did not realise;

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/07/terry-pratchetts-final-discworld-novel-september-the-shepherd-s-crown

Heinrad
2015-05-15, 12:07 AM
The first book of his I read was Sourcery. I was hooked from that point on. I think my favorite is Night Watch.

Denyer
2015-06-22, 06:00 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/12/terry-pratchett-daughter-fans-shepherds-crown-last-discworld-novel

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 02:23 PM
For the best. As I've said elsewhere I think the quality's been diluted over the last ten or so years anyway - understandable but unavoidable; it's not for me to demand an ill old man stops doing the thing he loves but I don't have to pretend some of the books weren't utter shite either. With the best will in the world his daughter wouldn't stop the rot.

Nice big budget film or two might be nice, though. Preferably starting off with Guards, Guards but would basically settle for anything that wasn't Colour of ****ing Magic or made by Sky.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-10, 02:37 PM
Yeah, nice to see common sense prevail for once, I suspect her being a successful writer in her own right with her computer game work means she both has less need to ride her father's coat tails and a better understanding of these things than many people who wind up inheriting a literary estate.

I'll be amazed if new Discworld books don't happen within the next 20/30 years (they'll be a lot of pressure from publishers, and maybe even other family members, to do so), but at least everyone is thinking sensibly for now.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 02:42 PM
I'll be dead by then, so whatever. There'll be some sort of continuation I know (though TBH it's never struck me as a series that's particularly going anywhere despite the recent shift from being broadly medieval fantasy to industrial revolution pastiche) but as long as there are a few years between to make it less legitimate I'll settle.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-10, 02:47 PM
I'll be dead by then, so whatever.

That's the spirit!

TV film is always a tricky one for Pratchett, how do you adapt books easily when the authors narrative voice is so strong?

I didn't mind the Sky ones, possibly because (with the exception of Going Postal) they didn't really pick classic books, so them being cheerful wallpaper wasn't hugely soul destroying for me in the way it would have been if, say, they'd done Mort. I still think TV Hogfather is better than the book.

Cliffjumper
2015-07-10, 03:02 PM
Front cover Hogfather is better than book Hogfather. Teatime was the first of several big time charlies parachuted into books to make regulars look like ****wits who was actually really irritating, like Drift or Sentinel or something.

TV film? No, just make a proper film. More chance of it actually being good and not featuring people who are in Midsummer Murders or some shit.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-11, 10:48 AM
Front cover Hogfather is better than book Hogfather. Teatime was the first of several big time charlies parachuted into books to make regulars look like ****wits who was actually really irritating, like Drift or Sentinel or something.

I suppose the problem with Teatime was he was the first (and last, indeed there's only one more Death book after that isn't there? Perhaps he felt that thread had run out of steam as well) attempt to create a human who was capable of being a threat to death. The other books tend to have super beings or abstract challenges for him to face off, Teatime has to be given all these odd quirks to try and make it look like he might be a challenge and it doesn't quite work.

That period of the books is a bit flabby and tired anyway, it's telling after such a long absence (and with him being on the record that Sorcery was his least favourite in the series as he'd done it because the publisher wanted a Rincewind book rather than because he wanted to do one) you get two Rincewind novels in rapid succession.

It's around The Truth things turn round and it feels like a new leash of life has been added to the series, with new ongoing characters and types of plots getting introduced whilst some of the older characters were faded back into more supporting roles.

As I think we've talked about before, it really felt for a while there he was building up to a passing of the torch/next generation of Discworld, though obviously (though as there's about four of the more recent books I still need to read I might be wrong here) that wound up not happening.

TV film? No, just make a proper film. More chance of it actually being good and not featuring people who are in Midsummer Murders or some shit.

Oh, that should have been TV/film. And you'd love Bergerac as Vimes.

The odd thing about the Colour of Magic adaptation is both the leads are horrendously miscast (and Pratchett's "I never said Twoflower was Asian" was a low point for him. No, that line isn't in any of the books but you wrote an entire novel about the guy coming from ****ing Discworld China! Bit of a clue there), but they're both really good and entertaining in the roles making for a pleasant enough couple of hours viewing that, again, is more fun than the book.

inflatable dalek
2015-09-18, 02:00 PM
So, in preperation for the Shepherds Crown I've been catching up on the books I haven't read.

Snuff really is as bad as Cliffy said at the time. To recap from my Facebook:

Sadly it was probably the poorest Discworld book this side of the football one. Mainly because the subjects of spoofery felt a bit tired (Jane Austin?!) and it was odd for Sam to take such an adversarial attitude to the countriside when this is at least the third book he's been out in the sticks in (after Fifth Elephant and Thud) and he didn't seem so surprised by everything in those.

Plus, whilst the anti-prejudice message is a good and worthy one, after Trolls, Dwarves, Vampires, Gollums, Whatever the minority was in the Football One and so on another book with a "Ha, this traditional monster is just like us and maybe man is the real monster!" plot was predicable and over done.

Plus it was odd to have the "Copper goes on holiday and finds themselves fighting crime" thing played so straight. It needed at least a lampshading.

That said, once the book got on the river it got going and was a lot of fun, and the happy ending for Nobby was amusing and unexpected.

The weird thing about the Pride and Prejudice stuff is it goes nowhere. There's a tired and unfunny dinner scene with the sisters early on and then it's completely forgotten about until the epilogue.

The low point was a truly bizarre bit where Vimes talks to the now literal darkness in his head and is told exactly how the murder happened so he doesn't have to bother with investigation or deduction.

It also suffered from Vimes being just too damn tough. He was just up against minor league villains, instantly working out what happened and was happening and barely breaks a sweat. It's just too easy.

Of course, and this isn't the fault of the book but it's unavoidable, it's a shame the last Watch book barely has any of the others in it. Detrius is a non speaking extra and the Ahnk Morpork subplot feels like a case of "Oh yeah, best do something with those guys" and doesn't really add anything.

Plus, Rust now being A Very Old Man and young Sam's age meaning it's been six years in fiction since Night Watch does make it feel as if everyone has stagnated. Carrot's probably the same age now Vimes was in Guards Guards...

Currently a 100 pages into Raising Steam and it is much better, even if it is the same plot as the two previous Moist books (and is basically the checklist of "Things around what I'm spoofing this time" style book that goes all the way back to Moving Pictures).