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zigzagger
2015-04-16, 08:51 PM
Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #40 three-page preview from the usual place (https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/transformers-more-than-meets/id986177288?l=es&mt=11).

Knightdramon
2015-04-16, 08:53 PM
Just brilliant. First page had me all sentimental for all 3 bots/person...

Unicron
2015-04-16, 09:19 PM
You know what makes the Hunter stuff on Page 1 even worse? Bombshell sitting in the tree in the last panel. I totally missed it until someone mentioned it.
Page 3 started not at all like I expected, which just makes it funnier.

So Ratchet doesn't say goodbye... Guess we know what's happening at the end of the issue, perhaps with tragedy.

Death's Head
2015-04-16, 10:42 PM
Mm, Scarvix. Don't tell Marvel!

And I suppose Swerve will have to go all gastro now to compete with Mirage.

zigzagger
2015-04-17, 02:26 AM
Re: Ratchet leaving -- Maybe this is the point where he leaves to catch up with Drift in his mini-series.

Though... the way it's being set up, it does come across like Ratchet may be leaving for good, doesn't it.

Mixed on that prospect, if it all turns out to be true. On one hand, well, it's Ratchet and I love him. Conversely though, while I am forever game for new Ratchet adventures, his arc in MTMTE is pretty much complete (at least he's accomplished everything he's set out to do since issue #1, more or less -- though I'm still waiting on that 'proper handover' to First Aid). Been a while -- like, Remain in Light -- since he's been in the forefront too.

Terome
2015-04-17, 11:16 AM
That is some excellent attention to detail to make that third segment on the first page resemble the 'ations.

Mirage's posh bar sounds like the absolute worst.

Warcry
2015-04-26, 03:38 PM
Full preview is available. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-40-full-preview-182566/)

Mixed on that prospect, if it all turns out to be true. On one hand, well, it's Ratchet and I love him. Conversely though, while I am forever game for new Ratchet adventures, his arc in MTMTE is pretty much complete (at least he's accomplished everything he's set out to do since issue #1, more or less -- though I'm still waiting on that 'proper handover' to First Aid). Been a while -- like, Remain in Light -- since he's been in the forefront too.
There's a problem with the "hand things off to First Aid" plan now, though -- First Aid is gone off to join the Combiner Wars along with the rest of the Protectobots, and who knows if we'll ever see him back aboard the Lost Light. The post-miniseries new toy shilling might mean that Defensor needs to stay behind on Cybertron with the rest of the gestalts.

Of course, the same goes for Mirage, so Swerve probably won't have to worry about losing customers for long.

Terome
2015-04-26, 04:24 PM
There's a problem with the "hand things off to First Aid" plan now, though -- First Aid is gone off to join the Combiner Wars along with the rest of the Protectobots, and who knows if we'll ever see him back aboard the Lost Light. The post-miniseries new toy shilling might mean that Defensor needs to stay behind on Cybertron with the rest of the gestalts.

Of course, the same goes for Mirage, so Swerve probably won't have to worry about losing customers for long.

It is a shame, isn't it. These aren't big plotlines but it grates that they are being pulled about by outside forces. When I did my big read of the Giffen / DeMatteis Justice League books that are a big influence on MTMTE, you can spot these hairpin turns a mile off. It really hurts the idea of the series successfully outlasting its sell-by date. It's something that the comic industry seems to have cheerfully sacrificed a long time ago - I suppose TV shows and movie franchises have similar problems with contracts / deaths but it seems like the stakes are higher in those cases. IDW could have done some requisite Combiner Wars comics in a splinter timeline that resembles their continuity. That's the logic the toy biographies operate under - we don't expect Rung to up sticks and do a psychological profile of the Protectobots to fit in line with some copy so why is it okay to pinch First Aid for essentially the same reasons?

Anyway, the art is lovely here. This is Cahill, isn't it? I don't remember clearly the last thing he did but this looks like a leap and a bound of improvement. Very good sense of space and depth.

Oh, and here's more fuel to the 'Ultra Magnus and Megatron getalong gang' fire - Ultra Magnus has been doing some thinking about the sorts of human rights that Megatron was very keen on, once upon a time.

zigzagger
2015-04-26, 08:30 PM
It took 40 issues, two Spotlights and an annual, but Xaaron finally gets a line of dialogue, unless I'm forgetting something.

It's a start. ;)

Not that he's a character I've been clamoring for, just would be nice if he piped up once in awhile.

Full preview is available. (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-40-full-preview-182566/)

There's a problem with the "hand things off to First Aid" plan now, though -- First Aid is gone off to join the Combiner Wars along with the rest of the Protectobots, and who knows if we'll ever see him back aboard the Lost Light. The post-miniseries new toy shilling might mean that Defensor needs to stay behind on Cybertron with the rest of the gestalts.

Of course, the same goes for Mirage, so Swerve probably won't have to worry about losing customers for long.

I sure do hope not :(

Always figured MTMTE was on its own vague timeline, and being somewhat removed from the other titles.

Sort of thing happens in the cape books all the time, where a character inexplicably disappears to take part in some editorially mandated event, only to return a storyline or two down the road and no one misses a beat.

Maybe it'll simply come down to a few throwaway comments (personally, I'd like to see Rodimus' reaction when - or if - Ratchet returns to the ship with Drift in tow).

Inaction Master
2015-04-26, 10:41 PM
It took 40 issues, two Spotlights and an annual, but Xaaron finally gets a line of dialogue, unless I'm forgetting something.

No kidding. I feel like I've been waiting for the longest time for him to be given something to do other than accentuate the scenery. I'd just like to know more about his actual standing in canon as of now, or like why he joined the Lost Light crew to begin with.

It'll be sad to see Ratchet go, which I'm hoping is what this is leading to and not him dying tragically or something. Though with him going, First Aid gone and Ambulon... uh, yeah, this kinda means the crew's without a capable medic. Though I guess there's Hoist...

Unicron
2015-04-27, 02:47 PM
It'll be sad to see Ratchet go, which I'm hoping is what this is leading to and not him dying tragically or something. Though with him going, First Aid gone and Ambulon... uh, yeah, this kinda means the crew's without a capable medic. Though I guess there's Hoist...

Well, back in DC when Ratchet was fixing him up, Megatron did say he wanted to be a medic before the war...

Terome
2015-04-29, 01:31 PM
Read the issue when I should be working.

Quick summary:

Awwwwwwwww

Fantastic stuff. No wacky hijinx, no technobabble, just some solid character work and excellent art. Sets up all kinds of genuinely interesting new arcs and not a line or panel is wasted.

Denyer
2015-04-29, 07:12 PM
Yeah, nothing to add but +1 to the appreciation.

Red Dave Prime
2015-04-29, 07:24 PM
Just so you know, I am in work now and jealous of you ��

inflatable dalek
2015-04-29, 07:32 PM
I thought it was very much a breather issue, with a lot of good moments but it was very much making time and probably the weakest (in relation to the overall quality of the series) thus far in season 2.

Some of the problems weren't of the books own making though. Ratchet gets a heartfelt goodbye, but we know it's so he can go be in the giant bag of three day old cum that was Empire of Stone, that makes it an annoying waste of one of the best characters being shoved into a plot nobody wanted him in. First Aid finally gets to be chief medical officer but (whilst having to go back to Cybertron makes sense in that context) we know he's instead going to wind up part of a giant monster going "Raaaah" as the endpoint of his characterisation. Mirage does something! But he'll wind up doing an crazy Ironhide impression to try and explain a comic nobody wanted explaining (and of course, Ironhide started having visions for the same reason).

The payoff to ten kind of fell flat as well because we've seen so little of him, indeed, is this the first time he's been back since he first appeared? It felt like the end of a storyline that's happened entirely off-camera. He could have at least been shown hanging around Ultra Magnus.

Plus, in a comic where the Getaway scene has caused a lot of fuss, it's surprising no one has commented on the fact Ten is basically a really creepy stalker, watching Magnus, stealing his stuff, making small effigies of him. Yikes.

As for Brainstorm- God-damn it, Auntie Slag was right! I hate it when that happens.

It was a nice scene, but it did feel he got off really lightly for Attempted Destruction of Established History. Indeed, are the Lost Light crew really qualified to try such a crime? That's where bringing Maximus in as the new duly appointed enforcer to oversee things would have helped.

Either way, considering they only have his word for any of what he says, the idea he'd ever be let near his lab again under any circumstances is ridiculous even for this series. He managed to build a time machine under Perceptor's nose, who'd know what he'd get up to if he really is a wrong'un? It all felt a bit too much "Must sustain the status quo no matter what!".

And sure, Brainstorm getting off lightly compared to Drift was sort of the point, but it felt too contrived a way to get Ratchet thinking about this.

The aforementioned Getaway scene... well it was creepy and uncomfortable with all sorts of date rape/abusive boyfriend parallels. Considering this is another long running plot that's barely been touched upon this could do with some resolution soon.

Though based on Brainstorm, it'll turn out Getaway is a nice date rapist so they'll let him off so he can continue being a regular as long as he promises never to do it again.

The Ratchet scenes were by far the best part of the issue.

zigzagger
2015-04-29, 07:49 PM
Well, I liked this issue. A lot. It tugged on all the right heartstrings for me.

Ratchet is the real heart of the issue, with all threads framed around him, so it should come as no surprise that I absolutely adored the **** out of this issue. Very impressive character work, full marks and all that.

Nice follow up on Ratchet and Rodimus's conversation from issue #30 too, and I've sooo been waiting for the other shoe to drop on the subject of Drift. Ratchet finally acknowledges First Aid as the new Chief Medical Officer, again a long time coming. At least it addresses my earlier concerns, though admittedly not quite to my satisfaction. Then there's Ultra Magnus...

Confession time; I've always liked Ultra Magnus. Even when Roberts beat the whole OCD shtick into the freakin' dirt, I still liked the guy. Couldn't take him seriously, mind, but I liked him. Don't ask me why. But this issue showed growth, that there has actually been, you know, progression since Remain in Light. Yes, there's been signs of it here and there since then, but this -- slight as it may have been -- is a step in the right direction.

I like Magnus the character more than Magnus the running gag, I guess is what I'm getting at :)

And Ten. Squeeeeeee! I love Ten! He's adorable! And oh, that sad, sad face. The poor thing. You just want to give the lug a big ol' hug.

Curious on one thing that has no doubt been brought up in the past; since Ten speaks in Tyrest's old code, what does 'ten' actually mean? Something horrible, more than likely. You know, to juxtapose against how cute Ten is.

In the same vein, I have not missed Swerve in the slightest, and this issue did nothing to sway me. He's just as abrasive and obnoxious as we last saw him.

More thoughts to come.

Heinrad
2015-04-30, 12:14 AM
I enjoyed the issue, although it was a bit Nightbeat-lite for me. But it was a nice character building issue. And getting everybody who needed to talk to talk was brilliant on Ratchet's part.

Terome
2015-04-30, 02:42 PM
For shame, Dalek! In times like these I always heed the advice my grandmother gave on her deathbed - 'Just pretend that Drift: Empire of Stone doesn't exist.'

She was a wise woman, dearly missed.

Didn't realise how incensed people were by Getaway. He is coming across as a pick-up artist, which is an interesting kind of peril for Transformers. I'm guessing Cyclonus is going to be stirred into doing something about him at some point.

Here's a neat thing I've read abroad - I hadn't quite grasped the significance of Megatron having the time machine because hey, what is he going to do? But that means he can get into the Functionist Universe. It also means he might go looking for Terminus. That would be cool.

I suppose Ten and the reminder of the Legislator massacre is setting us up for something about the Circle of Light? There's some good horror in the idea of all these guys being Frankenstein'd.

Confession time; I've always liked Ultra Magnus. Even when Roberts beat the whole OCD shtick into the freakin' dirt, I still liked the guy. Couldn't take him seriously, mind, but I liked him. Don't ask me why. But this issue showed growth, that there has actually been, you know, progression since Remain in Light. Yes, there's been signs of it here and there since then, but this -- slight as it may have been -- is a step in the right direction.

I like Magnus the character more than Magnus the running gag, I guess is what I'm getting at

Couldn't agree more. Early Magnus does stand out as a genuine misstep of Season 1. He was useful as the Rimmer of the ship but he works better as a sort of uncool dad.

Can we have more of Cahill?

inflatable dalek
2015-04-30, 08:14 PM
For shame, Dalek! In times like these I always heed the advice my grandmother gave on her deathbed - 'Just pretend that Drift: Empire of Stone doesn't exist.'

But it does exist! We cannot deny it!

One place this fell down was Ratchet seems to be forgetting the reason Drift got such short shrift was that he insisted upon it, otherwise Rodimus would have just revealed the truth.

Then again, apparently Empire retcons this to have him all depressed and broody about being kicked out.


Didn't realise how incensed people were by Getaway. He is coming across as a pick-up artist, which is an interesting kind of peril for Transformers. I'm guessing Cyclonus is going to be stirred into doing something about him at some point.

Yeah, I mean I get it's intentional and is obviously heading for a payoff, it's just an odd direction to go in.

Here's a neat thing I've read abroad - I hadn't quite grasped the significance of Megatron having the time machine because hey, what is he going to do? But that means he can get into the Functionist Universe. It also means he might go looking for Terminus. That would be cool.

Would it work as a full time machine without the other briefcases? Presumably by itself it could just muddle up time a bit like the ALL one did when Nightbeat opened it. Which could still be useful.

I did like Chromedome acting as Brainstorm's defence (though Brainstorm trying to drop Rewind up it with him sitting there next to him makes him even more of a dick). Though surely having a tribunal made up of witnesses to his crimes is legally dodgy? Another reason calling in Maximus would have been a good idea.

How did Brainstorm get let back into Swerve's? Surely he's not the forgiving type?

Terome
2015-04-30, 09:15 PM
But it does exist! We cannot deny it!

One place this fell down was Ratchet seems to be forgetting the reason Drift got such short shrift was that he insisted upon it, otherwise Rodimus would have just revealed the truth.

I will concede that it exists but you'll never convince me that it matters.

Interesting point though - Rodimus may have told him in that pregnant pause. He's a git but he doesn't like being dishonest and is uncomfortable when withholding the truth.

Yeah, I mean I get it's intentional and is obviously heading for a payoff, it's just an odd direction to go in.

Yeah, it's one of those things where it's interesting for Transformers. Having a cast that includes a creepy dude macking on the vulnerable member of that cast isn't a new dramatic device by any stretch but, as I say, it makes a nice change from BIG BADs. I don't particularly care that Tarn is amassing a new Decepticon army because, really, what is he going to do? But having a subtler and darker threat is more compelling because Tailgate could get pretty messed up by this. I mean, I know he just got better from having robo-cancer so I'm sure he'll be fine in the long run but it's something relatively different.

Then again, apparently Empire retcons this to have him all depressed and broody about being kicked out.

He does change his mind a lot.

Would it work as a full time machine without the other briefcases? Presumably by itself it could just muddle up time a bit like the ALL one did when Nightbeat opened it. Which could still be useful.

Good for parties. I imagine there will be quite a gap between time-travel hijinx so plenty of time for Megatron to convince Brainstorm or a Brainstorm equivalent to help him reconstruct it.

How did Brainstorm get let back into Swerve's? Surely he's not the forgiving type?

He is, though, the desperate type.

Warcry
2015-04-30, 09:15 PM
How did Brainstorm get let back into Swerve's? Surely he's not the forgiving type?
When his bar's been so empty for so long, I don't think he's in any position to turn away any customer.

I definitely enjoyed this issue. Nothing world-shattering happened for once, which meant that the characters had a lot more room to breathe than in the previous issues. The focus on Ratchet was nice but we also got some good moments for Magnus, Nautica and several other members of the crew, in addition to another reminder of just how much of a gutless piece of garbage Brianstorm is (seriously, he can't even betray people properly!) Unfortunately, like dalek says it's somewhat undone by the knowledge of where Ratchet, First Aid and Mirage are headed.

The fandom reaction to this one surprised me, though. The histrionics surrounding Getaway are a bit much, with some people practically accusing him of being a child molester trying to "steal" Tailgate from Cyclonus. I miss the days when the shippers in this fandom were a tiny minority of perverts that the majority could just ignore, instead of there being so many of them that their creepy ideas are widespread enough to hijack the discussion of plot points. In the old days, we would have been able to look at this scene for what it (hopefully) is: a shady intelligence agent buttering up a vulnerable person using textbook psychological manipulation techniques for unknown but obviously-evil ends.

(Personally I think Tyrest broke Getaway during the months of brutal interrogation and now he's trying to get revenge on the little runt who foiled his master's plan.)

I'm also stunned by the sheer number of people who are saying that Brainstorm and Rewind did nothing wrong and Whirl is the one who should be on trial for the horrible crime of saving someone's life. He's a freaking hero! And I don't want to hear any "he condemned billions of people to die with his actions!" Because all those people are already dead, and changing history so that they're not is only going to condemn a whole different set of people to die (or, as is the case with many of the book's cast, to have never lived to begin with).

Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?

Terome
2015-04-30, 09:50 PM
Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?

Yeah, they are playing favourites and making it up as they go along.

inflatable dalek
2015-05-01, 04:41 PM
I will concede that it exists but you'll never convince me that it matters.

It matters as a lesson that we must never forget how bad things were and how bad they could get again.


He is, though, the desperate type.

When his bar's been so empty for so long, I don't think he's in any position to turn away any customer.

Desperate enough to not want the patrons who were driven out by Brainstorm poisoning them to see Brainstrom just sitting there in the bar surely? It's not even as if he's in there when business is bad.

Brainstorm just being able to go in there for a drink casually just makes all the dirty looks (and occasional gun pulled on him) the non-Decepticon Cyclonus has had to put up with seem even more unfair.

I did love the idea of Megatron's poetry reading driving everyone out. And as a former terrible villain forced into cahoots with the good guys but who really just wants his bad poetry appreciated... He's basically Spike from offa Buffy isn't he?


The fandom reaction to this one surprised me, though. The histrionics surrounding Getaway are a bit much, with some people practically accusing him of being a child molester trying to "steal" Tailgate from Cyclonus. I miss the days when the shippers in this fandom were a tiny minority of perverts that the majority could just ignore, instead of there being so many of them that their creepy ideas are widespread enough to hijack the discussion of plot points. In the old days, we would have been able to look at this scene for what it (hopefully) is: a shady intelligence agent buttering up a vulnerable person using textbook psychological manipulation techniques for unknown but obviously-evil ends.

I don't think finding a creepy sexual element to their scenes is out of whack (though it's clearly not child molestation), even if you go with your reading of it, agents manipulating people do traditioanlly use sex as a tool and with Roberts having brought an (at the very least an analogy of) sexuality to the series it's hard not to read it as a honey trap scene. And the way he's shoving drinks down Tailgate's throat after he wants to stop is pure creepy boyfriend territory.

The debate comes from whether it's a valid story direction. I'd say yes-assuming a decent payoff- but it's being very drawn out.


I'm also stunned by the sheer number of people who are saying that Brainstorm and Rewind did nothing wrong and Whirl is the one who should be on trial for the horrible crime of saving someone's life. He's a freaking hero! And I don't want to hear any "he condemned billions of people to die with his actions!" Because all those people are already dead, and changing history so that they're not is only going to condemn a whole different set of people to die (or, as is the case with many of the book's cast, to have never lived to begin with).

I feel lucky I don't browse the other boards. That's... just stupid. But probably fueled on by the book's attempt to try and make Brainstorm not be a villain here.

I mean, I just don't buy the idea Ratchet uses to bring Nautica (one good point McFeely made on the Underbase podcast, she's actually a quantum engineer. Where was she during the quantum engine based time travel shenanigans? She'd have been a safer pair of hands running it than Perceptor) around that Brainstorm was being "Selfless" in doing something that would kill him as well.

I mean, if he'd gone around the ship with a gun and shot every made to order Autobot aboard in the head before committing suicide, no one would claim that was a selfless act. His plan was basically a really elaborate and over the top way of doing that.

Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?

See, if his defence had been "this court is biased to hell", it would have worked. But instead, other than briefly trying to get his defence counsel's husband on the dock as well, he just goes for the unrepentant bastard defence. And it works.

Two thoughts:

From the way the comic draws attention to it, how clean Meagtron's room is will turn out to Be Significant.

From the way he's very carefully not named, Chromedome's Decepticon handler will Be Significant.

Why were all the witnesses present for the hearing when none of them were called (or was there a time jump I missed)?

I think the problem is, the season kicked off with a big trial. So the obvious thing of doing a big trial for Brainstorm is avoided, creating a really odd sequence as it tries to try and prevent repetition.

WHEN WILL XAARON SPEAK?

Auntie Slag
2015-05-03, 10:00 AM
I loved the artwork in this. What’s best is that it mimics Milne’s style whilst also having a good portion of its own. Its the first time I’ve ever totally taken to an artist on this comic who isn’t Milne or Roche, which in turn might suggest…. might, that its a bit too safe?

I know that sounds stupid, but I really have grown an appreciation for that guy who drew the Rewind eulogy issue. He really knew how to do eyes, angles and intensity.

But in this issue, the art is superb, and it works perfectly with the colourist (la Fuente?). The two seem a perfect fit.

Not much to say about the story, which I hope comes across as very high praise because I think this will be a slow burner that needs a lot re-reading. The only issue I have at the moment is that Ratchet mentions he wants to talk to everyone who is important in his eyes before he leaves, and one of those people is Nautica, who I don’t think he’s ever spoken to, on panel. So I found that a bit jarring.

I liked Brainstorm’s joke about Rung being a Decepticon, because behind every joke there is a half-truth, and I feel that must be especially so when it comes from someone like Brainstorm.

Ten; I never really remember him. Are these Legislators all different sizes? Because the two Skids fought in the second issue were massive. Ten barely comes up to Magnus’ shoulders (his normal shoulders, not the massive white pylons that sit above them).

Very scary as well that Ten has a consciousness, taste, creative streak and whatnot. The way Tyrest went on about them suggested they were little more than computers following an instruction, so where has Ten’s consciousness come from? This feels a bit like when Centurion suddenly acquired his own personality and the Professor Morris angle was done away with.

Really like Warcry’s suggestion of Getaway being a mole for Tyrest. No-one ever questioned his coming aboard the Lost Light, especially once he’d free’d them from the cell. It would certainly be a way for Tyrest to knew everything that’s going on on board. The other thing that interests me about Getaway is that he and Skids seem to have nothing to do with each other. I wouldn’t write that off as effects of the Nudge gun, there’s either something more than that, or we’re due a sequence between the two.

Terome
2015-05-03, 05:39 PM
WHEN WILL XAARON SPEAK?

If you're very good then MAYBE in issue #80 he'll get a page to himself.

From the way he's very carefully not named, Chromedome's Decepticon handler will Be Significant.

Yeah, that one landed with a bit of a clang. I'm guessing Banzai-tron is the obvious choice but that wouldn't be so interesting. Also, what the hell has Banzai-Tron been up to the whole time? If he's talking to ALL Brainstorm then he must have got out of that ditch that Arcee left him in.

I liked Brainstorm’s joke about Rung being a Decepticon, because behind every joke there is a half-truth, and I feel that must be especially so when it comes from someone like Brainstorm.

Now that you mention it... that is kind of an odd panel...

Really like Warcry’s suggestion of Getaway being a mole for Tyrest. No-one ever questioned his coming aboard the Lost Light, especially once he’d free’d them from the cell. It would certainly be a way for Tyrest to knew everything that’s going on on board. The other thing that interests me about Getaway is that he and Skids seem to have nothing to do with each other. I wouldn’t write that off as effects of the Nudge gun, there’s either something more than that, or we’re due a sequence between the two.

I dunno - it doesn't add up for him to be Tyrest's creature. He nearly had his spark snuffed out by the guy, after all. Something's definitely up between him and Skids though. You're right that there's no evidence yet of them liking each other at all. On the other hand...

The only issue I have at the moment is that Ratchet mentions he wants to talk to everyone who is important in his eyes before he leaves, and one of those people is Nautica, who I don’t think he’s ever spoken to, on panel. So I found that a bit jarring.

Anyone can be friends off-panel!

Knightdramon
2015-05-03, 06:11 PM
Took me a while to write in this -after- the issue and expand on some points...

IDW are guilty of doing the same cr@p almost twice in a row---namely, having a series come out [real-world chronologically speaking] months before the actual event is referenced in the comic books. I think this took out most of the reading pleasure you'd otherwise get from this issue.

You don't feel bad for Ratchet, you don't feel anxious for Ratchet, you don't have any impending sense of dread for Ratchet...because you read what he went on to do months ago. Wanna say a year ago, but that's not accurate. Kind of similar situation with Punishment and RID.

Despite this inconsistency I enjoyed the issue. It reads like a quiet-down and recharge your batteries issue, especially after the non-stop onslaught of S2 so far. Barring issue 39 which focused on different bots, issues 28-38 were one big non-stop adventure.

Unfortunately, due to the release schedule, some of the issue's main points were given away earlier this month or even invalidated right away.

First Aid, congrats, you have become the new chief medical officer---only to "spoil" this by sending you back to Cybertron at the beginning of this month to form Defensor.

Mirage, hey, wow, new bar...but whoops, even when the preview was out, you know his bar was out of business thanks to RID coming out earlier.

Something fishy is going on with Getaway indeed---kind of reminded me of BW Dinobot, whispering the right words in the right ears in S1 of BW, only this one is sadly less likeable.

:up:

inflatable dalek
2015-05-03, 08:11 PM
If you're very good then MAYBE in issue #80 he'll get a page to himself.

Where, just to confuse things, he'll be written with Nightbeat's actual personality.


I dunno - it doesn't add up for him to be Tyrest's creature. He nearly had his spark snuffed out by the guy, after all. Something's definitely up between him and Skids though. You're right that there's no evidence yet of them liking each other at all. On the other hand...

If he is working for Tyrest they must have been in contact since Remain in Light considering it would make no sense for the whole jailbreak thing to be a set up when Tyrest wasn't expecting to lose.



Anyone can be friends off-panel!

Maybe that's what they were up to during Elegant Chaos?

Or perhaps it was Ratchet acting more for Brainstorm's benefit? After all, everybody loves Brainstorm, the scamp.

Hopefully at some point during his time on Cybertron we'll get a scene of First Aid going "I'm the new CMO!" only for Fixit to go "Errr... no you're not. I am. I've been doing the job for two years. Sod off Mr. Arm".

Terome
2015-05-03, 08:56 PM
Hopefully at some point during his time on Cybertron we'll get a scene of First Aid going "I'm the new CMO!" only for Fixit to go "Errr... no you're not. I am. I've been doing the job for two years. Sod off Mr. Arm".

First Aid flies sadly back to The Lost Light. Cue Vince Guaraldi Trio - 'Christmas Time Is Here.'

Auntie Slag
2015-05-03, 10:24 PM
But an off-panel friendship makes sense because it happens off panel, which is not much good for the reader. I think there must be some other reason why he favours Nautica.

Also liked the bit where Swerve referenced Kup from the '86 animated movie; "A little to the left, a little bit more". Didn't feel any revulsion towards Swerve this time either (the only time I didn't like him was at the Crewditions where he was just being a nonce).

Also, Minimus has red eyes. Did he have red eyes during Remain in Light? I thought only Decepticons had red eyes?

I'd imagine Tyrest would cover all his bases even if the chance of losing is slim. On top of that is the fact that even Tyrest is working for someone else, which has yet to be revealed!

Knightdramon
2015-05-04, 10:17 AM
Also, Minimus has red eyes. Did he have red eyes during Remain in Light? I thought only Decepticons had red eyes?



Yes he did. The current comic books do not delve into the "blue eyes, good, red eyes, bad" category.

Skids, Hoist, Chromedome, Brainstorm have yellow eyes.
Fort Max, Trailbreaker, Minimus and possibly more have red eyes.

Terome
2015-05-06, 11:29 AM
I'm sure I remember a reference once where 'changing your optics' was shorthand for switching sides. And didn't Thunderclash remark on Drift's religious practice of changing his eyes to suit the mood?

If it is something easy to do, I figure that most Decepticons changed their eyes to Megatron's red early on and then it became a thing. Just like how everyone thinks Cyclonus is a Decepticon because he is purple. Colours are more than cosmetic to these guys!

People like Fort Max and Grimlock might be making some sort of statement by keeping their eyes red. 'Reclaim the suffix' and all that.

Now, what's up with Prime having yellow eyes in the -ation era and switching to blue around All Hail Megatron?

Knightdramon
2015-05-06, 06:15 PM
There have been two instances [penned by Roberts] where there is some significance in eye colour, but both were written with a religious attribute in mind.

First one is when Roadbuster believes Springer's eyes are matrix blue, thus compatible with the matrix [LSOTW], second is the Thunderclash incident in which he remarks that Drift is adjusting the hue of his eye colour to match the room.

Bots think Cyclonus is a con because he was with Nemesis Prime and later on Galvatron, both of which were associated with evil doings ;)

I personally just chuck any inconsistencies in colours and art to editorial issues. Soundwave also switches between eye colours, Starscream as well.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-12, 09:22 PM
I loved the continual sight of Tailgate pinging into Ratchet on his BTTF2 hoverboard. It reminded me of Charlie Brown getting knocked off his pitchers mound by the baseball.

I must say though, and I don't know if this is the influence of the Cliffjumper thread or what, but MTMTE has felt a lot less necessary to me lately. I used to crave the next issue, it was so cool not only to be going down the (equivalent of) a Newsagents to get a Transformers comic again, but one as superbly written and illustrated as this. It felt vital.

But for the last handful of issues it hasn't felt that way so much. I'm not sure why as everything is fine. Apparently lots of people regard this issue as one of the best. I do like it a lot, but for me its nowhere near that. Maybe its a grower...

Maybe its because I'm still put off by Nautica & Riptide for really immature reasons (them not being toys), which I know is utterly stupid when I like Drift... Or rather, I like Drift because of his relationship with Rodimus and Ratchet.

I mean, the DJD are back and this should mean high excitement and high stakes time. But I'm put off by Nickel and Deathsaurus and his no-name crew. I'd be more than happy for the Lost Light + Megatron to Square off against Tarn and co. That's as dangerous as it gets.

But I also want resolution for Skids, the Necrobot, the Scavengers, backstory on Ambulon, Red Alert & Fort Max (with guns in his legs and everything), Chromedome's nefarious meddlings with everyone, Rung and for Drift to return. Oh, and Springer, Roadbuster, Overlord, Pharma, whoever's pulling Tyrest's strings and the other dodgy geezers on the Lost Light are just as dangerous to the known cast as any errant Decepticons; referring here to Smokescreen, Sunstreaker, Atomizer...

Top of my list would be Skids, but I've a feeling he's deeply connected to at least two different storylines that would need a lot of unravelling from other characters.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-12, 09:33 PM
Also, is Ore still partly sticking out of the Quantum engines?

Unicron
2015-05-12, 09:52 PM
Also, is Ore still partly sticking out of the Quantum engines?

Nope. He poofed with the Metrotitan back in the Annual.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-12, 10:19 PM
That's interesting. He may or may not be alive then!

Incidentally, I was re-reading an issue of Remain in Light the other day and I felt really sorry for the little Medibot getting crushed by one of the Legislators; especially after Ambulon said it had taken an unusual shine to Spoke and Lockstock, who we still haven't seen!

Unicron
2015-05-12, 10:38 PM
He is if the Metrotitan still is. I think the RID annual was unclear on that. No idea, haven't read it.

Yeah, I remember noticing the poor Medibot on a recent read too. Tis a shame, though I'm still more annoyed by the lack of an appearance by Ambulon's alt mode.

And since you mentioned Atomizer earlier, a though occurred to me recently regarding him and the fake list he gave to Rodimus. Everyone seems to assume Atomizer made up the list himself for whatever read, but he said it came from a 'mutual friend'. It entirely possible that person is the one who faked the list and was just using Atomizer (who may have been honest and meant well) to deliver it. Doesn't tell us anything, but gives us another angle to consider.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-12, 10:48 PM
It certainly does. Maybe its this speculation which is the extra element I've felt missing lately. Unicron, if you could just leave a tab open on your browser all day no matter where you are that'd be great, because that Atomizer comment was dynamite and instantly got the MTMTE love flowing again. I'd never even thought of that one!

Why on earth did Hyperion, first leader of The Wreckers get killed so early and pointlessly in this series? There's a chap with some serious backstory. Also reminds me of the need to see Valve, Rack n' Ruin's fate, and whether Pious Maximus is painting serene landscapes in a home.

Unicron
2015-05-12, 11:10 PM
Yeah, the speculation game has been low lately. Mostly from the horde of people tossing bits and pieces together and figuring things out early (the deal with the alternate Lost Light, that Brainy was really after Megs), but also the recent issues haven't seemed to really provide much fodder for it. Unless we're missing things...

I have to go back and compare dead Hyperion to the one shown fighting Black Shadow in that flashback. Could be one of those 'more than one guy named Prowl' things. But if they are one and same, that is indeed a bit of a waste. Though there's always ways to get into his background, Impactor showing up for story time, for one.

And I still think Pious and Fortress Maximus are connected, possibly even the same bot. Fort Max being a warborn Point One Percenter (on a good day) seems like a real oddity.

inflatable dalek
2015-05-14, 05:43 AM
The Metrotitan from the MTMTE Annual blew up real good after declaring Starscream The Chosen One in the RID Annual. Where Ore actually went was never more than speculation though, so he may be out there.






He's probably Tarn.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-17, 11:25 AM
Its mildly interesting that in our universe Minimus Ambus doesn't appear concerned at all about his missing brother. In the Galvatron Spotlight Sideswipe was incredibly concerned about Sunstreaker having gone missing, whilst Rewind has made it his life's work to find Dominus, even roping Chromedome into the search.

But Minimus isn't that fussed.

And whatever happened to Delta Magnus?

Unicron
2015-05-17, 04:10 PM
Its mildly interesting that in our universe Minimus Ambus doesn't appear concerned at all about his missing brother. In the Galvatron Spotlight Sideswipe was incredibly concerned about Sunstreaker having gone missing, whilst Rewind has made it his life's work to find Dominus, even roping Chromedome into the search.

But Minimus isn't that fussed.

And whatever happened to Delta Magnus?

During the cell chat, I'm pretty sure Minimus referred to Dominus as 'long gone'. I'd have to go back and look to be sure, but I always assumed Minimus either knew or assumed Dominus was dead and that was that. Probably just the details of it that matter (Domey's possible involvement, maybe)

Delta Magnus... probably a casualty early-ish in the war.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-17, 04:21 PM
Hmm, I wonder why since the 'Magnus is Minimus' reveal that Magnus hasn't had a quiet word with Chromedome regarding the futility of a search. It must pain him just a little to know that Rewind is still conducting a search that has, perhaps, been going on for four million years.

Seeing such unwavering devotion, the only reason I can imagine why Magnus doesn't react is that he and Dominus may be one and the same. There's the tiniest argument that he has a thing for the little people (Rewind and Verity), but not THAT little (he shows no affectation for Swerve or Tailgate for example).

Unicron
2015-05-17, 04:47 PM
Hmm, I wonder why since the 'Magnus is Minimus' reveal that Magnus hasn't had a quiet word with Chromedome regarding the futility of a search. It must pain him just a little to know that Rewind is still conducting a search that has, perhaps, been going on for four million years.

Seeing such unwavering devotion, the only reason I can imagine why Magnus doesn't react is that he and Dominus may be one and the same. There's the tiniest argument that he has a thing for the little people (Rewind and Verity), but not THAT little (he shows no affectation for Swerve or Tailgate for example).

Chromedome hasn't been carrying on the search, as far as we know. Pretty sure he said he hasn't at one point. Rewind may not have spoken of it outside of private (and it doesn't appear that he and Magnus spent time together) or at least not in a place Magnus could hear so Minimus may not even know Rewind was searching. I'd have to go back and real the cell scenes just check things.
He also couldn't just walk up to Rewind pre-Remain in Light and say something, for the risk of blowing his cover as Magnus. As for since the Minimus-is-Magnus reveal, there just hasn't been time since Rewind came back. Alt Rewind persisted, the Lost Light and everyone came back, and then it was right into Brainstorm's time-travelling brouhaha.

Minimus being Dominus (or vice versa), while plausible-ish, doesn't seem likely. We've already gotten the 'person A is actually person B' bit with Magnus. I can't see it being done again with the same character.
But maybe that's what Roberts wants us to think...

Red Dave Prime
2015-05-17, 11:02 PM
Nah, the alt-universe has both Dominus and Minimus (and Rewind knows them both :) ). He's not the same bot.

Unicron
2015-05-17, 11:04 PM
Nah, the alt-universe has both Dominus and Minimus (and Rewind knows them both :) ). He's not the same bot.

While I was going to point that out too, I decided not to since it's plausible that one decided to take the place of the other in our universe.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-19, 07:49 PM
Things that bug the hell out of me that it feels will take forever to be revealed:

- The clicker in Krok's hand.
- Red's not-actual paranoia because he was tampered with.
- Who lit up the spark field on Luna 1.
- The significance of Rung's serial number.
- The wooden robot on the Worldsweeper ship.
- Why Skids hates Misfire.
- Where is Valve (there were three reasons why a Wrecker might be expelled).

If I had to pick one it would be Krok.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-19, 08:00 PM
This might be an inconsistency, or me being bored but Red Alert notices Brainstorm's briefcase straight away in issue one. He asks to search it.

Brainstorm could have activated his attention deflector in the handle (something he used to hold onto the briefcase when they were all thrown into the cell during Remain in Light). Instead, he uses a special dispensation card from Rodimus (the one with the rub sign).

Why would Rodimus give Brainstorm special dispensation for anything? It doesn't appear to make much sense and I find it a little hard to believe he (Roberts) hadn't thought up the attention deflectors at this point. Its possible, I suppose... but I don't believe it.

So it was either done for the gag, and it was a good gag, or its an actual slip up.

Unicron
2015-05-19, 09:44 PM
Things that bug the hell out of me that it feels will take forever to be revealed:

- The clicker in Krok's hand.
- Red's not-actual paranoia because he was tampered with.
- Who lit up the spark field on Luna 1.
- The significance of Rung's serial number.
- The wooden robot on the Worldsweeper ship.
- Why Skids hates Misfire.
- Where is Valve (there were three reasons why a Wrecker might be expelled).

If I had to pick one it would be Krok.
The Krok thing is an annoyance. I'm sure we'll get there sooner or later, probably when they next appear significantly.
Yeah, that's a bit of a thing. I think it's pretty clear he was an early use of injecting, which may explain his 'unbalance'.
Seems pretty obvious to me that it was Rodimus and his shattered Matrix half, though I suppose that is misdirection and it was Rung. Because reasons.
Rung's just special, that's all. How special and why, those are the questions.
The wooden robot is just another example of crazy science on that ship. I'm more annoyed by the lack of info on who owned the ship (I'm betting Scorponok)
I'm inclined to think that Skids doesn't actually hate Misfire, he just picked someone random because he really doesn't remember who his nemesis is. Though I do look forward to seeing Skids and Misfire locked in a death grip with each other when they meet.
I keep forgetting about Valve. So many other things deflecting my attention.

This might be an inconsistency, or me being bored but Red Alert notices Brainstorm's briefcase straight away in issue one. He asks to search it.

Brainstorm could have activated his attention deflector in the handle (something he used to hold onto the briefcase when they were all thrown into the cell during Remain in Light). Instead, he uses a special dispensation card from Rodimus (the one with the rub sign).

Why would Rodimus give Brainstorm special dispensation for anything? It doesn't appear to make much sense and I find it a little hard to believe he (Roberts) hadn't thought up the attention deflectors at this point. Its possible, I suppose... but I don't believe it.

So it was either done for the gag, and it was a good gag, or its an actual slip up.
Assuming the deflector wasn't installed at a later time (which is possible, since a lot of people on the ship are aware of the briefcase. That or people know about Brainstorm's propensity for toting a briefcase from Kimia so the deflector won't work on them), it could be the deflector didn't work on Red because of his paranoia, similar to the ones in the Magnus armor not really working on Ratchet. Red's the kind of bot who would notice anything.

As for why Rodders would give Brainstorm special dispensation, he probably had to/got talked into it by Drift. Brainstorm was involved in 'Project: End in Tears', makes sense he'd get all kinds of help in deflecting official attention from his stuff and activities, just in case.

Auntie Slag
2015-05-19, 10:00 PM
Ah yes the Drift, Chromedome, Brainstorm (and Prowl) Overlord agreement. Yes, that makes sense.

I still think the Worldsweeper ship was Shockwave's. I can understand how it could be (and probably is) Scorponok's, but I like Shockwave much more. Where is Scorponok in the IDW verse? Is he in prison following Maximum Dinobots (which I didn't read, but I roughly know the gist of).

I'd be a little sad if it turned out that Skids didn't hate Misfire. Its such a wonderfully odd choice of nemesis I want it to be true.

Now that we're talking about the Scavengers, there was that issue about Spinister being something of a medical savant. I thought a while ago that maybe Spinister shared a link with Skids and someone else, maybe the outliers, because they all have these super special powers/gifts that no-one can explain. Chromedome is, by all accounts an uncannily good mnemosurgeon, on account that he's done loads and hasn't died from it, like his peers.

Unicron
2015-05-19, 10:28 PM
I still think the Worldsweeper ship was Shockwave's. I can understand how it could be (and probably is) Scorponok's, but I like Shockwave much more. Where is Scorponok in the IDW verse? Is he in prison following Maximum Dinobots (which I didn't read, but I roughly know the gist of).


Now that we're talking about the Scavengers, there was that issue about Spinister being something of a medical savant. I thought a while ago that maybe Spinister shared a link with Skids and someone else, maybe the outliers, because they all have these super special powers/gifts that no-one can explain. Chromedome is, by all accounts an uncannily good mnemosurgeon, on account that he's done loads and hasn't died from it, like his peers.
Scorponok was picked up by Magnus at the end of Maximum Dinobots, just like Shockwave, so it would make sense if they both ended up on G-9. Beyond the arrest by Magnus, or at least the taking into custody of his comatose body, we know nothing of his fate. No mention of what he's up to or where he's been. Not even an acknowledgement that he might be out there somewhere.

Spinister I really don't know what to make of. I'm not sure if he's the token idiot savant, a genius who's masquerading as an idiot for some reason, or a genius rendered moronic due to deliberate action/failed experiment.
Wasn't there something about Outliers only being forged or am I remembering wrong? And hilarious idea: Misfire is an outlier, and his gift is being 'aimless'

Auntie Slag
2015-05-19, 10:31 PM
You might think I'm really reaching now; in the first issue when Tailgate ignites his energon cube and sends the explosion through to the planets surface that knocks Whirl offline... the sequence there is slightly odd.

It's always bugged me, Chromedome fishes him out of the hole, Tailgate sees Whirl and says in his polite Tailgate-y way; “Oh my, did I do that”?

In the very next panel the text changes font slightly and goes small as he repeats “Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm”, before panicking that Whirl is dead.

I've always wondered whether what's actually happening there is Tailgate having a sudden flashback to a previous event where he actually did kill somebody, and that's the true origin of his panicky nature.

I wonder if just maybe the person Tailgate killed was someone Getaway knew?

Unicron
2015-05-19, 10:57 PM
You might think I'm really reaching now; in the first issue when Tailgate ignites his energon cube and sends the explosion through to the planets surface that knocks Whirl offline... the sequence there is slightly odd.

It's always bugged me, Chromedome fishes him out of the hole, Tailgate sees Whirl and says in his polite Tailgate-y way; “Oh my, did I do that”?

In the very next panel the text changes font slightly and goes small as he repeats “Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm”, before panicking that Whirl is dead.

I've always wondered whether what's actually happening there is Tailgate having a sudden flashback to a previous event where he actually did kill somebody, and that's the true origin of his panicky nature.

I wonder if just maybe the person Tailgate killed was someone Getaway knew?

Can't be. Tailgate was two weeks old when he was trapped just before the Ark-1 launch. Getaway is an MTO. Outside of wacky 'back from the dead' shenanigans, there's no possible way Tailgate could have accidently killed someone pre-trap that Getaway would have known.

You may be on to something with Tailgate's panicky nature being based in a past trauma rather than him being like 2-3 years old at this point.

Terome
2015-05-21, 07:10 PM
I hate to drag you all back a few posts but re: Dominus and Minimus

Something I've been thinking about lately in light of this issue is how confident and self-assured Minimus was in the Functionist Universe. That makes sense given his personality and quirks and, when push finally came to shove, he was willing to turn against the Functionists even though they had a place for everyone and everyone in their place.

Perhaps in the Decepticon Universe he never felt like he was his own man, like he was in his famous brother's shadow and that was why he put so much of himself into being Ultra Magnus and why he was so ashamed to be outed?

Meanwhile, we don't really know what a 'brother' is in IDW do we? They're not branched sparks like Twin Twist and Topsin - we're told those are quite rare. They're born in batches but aren't they batches of several hundred or so? Are they just batchmates who happen to have a similar body / design from the outset? But then Dominus and Minimus are nothing alike aside from their face and guys like the seekers don't care about each other one bit. Did Rewind consider all those other cassette guys in the Functionist Universe his brothers?

We have a right to know!