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zigzagger
2015-05-13, 06:56 PM
Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #41 three-page preview from the usual place (https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/transformers-more-than-meets/id994356358?mt=11).

Unicron
2015-05-13, 07:15 PM
The Thunderclash School of Heroic Arts. Really? Ok, I'm officially with Rodimus on his opinion of 'Thunders'.

I hope that wasn't the death of Countdown. Highly decorated General? He might be interesting

Skyquake87
2015-05-13, 07:53 PM
Bloody hell, I've still not got to #40 yet....

zigzagger
2015-05-14, 01:29 AM
Not that haven't enjoyed all the dillydallying, but I'm hoping that, since we're now revisiting Thunderclash and company, we'll finally see some progression on the actual quest.

Also, it could just be the arrangement of colors, but I'm totally getting a Rodimus vibe from Firestar's (re)design.

The Thunderclash School of Heroic Arts. Really?


Yeah, and I had forgotten all about 'rigor morphis' until this preview reminded me that that term exists.

Red Dave Prime
2015-05-14, 09:28 AM
Brainstorm being back to just one of the guys is a bit disappointing.

Sigh. Looks like Cliffy was right....

Also - are all the bots showing off to impress nautica perhaps?

Unicron
2015-05-14, 10:17 AM
So someone over on TFW2005 noticed that there's something interesting on the credits page (I think). It shows one of the new characters (Velocity, her name having been revealed by Milne when showing off some of the new character designs) standing with what appears to be Minimus, looking at a bunch of stuff carved into a wall. One of the carvings being that gear symbol that was on the backside of Luna 1. Perhaps Thunders was taking notes from his divine visions, just in case.

Which reminds me... The Matrix map. It was copy protected. You couldn't take a picture of it nor remember the details. So why the bloody hell did no one project the map onto one of the Lost Light's walls and carve the damn thing in with a laser scalpel? I guess Perceptor wasn't smart enough to figure that one out

Red Dave Prime
2015-05-14, 11:43 AM
Which reminds me... The Matrix map. It was copy protected. You couldn't take a picture of it nor remember the details. So why the bloody hell did no one project the map onto one of the Lost Light's walls and carve the damn thing in with a laser scalpel? I guess Perceptor wasn't smart enough to figure that one out

I'm guessing for the same reason they couldnt photo it or remember any details - the image probably couldnt be traced by cybertronian eyes / hands.

Warcry
2015-05-15, 03:55 PM
The Thunderclash School of Heroic Arts. Really? Ok, I'm officially with Rodimus on his opinion of 'Thunders'.
It's more than a little over the top, isn't it? In the issue he debuted in, you could argue that it's just Rodimus overreacting to someone who's a better leader than him on account of how much Rodimus sucks. But stuff like this makes it look like Thunderclash really is super-duper awesome, which is sort of eyeroll-inducing.

I hope that wasn't the death of Countdown. Highly decorated General? He might be interesting
Yeah, that would be a Black Shadow-caliber waste.

Brainstorm being back to just one of the guys is a bit disappointing.
Disappointing but not surprising. :(

Like dalek said in the last issue's thread, you'd think the crew would be a mite uneasy around the guy who just poisoned them all.

Which reminds me... The Matrix map. It was copy protected. You couldn't take a picture of it nor remember the details. So why the bloody hell did no one project the map onto one of the Lost Light's walls and carve the damn thing in with a laser scalpel? I guess Perceptor wasn't smart enough to figure that one out
I asked myself the exact same question the very second they introduced the whole silly "copy-protected" idea. That, or use a projector that was rigged to use enough power to burn it onto the wall. I assume the silly unexplained magic that somehow prevents a living machine's hard drives from storing pictures of it also somehow prevents them from doing this, but since they didn't mention it, it's just a guess.

Or maybe it's 100% possible but the magic just prevents them from thinking of it. :glance:

Unicron
2015-05-15, 04:56 PM
I asked myself the exact same question the very second they introduced the whole silly "copy-protected" idea. That, or use a projector that was rigged to use enough power to burn it onto the wall. I assume the silly unexplained magic that somehow prevents a living machine's hard drives from storing pictures of it also somehow prevents them from doing this, but since they didn't mention it, it's just a guess.

Or maybe it's 100% possible but the magic just prevents them from thinking of it. :glance:

Well, the one explanation I've thought of so far is that Percy was just wrapping up his 'copy-protected' explanation when Pipes hit the Overlord-alarm. There wasn't time for other crew members to consider the problem nor do anything about it with the way events transpired between then and breaking the thing to stop the Killswitch.

As for the crew not really being irked by Brainstorm, best I've got is a non-lethal poisoning is small potatoes compared to what they saw during the war. Hell, they haven't tossed the unrepentant killer of their friends on Kimia out an airlock yet. Worst Cyclonus gets is dirty looks, some comments made behind his back, and the stuff said to his face on the Rodpod while the Lost Light and people were disappearing. If he's allowed to remain on the ship, then Brainy is too.

zigzagger
2015-05-15, 06:18 PM
Re: Stormy -- Not surprised, though it does sort of diminish Elegant Chaos as a result, at least for me. It's a good thing EC was so much fun, otherwise I'd be miffed by the lack of lasting repercussions.

Eh... but since Megatron's allowed to roam around the ship, I'll let it slide.

Re: Cyclonus -- I'd completely agree with Unicron's statement if not for the fact that some of the folks that we saw killed on Kimia, like Grotusque, have popped up in the scenery since then (not 100 percent certain about the Technobots that were there, though).

Terome
2015-05-27, 03:22 PM
Read it! I've got a long lunch break so here are initial thoughts.

SPOILER SPACE














Lots of pipe to lay so this won't be anyone's favourite issue. The focus on Nautica was nice and gave some shape to an otherwise quite muddled introduction to and arc that seems to be focused on the most overlooked feature of the series - the attention deflector.

Getaway doesn't notice when Rung enters a room, Ravage can make light lose its focus, First Aid doesn't find the horror in Thunderclash's trailer, Nautica is feeling unnoticed, a normal-looking medic handed out a miracle cure without anyone remarking on it, Getaway doesn't notice the thing growing on his face until it's too late... if the last big arc up to Elegant Chaos was 'edits,' then it looks like this one might be 'missing the thing that's right under your nose.' Is there a German word for that?

Rodimus and Megatron were reliably on form (and I did get a kick out of the call-back to highlighter pens) and I know Nightbeat isn't popular round these parts but I dig him. Nautica's suffocating best friend was a bit heavy-handed and felt a bit YA and I groaned out loud at the sequence that told us that, from now on, Swerve is going to be making a lot of those pop-culture references we crave.

Milne's on great form. That double-page spread was impressive for a couple of reasons beyond the meticulous crowd shots we expect of him.

Will Nightbeat and Getaway be perfectly okay next month?

inflatable dalek
2015-05-27, 07:29 PM
I pretty much enjoyed that, felt a lot more solid than last issue despite being similarly light for the most part.

Liked the idea of Nautica Nightbeat and Cyclonus being the uncool ones at the party, some effort being put into keeping track of Ravage and the spy freaking out. This is probably the friendliest we've seen Megatron and Rodimus as well.

I can appreciate people thinking Thunderclash is overdone, but I still like it (and the name of the academy can be handwaved as working better in the Cybertronian than the English it's being presented to us as).

I still find the Brainstorm thing deeply annoying. He reeeeeeeeeeallly shouldn't be let out and about till they've followed up on the Suspiciously Specifically Unammed Decepticon handler thing (and if they have, that should have been acknowledged at least even if it's not going to be dealt with head-on till later).

And, whilst I like Swerve more than, say, Warcry, I can't see why he's been given a new skit of Earth Culture when Bluestreak already has that market cornered. Plus, Community probably wouldn't exist in the IDWverse, it started in 2009. Or in other words, when America was a smouldering post AHM apocalyptic ruin. Sitcoms wouldn't have been up to much then.

Unicron
2015-05-27, 08:19 PM
I still find the Brainstorm thing deeply annoying. He reeeeeeeeeeallly shouldn't be let out and about till they've followed up on the Suspiciously Specifically Unammed Decepticon handler thing (and if they have, that should have been acknowledged at least even if it's not going to be dealt with head-on till later).
If we're going to argue that, then they should be mining Megatron for info on who all the various Decepticon spies are. Just because Megatron said he doesn't know all of their agents doesn't mean he doesn't who a whole hell of a lot of them are

Knightdramon
2015-05-27, 09:30 PM
Something's up with Flamewar. She's evil and a monster queen.

Countdown's death goes surprisingly unreported and noticed on her watch.

She's mentioned to change her flame colour within the past year.

Her moves on the dance floor will "kill" Nautica.

Getaway and Skids are in exceptionally high spirits [as well as everybody else, with few exceptions] around her, but sulk badly afterwards. Skids even felt that way before.

Getaway is found after the party, almost passed out, then towards the end, he's infected on the face with the space barnacles.

Flamewar is a sucubus queen or something that "impregnates" other cybertronians like an Alien---they wake up with little memory of it.

And the female medic is either a cue for attention deflectors as well, or...she's a byproduct/that female Rung from pre-elegant chaos.

And while it seems that Ravage clawed his way into the morgue, what if that claw mark is from the space barnacle things?

Took me a second read to identify Rodimus' dagger on his table. At first I thought that Drift had returned or something. The red on the desk threw me off.

Lastly, what's going on with the chronology of the events? When do the Protectobots and Mirage leave?

inflatable dalek
2015-05-29, 03:31 PM
You're saying she might burn the others?

This actually managed to hit the top three on the UK Comixology chart (and crack the top 10 for, IIRC, the first time on the American). Considering we're both in the lull after the end of a major storyline and the number of noobies brought aboard by the Humble deal would have levelled out by now it should by all reason have stayed put or even fell a bit. Instead the climb continues.

My head says it's unlikely, but we're tantalisingly close to having a Transformers comic top an actual proper comics chart (oh yes, UK and digital counts Americans and physical-ophiles). It might need a slow week in terms of other titles (though I suppose that depends on how close the top three actually are), but that's still an insane prospect.

Warcry
2015-05-29, 05:43 PM
Liked this one quite a bit. It was good to see some character development for Nautica, who seems to be fitting in way better with the weirdos on Rodimus's crew than she ever did among her "sorority".

It's also nice to see Minimus wandering around without the Magnus armour. I'm sure that'll come back to bite him in the ass eventually, but it's a nice bit of character development to see that he's so comfortable with himself even around strangers.

Re: Cyclonus -- I'd completely agree with Unicron's statement if not for the fact that some of the folks that we saw killed on Kimia, like Grotusque, have popped up in the scenery since then (not 100 percent certain about the Technobots that were there, though).
Don't be silly, the Technobots will be back as soon as they need them to flog a new Combiner Wars Computron.

But even then, people at least seem to still be irked by Cyclonus. Whereas Brainstorm is back to palling around with everyone as if the last six issues never happened. And in spite of what was said last issue, he seems to be allowed to wander around making new super-devices without anyone being worried (who's to say that he's not turning Nautica's wrench into a new time-travel killing machine?).

Will Nightbeat and Getaway be perfectly okay next month?
Of course they will be. Even if the monsters tear them limb from limb.

And, whilst I like Swerve more than, say, Warcry, I can't see why he's been given a new skit of Earth Culture when Bluestreak already has that market cornered. Plus, Community probably wouldn't exist in the IDWverse, it started in 2009. Or in other words, when America was a smouldering post AHM apocalyptic ruin. Sitcoms wouldn't have been up to much then.
**** Swerve.

You're right though. Popular culture in the IDWverse would have taken a very different turn after AHM, just like US popular culture became quite a bit more patriotic and pro-military in the aftermath of 9/11.

Something's up with Flamewar. She's evil and a monster queen.
She's clearly up to no good, just like the suspiciously hard to remember medic. How else could she just show up (at around the same time, yet) and become second-in-command, cutting over the heads of all of Thunderclash's established troops, with nobody complaining?

Anyone want to bet that the mystery miracle doctor is Pharma? I know the crewmember that First Aid was talking to used "she" as a descriptor, but she also couldn't recall a single thing about them, so... And he does have a track record of magically being able to repair fatal spark damage.

My head says it's unlikely, but we're tantalisingly close to having a Transformers comic top an actual proper comics chart (oh yes, UK and digital counts Americans and physical-ophiles). It might need a slow week in terms of other titles (though I suppose that depends on how close the top three actually are), but that's still an insane prospect.
It's impressive! It's a shame that we don't know how digital sales and print ones add up, but if MTMTE is doing that well on the digital charts you'd have to think that makes it a pretty solid success overall.

It's surprising to see the book climbing the digital charts so much when the physical sales numbers don't seem to be changing, though (at least, based on the Diamond numbers that are publicly available).

Unicron
2015-05-29, 07:39 PM
It's also nice to see Minimus wandering around without the Magnus armour. I'm sure that'll come back to bite him in the ass eventually, but it's a nice bit of character development to see that he's so comfortable with himself even around strangers.
Yup. I fully expect him to be nearly killed while taking a quiet stroll sans armor. Possibly even with his new buddy Ten sacrificing himself to save him.
Don't be silly, the Technobots will be back as soon as they need them to flog a new Combiner Wars Computron.

But even then, people at least seem to still be irked by Cyclonus. Whereas Brainstorm is back to palling around with everyone as if the last six issues never happened. And in spite of what was said last issue, he seems to be allowed to wander around making new super-devices without anyone being worried (who's to say that he's not turning Nautica's wrench into a new time-travel killing machine?).
Like I've joked before, we'll find out it was actually Afterbruner, Nosebone, and Lichtspeed on Kimia and the 3 real Technobots are relaxing on a Hedonian beach, recovering from the fun of Stormbringer and Revelation.

With Brainstorm, I can sort of see things being back to normal (aside from him still being allowed to science unmonitored). I don't think the crew knows he was responsible for the poisoning, he didn't actually hurt anyone, nor did his actions cause any real harm. In fact, his shenanigans had to happen, otherwise the timeline would be vastly different (though no one knew that until afterwards).
There may also be a bit of the scale issue when it comes to comprehending his actions, like with Megatron. Yes, he tried to change history and would have effectively undone everyone, but I doubt people can get their heads around that. That may be giving him a pass.

I am a bit puzzled by him still being allowed to do the crazy inventing, but if I try I think I could see the justification. Given his actions and motivations, the real risk is him building another time machine. He may realize the futility in that, as his previous attempt and failure at travel was already baked in to the existing timeline.
It may also not be a risk at all since he spent centuries (millennia?) working on the first one and even had to go shopping at Decepti-mart for some materials. Yes, he no longer has to worry about research (unless he intends to find a way around the predestination problem) and would be able to build it faster this time, he may simply not have access to the necessary parts anymore. It's probably safe to let him work under supervision. Maybe even unsupervised if you throw in the occasional surprise audit from Percy to see if he's up to no good.

Of course, his alterations to Nautica's wrench may be something he's doing on the sly, and is being used as a way to show us just how brilliant he is. It shows he can still do funky science even without his lab.

Random aside: With how impressed Perceptor was at Brainstorm's work on the time machine, anyone else think it's possible they'll end up as friends, or more?

Red Dave Prime
2015-05-30, 12:10 AM
Really liked this issue - thought it had a nice sci-fi tone to it and its also cool to have a plot which hasn't been anticipated or dissected so that we already know whats coming. I also thought this might be connected to pharma - I'm not sure that's actually the matrix map, maybe its a link to the other dimension that dragged pharma away and this is that dimensions play at coming across. The barnacles could be seeds of the eventual tentacle thing that dragged pharma off.

But I did enjoy this. I think the difference to being confused with MTMTE and the RID (whatever...) is that I always feel that I might work it out before the reveal in MTMTE and it will make sense with what has been shown whereas sometimes RID is just confusing for the sake of it (Megatrons Master Plan is still a hate of mine)

inflatable dalek
2015-05-30, 11:31 AM
It's also nice to see Minimus wandering around without the Magnus armour. I'm sure that'll come back to bite him in the ass eventually, but it's a nice bit of character development to see that he's so comfortable with himself even around strangers.

Yeah, it's actually a bit of toy promotion that works. See Combiner Wars, it can be done!



But even then, people at least seem to still be irked by Cyclonus. Whereas Brainstorm is back to palling around with everyone as if the last six issues never happened. And in spite of what was said last issue, he seems to be allowed to wander around making new super-devices without anyone being worried (who's to say that he's not turning Nautica's wrench into a new time-travel killing machine?).

It's especially odd to see him hanging around with Getaway here, who seemed so incredibly pissed off at his betrayal at the time (punch that wall!) and wouldn't have had much chance to establish any sort of friendship with him beforehand that might mitigate things.



You're right though. Popular culture in the IDWverse would have taken a very different turn after AHM, just like US popular culture became quite a bit more patriotic and pro-military in the aftermath of 9/11.

So I guess we have a choice between either Community or All Hail Megatron being canon.

I've never even seen Community, but that's an easy choice.


She's clearly up to no good, just like the suspiciously hard to remember medic. How else could she just show up (at around the same time, yet) and become second-in-command, cutting over the heads of all of Thunderclash's established troops, with nobody complaining?

I wonder if the medic is going to be Thingey (Christ, I've forgotten her name! The DJD's support gal)? Turns up, pretending to be nice and helpful but poisoning Thunderclash as a side effect?


It's impressive! It's a shame that we don't know how digital sales and print ones add up, but if MTMTE is doing that well on the digital charts you'd have to think that makes it a pretty solid success overall.

It's surprising to see the book climbing the digital charts so much when the physical sales numbers don't seem to be changing, though (at least, based on the Diamond numbers that are publicly available).

Actual digital sales are a mania of mine (as people may have noticed), I'd love to find them out, though with the Comixology chart being weekly and the Diamond one monthly it would probably need some mental adjustment.

I think that's a very healthy sign of the book hitting a wider audience digitally (one that Ex-RID- or any of the other titles for that matter- doesn't seem to be managing). Even if it's only a few 1000 extra copies, with sales still around the 10K mark, that could make a big difference percentage wise.

Unicron
2015-05-30, 12:33 PM
I wonder if the medic is going to be Thingey (Christ, I've forgotten her name! The DJD's support gal)? Turns up, pretending to be nice and helpful but poisoning Thunderclash as a side effect?

Nickel. And seems unlikely, given her small size. Also there being no hints to any sort of weird Rung-like memory issues with her

Heinrad
2015-05-30, 12:37 PM
WOOHOO!!!!!! MORE NIGHTBEAT!!!!!!!!

Yeah, he seems to be more like The Question from Justice League Unlimited than Remington Steele, but as long as he's got some kind of a foil to keep him from going all conspiracy theory, he should be fine.

Having joined this series when Nightbeat did(the different take grated on me a little at first, but the only way to get proper Nightbeat involves time machines and kidnapping Simon Furman in the late 80s), a lot of the background stuff and "handwavey" things I seem to have missed.

But this was a lot of fun. Although I will admit the Thunderclash School of Heroic Arts felt a little odd. I admit I know squat about Thunderclash so far in this series, but I skimmed the posts the first time he showed up, and it kind of left me with the impression that the place might have been named to honor him. Kind of like the famous hero coming back to address a class of cadets only to discover they're renamed the whole institution after him.

I'm still having conceptual problems with Minimus Ambus, but I think that's more to not being entirely certain who Ambus is.

inflatable dalek
2015-05-30, 12:44 PM
We only have Flamey's- possibly highly dubious if she is evil- lack of recall to suggest that there is a memory issue.

Unicron
2015-05-30, 12:51 PM
We only have Flamey's- possibly highly dubious if she is evil- lack of recall to suggest that there is a memory issue.

Perhaps. Like so many others, this is a mystery that requires more info before we can solve it.

KingMob
2015-05-31, 12:35 AM
The crew at large don't know Brainstorm spiked them.

Nautica allowing Brainstorm to further 'upgrade' her wrench was shown as a sign of rapprochement last issue, the object itself is symbolic of their friendship. She's allowing him to add to it again because of that connection, and she may even be letting him do it because she knows he likes to tinker and he's under restrictions; he's not allowed in his lab without supervision.

Also note that he adds the attention-deflector detector to it on Getaway's request.

Skids and Getaway are two of the more capable people on the ship and are in the know about Brainstorm, so suffice as 'watchers'. If they're even there in that regard.

Getway has been shown to be a manipulative SoB and so him acting chill around Brainstorm could well be a facade (either just to get the tech he wanted, or as part of his general 'keep 'em onside' behaviour)...as could have his noticeably dramatic reaction to finding out he was a traitor in the first place.

Red Dave Prime
2015-06-01, 11:38 PM
The crew at large don't know Brainstorm spiked them.

Nautica allowing Brainstorm to further 'upgrade' her wrench was shown as a sign of rapprochement last issue, the object itself is symbolic of their friendship. She's allowing him to add to it again because of that connection, and she may even be letting him do it because she knows he likes to tinker and he's under restrictions; he's not allowed in his lab without supervision.

Also note that he adds the attention-deflector detector to it on Getaway's request.

Skids and Getaway are two of the more capable people on the ship and are in the know about Brainstorm, so suffice as 'watchers'. If they're even there in that regard.

Getway has been shown to be a manipulative SoB and so him acting chill around Brainstorm could well be a facade (either just to get the tech he wanted, or as part of his general 'keep 'em onside' behaviour)...as could have his noticeably dramatic reaction to finding out he was a traitor in the first place.

That's some pretty good thinking there King Mob. Beats my ideas anyway.

Auntie Slag
2015-06-06, 12:06 PM
I didnít get on with this issue at all initially. It felt exactly like one of those Star Trek: TNG filler episodes, you know, one or two people solve the ship-wide infection, hit the reset button at the end and move on. And thatís unduly harsh. I should have reacted the same way to the Delphi story but didnít, and that has had plenty of repercussions since. Thereís no reason to think elements of this story wonít affect future stories either, that is the way the writer works.

And going back over it has given it more of a fun theme. I feel Swerve is likeable again after hitting his low at the beginning of the Megatron arc. Like KingMob said; the crew donít know it was Brainstormís doing that poisoned them, so donít the majority blame Swerve instead, which is another reason why everyoneís off at Mirageís bar?

I like the fact that Bluestreak sticks with him, though.

The cover was irritating. I just donít like the whole Femmebot concept, and this goes back to the 80ís cartoons. I know their existence has been explained with the whole Camina thing, but Iíd still much rather we had issues about Scraplets or Donny Finkleberg or something.

Iím intrigued as to who that massive guy is standing behind Groove when Rodimus hits the gong. Heís kind of orangey with a winch on his waist. Makes me wonder whether thatís the first appearance of Spoke or Lockstock (although Spoke may turn into a bicycle, or a robot Vulcan).

The only robots who appear immune to the germs/egg-things are the Caminus femmebots, so perhaps the solution to the problem lies with them, if First Aid can discover it before he succumbs to the infection?

The final panel is pretty cool too, it reminds me of a mashup between the City of the Dead story from Marvel (featuring Magnus, Flame & the Wreckers), and the IDW Insecticon infestation two-parter with Jazz, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe & Bumper vs. Insecticon clones in small US town (always liked that story).

Really happy if this remains a First Aid, Ravage & Minimus centric story. Iíve wanted more Ravage character treatment ever since The Enemy Within. Heís been painfully underused since then.

Death's Head
2015-06-06, 10:25 PM
Yeah, more Ravage is always a good thing. More Roberts' Ravage, in any case!

Auntie Slag
2015-06-07, 08:23 PM
I wondered if the infection was aided by excess activity, the dancing in this case, and the only reason I say that is because Getaway has been infected whereas Nightbeat hasn't. That's further negated by the fact that Countdown died shortly after arriving onboard with no time for dancing.

Where is the rest of ThunderClash's crew?

Any, lots of little touches to appreciate in this issue too:

- Rodimus' 'Weve Achieved Something' sign.

- Whirl in the audience looking like he couldn't care less.

- Doublecross annoying... who I think is Repugnus?

- The Protectobots (Groove & Streetwise) doing some groovy dancing, and Hotspot with a sort of gleeful look like a happy parent.

- The Thunderclash signature on the Select-A-View wall panel behind Nautical & Skids.

One thing that interests me is why Ravage is seemingly 'sparking' all over his body when he leaps over Nightbeat & Getaway. Is this the infectious eggs attacking his nanoscopic attention deflectors? Are they doing this to prevent themselves being revealed & eradicated? (I'm assuming the eggs could be seen on a robot who has deflector tech).

I wonder if they are a mutated form of Scraplet. Mutated by... A reanimated Pharma in a dress?

Auntie Slag
2015-06-11, 08:40 PM
Just found out the big orange guy standing behind Groove is an Action Master called Rollout (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rollout_(G1)).

So still no visual confirmation on Spoke & Lockstock as yet!

[Edit] Rollout's Action Master partner is a guy called Glitch. I wonder if there's any possibility that he could have a link to Glitch from Pax's Outlier team? I'm sure you could argue not based on the Prowl/Dent thing, and the fact that Skids has had no interaction with Rollout when there's a chance they may be familiar with each other, what with Skids also being an Outlier and Glitch nowhere to be seen in the present.