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Terome
2015-06-24, 12:04 PM
Collects Transformers: Windblade #4-7 (#1-3 collected in Combiner Wars event).

- ziggy

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It's out and I've read it!

More later but I really enjoyed this. Now that all the Combiner Wars guff has been cleared away there is time to put together an actual story. It's a gloriously golden-age SF story with a planet full of racecars that live in racecar cities. Knock-Out was great, Moonracer was great, Blurr was great and Windblade got to act like a protagonist again.

Art by Howell was lovely too. Less flashy but more consistent than Scott. I particularly like how they draw Flamefeather (That is Flamefeather, right?) The colours by Thomas Deer really worked too. Have we seen Deer before?

Encouraging!

Rack 'n Ruin
2015-06-24, 12:33 PM
I know Sparkstalker is in this. Could that be the Firecon you mean? Not read it beyond the preview though...

Terome
2015-06-24, 12:36 PM
Yeah, a quick check of TFWiki corrects me to Sparkstalker. Turns out he's been kicking around the background for a while, he's a proper secondary character in these books.

Nice that he's drinking with Slag, who he once burned a planet to try and kill.

Rack 'n Ruin
2015-06-24, 02:54 PM
Yeah, a quick check of TFWiki corrects me to Sparkstalker. Turns out he's been kicking around the background for a while, he's a proper secondary character in these books.

Nice that he's drinking with Slag, who he once burned a planet to try and kill.

And yet I'd never drink with a colleague from our Sales team...

inflatable dalek
2015-06-24, 08:12 PM
I enjoyed this as well. It was back to doing what the first series did so well: A fairly sensible look at politics doused with a pleasing vein of silliness.

After it's been handled badly since the end of the first series, it was nice to see some subtlety added back to the Chromia and Windblade relationship. She doesn't trust Chromia to handle those Decepticons, but equally trusts her more than the badgeless so just makes a "No violence!" statement and then flies off so she doesn't have to see anything that follows. Very nicely done.

Plus, what a glorious bastard is Knock Out?

Whilst it made sense for RID (as it was dealing with the direct fall out of Prowl), I have no idea why this is branded as a Combiner Wars Epilogue. It's effectively Part 1 of a brand new story. It'll be a shame if that puts people off giving it a punt.

Denyer
2015-06-24, 09:02 PM
It has. What I've seen of CW (the fiction) has been shit, not to put too fine a point. And this is presumably going to be collected with it.

edit: Found, skimmed. Different kind of silly to MTMTE and the art doesn't help IMO.

Terome
2015-06-24, 09:05 PM
And yet I'd never drink with a colleague from our Sales team...

They should stick to their own kind!

and then flies off so she doesn't have to see anything that follows.

Didn't spot that. Very dark.

Plus, what a glorious bastard is Knock Out?

I like that Starscream has become Prime Starscream and I love that Knock-Out has hopped over from the show totally intact. And the mention of (possibly) Breakdown is unexpectedly sweet.

It'll be a shame if that puts people off giving it a punt.

Yeah I was scratching my head at that too. I guess that the average reader is more excited by that sort of thing than I thought? Who knows?

Red Dave Prime
2015-06-24, 09:25 PM
Started off a bit wobbily but by the end I found myself more than a little curious for whats coming next. The planet full of racers seemed far too simplistic but I guess I shouldnt make assumptions.

I'm not a fan of the art as such - its really not my bag. Its too cartoony and I find it odd writing that as I love Roche, Stone etc but the art here is a little too messy in its execution for me. Not terrible, and I can follow it fine so it wont put me off but I think I wont be a fan anytime soon.

Rack 'n Ruin
2015-06-25, 06:29 AM
Started off a bit wobbily but by the end I found myself more than a little curious for whats coming next. The planet full of racers seemed far too simplistic but I guess I shouldnt make assumptions.

I'm not a fan of the art as such - its really not my bag. Its too cartoony and I find it odd writing that as I love Roche, Stone etc but the art here is a little too messy in its execution for me. Not terrible, and I can follow it fine so it wont put me off but I think I wont be a fan anytime soon.

The Velocitron concept seems to be lifted directly from the Cybertron cartoon series. I expect other colonies may also end up "inspired" by pre-existing concepts.

Terome
2015-06-25, 07:39 PM
It has. What I've seen of CW (the fiction) has been shit, not to put too fine a point. And this is presumably going to be collected with it.

edit: Found, skimmed. Different kind of silly to MTMTE and the art doesn't help IMO.
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Fair do. What did you make of the Player of Games lift? It's pretty blatant - planet-wide ring of fire and all - but I like Player of Games so why not?

Am I the only one who digs the art then? Because I am all over it.

Red Dave Prime
2015-06-26, 12:59 AM
so
Fair do. What did you make of the Player of Games lift? It's pretty blatant - planet-wide ring of fire and all - but I like Player of Games so why not?

Am I the only one who digs the art then? Because I am all over it.

I think my problem with the art is that its too far out from the general art that the IDW continuity uses. Odd as it probably is, I can see Roche, Milne, Livio and Stones art all somewhat connected but I found this went that little bit beyond. As standalone art, its absolutely fine and as a one shot or off continuity series I wouldn't have a problem. I'd have the same issue if Tom Scioli started drawing as part of the regular series - and I really like his stuff in TF vs GI Joe

Terome
2015-06-26, 12:13 PM
Yeah okay, I can see how it could be seen as a departure. To my eye it's got a lot in common with Stone and only really differs from Roche in terms of line width and ambition. Roche is very keen to show off his fancy compositions while this is quite pedestrian in a way that's nearly refreshing. I get the impression that Scott's TV background has put her in the habit of leaving most of the composition and framing to the artist.

inflatable dalek
2015-06-26, 01:39 PM
It has. What I've seen of CW (the fiction) has been shit, not to put too fine a point. And this is presumably going to be collected with it.



Yeah I was scratching my head at that too. I guess that the average reader is more excited by that sort of thing than I thought? Who knows?

I feel sorry for any big Combiner Wars fan who picked this up looking for the next exciting issue of everyone talking about how amazing combiners are whilst they fall over each other and characters who aren't Protectobots stand in the place of Protectobots (I'll let it go, one day...), they'll have met a massive let down.

The art didn't bother me at all. It did feel like for of the early MTMTE fill in art where the sub would try a bit too hard to be Milne. I've not encountered this artist before so maybe it was their normal style, but it felt "Stone-ish" to me. Still perfectly fine though.

As for the "Planet ruled by who wins the races" idea, it wasn't any sillier than the resolution to the plot in this week's other comic.

Denyer
2015-06-26, 06:30 PM
so
Fair do. What did you make of the Player of Games lift? It's pretty blatant - planet-wide ring of fire and all - but I like Player of Games so why not?
I like PoG (it's a good IMB primer for new readers before moving on to something like Excession) but it extensively sets up the conceits and contrast with the Culture -- even without detailing the game's mechanics -- right down to Marain, which barely gets mentioned elsewhere. It wouldn't work if not presented with some seriousness.

Whereas as a throwaway panel with cutesy art Velocitron could be a Titan or OTFCC comic.

Terome
2015-07-30, 12:37 PM
I found this one pretty charming.

It's definitely from the pen of someone who knows their way around a kid's TV show though I thought the art / scripting on the race sequence didn't really sell it. The designs of the racers and the traps were bland. I can imagine a fairly sparse script and an overworked illustrator being to blame - I'd imagine that in TV you just write a thing and then an entire animation company brings it to life. With comics you have to be very specific or be blessed with a very proficient and fast artist with which to spin your straw into gold.

The Titan with dementia was a nice hook - again it seems like a cribbing of Banks but it works here.

I have no idea what is going on in the last panel. There's a dun-dun-daaa moment about the 'guests' but I haven't the foggiest what Starscream is talking about.

Selkadoom
2015-07-30, 08:23 PM
I myself also enjoyed the issue. I also enjoyed even the natives of the planet finding that their system of rules was stupid as well as the dementia titan. As for the cliff hanger, the Wiki was indicating that its Eukaris, the beast planet.

inflatable dalek
2015-07-31, 04:13 PM
I enjoyed that, fluffy and fun and lots of nice stuff for everyone, and with the main City being a Titan it actually makes sense of why they would live on the move like that.

But it does suffer from being the first issue after the cancellation. This book is suddenly (effectively as the first three issues are going to be in the Combiner Wars trade) a four issue mini-series and it's still being written as an ongoing. That I think will cause problems when it's read in book form.

Selkadoom
2015-08-01, 01:48 AM
(God can't believe i posted in the wrong thread)

A bit off topic but a thought occurs to me and led me to some speculation. Do we have any guesses who other inhabitants of the Animal planet are? We gonna see more Cybertron chars? More classic BW ones? Even Neo or II Chars?

inflatable dalek
2015-08-01, 01:47 PM
How about Dino Force? That'd be fun and pleasingly mental (and sigh, be made to tie in with the Combination thing).

Unicron
2015-08-01, 03:05 PM
How about the Alligatorcon built out of old Optimus parts? Or Sharkticons

Selkadoom
2015-08-01, 10:58 PM
Actually forgot the Predacon team. They have a preexisting combiner already it seems. And Predaking is always a nice one to see since he's the only normally coherent con combiner

Edit: though it also seems they've been mothballed on Cybertron. So this coyld be a chance to see them shine. Other than that besides Beast Wars theres the handful Cybertron introduced and maybevthe Dini Force or Sharkticons as the others speculated.

Selkadoom
2015-08-12, 08:36 AM
Bit of a side note but I figured I'd bring up that there were apparently 12 colonies titans out there and we have knowledge of at least 4. Those being Velocitron, Eukaris, Prion, and Elita Ones. Any other guesses on what we might see in the future?

Death's Head
2015-08-12, 10:09 AM
There's a colony called Prion? That's scrapie the bottom of the barrel.

Terome
2015-08-12, 01:40 PM
There's a colony called Prion? That's scrapie the bottom of the barrel.

HIGH FIVE!

inflatable dalek
2015-08-12, 04:19 PM
Planet Kiss Players?

Selkadoom
2015-08-12, 07:24 PM
There's a colony called Prion? That's scrapie the bottom of the barrel.

Its Nickle's homeworld. Was completely leveled by organics.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-19, 08:29 PM
The basic problem of issue 5 remains in that this has the misfortune of having been written as an issue of an ongoing whilst it's been published as the penultimate part of a four issue miniseries.

It also suffers from the fact I suspect we'd all rather have a proper (and also good) Beast Wars comic rather than shoving strange altered versions into G1.

But: Of itself it works fine. A fun breezy read that has Starscream killing a flying giant golden bird at the end. Fab. Not hugely full of depth, and I suspect people who thought the "Planet govourned by who is fastest" was too childish won't like the "Planet where people are divided by whether they walk, fly or swim" (it's amusing that in Depth Charge they've included a character whose original counterpart would completely **** their system by being able to fly and swim*!), but overall I found it just a nice comic.

Also one thing I don't think I've said so far, Scott writes Rattrap much better than Barber did. None of that "Udder" phonetic stuff here.

Oh, and this issue apparently retcons Empire of Stone with its completely different take on Vanquish (which was actually set up in the first miniseries before Empire came out. You'd almost think McCarthy was a law unto himself). Go Windblade!



*And of course walk. But they seem to only be counting Beast-mode abilities.

Selkadoom
2015-08-19, 10:34 PM
I think you summed it up quite nicely Dalek. That being said I enjoy the world of twins as it seems at least mildly unique. Also the back and forths between Windblade and Screamer are quite nice.

Terome
2015-08-20, 09:27 AM
Now that Scott has been a lot more explicit about her intention behind this series - she wants to unlock a ton of previously-inaccessible characters - this all makes a lot more sense. It's an issue made entirely of laying pipe.

The Titan fight was pretty cool. Extending the metrotitan concept to a bird sleeping under a volcano is interesting. I like the idea of Starscream just flying into someone's brain and lobotomising them without breaking a sweat.

The tribe system and the standard-formers/beast-formers thing was dumb as hell. Sounds like they would respond vigorously to a dose of Decepticonism. Was the implication that Rattrap was from Eukaris originally?

Count me in with everybody who likes the planet full of sweet little Micromaster combiners. That one also doesn't make much sense - it was a binary star system so they are all twins?

I'm sure more SF-minded writers can go back and make something of these societies. For now, the original goal of extending the universe seems to be going well.

Red Dave Prime
2015-08-20, 12:23 PM
I'm sure more SF-minded writers can go back and make something of these societies. For now, the original goal of extending the universe seems to be going well.

Yeah, I was thinking that. There is a real potential to expand the universe here but what is niggling me a bit is that I dont think Scotts writing syncs with the other two main writers. Not that Barber and Roberts are so in line, but the windblade stuff (both the original and the current series) feel like more of a throwbck in their simplicity. Its not helped by an art style that while fine really sticks out. You're getting a lot of new characters introduced and I think a better (hmm, that sounds harsh) artist would work.

But dont misunderstand me, I didnt find the issue terrible. Just feel a slightness to Scotts stuff which would sit better alongside McCarthy or Costa (thats not meant to be the backhanded compliment it reads like, I swear) rather than the more complex stuff that Roberts and Barber are aiming for.

Terome
2015-08-20, 12:32 PM
It's true, this does seem slighter and perhaps skewed younger. I'm okay with that though because at the end of the day it means that Dinobot or whoever can pop up in MTMTE without the need for a whole song and dance to be made. The specifics of Beast Planet culture aren't terribly important - just that some exist to be played with later on.

I wonder if Till All Are One will be more obviously targeted at younger readers. There's room enough for something like that. The resemblance to the Robots in Disguise animated show and the presence of Windblade, who has an important role in that show, can't hurt either.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-20, 02:58 PM
I'd say it's a little more straightforward (though as the basic format is the villain and hero are having to work together in an uneasy alliance where the former is the legitimate government and the later is potentially going to overthrow them is hardly standard kids stuff), but that probably says more for how dense the other two comics are than being a slight against this.

Now it's been fully confirmed in ExRID that Starscream sees dead people, I suspect that book is heading for some sort of a climax with his storyline, one that might see a drastically different status quo for the new book.

Death's Head
2015-08-25, 12:20 PM
Its Nickle's homeworld. Was completely leveled by organics.

It's just occurred to me that James doesn't name things by accident - so there must be a reason her homeworld is called Prion. It can't just be so I can make an appalling joke.

Selkadoom
2015-08-25, 04:25 PM
It's just occurred to me that James doesn't name things by accident - so there must be a reason her homeworld is called Prion. It can't just be so I can make an appalling joke.

Perhaps after Virus prions?

inflatable dalek
2015-08-25, 09:26 PM
Though it's equally possible James didn't name the planet, the colonies and their world building seems to be very much a team effort.

Selkadoom
2015-09-27, 03:42 PM
We never got around to making one of these did we? Well I suppose We could all gripe about/compliement it here then

Red Dave Prime
2015-09-28, 01:25 AM
Kinda thought I was the only one still reading this. Still dislike the style of art but this was one of the better issues, even though it kinda just ends and with the change in name and relaunch in the new year it seems like this series has been a bit of a flop. For me, it's too simplistic in its approach but the overall arc and ideas are interesting. I think the moving away from a single character focus will help and I'm curious how much room they'll allow for Scotts ideas.

Selkadoom
2015-09-28, 05:09 AM
Kinda thought I was the only one still reading this. Still dislike the style of art but this was one of the better issues, even though it kinda just ends and with the change in name and relaunch in the new year it seems like this series has been a bit of a flop. For me, it's too simplistic in its approach but the overall arc and ideas are interesting. I think the moving away from a single character focus will help and I'm curious how much room they'll allow for Scotts ideas.

I keep tabs on it if only for my Starscream fix and I admit that Its not as good as it could be but the ideas for these colonys hold some water to me and I enjoy seeing Windblade and Screamer play the intrigue game against each other with pulling in different world's

inflatable dalek
2015-09-28, 07:19 AM
The art felt very rushed this month, after enjoying Howell's work on the series thus far a lot of the panels looked either half-finished or over stylised. I don't know if this was the result of last minute changes to try and wrap the series up; just general deadlines catching up or simply the artist flexing their own style a bit more after inheriting a look from Stone and it just not working for me.

In the issue itself, I really liked the Starscream/Windblade stuff, which nicely continued Scott's strength of dealing with Cybertron stuff along "I know you're a bastard, but we've got to move beyond treating each other as bastards if we're going to have peace" lines.

I also liked the bait and switch over Elita One and the THRONE OF DEAD AUTOBOTS that made me groan so much when reading the last bit of Combiner Wars. The idea they're just maximising limited resources and paying tribute to their heroes by using them as furniture was brilliantly daft and yet yet still made a warped sort of sense. Hopefully whatever DARK SECRET she's holding won't undermine this.

The real problem, and I've been saying this for four issues now, is that this is an ongoing suddenly turned into a miniseries and that hurts the structure of the whole thing. There's not really a resolution to anything and basically it just sort of stops. Obviously it was too late to avoid this even if changes were made to try and tighten things up, but I do wonder if Till All Are One will be hampered by being Windblade 2 issue 8 rather than the fresh start a series completely kyboshed from the off by the structural flaws in Combiner Wars needs.

Oh, and that cliffhanger was terrible. "Here we are, a bunch of guys who've never interacted with him in IDW continuity are really pissed about the death of Swindle! Just in time for his resurrection and for all of us to promote out Combiner Wars toys! Because launching this series with a Combiner Wars promotion worked out so well, let's do it with the next one as well!"

Selkadoom
2015-09-29, 12:34 AM
Upon second reading I have to agree with Dalek on how the art does seem to be rather subpar at times in this one and overdone at others.

As for Carcer and its crew I was happy to see Obsidian and Strika and that lovely cheesy line about Terminating, but on the whole I enjoy the silliness of each of the different groups and the whole heros into coffee tables thing is enjoyably stupid.

Though I am curious how deep they'll dig into the unused franchises and characters for the colonys