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Denyer
2015-08-25, 09:11 PM
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Hasbro_Modern_Fan_2015

For what it's worth, have given honest answers to the 3P questions. And it finishes on an illustration from the The Great Car Rally storybook.

Tantrum
2015-08-25, 11:59 PM
That survey took a while. It was kind of annoying that the questions with a number answer only allowed digits. I wanted to put "a few hundred" for how many I own, but that got rejected, as did "100+". Questions about cost couldn't parse out the dollar sign. Only allowing digits is going to make answers from other countries with different currencies unreliable.

I worked 4 or 5 requests for CW Deluxe Groove into my answers. My response to the question about my favorite story from the films was, "The films had stories?" Other than that, my answers were pretty much what they were looking for.

They had the standard boilerplate about allowing Hasbro to contact you, but I didn't see anywhere to input contact information. I'd've given them my junk e-mail address to see if they responded.

Unicron
2015-08-26, 12:15 AM
That took some time. Nice to see they're actually looking for input from fans, or at least think it important enough to give the appearance.

I too gave my honest opinion on the '3rd party' stuff. Didn't think to work in Deluxe Groove though. Think I went with Not Applicable to favorite story from the films.
Gave shout outs to RID Scourge, Punch/Counterpunch, and Quickswitch as characters that could use a comeback and more/any characterization.

I did use the Worst Aspect and 'One question you'd ask the team' questions to bitch about distribution, and even worked in a bit about Europe getting screwed on CW Wave 2 in response to a different question.

I was annoyed about the number only answer for some of the questions. I'd have rather given a rough range than a solid number on amount spent or number owned. Thinking about it, I probably undershot my guess on number owned by a lot. I haven't counted in... ever.

Tetsuro
2015-08-26, 04:49 PM
And if my favourite toyline is G1, the questions about missing/overrepresented characters don't really seem to apply :p

Denyer
2015-08-26, 06:37 PM
That survey took a while. It was kind of annoying that the questions with a number answer only allowed digits. I wanted to put "a few hundred" for how many I own, but that got rejected, as did "100+". Questions about cost couldn't parse out the dollar sign. Only allowing digits is going to make answers from other countries with different currencies unreliable.

Yeah. Plus like others I don't keep track of value or counts, and probably under-estimated.

Didn't think of many "must have" characters, if any, that I recall. Not the way I collect, which is just to pick up things that appeal. After years of homages and now 3P stuff around, there's not much that hasn't been done at least once.

Warcry
2015-08-26, 07:35 PM
For what it's worth, have given honest answers to the 3P questions.
I was really surprised to even see that section in there, let alone that it called out specific third-party groups. Doesn't admitting that other companies are using your characters and not doing anything to stop them weaken your IP protection? Or does that only apply to things like logos, trademarks and such?

Nice to know that they're trying to understand the craze, though.

That survey took a while. It was kind of annoying that the questions with a number answer only allowed digits. I wanted to put "a few hundred" for how many I own, but that got rejected, as did "100+". Questions about cost couldn't parse out the dollar sign. Only allowing digits is going to make answers from other countries with different currencies unreliable.
Yeah, speaking as someone who programs surveys for a living...this one wasn't the greatest. That's what happens when you make your own with SurveyMonkey instead of hiring a professional, though. :)

And if my favourite toyline is G1, the questions about missing/overrepresented characters don't really seem to apply :p
Same for me with Beast Wars. The only response I could think of was "Ravage". A lot of the questions seemed to be written with the assumption that everyone's favourite toyline was going to be one of the ones that are currently ongoing.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-26, 08:05 PM
I was really surprised to even see that section in there, let alone that it called out specific third-party groups. Doesn't admitting that other companies are using your characters and not doing anything to stop them weaken your IP protection? Or does that only apply to things like logos, trademarks and such?

Wouldn't imagine so. I mean acknowledging the practise is a pretty key component in any attempt to shut it down.

Of course there's the argument that "you knew and did nothing" is tacit approval or whatever, but the whole thing's muddy anyway. The third party lot aren't using Hasbro's specific designs, Hasbro don't own the concept of transforming robots, their brand names and trademarks aren't being used. I think the law (over here anyway) in regards to "passing off" basically boils down to "could an idiot in a hurry mistake this for the real thing", which is probably a no as the packaging isn't really that similar and the price point is prohibitive in that regards.

So I think it basically boils down to whether they've got the vague character likeness copyrighted. Which is probably too much effort to get into. So long as the 3P companies operate at ridiculous price points and don't slap Autobot/Decepticon logos on things, it's likely just not worth the hassle. And it stops Hasbro getting constantly harassed to do Masterpiece Sixshot / re-release Shockwave, etc etc.

Sorry what was the question?

Skyquake87
2015-08-26, 09:32 PM
I has dome this and filled in my brain thoughts! And what you peeps said about the currency and stuffs.

I'd be interested to see the outcome of this, what groups said what etc etc. Hope its made public, even if Hasbro do nothing with it.

Unicron
2015-08-26, 09:58 PM
Did anyone else pick the Fandom as a choice for both the Best and Worst aspects questions?

Warcry
2015-08-26, 10:06 PM
Yep, same here.

Denyer
2015-08-26, 10:27 PM
Don't think so... can't remember, and can't get back to the aggregate results to remind what the options were. I suspect I ticked the "it's usually pointless trying to find things at retail in this country" box, or nearest equivalent.

Knightdramon
2015-08-26, 10:37 PM
Did anyone else pick the Fandom as a choice for both the Best and Worst aspects questions?

Picked it as the worst.

Seems that hasbro has been reading the boards due to some of their questions/choices.

Gave them a grilling about the club services to non-USA members, hasbro's attitude with waves towards non USA habitants, and asked for various stuff in-fiction.

Would love to see how on earth they figure out the "how much did you spend" boxes later on, considering it only lets you put a number in. Currency based on domicile?

Sades
2015-08-27, 08:16 AM
Best/worst. I like myself, and I like most of you people, but (imo, as with humanity in general) there are also some people within our fandom who sometimes really seem to need to get their heads out of their asses.

My most wanted toy was third party. I was just being honest...

inflatable dalek
2015-08-27, 02:17 PM
Filling it in now...

"Are the majority of your purchases from local or international online retailers?
(i.e. are you importing figures from overseas?)"

shouldn't have a "Yes" or "No" answer should it? Well, the bit in brackets should but that's not what the main body of the question is asking...

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-27, 03:03 PM
Filling it in now...

"Are the majority of your purchases from local or international online retailers?
(i.e. are you importing figures from overseas?)"

shouldn't have a "Yes" or "No" answer should it? Well, the bit in brackets should but that's not what the main body of the question is asking...

Those are two completely different questions.

There are local online retailers. There are international online retailers. Local online retailers can stock locally purchased stock as well as imported product.

You're only importing yourself if you're buying from an international online retailer. If you're classing a purchase from a local retailer as an import then you'd have to do the same with whatever you pick up from Toys R Us because it sure as hell wasn't made in this country.

MAKES NO SENSE.

GRARGH.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-27, 05:55 PM
Right, I've completed this now.

One of those early questions (I can't remember which) could have done with a "I do this occasionally and it really annoys me" option rather than going straight from "I don't do this" to "I do this occasionally and enjoy it".

Again, really quite frank regarding 3P. Nice that they're so keen to get information about peoples habits and reasoning. I mentioned that, even if they increased their scope for figures, 3P would just move onto other characters.

Didn't know what to ask the team at the end, so posed the good old horse-sized duck question to give em a break from complaints.

Denyer
2015-08-27, 07:00 PM
Just said thanks for having one of the least antagonistic approaches to fans amongst brands, and something tangential about harder science fiction and big boxy robot dinosaurs both being part of the appeal.

Skyquake87
2015-08-27, 08:34 PM
I think the worstest thing I put was the Waves thing too, and echoed Knightdramon's comments about the Club. I did comment where boxes would allow on everything too (because I'm like that) and was also honest about 3P ..in that I don't care for it.

I also put something in about how nice Hasbro are to bother engaging with fans and my final big ask was for Hasbro to put Beast Wars out , in full, on Region 2 DVD/ Blu Ray / something formats.

There was a question about what I'd like to see, so I just went for saying something fresh and innovative as it just feels a bit like we're coasting on G1 retreads and Movie guff at the moment.

Knightdramon
2015-08-27, 09:40 PM
There was a question about what I'd like to see, so I just went for saying something fresh and innovative as it just feels a bit like we're coasting on G1 retreads and Movie guff at the moment.

Without derailing the thread a lot, this is something I touched upon as well, and further expanded on it...

Much like Star Trek and Star Wars, the story, premise and setting has a scope to be a grand epic sci-fi series. You get the war, you get Megatron, you get Prime...yet every few years all we get is a continuity reset, and oh well, here we go again...

The only time I really felt the series expand was the transition from G1 to BW. It's an ongoing war, these robots are basically immortals...why not centre one series [first one] on Prime and Megatron, and the sequel series gets to time jump 100-200 years forward, with new heroes fighting elsewhere, and new technology into play, etc etc...

It's a really basic idea that works for other franchises. Macross has a single continuity that spans over 50 years in length, and you actually get to see technological advances, war on other fronts, and characters from earlier shows getting older/older and on other places in the galaxy, etc etc.

Derailing over :wave:

Denyer
2015-08-27, 09:53 PM
Not derailing. Speculative fluff got into mine as well, specifically the old chestnut of the characters being functionally immortal and existing for periods of time humans can't really get their heads around. And changing very little for aliens referred to as Transformers.

Warcry
2015-08-27, 10:02 PM
Derailing over :wave:
That's what you think!

I touched on a similar idea, though I approached it more from a toyline perspective. I commented on how the newer lines all seem very "safe" from a character design and toy-engineering perspective. I used Beast Wars as my example of what I'd like to see more off -- oddball robots with unconventional transformations -- but the early movie lines provided a lot of the same things as well. Even G1 could be an example too, with so many different robots sourced from so many different original lines followed up by a pile of varying gimmick sublines.

It just seems that in general, as Transformers has become more and more of a successful juggernaut of a franchise, Hasbro has become more and more conservative in how they manage it on all fronts. The toys and the media have both been boxed in by convention to a greater extent than they were in the dark days when the brand's popularity was on the wane.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-27, 10:04 PM
I said I'd like a proper Generations Nightbeat.

Sades
2015-08-27, 10:25 PM
I'm pretty sure I suggested a new Gnaw...

inflatable dalek
2015-08-27, 10:29 PM
I'm pretty sure I suggested a new Gnaw...

Well, if they listen to us that'll be Nightbeat and Gnaw as the next two repaints out of Alpha Bravo.

Sades
2015-08-27, 10:35 PM
Well, if they listen to us that'll be Nightbeat and Gnaw as the next two repaints out of Alpha Bravo.

It'd work, just change the colours and the head, brand new ****ing toy!

inflatable dalek
2015-08-27, 10:41 PM
I was so tempted to suggest a team where the limbs were all Alpha Bravo repaints. With Silverbolt (they could stick a couple of helicopter blades on his back) as the torso of course.

Thunderwave
2015-08-28, 02:09 AM
I was so tempted to suggest a team where the limbs were all Alpha Bravo repaints. With Silverbolt (they could stick a couple of helicopter blades on his back) as the torso of course.

Retool Silverbolt into Highbrow. Who gives a fig if Highbrow wasn't a combiner. I mean, after all, neither was Sky Lynx.

inflatable dalek
2015-08-28, 11:34 AM
The other question that confused me was in the 3P bit where, if you selected (paraphrasing here) "It depends on if they release characters I'm interested in" in response to "Will you continue to buy 3P toys?" you were asked to elaborate.

What needed elaborating? If they don't release toys I'm interested in I can't buy them.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-28, 11:39 AM
To be fair, I think that's because some people buy absolutely everything regardless of whether they like it or not. You know this is true.

You'll all be delighted to know I embraced the stereotype and answered the "what would you like to see more of question" by just typing Flywheels over and over until I got bored. I am nothing if not a caricature of myself.

Warcry
2015-08-28, 01:33 PM
I think they were hoping for you to specify which characters?

I don't think they quite realize that quality is as big a factor as who the toy is, though. The "Would you stop buying 3P if Hasbro vastly increased its output?" question seemed to operate under the assumption that we're all mad completists, and I had to explain that they already make tons of crap I don't want now and that the best way to get people to stop spending money on 3P stuff would be to make better toys, not necessarily more toys. Pumping out twice as many one step changers isn't going to make the slightest dent in things.

Brendocon 2.0
2015-08-28, 01:54 PM
I basically pointed out that, even if Hasbro expanded its output, the 3Ps would probably just shift to doing other characters. The back catalogue of characters is just too vast for anybody to effectively cover, so there's always going to be a market for these guys to fill.

It's a shame that there wasn't more scope for selecting multiple answers on certain questions. While I'm primarily only in the 3P market for characters who don't have an official release in the sort of size I'm after, there being a "proper" product doesn't automatically mean I won't buy the 3P version if I think it's better.

Ironhide's a good example of this. While I don't have a real problem with the MP design, the Voodoo one (so far) looks preferable. But that's going to come down to final product QC, reviews and comparative cost. So yeah, I'd prefer to buy the official one, but it's a case-by-case judgement call.