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dura
2016-05-16, 04:55 AM
I really liked the 80's Filmation He-man and She-ra cartoons. Those were masterpieces. They don't make quality cartoons like those anymore.

Denyer
2016-05-16, 07:26 AM
You'll probably appreciate James's book when it's out;

http://www.amazon.com/He-Man-She-Ra-Complete-Animated-Adventures/dp/1506700640/

On balance always preferred the mini-comics and UK comics with MOTU, but did watch MOTU/POP -- it tended to talk down to kids, though, particularly with the PSA stuff, which TFs (although equally hack writing a lot of the time) didn't. Much.

dura
2016-05-16, 05:05 PM
Filmation had the best-looking and best-drawn characters.

I'm glad they added She-ra next to He-man on the cover. It was originally only He-man. She-ra was more powerful than He-man, and perhaps even stronger.

I like the PSA for "Horde Prime Takes a Holiday" where He-man and She-ra are standing in the Eternos Palace courtyard warning kids about child molesters. That was gutsy.

I hate Loreal for shutting down Filmation. I want more Filmation He-man and She-ra episodes more than anything else. He-man and She-ra still need to free Etheria, and Adora needs to go back with Adam to Eternia to serve as Princess.

Denyer
2016-05-16, 07:06 PM
Yeah, they did have good moments. And POP was generally a better show in premise and tone. I'm not sure I'd trust modern writers with continuation though -- these days the tendency is to make everything more grimdark, whereas POP managed to strike a balance despite being pioneering for a show with a toyline that had comb-able hair.

Although maybe we're coming out of the grimdark with the new Voltron show.

dura
2016-05-17, 01:29 AM
Why couldn't She-ra have gone on longer? Should they have just continued He-man and added She-ra? It was so good; it should not have ended.

dura
2016-05-18, 04:54 PM
The 90's Spider-man The Animated was the best Spider-man cartoon ever, yet much of fandom rarely talks about it.

Skyquake87
2016-05-18, 06:40 PM
Possibly because its dated quite badly, unfortunately. Whilst the '90s X-Men Cartoon is pretty awesome, boiling down 30 years of moping xenophobia allegoric comics into all the good bits, Spidey (along with the Marvel Action Hour stuff) suffers a bit from an aesthetic that's dated quite badly. It's also quite Hammy and silly.

Personally, I like the cheap and cheerful Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends. But then I heart Firestar.

Still get a kick out of Batman : The Animated Series (er, or at least Seasons 1 & 2 that got released over here), which stands up remarkably well and doesn't feel old in the same way a lot of other cartoon shows. Timeless, that's the word. And it gave us Harley Quinn, so hooray for that :)

As for He-Man, it did get the New Adventures series which I remember being very good (although I haven't seen it since it was broadcast over here in the very early '90s) and the 200X series was decent, but crammed too much into its Third Series (possibly as cancellation loomed as the nostalgia boom of the early 2000s quickly died off).

dura
2016-05-18, 07:26 PM
Some fans say Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Batman Beyond, Teen Titan, and Superman: The Animated series all eclipsed Batman: The Animated Series.

Skyquake87
2016-05-18, 08:10 PM
Some may, but I've not watched those because I was looking the other way.

Denyer
2016-05-18, 08:18 PM
Tried watching Batman TAS after JLU and it felt like a step back (I do like ensemble cast stuff, though). Beware the Batman was decent. Teen Titans started out well and got too grim for taste.

dura
2016-05-18, 11:00 PM
I like "The Secret of the Sword" better than "Transformers: The Animated Movie" because no one died in it.

I was sad at the end when She-ra flew away and He-man shed a tear.

dura
2016-05-19, 02:44 AM
Filmation animation and special effects for He-man and She-ra were so crisp and clear:

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You could see the love they put into it. You can tell they really cared about what they were doing.

dura
2016-05-19, 04:31 PM
This will never be dated:

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Never :).

dura
2016-05-19, 10:37 PM
They made better toys in the 80's. You had radio-controlled cars, wind-up toys, action features. Anything battery operated was hot.

Adult collectors want to keep all of that out of our Transformers. What's wrong with have an app on your phone that connects to your robots via Bluetooth so that you can transform it, make it talk, and have it roll out?

Skyquake87
2016-05-21, 03:24 PM
for me it sucks all the fun out of transformers - 'too fatuous to do it yourself, then just press a button!'

F**King apps. One day, the end of the world will be brought about by someone tapping an app.

Denyer
2016-05-22, 01:00 AM
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.toys.transformers/euV02xOLJec

Beowoof

09/11/2004

Well! At long last I managed to perfect my temporal-displacement
machine! I'd been working on this for several months, and finally
figured out that the flux capacitor needed to be encased in old sausage
skins, thereby offsetting the porcine-Einstein equation...
Oh, listen to me, nattering on about that old stuff nobody cares about.
Unable to resist, I instantly transported myself in time to the ATT of
thirty years in the future, 2034, so I would be the first person in
THIS year to get the scoop on the latest Transformers products from
Future Hasbro! Because I am, besides being fabulously inventive, also
completely magnanimous, I copied a review from that era so you could
all read it as well. Enjoy!

. . . . .

From: Zobovor of the Five Thousand Cats (zobovor@aol.comettor)
Subject: Zob's Thoughts on TF Gigawar Deathwader
Newsgroups: alt.toys.transformers
Date: 2034-11-08 17:25:57 PST

I finally picked up Gigawar Deathwader at WalMart and raced home in my
Toyota Hovercar 2000 to open up this massive offering from Hasbro. As
many of you know, I am not interested in the Gigawar cartoon on Cartoon
Network 3D (and who would be? CN's new holo-driver totally saps the
experience that Transformers used to be about-cars that transformed
into robots! Now you can't enjoy the story when you're encased in a
totally realistic, three-dimensional environment. It's just not the
same, and the story is suffering), but I've been graciously holding off
on reviewing the toys until I could purchase one out of pocket. Now
that the kids are in college, it's not as easy to come up with $5,000
in throwaway cash as it used to be.

And before I start, remember that this is MY OPINION! I don't want to
hear anybody say anything bad about it! I'm so tired of everybody in
the fandom jumping down my throat because of every little thing I say.
So before you think about flaming me, or writing a snarky e-mail, or
even questioning what I have to say, think again. I wish I didn't hold
so much power over everybody's opinions and feelings, but I do.

First, I have to say that right off the back, I found the packaging to
be sub-par. I know that everybody was so impressed when Hasbro first
started shipping their TFs in sub-space limbo-you know, like it was
this big homage to the original series... but I have to say that I
remain unimpressed. Yes, it's nifty that all you do is open the
package and punch in the purchase code, and the toy is transported
safely to your dimension, but in the end all you have is some nifty
technology and no creativity in the packaging. Without tech specs, you
don't know anything about the character! I chalk it down to laziness
on Hasbro's part.

Now, the toy. Deathwader stands (like all the Gigawar toys) to 1:1
scale: it's approximately two stories tall and, judging from the divots
in my front lawn, weighs about 4.5 tons. It's got some nifty markings
on it and what appears to be actual carbon scoring around the front
arm-cannons that are deployed when it's out of the box. Deathwader
arrives in robot mode... you have to transform him into his PT Boat
mode. He looks, I must admit, formidable, an aesthetic that is
completely negated because some incompetent designer at Hasbro gave him
boots that resemble armored hip-waders in robot mode. This would look
ridiculous even if President Bush had NOT sold all of the country's
national parks to oil corporations in 2007. As some people pointed out
from looking at the pirated photos on e-Bay, the pilot's cabin forms
the chest, and it actually rotates on a gyro so that when you ride
inside him you are always upright... even during transformation, a
feature I didn't expect.

I'd read a lot about the manufacturing defect where the toy's
shoulder-mounted cluster rockets accidentally go off, and was amazed
when it happened to me while I was looking at the toy. QC at Hasbro
has really taken a dive since Transformers: Oil Shortage. It's one
thing to watch stuff like this happen in the holo-movies... it's
another to see nuke-nosed RPGs, black smoke trailing out behind them,
destroying your neighbor's house. A five-year old who was crossing the
street peed his pants when it happened, but that's to be expected. The
Holovid action ceased and I found it relatively easy to recover the
rockets, reset the holographic timers, and have Deathwader reload them
into his launchers.

Transformation is annoyingly simple. You either order it to transform
by voice or set it into role-play mode, where it will respond to
certain play-acting at your whim. I chose to pretend that Decepticons
were coming over the hill and that I wanted to get to safer ground, and
Deathwader responded immediately... scooping me up in his surprisingly
gentle armored claws and placing me safely inside the cockpit before
transforming.

A completely unexpected feature was the instant teleportation to the
closest large body of water. As a boat, Deathwader is, of course,
mostly effective when it's afloat, so Hasbro apparently decided I would
LIKE to take an unexpected journey without my assent. Yes, I was
instantly teleported back as soon as I expressed my displeasure, but
the fact remains that this little trip to Lake Lachrymose was akin to
kidnapping.

I was greeted, upon my return back home, by one of the neighborhood
kid's Gigawar Megatron, which immediately engaged my Deathwader in
battle on my front lawn. Deathwader, even though at a lower price
point, held its own quite well, I must say. I was a little put out
when Megatron decimated him completely with his Fusion Gigacannon in
one fell swoop (are you telling me the Autobots don't have force
fields?), but I suppose a bit player like 'wader, realistically
wouldn't hold his own. After this performance, the toys restored
themselves and exchanged consumer information and e-mail addresses so I
could, if I wished, chat with this kid online about our mutual love of
Transformers, the kid and I shook hands, and then he left. I was
amused to see that Deathwader actually seemed despondent at the loss.

The toy is, obviously, a miserable failure. First of all, nothing
about this toy to me says "Transformers." I mean, you can slap a
sticker on a pig that says "chicken" and you still don't have poultry.
Besides an utterly ridiculous name that sounds a little bit like
"dumbwaiter," Deathwader in no way resembles the Generation One toys of
my youth. There just isn't the same design, or love of the toy, that
these figures used to have. Yes, it's a working, life-sized robot that
transforms into a PT Boat... big deal. The more that Hasbro insists on
being "creative," the more they stray from what Transformers is all
about! Where are the characters that made the show terrific? Remember
when everybody always talked about Optimus Prime and Megatron in grade
school, and the story lines were so involved and you really cared about
the characters? I don't care anything at all about Deathwader, no
matter how often he washes my hovercar or takes out the garbage.

I just don't understand why Hasbro can't seem to get it together.
They've been trying my patience with this sort of crap for twenty-five
years, it seems, and still they can't get it right. Don't even get me
started on this year's fiftieth anniversary Optimus Prime. They put
all that time and effort into designing a 1:1 scale Optimus Prime that
interacts with you and is actually approved by the Federal Highway
Commission for travel... and they design it as an EXTENDED cab! It's
like they don't even care.

Clearly I won't be watching any Gigawar episodes. I am going to TRY
and make the most of things by repainting Deathwader in Seaspray
colors, even though he doesn't look anything like a hovercraft. I'd
actually be done already, but he keeps wiping the paint off as I go and
giving me stern lectures about the positive benefits of change.

Imbecile.

. . . . .

Wow! Pretty amazing, huh? Well, I'm off to the year 2045 to see if
my Sentinel Maximus has been put in the mail yet!

Cheers!

'Woof.

dura
2016-05-22, 01:48 AM
What made the 80's toys so successful.......wait for it.......action features, electronic gimmicks, motorized effects........blinking lights.......sound effects........the things that kids love. Let's inspire the scientists and engineers of the future.

Or, we could be content with getting a space shuttle mock-up and pretend to go to Mars........inspire the fiction writers of the future. I understand that this may be some people's preference.

Personally, I prefer the former.

Different strokes for different folks.

Sades
2016-05-22, 03:11 AM
I personally would like a little less of the planned obsolescence influence. ... And to possess the ability to beat a pickpocket into submission/retreat with an Optimus Primal (for example) without it falling apart. Is that too much to ask?

dura
2016-05-22, 04:31 AM
Technology moves at the speed of light. There's no time to plan for obsolescence. If Hasbro does not get on board and go with the flow and be the first to market they will be left in the dust.

They need to get with the digital age and attract the millenials by replace mechanical parts with electronic. Reformat the g1 Transformers, like Megatron was reformatted into Galvatron.

Hasbro needs to innovate and go visionary like Steve Jobs style. Bring these G1 characters into the 21st century.

I feel that the G1 franchise is being held back by the adult collectors.

Skyquake87
2016-05-22, 07:27 PM
Hasbro have dabbled with moving TFs into multi-platform areas. The recent RID toyline features scannable faction symbols that unlocks stuff on the gaming app they made to support the TV show and toyline. Whilst its no Skylanders or Disney Infinity, its a start. Personally, I think I can see them moving towards this - Legends sized characters that plug into an online world would pretty awesome for Transformers.

I don't know that old-school electronics really cut the mustard these days and eat into a lot of the budget for toy development (hence the stuff in the Armada/Energon/Cybertron era being a bit basic in comparrison to the Beast era and the original RiD).

As for dragging the G1 characters into the twenty-first century, they kind have already have. Since 2001, we've had the same key character archetypes re-imagined for each successive line of Transformers, to keep the line fresh and relevant to children. Plus, there's the live action films which have cemented Transformers as a franchise with similar legs to things like Star Wars in the eyes of the public.

Adult collectors don't really hold the line back. This has been discussed before, and folks like us make up a tiny percentage of the overall sales of TF toys and so on. We're more vocal, and Hasbro and TakaraTomy through us a bone with lines like Generations and Masterpiece, but we're not the be all and end all as far as any influence over the brand and its longevity goes.

dura
2016-05-22, 09:12 PM
I think wind-up Insection toys would be great for attracting kids into the line.

We need old-school race tracks/place set that kids can put together, place their motorized Autobots with electric brushes underneath. You press a button and watch them go, press down more to go faster and let up to slow down.

Skyquake87
2016-05-23, 07:09 PM
Really? Haven't things like Scaletrix gone the way of Hornby Trains and become a ludicrously expensive product that only men in their 50s can afford?

Those Hex Bugs seem to do alright, and Transformers have done their own versions of those.



..they don't Transform though.

dura
2016-05-23, 07:34 PM
Technology will create the demand which will create competition which will lower the price point.

For example, now almost anyone can afford getting Internet, laptops, tablets, smartphones whose electronics are way more advanced than toys.

Skyquake87
2016-05-23, 08:36 PM
Aye, but conversely, whilst technology gets cheaper, toys aren't. I think we're seeing the start of the end for physical toys, especially as personal technology gets cheaper and cheaper and if and when VR becomes a thing.

Sades
2016-05-23, 10:06 PM
Aye, but conversely, whilst technology gets cheaper, toys aren't. I think we're seeing the start of the end for physical toys, especially as personal technology gets cheaper and cheaper and if and when VR becomes a thing.

For older kids, yeah. But I think they'll always have a place when it comes to the younger set. It's important for young kids to play.

dura
2016-05-24, 12:25 AM
Kids aren't buying toys anymore. All the toy stores like KB Toys and Toys R Us are going away or have gone away.

Hasbro needs to go high-tech with their Transformers, to the point that Best Buy will sell them. Or maybe get a deal with Apple for a iTransformers line.

It's adult collectors that want their toys stripped of all tech and electronics.

It like Blackberry saying people like a physical keypad and not progress to touch screen, because some customers kept saying they hate touch screen. So Blackberry bowed to these dinosaurs and looked what happened to them.

dura
2016-05-24, 05:05 PM
The 80's were a magical time:

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Dark and gritty does not work. Watch Batman v. Superman.

Sades
2016-05-24, 06:35 PM
dura, due to the amount of double posts being made by you these past few days I'm going to have to ask that you please cut back a bit. If you really feel like adding to a thread you were the last poster in, please edit your last post. Thanks.

dura
2016-05-25, 02:51 AM
Why have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles taken off and He-man and She-ra are forever stuck in development hell?

Skyquake87
2016-05-25, 07:13 PM
Part of the thing with Turtles is that they've never really gone away. They've always gone through various updates, but kept to the core concept. Their popularity has perhaps levelled off somewhat, but they keep appealing to kids regularly enough.

After the original trilogy of films, it wasn't long after that Image started doing new comics and Saban did that pretty decent live action show for Fox Kids. From there, there's been various comic book series, one-off animated films and stuff. I think what probably saved them from the same fate as He-Man was not rolling out a nostalgia tinged reboot around the turn of the century when '80s Nostalgia properly kicked in. Things have gathered pace again since Nickelodeon's rather ace cartoon series kicked off and now we've got a new set of live action films which seem to be doing alright.

As for why He-Man and Thundercats haven't managed to keep to this pattern, I don't know. Not ninja enough? Probably the dominance of things like Harry Potter and Ben 10 in the world of magic and transformative power ups. I think as well that fantasy type stuff is a much tougher sell (look how those things like the Golden Compass and the Percy Jackson films have foundered on the rock of indifference) - especially to children these days. I've pondered given how popular Game Of Thrones and Vikings are whether some sort of live action show would work better for He-Man.

dura
2016-05-25, 08:44 PM
Was Voltron a Japanese cartoon dubbed in English?

Was Robotech as well?

I know they were animated in Japan. Were they also written by Japanese writers?

While I'm trying to watch the Japanese G1 I hear the same sound effects, choreography, general feel and tone of Voltron and Robotech.

Perhaps is the Japanese G1 cartoon episode were all dubbed in English, they would have been just enjoyable to me as a kid watching Voltron and Robotech.

Were Voltron and Robotech just Japanese animated and written cartoons dubbed in English?

Cyberstrike nTo
2016-09-03, 12:24 PM
Was Voltron a Japanese cartoon dubbed in English?

Was Robotech as well?

I know they were animated in Japan. Were they also written by Japanese writers?

While I'm trying to watch the Japanese G1 I hear the same sound effects, choreography, general feel and tone of Voltron and Robotech.

Perhaps is the Japanese G1 cartoon episode were all dubbed in English, they would have been just enjoyable to me as a kid watching Voltron and Robotech.

Were Voltron and Robotech just Japanese animated and written cartoons dubbed in English?

I know dura is banned, but I'm bored and I want to talk about something other than politics and video games.

Voltron was 2 Japanese shows dubbed into English, the first show Go Lion was the more popular show in the US, the second show whose name I can't remember or even know how to spell was never quite as popular. Both series were made by the same animation company and Voltron was so popular and made so much money in the US that World Event Productions (WEP for short) went back asked them to make new episodes of Go Lion and a team-up special called The Fleet of Doom which finally had the two Voltrons team up (kinda). In the 90s WEP brought Voltron back as a CGI show and from I saw of it the story was OK, but the CGI was awful even by standards of the 90s. There was a Nickelodeon series that didn't do all that well because it was coming in after Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra. Currently DreamWorks animation has a new Voltron series on Netflix.

Robotech was 3 different Japanese shows and anyone who care can read my posts in this thread (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=54540).

Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory were dubbed into English but it's abysmal dubbing and writing (you can find these dubs on youtube but don't say I didn't warn you). According to Shout Factory they wanted to do a new dub but were told by Hasbro "NO DUB" because some at Hasbro were never liked these shows and were only wanting to release them to shut the fans up.

Selkadoom
2016-09-03, 03:50 PM
I know dura is banned, but I'm bored and I want to talk about something other than politics and video games.

Voltron was 2 Japanese shows dubbed into English, the first show Go Lion was the more popular show in the US, the second show whose name I can't remember or even know how to spell was never quite as popular. Both series were made by the same animation company and Voltron was so popular and made so much money in the US that World Event Productions (WEP for short) went back asked them to make new episodes of Go Lion and a team-up special called The Fleet of Doom which finally had the two Voltrons team up (kinda). In the 90s WEP brought Voltron back as a CGI show and from I saw of it the story was OK, but the CGI was awful even by standards of the 90s. There was a Nickelodeon series that didn't do all that well because it was coming in after Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra. Currently DreamWorks animation has a new Voltron series on Netflix.

Robotech was 3 different Japanese shows and anyone who care can read my posts in this thread (http://tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?t=54540).

Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory were dubbed into English but it's abysmal dubbing and writing (you can find these dubs on youtube but don't say I didn't warn you). According to Shout Factory they wanted to do a new dub but were told by Hasbro "NO DUB" because some at Hasbro were never liked these shows and were only wanting to release them to shut the fans up.

Amusingly the new Voltron cartoon is animated by the sane studio that did Avatar and is very much ripping of designs from the characters.

Tetsuro
2016-09-03, 09:13 PM
I think what put the final nail in the coffin for me, at least as far as saturday morning cartoons are concerned, was the proliferation of badly animated CGI shows, as well as the increased use of dubbing instead of subtitles and realizing just how bad the Finnish TV cartoon dubs actually are.

When I was little in the early 90's, I think about half of the cartoons I watched were subtitled, which is par course for Finnish television in general; in fact, dubbing is pretty much reserved only for children's programming, but back then, you could still watch shows like Ducktales, Captain Planet and Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles with subtitles. In the 80's, a popular form of "dubbing" was more similar to the Lektor which is used in Poland and Russia, where a single narrator speaks everyone's lines - or just narrates the whole thing, while you could still hear the original audio faintly in the background. Fortunately, that had gone out of fashion by the time, but I could still catch it via re-runs and such.

Unfortunately, subbed kids' shows pretty much no longer exist on Finnish television - even the subscription channels that show re-runs of the shows I used to watch as a kid now show them dubbed.

Cyberstrike nTo
2016-09-21, 01:08 PM
Amusingly the new Voltron cartoon is animated by the sane studio that did Avatar and is very much ripping of designs from the characters.

No wonder Allua looked like Korra with elf ears. :p

Overall I would say Voltron: Legendary Defender is a great example of how you do a reboot and make it better than the original (like Battlestar Galactica).

Cyberstrike nTo
2016-10-02, 09:00 PM
I'm a child of the 80s. While I'm still a huge fan of The Transformers, Robotech, Robotix, G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero, and Voltron: Defender of the Universe I also tend to treat Voltron as something I'll get around too, which is something I'm working on. The original Voltron: Defender of the Universe is a pair of Toei Studio anime shows that were re-wrote, re-edited, re-dubbed, remixed, and basically remade by a company called World Events Production (or WEP for short) into the American series Voltron: Defender of the Universe. The series is probably best remembered for being an animated version of Power Rangers and being the other 80s robot show that had Peter Cullen and Neil Ross. The first series basically had 5 space explorers crash landing on Planet Arus, a planet that has been under siege by Planet Doom and it's ruler the evil King Zarkon. The leader of Arus, the beautiful Princess Allura needs help and the five explorers (whose names are Keith, Lance, Pidge, Hunk, and Sven) to find 5 robot lions that form Voltron a powerful robot who can stop Zarkon's evil plans. They do and then each episode basically has Zarkon and later on his son Prince Lotor cook up and evil plan that never works and then they send a robeast, (giant robot monsters that Zarkon's witch Haggard creates), that Voltron ultimately defeats. Eventually Sven gets injured and is sent to another planet to recover (in the Japanese version the character dies) and Allura becomes the pilot of the Blue Lion. The second series is about another group of space explorers trying to find a new planet to colonize due to over-population. It features a Voltron made from 15 different land, sea, and air ships. While the series was extremely popular in the 80s during it's 2 season run, it was so popular that WEP actually went back to Toei and had all-new episodes of the Lion Voltron show made and a crossover special called Voltron: The Fleet of Doom. After that WEP decided to try out some other projects. In the late 90s they made a semi-sequel show called Voltron In the Third Dimension a CGI show that didn't last very long due to poor designs and the CGI looking like crap. WEP tried again with Voltron Force another sequel series that didn't fans and critics didn't like. The rights were sold to Classic Media and then they were bought by DreamWorks Animation who signed a deal to create a bunch of new cartoon shows for Netflix and one of those was Voltron: Legendary Defender which is a reboot series.

Voltron: Legendary Defender takes the basic concept for the Lion Voltron keeps the basics but also makes some real radical changes to the characters. The basic plot is that in the future humanity is exploring the outer planets and on one such mission Commander Holt, his son Matt, and Shiro are captured by the Galan Empire. One year later 3 cadets at Galaxy Garrison (Hunk, Lance, and Pidge) with the help of an ace pilot Keith, who left Galaxy Garrison for mysterious reasons, find out that Shiro has escaped and crashed landed on Earth warning that Zarkon and Galan Empire is coming and they are looking for a weapon called Voltron. They rescue Shiro and then they find the Blue Lion on Earth. The Blue Lion that takes them to Arus and the Castle of Lions where they find Allura and her steward Corran in cryogenic status for 10,000 years, also in Allura's pod is family of space mice that have gained some of her intelligence and/or telepathic link with her. With the blue lion awaken Zarkon's forces are now able to find the other lions and the Castle. So five raw rookies become the new Paladins of Voltron. Allura gives Keith, Lance, Hunk, and Pidge each a device called baynad that becomes a different weapon for each other of them Keith it's a sword, Hunk it's mini-gun, Lance it's a rifle, and Pidge it's a dagger/grapple hook combo. The black baynad is missing and since Shiro has a cybernetic arm he doesn't really need one. They find the other lions and form Voltron just barely and defeat a war fleet. Over the course of the season we learn that Shiro lost his arm in a gladiator match and we learn that Pidge is actually girl and was undercover so she can find out what happened to her father and brother who were on the same mission that Zarkon captured Shiro. We also learn that Zarkon was the original Paladin for the Black Lion and has it's baynad!

There is a lot of universe building in only 11 episodes and strangely Voltron is not in every episode and there are only 2 robeats in this season and that works. Allura looks like Korra from The Legend of Korra if she were elven space princess. While she's not a pilot...yet. She is smart, funny, and has a tragic backstory that her and Corran are the last of their race. They are also not from Arus but another planet that Zarkon destroyed 10,000 years ago. The animation is solid and the new look for Voltron is nice blend of classic with some new features. The voice acting is top notch with Kim Brooks (Ash from Mass Effect video game series) doing a really great turn as Allura.

While I know the series is aimed at a younger audience the jokes tend to be about Hunk getting space sick and throwing up and in the first episode Lance farts in the Blue lion when it's taking them to Arus. Not my kind of humor, but it's not as bad as it could have been. The show also has fun with the lore of the original series in ways that I find amusing and other fans may not.

Keith seems to be only Paladin that doesn't get much characterization since most of it goes to Shiro, Hunk, and Pidge. Lance is still a jerk who thinks he's the best pilot but Keith is the better pilot and everyone knows it. Keith seems only there to be slight less of a jerk than Lance and seems to be there to verbally spar with Lance. There is a sub-plot in the final episodes where he gets drenched with some magical chemical that is the fuel to Zarkon's forces that maybe allows him in the red lion to battle Zarkon to a draw. Shiro seems to be destined to become a villain or die and while season 1 teases both they don't do either.

The biggest problem with Voltron: Legendary Defender season 1 is that it needed more episodes to help flesh it out but that is also a problem with many Netflix shows like Jessica Jones, Orange is the New Black, and Fuller House, but if that is the worst thing I can say than it's doing something right.

Reboots are a dime a dozen now of days and while a lot of them suck, most of them hover at just being average, then there are a very few that actually better than the originals and this is IMHO is one of those, the only other reboot in recent memory that is better than it's original is Battlestar Galactica and now Voltron: Legendary Defender. All 11 episodes are currently streaming on Netflix. I give Voltron: Legendary Defender season 1, a legendary 4.5 out 5. Check it out on Netflix.

Denyer
2016-10-03, 05:32 PM
It's a very low bar to clear, the original series is appalling, but definitely enjoyed the new version.

Cyberstrike nTo
2016-12-17, 11:56 PM
It's a very low bar to clear, the original series is appalling, but definitely enjoyed the new version.

Yeah the original series was weird. Some of it owning to American standards and practices still being pretty strict in 80s even for a syndicated cartoon show. I honestly don't know how Robotech got through some of it more "controversial" stuff (stuff like the death toll in First War, and Lancer cross dressing to be Yellow Dancer in the Third War) to air. Although to be fair I think WEP was playing it far safer for Voltron: Defender of the Universe than HG was for Robotech.

Now of days none of that stuff wouldn't bat eyelash. I'm generally surprised that was no major outcry (or at least none that aware of) over Pidge's gender and if Pidge is a transgender character or not.

Tetsuro
2016-12-18, 07:39 PM
Yeah the original series was weird. Some of it owning to American standards and practices still being pretty strict in 80s even for a syndicated cartoon show. I honestly don't know how Robotech got through some of it more "controversial" stuff (stuff like the death toll in First War, and Lancer cross dressing to be Yellow Dancer in the Third War) to air.
I think Robotech debuted as a network show and hit syndication later while Voltron was made for syndication first. Either that or Voltron was a weekday show and Robotech in saturday mornings.

I get the impression that companies like WEP played it safe - like real safe - when it came to editing Japanese shows for American distribution, by applying even stricter standards on them than what you'd find on a contemporary American cartoon.

Although in the case of Voltron, I think it's a combination of both them being unlucky since they originally requested Daltanias as "the one with the lion" but got sent Golion instead, and Golion itself only being noteworthy because of the violence. It was pretty bloody even at the standards of Japanese super robot shows of the time - and they were forced to edit all of it out.

I do find it amusing though that despite of all the censorship claims on wikipedia over Tranzor Z (the US edit of Mazinger Z), I ended up checking the final episode and the villain pretty unambigiously dies at the end, even in the edited version, unlike the bad guy of Voltron who is simply seen flying away at the end shaking his fist at the heroes and swearing to get them another day, that dastardly villain that he is.

Marisa
2017-09-13, 05:14 PM
Were 80's cartoons the best, like Voltron, Robotech, He-man/She-ra, G1 Transformers, GI Joe, Super Friends, etc...?

Were the toys better too?

Marisa
2017-09-15, 02:40 AM
The 80's were a time of great cartoon intros and theme songs:

https://youtu.be/Na8ThDftsKk

The likes of which we have never seen before or since.

The 80's cartoons had the hottest girls. Cheetara was tops.

Marisa
2017-09-15, 04:23 PM
Who's Thunderwing?

Who's more powerful: Galvatron or Thunderwing?

Marisa
2017-09-15, 04:54 PM
We did not need Beast Wars. We already had the Dinobots, Predacons, Terrocons, Trypticon, Insecticons, etc. Just watch "Call of the Primitives." These G1 characters were way more bad-ass. Grimlock even saves the entire universe and all Transformers in that episode. You can't get any better than that.

Or the Marvel comics where the Dinobots fight and defeat Tryticon is another good one, as well the episode where the Insecticons mind-control and take over all the Decepticons, including Starscream and Soundwave. G1 Megatron was too bad-ass to be controlled.

Beast Wars felt like a cheap knock-off.

If they wanted to go in this direction, they should have expanded on the G1 beasts. That would have been way more epic.