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inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 01:55 PM

Transformers Comic Partwork Coming.
 
Collecting just about everything it seems:

http://www.transformerscollection.com/


These things usually start with a small trial run in one part of the country before relaunching nationwide with issue 1 if it's a success (and with any bugs sorted out, the Who one had a different cover layout on the issues released during its trial run), the websites never mention this--annoyingly--because they don't want to put off subscribers. Though if you do subscribe during the trial it seems to vary if you get the issues or if they just wait till the national launch (though if you do get the test issues you get the repeated ones in the full launch free).

It looks like, as with the Who and potential IDW Trek ones (though if they're doing this I guess that was a success and will be going nationwide) they book will be chronological when on the shelf but released out of order to spread out the stuff people are going to be most interested in.

The main appeal for me is the idea of behind the scenes info on the American book, hopefully it will be up to the standard of the Classics TFUK stuff (which will presumably be the basis of the behind the scenes stuff in those books), so I can certainly see me getting those.


(All the above assumes there hasn't been a test run I've somehow not heard about. I hope they do something with the front covers tbh, they feel a bit dull)

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-10 02:23 PM

It goes against everything I stand for, but I think I really want these. Well, the 80s/90s stuff anyway.

Be interesting to see how they tackle the US#3 situation.

What was the legal situation for IDW's reprints regarding Death's Head?

inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 03:16 PM

I would assume (though I may use the fact I have A BLOG to try and find out more through their contact details like I'm a journalist of some kind. Which would in no way be an attempt to waggle review copies for at least the test...) they'll be able to reprint the Marvel characters through the same deal that let IDW do it themselves.

Are Hatchet involved in one of the Marvel Partworks (of which there seem to be several, including two comic ones...)? If they've a deal there it's almost a certainty.

Sades 2016-09-10 03:41 PM

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How can I get copies if I live outside the UK or Republic of Ireland?
We are sorry, but at the moment we cannot send copies outside the UK and R.O.I.
Well, balls.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-10 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 760609)
Are Hatchet involved in one of the Marvel Partworks (of which there seem to be several, including two comic ones...)? If they've a deal there it's almost a certainty.

Oh it's Hachette is it? That'll be fine then. They seem to be basically responsible for distribution of pretty much everything.

Auntie Slag 2016-09-10 05:07 PM

If you scroll down the Collection page to the 'DELVE INTO THE WORLD OF THE WARRING ROBOTS IN DISGUISE' bit, you'll see they've got Jazz's bio accompanied by a picture of Prowl.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 05:12 PM

Hopefully that'll be something they fix before any print version!

Though one of the flaws with the Who one is it's riddled with (frequently odd) typos. That won't be such a problem with straight reprints of archival comics, but might hit the original content.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-10 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 760615)
Though one of the flaws with the Who one is it's riddled with (frequently odd) typos.

You're one to talk...

inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 760616)
You're one to talk...


I'm not charging you 20 a month for this though!

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-10 05:17 PM

Only because you've not found a way to yet...

inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 05:17 PM

I keep hoping people will pay me to stop.

Auntie Slag 2016-09-10 05:36 PM

There's typos everywhere.

Even though the Cover to Issue Two is Stormbringer, directly underneath they've boldly given it the title 'STORMBRIDGE'.

This truly is the all out civil war between the Heroic Autobots and Evil Deceptions.

Denyer 2016-09-10 09:53 PM

Surprised they think there's a market given that most of the target audience has it all (or the parts they want) already. Often in multiple.

edit: They've even ****ing spelt Wildman as WLIDMAN in one graphic.

Can't spot when it's due to start?

inflatable dalek 2016-09-10 10:08 PM

The vagueness is probably due to it being a trial.

In terms of audience, I know from talking to James Roberts IDW's TFUK books sell to people outside of the traditional fandom. People who like UK comics or bought it as a kid who have followed nothing since. They won't own this material multiple times and presumably the whole thing is based on the assumption there's enough of them (and enough Brits who haven't thought of TFs comics in 30 years but would by this if an advert showed up in their Facebook feed) to justify it. There might not be, but that's what the trial proves.

Skyquake87 2016-09-11 10:51 AM

The Marvel collection seems to have done well enough to be re-issued and/ or still running (really confused by that - the black volumes seem to still be an ongoing concern, but there was a relaunch a couple of years ago of the same series in magenta covers which I also keep seeing about), so I can see that other comic properties might be something Hachette would be interested in.

If I wasn't happy enough with the Titan stuff, I'd probably pick this up. I do wonder how well that Dredd collection fared. I didn't see it anywhere after the initial 5 issues of that.

The behind the scenes stuff is appealing - as it is for the IDW Classics UK books - but I just can't justify buying the same stuff over again for a marginal amount of content I haven't seen before. I hope it does well anyway. Transformers is probably of solid enough appeal, so it should sell moderately well.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-11 04:34 PM

The Dredd one is still going, these things (especially the more niche ones) usually ust stop appearing in newsagents after a while.

Furman has apparently announced he's editing and that they're not just going to be the first reprints to treat all the Marvel comic as just one series, they're going to try and present the American issues as we saw them, with the appropriate changes (I'm assuming the appropriate dialogue differences rather than splitting things in two and altering every use of "color").

Presumably this will depend on if it does well enough during the trial for them to get a budget that means not just using the recent IDW Marvel US stuff (and as such, how the American issues appear could wind up one of the differences between the trial and the main run, I suspect they'd just go for a straight reprint when testing the water. Of course the first issue will give a good indication with the changes to the stuff about Prime's injury...).

Prowl1984 2016-09-11 09:03 PM

I collected the Marvel one way back when, i signed up for the original 60 but then they started extending it even further in to the back catalogue towards what should have been the final few months. I had to stay on longer just to finish the initial 60 so i could have the mural completed. They then started exactly the same collection again a year later. On the plus side TF isn't nearly as extensive as Marvel but they could move on to the IDW stuff. I'll grab the first issue in WHSmiths and see if it's worth it.

Saw a thread about it on another site and there was a f*cktonne of hate for IDW for some reason...is this a thing? (Hello again by the way)

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-11 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowl1984 (Post 760646)
On the plus side TF isn't nearly as extensive as Marvel but they could move on to the IDW stuff

Stormbringer is one of the initial four books. As is DW's War Within.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-12 06:39 AM

Stormbringer is only just over halfway through the planned run (35 0f 60. That's a good chunk higher than War Within's number though, I wonder if they'll be doing the IDW stuff in that annoying "Suggested Reading Order" they're so fond of?), so it should be going a good way to the MTMTE and RID stuff.

Oh God, ReGeneration One will be in there somewhere...

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-12 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 760649)
I wonder if they'll be doing the IDW stuff in that annoying "Suggested Reading Order" they're so fond of?)

Well if the website is to be trusted, Spotlight: Shockwave is being bundled in with Stormbringer, so I'd guess maybe not?

That said. I'm really not sure about the ins and outs of IDW's silly revised chronological order. I've always found (for the Furman stuff anyway) that the publication sequence was absolutely fine.

Prowl1984 2016-09-12 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 760647)
Stormbringer is one of the initial four books. As is DW's War Within.

Ah...i shall likely pass then. I'd be in it to replace my Titan trades and to pick up the DW stuff as i missed that first time round but I've got shelves full of IDW that just doesn't need replacing.

Cliffjumper 2016-09-12 06:36 PM

Not entirely sure I'm up for forking out 20 on material I already have, especially as behind the scenes stuff will bleed into the Waki, Transformation, etc. and probably actually isn't all that interesting, especially as the guy with a habit of revising history to make himself look more awesome is editing.

One of those odd things that's only of interest to people who already have most of it; really think the nostalgia will fade once you're talking a tenner a copy. Trust me, I have the good fortune to work with people who order the bloody things.

Wouldn't actually be surprised if this one doesn't make it past regional; it's usually about the third issue that people start doing the maths and work out how much their subscription is likely to actually cost versus rounding up the Titan trades; the main reason the Marvel one got through was that a fair percentage of the books reprinted aren't actually dirt cheap in other formats whereas there are Forbidden Planets out there using copies of Showdown as coasters.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-12 07:41 PM

It does seem a surprising one to go for, I suppose it depends how much residual fondness there is for the comics outside the traditional fandom. Presumably, unless they're insane, a full launch should tie into the next film in June so we won't know for a while.

Mind, the Trek one's website is still up and letting you take orders despite the four issue trial now presumably being over, but they've missed the really obvious attention grabbing launch point of the 50th.

Cliffjumper 2016-09-12 08:14 PM

T2006 will do brisk business, especially if they're really smart and bundle either the IDW film adaptation or a DVD copy of the film in for a first issue freebie. But you're not going to get much nostalgia appeal in War Within or Stormbringer; personally think they should have picked either IDW or Marvel, not sure how many people who casually read the weekly thirty years ago are going to be much other than baffled by new comics which have nothing to do with the old.

WW is especially baffling - an unfinished prequel to unfinished stories which will probably be skipped seems more like the editor trying to do the writer a favour by putting some royalties his way in a big-selling early issue.

It's a bit of a shame as an Ultimate TF UK book just covering the Marvel stuff with some common sense stuff like annuals, G2, full colour US reprints, dumping Earthforce in one solid block at the end and maaaaybe finding money to at least finish off colouring Raiders would be tempting and if done in a similar way to the Titan stuff but with the UK material integrated (start off with big epic Unicron stuff and then G2 before looping around to the dodgy early material when the subs are in would have actually been pretty tempting and probably more likely to ensnare.

Transformers still isn't hugely remembered as a comic title here either; the cartoon seems to have imprinted a lot harder considering its' spotty showings.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-13 07:29 AM

I can see the logic of doing The Origin of Optimus Prime as one of the early ones, though equally there's a couple of IDW stories that could equally fit the bill (either one from the writer of Transformers The Movie or even the pretty damn awesome Chaos Theory if they wanted to show the real start of his journey). I think WW I is fairly standalone as well though isn't it?

Doing it and Stormbringer in the test run was probably a mistake though. Something more recent would have made more sense to give a good cross sample of everything being offered.

A lot of people do seem to want just a Marvel one, and I wonder if that'll undo it. Would the 20ish issues that'd take be too small for a part work? I can certainly see a lot of people picking and chosing just those if it goes beyond the trial.

And speaking of the trial, I assumed this announcement was for something forthcoming, but the TFW thread has an inhand pic of the T:2006 book, so it's out in the test area already (though they don't say where the test area is!).

Sadly the thread has mostly been taken over by someone very angry at the term "Generation One" being used for anything other than the Marvel comics because OBVIOUSLY GENERATION ONE ENDED WHEN GENERATION 2 STARTED, THAT'S HOW GENERATIONS WORK DUH.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-13 07:55 AM

God I hope the partwork includes the UK G2 comics just to piss people off.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-13 07:58 AM

If the first US G2 book has the Joe crossover and Ghosts in it, Fleetway could well be used to add some weight to the second...

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-13 08:08 AM

As far as I can remember, the first official use of the term "Generation One" was on Takara's SCF range in about 2000.

So it's got about 16 years of being used to refer to the characters from pre-1993. Which is what the DW and IDW stuff is, so I really don't see the problem.

It's not as if they're padding it out with Energon, Hearts of Steel or The Gathering, is it.

They're going to pad it out with Energon, Hearts of Steel and The Gathering, aren't they?

inflatable dalek 2016-09-13 08:11 AM

I'm still not sure how there's that many books between War Within and Stormbringer so you never know...

EDIT: Wouldn't actually be surprised if the Beast Wars stuff is high on a list of things to add to any extension of the original run if it's still doing well enough...

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-13 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 760667)
I'm still not sure how there's that many books between War Within and Stormbringer so you never know...

War Within's v28 and Stormbringer's v35, yeah?

v29 The Dark Ages / whatever there is of Age of Wrath
v30 the first DW mini
v31 War & Peace
v32-33 DW's ongoing/Micromasters
v34 Infiltration? Or whatever the hell they do for sequencing the IDW flashback stuff. Megatron Origin? Who the **** knows.

But basically it looks about right to me.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-13 08:50 AM

Dreamwave: There's more than you'd think!

Assuming they stick some of the Joe crossovers in the gap between Marvel and Dreamwave (and a two book G2) and yeah... most of that gets filled fairly easily.








A hardback Micromasters folks. What a world to live in.


And even if the trial fails, it's kind of cool Target: 2006 got onto at least some newsagents shelves again alongside the 30th birthday of its first issue.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-09-13 09:29 AM

So long as they cover the Ladybird books, it's all good.

Tetsuro 2016-09-13 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Auntie Slag (Post 760621)
There's typos everywhere.

Even though the Cover to Issue Two is Stormbringer, directly underneath they've boldly given it the title 'STORMBRIDGE'.

This truly is the all out civil war between the Heroic Autobots and Evil Deceptions.

I dread the "remastered" part if it's gonna bring us another profile of Streetwise "dutitutty reoording" the most seemingly insignificant details.

Or "fixing" purple Soundwave. Why does that need "fixing" anyway? Is presenting the comics as originally printed that much of a bad thing? I'm not asking them to print it on crappy paper too, but this is the kind of mentality that gives us a Predator blu-ray where everyone and everything looks like they're made of plastic.

inflatable dalek 2016-09-17 08:26 AM

After an initially odd email exchange (something seemed to get lost in their first reply as it was just one lower case nonsensical sentence) I got a reply to my arm chancing request for an interview about the book that said they won't be looking into any promotional stuff for 2-3 months. So it looks like a post-Christmas launch if the test does well enough.

inflatable dalek 2016-10-03 12:12 PM

People who subscribed are starting to get the first two issues apparently.

As I was in Manchester for a wedding and I thought it would make a good Christmas Quiz prize I picked up the second issue over the weekend. Probably the least interesting of the test issues in terms of content (all off the shelf IDW stuff that doesn't give much of an indication of how they'll handle archival stuff), but the book itself really is a nice chunky hardback. If they sort out the spine art and the some design niggles (wrong endpieces being the big one here) this could be quite a good collection.

Based on how many copies they had a week after it came out I'd suspect it's not going well enough to go nationwide though.

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Brendocon 2.0 2016-10-03 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 760992)
People who subscribed are starting to get the first two issues apparently

Yeah, just picked mine up from the sorting office during my lunch break. Proper thoughts to follow after work.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-10-03 08:35 PM

Top work in getting the inside front cover art swapped for Target 2006 and Stormbringer.

Beyond that I'm geeking the **** out over having a UK format hardcover of 2006 that presumably has the pages in the right order (hi Titan) and any thoughts beyond that are just noise right now.

inflatable dalek 2016-10-07 04:02 PM

My sub finally arrived! Turned out they hadn't written the flat number on the address so it's spent a week under a postman's arm with him wandering the block knocking on random doors (I'd entered it properly on the site though).

The T: 2006 book is indeed lovely and looks so good as a chunky hardback. It's a bit unfair on Stormbringer but seeing all that old stuff presented like this is going to get you in the gut far more.

Though if it doesn't get to series/you only want this first one the American content will seem a bit random. And the behind the scenes stuff is shamelessly just UK focused, anyone wanting insight into Arielbots Over America will be sad.

inflatable dalek 2016-10-27 06:38 PM

And with the trial now over (though it looks like a lot of subscribers--myself included, didn't get the full run due to demand exceeding the printing. No one was charged for anything yet, but it'd be nice if these things were made clear when signing up...) apparently it's showing up in Diamond solicitations for the new year.

Which is a surprise, but not an unpleasant out.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-10-27 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 761283)
And with the trial now over (though it looks like a lot of subscribers--myself included, didn't get the full run due to demand exceeding the printing.

How do you mean didn't get the full run? They've only released two so far. Or do you mean you didn't receive both books?

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No one was charged for anything yet, but it'd be nice if these things were made clear when signing up...
Yeah, this confused me. The invoice said the next books would be sent after payment is received, but the due amount was zero and the next shipment isn't due yet anyway. All very muddied.


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