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inflatable dalek 2017-01-03 06:16 PM

The Transformers Partwork Discussion Thread.
 
As the formal release has started, here's the place to discuss the books as they come out alongside any and all related issues (what's coming, the gifts, when Andrew Wlidman will be back).

80 issue (to start with, extensions are possible) fortnightly series collecting as much vaguely G1 stuff as possible from Marvel issue 1 through to at least Combiner Wars with at least one exception in the Avengers Crossover.

Official Website

Skyquake87 2017-01-03 07:43 PM

I picked up the first issue out of curiosity, on the off chance I might take leave of my senses and think paying 20 a month and a total outlay of 800 for stuff I already (mostly) own would be worth it...

On the plus side - Production is generally very good. The UK stuff has been resized and works well. I liked the inclusion of the original editorial features on THE NEW LEADERS, Grimlock's movie review, the covers gallery and the backstory on Cybertron. The bits on the behind the scenes stuff were fine (although the Geoff Senior reference to working on Doctor Who before jumping to Dragon's Claws seemed a bit of a muddled reference to Death's Head). I like the idea of this being a sequential series presenting the old Marvel UK and US stuff together too. Oh! And I liked the poster!

On the downside... this does unfairly highlight how sedate some of the US material can look next to the more lively UK stuff. The reproduction of the US stuff - hardly sparkling 15 years ago with Titan - is notably poorer here. Maybe its from working from scans or the glossy paper ... but it looks very patchy and pale in places.

...all in all...I'm still not sure whether its worth replacing my Titan trades.

Ryan F 2017-01-03 10:42 PM

I'm also subscribing to this, mostly due to the fact that I like the idea of a fully-coloured Earthforce (and also Raiders of the Last Ark), plus I've never read any of the Dreamwave stuff so I'm looking forward to seeing what that was all about. Some behind-the-scenes insight into the, erm, stranger periods of IDW history (AHM, HoD, Costa) might be cool, too.

As a subscriber of their Doctor Who books, I can certainly vouch for how lovely the matching spines will look on the shelf.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-03 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan F (Post 761992)
I'm also subscribing to this, mostly due to the fact that I like the idea of a fully-coloured Earthforce (and also Raiders of the Last Ark)

This too. As much as the idea of having UK and US stuff in matching formats is great, I never picked up more than one of the Titan Earthforce books as they were tiny and I couldn't read the text properly.

inflatable dalek 2017-01-04 09:01 PM

Furman has been doing Facebook posts about the series today (though I've only seen the first after a long day in bed after a Frankie and Benny's breakfast).

Most interesting thing to note is that ReGeneration One will immediately follow the Marvel series on the shelf so as to "Wrap it up". Which (presuming G2 will also be in there) doesn't bother me too much as I'd largely be ignoring it wherever it sat, but it might be a bit confusing to present it as the One True Follow Up to the Marvel book in a series which is presenting the UK and US stuff as one.

Also: Everything published by Dreamwave will definitely be included.


Oh, and he's mentioned a lot of issue numbers and content in both posts and replies to comments, so I'm sure some fastidious soul will go through and start putting a list together.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-04 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 762010)
but it might be a bit confusing to present it as the One True Follow Up to the Marvel book in a series which is presenting the UK and US stuff as one.

I think the continuity horse bolted the moment they decided to publish everything. There's no way to do it without confusing the people who don't already know it.

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Also: Everything published by Dreamwave will definitely be included.
Any word on the stuff that was drawn but never published?

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Oh, and he's mentioned a lot of issue numbers and content in both posts and replies to comments, so I'm sure some fastidious soul will go through and start putting a list together.
Has he addressed the wacky Cold Comfort & Joy placing from the trial issues?

inflatable dalek 2017-01-04 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 762011)
I think the continuity horse bolted the moment they decided to publish everything. There's no way to do it without confusing the people who don't already know it.

yeah, just my own personal bias there rather than a real issue with the series. One track mind!



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Any word on the stuff that was drawn but never published?
Not as far as I'm aware (I'm sure Furman will include his own notes on how WWIII would have ended if nothing else).



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Has he addressed the wacky Cold Comfort & Joy placing from the trial issues?
Aye, in one of the replies, straightforward page count issues, continuity light stories may be moved about a bit for space.

EDIT: Though ironically I'd say Cold Comfort is the one Christmas story that does work best in exact sequence as a Time Wars prequel.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-04 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 762012)
Aye, in one of the replies, straightforward page count issues, continuity light stories may be moved about a bit for space.

EDIT: Though ironically I'd say Cold Comfort is the one Christmas story that does work best in exact sequence as a Time Wars prequel.

Seems to defeat the object of the endeavour, but whevs. Well, beyond the object of the endeavour being for Hachette to make money off us, obvs.

The Greatest Gift you can chuck about all over the place if you feel like it. Cold Comfort is the "THERE'S A STORM COMING" prelude to teh tiem warz.

Haven't got the trial copies to hand. Was Prime even a PM in the other material in that book?

inflatable dalek 2017-01-05 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 762016)
Haven't got the trial copies to hand. Was Prime even a PM in the other material in that book?

Aye, it's the initial Furman US arc with PM Prime trying to do a more extreme Delbo Pose in every issue.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-05 08:57 PM

Fair enough. Not as egregious as I'd initially thought, but still a little disappointing.

Saw the first issue in the window of my local newsagents today.

inflatable dalek 2017-01-06 05:48 PM

Well I'll admit when I read Reg would be going after Marvel on the shelf, I just assumed G2 would be going elsewhere in the series.

But Andy Turnbull has told me that, according to Furman, it won't be included at all.

Which seems...odd. Possibly down to Furman I suppose, he did prevent Titan reprinting stories he wasn't keen on when he was editing them and he was disparaging about G2 when promoting Reg.

But I suspect it's more an IDW thing (as the rights holders they'd give Hachette the material and have final say on what they can and can't do). Despite reprinting bits of it in Best Of... collections and doing the Joe issues leading up to it twice they've not properly done G2 in a decade of money for old rope collections than have seen the rest of Marvel done multiple times (including pre-dating Reg, so it's not just them wanting to pimp their own continuation). For some reason they just don't seem to like it.

Shame (oh, and alright, G2 technically isn't a Generation One book as promised by the title of the series but COME ON).

Ryan F 2017-01-06 08:38 PM

To be honest I wasn't really expecting G2 to show up here (nor the Beast Wars or Energon stuff, for that matter).

If I were IDW, and I had the rights to the G2 issues, I'd want to release a G2 trade myself first, rather than let it have its debut in the partwork. Any release by Hachette would steal the thunder away from the eventual 'proper' IDW trade.

Given that Furman now seems ok with greenlighting work he'd previously sneered at (Raiders of the Last Ark and Enemy Within were long out of print until IDW stepped in), I don't think that's the issue here.

Perhaps IDW are still trying to get the rights to the Fleetway stuff and are waiting until then to release the whole lot in a complete G2 compendium?

inflatable dalek 2017-01-11 05:38 PM

At least one person has had their sub copies of one and two turn up today, with keyrings. Hopefully mine is just lagging a bit behind rather than then not having put the flat number on again...

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-13 04:38 PM

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Dear Transformers The Definitive G1 Collection subscriber,

We regret to inform you that unfortunately there has been a small misprint on the spine of some copies of issue 1. This means that some people may have bought or received an incorrect copy which will not fit properly into the overall spine artwork.

Thank you to those of you who have brought this to our attention, and we sincerely apologise for the mistake.

We will be doing a full reprint of issue 1 and will automatically send all subscribers a replacement copy free of charge. You do not need to do anything at your end, and if you have already received a copy with an incorrect cover you can of course keep this as well.

We would like to thank you for your understanding and hope you continue to enjoy the series.

Best regards,
Hachette Partworks Ltd.
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inflatable dalek 2017-01-13 05:14 PM

That made me smile. Target must now be the most reprinted TF comic story ever surely?

Ironically part of the reason I'll now definitely be missing the Orbital signing tomorrow is that my sub copies have arrived (well, presumably, I wasn't expecting anything else) and are waiting at the post office. So I need to be back in Kiddy before they shut at 2 tomorrow or they'll be there for another week...

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-13 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 762216)
That made me smile. Target must now be the most reprinted TF comic story ever surely?

Very excited by the notion of having three copies of the partwork release for a grand total of 1.99...

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So I need to be back in Kiddy before they shut at 2 tomorrow or they'll be there for another week...
TWO???? My local sorting office shuts at 11 on a Saturday...

inflatable dalek 2017-01-13 11:28 PM

When I spoke to my mother on the phone she said the card said they were open till 2 on Saturday's.

She said...

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-14 09:41 AM

Okay, it looks like the misprint (per mine) is that the black border around the number at the top of the spine extends down too far on #1 (or vol 6, however you want to count it).

They've also changed the artwork on the spine from the trial copies (not surprising, the trial ones seemed to just use a random example piece of the art that didn't really match up with where they should fit in the published mural).

inflatable dalek 2017-01-14 09:49 AM

I've not seen the citation myself, but a chap on TMUK has said for non-subscribers the corrected 1 will be packed in with 7 in shops. Presumably it will come to subscribers at around the same time.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-14 10:14 AM

Though to be fair they have got the ICF prints right between Target 2006 and Stormbringer this time out. Maybe the next print run will have some key pages upside down or something.

inflatable dalek 2017-01-16 08:26 PM

Though the title page of Stormbringer still has T:'06 art behind it...

I've also spotted a mistake that (having double checked) was also on the trial version of 2 but I don't think any of us noticed: It credits the wrong artist for Spotlight Soundwave:

https://twitter.com/InflatableDalek/...19158921691136

Throw in "Jazz" and "Andrew Wlidman" (corrected on the site but on the poster that comes with one) and this is a series in desperate need of better proofing as it's coming across as sloppy.

Skyquake87 2017-01-16 09:07 PM

I picked up the second issue in the shops and got saddled with one that had some production flaws - the pages hadn't been cut properly so some corners had some oversized squares poking off them, which were helpfully stuck together as presumably the ink hadn't dried properly.

Couple of snips with some scissors and its all good. Didn't spot the credit being wrong, though, although I hadn't paid much attention to those - I just read it nicely.

I really enjoyed re-reading these stories. I haven't read these since they came out and I found them fun and I enjoyed Stormbringer a lot more than I did at the time. There's some nice world building on show. After being all curmudgeonly about these, I've ended up subscribing. The overall quality is good, despite some minor production issues and I was looking at my Titan books, and they are er, well-loved.

I'm not sure that reprinting the first issue was warranted, personally. Seems like a bit of a waste of resources, although I can see how having the spine mural mis-aligned will bother folk. I think that for 1.99, I can live with that. I was bothered about the printing mishap on Stormbringer (if only because I was worried I'd ended up tearing the pages).

Denyer 2017-01-17 01:33 PM

Not related but a bit more mainstream coverage of TF stuff --

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...ew?CMP=soc_568

Skyquake87 2017-01-17 09:05 PM

Neat! Liked the brief write up on MTMTE/ LL and interview with Roberts.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-20 02:53 PM

Any other trial subscribers got another email from Hachette asking to resupply their payment details? I've already done this once...

inflatable dalek 2017-01-20 03:09 PM

You posted right before I was going to on this very subject!

Had the same email, and even though I've tried putting my payment details in twice (once for card, once for direct debit) they're not showing up on my subscription details online in the same way they are for the Who partwork. Or even the defunct Transformers trial.

So as I still needed to sort out the address being wrong on the packages I decided to phone them.

First, the line was terrible, to the point I had to try calling again on a different phone where it was only marginally better (it also seems the number they tell you to call on the Your Subscription page isn't right as they have to put you through to another department. Who then asks you for all the details you've just given to the first person so the second person wouldn't need to ask them).

They did say they added the payment method though.

Mind, the address they have for me on their files is the correct one, unlike what it says on both the website and the actual parcels, so God knows what's going on.

More cheerfully, I really enjoyed reading the Stormbringer book (though I've still got the last two Spotlights to go). It's been a while since I've done the Full IDW (I think around the end of season 1 of MTMTE/RID?) and it was actually good fun dipping into a random group of issues rather than reading everything in exact sequence. Consdiering I've put a lot of thought into the Marvel stuff recently (as people may have noticed), I think IDW and Dreamwave is where this is really going to shine for me.

Some great early instalment weirdness as well, Scoop as a hardened Wrecker taking on Thunderwing; Soundwave as a great scientist; Shockwave worrying about the Predacons being sent after him rather than the DJD (and it's interesting that he's only slightly less egocentric than Overlord will be, assuming it's most likely Megatron will come himself).

Such a shame about how Stormbringer itself ends, before the anticlimax it's actually really good fun with a lot more throwaway little characterisation moments than I remembered.

Prime's narration of DOOM is still pretty bad though, he'd doing endless monologues about Thunderwing for a full issue before he knows Thunderwing is back. It's like he gets up every morning, has Searchlight bring him a coffee and then starts going on about "How we reaped the whirlwind" for eight hours straight in his head.

And considering what a cluster**** they became, it's so easy to forget the early Spotlights are actually pretty neat, even if Shockwave and Soundwave have basically the same plot in different time periods.

Skyquake87 2017-01-21 07:55 PM

Issues 3 & 4 turned up today! Key rings are nice. I read Primal Scream (the red one with Optimus on the front) and...yeah it bugged me that 'Cold Comfort...' has been reprinted out of sequence. I did really like the bit with Bove about colouring techniques, which was aces. And I like the effort he's gone to to colour the b&w stories in a style that fits with their contemporaries. Although I'm not sure that colouring some of the UK stories that directly link to the US material in the US 'dot' / block colour style. I get the idea, but I think I'd have preferred the UK stuff to be coloured ...like the UK stuff...

inflatable dalek 2017-01-30 01:28 PM

Issues 3 and 4 allocated on the website! Backdated to the 27th.

But, they also want me to pay for issue 4 because, and sing along at home, they still don't have my payment details. So Brend and anyone else who got that email should double check.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-01-30 05:31 PM

Yeah I rang 'em last week and they said my payment details weren't on file. Added them there and then (supposedly).

Have just checked my account and they've registered a payment but haven't added #3 and #4 yet...

I'm starting to think that just asking my LCS to put this stuff aside for me would have been the simplest approach.

inflatable dalek 2017-01-30 08:34 PM

I'm wondering how often you can legitimately try to pay for something before you just keep it...

Skyquake87 2017-01-30 09:11 PM

Crikey, and here's me, a dithery Johnny-come-lately who's had no problems at all.

inflatable dalek 2017-01-30 09:24 PM

Sharp "Sort this out or I cancel the sub" message sent. I wouldn't even be giving them this chance if not for the Who one always going well.

Auntie Slag 2017-01-31 01:05 PM

I bought Issue 2. Lovely hardcover and the paper is really nice quality. I bought it for Stormbringer, which I've always missed out on in the past and felt I'd missed loads of Technobots and Jetfire action. Turns out its a bit wanky and dull with Prime posturing and moping in equal measure, which I always loved in the past but that was 30 years ago. I've seen sexy, dynamic roof-jumping Pax since then, and that's what I'm in the mood for now.

Oh well. You pays your money. I didn't think the print was quite spot on, there was just a slight bit of image shift/blur. Not much, but its there.

Are they going to print Chaos Theory?

inflatable dalek 2017-02-01 10:46 AM

They should indeed. Combiner Wars in the most recent thing I've seen mentioned and a chap involved with the Orbital Signing over at TMUK mentioned it'll be going all the way up to LL and OP.

Speaking of forthcoming issues, someone on Twitter posted a pic of a page from Previews, and whilst I forget to note the numbers (it was either 7&8 or 8&9) Hearts of Steel and Trial by Fire are coming soon.

I think Stormbringer has always looked a bit soft, digital volouring has come a long way.

Two days and no reply to my Hachette email...

inflatable dalek 2017-02-03 07:33 PM

In general updatery (thanks to Jaymz over at TMUK), the volumes after War Within are:

6: Escalation.
7: Perchance to Dream.
8: Hearts of Steel (on top of the four issue original you might expect, say, that infestation issue. Or the "What if..." Movie one off to make it a full alternate history book. No, it's getting some of the early Spotlights in it).
9: Trial By Fire (Headmasters, Headmasters on Earth and World's Apart. A sensible book).

Shaping up for an odd focus on early IDW and late Marvel at the moment. Hopefully it'll go a bit more nuts soon.

Skyquake87 2017-02-04 01:19 PM

...looks like I spoke too soon. Got a letter from Hachette this morning saying my direct debit instruction doesn't exist.

inflatable dalek 2017-02-06 04:47 PM

Phew. Actually got to the stage of having an email sent from Hachette saying they'd gotten my Direct Debit details. Will it go all the way this time, or will it do a Skyquake?

Books came today anyway. Hurrah.


https://twitter.com/InflatableDalek/...98220859244544

I'm thinking the new colouring works better on Survivors than Race. I think with the later Wildman left a lot of the backgrounds for the colourist to sort out, but Bove is a bit too faithful so there's still lots of empty blank voids, they're just sometimes pink rather than white.

Brendocon 2.0 2017-02-06 05:18 PM

It's a Christmas Miracle, Charlie Brown. Mine have turned up too. Does this mean the system is fixed? It's almost certainly too early to tell...

Skyquake87 2017-02-06 08:39 PM

Resupplied my bank details tonight. Although thanks to being at work during office opening hours, had to nip outside and contend with traffic noise to make the call :( Sent an email asking for confirmation this is all set up okay.

Skyquake87 2017-02-27 08:32 PM

Direct Debit fiasco sorted, issues 5 & 6 turned up over the weekend.

Sooo Escalation is still great :) Man, E.J. Su was one of the best artists Transformers ever had. I love his cinematic style,its right good. The Spotlights, Sixshot and Magnus are good, if still in thrall to the bloated art style of Pat Lee. Reapers are still a bunch of ass-hats though.


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