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Old 2017-05-25, 07:32 PM   #666
Warcry
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I guess a lot of people in the fandom just have money to burn and no sense of value for money or any patience; they want that Sunstreaker to fill the space in the cabinet NOW.
That's what it seems like to me too, but the idea is just so mental that I was hoping there was more to it. The amount of money involved in third-party stuff (or even legit MP stuff) is high enough that I can't fathom buying something that you don't actually like, but I suppose for some people "completing the set" is more important than the quality of the figures they're completing it with.

I mean, I might have thought twice about buying Hexatron if I'd known that Hasbro was going to put out their own (apparently pretty good) Sixshot a couple years later, but at the end of the day I bought it because it looked like fun and it never even occurred to me to try and flog mine when Hasbro announced TR Sixshot.

On the other hand, I'd never buy a third party figure without seeing positive reviews from people whose opinions I trust (mainly you lot) so my experience is probably a lot more positive than people who go "ZOMG SUNSTRAEKAR MUST BUY" as soon as a preorder appears.

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EDIT: I do think the colour schemes are a shame, though - looking at Ironhide I think all-red would have actually worked better as would a red head for Ratchet; not crazy about how gigantic they are compared to everyone else either.
I'm sure I've griped about this before, but if these figures were actual Masterpieces they'd come with a lot more swappable parts to let you customize their appearance. Parts to make an all-red Ironhide might be asking a lot, but there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have included an alternate comic-coloured head for Ratchet, or a toy-accurate Smokescreen head, or given Wheeljack the toy-accurate launchers that Exhaust wound up with, or included toy-accurate shoulder cannons with all the Datsuns rather than just Blue Bluestreak.

I understand that Transformers are more complex, but Hasbro can include alternate heads and hands with mass-retail Marvel figures, so it's really disappointing to see the collector-oriented TF subline skimp so much on that. None of this stuff would be new tooling, so it wouldn't drive the price up too much. And it would be a nice touch for people like me who want something other than blandly slavish cartoon accuracy.

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Or how tiny Bumblebee is; I'd love Bumblebee if he was just a head or so shorter than the rest but he looks like he's from a different line and I don't particularly see the point in collecting the Minibots as they'll just display terribly with the rest of the cars.
This is another case where "show accuracy" (or rather, accuracy to the cartoon scale chart that Sunbow nerds take as gospel even though the on-screen characters were drawn to be whatever size the artists wanted) really hurt a toy. Size-wise he fits better with mainline stuff, but the fancy paint job and licensed alt-mode make him stand out like a sore thumb there too. Having the other Minibots might make things better though, since in that case you'd have a whole lineup of tiny guys you could put on a separate shelf somewhere.

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Recently 3P prices aren't actually that different from regular MP rates, tbh. Sunsurge is currently on BBTS at $80, while Tracks, Hot Rod and BLUEstreak are around $75-80 (no indication as to whether those have been discounted though). Sunstreaker has just gone up for preorder at $120.
Yeah, the cost of third-party stuff has come down over the last few years (probably because of the massive amount of competition) while the cost of official MPs has gone up (probably due to profiteering after seeing what people were paying for 3P figures), so the gap is a lot smaller than it was five years ago.

I think MP Megatron actually wound up costing significantly more than the leading third-party alternatives, didn't he?

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Though yeah, a lot of it is impatience. A lot of it is enraptured by the shiny. Personally I've been a bit of a victim of preconditioning from years of previous lines like Binaltech, Classics, etc, so it's taken a long time to adjust to the fact that Masterpiece isn't just going to randomly stop when Takara get bored 65% of the way through and switch to something else.
I'd argue that they did randomly switch to something else when they started to go hardcore Sunbow, honestly. It's at least as big of a stylistic switch as what we're used to seeing between different Generations sub-brands.

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Especially based on photos of a magazine piece. Especially after the great Tracks "strategic photography angle" incident. If Sunsurge is good enough to stay on someone's shelf now then surely it's good enough to wait until you know Sunstreaker is good before throwing it on eBay (even more when everyone else has done the same thing so you're contributing to the market value being dirt).
On the positive (for me!) side, if the Sunsurge market crashes deeply enough I may actually pick one up for myself.
 
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