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Old 2005-06-04, 11:43 PM   #141
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What were the last sets of figures like for the full run of DW titles?

TRANSFORMERS GENERATION 1 VOL 3 #10 29,682 copies
GI JOE VS TRANSFORMERS VOL 2 #4 24,262 copies
TRANSFORMERS WAR WITHIN VOL 3 #3 22,928 copies
TRANSFORMERS ENERGON #30 16,777 copies

Grand total 93,649
 
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Old 2005-06-04, 11:46 PM   #142
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Nah, sets—i.e. the progression of sales per title over the last few months. I'm curious where the customers for Micromasters may have been coming from if they weren't simply people splurging a little extra or returning to the fold.
 
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Old 2005-06-05, 01:11 AM   #143
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Quick summary:

TRANSFORMERS: GENERATION ONE
03/ 2003: --
04/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #1 (of 6) -- 111,355 -- [112,810]
05/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #2 (of 6) -- 74,322 (-33.3%) -- [ 75,640]
06/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #3 (of 6) -- 67,211 (- 9.6%) -- [ 70,348]
07/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #4 (of 6) -- 64,886 (- 3.5%) -- [ 66,975]
08/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #5 (of 6) -- 61,587 (- 5.1%)
09/ 2003: --

10/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 2 #6 (of 6) -- 62,947 (+ 2.2%) -- [ 64,108]
11/ 2003: --
12/ 2003: Transformers: Generation One Vol. 3 #0 (of 6) -- 53,081 (-15.7%) -- [ 54,443]
01/ 2004: --
02/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #1 -- 57,537 (+ 8.4%)
02/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #2 -- 44,714 (-22.3%)
03/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #3 -- 41,194 (- 7.9%)
04/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #4 -- 43,048 (+ 4.5%)
05/ 2004: --
06/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #5 -- 37,710 (-12.4%)
07/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #6 -- 36,211 (- 4.0%)
08/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #7 -- 34,756 (- 4.0%)
09/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #8 -- 31,942 (- 8.1%)
10/ 2004: --
11/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #9 -- 31,272 (- 2.1%)
12/ 2004: Generation One Vol. 3 #10 -- 29,682 (- 5.1%)

TRANSFORMERS: MICROMASTERS
11/ 2004: Transformers: Micromasters #1 (of 4) -- 29,743
08/ 2004: Transformers: Micromasters #2 (of 4) -- 26,052 (-12.4%)
09/ 2004: Transformers: Micromasters #3 (of 4) -- 24,199 (- 7.1%)
10/ 2004: --
11/ 2004: Transformers: Micromasters #4 (of 4) -- 22,517 (- 7.0%)

TRANSFORMERS: WAR WITHIN Vol. 3
09/ 2004: Transformers: War Within Vol. 3 #1 -- 33,502
10/ 2004: Transformers: War Within Vol. 3 #2 -- 23,943 (-28.5%)
11/ 2004: --
12/ 2004: Transformers: War Within Vol. 3 #3 -- 22,928 (- 4.2%)

TRANSFORMERS: ENERGON (Dreamwave)
03/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #9 -- 46,672
04/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #10 -- 43,106 (- 7.6%)
05/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #11 -- 40,734 (- 5.5%)
06/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #12 -- 36,908 (- 9.4%)
07/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #13 -- 34,964 (- 5.3%)
08/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #14 -- 32,000 (- 8.5%)
09/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #15 -- 30,508 (- 4.7%)
10/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #16 -- 29,945 (- 1.9%)
11/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #17 -- 28,658 (- 4.3%)
12/ 2003: Transformers: Armada #18 -- 28,068 (- 2.1%)
01/ 2004: Transformers: Energon #19 -- 30,268 (+ 7.8%)
02/ 2004: Transformers: Energon #20 -- 26,721 (-11.7%)
03/ 2004: Transformers: Energon #21 -- 26,237 (- 1.8%)
04/ 2004: Transformers: Energon #22 -- 25,990 (- 0.9%)
05/ 2004: Transformers: Energon #23 -- 24,234 (- 6.8%)

I don't have the figures for The Dark Ages or the rest of Energon bookmarked but they were following similar patterns to the rest of DW's output, i.e. consistently large drops and no sign of the sales levelling out.


Kaye at Auto Assembly? Looking forward to that.
 

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Old 2005-06-05, 03:40 AM   #144
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Actually, I run into those guys when they're buying the DVDs or the Reissues. Also, if you enjoy something, you don't mind back tracking to learn the backstory, and besides, if a writer is good enough, he can tell the story without having to depend on the reader knowing every issue of the UK comics. That just depends on good story-telling.

I can read a western without knowing any of the history of the Wild West and enjoy it. It makes it even better if the story is grounded in the facts.

I think it's a load to say that keeping continuity strangles the story. I think it makes the story more rich. I'm not talking about doing it like you see in so many fanfics, but take Star Trek, for example.

You can jump right in to Next Generation or Deep Space Nine and enjoy it for what it is. If you want to dig deeper you can go out of your way to watch the original Star Trek episodes. You don't need to have seen Kirk's adventures to enjoy TNG or DS9, but neither do they completely ignore the series that spawned them.

It's a happy medium, and that's what I'd like to see in TF. Stories that respect the groundwork laid, and take it to new areas. That's what Beast Wars did superbly. Sadly, we've not seen that done since BW was cancelled.
 
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Old 2005-06-05, 05:29 AM   #145
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Hey, good job with the stats, Fireflight.
 
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Old 2005-06-05, 10:10 AM   #146
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Unfortunately I can't claim credit for the statistic work as I took them from the Month-to-month sales analysis on the Pulse .

It's also worth noting that these figures are estimates that only take into account sales distributed through Diamond in North America so the actual numbers are higher than this, though the trends they show should be accurate.
 
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Old 2005-06-05, 11:40 AM   #147
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This is getting really off topic, but that's not surprising.

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Originally posted by Grand Scorpion I think it's a load to say that keeping continuity strangles the story. I think it makes the story more rich. I'm not talking about doing it like you see in so many fanfics, but take Star Trek, for example.

You can jump right in to Next Generation or Deep Space Nine and enjoy it for what it is. If you want to dig deeper you can go out of your way to watch the original Star Trek episodes. You don't need to have seen Kirk's adventures to enjoy TNG or DS9, but neither do they completely ignore the series that spawned them.

It's a happy medium, and that's what I'd like to see in TF. Stories that respect the groundwork laid, and take it to new areas. That's what Beast Wars did superbly. Sadly, we've not seen that done since BW was cancelled.
You do realize that in those examples the original storyline and characters are used only as a background? So in order of not needing to know the old history, instead of using Optimus Prime, Megatron & co. they should tell stories of for example Pyro & Clench & co. in a near future? I'd be fine with that, but it wouldn't go through casual reader who wants to see their old favourites.
 
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Old 2005-06-05, 12:45 PM   #148
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take Star Trek, for example.


This isn't the place for a huge running Trek conversation, but continuity is not something preciously regarded by Paramount. Nor by the Pocket Books Trek novels, which themselves are licensed on the basis they'll almost certainly be ignored by the wider franchise.

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if a writer is good enough, he can tell the story without having to depend on the reader knowing every issue of the UK comics
So you're expecting readers to be happy that large chunks of the cast are dead, there are Pretenders, -Masters et al running around sans explanation, Unicron has shown up twice, what remains of the cast they barely recognise unless they've read everything, there's a universe full of green and white Decepticon clones, everyone's squabbling about some guy called the Leige Maximo, Starscream has died several times and been a matrix holder, and no-one is quite sure what year most stories are set in (least of all the author)?

The UK comic (which doesn't fit cleanly with US G2, never fit cleanly with the original US comic, and often doesn't fit with itself) has inspired fifteen years of arguments, in addition to running for approaching ten years itself.

The "large chunks of the cast are dead or severely different and so much has happened" is a stumbling block to acceptance. However, the biggest stumbling block—assuming for a second that the casual buyers wants three Galvatrons and everything else they have to fork out a large sum to read about, then work out—is that Marvel own some of the rights.

Going back to what was said earlier, bringing a cast back on a whim (eg, Scorponok, Nightbeat, etc) would be very cheapening. We expect resurrections from Prime, as he's carrying something that enables it, effectively turning him into a less-leaden equivalent of Superman.

Still, I'm sure Titan would appreciate the extra business drummed up at the expense of current IDW titles.

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I can read a western without knowing any of the history of the Wild West and enjoy it. It makes it even better if the story is grounded in the facts.
I'd love to see a TF series grounded in facts—currently, Perceptor would be as smart as ALICE—except science fiction explicitly states that it'll be making the science up as it goes along. As for calling a previous assemblage of (conflicting) fiction "facts"...

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Cheers.

I'd conjecture that MM sales were therein a mix of returning ex-buyers coming back for one last hope, many spurred by having jumped from the G1 series.

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I think that by now this thread might be best continued elsewhere, so I'll copy it over to the main TF forum and close this one.

[edit]

Okay, since a locked topic in News seems to make people reluctant to come across, we'll try an old-fashioned move 'n' sticky...
 
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Old 2005-06-07, 05:49 AM   #149
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By that definition "Challenge of the Go-Bots" and "Battle of the Rock Lords" is just as appropriate as a Transformers story, since those stories have all of the elements you described. It's the "I don't care what they produce, as long as they produce something" attitude that comes from some of the fans that I fear the most. It doesn't help keep any integrity to the franchise if every piece of schlock they produce is hailed as great. There should be some standard, but Hasbro doesn't care to keep any standards, so anything goes.
I agree with you on your first statment, the elements I described are in a lot of other series as weel. That fits more labbeled as a concept. I got to thinking about it more, looked at some episodes and comics and the game and realized something. Transformers has no true essence. The old cartoon and comics were simply an advertising capaign for the toys. Thats what drove it forward. Yu talk about the franchise keeping its integrity when infact it has none. Dont get me wrong, I love the stories and charachters, but just once I would like to see a Transformers comic that isnt plauged by the necessity to introduce new charachters every issue. This is the cold hard truth Transformers fans have to face with G1. Beast Wars utilized a very small amout of charachters from the toy line, but it was great because it used those charachters to their full potential. G1 tossed charachters to the side to make way for more every two or three issues.

In any case there will be one of two things hapen with this new series:

1. It could be the best Transformers story since Beast Wars. Transformers Fans will support and Love it. It creates an intrest in Transformers beyond existing fans, and gives the brand some respectability.

2. Its terrible and Transformers fans hate it and IDW cancells the line and another publisher picks up the rights and we go through all of this again and again every two or three years.

Oh and by the way, Star Trek is CRAP!!!!
 
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Old 2005-06-09, 03:21 AM   #150
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In any case there will be one of two things hapen with this new series:

1. It could be the best Transformers story since Beast Wars. Transformers Fans will support and Love it. It creates an intrest in Transformers beyond existing fans, and gives the brand some respectability.

2. It's terrible and Transformers fans hate it and IDW cancels the line and another publisher picks up the rights and we go through all of this again and again every two or three years.

3. The 6 part series is generally well received, apart from the usual amount of fan bitching that accompanies any departure from the 20 year-old children's cartoon. IDW then follows up with a 6 part Beast Wars series, which takes them into the beginning of 2007.

After which they will be able to produce an ongoing re-imagined G1 series following on from the (hopefully) hit movie of November 2006.

Just a thought.
 

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