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Old 2007-03-06, 08:22 PM   #21
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(instead of just spewing out some crap joke about coconuts)
Coconut joke? This wouldn't be a Monty Python reference...would it?
 
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Old 2007-03-07, 01:12 PM   #22
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This wouldn't be a Monty Python reference...would it?
How do you know so much about swallows Denyer ?


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So the argument at hand is about ideological short-sightedness being intended by god, yea ?
 
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Old 2007-03-09, 02:35 PM   #23
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I want to bring attention to a friendly scuffle that Galvatron91, Denyer, and I had in the following topic (starting from Galvatron91's second post):

http://tfarchive.com/community/showt...threadid=37667

I thought Denyer was poking fun at Galvatron91 as to which "god of his" was he talking to. Then I tried to point out that its very easy to end up with couples (Father and Son), trios, and female compliments.

I think the Quran's way of handling this is terrific. Unity of God proclaimed while refering heavily to 99 of His most important names. Verses 22-24 of the following Surah incorprates many of these names, and I think verse 24 champions evolution:

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_isl...l/surah59.html
 

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Old 2007-03-09, 03:39 PM   #24
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I thought Denyer was poking fun at Galvatron91 as to which "god of his" was he talking to.
Nah, whether Jets or Slarti. Sometimes a cigar, and all that...

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the argument at hand is about ideological short-sightedness being intended by god
Well, some would argue that there's a great deceiver "responsible" for that (recursion and the deliberate creation of this adversary rarely seem to factor into the arguments.)

And that if dolphins are so clever, why don't they run for presidency, etc.

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I think verse 24 champions evolution:
Possibly, although given that, to pick an example, a notable minority of the human race have managed to tease "wa antum saamidoon" into a prohibition against instrumental music, attempts to extract direct relevance to modern thought / science / situations from ancient texts seems a bit of a hiding to nothing to me, personally... sure, the sociological enquiry carries across in a lot of cases, but using them as a lens through which to view a world centuries on?
 
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Old 2007-03-09, 05:23 PM   #25
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Scripture tends to decay and there are certainly rancid renderings of the Quran out there. Science is concerned more with truth and scripture more with morality, while both inherently come across the beautiful. I think that in order to go for the good, the true, and the beautiful, both science and scripture need to be persued.

Euclid's Elements is timeless for the mathematical truths that it contains. The Quran is timeless, I would say, for the way it talks about mundane duties (help the wayfarer) while also discussing God.
 
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Old 2007-03-09, 05:55 PM   #26
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I think that in order to go for the good, the true, and the beautiful, both science and scripture need to be persued.
Taking "scripture" to be "instructional / inspirational stories" I'd agree. Which stories a person chooses as important and to pass on often defines them, even if it's just analogy and leading by example. They're our monuments more durable than bronze.

Would disagree there needs to be a god figure behind them. Buddhism gets along fine without concepts such as soteriology.
 
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