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Old 2007-04-26, 11:47 AM   #21
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Raw energon alone might not be sufficient to make Transformers freak out, at least not permanently. There could be another element in the mix.
Sure it is, that same raw energy is "distilled and refined" into an "elemental catalyst" (this is taken straight from Shockwave's flashing, yellow eye), which, and this part was rather vague I must confess, becomes potent when it is exposed to specific geological elements. Basically, Ore-13 is energon with a kick. Something like that.

Now also take into account, that at this point in Cybertronian history, as far as IDW is concerned anyway, all of Cybertron's resources have been depleted, including energon, which is a supposedly a naturally occurring phenomenon exclusive to Cybertron. In order to survive, Transformers used substitutes to sustain themselves (see Escalation #1), since there is no longer any available energon - let alone raw energon with a kick. May explain the affect that this ore has on Transformers.
 

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Old 2007-04-26, 02:11 PM   #22
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Energon itself is very mysterious. I think that it breaks the fundamental law of entropy whereby all energy should inevitably dissipate. It is either formed by unknown natural processes or by advanced technology that manipulates dimensions (possible evidence of gods at work?). In the real world, we humans currently have no idea how to make it.

I suppose that most people would presume that it is simply crystalised energy but there could be a lot of surprises lurking within those crystals or cubes. We already know that they are highly explosive when detonated. Could there also be encoded information or life-forms inside energon formations?

Another question: assuming Shockwave was acting logically and testing everything rigorously for safety, why did he make this 'Ore-13' that makes Transformers behave dangerously and erratically? Was there an ulterior motive for this? Does he want the Transformers to behave this way, for some reason? Ponder, ponder, [strokes chin]...
 
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Old 2007-04-26, 04:40 PM   #23
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It is either formed by unknown natural processes or by advanced technology that manipulates dimensions (possible evidence of gods at work?). In the real world, we humans currently have no idea how to make it.
Or as you say just plain old advanced technology, i mean we're talking about sentient robots capable of interstellar travel, no evidence at all for bringing Gods into it.

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Another question: assuming Shockwave was acting logically and testing everything rigorously for safety, why did he make this 'Ore-13' that makes Transformers behave dangerously and erratically? Was there an ulterior motive for this? Does he want the Transformers to behave this way, for some reason? Ponder, ponder, [strokes chin]...
Or perhaps its an side effect that he hadn't either encountered before or had any reason to expect.
Also is there any evidence of the Ore, corrupting them (don;t know what they were like before they used, as for Megs' well maybe he's changed since Stormbringer - theory nicked from comics forum).?
 

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Old 2007-04-27, 12:53 AM   #24
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Another question: assuming Shockwave was acting logically and testing everything rigorously for safety, why did he make this 'Ore-13' that makes Transformers behave dangerously and erratically? Was there an ulterior motive for this? Does he want the Transformers to behave this way, for some reason? Ponder, ponder, [strokes chin]...
He was expected to be around and functional in order to monitor the process, not entombed beneath a volcano...
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 10:54 AM   #25
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According to Spotlight: Shockwave, p. 1, Shockwave had about 600,000 meta cycles to get his energon project in order. This sounds like a long time but who knows what a 'meta cycle' is?
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 11:09 AM   #26
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According to Spotlight: Shockwave, p. 1, Shockwave had about 600,000 meta cycles to get his energon project in order. This sounds like a long time but who knows what a 'meta cycle' is?
i think this guy does: http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/view...hp?p=3419#3419

so 600,000 meta cycles is 650,000 years
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 11:12 AM   #27
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I have been enjoying the IDWverse, but clearly not as much as you people have.

You're makingmy head spin with all this deep thought on energon, but it is a bit of an eye opener.
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 11:15 AM   #28
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According to Spotlight: Shockwave, p. 1, Shockwave had about 600,000 meta cycles to get his energon project in order. This sounds like a long time but who knows what a 'meta cycle' is?
In above mentioned Spotlight issue Shockwave went to inject somekind of catalyst (can't bother to check what it was called) to that energon seeding on Earth and on other planets as well. One could safely suppose that it was the most critical moment of his project and that he was planning to keep an eye on the process, but couldn't because he and Dynobots were deactivated.

A side note, has it been mentioned if Earth was the first and therefore only place he managed to inject the catalyst?
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 12:22 PM   #29
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I think that Transformers have been experimenting with energon for an extremely long time, so Shockwave's project didn't start from scratch - he built on the work of many others. The key difference was to establish energon stockpiles on alien worlds with different conditions. Previously, Transformers took all their energon rations from Cybertron when they went on space missions - like taking packed lunches!
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 01:51 PM   #30
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Also is there any evidence of the Ore, corrupting them
No, but OP mentions that Megatron doesn't seem like himself and IIRC Megatron mentioned Starscream being more arrogant. Starscream was the only one getting full dose of Ore-13, the other Decepticons didn't and they backed down when Megatron confronted them, Starscream didn't. Still,IMHO it's just a theory so far.

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I think that Transformers have been experimenting with energon for an extremely long time, so Shockwave's project didn't start from scratch - he built on the work of many others.The key difference was to establish energon stockpiles on alien worlds with different conditions. Previously, Transformers took all their energon rations from Cybertron when they went on space missions - like taking packed lunches!
And your theory is supported by what? Shockwave's inner monologue hints that he's doing something completely new and of which he's not certain it'll be succesful.
 
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Old 2007-04-27, 03:46 PM   #31
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Humans have been experimenting with their foodstuffs for many thousands of years, through selective breeding of crops and livestock. This was done to increase yields and quality. It would be very odd if the much more advanced Transformers did not do the equivalent with energon and other fuel sources.
 
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