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Old 2007-10-21, 05:42 AM   #1
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Default As requested by Inflatable Dalek, taking it outside: Transformers Reproduction.

Now then, in response to me reponding to his post about how there's nothing in Transformers canon, Tramp wrote:

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Damolisher, canon also states that the use of the matrix, and Vector Sigma, in fact the use of factory built protoforms at all, is not the only method of creating new Tranformer life. In other words, they do have the capability to create new life without building them in a factory, and without imbuing said protoforms with a spark. That too is stated in canon. Now, in the Marvel continuity, that other method was asexual; specifically, budding. There were not females at all in the Marvel continuity. In the cartoon and every other continuity, there are females and males. There are genders, romance, courtship, marriage, families, children. That points to the "other potental methods" of creating new transformer life being some form of sexual reproduction.
Now, apart from once again not admitting he's wrong, because he's ignored the fact he said nothing in canon shows that Transformers don't have sex, (The part about how they're robots would be pretty good evidence, which Tramp likes to ignore, because he likes to pretend machines have sex without concrete evidence, or without a statement.) Tramp has once again given nothing but hearsay. Because something MAY be there doesn't mean it is. We're told in not only the G1 Cartoon, but in the Marvel G1 comic Transformers are made by Matrix or Vector Sigma. As he's been told on both sites he's been banned fro, Dreamwave's MTMTE only applies to Dreamwave's continuity, not cartoon or comic continuites. Sadly, Tramp doesn't like this fact, and tries to ignore everything from other continuites unless it helps him. He likes to cherry pick.

Only a fool would believe robots have sex to reproduce, especially when we've seen how they're created in the first place. Everyone of Tramps' so-called arguments is, and has been easily refuted, so if anyone who actually believes his ridiculous one-legged-man-in-arse-kicking-contest evidence, feel free to add fresh ideas which haven't been debunked by every man and his dog. I mean, Tramp lieks to thumb his 7 criterium for life at eveything, and say Transformers couldn't be called lifeforms without it, but hey, Fire and clouds meet all 7 criteria and AREN'T classed as alive. Transformers are artificial lifeforms, and they don't breathe, either, so they only meet FIVE of the criterium. Unless Tramp wants to tell us they magically breathe, as well.
 
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Old 2007-10-21, 09:58 AM   #2
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Cloudburst did the nasty! Or at least thought about it....
 

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Old 2007-10-21, 03:02 PM   #3
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Default Re: As requested by Inflatable Dalek, taking it outside: Transformers Reproduction.

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(The part about how they're robots would be pretty good evidence, which Tramp likes to ignore, because he likes to pretend machines have sex without concrete evidence, or without a statement.) Only a fool would believe robots have sex to reproduce, especially when we've seen how they're created in the first place.
But aren't they also aliens?
 


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Old 2007-10-21, 03:57 PM   #4
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I think people wanting TF to have some sexual component may bolster their argument with the old: "The absence of evidince is not the evidince of absense." argument.

I guess that works about as well for them as if does for theist or strict materialist when it comes to abiogenesis.

In any case, it all comes down to philosophical statements at best or fantasies at worst.

We have to deal with feminine TFs as a matter of course simply because they appear in various cartoons or comics. Some of these are even more girly than others (what's with that one Decepticon babe in Cybertron? Did she miss the casting call for the Tenchi series? ).

I would also point out that the inclusion of Wheelie, presented as a child (granted a psychotic one with some significant issues), is also a problem since mystery boy is never explained (beyond the writers apparently thinking that Daniel wouldn't have the same draw as Spike did in G1, so they may have added Wheelie to hedge their bets).

Then there is the OTHER problem with TF:TM ... Lithone is populated by obvious child-bots.

Now, there are OTHER explanations for these besides those that would earn a XXX rating, but these would usually require thinking outside of the box.

I would, however, point out one thing: if Wheelie were somehow a child with parents, the way that the Autobots treat him should clearly indicate that (despite years of exposure to Humans) they still have no clear concept of what a child is and is not. They haul Wheelie off into combat zones just as they once took Spike etc. So, and here's the rub for those who want TF's to be really sexual, it should be obvious that not knowing about children means that they don't know about what it takes to make children even if its possible to make them THAT way.

So I would opine that the "Evidince of Abstinence is the evidince of absence."
 

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Old 2007-10-21, 04:47 PM   #5
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Wasn't this discussion locked once already?

We lock them for a reason. Don't start a new one please.
 
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