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Old 2015-04-30, 09:15 PM   #21
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How did Brainstorm get let back into Swerve's? Surely he's not the forgiving type?
When his bar's been so empty for so long, I don't think he's in any position to turn away any customer.

I definitely enjoyed this issue. Nothing world-shattering happened for once, which meant that the characters had a lot more room to breathe than in the previous issues. The focus on Ratchet was nice but we also got some good moments for Magnus, Nautica and several other members of the crew, in addition to another reminder of just how much of a gutless piece of garbage Brianstorm is (seriously, he can't even betray people properly!) Unfortunately, like dalek says it's somewhat undone by the knowledge of where Ratchet, First Aid and Mirage are headed.

The fandom reaction to this one surprised me, though. The histrionics surrounding Getaway are a bit much, with some people practically accusing him of being a child molester trying to "steal" Tailgate from Cyclonus. I miss the days when the shippers in this fandom were a tiny minority of perverts that the majority could just ignore, instead of there being so many of them that their creepy ideas are widespread enough to hijack the discussion of plot points. In the old days, we would have been able to look at this scene for what it (hopefully) is: a shady intelligence agent buttering up a vulnerable person using textbook psychological manipulation techniques for unknown but obviously-evil ends.

(Personally I think Tyrest broke Getaway during the months of brutal interrogation and now he's trying to get revenge on the little runt who foiled his master's plan.)

I'm also stunned by the sheer number of people who are saying that Brainstorm and Rewind did nothing wrong and Whirl is the one who should be on trial for the horrible crime of saving someone's life. He's a freaking hero! And I don't want to hear any "he condemned billions of people to die with his actions!" Because all those people are already dead, and changing history so that they're not is only going to condemn a whole different set of people to die (or, as is the case with many of the book's cast, to have never lived to begin with).

Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?
 
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Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?
Yeah, they are playing favourites and making it up as they go along.
 
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Old 2015-05-01, 04:41 PM   #23
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I will concede that it exists but you'll never convince me that it matters.
It matters as a lesson that we must never forget how bad things were and how bad they could get again.

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When his bar's been so empty for so long, I don't think he's in any position to turn away any customer.
Desperate enough to not want the patrons who were driven out by Brainstorm poisoning them to see Brainstrom just sitting there in the bar surely? It's not even as if he's in there when business is bad.

Brainstorm just being able to go in there for a drink casually just makes all the dirty looks (and occasional gun pulled on him) the non-Decepticon Cyclonus has had to put up with seem even more unfair.

I did love the idea of Megatron's poetry reading driving everyone out. And as a former terrible villain forced into cahoots with the good guys but who really just wants his bad poetry appreciated... He's basically Spike from offa Buffy isn't he?

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The fandom reaction to this one surprised me, though. The histrionics surrounding Getaway are a bit much, with some people practically accusing him of being a child molester trying to "steal" Tailgate from Cyclonus. I miss the days when the shippers in this fandom were a tiny minority of perverts that the majority could just ignore, instead of there being so many of them that their creepy ideas are widespread enough to hijack the discussion of plot points. In the old days, we would have been able to look at this scene for what it (hopefully) is: a shady intelligence agent buttering up a vulnerable person using textbook psychological manipulation techniques for unknown but obviously-evil ends.
I don't think finding a creepy sexual element to their scenes is out of whack (though it's clearly not child molestation), even if you go with your reading of it, agents manipulating people do traditioanlly use sex as a tool and with Roberts having brought an (at the very least an analogy of) sexuality to the series it's hard not to read it as a honey trap scene. And the way he's shoving drinks down Tailgate's throat after he wants to stop is pure creepy boyfriend territory.

The debate comes from whether it's a valid story direction. I'd say yes-assuming a decent payoff- but it's being very drawn out.

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I'm also stunned by the sheer number of people who are saying that Brainstorm and Rewind did nothing wrong and Whirl is the one who should be on trial for the horrible crime of saving someone's life. He's a freaking hero! And I don't want to hear any "he condemned billions of people to die with his actions!" Because all those people are already dead, and changing history so that they're not is only going to condemn a whole different set of people to die (or, as is the case with many of the book's cast, to have never lived to begin with).
I feel lucky I don't browse the other boards. That's... just stupid. But probably fueled on by the book's attempt to try and make Brainstorm not be a villain here.

I mean, I just don't buy the idea Ratchet uses to bring Nautica (one good point McFeely made on the Underbase podcast, she's actually a quantum engineer. Where was she during the quantum engine based time travel shenanigans? She'd have been a safer pair of hands running it than Perceptor) around that Brainstorm was being "Selfless" in doing something that would kill him as well.

I mean, if he'd gone around the ship with a gun and shot every made to order Autobot aboard in the head before committing suicide, no one would claim that was a selfless act. His plan was basically a really elaborate and over the top way of doing that.

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Also, how the hell is Chromedome's word enough to let Rewind wriggle off the hook? They're married, there's no way in hell that Domey can provide a sound medical diagnosis. Shouldn't they have at least sent him to Rung?
See, if his defence had been "this court is biased to hell", it would have worked. But instead, other than briefly trying to get his defence counsel's husband on the dock as well, he just goes for the unrepentant bastard defence. And it works.

Two thoughts:

From the way the comic draws attention to it, how clean Meagtron's room is will turn out to Be Significant.

From the way he's very carefully not named, Chromedome's Decepticon handler will Be Significant.

Why were all the witnesses present for the hearing when none of them were called (or was there a time jump I missed)?

I think the problem is, the season kicked off with a big trial. So the obvious thing of doing a big trial for Brainstorm is avoided, creating a really odd sequence as it tries to try and prevent repetition.

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Old 2015-05-03, 10:00 AM   #24
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I loved the artwork in this. What’s best is that it mimics Milne’s style whilst also having a good portion of its own. Its the first time I’ve ever totally taken to an artist on this comic who isn’t Milne or Roche, which in turn might suggest…. might, that its a bit too safe?

I know that sounds stupid, but I really have grown an appreciation for that guy who drew the Rewind eulogy issue. He really knew how to do eyes, angles and intensity.

But in this issue, the art is superb, and it works perfectly with the colourist (la Fuente?). The two seem a perfect fit.

Not much to say about the story, which I hope comes across as very high praise because I think this will be a slow burner that needs a lot re-reading. The only issue I have at the moment is that Ratchet mentions he wants to talk to everyone who is important in his eyes before he leaves, and one of those people is Nautica, who I don’t think he’s ever spoken to, on panel. So I found that a bit jarring.

I liked Brainstorm’s joke about Rung being a Decepticon, because behind every joke there is a half-truth, and I feel that must be especially so when it comes from someone like Brainstorm.

Ten; I never really remember him. Are these Legislators all different sizes? Because the two Skids fought in the second issue were massive. Ten barely comes up to Magnus’ shoulders (his normal shoulders, not the massive white pylons that sit above them).

Very scary as well that Ten has a consciousness, taste, creative streak and whatnot. The way Tyrest went on about them suggested they were little more than computers following an instruction, so where has Ten’s consciousness come from? This feels a bit like when Centurion suddenly acquired his own personality and the Professor Morris angle was done away with.

Really like Warcry’s suggestion of Getaway being a mole for Tyrest. No-one ever questioned his coming aboard the Lost Light, especially once he’d free’d them from the cell. It would certainly be a way for Tyrest to knew everything that’s going on on board. The other thing that interests me about Getaway is that he and Skids seem to have nothing to do with each other. I wouldn’t write that off as effects of the Nudge gun, there’s either something more than that, or we’re due a sequence between the two.
 



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Old 2015-05-03, 05:39 PM   #25
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WHEN WILL XAARON SPEAK?
If you're very good then MAYBE in issue #80 he'll get a page to himself.

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From the way he's very carefully not named, Chromedome's Decepticon handler will Be Significant.
Yeah, that one landed with a bit of a clang. I'm guessing Banzai-tron is the obvious choice but that wouldn't be so interesting. Also, what the hell has Banzai-Tron been up to the whole time? If he's talking to ALL Brainstorm then he must have got out of that ditch that Arcee left him in.

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I liked Brainstorm’s joke about Rung being a Decepticon, because behind every joke there is a half-truth, and I feel that must be especially so when it comes from someone like Brainstorm.
Now that you mention it... that is kind of an odd panel...

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Really like Warcry’s suggestion of Getaway being a mole for Tyrest. No-one ever questioned his coming aboard the Lost Light, especially once he’d free’d them from the cell. It would certainly be a way for Tyrest to knew everything that’s going on on board. The other thing that interests me about Getaway is that he and Skids seem to have nothing to do with each other. I wouldn’t write that off as effects of the Nudge gun, there’s either something more than that, or we’re due a sequence between the two.
I dunno - it doesn't add up for him to be Tyrest's creature. He nearly had his spark snuffed out by the guy, after all. Something's definitely up between him and Skids though. You're right that there's no evidence yet of them liking each other at all. On the other hand...

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The only issue I have at the moment is that Ratchet mentions he wants to talk to everyone who is important in his eyes before he leaves, and one of those people is Nautica, who I don’t think he’s ever spoken to, on panel. So I found that a bit jarring.
Anyone can be friends off-panel!
 
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Took me a while to write in this -after- the issue and expand on some points...

IDW are guilty of doing the same cr@p almost twice in a row---namely, having a series come out [real-world chronologically speaking] months before the actual event is referenced in the comic books. I think this took out most of the reading pleasure you'd otherwise get from this issue.

You don't feel bad for Ratchet, you don't feel anxious for Ratchet, you don't have any impending sense of dread for Ratchet...because you read what he went on to do months ago. Wanna say a year ago, but that's not accurate. Kind of similar situation with Punishment and RID.

Despite this inconsistency I enjoyed the issue. It reads like a quiet-down and recharge your batteries issue, especially after the non-stop onslaught of S2 so far. Barring issue 39 which focused on different bots, issues 28-38 were one big non-stop adventure.

Unfortunately, due to the release schedule, some of the issue's main points were given away earlier this month or even invalidated right away.

First Aid, congrats, you have become the new chief medical officer---only to "spoil" this by sending you back to Cybertron at the beginning of this month to form Defensor.

Mirage, hey, wow, new bar...but whoops, even when the preview was out, you know his bar was out of business thanks to RID coming out earlier.

Something fishy is going on with Getaway indeed---kind of reminded me of BW Dinobot, whispering the right words in the right ears in S1 of BW, only this one is sadly less likeable.


 

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Old 2015-05-03, 08:11 PM   #27
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If you're very good then MAYBE in issue #80 he'll get a page to himself.
Where, just to confuse things, he'll be written with Nightbeat's actual personality.

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I dunno - it doesn't add up for him to be Tyrest's creature. He nearly had his spark snuffed out by the guy, after all. Something's definitely up between him and Skids though. You're right that there's no evidence yet of them liking each other at all. On the other hand...
If he is working for Tyrest they must have been in contact since Remain in Light considering it would make no sense for the whole jailbreak thing to be a set up when Tyrest wasn't expecting to lose.



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Maybe that's what they were up to during Elegant Chaos?

Or perhaps it was Ratchet acting more for Brainstorm's benefit? After all, everybody loves Brainstorm, the scamp.

Hopefully at some point during his time on Cybertron we'll get a scene of First Aid going "I'm the new CMO!" only for Fixit to go "Errr... no you're not. I am. I've been doing the job for two years. Sod off Mr. Arm".
 
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Old 2015-05-03, 08:56 PM   #28
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Hopefully at some point during his time on Cybertron we'll get a scene of First Aid going "I'm the new CMO!" only for Fixit to go "Errr... no you're not. I am. I've been doing the job for two years. Sod off Mr. Arm".
First Aid flies sadly back to The Lost Light. Cue Vince Guaraldi Trio - 'Christmas Time Is Here.'
 
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Old 2015-05-03, 10:24 PM   #29
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But an off-panel friendship makes sense because it happens off panel, which is not much good for the reader. I think there must be some other reason why he favours Nautica.

Also liked the bit where Swerve referenced Kup from the '86 animated movie; "A little to the left, a little bit more". Didn't feel any revulsion towards Swerve this time either (the only time I didn't like him was at the Crewditions where he was just being a nonce).

Also, Minimus has red eyes. Did he have red eyes during Remain in Light? I thought only Decepticons had red eyes?

I'd imagine Tyrest would cover all his bases even if the chance of losing is slim. On top of that is the fact that even Tyrest is working for someone else, which has yet to be revealed!
 
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Also, Minimus has red eyes. Did he have red eyes during Remain in Light? I thought only Decepticons had red eyes?
Yes he did. The current comic books do not delve into the "blue eyes, good, red eyes, bad" category.

Skids, Hoist, Chromedome, Brainstorm have yellow eyes.
Fort Max, Trailbreaker, Minimus and possibly more have red eyes.
 

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I'm sure I remember a reference once where 'changing your optics' was shorthand for switching sides. And didn't Thunderclash remark on Drift's religious practice of changing his eyes to suit the mood?

If it is something easy to do, I figure that most Decepticons changed their eyes to Megatron's red early on and then it became a thing. Just like how everyone thinks Cyclonus is a Decepticon because he is purple. Colours are more than cosmetic to these guys!

People like Fort Max and Grimlock might be making some sort of statement by keeping their eyes red. 'Reclaim the suffix' and all that.

Now, what's up with Prime having yellow eyes in the -ation era and switching to blue around All Hail Megatron?
 
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There have been two instances [penned by Roberts] where there is some significance in eye colour, but both were written with a religious attribute in mind.

First one is when Roadbuster believes Springer's eyes are matrix blue, thus compatible with the matrix [LSOTW], second is the Thunderclash incident in which he remarks that Drift is adjusting the hue of his eye colour to match the room.

Bots think Cyclonus is a con because he was with Nemesis Prime and later on Galvatron, both of which were associated with evil doings

I personally just chuck any inconsistencies in colours and art to editorial issues. Soundwave also switches between eye colours, Starscream as well.
 

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Old 2015-05-12, 09:22 PM   #33
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I loved the continual sight of Tailgate pinging into Ratchet on his BTTF2 hoverboard. It reminded me of Charlie Brown getting knocked off his pitchers mound by the baseball.

I must say though, and I don't know if this is the influence of the Cliffjumper thread or what, but MTMTE has felt a lot less necessary to me lately. I used to crave the next issue, it was so cool not only to be going down the (equivalent of) a Newsagents to get a Transformers comic again, but one as superbly written and illustrated as this. It felt vital.

But for the last handful of issues it hasn't felt that way so much. I'm not sure why as everything is fine. Apparently lots of people regard this issue as one of the best. I do like it a lot, but for me its nowhere near that. Maybe its a grower...

Maybe its because I'm still put off by Nautica & Riptide for really immature reasons (them not being toys), which I know is utterly stupid when I like Drift... Or rather, I like Drift because of his relationship with Rodimus and Ratchet.

I mean, the DJD are back and this should mean high excitement and high stakes time. But I'm put off by Nickel and Deathsaurus and his no-name crew. I'd be more than happy for the Lost Light + Megatron to Square off against Tarn and co. That's as dangerous as it gets.

But I also want resolution for Skids, the Necrobot, the Scavengers, backstory on Ambulon, Red Alert & Fort Max (with guns in his legs and everything), Chromedome's nefarious meddlings with everyone, Rung and for Drift to return. Oh, and Springer, Roadbuster, Overlord, Pharma, whoever's pulling Tyrest's strings and the other dodgy geezers on the Lost Light are just as dangerous to the known cast as any errant Decepticons; referring here to Smokescreen, Sunstreaker, Atomizer...

Top of my list would be Skids, but I've a feeling he's deeply connected to at least two different storylines that would need a lot of unravelling from other characters.
 
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Also, is Ore still partly sticking out of the Quantum engines?
 
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Nope. He poofed with the Metrotitan back in the Annual.
 
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That's interesting. He may or may not be alive then!

Incidentally, I was re-reading an issue of Remain in Light the other day and I felt really sorry for the little Medibot getting crushed by one of the Legislators; especially after Ambulon said it had taken an unusual shine to Spoke and Lockstock, who we still haven't seen!
 
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He is if the Metrotitan still is. I think the RID annual was unclear on that. No idea, haven't read it.

Yeah, I remember noticing the poor Medibot on a recent read too. Tis a shame, though I'm still more annoyed by the lack of an appearance by Ambulon's alt mode.

And since you mentioned Atomizer earlier, a though occurred to me recently regarding him and the fake list he gave to Rodimus. Everyone seems to assume Atomizer made up the list himself for whatever read, but he said it came from a 'mutual friend'. It entirely possible that person is the one who faked the list and was just using Atomizer (who may have been honest and meant well) to deliver it. Doesn't tell us anything, but gives us another angle to consider.
 
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It certainly does. Maybe its this speculation which is the extra element I've felt missing lately. Unicron, if you could just leave a tab open on your browser all day no matter where you are that'd be great, because that Atomizer comment was dynamite and instantly got the MTMTE love flowing again. I'd never even thought of that one!

Why on earth did Hyperion, first leader of The Wreckers get killed so early and pointlessly in this series? There's a chap with some serious backstory. Also reminds me of the need to see Valve, Rack n' Ruin's fate, and whether Pious Maximus is painting serene landscapes in a home.
 
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Yeah, the speculation game has been low lately. Mostly from the horde of people tossing bits and pieces together and figuring things out early (the deal with the alternate Lost Light, that Brainy was really after Megs), but also the recent issues haven't seemed to really provide much fodder for it. Unless we're missing things...

I have to go back and compare dead Hyperion to the one shown fighting Black Shadow in that flashback. Could be one of those 'more than one guy named Prowl' things. But if they are one and same, that is indeed a bit of a waste. Though there's always ways to get into his background, Impactor showing up for story time, for one.

And I still think Pious and Fortress Maximus are connected, possibly even the same bot. Fort Max being a warborn Point One Percenter (on a good day) seems like a real oddity.
 
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The Metrotitan from the MTMTE Annual blew up real good after declaring Starscream The Chosen One in the RID Annual. Where Ore actually went was never more than speculation though, so he may be out there.






He's probably Tarn.
 
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