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Old 2015-05-17, 11:25 AM   #41
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Its mildly interesting that in our universe Minimus Ambus doesn't appear concerned at all about his missing brother. In the Galvatron Spotlight Sideswipe was incredibly concerned about Sunstreaker having gone missing, whilst Rewind has made it his life's work to find Dominus, even roping Chromedome into the search.

But Minimus isn't that fussed.

And whatever happened to Delta Magnus?
 
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Old 2015-05-17, 04:10 PM   #42
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Its mildly interesting that in our universe Minimus Ambus doesn't appear concerned at all about his missing brother. In the Galvatron Spotlight Sideswipe was incredibly concerned about Sunstreaker having gone missing, whilst Rewind has made it his life's work to find Dominus, even roping Chromedome into the search.

But Minimus isn't that fussed.

And whatever happened to Delta Magnus?
During the cell chat, I'm pretty sure Minimus referred to Dominus as 'long gone'. I'd have to go back and look to be sure, but I always assumed Minimus either knew or assumed Dominus was dead and that was that. Probably just the details of it that matter (Domey's possible involvement, maybe)

Delta Magnus... probably a casualty early-ish in the war.
 
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Old 2015-05-17, 04:21 PM   #43
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Hmm, I wonder why since the 'Magnus is Minimus' reveal that Magnus hasn't had a quiet word with Chromedome regarding the futility of a search. It must pain him just a little to know that Rewind is still conducting a search that has, perhaps, been going on for four million years.

Seeing such unwavering devotion, the only reason I can imagine why Magnus doesn't react is that he and Dominus may be one and the same. There's the tiniest argument that he has a thing for the little people (Rewind and Verity), but not THAT little (he shows no affectation for Swerve or Tailgate for example).
 
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Old 2015-05-17, 04:47 PM   #44
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Hmm, I wonder why since the 'Magnus is Minimus' reveal that Magnus hasn't had a quiet word with Chromedome regarding the futility of a search. It must pain him just a little to know that Rewind is still conducting a search that has, perhaps, been going on for four million years.

Seeing such unwavering devotion, the only reason I can imagine why Magnus doesn't react is that he and Dominus may be one and the same. There's the tiniest argument that he has a thing for the little people (Rewind and Verity), but not THAT little (he shows no affectation for Swerve or Tailgate for example).
Chromedome hasn't been carrying on the search, as far as we know. Pretty sure he said he hasn't at one point. Rewind may not have spoken of it outside of private (and it doesn't appear that he and Magnus spent time together) or at least not in a place Magnus could hear so Minimus may not even know Rewind was searching. I'd have to go back and real the cell scenes just check things.
He also couldn't just walk up to Rewind pre-Remain in Light and say something, for the risk of blowing his cover as Magnus. As for since the Minimus-is-Magnus reveal, there just hasn't been time since Rewind came back. Alt Rewind persisted, the Lost Light and everyone came back, and then it was right into Brainstorm's time-travelling brouhaha.

Minimus being Dominus (or vice versa), while plausible-ish, doesn't seem likely. We've already gotten the 'person A is actually person B' bit with Magnus. I can't see it being done again with the same character.
But maybe that's what Roberts wants us to think...
 
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Old 2015-05-17, 11:02 PM   #45
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Nah, the alt-universe has both Dominus and Minimus (and Rewind knows them both ). He's not the same bot.
 
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Old 2015-05-17, 11:04 PM   #46
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Nah, the alt-universe has both Dominus and Minimus (and Rewind knows them both ). He's not the same bot.
While I was going to point that out too, I decided not to since it's plausible that one decided to take the place of the other in our universe.
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 07:49 PM   #47
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Things that bug the hell out of me that it feels will take forever to be revealed:

- The clicker in Krok's hand.
- Red's not-actual paranoia because he was tampered with.
- Who lit up the spark field on Luna 1.
- The significance of Rung's serial number.
- The wooden robot on the Worldsweeper ship.
- Why Skids hates Misfire.
- Where is Valve (there were three reasons why a Wrecker might be expelled).

If I had to pick one it would be Krok.
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 08:00 PM   #48
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This might be an inconsistency, or me being bored but Red Alert notices Brainstorm's briefcase straight away in issue one. He asks to search it.

Brainstorm could have activated his attention deflector in the handle (something he used to hold onto the briefcase when they were all thrown into the cell during Remain in Light). Instead, he uses a special dispensation card from Rodimus (the one with the rub sign).

Why would Rodimus give Brainstorm special dispensation for anything? It doesn't appear to make much sense and I find it a little hard to believe he (Roberts) hadn't thought up the attention deflectors at this point. Its possible, I suppose... but I don't believe it.

So it was either done for the gag, and it was a good gag, or its an actual slip up.
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 09:44 PM   #49
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Things that bug the hell out of me that it feels will take forever to be revealed:

- The clicker in Krok's hand.
- Red's not-actual paranoia because he was tampered with.
- Who lit up the spark field on Luna 1.
- The significance of Rung's serial number.
- The wooden robot on the Worldsweeper ship.
- Why Skids hates Misfire.
- Where is Valve (there were three reasons why a Wrecker might be expelled).

If I had to pick one it would be Krok.
The Krok thing is an annoyance. I'm sure we'll get there sooner or later, probably when they next appear significantly.
Yeah, that's a bit of a thing. I think it's pretty clear he was an early use of injecting, which may explain his 'unbalance'.
Seems pretty obvious to me that it was Rodimus and his shattered Matrix half, though I suppose that is misdirection and it was Rung. Because reasons.
Rung's just special, that's all. How special and why, those are the questions.
The wooden robot is just another example of crazy science on that ship. I'm more annoyed by the lack of info on who owned the ship (I'm betting Scorponok)
I'm inclined to think that Skids doesn't actually hate Misfire, he just picked someone random because he really doesn't remember who his nemesis is. Though I do look forward to seeing Skids and Misfire locked in a death grip with each other when they meet.
I keep forgetting about Valve. So many other things deflecting my attention.

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This might be an inconsistency, or me being bored but Red Alert notices Brainstorm's briefcase straight away in issue one. He asks to search it.

Brainstorm could have activated his attention deflector in the handle (something he used to hold onto the briefcase when they were all thrown into the cell during Remain in Light). Instead, he uses a special dispensation card from Rodimus (the one with the rub sign).

Why would Rodimus give Brainstorm special dispensation for anything? It doesn't appear to make much sense and I find it a little hard to believe he (Roberts) hadn't thought up the attention deflectors at this point. Its possible, I suppose... but I don't believe it.

So it was either done for the gag, and it was a good gag, or its an actual slip up.
Assuming the deflector wasn't installed at a later time (which is possible, since a lot of people on the ship are aware of the briefcase. That or people know about Brainstorm's propensity for toting a briefcase from Kimia so the deflector won't work on them), it could be the deflector didn't work on Red because of his paranoia, similar to the ones in the Magnus armor not really working on Ratchet. Red's the kind of bot who would notice anything.

As for why Rodders would give Brainstorm special dispensation, he probably had to/got talked into it by Drift. Brainstorm was involved in 'Project: End in Tears', makes sense he'd get all kinds of help in deflecting official attention from his stuff and activities, just in case.
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 10:00 PM   #50
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Ah yes the Drift, Chromedome, Brainstorm (and Prowl) Overlord agreement. Yes, that makes sense.

I still think the Worldsweeper ship was Shockwave's. I can understand how it could be (and probably is) Scorponok's, but I like Shockwave much more. Where is Scorponok in the IDW verse? Is he in prison following Maximum Dinobots (which I didn't read, but I roughly know the gist of).

I'd be a little sad if it turned out that Skids didn't hate Misfire. Its such a wonderfully odd choice of nemesis I want it to be true.

Now that we're talking about the Scavengers, there was that issue about Spinister being something of a medical savant. I thought a while ago that maybe Spinister shared a link with Skids and someone else, maybe the outliers, because they all have these super special powers/gifts that no-one can explain. Chromedome is, by all accounts an uncannily good mnemosurgeon, on account that he's done loads and hasn't died from it, like his peers.
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 10:28 PM   #51
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I still think the Worldsweeper ship was Shockwave's. I can understand how it could be (and probably is) Scorponok's, but I like Shockwave much more. Where is Scorponok in the IDW verse? Is he in prison following Maximum Dinobots (which I didn't read, but I roughly know the gist of).


Now that we're talking about the Scavengers, there was that issue about Spinister being something of a medical savant. I thought a while ago that maybe Spinister shared a link with Skids and someone else, maybe the outliers, because they all have these super special powers/gifts that no-one can explain. Chromedome is, by all accounts an uncannily good mnemosurgeon, on account that he's done loads and hasn't died from it, like his peers.
Scorponok was picked up by Magnus at the end of Maximum Dinobots, just like Shockwave, so it would make sense if they both ended up on G-9. Beyond the arrest by Magnus, or at least the taking into custody of his comatose body, we know nothing of his fate. No mention of what he's up to or where he's been. Not even an acknowledgement that he might be out there somewhere.

Spinister I really don't know what to make of. I'm not sure if he's the token idiot savant, a genius who's masquerading as an idiot for some reason, or a genius rendered moronic due to deliberate action/failed experiment.
Wasn't there something about Outliers only being forged or am I remembering wrong? And hilarious idea: Misfire is an outlier, and his gift is being 'aimless'
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 10:31 PM   #52
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You might think I'm really reaching now; in the first issue when Tailgate ignites his energon cube and sends the explosion through to the planets surface that knocks Whirl offline... the sequence there is slightly odd.

It's always bugged me, Chromedome fishes him out of the hole, Tailgate sees Whirl and says in his polite Tailgate-y way; “Oh my, did I do that”?

In the very next panel the text changes font slightly and goes small as he repeats “Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm”, before panicking that Whirl is dead.

I've always wondered whether what's actually happening there is Tailgate having a sudden flashback to a previous event where he actually did kill somebody, and that's the true origin of his panicky nature.

I wonder if just maybe the person Tailgate killed was someone Getaway knew?
 
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Old 2015-05-19, 10:57 PM   #53
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You might think I'm really reaching now; in the first issue when Tailgate ignites his energon cube and sends the explosion through to the planets surface that knocks Whirl offline... the sequence there is slightly odd.

It's always bugged me, Chromedome fishes him out of the hole, Tailgate sees Whirl and says in his polite Tailgate-y way; “Oh my, did I do that”?

In the very next panel the text changes font slightly and goes small as he repeats “Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm”, before panicking that Whirl is dead.

I've always wondered whether what's actually happening there is Tailgate having a sudden flashback to a previous event where he actually did kill somebody, and that's the true origin of his panicky nature.

I wonder if just maybe the person Tailgate killed was someone Getaway knew?
Can't be. Tailgate was two weeks old when he was trapped just before the Ark-1 launch. Getaway is an MTO. Outside of wacky 'back from the dead' shenanigans, there's no possible way Tailgate could have accidently killed someone pre-trap that Getaway would have known.

You may be on to something with Tailgate's panicky nature being based in a past trauma rather than him being like 2-3 years old at this point.
 
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Old 2015-05-21, 07:10 PM   #54
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I hate to drag you all back a few posts but re: Dominus and Minimus

Something I've been thinking about lately in light of this issue is how confident and self-assured Minimus was in the Functionist Universe. That makes sense given his personality and quirks and, when push finally came to shove, he was willing to turn against the Functionists even though they had a place for everyone and everyone in their place.

Perhaps in the Decepticon Universe he never felt like he was his own man, like he was in his famous brother's shadow and that was why he put so much of himself into being Ultra Magnus and why he was so ashamed to be outed?

Meanwhile, we don't really know what a 'brother' is in IDW do we? They're not branched sparks like Twin Twist and Topsin - we're told those are quite rare. They're born in batches but aren't they batches of several hundred or so? Are they just batchmates who happen to have a similar body / design from the outset? But then Dominus and Minimus are nothing alike aside from their face and guys like the seekers don't care about each other one bit. Did Rewind consider all those other cassette guys in the Functionist Universe his brothers?

We have a right to know!
 
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