[BW,BM] Beast Wars Human Sized

Transfannabeel · Post by **Transfannabeel** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:30 pm

How come in beast wars they were the sizes of humans? anyone know?

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:36 pm

No canon reason was ever given as far as I know. But BW takes place some 300 years after G1. They might have evolved their bodies somehow. I believe that a reason for the micromasters in the comic was given. Something about being smaller reducing their energy consumption or something.

Might be the same with the Beast Wars characters.

-Ss

Post by **Hound** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:45 pm

Originally posted by Sixswitch
No canon reason was ever given as far as I know. But BW takes place some 300 years after G1. They might have evolved their bodies somehow. I believe that a reason for the micromasters in the comic was given. Something about being smaller reducing their energy consumption or something.

Might be the same with the Beast Wars characters.

-Ss

Sixswitch's explanation is, I think, generally accepted as the reason for the BW Tfs being the size they were.

The actual reason probably has to do with them transforming into lifesize animals. It's not very believable that a 40' tall robot would change into a 8' tall gorilla...

Cyberman · Post by **Cyberman** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:17 pm

Didn´t they someting about a "great upgrade" in Beast Machines? That was supposed to be the conversion of Autobot to Maximal, AFAIK. So maybe that´s when they changed their size.

At that time Cybertron probably was quite low on energy too. (If the timeline of BW/BM does continue from any of the known ones)

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:47 am

Yeah, I take it that the upgrade was to make them more fuel efficient because they were no longer at war, and didn't need such huge bodies. I thikn Megs even describes the originals as "Archaic energon guzzlers," or somesuch.

Hawkeye · Post by **Hawkeye** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:04 pm

yeah i took the "archaic energon guzzlers" comment as the reason they upgraded to smaller forms to be more energy efficient.

Computron · Post by **Computron** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:04 pm

Not to mention in the Beast Wars -Wreckers comic for Botcon I think it is mentioned about teh upgrade occurng to conserve fuel. Whilst it isn't true cannon the Botcon Comic is officially sanctioned so what they state goes into the tfuniverse

Lambda prime · Post by **Lambda prime** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:44 pm

Beast wars volume one region two DVD (One with eps from The Agenda to Cutting Edge) had in history segment that the Maximals and Predacons were descended from Autobots and Decepticons and downsized.
In japanese beast wars series, the Maximals and Predacon's were 40 foot tall, and shrank to beast modes.

Darth Shrapnel · Post by **Darth Shrapnel** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:19 am

Originally posted by Lambda prime

In japanese beast wars series, the Maximals and Predacon's were 40 foot tall, and shrank to beast modes.

I don`t remember that, Lioconvoy and Convoy (Oprimus Primal) were the same size.

eternalshades · Post by **eternalshades** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:21 pm

In g1, there was a period known as the great shutdown that basically shutdown all of cybertrons forces for quite some time. one of the attempts was the micromasters to conserve fuel, and it is not unplausable in itself that a similar thing occured in the beast series.

Another guess is that they only needed the larger body design during war time, and that when peace finally occured, they tonned things down, including size.

Dead Man Wade · Post by **Dead Man Wade** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:08 pm

Originally posted by eternalshades
In g1, there was a period known as the great shutdown that basically shutdown all of cybertrons forces for quite some time.

Where did you get that?

Computron · Post by **Computron** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:15 pm

Thats dreamwave continuity and thus to be totally disregarded for being crap

basically according to DW whilst the ark crew were in stasis for 4 million yrs cyberron ran out of power basically. Its best to ignore all that though and stick with the marvle comic or ata puch the cartoon of the 80's

My general theory is that after peace was declared the Decepticons were all made to downsize to a) save fuel and b) to ensure they would no longer be a threat. Withthe war over the Autobots would also have generally downsized as they would a) be looking to have a proper peace withthe Decepticons and having a "lower" culture will only build hatred and b) would be looking to conserve Cybertrons resources.

I do however believe that some transformers would of kept their original size or at least be as big as the likes of Sideswipe, Sunstreaker etc.. I think these would mainly be the leaders, the generals and robots in charge of planetry defence, a nit like the guardian robots of old and whilst they were no omega supreme size the Headmasters/ Targetmasters etc.. showed us that normal sized tfs can be powerful too and they would probably be good fighters

Dead Man Wade · Post by **Dead Man Wade** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:30 am

Originally posted by Computron
Thats dreamwave continuity and thus to be totally disregarded for being crap

That's what I figured, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt.

Orion1 · Post by **Orion1** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:58 am

What I still don't get is, G1 Megatron was a huge bot, and he could shrink down to the size of an ordinary handgun. So why couldn't Optimus Primal shrink down to the size of a gorilla?

bluekatt · Post by **bluekatt** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:23 am

Because beastwars is a continuation of G1 but primal and Megatron are not supposed to be the decendants of their G1 counterparts mereley honorarily named.
By that time Primal was basically already a micromaster so there was little need to have him scale up and down.

Orion1 · Post by **Orion1** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:24 pm

Could someone give me a rough idea of how tall Optimal Optimus was in robot mode please?

Lambda prime · Post by **Lambda prime** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:38 pm

I'd estimate 15-18 foot. Or as tall as a regular Autobot like Jazz, Ironhide, Prowl. He looks pretty tall next to Optimus in Optimal Situation.

X1 Commander · Post by **X1 Commander** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:03 pm

I think it has to do with conservation of energy, and also to weaken their overall strength. Because really, compared to their human allies, the Autobots were Gods. By reducing their size and subsequent strength to roughly superhuman levels they allowed for the humans to actually be a species to contend with. Now if the Predacons attempt to revolt, they can call for help from humans, and other species.