Matrix in G2

Post by **Warcry** » Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:32 am

Simply, HOW???
It couldn't have survived Unicon's destruction, could it?
Did the Last Autobot rebuilt it?
Or is this the biggest RetCon ever?
Sigh...it makes about as much sense as Fangry being there after Grimlock put a fist through his torso in US#80. (Boo!)
Did Furman pick up selective amnesia between these series, or what?

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:37 am

I think that it was recreated by The Last Autobot. After all, it did recreate Prime's body, so it must have done the same with the Matrix.

Post by **Warcry** » Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:47 am

That's what I think. I was hoping that there would have been some official explaination for it in one of the books.
Still, though, that doesn't tell us why all those 'Cons were rebuilt. I can see the last Autobot reviving Getaway, Hot Rod, et al, but why would he revive Fangry, or any of the other 'Cons that were killed during the fighting? Couldn't he tell the difference?

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:56 am

No, but Bludgeon said at the end of Issue 80 for the Decepticons to "gather the wounded", so maybe they weren't dead to begin with.

Death's Head · Post by **Death's Head** » Fri Aug 30, 2002 3:11 pm

Mark Stevenson (of TMUK) did a top little fanzine called 'Matrix' which recounts how Prime got a new Matrix in time for G2 from the acid wastes where the Underbase originated. Check out http://www.warwithoutend.com if you fancy ordering it, it's only 2 issues at 50p each.

Post by **Warcry** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:46 am

Originally posted by Bombshell
No, but Bludgeon said at the end of Issue 80 for the Decepticons to "gather the wounded", so maybe they weren't dead to begin with.

Fangry had a hole in his chest the size of a Battlecharger! How could he have survived?

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:45 am

Prime survived in issues 5-12 with his head being several miles away from the rest of his body...

- Torsten

Pun-3X · Post by **Pun-3X** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:57 pm

Yup, these guys take hits in different ways than we do. A hole in the chest could cut off a mass of energon pumps and polyoptic pathways, which would in turn disable the Cybertronian. But he could very well survive.

The Green Knight · Post by **The Green Knight** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:03 pm

I thought that when Prime was recreated, he was given a new matrix, so that the Transformers could carry on with Primus gone, as he intended...

Post by **Warcry** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:13 am

Originally posted by Pun-3X
Yup, these guys take hits in different ways than we do. A hole in the chest could cut off a mass of energon pumps and polyoptic pathways, which would in turn disable the Cybertronian. But he could very well survive.

Then is there any way to actually be assured that they die? Other than melting them, I mean?

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:00 am

Erase their programming. Either that or extinguish their laser core.

Post by **Warcry** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:16 am

Come to think of it,why would Bludgeon want to rebuild Fangry in the first place? Would you rebuild someone who swore at, attacked, ate, or ripped up anyone who even looked at him the wrong way? A rebellious loudmouth who hates all of his superiors is hardly a prime candidate for resurection. Then again, neither was Starscream. The only difference between the two is that Fangry could actually be a threat to his leaders!

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:48 am

Originally posted by Warcry
Then is there any way to actually be assured that they die? Other than melting them, I mean?

Aim for their heads... the heads...!

In the comics, even the headmasters seemed pretty helpless without their heads... No "transfer your programming down into your bodies..."

- Torsten

Starscreamsghost · Post by **Starscreamsghost** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 1:11 pm

Killing a TF for good's pretty damn difficult...either squash them beyond all recognition (Hardhead), melt them in something really awful (Scrounge), totally destroy their head (no one springs to mind), or just kill them in a really dramatic fashion (Scorponok, Ratchet).

Shrapnel Clone · Post by **Shrapnel Clone** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 1:44 pm

Originally posted by Starscreamsghost
totally destroy their head (no one springs to mind)

Shockwave (Brain crushed) ... One of those Jumpstarters (head totally evaporated. Think it was Topspin...).

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:51 pm

Have them blow up themselves (Hot Spot in G2).

- Torsten

Post by **Warcry** » Wed Sep 04, 2002 3:07 am

Originally posted by Starscreamsghost
totally destroy their head

Look at the second-last page of US issue 80. In the bottom-left frame, you see Bludgeon, Stranglehold, and two other cons runnin away. The one closest to the Autobots seems to be without a head. If not, he's doing a pretty good imitation.

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