In the movie, Megatron won, not Prime...

Commander Shockwav · Post by **Commander Shockwav** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:27 am

I think a lot of fans are under the impression that it was Prime who was the victor in the movie in their one on one battle.

But I don't see how that could be. Prime died. He was mortally wounded by Megatron. Megs, on the other hand, though badly beaten and near death, 'still functioned'. In fact, he was even functioning after being tossed out into space by Starscream, and was able to hold a defiant conversation with Unicron.

Now naysayers might say that Unicron kept Megs alive, but we all know the truth.

Megs beat Prime....to death!

Anyone dare to debate this?

Sociopathic Autobot · Post by **Sociopathic Autobot** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:49 am

Originally posted by Commander Shockwav
I think a lot of fans are under the impression that it was Prime who was the victor in the movie in their one on one battle.

But I don't see how that could be. Prime died. He was mortally wounded by Megatron. Megs, on the other hand, though badly beaten and near death, 'still functioned'. In fact, he was even functioning after being tossed out into space by Starscream, and was able to hold a defiant conversation with Unicron.

Now naysayers might say that Unicron kept Megs alive, but we all know the truth.

Megs beat Prime....to death!

Anyone dare to debate this?

It was Hot Rod's fault, also Prime stuck to his word =-o

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:57 am

I've no case to debate it. It's not even an argument in my belief. Prime died from his wounds, Megatron survived. It should be blatantly obvious to anybody watching.

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:13 pm

Prime died because he didn't have a decent medic to treat him thanks to Ratchett's untimely death. If only First Aid hadn't chossen that week to take his Easycruise holliday...

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:55 pm

Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Ratchett... chossen... holliday...

Sticky keys again? What have you been doing?

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu May 12, 2005 1:09 pm

Originally posted by The HeartBrend Kid
Sticky keys again? What have you been doing?

taking spelling lessons from the fallenone. I need no pity...

Random Sweep · Post by **Random Sweep** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:20 pm

Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Prime died because he didn't have a decent medic to treat him thanks to Ratchett's untimely death. If only First Aid hadn't chossen that week to take his Easycruise holliday...

So in reality Megatron didn't kill Prime.... Perceptor did!

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:30 pm

Depends which way you look at it. you could say that Prime won because he turned the tide and forced the Decepticons into a retreat.

Random Sweep · Post by **Random Sweep** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:32 pm

Only due to the fact that by incapacitating Megatron it enabled Starscream to take control, which he used to fall back to a position where he was able to remove Megatron from power.

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:50 pm

yeah it kind of depends on what kind of victory we're talking about. A victory of Goals, i.e. Prime deterring the Decepticons, or a Physical victory, in which case Megs won.

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:13 pm

I think Megs won no matter how you look at it. Autobot casualties were greater, Autobase was in ruins...

-Ss

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:37 pm

True....but the deceps nominated Starscream as their leader, thus sewing the seeds of their own destruction. There must have been more Autobots left to rebuild the city other than Blaster after Magnus and co f***d off on the shuttles. Plus Decepticon numbers werent that impressive after the battle either

Cassettacon 27 · Post by **Cassettacon 27** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:20 pm

The Decepticons truly won the fight. As for Megatron, he would have survived if it wasn't for Starscream.

Post by **Hound** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:34 pm

Bullsh*t.

Who was standing at the end of the fight?

It wasn't Megatron.

Optimus Prime didn't die. He was left unrepaired until a later time.

We've had this debate before...

Zisteau · Post by **Zisteau** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:56 pm

Prime had way too much experience to be that naive with Megs. It's his own fault he died. Any sort of 'left unrepaired' is just a badly executed retcon.

And Megatron DID survive. He just went to Hollywood and got some plastic surgery and purple dragqueen makeup.

Commander Shockwav · Post by **Commander Shockwav** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:35 pm

Originally posted by Hound
Bullsh*t.

Who was standing at the end of the fight?

It wasn't Megatron.

Optimus Prime didn't die. He was left unrepaired until a later time.

We've had this debate before...

How can you say that with a straight face?

Prime died because of Megatron. He died! He was beyond repair.

Megatron DID NOT die. He fell, but his wounds weren't fatal. He lived to fight another day.

In my book, that makes him the victor. I suppose on a moral level, Prime definitely won. But from a practical stance, he clearly lost that battle.

Knightdramon · Post by **Knightdramon** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:12 pm

Both leaders fell at the end of their battle, but Megatron was still functionning despite all his injuries. He didn't get any mortal injuries, like somebody blasting through his torso with a gun.

Prime died shortly after, whilst Megatron, had he made it to Cybertron, would be restored.

Post by **Hound** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:29 am

Originally posted by Commander Shockwav
Prime died because of Megatron. He died! He was beyond repair.

I'm sorry, say what with a straight face?

He obviously wasn't beyond repair as he was later repaired!

This isn't f*cking rocket science.

Call it a retcon. If you like, bend the facts any way you choose. It doesn't actually change the truth.

Megs blasts through Prime using Hot Rod as a shield. Megs says, "...It's over Prime." Prime says, "Never!" Then knocks the crap out of Megs and sends him flying off the ledge. End of fight.

That's the way it happened...

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:39 pm

Yeah, then Prime died, and Megatron didn't.

If I have a fight with you, and I break one of your arms, but you get the last punch in, and bloody my nose, who won the fight? Me of course.

The defence rests, your honour.

-Ss

Skywarp the Seeker · Post by **Skywarp the Seeker** » Sat May 14, 2005 4:18 pm

I always hated the uneveness of that fight. Megs clearly won. Let's analyze it.

Megs tackles Prime, sparks engulf both (minor injury to both)

Prime throws Megs against a wall (minor injury)

Megs pierces Prime's abdomen with shrapnel (major injury)

Prime right-crosses Megs (minor injury)

Megs hits Prime in his abdomen wound with a laser sword (major injury)

Prime uppercuts Megs (minor injury)

Megs kips-up and kicks Prime (minor injury)

Prime hiptosses Megs (minor injury)

Megs shoots prime two times in his abdomen wound (major injuries) and once in the chest (major injury)

Prime axehandles Megs off a ledge, who hits a wall, and then the ground (major injury)

Megs: 7 moves, 5 major injuries

Prime: 5 moves, 1 major injury

It would be safe to say that Megs F-ed Prime up. Only Prime's axehandle ended the fight at a respectable level. But still, Prime died, and Megatron kept kicking. I don't think he would have expired. The Movie showed just how tough Megs is.

Although, it's possible Prime would have won the fight had Hot Rod not interfered. Prime had the advantage, and had Hot Rod simply shouted "He's going for a gun!" Prime may have executed Megs on the spot. His injuries might also have been repairable without the laser blasts.

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