Female Transformers

ironhide_lives · Post by **ironhide_lives** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:18 am

Okay, from a marketing standpoint I can see why females were incorperated into the Transformer mythos. But from a creative standpoint are they really necessary? Personally, I like the "fembot" characters alot. I see the personal worth of both Elita-1 and Arcee, just not the practical one. This is my only complaint with them. Really, why must there be female Transformers? Obviously human's have both male & female versions so that we may breed, but we know that the Transformers don't pro-create the same way we do. So why in the Hell do they need to have females in their "reality"?

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:41 am

It's for the fanboys to fantasise about...if you were around when thefallenone was posting you'd see what i mean.

other than that i guess it's becuase girls started to become interested in the show

ironhide_lives · Post by **ironhide_lives** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:53 am

Originally posted by Prowl1984
It's for the fanboys to fantasise about...if you were around when thefallenone was posting you'd see what i mean.

other than that i guess it's becuase girls started to become interested in the show

Whatever happend to this thefallenone ? And I understand about girls becoming interested in TF (that's what I meant by "marketing standpoint"). Wayyy back when I was in 4th grade (during the prime of the original Transformers phenominon) I had a tomboy buddy (can't remember her name) who was all about Transformers and Voltron.

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:26 pm

ahh thefallenone...he amused me so. he basically went uber fanboy, had an eerie obsession with anime girls/hotrod and arcee, his spelling and grammar were appauling and he constantly used this smilie

over and over and over again... oh and he'd make some half baked comical attempt to flirt with female members of the board. last i heard he was locked in mortal combat with cliffjumper who defeated him using logic and witt thus banishing him from the boards...well either that or he got deservedly flamed so many times he just left.

Post by **Denyer** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:16 pm

Got banned for using alt IDs to circumvent suspension, and various other cumulative things...

My take on things is simple. No females. No males.

The only canonical references to sexes (rather than gendering of pronouns, etc) imply children -- eg, the Victory manga -- but, being family productions, don't actually provide evidence the "kids" aren't simply built into small bodies until they mature and gain experience.

With biomorphic spawning, Vector Sigma, matrix flames and protoforms, the notion of Transformers having a use for sexes is pretty silly IMO -- and mostly the result of a worrying number of fans wanting to f*ck/be the characters. Gendering has far more canonical basis -- whether because the Quintessons felt "female" bodies and personalities would sell better, because vestiges of that programming are still around by the time of Beast Wars, or simply because TFs mimic other races in their efforts to interact with them.

britbot · Post by **britbot** » Mon May 22, 2006 8:02 pm

ah the fallenone he was my idle

ironhide_lives · Post by **ironhide_lives** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:48 am

Originally posted by Denyer

Got banned for using alt IDs to circumvent suspension, and various other cumulative things...

My take on things is simple. No females. No males.

The only canonical references to sexes (rather than gendering of pronouns, etc) imply children -- eg, the Victory manga -- but, being family productions, don't actually provide evidence the "kids" aren't simply built into small bodies until they mature and gain experience.

With biomorphic spawning, Vector Sigma, matrix flames and protoforms, the notion of Transformers having a use for sexes is pretty silly IMO -- and mostly the result of a worrying number of fans wanting to f*ck/be the characters. Gendering has far more canonical basis -- whether because the Quintessons felt "female" bodies and personalities would sell better, because vestiges of that programming are still around by the time of Beast Wars, or simply because TFs mimic other races in their efforts to interact with them.

That last part is one of the more sound creative therories for having female Transformers that I've ever come across. It's so simple, and yet I'm pissed I never thought of it.

I've always imagined a possible way for the male & female bots to breed by taking off pieces of their sparks and combining them with one from a member of the opposite "sex", without it being sexual. The only problem with it not being sexual is that it takes the signifigant uniqeness away from the male-female bond, when it applies to pro-creation. That's where I keep getting stumped because I don't in anyway feel that the Transformers, the cybernetic lifeforms that they are, need the additon of sexual relations in any form to benefit their universe. There's enough humans in the TFU to fill that need, if ever need be.

Post by **Denyer** » Tue May 23, 2006 6:12 am

Yup. Some are very attached to the robots-bumping-uglies schtick, though:

http://forums.idwpublishing.com/cgi-bin ... 1333;st=10

Apparently there are no facts in fiction -- meaning black is white, things are held down by chewing gum rather than gravity, and it's perfectly reasonable that Prime has healthy sperm...

Oh, and anything that looks human has the same qualities.

ironhide_lives · Post by **ironhide_lives** » Tue May 23, 2006 6:39 am

Originally posted by Denyer
Yup. Some are very attached to the robots-bumping-uglies schtick, though:

http://forums.idwpublishing.com/cgi-bin ... 1333;st=10

Apparently there are no facts in fiction -- meaning black is white, things are held down by chewing gum rather than gravity, and it's perfectly reasonable that Prime has healthy sperm...

Oh, and anything that looks human has the same qualities.

Well, they can obsess all they want cause I don't think we'll ever see it played out in any medium. At least I hope not, one can never know just how far Hollywood will take an absured concept if it makes them money. Like I said, and maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I don't think that robotic sexual encounters has a place in the TFU. Of course that's only my opinion, but one I prefer to stick strongly by.

Prowl1984 · Post by **Prowl1984** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:14 pm

Originally posted by ironhide_lives
Well, they can obsess all they want cause I don't think we'll ever see it played out in any medium. At least I hope not, one can never know just how far Hollywood will take an absured concept if it makes them money. Like I said, and maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I don't think that robotic sexual encounters has a place in the TFU. Of course that's only my opinion, but one I prefer to stick strongly by.

otherwise you're no better than thefallenone.... so was he like trying to get people banned by using fake id's? i never noticed

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Tue May 23, 2006 8:04 pm

Originally posted by Prowl1984
otherwise you're no better than thefallenone.... so was he like trying to get people banned by using fake id's? i never noticed

No, he tried to get around the fact that he was banned by registering a new screen name and saying "oh, sorry, I didn't realise that being banned meant I wasn't allowed to post"

And, for the record, there's no such thing as a female Transformer. I was sat yards from Furman when I made such an assertion over a PA system and am yet to be corrected.

Irrefutable!

Mufasa Prime · Post by **Mufasa Prime** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:41 am

*Walks into thread*

Y'know, I suppose...

....Ah, screw that sh*t. I was going to make an argument against all this, but...forget it. I'm not getting mixed up in this tired war of whether they have genders or not.

However, I will make this statement:
We have female Transformers for a reason. Whether it be marketing alone or some higher purpose. To question this would be to know true insanity.

.....And "public relations" can kiss every part of my fleshy skidplate.

That is all.

*Exits, stage up*

ironhide_lives · Post by **ironhide_lives** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:51 am

"We have female Transformers for a reason. Whether it be marketing alone or some higher purpose. To question this would be to know true insanity."

Tell me about it.

Post by **Sades** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:42 am

Forget if they're female or not. I want to know if they have naughty bits.

You know.

No-no special places.

Like a battery case. You shouldn't go around touching battery cases. And licking batteries, that's a bad idea, too. Unless you like getting zapped.

... Can you tell I'm tired of this argument?

I think Unicron would win.

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:56 am

Originally posted by saysadie
I think Unicron would win.

The red or the blue one?

Post by **Sades** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:27 am

Originally posted by Brendocon
The red or the blue one?

Neither! the one that became Cyclonus. You know...

Post by **Denyer** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:29 am

Originally posted by Mufasa Prime
tired war of whether they have genders or not.

War? There aren't sexes as presented in the original series fiction. Simple as that. There isn't even the type of programming you'd expect Quints to give consumer goods, in the comics...

"What exactly is a female?"
"As far as I know, Hot Rod, it's some strange gender distinction the humans have."
--UK #234

Definitely one of the reasons I prefer the non-Quint origin. Not the story itself, but it provides fewer reasons for fans to start foaming over the subject.

Mufasa Prime · Post by **Mufasa Prime** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:39 pm

Originally posted by Denyer
War? There aren't sexes as presented in the original series fiction. Simple as that. There isn't even the type of programming you'd expect Quints to give consumer goods, in the comics...

Oh, I was disputing this. Like I said, I'd much rather stay away from a subject like this. It's just that so many people are dead-set on their mech-porn, they persist on arguing the facts into the dirt.

....Though, I would like to have an explanation that fits with the cartoon. I mean, if they can get inebriated on liquid Energon, they must have some kind of system that would mimic a humans bodily functions...

That is, not to say that the liquid Energon couldn't cause some kind of feedback/glitch/charge that merely mimics inebriation...

You have to admit, the idea of a Cybertronian's true body structure... all those....exposed....wires... it's quite... tantalizing...

And...and... the intake on some 'droids...

...*Coughs* Nevermind.

DBF · Post by **DBF** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:29 pm

What if the gender divide between transformers is a more personality type distinction as opposed to physical / reproductive? The Transformers all have familiar personality types to humans and adopt many familiar relationships between each other (friendships, "Fathers" to "Sons", all that): where as the familiar personality types can be blamed on poor character creation (rife in sciene fiction as its actually quite hard thinking of a truly alien character), if we accept that that then Gender can merely be a choice or designation for the Transformers personality, and adds a further dynamic for bonding between Transformers on a different level, say like platonic relationships between humans.
Just a theory I've been nursing.

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu May 25, 2006 3:43 pm

Originally posted by saysadie
Forget if they're female or not. I want to know if they have naughty bits.

Insert slot A into hole B?