Joe the Plumber...this is a ****ing joke, right?

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Joe the Plumber...this is a ****ing joke, right?

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I was reading an AP story yesterday published in my local paper (which leans left in case you were curious) that stated that Joe the Plumber had helped McCain push Florida to a near tie in the polls with some polls having him in the lead. Are you kidding me? This is a ****ing joke right? Joe the Plumber? The guy who got air time and came across as overtly racist, xenophobic and about as educated on current events as a 2 year old...has helped pull McCain even? McCain has now launched a tour to target all the "Joe the Plumbers" of Florida...so, the "I don't want to pay ANY taxes" crowd. When the **** is this country going to realize that you HAVE TO PAY FOR THE THINGS YOU WANT/NEED? Nobody likes paying taxes, but I'd pay more if it meant that we had healthcare provided on our behalfs...**** this "Oh...that's socialism" nonesense...IT'S COMMON SENSE and US businesses have a hard time competing against Europe and Asia because of the fact that they have that added expense. My God...I'm sorry to those of you who live in Florida, but if that state goes red again, we should just retract their right to vote...along with the majority of southern states in general...maybe have a poll question where we ask them "do you watch nascar?" and if they answer yes, we take away their ballots...hell, can we apply that to northern states as well?
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Well, his campaign has been sort of directionless in the last week or so, so I imagine McCain and the GOP are going to milk the "Joe the Plumber" line for all it's worth. And some people will look for any excuse to justify their desire to vote in a certain direction.
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"I don't think it's patriotic to pay more taxes":p

McCain is both figuratively and literally on his last legs. He is trying to squeeze in any last gimmick to dazzle the voters:eek:, who theoretically sit there with awe and wonderment.

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Speaking of taxes, we should implement a "tard tax" just to spite people like Palin who don't have enough sense to abort. Oh wait, we have that already, and it's called the lottery.

No, seriously, the Joe the Plumber stuff is some insane shit. IIRC, the McCain campaign was bitching last week about how the Obama campaign had pointed out that he's not even a licensed plumber or something and didn't have the funds to buy that business or something. The McCain campaign was crying foul for this guy's privacy being invaded, but McCain was the one who kept making a big deal about the guy.

Somewhat off-topic, there was this piece on NPR today where they were asking "normal" people in York, PA about race and the election. One woman said she thought that if Obama was elected it would be chaos (you know, dogs and cats living together?), and that black people would see it as payback time. She then went on to say that there used to be a time when a black person would have to step off of a sidewalk to let a white person pass, and that she believes that's going to happen in reverse if Obama becomes president. Of course, she precedes all of this with the statement, "Now, I'm not racist..."

Every single time someone opens with that, you know they're about to say something really racist.

In other tangential political news. This is comedy gold.
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The guy isn't even a plumber and owns backtaxes. Hey,is that fair?
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Sir Auros wrote: In other tangential political news. This is comedy gold.
I think we just found Joe the Plumber's daughter...
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What I really love is the tolerance, fairness, and understanding that the liberals show to their fellow countrymen, even when they disagree on issues. Ofter all, it's the liberal way to accept and embrace all points of view on matters, and always to show compassion and understanding.
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Do you have to be such a snarky ****? Seriously...
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Hound wrote:Do you have to be such a snarky ****? Seriously...
Oh, come on. In this thread? What's wrong with a little snark?
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TFV's got a point, and it's one I was going to make as well. For all the claims of "Nobody can tell anyone else what's right or wrong," there's an awful lot of "These people are wrong and don't deserve to vote or live" going on. And it's not just here or any one person. A whole lot of people screaming "Tolerance!" are some of the most intolerant people I know. They're just as closed minded as those they oppose, they're just pointed in a different direction. Again, I'm not attacking anyone in particular, but if you're going to claim tolerance, you can't just tolerate those you agree with.
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Is it really intolerance to not tolerate the intolerant?

I'm just saying...
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Hound wrote:Is it really intolerance to not tolerate the intolerant?

I'm just saying...
I'm just saying that you have a very convienient definition of the word 'tolerance', which basically means anyone who agrees with you on everything. This is in clear evidence here, and your own statement, Hound, is damning proof of that. Ever read Orwell?

Kinda sad and telling, really, that you lot couldn't take a single paragraph of light-hearted snark.
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Perhaps those you see as intolerant are simply not tolerating your own intolerance. Or is it just those who are loudest that decide which intolerance came first or is acceptable?
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TFVanguard wrote:I'm just saying that you have a very convienient definition of the word 'tolerance', which basically means anyone who agrees with you on everything. This is in clear evidence here, and your own statement, Hound, is damning proof of that. Ever read Orwell?

Kinda sad and telling, really, that you lot couldn't take a single paragraph of light-hearted snark.
What the **** are you talking about? What "clear evidence"? Evidence of what?

What the **** does "you lot" have to do with anything? I'm just one person.

"light-hearted" my ass...
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Notabot wrote: For all the claims of "Nobody can tell anyone else what's right or wrong,"
The older I get, the less this line (coming from anyone) makes sense. It comes down to who has the bigger spiked club.

In general, people can tell all they want -- it's whether they can enforce. The idea of moral absolutes works pretty well as an enforcement tool for some.
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Notabot wrote:Perhaps those you see as intolerant are simply not tolerating your own intolerance. Or is it just those who are loudest that decide which intolerance came first or is acceptable?
That is the biggest load of bullshit statement and you know it...

They're intolerant of me being intolerant of them being intolerant. Kind of goes with out saying. Still doesn't make their intolerance any more tolerable.

I wouldn't know who decides which intolerance came first. It's not really relevant.

Tune in later to see just how many more times we can use tolerate in one thread...
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TFVanguard wrote:What I really love is the tolerance, fairness, and understanding that the liberals show to their fellow countrymen, even when they disagree on issues. Ofter all, it's the liberal way to accept and embrace all points of view on matters, and always to show compassion and understanding.
Tolerance and fairness to what?

People who lie to try and besmirch Obama, to lessen his appeal to the masses? Whether they lie to his face, or lie about things done in his name?

Tolerance and fairness to a woman who could become POTUS when she has no real business being anywhere near that office? Who has shown she has no competence even on the small stage of a news show?

Tolerance and fairness to the retards popping up with racist bullshit and willful ignorance to the point where the candidate or the subordinates of the candidate they're planning to vote for has to pull the mic away from them and tell them to shut-up in the politest way possible.

In every situation these people don't deserver any tolerance or fairness. None. You do not tolerate liars in a election with as much at stake as this. You do not tolerate incompetence in the highest office there is, where there's the risk that they're blatant zealotism and all-around lack of knowledge will lead the country down a path that it may never recover. And you should have never. NEVER. Never tolerated the racist and willfully ignorant pricks to begin with, in fact the fact those retarded yokels still exist is proof that there isn't enough intolerance towards them.
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Simple enough to counter that one, Blaster. Where's your concern for Palin's children? Or for Cindy McCain? Where's your concerns about racism from Rev. Wright or even Obama's own words? What about your zeal for tolernace when it's Christians that are attacked on a regular basis?

And so on...

Again, your definitions of 'fairness' and 'tolerance' appear to be extremely one-sided. (To say nothing that you actually seem to be endorsing murder of people you disapprove of.)
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Notabot wrote:TFV's got a point, and it's one I was going to make as well. For all the claims of "Nobody can tell anyone else what's right or wrong," there's an awful lot of "These people are wrong and don't deserve to vote or live" going on. And it's not just here or any one person. A whole lot of people screaming "Tolerance!" are some of the most intolerant people I know. They're just as closed minded as those they oppose, they're just pointed in a different direction. Again, I'm not attacking anyone in particular, but if you're going to claim tolerance, you can't just tolerate those you agree with.

When the hell have I ever asked for tolerance for stupidity? The US is sitting on the brink of an economic disaster. We've come off 8 years of fiscal irresponsibility. And suddenly, some right wingers are screaming "intolerance" ... that's priceless. Let's review some basic economics for the country that morons like the one who induced me to right this thread started.

The top 10 percent of all US households in means of total income now earn 11.2 times what the bottom 10 percent earns. Before you spout off about me being intolerant, that's provided by the vast left-wing conspiracy known as the US Census Bureau.

The wealthiest fifth of all US households now take in 50% of all the nation's income. Go to the top 1 percent and the differences only expand.

We've witnessed CEO's gaining lavish bonuses over the past 10 years, only to watch these same companies sell off, merge, or run to the government for a bail out...funny how they want the government out of their business until they fail. Meanwhile, these same companies effectively re-wrote the bankruptcy laws a few years back, making it nearly impossible for common households to get a fresh start.

Foreclosures pile up around the country, and while some of this certainly is the fault of the individual, there is also a great deal of fault to the financial institutions that continued to push these loans. They too now seek the government's help in bailing them out.

My patience has worn thin and my tolerance for the stupidity which has run the economy into the ground is gone. I don't care what party they are...those who have allowed this to happen or worse benefitted from this, are morons and deserve their fall from grace.

This brings me to the jackoff I'm directing my rage at...someone who I will have NO tolerance for...and **** off to those who think I should. I've never tolerated stupidity, nor have I tolerated xenophobic, racist fools. If the idea of "spreading the wealth around" bothers this git, **** him. Where is the problem with us reinvesting in our nation's future? Too long, too many have profiteered, bending the rules to suit their own needs, outsourcing jobs to make a profit, while our infrastructure rots. You want tolerance for that? Kiss my white, German-Irish ass. It is time Americans make the choice, step up, give back and fix the problem or prepare to fall to the level of second-rate power. Personally, I'm for the first one...and I contribute more than my share. I have sacrificed a tremendous amount financially to be a teacher and work to help kids. I could be making a vast amount more, but rather than pursue wealth, I've chosen to give back.

Here's another alarming trend for you...the idea that these people are earning their fortunes through hard work is another lark. Most CEOs aren't Bill Gates working in his garage on something new. They start with privaledge and get access to the best schools not because they work harder or are smarter, but because they have the means and connections to get in.

So to you two trying to paint me into a box as a hypocrite, bite me...I've always been tolerant of other ideas, cultures, races and religions...especially when I don't agree. But this isn't a theory or a way of life we are disagreeing on, this is a mindset of those people who don't think they should pay to help fix the problem. I don't care if this mook paid his taxes or not...he's the same person who if he lived on the border would join one of those idiot groups who drive around the border with shotguns chasing after illegal immigrants or joining some militia in the backwoods. You want me to be tolerant of someone who clearly has some racist/xenophobic notions and lacks a basic understanding of how severe the problem this country faces is? He couldn't even comprehend that HE would get a tax cut under Obama's plan...because "damn, someday I might make 250k if I buy my boss's business." Yeah...sure...you will. Most of the best contractors I know make no where near that because they invest so much of their profit back into the business to stay competitive...they may make half that. They actually would come no where near the level they would have to worry in come because they often hire on additional workers in the busy times.

Plain and simple, America is facing a series of crises from the economy, to the environment, to infrastructure, to the war, to energy, not to mention crime is going up in several areas...take my home, Minneapolis/St. Paul for example. Schools are underfunded and the buildings are in poor repair. But hey, let's do more of the same...give tax breaks to the wealthy, run up the deficit, borrow more money from China or the Saudis and act like everything is fine and dandy...beware of the socialist boogey-man! BOO!
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TFVanguard wrote:Simple enough to counter that one, Blaster. Where's your concern for Palin's children? Or for Cindy McCain? And so on... Again, your definitions of 'fairness' and 'tolerance' appear to be extremely one-sided.
Wait, what does Cindy McCain and Palin's children have to do with whether or not we should be letting these people run the country?

Can you just stop being an idiot? Please.
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